Benidictus Cumberbatch Deck ideas? Theres the corrupt priest, n'zoth priest and theres the spell priest with c'thun, voidflayer and malygos. Note that c'thun breaks apart last so benidictus start of game effect goes first. Personally i like corrupt priest and n'zoth priest. Good cards are Circus Medic (replacement for renew and holy smite), claw machine, circus amalgam, alextraza life binder (pull her with taelan fordring and win turn 9), wandmaker, Venomous Scorpid, tourguide, Meeting Stone, mankrik, ogremancer, high inquisitor whitemane (animated broomstick), Overlord Runthak( corrupts your darkmoon dirigible and Fairground Fool), Spice Bread Baker, Rustrot Viper, Pandaren importer and kazakus golem shaper.
Pandaren importer isn't meant for a value deck like scorpid its for the "spell tribe" decks like shadow/holy priest or nature shaman, it gives you access to all the spells from the other "tribes" without ruining the decks synergy.
This 100%. PAndaren Importer is a small creature with a defensive oriented stat line that gets you spells you won't have in your Darkbishop deck. It's everything Cleric wants to make that weird archetype work early game.
@@menpower1 yeah, i remember a card Trump reviewed in on Custom HS that depending on "how high" (How many turns passed), the card had different effects (Dealing more damage) Instantly made me think of that card
@@maguc5906 i also remember that trump said about that card isn't exactly balanced the mechanic is certainly something we'll see in the future, i guess he was right
@@menpower1 I wouldn't be surprised if that's what custom hearthstone makers keep saying to themselves to feel good. Basically after 7 years, ANY card would have a high chance to look like a card made in custom hearthstone, lol.
In my limited magic experience, cycling can make JUST ABOUT ANYTHING worthwhile. It's a welcome addition and I don't fault them for aiming to be conservative at first because cycling can get absurd fast.
@@QuickSilverKitsune Face decks could also benefit from the achievment of killing people without them playing a single card and playing a serious deck.
I'm calling it now.. Tradeable will later be nerfed to be a one-time-effect.. when you trade the card, it loses the keyword, so next time you draw it you will just have the plain, playable card.
Totally gonna play midrange n'zoth priest. With Benidictus Cumberbatch and heaps of spell generation. AAECAZ/HAgrIvgOb2AOd2AP+2wP83gPH4QPq4QP54wP76AOe6wMKk7oDr7oD3swD184D1N4D4t4D9N8D+98D+OMDmusDAA==
@@averyrobinson4666 yeah i hate priest mirrors, i wish there was more support for tempo or midrange archetypes. Or even "start of game if your deck contains no spells, shuffle 5 random spells into your deck and draw this card" 3 mana 5/5 battlecry draw a spell.
@@kingjezza6567 No, Legend Stuff channel has tried the mechanic. To use the "tradeable" effect, you have drag the card on to your deck, then release it. Then the tradable card shuffled into the deck and a card will drawn. It's exactly the same manoeuvre as playing spells or minions, but instead of dragging it into the board you drag it into your deck. It's a misplay bonanza waiting to happen, just like Magnetize mechanic.
@@toreyjones5715 It's a good middle ground since discarding is more of a detriment in Hearthstone than in MtG. Hell, the best cycle deck in MtG (Jeskai cycle) relies on your cycle cards being discarded to even function.
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which also requires them to take 22 damage, and they have to keep up with all the aggro beforehand and against slower decks they might have a problem if they face opposition on the opposite board too
I can see some experimentation with the QL in dark glare warlock but trust me when I tell you that a long term win condition like this is a joke in wild lol
@@Willowisp927 If you're making a meme deck, you should already know you're making a losing gamble. Not only are they usually bad, but if they're good they'll be nerfed.
I think people are forgetting corrupt priest has shadow spell overlap and plenty of effective minions. Then there are so many minions+raise dead to discover the right holy spell. Wandmaker+scorpid+pandaren importer. Cant wait to make my shadow priest, it just seems so cool!!
I think instead of looking at it as "through hoops" it's actually really cool quest. There's a early middle and late game questline to follow with relevant rewards. Now how long until mage can cast 15 spells a turn and finish the whole quest line for 2 mana
The mage questline is def a sleeper like quest mage, it won't be broken rn, but it will become broken(most likely in wild)as soon as enough cheap spells come around as more expansions come around
Nah, its way to conditional and the payoff is really meh in wild. You can Just use mozaki for lethal spell damage instead of spending probably more Turns Casting 9 specific spells
@@BadMannerKorea yeah, but it's incredibly uninteractive causing it to be a pain to play against with any midrange deck, and the mirror's just ridiculous
its ok in aggro. nothing else. drawing the extra cards is not reliable and a % thing. Look at all the 2 mana 1/3s with strong abilitys now - they dont get played.
I feel like the demon seed will he another plate breaker, where its win condition is against control decks, but it’s mere existence will prevent a control meta
@@QuickSilverKitsune oh no, in wild? you have unleash the beast or some other 1 mana card that gives it +3 and immune to a beast, its all guna add up eventually
Pandaren Importer could be good in the new theoretical shadow priest deck, where you get to discover a spell that didn't start in your deck which let's face it, would be some of the best spells in the class since most of them wouldn't be in there because of the silly requisite of Benedictus.
I mean... it is played though. Of the 5 most played Mage decks right now, 3 of them have Deck of Lunacy. Granted, they have a lower winrate than the two decklists without Lunacy, but that's not the point here, the point is that Trump might have played constructed and run into a lot of Decks of Lunacy, thus making the logical (if false) assumption that the right way to build spell mage right now is still to include Deck of Lunacy in it.
Pretty clear you haven't touched constructed in a while if you still think spell mage is played seriously. The only thing it can beat consistently is Priest.
Peasant and Ramming Mount look strong. Peasant would be especially good in Paladin I imagine with cards like Noble Sacrifice (possibly from Sword of the Fallen), Righteous Protector, and Argent Protector.
having had the spell questline for some time now, it is actually really good, mainly because a lot of new mage cards give you fire and arcane spells out the wazoo, added with some general "discover" or get mechanics it is actually surprisingly easy to first blast the other guy with every spell 3 times, then blast them some more with extra damage.
Panderen importer has some use in that shadow priest deck you were talking about though, as if you deliberately don't put holy spells in your deck, then you can just use Importer and Scorpid to get them
I think the main point of the importer is getting cards you couldn't not add to your deck, like the Shadow priest. But the examples go further, like even decks, spiteful decks, freeze mage decks, nature/elemental shaman decks and the list goes on.
That Warlock card worries me a lot, Tickatus was an issue for a contro meta already and that new one basically wins against every control deck in fatigue :o
I was still really hoping these expansions would do something along the lines of class specs, I had my heart set on it lol, obviously an unrealistic expectation but that Shadow Priest mechanic is definitely in-line with what I was thinking of. I was hoping to see more focus on the Class identity from WoW, especially in early days, and have it be like a 1 mana quest that starts in your hand that if your deck is built a specific way or if you meet a certain goal you get to become a Fire Mage, or Enhancement Shaman, or Beast Master Hunter etc.
tradeable only works in control decks. The 1 mana tax is too much tempo loss for aggro decks. Even then if u have Fire Sale in your hand u keep it because its best early to defend life total till u have more mana to use on the stronger win condition cards.
Potentially having to draw it again potentially it could be a bit of a downside, though, unless it's a card that you want to draw late but not early (i.e. a high-cost bomb) in which case fantastic! Also doesn't have potential graveyard synergies like MTG cycling does.
@@Icameron259 i completely agree, later they might introduce the same mechanic but with a discard instead of a shuffle, and maybe they add a graveyard eventually aswell (i dont think they will though) and if they did discarded cards would go somewhere else. You cant ressurect discarded cards now so why would you then. But time will tell, hs seems to become more and more complex with time.
Comparing Heavy Plate to Shield Block makes it look amazing, because now you can keep it in your opening hand, because if you don't need it you can get the cheap redraw, but against an aggro deck you can slam the armour to delay.
I counter your darkest timeline with Gibberling Gibberling already exists and has a way more explosive effect if it manages to survive that turn one, yet it's rare for it to. It does have the difference in that you can't buff Gibberling however once you're past the first couple of turns peasant starts working more like a crappy Mana Tide totem than Gibberling anyway.
@@Suchti0352 Mage one is to slow, added with unlucky card draw (Like drawing all fire spells, but not the Others) for a small benefit of +3 permanent spell damage seems a bit under powered. Not even talking about playing certain cards in not really suitable conditions, so you get the Quest completed. Not even mentioning that you play against a other player. They will not wait till you played all your spells. Even more shitty when most times, you could just win with normal spell damage minions. Warlock one works, it gives lifesteal and is easy to complete (1 and 2 stage) with good enough reward. Completing the Third one could be challenging, but if completed could lead to new fun/meme win conditions. I Mostly talk about standard, in wild Mage quest is rather broken, since many cheap spells for the Quest exists and some good damage spells too.
Warlock quest seems insane. When you get the effect off you can otk so easily. Play ashtongue, then 2 Mo'arg, then unstable shadow blast it. Does 44 damage to opponents face. Yeah.. thats gonna be fun. Sure people think its to slow to get the quest done.. but its like people forgot stealer of souls exsists. Play him, then backfire for 3 cards that cost life. its not gonna be hard to finish at all.
But can Warlock live long enough to pull that off? You’re talking about a 7 mana combo, which can only come down after Tamsin, which can only come down after completing the quest. Which only completes if you can take 21 damage on your turn. The Questline should be mulliganed against aggro no matter what. And midrange probably kills you with Alex before you pop off. It’s only good into control, in which case you probably win the game. But still, aggro decks will keep the questline in check.
Using tradeable to look for one-of combo pieces is more like drawing 0.5 cards than 1 card, since on average half the time it'll end up above the combo piece.
I think it would not be hard to complete the "Sorcere's Gambit" Questline. Runed Orb, Runed Orb, Devolving missiles, Fire Sale, Fire Sale, Fireball, Flurry, Brain Freeze, Brain Freeze, Done. Seems not so complicated, when we take to consideration Rewards for Questline steps.
I feel like it went over trumps head that ramming mount could go on Trampling Rhino and that thing would just sit on board dealing face damage and one tapping any taunt makes face hunters turn 8 a free win for the rest of the game against druid pretty much
Vs. Mage, Druid, and Rogue, if you go first and play Peasant, you virtually force your opponent to burn their coin on a 1st turn HP. Pretty nutty, actually.
I am super pumped for a ton of cards, but I also like to look at the underrated cards a lot. I think Peasant is potentially a sleeper card. Decks with taunts, buffs, or divine shields may like Peasant. Aggro decks with lots of draw my also like Peasant. There is definitely a world where Peasant sees play, but it is going to be very meta dependent and dependent on what cards are in this and future sets. Spice Bread Baker is the epitome of an Aggro-hate card. Any class with huge hand sizes aiming for a late game strategy should at least consider this card in an aggro heavy meta. Trump makes me believe Tradeables are actually a really neat draw mechanic so now I'm excited to experiment with them!
They going to nerf that warlock questline real quick. Warlocks are used to take damage and have lots of tools to deal with it, this has no downsides, only a ridiculous upside
Playtested Spell Mage through June standard ladder. Got me through gold and had to use elemental shaman to take me to legend. Cut Lunacy for Arcanist Dawngrasp.
honestly with flight master dungar i wouldve liked something similiar to the cards whose name i forgot that has a different effect depending on the board you play on, it wouldve been nice that for each board youd have 3 flightpoint options that are different. dont get me wrong i UNDERSTAND why they didnt do that because they would have to come up with 3 effects... per board for all eternity but it wouldve still been neat
There's probably going to be an OTK deck that wins with Tamsin before they ever have to worry about fatigue. Immune while attacking is my least favorite thing in HS. Not stoked to see more of that. With a set like United in Stormwind, I really hope we get a card for Elling Trias.
Sorcerer's Gambit is to slow when you can just play discover or play Aegwynn, the Guardian and The Demon Seed needs to damage all enemies and lifesteal or it will lose to aggro and it would help the token druid problem
So the question for Pandaren Importer is do you look at it as "this gets me spells i didn't think were good enough?" or "this gets me spells I couldn't fit into my deck cause I needed other ones more or was building around one spell tribe?"
Ramming mount + Swamp King Dred seems like one of those things that's so detrimental to wild they are forced to make it not work if there's a way to cheat the combo out early
It seems like one of those meme things that are so forgettable in wild due to the bad chance of it happening plus whole spells to counter it, they didn't even care about it. Plus, I would imagine how hilarious would be if you made that thinking you're so hot and a Priest minded controlled it. Lol.
I think youre stretching the value of tradable in combo. It gets you one card closer to your combo, but it also gets you one card farther away from your combo. It is net nothing. Tradable is a control tool, and a pretty strong one.
Question about the shadow form: if you have 2 shadow forms in your deck, and you cast both, doesnt the second one upgrade your shadow form? would the same apply?
didn't didn't they punt shadowform to the hall of fame because it didn't fit with the priest class identity and now they're basically printing a better shadowform? the fuck
I think a big problem when looking at the Tradeable cards is that, unlike say Cycling in MtG or Upstart Goblin in YGO, these cards go back in the deck, which means you aren't necessarily getting closer to your wincon (in the situation of combo). That's not to say they are useless or bad but they are certainly worse in comparison to Cycling and Upstart, at least when it comes to digging for your combo.
I agree with this logic . how many times are going to just trade your tradeable and just draw it again next turn? I don’t think you ever go out of your way to trade it. It will be interesting to see how it good they are in the upcoming meta.
Yeah, Tradeable seems less about pure draw power and more about trying to find the right card for the right matchup/situation. Overall I like it, seems more balanced than generic cycling which can make OTK/combo decks really powerful (and historically we've had enough "race to the OTK" decks in HS to last a lifetime!).
You could put Pandaren Importer in Shadow Priest as an easy way to get Holy spells
Well, Wandmaker sees a lot of play. This might be an alternative to it if you are looking for more value cards.
I was thinking that too until Trump made the Scorpid comparison
@@bird3713 It does cost 33% less than scorpid and has 3 health, I think it's close to equal to wandmaker
@@Oenth21 But it lacks poison, which Trump explained is also very important. Basically nobody cares about a 1/3 played on turn 2 or 3 for it's stats.
Benidictus Cumberbatch Deck ideas?
Theres the corrupt priest, n'zoth priest and theres the spell priest with c'thun, voidflayer and malygos. Note that c'thun breaks apart last so benidictus start of game effect goes first.
Personally i like corrupt priest and n'zoth priest.
Good cards are Circus Medic (replacement for renew and holy smite), claw machine, circus amalgam, alextraza life binder (pull her with taelan fordring and win turn 9), wandmaker, Venomous Scorpid, tourguide, Meeting Stone, mankrik, ogremancer, high inquisitor whitemane (animated broomstick), Overlord Runthak( corrupts your darkmoon dirigible and Fairground Fool), Spice Bread Baker, Rustrot Viper, Pandaren importer and kazakus golem shaper.
Pandaren importer isn't meant for a value deck like scorpid its for the "spell tribe" decks like shadow/holy priest or nature shaman, it gives you access to all the spells from the other "tribes" without ruining the decks synergy.
You mean "School Spells"?
@@ryuuteimaru5858 yes thank you I didn't know the offical names so i just called them tribes
This 100%. PAndaren Importer is a small creature with a defensive oriented stat line that gets you spells you won't have in your Darkbishop deck. It's everything Cleric wants to make that weird archetype work early game.
I hadn’t thought of that but yeah that does work nicely. Good thinking.
But you could just run Scorpid.
Unless, like I said, you want to run both!
With "Against All Odds" and "Flight master" now, hearthstone is starting to feel very "Custom Hearthstone"-y
I wouldn't be surprised if custom cards are inspiring many actual cards
@@menpower1 yeah, i remember a card Trump reviewed in on Custom HS that depending on "how high" (How many turns passed), the card had different effects (Dealing more damage)
Instantly made me think of that card
@@maguc5906 i also remember that trump said about that card isn't exactly balanced the mechanic is certainly something we'll see in the future, i guess he was right
Only now?
@@menpower1 I wouldn't be surprised if that's what custom hearthstone makers keep saying to themselves to feel good.
Basically after 7 years, ANY card would have a high chance to look like a card made in custom hearthstone, lol.
In my limited magic experience, cycling can make JUST ABOUT ANYTHING worthwhile. It's a welcome addition and I don't fault them for aiming to be conservative at first because cycling can get absurd fast.
@@QuickSilverKitsune Face decks could also benefit from the achievment of killing people without them playing a single card and playing a serious deck.
I'm calling it now.. Tradeable will later be nerfed to be a one-time-effect.. when you trade the card, it loses the keyword, so next time you draw it you will just have the plain, playable card.
I arrived so fast I must be a charge minion
Rushing in with a reply.
This is a frenzy!
Ughhhhhhhh BATTLECRY
You can't hit trump it's not allowed so you should be a rush minion dude
This is a good one
i would like to point out that silver hand recruits are now literally weaker than a peasant
Calling it, darkbishop is going to be either 1 star or 5 star, there's never a middle ground with priest>_>
I think you are talking bout shaman
Totally gonna play midrange n'zoth priest. With Benidictus Cumberbatch and heaps of spell generation.
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unless theyre bringing back voidform, i dont see it working out.
Bro I'd take getting killed by shadowform all day over a 30 min game of "CREATED BY"
@@averyrobinson4666 yeah i hate priest mirrors, i wish there was more support for tempo or midrange archetypes. Or even "start of game if your deck contains no spells, shuffle 5 random spells into your deck and draw this card" 3 mana 5/5 battlecry draw a spell.
I can't wait for streamers to "misclick" and play the tradeable card instead of using the "tradeable" keyword, or vice versa.
Clearly Trump has trained himself in slow play for this very moment.
@@seeker38 Yet he'll surprise us, I'm sure
@@ryuuteimaru5858 at least once for sure.
@@kingjezza6567 No, Legend Stuff channel has tried the mechanic.
To use the "tradeable" effect, you have drag the card on to your deck, then release it. Then the tradable card shuffled into the deck and a card will drawn.
It's exactly the same manoeuvre as playing spells or minions, but instead of dragging it into the board you drag it into your deck. It's a misplay bonanza waiting to happen, just like Magnetize mechanic.
@@ryuuteimaru5858 yeah I realised that's how it's gonna work when I watched this video, so deleted my previous comment, lol
6:38 is when Trump finally slipped and called "Tradable" what it really is: Cycling.
God, I love cycling.
cycling is a good enough mechanic to keep coming back, and this appears to be a version of that balanced for Hearthstone!
My favorite sport
yeah hopefully no one puts a cardboard sign in front of these I kind of want them to work.
Technically it isn't cycling because you draw it again, but that's just semantics. Looks good.
@@toreyjones5715 It's a good middle ground since discarding is more of a detriment in Hearthstone than in MtG. Hell, the best cycle deck in MtG (Jeskai cycle) relies on your cycle cards being discarded to even function.
When some lowly common peasant is better than the worlds best fisher.
If not for that peasant's lumbering, Nat Pagle would have never gotten his beginner rod.
@@cheeto4789 workers of the world unite
Imagine the sadness from seeing turn 1 Peasant Coin Peasant and not having an answer.
This has way more typos than usual - but that's fine because of how fast this got put out. I think we all know what it means. Thanks for the quick turnaround Jens!
That outro music mash is creepy as hell.
I can already see wild being ravaged by Tamsin bloodbloom doom doom twisting any 2 mana spell
that is if they can draw and not burn those cards
which also requires them to take 22 damage, and they have to keep up with all the aggro beforehand
and against slower decks they might have a problem if they face opposition on the opposite board too
I can see some experimentation with the QL in dark glare warlock but trust me when I tell you that a long term win condition like this is a joke in wild lol
I can already see a lot of wild players crying that they tried Tamsin and lost to aggro because they spent their own life for a meme deck.
@@Willowisp927 If you're making a meme deck, you should already know you're making a losing gamble.
Not only are they usually bad, but if they're good they'll be nerfed.
can't wait to seize the means of production
More like seizing the means of deck-construction
I think people are forgetting corrupt priest has shadow spell overlap and plenty of effective minions. Then there are so many minions+raise dead to discover the right holy spell. Wandmaker+scorpid+pandaren importer. Cant wait to make my shadow priest, it just seems so cool!!
That peasant is the missing link for my [Wild] Aggro Embiggen Druid
I usually wait for the trump reviews
I think it brings the most value
Ramming Mount seems really insane in Arena
Ruins arena
@@alfu2169 Well, it cannot be drafted anymore guess they realized
Round of applause for the foreshadowing. Gotta admit, didny realise, but yeah immunity can be that gross in arena
I think instead of looking at it as "through hoops" it's actually really cool quest. There's a early middle and late game questline to follow with relevant rewards.
Now how long until mage can cast 15 spells a turn and finish the whole quest line for 2 mana
Wild-Tripple-quest-Mage incoming
The mage questline is def a sleeper like quest mage, it won't be broken rn, but it will become broken(most likely in wild)as soon as enough cheap spells come around as more expansions come around
Nah, its way to conditional and the payoff is really meh in wild. You can Just use mozaki for lethal spell damage instead of spending probably more Turns Casting 9 specific spells
this aged well lmao
@@ugriever9264 Yeah it appears to be a popular deck but it’s not as good as other top tier decks.
@@BadMannerKorea yeah, but it's incredibly uninteractive causing it to be a pain to play against with any midrange deck, and the mirror's just ridiculous
No joke, Peasant actually seems insane with buffs or against heroes without pings.
If Priest gets another 2 mana buff spell…
it’ll be good for about a day and then people will start playing Peasant in other classes instead
Absolutely not, that card is F tier dumpster trash. You can quote me on that after the expansion releases if I'm wrong.
@@Frozendude19 It's 1 mana deal with this right now or I keep getting value. That's pretty insane for most deck archetypes.
@@tevenbenn3175 speaking of bad stated cards that keeps getting value if not killed: Caravans
Case closed. Peasant is trash.
its ok in aggro. nothing else. drawing the extra cards is not reliable and a % thing.
Look at all the 2 mana 1/3s with strong abilitys now - they dont get played.
I feel like the demon seed will he another plate breaker, where its win condition is against control decks, but it’s mere existence will prevent a control meta
@Adam Cosper exactly.
Ramming mount is the amazing 3 mana card that the hunter legendary needed to draw! [Barak Kodobane]
@@QuickSilverKitsune oh no, in wild? you have unleash the beast or some other 1 mana card that gives it +3 and immune to a beast, its all guna add up eventually
Pandaren Importer could be good in the new theoretical shadow priest deck, where you get to discover a spell that didn't start in your deck which let's face it, would be some of the best spells in the class since most of them wouldn't be in there because of the silly requisite of Benedictus.
Pretty clear trump hasn't touched constructed in a while if he still thinks deck of lunacy is played in spell mage
Yikes
I mean... it is played though. Of the 5 most played Mage decks right now, 3 of them have Deck of Lunacy. Granted, they have a lower winrate than the two decklists without Lunacy, but that's not the point here, the point is that Trump might have played constructed and run into a lot of Decks of Lunacy, thus making the logical (if false) assumption that the right way to build spell mage right now is still to include Deck of Lunacy in it.
Pretty clear you haven't touched constructed in a while if you still think spell mage is played seriously. The only thing it can beat consistently is Priest.
Peasant and Ramming Mount look strong. Peasant would be especially good in Paladin I imagine with cards like Noble Sacrifice (possibly from Sword of the Fallen), Righteous Protector, and Argent Protector.
Not to mention first day at the fair having peasant as well
I dunno why, but the thing I notice the most is the typo on into on tradeable....
having had the spell questline for some time now, it is actually really good, mainly because a lot of new mage cards give you fire and arcane spells out the wazoo, added with some general "discover" or get mechanics it is actually surprisingly easy to first blast the other guy with every spell 3 times, then blast them some more with extra damage.
Panderen importer has some use in that shadow priest deck you were talking about though, as if you deliberately don't put holy spells in your deck, then you can just use Importer and Scorpid to get them
in the darkbishop deck you can use the pandaren to get holy spells so it should see play in that deck with scorpid
Pandaren Importer is probably very decent in the shadow priest deck cause it will discover you the holy spells you'll miss from the deck restriction.
"Whenever weapons got out of hand" - I see what you did there.
Playing Elekk Mount on Educated Elekk has some pretty cool flavor going.
Its elekks all the way down
That's how baby Elekks are made.
Nah, ok, I got it.
I think the main point of the importer is getting cards you couldn't not add to your deck, like the Shadow priest. But the examples go further, like even decks, spiteful decks, freeze mage decks, nature/elemental shaman decks and the list goes on.
That Warlock card worries me a lot, Tickatus was an issue for a contro meta already and that new one basically wins against every control deck in fatigue :o
I was still really hoping these expansions would do something along the lines of class specs, I had my heart set on it lol, obviously an unrealistic expectation but that Shadow Priest mechanic is definitely in-line with what I was thinking of. I was hoping to see more focus on the Class identity from WoW, especially in early days, and have it be like a 1 mana quest that starts in your hand that if your deck is built a specific way or if you meet a certain goal you get to become a Fire Mage, or Enhancement Shaman, or Beast Master Hunter etc.
Honestly feels like the HS devs have been playing a lot of WoW Classic over the last two years or so :D
Tradeable looks like a cool mechanic for only 1 mana to work, should be interesting.
tradeable only works in control decks. The 1 mana tax is too much tempo loss for aggro decks. Even then if u have Fire Sale in your hand u keep it because its best early to defend life total till u have more mana to use on the stronger win condition cards.
It's my favorite part of the expansion cycle- the Trump Reviews!
Really like that they put cycling into Hearthstone, hope to see it in more sets than this one, like discover.
Potentially having to draw it again potentially it could be a bit of a downside, though, unless it's a card that you want to draw late but not early (i.e. a high-cost bomb) in which case fantastic! Also doesn't have potential graveyard synergies like MTG cycling does.
@@Icameron259 i completely agree, later they might introduce the same mechanic but with a discard instead of a shuffle, and maybe they add a graveyard eventually aswell (i dont think they will though) and if they did discarded cards would go somewhere else. You cant ressurect discarded cards now so why would you then. But time will tell, hs seems to become more and more complex with time.
Bolas Avatar and a fan of cycling? A man of culture
Comparing Heavy Plate to Shield Block makes it look amazing, because now you can keep it in your opening hand, because if you don't need it you can get the cheap redraw, but against an aggro deck you can slam the armour to delay.
Pandaren Importer is actually a viable card in Darkbishop deck
coz now you can discover holy spells consistently
I counter your darkest timeline with Gibberling
Gibberling already exists and has a way more explosive effect if it manages to survive that turn one, yet it's rare for it to. It does have the difference in that you can't buff Gibberling however once you're past the first couple of turns peasant starts working more like a crappy Mana Tide totem than Gibberling anyway.
If everyone played druid then everyone else would be countering them and the counter to the initial counter
I swear, the flightpath thing is a such a genious idea and I love it so much
these quest things seem VERY slow, and the expansion better have cards that synergise with them, as otherwise they'll be dead on release
but the quests also gives you some additional value while completing it.
The warlock one I feel might be good enough for just stage 1 and 2. You’re gonna tap anyway and I’d totally play a 1 mana deal 6 lifesteal.
@@Suchti0352 Mage one is to slow, added with unlucky card draw (Like drawing all fire spells, but not the Others) for a small benefit of +3 permanent spell damage seems a bit under powered. Not even talking about playing certain cards in not really suitable conditions, so you get the Quest completed. Not even mentioning that you play against a other player. They will not wait till you played all your spells. Even more shitty when most times, you could just win with normal spell damage minions. Warlock one works, it gives lifesteal and is easy to complete (1 and 2 stage) with good enough reward. Completing the Third one could be challenging, but if completed could lead to new fun/meme win conditions. I Mostly talk about standard, in wild Mage quest is rather broken, since many cheap spells for the Quest exists and some good damage spells too.
Speaking of Trade mechanics, imagine trading card with friends x. x
No. All your money belong to Blizzard.
heavy plate is really nice for bomb warrior in duels.
look at the mayor very happy to see his peasant
Good to hear the Mayor of Value Town is an Alliance enthusiast!
Warlock quest seems insane. When you get the effect off you can otk so easily. Play ashtongue, then 2 Mo'arg, then unstable shadow blast it. Does 44 damage to opponents face. Yeah.. thats gonna be fun. Sure people think its to slow to get the quest done.. but its like people forgot stealer of souls exsists. Play him, then backfire for 3 cards that cost life. its not gonna be hard to finish at all.
But can Warlock live long enough to pull that off? You’re talking about a 7 mana combo, which can only come down after Tamsin, which can only come down after completing the quest. Which only completes if you can take 21 damage on your turn.
The Questline should be mulliganed against aggro no matter what. And midrange probably kills you with Alex before you pop off. It’s only good into control, in which case you probably win the game. But still, aggro decks will keep the questline in check.
Seems meme tier.
Blightborn will be amazing in those zero cards in your deck decks.
Imagine - you have finally cast 3 fire spells 3 frost spells and 3 arcane spells and your Arcanist Downgrasp is getting eaten by Mutanus.
Pandaren importer could be in the shadow priest deck to get the holy spells
Using tradeable to look for one-of combo pieces is more like drawing 0.5 cards than 1 card, since on average half the time it'll end up above the combo piece.
The Elekk Mount will not be run in any Priest deck- so you should expect to only see 3 of them played in a typical game.
I think it would not be hard to complete the "Sorcere's Gambit" Questline. Runed Orb, Runed Orb, Devolving missiles, Fire Sale, Fire Sale, Fireball, Flurry, Brain Freeze, Brain Freeze, Done. Seems not so complicated, when we take to consideration Rewards for Questline steps.
I feel like it went over trumps head that ramming mount could go on Trampling Rhino and that thing would just sit on board dealing face damage and one tapping any taunt makes face hunters turn 8 a free win for the rest of the game against druid pretty much
I'm in love with the Mailbox Dancer's artwork
Vs. Mage, Druid, and Rogue, if you go first and play Peasant, you virtually force your opponent to burn their coin on a 1st turn HP. Pretty nutty, actually.
I am super pumped for a ton of cards, but I also like to look at the underrated cards a lot.
I think Peasant is potentially a sleeper card. Decks with taunts, buffs, or divine shields may like Peasant. Aggro decks with lots of draw my also like Peasant. There is definitely a world where Peasant sees play, but it is going to be very meta dependent and dependent on what cards are in this and future sets.
Spice Bread Baker is the epitome of an Aggro-hate card. Any class with huge hand sizes aiming for a late game strategy should at least consider this card in an aggro heavy meta.
Trump makes me believe Tradeables are actually a really neat draw mechanic so now I'm excited to experiment with them!
Pandaren Importer might work for shadow decks. You had to disregard a lot of powerful priest spells and here's the chance to get some back.
Ruined Myrhril Rod with plot twist in wild sounds fun
I don’t even play hearthstone anymore. I just like watching Trump talk
Blightborn just screams self draw deck, could pair well with Nomi or Hakkar
Haven't played hearthstone in a while, but I feel that ramming mount will completely break arena.
Oh no they printed a crab for weapons in an expansion with a lot of weapons hs what are you doin
Balancing
They going to nerf that warlock questline real quick. Warlocks are used to take damage and have lots of tools to deal with it, this has no downsides, only a ridiculous upside
The nerf is a shoot or a lot of trees right into the face before they complete it.
They'll prolly die before they get it off, lol. Seems meme tier.
@Firas Yeah, sure but evaluating things based on stuff we don't know about seems moot.
@@HighLanderPonyYT right now, with no extra cards its already doable. Hero power alone can do that
@@SergioNehama Yes, technically doable. Actually good? Doubt.
In a meta where it’s more agro based it would be quite bad
-trump talking about demon seed
If only he was right
Playtested Spell Mage through June standard ladder. Got me through gold and had to use elemental shaman to take me to legend. Cut Lunacy for Arcanist Dawngrasp.
But Lunacy isn’t even good enough in spell mage anymore after the nerf
So "when it dies" ≠ deathrattle?
when it dies trigger early.
honestly with flight master dungar i wouldve liked something similiar to the cards whose name i forgot that has a different effect depending on the board you play on, it wouldve been nice that for each board youd have 3 flightpoint options that are different. dont get me wrong i UNDERSTAND why they didnt do that because they would have to come up with 3 effects... per board for all eternity but it wouldve still been neat
Tradeable should become ,,main" keyword like Rush or Taunt
The flavour of Impatient Shopkeep is so good!
trump I don't know if you heard but people are not playing deck on lunacy, the mage quest goes right in spell mage right now.
Peasant...just a better Nat Pagle. But then again, I remember a few times where Nat got a bit too excited and my hand got a bit too full for my liking
There's probably going to be an OTK deck that wins with Tamsin before they ever have to worry about fatigue.
Immune while attacking is my least favorite thing in HS. Not stoked to see more of that.
With a set like United in Stormwind, I really hope we get a card for Elling Trias.
I love the flavor on all of these! They're all so creative!
Sorcerer's Gambit is to slow when you can just play discover or play Aegwynn, the Guardian and The Demon Seed needs to damage all enemies and lifesteal or it will lose to aggro and it would help the token druid problem
So the question for Pandaren Importer is do you look at it as "this gets me spells i didn't think were good enough?" or "this gets me spells I couldn't fit into my deck cause I needed other ones more or was building around one spell tribe?"
Importer goes in the Darkbishop deck, 100%
armor tradeable is going to be fantastic in the duels bomb deck
Over thinking prismatc jewel kit, just put it in dude paladin
Peasant meta incoming.
Tamsin is just that rastakahn's rumble shrine from the solo adventure, and that wasn't busted at all...
Starting with the effect is quite different from having to enable it.
*literally any new card gets revealed*
Trump: Seems good, this is actually pretty good
Cycle for 1 mana seems OP. Its gonna make a lotta cycle cards staple in classes.
Ramming mount + Swamp King Dred seems like one of those things that's so detrimental to wild they are forced to make it not work if there's a way to cheat the combo out early
Would work great with Giant Sand Worm too.
It seems like one of those meme things that are so forgettable in wild due to the bad chance of it happening plus whole spells to counter it, they didn't even care about it.
Plus, I would imagine how hilarious would be if you made that thinking you're so hot and a Priest minded controlled it. Lol.
I don't think soul fragments will trigger the warlock weapon.
It didn't work for the quest so I don't see why it would work for this.
it does... for both (as seen in the marketing gameplay)
Man Trump I genuinely am so happy and excited whenever you review. Thank you
I think youre stretching the value of tradable in combo. It gets you one card closer to your combo, but it also gets you one card farther away from your combo. It is net nothing. Tradable is a control tool, and a pretty strong one.
i wonder if there will be a legendary that will make all the cards in your hand (or spells/minions) tradeable
Yes - Plot Twist, except it’s only the same if you only had two cards in your hand and wanted to shuffle both of them in.
/s
They are mostly already tradeable, just press disenchant to trade them for dust. They will never be back in your hand ever though.
Mailbox Dancer is perfection
Having played Wow that he's a guy and he has his clothes on is blatant misrepresentation based on what I remember.
Not a NE female.
Question about the shadow form: if you have 2 shadow forms in your deck, and you cast both, doesnt the second one upgrade your shadow form? would the same apply?
I think it worked at some point, but got "fixed". Heard it Trump saying it in one of his stream highlights
@@nairolfjeter159 omega lame
@@thecookiemeister5374 One could say it is a shadow of what it was in the past.
I can't wait to build a shadow form deck but with Scorpid and all other spell generating cards
a hunter could put ram on a low cost rush minion like lynx or broom
didn't
didn't they punt shadowform to the hall of fame because it didn't fit with the priest class identity
and now they're basically printing a better shadowform?
the fuck
It doesn't fit identity unless $$$. They're talking out of their asses.
Honestly I'm excited for Benedictus cause it's gonna add a different type of priest that isn't 100% annoying
I think a big problem when looking at the Tradeable cards is that, unlike say Cycling in MtG or Upstart Goblin in YGO, these cards go back in the deck, which means you aren't necessarily getting closer to your wincon (in the situation of combo). That's not to say they are useless or bad but they are certainly worse in comparison to Cycling and Upstart, at least when it comes to digging for your combo.
I agree with this logic . how many times are going to just trade your tradeable and just draw it again next turn?
I don’t think you ever go out of your way to trade it. It will be interesting to see how it good they are in the upcoming meta.
For me, this tradeable cards will be useful only for Control decks, no aggro or combo
Yeah, Tradeable seems less about pure draw power and more about trying to find the right card for the right matchup/situation. Overall I like it, seems more balanced than generic cycling which can make OTK/combo decks really powerful (and historically we've had enough "race to the OTK" decks in HS to last a lifetime!).
Prismatic jewel kit is gonna be so powerful in wild
where are the Stars to mansion the value of the cards this time???... well at least i did done it on my channel.
Those come later.
Always love your content and insight. You've helped me become a better player.
Thank you Mr. Mayor!!!