One of my favorite scenes from Roger Delgado: There's a moment in "The Sea Devils" where the Master mistakes clay figures in a children's show for actual aliens. When somebody points out what they really are, he chuckles good-naturedly, as if he knew that all along. The moment the other character can't see his face any more, his expression turns to annoyance. It's very subtle, but Delgado nails it perfectly.
@Mike DeMarco Well no, the on-screen narrative say she was resurrected to fight in the time war, not regenerated, which means he was brought back after the movie, so it is probably just Jacobi.
Here's my list from worst to best and everything here is deliberate. The Master is my favourite character ever. I don't count that little child, the movie Master, both without a dialogue nor the audio one. 1. Peter Pratt 1. Geoffrey Beevers 1. Eric Roberts 1. Anthony Ainley 1. John Simm 1. Derek Jacobi 1. Michelle Gomez 1. Roger Delgado
Finally a Missy fan! She's my favourite incarnation of the Master! Her personality, story arc, chemistry with Capaldi and her playfulness! She was just amazing!
I liked Missy. I just hated the fact they called her Missy. They stated that a Time-Lords name is super important so changing it didnt sit well with me.
I really didn’t care for the name, either. “The Master” is the perfect combination of threatening and cheesy. I honestly didn’t see any reason why a woman couldn’t call herself the Master except for hiding her true identity until the reveal.
jealous! I went on the day the first episode of season 8 premiered, and I was JUST half an hour too late to meet them... it was around 4 years ago, still sad about it...
I didn't meet any Doctors when I went to the experience, but I met Colin Baker, Peter Davison, Sylvester McCoy and Paul McGann on conventions in Belgium.
There is a really good Master only story, where he is stuck on earth and is picked up by UNIT and kept locked away. Geoffrey B (who by the way is/was married to the woman who played the 3rd Doctors companion Liz Shaw) is great in it, has a bit of light heartedness in it but by the end gets creepy; and his Master laugh are things nightmares are made of. If I remember right it's called Mastervault.
I agree it's a pity Derek Jacobi did not have more time as the Master because he made a very scary Master for the time he was in the roll. I also think Michelle Gomez has been brilliant as her 'Mistress' comes over as a genuine high functioning psychopath and her portrayal of the roll had been a country mile better than anyone other than the real Master, Roger Delgado, the man who scared the shit out of me as a kid! (No surprise as Jon Pertwee is my Doctor.)
yes by far the Best Two but like you I would have loved to see Jacobi's take. Delgado for me will always be the Master, I grew up with Hartnell and Troughton but the Pertwee era really got me hooked. Venusian Karate and Aikido, Bessie the Master the Silurians The Sea Devils the Draconions and Axon The Daemons and the Green death even the Weaker episodes were brilliant compared to the modern era. and each show was only half an hour with a cliffhanger and they told twice as much story the only big difference is about a Million quid, loud music, SFX loud sound FX and pretty boy Doctors that run around shouting a lot and snogging companions every five minutes! They are even worse now that this new Bloke Chibnal took over now there's all the bells and whistles and no bloody story either!
Is there a correlation between particularly deft performances of the Master and Iberian surnames? I must away and consult the Black Scrolls of Rassilon
In several of the stories Ainley tried to be menancing. I hear he did a real good job. There was one very large problem. That was Jon Nathan Turner. He refused to let Ainley be menacing . So blame the producer. He was the one who refused to let it happen. The producer had Gary-who was the floor manager and happened to be jnt partner on the floor, reporting anything or anyone who stepped out of line!
JNT really kneecapped every aspect of the series ughhhh I feel bad hating on him bc he was a human with feelings and it feels mean but he really fucked up the show dude
1:40 - Eric was aware who the Master was, because he spent his childhood in the U.K. However, he thought Delgado was quite campy and he himself wanted to give a much more "realistic" preformance. Personally, I think Roberts was a very scary Master and I'd love to see him again. He himself has already stated that he'd love to come back. "All they have to do, is ask."
timrob12 Well you’re wish will come true! Eric Roberts is returning as The Master for Big Finish in The diary of River Song series! Are you excited? It’s called: The four Master!
I think where his Master fell down he just wasn't menacing enough even Americans get Brits to play Villains it's the whole accent thing and training in the Theatre. When Alan Rickman was asked about how he made such an effective performance when he played Hans Gruber and the Sheriff of Nottingham he replied " My Years in Pantomime for the Royal Shakespearian Company."
Just remember, Roberts was actually the ambulance who the Master possessed and the movie forgot. Seriously, they just had him fall and die in the Eye of Harmony, while forgetting the Master had stolen the body of an innocent.
@@samuelbarber4154 That's why he works for me. Normally, I would've been sceptical of an American playing the role, but because it was through possession, it worked for me.
My list (I’m including big finish & comics) 1. The War Master 2. Delgado 3. Alex McQueen 4. Geffory Beavers (sorry if I spelt that wrong) 5. Malignant Truth Master 6. Missy 7. TV movie Master 8. John Simm 9. Anthony Ainley 10. Peter Pratt
it could be either because the zygons said there were "new rules" where they could keep using the image of a dead person. personaly I think the zygon survived but I hope the real Osgood survived.
You're saying "who The Master is" but his regenerations work the same as The Doctors. When he regenerates he is basically a different person so I think that John Simm did a really good job.
@@andrewtate4897 If you want Classic Who examples of what @KVAcedo27 means, look at the differences between the 1st and 2nd Doctors, or the 2nd and 3rd Doctors, or the 3rd and 4th, or the.... yeah. Sure there are the same themes that say consistent but they're written clearly different
8. Eric Roberts 7. Peter Pratt 6. Geoffrey Beevers 5. John Simm 4. Anthony Ainley 3. Derek Jacobi 2. Michelle Gomez 1. Roger Delgado I would say that Ainley does come across as actually menacing in Survival; definitely his best performance in the role. I really liked John Simm in Season 10; I felt he was channeling Delgado a bit there, combined with the insanity of his own performance. If we had gotten this version of Simm's master throughout, he may very well have topped the list I wish we had more Jacobi; he was fantastic. I think he appears in some audios? I have to check on that.
Aw I loved Ainley he gave a great performance in Survival and his earlier stories, it's interesting that some people think he isn't very threatening I mean he kidnapped the doctors companion Adric. The Master tortured him and forced Adric to kill The Doctor and then watch him die, Adric was 15 years old imagine if that was you. That's some scary crap, not to mention that The Master is walking around in Nyssa's fathers corpse. But I do love most of the Master's and Missy :D
Maile Makes Music she was amazing my favourite line from Missy is "move out the way because if someone kills you who's not me I'm going to be very disappointed!!!" 😂
This is the first video I watched from you, and loved it. I'm not a Classic Who fan, I've only seen bits and pieces. This totally put the Master's appearances in perspective. And yes, I LOVE Missy too. What you said about how her version of good is more like a change in alignment from chaotic evil to lawful evil is the perfect way to describe it. I'm now slowly working through all the other reviews and lists available.
Actually Erik Roberts did know who the Master was, having actually seen some of the classical episodes, during their original broadcast. He actually rang his agent to get him the role when he first got wind of the movie.
2018 UPDATE: Now Big Finish is doing a box set where River Song meets The Beevers Master, the Roberts master, the Jacobi Master, and the Gomez Missy/Master. Should be interesting! (Esp to see how much of an improvement there will be to Robert's characterization with better direction.)
In Derek Jacobi's defense though, he really never had enough time to develop his master since he was technically only the master for the first part of a three parter
A bit controversial, perhaps, but: 8) Eric Roberts, 7) John Simm; 6) Geoffrey Beevers, 5) Derek Jacobi, 4) Peter Pratt, 3) Anthony Ainley, 2) Michelle Gomez "I'm Doctor Whooooo!" and 1) Roger Delgado. Never really connected with John Simm and certainly not Eric Roberts. The Master works when there is a mixture of charisma, menace and plotting. I love the fact that Delgado's Master and Jon Pertwee's Doctor always tried to "outdo" each other, something that's lost in the new series, although the possible redemption of Missy was an interesting twist in Series 10. Always Roger Delgado for me. :)
Technically, We've Only Seen Four Versions of The Master. Rodger Delgado's Master Was on The Brink of Death and Became The Two Crispy Masters, That Same Master Stole a New Face From Someone Else, That Same Master Died in The Movie, but Possessed Someone Else to Keep Living, He Then Died (for real) at The End When he Fell into The Eye of Harmony. He was Then Resurrected With his Second Version in Season Three with Dr. Yana, he Then Died to Become his Third Version with John Simm's Master, Who Then Died to Become Missy, The Fourth Incarnation. Mind - Blown.......
"Rodger Delgado's Master Was on The Brink of Death and Became The Two Crispy Masters" According to what exactly? One random comic? If we're going by expanded universe, there's like two different sources that say otherwise, The Two Masters and Doorway To Hell. I wish people would stop saying they're the same, there's more sources saying they aren't.
It must be really exhausting to capitalize the first letter of every word in a sentence. How do you even do that? Doesn't your pinky get tired stretching to the Shift key every few seconds?
the problem I find with John Simm was there were times when his version the master comes off like a Comic Book villain like the joker. Eric Roberts dressing like doctor strange at last 20 minutes of the movie made his version the master a bit lame.
I wish they would do more with the idea of the master chasing immortality but being decayed. Sure they did the same with John Simm chasing immortality but as himself. The idea of the master being on the brink of death where he has nothing to lose and looking how he does in his decayed form is just amazingly cool to me. Would love to see it return
I love your list! Virtually identical to mine except it's a toss up between Delgado and Missy for me. I think Missy takes so much from Delgado's more serious moments and incorporates so much of his "old friends" dynamic and they're both incarnations who only attempt to kill the Doctor when necessary or as a bit of "texting" :) That being said, Delgado set the perfect precedent for all those who came after, and I think Moffat really picked that back up with Missy, even with her final death.
Brilliant ranking. Council of Geeks: "And I don't think there's ever going to be one quite as perfect as Roger Delgado" BBC: "What's Sacha Dhawan doing these days?"
Where can I get ahold of the classic doctor who's (pre-Christopher eccleston) because I have never seen any before and I'm dying to know where I can find a few seasons
Best to worst: 1) John Simm Master and Missy (like both to a similar level and they shift places between first and second, Simm is the first master as well and I sort of like his overdramatic feel and he's awesome in World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls) 2) Roger Delgado Master 3) Derek Jacobi master 4) Crispy Master (I'm counting both of them since I can't really tell the difference) 5) Anthony Ainley Master 6) Eric Roberts/TV Movie Master *Note* I'm a new who fan and have seen a fair amount of the older episodes (a majority of which I like) and I've seen all the Masters in some form on screen but since I haven't seen all the episodes each appear in don't have a go at me as, due to a lack of time and ability to find them, I haven't seen all their episodes and it's been a while since I've seen the episodes I have
There aren't many people on RUclips who can do a video this long with very little editing, while remaining very concise. Very well thought out opinions on the show, that I can say I relate to quite a bit.
I'm oddly pleased that somebody commented on the small number of edits. If you go back to my earlier stuff there's a ton more of them, so at this point I just chalk it up to 1) having done this for a while and 2) really wanting to cut down on my editing time by keeping things moving and knowing the major points I want to hit before I start.
what if Missy's death somehow affects time and causes the events of the christmas special and they end up finding out they have to save her to restore the time line?
I’ve been a super fan of Doctor Who since 1984. I’ve never really thought through ranking the Masters. I did that after seeing the title for this video but before hitting play. Our lists were identical. Thank you for a great video, and the validation that all is internet commenters are looking for.
To the best of my knowledge it’s not a specific incident. It’s just that it’s a body that should have given out long ago and he’s clinging to it no matter how bad it gets.
It's interesting you mention about the chemistry between Delgado and Pertwee and how Delgado's death had an influence on Pertwee deciding to leave the series, feeling that elusive chemistry had been lost. Because a similar situation happened with Capaldi and Gomez - when Capaldi announced he was leaving Doctor Who (along with Steven Moffatt), Gomez announced she was leaving shortly afterwards too because she felt Missy wouldn't work properly with any other Doctor. She has though acted with David Tennant since then on Big Finish.
Again, awesome video! I think I can agree with your list and reasons 100%ly. I'd rank them in the same order, though I'm not entirely sure how Ifeel about each Simm Incarnation cause I they're all a bit love/hate-ish for me. I feel like the early S3 version (while not working ass good as the other 2 overall) had better chemistry with the doctor (DT being the whole wibbly wobbly maniac in sand shoes incarnation we all love) but his later more broody desperate extremes and scheming ways are so much more true to the original... Anyways happy to see another Whovian loving Missy & the original as much as I do! :D
Kind of makes sense, S3’s story and the Master’s manic behavior was a little jarring, but End of Time he’s supposed to be a Lunatic so him acting like a lunatic is fitting
Eric Roberts had one good line, "You want me to kill you?" I can't imagine you putting Ainley below Simm. I just found Simm too manic and silly, which made him completely unthreatening. For me, the list is: Eric Roberts John Simm Geoffrey Beevers Peter Pratt Anthony Ainley Derek Jacobi Roger Delgado I can't include Michelle Gomez, because to me that's not the Master, and I really haven't seen her episodes.
I get what you're saying about Roberts and you're right. However, I just chalked up his performance to a combination of insanity, desperation, getting settled into a new body, and trauma from being killed again.
Kant that's kind of snobbish. Delgado and Missy are my faves, but don't dismiss others opinions just cuz he hasn't seen them all. Not like he said his opinion was fact or anything.
I didn't like Missy at all before series ten. I don't know if she changed or if I just didn't 'get it' before. I guess I'll have to rewatch her past appearances to be sure.
Her goal has always been to corrupt the Doctor and show him how wrong he is in his "vain arrogant sentimental" goodness, pretty much like Delgado. Series 10 inverted that theme. That being said, I wish we'd seen her conquer the Daleks...
Thanks for this-what about ranking villains who are not The Master: Tobias Vaughan Mavic Chen The Meddling Monk The Celestial Toymaker Professor Maxtible
6sek Especially the monologue about the baby, that was a highlight to me. Master is probably my favorite interpretation of The Doctor and Master's relationship
Any thoughts on how the Master got his regenerations back? Because when we first saw him in the Classic series, he was in his 12th and final form, that's why he didn't just regenerate. He had to transfer his mind into stolen bodies in order to survive for the entire run of the Classic. Yet in the new one, he regenerates within minutes of realizing who he really is, with just a throwaway line: "If the Doctor can be younger, well, then so can I!"
I'm pretty sure it was said when Simm took on the role its said that the Time Lords brought him back to fight in the Time War and gave him a new regeneration cycle.
Actually Erik Roberts did know of Doctor Who and of the Master, having seen episodes of the 70s era during their original run. Apparently he pushed his agent to get him the role of the Master when he learnt of the American TV Movie's production.
Council of geeks -BTW, if you're going to be checking out the Big Finish Master stories, The 40th Anniversary Master story from 2003 entitled "Master" is really great. (Dust Breeding and Mastermind are great fun too.) Also since you are a fan of the Derek Jacobi Master, as I am, you will be happy to hear that Big Finish is bringing him back to do a Box set of Master stories with his Master adventuring on his own not encountering the Doctor. Should be fun! Also, they've now done it on the show, but Big Finish beat them to the punch and gave us "The Two Masters" in 2016! With the Geoffrey Beevers Master meeting the Alex Maqueen Master and the Seventh Doctor.
Well I guess I shall add my list- 8-Johm Simm 7-Peter Pratt 6-Eric Roberts 5-Michelle Gomez 4-Roger Delgado 3-Derek Jacobi 2-Geoffrey Beavers 2b- Alex Mcqueen (Big Finish) 1-Anthony Ainley
Roger Delgado is brilliant, and a lot of that had to do with his personal relationship with Jon Pertwee. The later 70s Master that had that weird skull face were barely noteworthy. Anthony Ainley is way too over the top and overused, which pretty much goes for most villains in the 80s era. Eric Roberts is.....you know that's not really something I need to talk about or even see. John Simms was amazing, but different enough from the evil charm of Delgado. Like he was evil, but he sort of had that eccentric vibe the 10th Doctor had, and he felt more like a sarcastic asshole. But no one can top Michelle Gomez as Missy! Yes I stand by that and you can argue with me but I will be unmoved. Nothing will ever top "I am Doctor Who and these are my disposables, Exposition and Comic Relief.
I had the same problem with Anthony Ainley but I could not pin-point why and you did in a few words. He was smart and slightly off balance but I never felt he was as dangerous as Roger Delgado. He never really seemed to come across as a effective villain. I like the Master and I liked Anthony but he was just never very high on my list of the Masters.
The Deadly Assassin mask still scares the crap out of me and Pratt acting with it sounds horrifically injured. He is Mason Verger. That voice projected through the mask sounds like a flayed man.
Of course I'm number one. By the way it's Roger Caesar Marius Bernard de Delgado Torres Castillo Roberto. I was always voted person with the longest name!
Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope. If I'm going to put my foot down on one thing it's that the Doctor, the Master (and I'd say any Time Lord) needs to be British. ANYWHERE in the British Isles is fine, but they should not be American.
I think the John Simm Master performance alongside the Michelle Gomez Missy performance, puts both actors up higher now. Those two had even more chemistry with each other than they did with the Doctor Capaldi.
Geoffrey Beever is the only actor to reprise their version of the Master in Big Finish as far as I know, but from what I heard Alex Macqueen's Master in Dark Eyes is very good.
I'll always go with Delgado but wonder how he would have worked with other Doctors if it had been possible. The Sea Devils swordfight was great, it's been re-done with light-sabres! There was quite a good book called 'The Face of the Enemy' in which the Doctor was off-world so in order to solve a time-puzzle the Brigadier had to temporarily release The Master to help UNIT. Not entirely to be trusted, he was partnered with Ian and Barbara.
John Simm is my favorite Master, I loved how energetic and crazy he was, there's a sense of menace in a madman. His chemistry with David Tennant was brilliant, you can feel these two have history and were friends at one point. I felt that especially during End of Time.
You're in for a treat when you find "The Face" from the Stateside TV series One Step Beyond, for there Mr Delgado looks most Masterly. Then seek the series episode "Sorcerer" and you'll see the Stateside TV premiere of Christopher Lee.
Very good, hadn't thought about it but I'd agree with your list, although I might have put the masked Master below even the Roberts version (not the actor's fault). And I too prefered Jacobi as the Master until Simm's second appearance, which was much, much better than his first.
My ranking: 7-Eric Roberts, obviously. I don't need to explain this. 6-Peter Pratt/Geoffrey beevers, just couldn't live up to Delgado and sometimes just didn't feel like the same character 5-Anthony ainley, honestly he's just so cartoonish tbh he's just a stereotypical mustache twirling villain it feels like him and the doctor don't have an ex friends now enemies and the writers just didn't know what to do with him. He was a good actor who did the best with what he had. 4-Derek Jacobi, he just felt so menacing and powerful in the 3 minutes that he was the master but he just didn't have enough screen time as the time lord. 3- Michelle Gomez, I love missy to bits but I feel like she needed to be more threatening and less crazy as she seemed more bonkers than simm, her chemistry with capaldi was great and when she wanted to be she was truly threatening. Whilst I do love the comedic aspect of her character I do feel the writers pushed it a bit to hard and she became less threatening and more comedy, which isn't what the master can be. 2-roger Delgado, what can I say, he's the original and just great in every way I can't even do him justice by explaining why I love him. 1- John sim, I'm sure many won't agree here but to me he's perfect for the master in my opinion, at least in series 3 and 10 and some of the more serious moments of end of time. I never understood why people don't like his series 3 appearance saying that he's to manic when in series 3 he's actually far more calm and calculated than any other of his appearances. His chemistry with Tennant is amazing and you truly buy their relationship. The thing that sells me with this master is that really he always wins in series 3 he completely beats the doctor and rules for over a year and is only truly defeated because of his arrogance believing the companions to to be beneath him as he is beaten by the Martha who breaks his psychic control of everyone bring the doctor back, and jack who destroys the paradox machine. In the end of time he goes from destitute and dying to being in complete control of the planet and is only beaten once again due to his arrogance as he tried to bring back the time lords and they undid his victory. Both these times the doctor was left powerless and defeated showing that the master wasn't his equal but his superior, mortar messed this up a bit in series 10 by having the doctor beat him in under 5 minutes he still somewhat succeeded as he converted bill and all the other inhabitants of the city.
I am not a Slipnot fan or Stone Sour fan, however I like Corey's books. Obviously he is a massive Whovian as is Ian Scott from Anthrax. What surprised me is, Corey did an interview and he ran down each Doc, and he loves them all. His knowledge of the show is amazing. I only found out recently that Steve Martin is a massive fan of the show, at least the classic series. The guys from Mars Volta are too.
Anthony ailnley the best master reasons why- °outlasted 4 doctors °brought the end of the iconic longest running fourth doctor. °has an insane laugh °had a love/hate relationship with the doctor °longest running master °had the most elaborate plans to kill the doctor instead of torturing him for a year °Had amazing disguises except for the one where he is king John's champion °nearly reverted into an animal like creature just to kill the 7th doctor °Both wacky and disturbing °Just spine chilling every time he is revealed
OnceUponAPiano Missy, much like Eric Roberts, is hardly recognizable as the Master. Her psycho routine mixed with her purple outfit makes her come off as playing a gender swaped Joker than a gender swaped Master. Rarely was her presence threatening and even more rarely did she act like the Master and manipulate people around her. On top of that most of the episodes she's in aren't very good.
Anyone who's a Doctor Who fan should dislike Missy. Nothing but pandering to whiny feminists online, not to mention a complete betrayal and undermining of the Masters character. He goes from the Doctors archfoe to a kinky Mary Poppins who wants to shag the Doctor. She should below Eric Roberts at least he played the Master as a manipulative, evil villain who hypnotised people and wanted the Doctor dead. Its just PC nonsense to say that Missy is believable as the Master for 2 seconds.
Totally agree with your 1st place. I have to say, I never really took to the whole drumming thing personally. It just seemed like too simplistic an explanation. Mind you, I had just recently listened to the big finish story "master" that gave a way more interesting and compelling character study for the master so maybe I was just hug up from that XD
Yeah I do plan to do the Doctors again, but it's probably another year off until we get at least one full series with whoever the new one is. A comprehensive companions list that includes the classics is something I'd love to do at some point... but yeah that would be a MASSIVE undertaking.
Thank you for another brilliant video. I certainly will not be resorting to personal insults over any of your rankings (that would be rather hypocritical coming from me, as well as more than a little obnoxious, given how bad I am at ranking or comparison of any kind, though in this case I could readily agree with you in placing Eric Roberts at the bottom, though weirdly I can understand other Whovians loathing a number of incarnations for essentially the same reasons that I do that interpretation - finding it somewhat over the top, though personally somehow neither Ainley at his most "pantomime villain like" or as you say, "Saturday morning cartoon" villain like, nor Simm or more recently and indeed since the creation of this video Dhawan at their most manic, ever reach the point of grating on me - to be clear I really enjoy all three named performances, nor for Masters is one televised appearance and therefore an unfairness in the comparison really a defence for Roberts, who may well be brilliant in whatever else he has been in and may redeem himself in Big Finish for all I know, given that Peter Pratt, Geoffrey Beavers and Derek Jacobi all excel in their respective onscreen appearances). My profuse apologies, I really need to get better at self editing. Anyway, as one last note, I could never insult anyone for placing the inimitable Roger Delgado first! Nor do I disagree with your admiration of Michelle Gomez, I just couldn't begin to know where I would place most of the actors here (sorry, that one last note thing dud not last long).
The thing that... how to say... sticked out to me, with The Master character, is that The Master is INTELLIGENT. The Master comes up with a lot of unbelievable, GENIOUS plans that make you say OMG. He's amazingly talented and knoweledgeable yet he pursues evil. That's what amazing about him, more than the simple conquest pursue. Roger Del Gado and John Simm (not in Series 10 though) were AMAZING in this. I have to watch Anley and the scorched Masters.
So where would you rank Sasha Dhawan? Personally, I feel like he's a more threatening John Simm. Not a fan of the timeless children, but he was definitely the best part of that two parter.
Missy "I'm doctor whooooo" and I love in World enough and time Missy:"Stand aside" Doctor:Why? Missy:"Cos if anyone kills you that isn't me we're going to be very disappointed" John simm: Pushes wheelchair and just watched it whack into the wall. These two were my favourite and had AMAZING chemistry together
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Best moment in Utopia was when Derek Jacobi opened the watch and you heard Anthony Ainley's laugh.
or when you heard the Master Voice Roger Delgado say I am the Master
I never heard that
I felt John Simm and David Tennant had quite good chemistry.
"Oh, how to shut him up! I know! Memory Lane!"
Happy Industries did Simm and Capaldi Even have chemistry? I haven't seen the episode where he returned...
Nah, not for me, except for a couple of moments in the end of time. And it was nothing in comparison to Delgado or Gomez.
@@alexinabox6931 gomez was rubbish and simm is a lot better
@@alexinabox6931 Gomez is literally Simm-light in S8. She comes into her own a bit in S9, but still feels more like River Song than Master.
Missy killed OsGOOD not OsWIN. Oswin was a Dalek.
Thank you, I was so confused when he said that.
Too many Os'ssssssssssssssaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!
But which one?......
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I'll answer that question one day, When no one cares about the answer. :D
yes your'e right I put Oswin in one of my replies and realised after I'd posted what he said was wrong
One of my favorite scenes from Roger Delgado: There's a moment in "The Sea Devils" where the Master mistakes clay figures in a children's show for actual aliens. When somebody points out what they really are, he chuckles good-naturedly, as if he knew that all along. The moment the other character can't see his face any more, his expression turns to annoyance. It's very subtle, but Delgado nails it perfectly.
Yes, the Clangers appeared to be a fascinating new life form... he whistled a few times, trying to master their language... :)
Mirrored in John Simm’s Master when he was watching Teletubbies. Lol.
Wait... what? The Clangers aren't real?
Well, good for you, because Derek Jacobi is starring in a series of audio dramas about the Master in the Time War!
I was really happy when they introduced that legend as the Master, then they killed him after one bloody episode and turned him into the blonde guy.
Cult of Skaro.v
Plus he's also in a UNIT episode now! I love him.
and doing very well, they are great stories
@Mike DeMarco Well no, the on-screen narrative say she was resurrected to fight in the time war, not regenerated, which means he was brought back after the movie, so it is probably just Jacobi.
Here's my list from worst to best and everything here is deliberate. The Master is my favourite character ever. I don't count that little child, the movie Master, both without a dialogue nor the audio one.
1. Peter Pratt
1. Geoffrey Beevers
1. Eric Roberts
1. Anthony Ainley
1. John Simm
1. Derek Jacobi
1. Michelle Gomez
1. Roger Delgado
Haha, very good! :)
Aww :)
My reaction first glance: HOW IS MICHELLE SO LOW?
After closer look: Oh I see what you did there!
most accurate master rank I've ever seen
I love you
Finally a Missy fan! She's my favourite incarnation of the Master! Her personality, story arc, chemistry with Capaldi and her playfulness! She was just amazing!
not quite the Master though more Harley Quinn
Yes! Missy was my favorite incarnation of the new series.
A deserved 2nd place for Missy.
I love her!
I liked Missy. I just hated the fact they called her Missy. They stated that a Time-Lords name is super important so changing it didnt sit well with me.
It didn't bother me because her personality was such that I totally buy she'd make that switch up. But I get your point.
@@CouncilofGeeks Now I kind of want to see a regeneration of The Doctor going by "Doc". :P
The Master is not a conventional timelord. Go figure.
I hated her and it was just like she just used the masters history to make her more threatening.
I really didn’t care for the name, either. “The Master” is the perfect combination of threatening and cheesy. I honestly didn’t see any reason why a woman couldn’t call herself the Master except for hiding her true identity until the reveal.
I went to doctor who experience today and met capaldi 😀😀😀😀
jealous! I went on the day the first episode of season 8 premiered, and I was JUST half an hour too late to meet them... it was around 4 years ago, still sad about it...
I meet Capaldi and Matt
I didn't meet any Doctors when I went to the experience, but I met Colin Baker, Peter Davison, Sylvester McCoy and Paul McGann on conventions in Belgium.
I met Elisabeth Sladen in a lift before she died. I was like 3 so I cant remember tonnes but I remember being so excited.
That's cool. I wish I could've met her. She was great in the show and in The Sarah Jane Adventures.
Big Finish are planning a "War Master" series with Derek Jacobi, what's your thoughts on that?
Freaking SOLD!
There is a really good Master only story, where he is stuck on earth and is picked up by UNIT and kept locked away. Geoffrey B (who by the way is/was married to the woman who played the 3rd Doctors companion Liz Shaw) is great in it, has a bit of light heartedness in it but by the end gets creepy; and his Master laugh are things nightmares are made of.
If I remember right it's called Mastervault.
Do you by any chance mean 'Mastermind' ?
Yes, that's the name of it, thx ^_^
flipping awesome!!!!
I agree it's a pity Derek Jacobi did not have more time as the Master because he made a very scary Master for the time he was in the roll. I also think Michelle Gomez has been brilliant as her 'Mistress' comes over as a genuine high functioning psychopath and her portrayal of the roll had been a country mile better than anyone other than the real Master, Roger Delgado, the man who scared the shit out of me as a kid! (No surprise as Jon Pertwee is my Doctor.)
Agreed. Can't remember another Master who actually made me scared apart from Missy and Delgado's.
yes by far the Best Two but like you I would have loved to see Jacobi's take. Delgado for me will always be the Master, I grew up with Hartnell and Troughton but the Pertwee era really got me hooked. Venusian Karate and Aikido, Bessie the Master the Silurians The Sea Devils the Draconions and Axon The Daemons and the Green death even the Weaker episodes were brilliant compared to the modern era. and each show was only half an hour with a cliffhanger and they told twice as much story the only big difference is about a Million quid, loud music, SFX loud sound FX and pretty boy Doctors that run around shouting a lot and snogging companions every five minutes! They are even worse now that this new Bloke Chibnal took over now there's all the bells and whistles and no bloody story either!
Is there a correlation between particularly deft performances of the Master and Iberian surnames? I must away and consult the Black Scrolls of Rassilon
In several of the stories Ainley tried to be menancing. I hear he did a real good job. There was one very large problem. That was Jon Nathan Turner. He refused to let Ainley be menacing . So blame the producer. He was the one who refused to let it happen. The producer had Gary-who was the floor manager and happened to be jnt partner on the floor, reporting anything or anyone who stepped out of line!
yes. absolutely.
He was really good in survival where he was allowed to show that he could be menacing.
I did like Ainley but yes thank to JNT he was more pantomime Villain than the Master
JNT really kneecapped every aspect of the series ughhhh I feel bad hating on him bc he was a human with feelings and it feels mean but he really fucked up the show dude
John Simm used to be lower on my ranking but after Series 10 he climbed up
Zak Rosenfeld John Simm is missing a goatie
Life Upgrade - My favorite Master was Anthony Ainley
1:40 - Eric was aware who the Master was, because he spent his childhood in the U.K. However, he thought Delgado was quite campy and he himself wanted to give a much more "realistic" preformance. Personally, I think Roberts was a very scary Master and I'd love to see him again. He himself has already stated that he'd love to come back. "All they have to do, is ask."
timrob12 Well you’re wish will come true! Eric Roberts is returning as The Master for Big Finish in The diary of River Song series! Are you excited? It’s called: The four Master!
I think where his Master fell down he just wasn't menacing enough even Americans get Brits to play Villains it's the whole accent thing and training in the Theatre. When Alan Rickman was asked about how he made such an effective performance when he played Hans Gruber and the Sheriff of Nottingham he replied " My Years in Pantomime for the Royal Shakespearian Company."
Just remember, Roberts was actually the ambulance who the Master possessed and the movie forgot. Seriously, they just had him fall and die in the Eye of Harmony, while forgetting the Master had stolen the body of an innocent.
@@samuelbarber4154 That's why he works for me. Normally, I would've been sceptical of an American playing the role, but because it was through possession, it worked for me.
For me, John Simms appearance in Season 10 was the best of the Master in New Who. Roger Delgado good choice for #1
Delgado number one! the rest take your pick. Agree on the Pertwee-Delgado chemistry and the Holmes-Moriarty analogy.
I have to agree, but then again that's my age showing
Delgado was a true thespian. Great actor. Greatest actor on doctor who.
tragic loss.
My list (I’m including big finish & comics)
1. The War Master
2. Delgado
3. Alex McQueen
4. Geffory Beavers (sorry if I spelt that wrong)
5. Malignant Truth Master
6. Missy
7. TV movie Master
8. John Simm
9. Anthony Ainley
10. Peter Pratt
The only thing about Missy killing Osgood that still puzzles me is: Was it the human or the Zygon version? We still have yet to find that out
And we never will because it's not the point. Although it was the Zygon. Had to be.
Well, we know that there are currently either one or two Zygon Oswins, one of which previously posed as Clara.
robust feminist argument...
It was the Zygon, because the being has to be alive for the Zygon to copy it.
it could be either because the zygons said there were "new rules" where they could keep using the image of a dead person. personaly I think the zygon survived but I hope the real Osgood survived.
You're saying "who The Master is" but his regenerations work the same as The Doctors. When he regenerates he is basically a different person so I think that John Simm did a really good job.
no he's the same person with a different face .
@@andrewtate4897 If you want Classic Who examples of what @KVAcedo27 means, look at the differences between the 1st and 2nd Doctors, or the 2nd and 3rd Doctors, or the 3rd and 4th, or the.... yeah. Sure there are the same themes that say consistent but they're written clearly different
8. Eric Roberts
7. Peter Pratt
6. Geoffrey Beevers
5. John Simm
4. Anthony Ainley
3. Derek Jacobi
2. Michelle Gomez
1. Roger Delgado
I would say that Ainley does come across as actually menacing in Survival; definitely his best performance in the role.
I really liked John Simm in Season 10; I felt he was channeling Delgado a bit there, combined with the insanity of his own performance. If we had gotten this version of Simm's master throughout, he may very well have topped the list
I wish we had more Jacobi; he was fantastic. I think he appears in some audios? I have to check on that.
Aw I loved Ainley he gave a great performance in Survival and his earlier stories, it's interesting that some people think he isn't very threatening I mean he kidnapped the doctors companion Adric. The Master tortured him and forced Adric to kill The Doctor and then watch him die, Adric was 15 years old imagine if that was you. That's some scary crap, not to mention that The Master is walking around in Nyssa's fathers corpse. But I do love most of the Master's and Missy :D
heather Benson Ainley was at his best in Survival. Such a shame the show was cancelled after that very story :(
I've never seen anyone rank miss so high on a list before, I'm so glad I'm not the only one that love love loveeeed her
Maile Makes Music she was amazing my favourite line from Missy is "move out the way because if someone kills you who's not me I'm going to be very disappointed!!!" 😂
They've overdone Missy a bit at times, but Gomez (especially with Capaldi) has been one of the best things about the show in the recent years.
Craig Champagne simm was the best master
Yes yes, we all have a crush on Missy
9:18 I got that menace because he could leap over buildings and shoot electricity out of his hands...
This is the first video I watched from you, and loved it. I'm not a Classic Who fan, I've only seen bits and pieces. This totally put the Master's appearances in perspective. And yes, I LOVE Missy too. What you said about how her version of good is more like a change in alignment from chaotic evil to lawful evil is the perfect way to describe it. I'm now slowly working through all the other reviews and lists available.
Actually Erik Roberts did know who the Master was, having actually seen some of the classical episodes, during their original broadcast. He actually rang his agent to get him the role when he first got wind of the movie.
2018 UPDATE: Now Big Finish is doing a box set where River Song meets The Beevers Master, the Roberts master, the Jacobi Master, and the Gomez Missy/Master. Should be interesting! (Esp to see how much of an improvement there will be to Robert's characterization with better direction.)
Here's my list:
7. Eric Roberts
6. Peter Pratt/ Geoffrey Beevers
5. Derek Jacobi
4. Anthony Ainley
3. John Simm
2. Michelle Gomez
1. Roger Delgado
In Derek Jacobi's defense though, he really never had enough time to develop his master since he was technically only the master for the first part of a three parter
that's true, and if he had more screen time he would probably be a lot higher up.
Same except I swap 6/7
Something Fierce your list is exactly how my #Master list would read! #ObeyYourMaster!
I would put Geoffrey Beevers above Derek Jacobi, but other than that, great list.
A bit controversial, perhaps, but:
8) Eric Roberts, 7) John Simm; 6) Geoffrey Beevers, 5) Derek Jacobi, 4) Peter Pratt, 3) Anthony Ainley, 2) Michelle Gomez "I'm Doctor Whooooo!" and 1) Roger Delgado. Never really connected with John Simm and certainly not Eric Roberts. The Master works when there is a mixture of charisma, menace and plotting. I love the fact that Delgado's Master and Jon Pertwee's Doctor always tried to "outdo" each other, something that's lost in the new series, although the possible redemption of Missy was an interesting twist in Series 10. Always Roger Delgado for me. :)
Totally agree with your ranking. Although I quite liked Beevers in Dust Breeding, his few appearances make me list him so low.
Pertwee actually recommended Delgado for the role, they were actually very good friends in real life
"Say something nice!"
when you said "missy killed oswin", I said "NOT OSWIN!! OSGOOD!"
Yeah, you and it feels like 20% of the other commenters.
@@CouncilofGeeks 😂
My favourite is john simm
Jordan Matthews same, I like Missy but John Simm is my favourite by a long way
I disliked him in the Series 3 finale and The End of Time, but the Series 10 finale made me love him as the Master!
Jordan Matthews mine too 😊
Jordan Matthews same
He was awful to begin with. Just couldn't stand him. He's gotten better though, i'll give him that.
I wish we had gotten SO MUCH MORE of Missy she is one of my favourite New Who villains
Technically, We've Only Seen Four Versions of The Master. Rodger Delgado's Master Was on The Brink of Death and Became The Two Crispy Masters, That Same Master Stole a New Face From Someone Else, That Same Master Died in The Movie, but Possessed Someone Else to Keep Living, He Then Died (for real) at The End When he Fell into The Eye of Harmony. He was Then Resurrected With his Second Version in Season Three with Dr. Yana, he Then Died to Become his Third Version with John Simm's Master, Who Then Died to Become Missy, The Fourth Incarnation. Mind - Blown.......
"Rodger Delgado's Master Was on The Brink of Death and Became The Two Crispy Masters"
According to what exactly? One random comic?
If we're going by expanded universe, there's like two different sources that say otherwise, The Two Masters and Doorway To Hell. I wish people would stop saying they're the same, there's more sources saying they aren't.
It must be really exhausting to capitalize the first letter of every word in a sentence. How do you even do that? Doesn't your pinky get tired stretching to the Shift key every few seconds?
In regards to the bouncy wacky Master...surely that's within reason for the character. He can be as different as the Doctor is after all?
the problem I find with John Simm was there were times when his version the master comes off like a Comic Book villain like the joker. Eric Roberts dressing like doctor strange at last 20 minutes of the movie made his version the master a bit lame.
I wish they would do more with the idea of the master chasing immortality but being decayed. Sure they did the same with John Simm chasing immortality but as himself. The idea of the master being on the brink of death where he has nothing to lose and looking how he does in his decayed form is just amazingly cool to me. Would love to see it return
i do think it is a shame that we won't get to see missy interact with the new dr as i would have loved to have seen it at least once
I love your list! Virtually identical to mine except it's a toss up between Delgado and Missy for me. I think Missy takes so much from Delgado's more serious moments and incorporates so much of his "old friends" dynamic and they're both incarnations who only attempt to kill the Doctor when necessary or as a bit of "texting" :) That being said, Delgado set the perfect precedent for all those who came after, and I think Moffat really picked that back up with Missy, even with her final death.
Brilliant ranking.
Council of Geeks: "And I don't think there's ever going to be one quite as perfect as Roger Delgado"
BBC: "What's Sacha Dhawan doing these days?"
hes good but he STILL doesnt compare to the original
Nah, nobody will ever come close to Roger's portrayal. The role was literally written for him.
@@misscrouch Now I've seen more of Roger's master I absolutely love him and I think he might be beating Dhawan.
Where can I get ahold of the classic doctor who's (pre-Christopher eccleston) because I have never seen any before and I'm dying to know where I can find a few seasons
Dailymotion. Just look up episodes on Wikipedia and watched them on Dailymotion.
Best to worst:
1) John Simm Master and Missy (like both to a similar level and they shift places between first and second, Simm is the first master as well and I sort of like his overdramatic feel and he's awesome in World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls)
2) Roger Delgado Master
3) Derek Jacobi master
4) Crispy Master (I'm counting both of them since I can't really tell the difference)
5) Anthony Ainley Master
6) Eric Roberts/TV Movie Master
*Note* I'm a new who fan and have seen a fair amount of the older episodes (a majority of which I like) and I've seen all the Masters in some form on screen but since I haven't seen all the episodes each appear in don't have a go at me as, due to a lack of time and ability to find them, I haven't seen all their episodes and it's been a while since I've seen the episodes I have
Curious to see where you’d put the latest one Sachs Dhawan? Also did you not get a Stockholm syndrome vibe from the Missy story?
Derek Jacobi has two big finish box sets called the war master.
There aren't many people on RUclips who can do a video this long with very little editing, while remaining very concise. Very well thought out opinions on the show, that I can say I relate to quite a bit.
Definitely subscribed.
I'm oddly pleased that somebody commented on the small number of edits. If you go back to my earlier stuff there's a ton more of them, so at this point I just chalk it up to 1) having done this for a while and 2) really wanting to cut down on my editing time by keeping things moving and knowing the major points I want to hit before I start.
what if Missy's death somehow affects time and causes the events of the christmas special and they end up finding out they have to save her to restore the time line?
I’ve been a super fan of Doctor Who since 1984. I’ve never really thought through ranking the Masters. I did that after seeing the title for this video but before hitting play. Our lists were identical. Thank you for a great video, and the validation that all is internet commenters are looking for.
I would love to rank them, but I've never seen any of the classic series (besides a few short videos and snippets), sadly :(
Can’t wait for your review of Utopia where you can just talk about that one bit where he turns to the camera all evil for an entire video
John Simms master for would have been in the last three on my list if it werent for 'World Enough And Time' and 'The Doctor Falls'. Thankyou Steven
Council Of Geeks one question, what makes the master look damaged in his second body, deadly assassin
To the best of my knowledge it’s not a specific incident. It’s just that it’s a body that should have given out long ago and he’s clinging to it no matter how bad it gets.
They just announced who the next doctor who will be at 6.30 pm in England!!
It's interesting you mention about the chemistry between Delgado and Pertwee and how Delgado's death had an influence on Pertwee deciding to leave the series, feeling that elusive chemistry had been lost. Because a similar situation happened with Capaldi and Gomez - when Capaldi announced he was leaving Doctor Who (along with Steven Moffatt), Gomez announced she was leaving shortly afterwards too because she felt Missy wouldn't work properly with any other Doctor. She has though acted with David Tennant since then on Big Finish.
Delgado and Simm where the best masters
Again, awesome video!
I think I can agree with your list and reasons 100%ly.
I'd rank them in the same order, though I'm not entirely sure how Ifeel about each Simm Incarnation cause I they're all a bit love/hate-ish for me.
I feel like the early S3 version (while not working ass good as the other 2 overall) had better chemistry with the doctor
(DT being the whole wibbly wobbly maniac in sand shoes incarnation we all love)
but his later more broody desperate extremes and scheming ways are so much more true to the original...
Anyways happy to see another Whovian loving Missy & the original as much as I do! :D
"S3 John Simm was too manic"
"I much preferred him in the End of Time"
Me: 🤔
Kind of makes sense, S3’s story and the Master’s manic behavior was a little jarring, but End of Time he’s supposed to be a Lunatic so him acting like a lunatic is fitting
Eric Roberts had one good line, "You want me to kill you?" I can't imagine you putting Ainley below Simm. I just found Simm too manic and silly, which made him completely unthreatening. For me, the list is:
Eric Roberts
John Simm
Geoffrey Beevers
Peter Pratt
Anthony Ainley
Derek Jacobi
Roger Delgado
I can't include Michelle Gomez, because to me that's not the Master, and I really haven't seen her episodes.
I get what you're saying about Roberts and you're right. However, I just chalked up his performance to a combination of insanity, desperation, getting settled into a new body, and trauma from being killed again.
Missy just has better writing than Simm’s master. Her plans are so twisted. Classic master.
You forgot Gordon tipple, he was the old master in the movie and William Hughes the child master
So does the scientist from Utopia count? Because remember he was also the Master, even if he'd forgotten.
do you guys do twitch streaming or live stuff, I really enjoy this channel
Not at present, no. Glad you're enjoying what we do have, though!
8) Eric Roberts
7) Peter Pratt
6) Anthony Ainley
5) Geoffrey Beevers
4) Roger Delgado
3) Michelle Gomez
2) Derek Jacobi
1) John Simm
Now that's just idiotic. Go rewatch every 3rd doctor episode twice and redo your list.
+kant oh shut up. I've watched a fair amount of third doctor, and I'd place Rodger higher, probably second, but John is still my favourite
Fair amount? Seriously? If you haven't seen them all you shouldn't be ranking anything.
Sherrinford Holmes 100% agree
Kant that's kind of snobbish. Delgado and Missy are my faves, but don't dismiss others opinions just cuz he hasn't seen them all. Not like he said his opinion was fact or anything.
I didn't like Missy at all before series ten. I don't know if she changed or if I just didn't 'get it' before. I guess I'll have to rewatch her past appearances to be sure.
Her goal has always been to corrupt the Doctor and show him how wrong he is in his "vain arrogant sentimental" goodness, pretty much like Delgado. Series 10 inverted that theme. That being said, I wish we'd seen her conquer the Daleks...
Thanks for this-what about ranking villains who are not The Master:
Tobias Vaughan
Mavic Chen
The Meddling Monk
The Celestial Toymaker
Professor Maxtible
I did a couple of villain ranking videos a while back (one for recurring villains and one for one-timers) but they're kind of out of date now.
the toy maker would rank no1 in this list as he is one of the guardians while the others are mortal though the monk is a time lord
Listen to Big Finish No.50 - Master To hear how good Geoffrey Bevers is
6sek Especially the monologue about the baby, that was a highlight to me. Master is probably my favorite interpretation of The Doctor and Master's relationship
Fun Fact: Derek Jacobi did properly play the Master in the 'Doctor Who: Scream of the Shalka' animated series.
Could you rank all the Regeneration stories from worst to best
It's on the docket. Not for a while though.
Any thoughts on how the Master got his regenerations back? Because when we first saw him in the Classic series, he was in his 12th and final form, that's why he didn't just regenerate. He had to transfer his mind into stolen bodies in order to survive for the entire run of the Classic.
Yet in the new one, he regenerates within minutes of realizing who he really is, with just a throwaway line: "If the Doctor can be younger, well, then so can I!"
I'm pretty sure it was said when Simm took on the role its said that the Time Lords brought him back to fight in the Time War and gave him a new regeneration cycle.
Actually Erik Roberts did know of Doctor Who and of the Master, having seen episodes of the 70s era during their original run. Apparently he pushed his agent to get him the role of the Master when he learnt of the American TV Movie's production.
That unfortunately just makes me like the resulting performance even less.
Missy killed Osgood not oswin 😂👍
Yeah I'm still smacking my head over that one.
Council of geeks -BTW, if you're going to be checking out the Big Finish Master stories, The 40th Anniversary Master story from 2003 entitled "Master" is really great. (Dust Breeding and Mastermind are great fun too.) Also since you are a fan of the Derek Jacobi Master, as I am, you will be happy to hear that Big Finish is bringing him back to do a Box set of Master stories with his Master adventuring on his own not encountering the Doctor. Should be fun!
Also, they've now done it on the show, but Big Finish beat them to the punch and gave us "The Two Masters" in 2016! With the Geoffrey Beevers Master meeting the Alex Maqueen Master and the Seventh Doctor.
Well I guess I shall add my list-
8-Johm Simm
7-Peter Pratt
6-Eric Roberts
5-Michelle Gomez
4-Roger Delgado
3-Derek Jacobi
2-Geoffrey Beavers
2b- Alex Mcqueen (Big Finish)
1-Anthony Ainley
Roger Delgado is brilliant, and a lot of that had to do with his personal relationship with Jon Pertwee. The later 70s Master that had that weird skull face were barely noteworthy. Anthony Ainley is way too over the top and overused, which pretty much goes for most villains in the 80s era. Eric Roberts is.....you know that's not really something I need to talk about or even see. John Simms was amazing, but different enough from the evil charm of Delgado. Like he was evil, but he sort of had that eccentric vibe the 10th Doctor had, and he felt more like a sarcastic asshole.
But no one can top Michelle Gomez as Missy! Yes I stand by that and you can argue with me but I will be unmoved. Nothing will ever top "I am Doctor Who and these are my disposables, Exposition and Comic Relief.
Unlike every other ranking video I've ever seen, I absolutely agree with every one of your picks...and with your reasons for picking them.
I had the same problem with Anthony Ainley but I could not pin-point why and you did in a few words. He was smart and slightly off balance but I never felt he was as dangerous as Roger Delgado. He never really seemed to come across as a effective villain. I like the Master and I liked Anthony but he was just never very high on my list of the Masters.
I don’t want to watch the whole vid, can someone comment his list.
The Deadly Assassin mask still scares the crap out of me and Pratt acting with it sounds horrifically injured. He is Mason Verger. That voice projected through the mask sounds like a flayed man.
Of course I'm number one. By the way it's Roger Caesar Marius Bernard de Delgado Torres Castillo Roberto. I was always voted person with the longest name!
do you think Kevin Spacey would be a great role for the master in doctor who
Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope. If I'm going to put my foot down on one thing it's that the Doctor, the Master (and I'd say any Time Lord) needs to be British. ANYWHERE in the British Isles is fine, but they should not be American.
aright aright it was just a suggestion i did not say it must happen i saw his performance in house of cards it was just a idea
I'm sure Eric Roberts had a bloody video recorder! He could of done some research !Or was he above doing it?
I wish that Anthony Ainley got to have more stories like Survival, I felt he was really 'Mastery' then
I think the John Simm Master performance alongside the Michelle Gomez Missy performance, puts both actors up higher now. Those two had even more chemistry with each other than they did with the Doctor Capaldi.
Geoffrey Beever is the only actor to reprise their version of the Master in Big Finish as far as I know, but from what I heard Alex Macqueen's Master in Dark Eyes is very good.
I'll always go with Delgado but wonder how he would have worked with other Doctors if it had been possible. The Sea Devils swordfight was great, it's been re-done with light-sabres! There was quite a good book called 'The Face of the Enemy' in which the Doctor was off-world so in order to solve a time-puzzle the Brigadier had to temporarily release The Master to help UNIT. Not entirely to be trusted, he was partnered with Ian and Barbara.
John Simm is my favorite Master, I loved how energetic and crazy he was, there's a sense of menace in a madman. His chemistry with David Tennant was brilliant, you can feel these two have history and were friends at one point. I felt that especially during End of Time.
You're in for a treat when you find "The Face" from the Stateside TV series One Step Beyond, for there Mr Delgado looks most Masterly. Then seek the series episode "Sorcerer" and you'll see the Stateside TV premiere of Christopher Lee.
Very good, hadn't thought about it but I'd agree with your list, although I might have put the masked Master below even the Roberts version (not the actor's fault). And I too prefered Jacobi as the Master until Simm's second appearance, which was much, much better than his first.
My ranking:
7-Eric Roberts, obviously. I don't need to explain this.
6-Peter Pratt/Geoffrey beevers, just couldn't live up to Delgado and sometimes just didn't feel like the same character
5-Anthony ainley, honestly he's just so cartoonish tbh he's just a stereotypical mustache twirling villain it feels like him and the doctor don't have an ex friends now enemies and the writers just didn't know what to do with him. He was a good actor who did the best with what he had.
4-Derek Jacobi, he just felt so menacing and powerful in the 3 minutes that he was the master but he just didn't have enough screen time as the time lord.
3- Michelle Gomez, I love missy to bits but I feel like she needed to be more threatening and less crazy as she seemed more bonkers than simm, her chemistry with capaldi was great and when she wanted to be she was truly threatening. Whilst I do love the comedic aspect of her character I do feel the writers pushed it a bit to hard and she became less threatening and more comedy, which isn't what the master can be.
2-roger Delgado, what can I say, he's the original and just great in every way I can't even do him justice by explaining why I love him.
1- John sim, I'm sure many won't agree here but to me he's perfect for the master in my opinion, at least in series 3 and 10 and some of the more serious moments of end of time. I never understood why people don't like his series 3 appearance saying that he's to manic when in series 3 he's actually far more calm and calculated than any other of his appearances. His chemistry with Tennant is amazing and you truly buy their relationship. The thing that sells me with this master is that really he always wins in series 3 he completely beats the doctor and rules for over a year and is only truly defeated because of his arrogance believing the companions to to be beneath him as he is beaten by the Martha who breaks his psychic control of everyone bring the doctor back, and jack who destroys the paradox machine. In the end of time he goes from destitute and dying to being in complete control of the planet and is only beaten once again due to his arrogance as he tried to bring back the time lords and they undid his victory. Both these times the doctor was left powerless and defeated showing that the master wasn't his equal but his superior, mortar messed this up a bit in series 10 by having the doctor beat him in under 5 minutes he still somewhat succeeded as he converted bill and all the other inhabitants of the city.
I am not a Slipnot fan or Stone Sour fan, however I like Corey's books. Obviously he is a massive Whovian as is Ian Scott from Anthrax. What surprised me is, Corey did an interview and he ran down each Doc, and he loves them all. His knowledge of the show is amazing. I only found out recently that Steve Martin is a massive fan of the show, at least the classic series. The guys from Mars Volta are too.
Anthony ailnley the best master reasons why-
°outlasted 4 doctors
°brought the end of the iconic longest running fourth doctor.
°has an insane laugh
°had a love/hate relationship with the doctor
°longest running master
°had the most elaborate plans to kill the doctor instead of torturing him for a year
°Had amazing disguises except for the one where he is king John's champion
°nearly reverted into an animal like creature just to kill the 7th doctor
°Both wacky and disturbing
°Just spine chilling every time he is revealed
My ranking:
8. Eric Roberts
7. Michelle Gomez
6. Geoffrey Beevers
5. Peter Pratt
4. John Simm
3. Derek Jacobi
2. Anthony Ainley
1. Roger Delgardo
Edward Bedor daaaaaamn why do you not like Missy?
OnceUponAPiano Missy, much like Eric Roberts, is hardly recognizable as the Master. Her psycho routine mixed with her purple outfit makes her come off as playing a gender swaped Joker than a gender swaped Master. Rarely was her presence threatening and even more rarely did she act like the Master and manipulate people around her. On top of that most of the episodes she's in aren't very good.
I like how Michelle Gomez played Missy it's just I hate that they made the Master a woman.
No one beats the original :)
Anyone who's a Doctor Who fan should dislike Missy. Nothing but pandering to whiny feminists online, not to mention a complete betrayal and undermining of the Masters character. He goes from the Doctors archfoe to a kinky Mary Poppins who wants to shag the Doctor. She should below Eric Roberts at least he played the Master as a manipulative, evil villain who hypnotised people and wanted the Doctor dead. Its just PC nonsense to say that Missy is believable as the Master for 2 seconds.
Totally agree with your 1st place. I have to say, I never really took to the whole drumming thing personally. It just seemed like too simplistic an explanation. Mind you, I had just recently listened to the big finish story "master" that gave a way more interesting and compelling character study for the master so maybe I was just hug up from that XD
You should definitely review the doctors again. Companions would be very tricky, from what I last heard there are over 60!
Yeah I do plan to do the Doctors again, but it's probably another year off until we get at least one full series with whoever the new one is. A comprehensive companions list that includes the classics is something I'd love to do at some point... but yeah that would be a MASSIVE undertaking.
Thank you for another brilliant video. I certainly will not be resorting to personal insults over any of your rankings (that would be rather hypocritical coming from me, as well as more than a little obnoxious, given how bad I am at ranking or comparison of any kind, though in this case I could readily agree with you in placing Eric Roberts at the bottom, though weirdly I can understand other Whovians loathing a number of incarnations for essentially the same reasons that I do that interpretation - finding it somewhat over the top, though personally somehow neither Ainley at his most "pantomime villain like" or as you say, "Saturday morning cartoon" villain like, nor Simm or more recently and indeed since the creation of this video Dhawan at their most manic, ever reach the point of grating on me - to be clear I really enjoy all three named performances, nor for Masters is one televised appearance and therefore an unfairness in the comparison really a defence for Roberts, who may well be brilliant in whatever else he has been in and may redeem himself in Big Finish for all I know, given that Peter Pratt, Geoffrey Beavers and Derek Jacobi all excel in their respective onscreen appearances). My profuse apologies, I really need to get better at self editing. Anyway, as one last note, I could never insult anyone for placing the inimitable Roger Delgado first! Nor do I disagree with your admiration of Michelle Gomez, I just couldn't begin to know where I would place most of the actors here (sorry, that one last note thing dud not last long).
The thing that... how to say... sticked out to me, with The Master character, is that The Master is INTELLIGENT. The Master comes up with a lot of unbelievable, GENIOUS plans that make you say OMG. He's amazingly talented and knoweledgeable yet he pursues evil. That's what amazing about him, more than the simple conquest pursue. Roger Del Gado and John Simm (not in Series 10 though) were AMAZING in this. I have to watch Anley and the scorched Masters.
So where would you rank Sasha Dhawan? Personally, I feel like he's a more threatening John Simm. Not a fan of the timeless children, but he was definitely the best part of that two parter.
Much like with Jodie, I'd like at least one more series before I make a call on that.
@@CouncilofGeeks Fair.
Missy "I'm doctor whooooo" and I love in World enough and time Missy:"Stand aside" Doctor:Why? Missy:"Cos if anyone kills you that isn't me we're going to be very disappointed" John simm: Pushes wheelchair and just watched it whack into the wall. These two were my favourite and had AMAZING chemistry together