I can't believe how this game made me feel for the bloody baron. He had such dimensionality that despite being basically an awful fucking person, we feel for him. I'm playing the game now for the first time and holy shit blood and wine is amazing.
The innocent kids die, but so do the mother of the crones(the evil tree spirit) she is practically more evil than the crones, and if you free it....Good luck.
Yeah. She's afraid that she'll cease to exist, but the game showed us before that being dead ain't even that bad. I mean, look at Vlodimir, he was dead and yet he seemed alright, if a little bored. Same with the other Van Everecs whose spectral asses you kick. Anyway, anything is better than that weird limbo she "lived" in.
you do realize she actually is dead? only "lives" on through painting? her actual real physical body is already half decomposed on her bed and the rose is literally the only thing that's binding her to stay in that realm instead of completely being sent to "the void" where the dead go to
Sungjun Yi It's stated in the game, that the dead live in a different realm. They can enter our realm on their own, but if they do, they become inhumane beasts. Some magicians can interact with the oher realm and talk and summon the dead.
@@emilyrose9723 I saw that in another video but I completely missed that in my playthrough. I never saw anything that implied she took part maybe I missed the dialogue option? Or I'm dumb lol, why did he lock her out of the room when he was doing magic if she knew about it? Did O'Dimm take her soul? Or I guess if she was a mostly moral person he would've left her alone but it seems weird that O'Dimm would work for 2 people (knowing that these things were also Iris's desires) and not take a payment from her.
@@seaschulainn when he locked her out of the room he was trying to find a way to end the pact with o'dimm not start it, also when you choose to tell her that her husband has a powerful enemy the way she words it implies that she was okay with her husband making a pact with o'dimm but neither one of them knew of the consequences at least not all, they knew that olgierd had to sacrifice vlodimir
+Corristo89 Though the saddest part of the entire game was walking out of Kaer Morhen to the front gate at the end and realizing it's done...it's really done...Geralt's story....No real way to interact with any of your friends you've fought so hard to save throughout the entire game.
Oğuzhan Keyifli (G)unter (O)'(D)ymm is pretty much hinted at being The Witchers' verion of the Devil himself. You find out that all he's after, are human souls and Olgierd's time to pay, has come. If you choose to help G.O.D, he takes his soul ==> his eyes.
Oğuzhan Keyifli (G)unter (O)'(D)ymm is pretty much hinted at being The Witchers' verion of the Devil himself. You find out that all he's after, are human souls and Olgierd's time to pay, has come. If you choose to help G.O.D, he takes his soul ==> his eyes.
The whole "Hearth of stone" is made on polish folklore ;) Kinda like whole Witcher franchise. Anyway, check "Pan Twardowski', there should be eng wiki for him :)
+poyozo doll He does. I also think he looks quite similar to Tom Hardy. It's especially clear in the earlier parts of this quest where he sports just a mustache. Looks like Hardy's role as Charles Bronson in Bronson.
Olgierd is such a brilliant character. An asshole quite sophisticated to fill complex feelings about a tourmented past... such a "Witcher Character". Him with Gaunter... I think this DLC quest was much more interesting than Wild Hunt and Eredin quest.
I say the Wild Hunt was more interesting as it had Yennefer, Ciri and the others, but as a character Olgierd, Volodimir, and Shani are more interesting than Eredin and his gang, that's 100%
Wild hunt was great but it was the classic good guys vs bad guys. But this DLC is more real I think. We see Olgierd as a heartless villain in the beginning, but later completely change our perspective knowing his true past. That’s the beauty of storytelling. I think CDPR realized this and made their DLCs a lot more morally ambiguous
most people made that choice. I didn't. I felt it was wrong. She needed to pass one. The house also died, and the "animals" were happy for that. Here, she even suggests that this was a dubious choice.
She did....but choosing for her didn't feel right. If she didn't want to die and wasn't hurting anyone, then I feel like I have no right to take the rose and kill her. As for the animals....they are demons so fuck em.
"Eyes the Devil would be proud to have." Damn. Knowing what O'Dim actually is and wants - and the fact that Iris doesn't know how appropriately literal that statement is - makes that line so disturbing.
i dont know if gaunter is Purely evil he does not fool geralt or anything and did help find yen also olgeird wanted to be happy by wishes gaunter says those kinda people dont deserve it meanwhile geralt has worked his ass off so partially screw olgeird
He gave Olgierd exactly what he asked for, he should have worded his wishes better, the phrase *"be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it"* comes to mind.
@@diggedboy2333 O'Dimm gave Olgeird exactly what he asked for, the problem is that Olgeird should have phrased his wishes better. Olgeird wished for money, power, and to live like there is no tomorrow, O'Dimm gave him exactly that Olgeird did not choose his words carefully and so O'Dimm was free to grant the wishes however he wanted...... Which is an example of "be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it."
I took the rose, felt that it was the best and she can finally rest in peace. Edit: Holy crap over 3K thumbs up lol, I guess you all did the same thing that I did 😉
***** Also says the lovely tree spirit, I wonder how well did that turn out. I bet if the choice you do carries to blood and wine they both probably turns out to be boss fights on the level of caretaker, not that is bad.
I took the rose because I felt it was better for her to pass on rather than remain as a tormented spirit haunting that mansion with two creatures trapped with her. So in my opinion Iris being freed from her torment and Olgierd leaving his past behind him to start a new life knowing that Iris still loved him is the best ending.
avirx8 Same. Looking at it, I saw it to be really pointless to let her continue on existing in the world like that. She doesn’t even seem like she wants to stay there.
I could not take the rose from her. First, because it was the equivalent of killing her. I could not decide that for her. Second, because as I understood it, she was not suffering more than a normal human. The painted world made her relive her life with Olgierd. That life included the good and the bad, like any other life. Who was I to decide that her life was so terrible that it had to end? If I was to kill everyone who was going through a life more horrible than happy, I would have to slaughter half of Velen, starting with the children. And it´s not like Iris was sick, or dying. If anything, she was healthier than anyone, seeing how she literally cannot die, and all she feels is the need to sleep. This situation cannot be interpreted as a merciful killing. Perhaps killing Iris was worth it to free the two demons trapped with her, but they are not creatures whose suffering I can comprehend. While they are not having a party, they keep faith that perhaps someone else will come around to free them. Personally, the optimal end for this would have been Olgierd gathering his courage to go and free Iris himself. But I guess we won´t know if he´ll ever get around to do it unless there is a Witcher 4...
@@katamariroller2837 Must people don't see it as killing but rather releasing her soul for it to depart to the afterlife instead on it being bound to a world where she is almost eternally unhappy.Geralt has done this many times with other wriaths and people who have overstayed their welcome in the world of the living because they are bound by pain and anger.The Wither universe has established that their is an afterlife well at least in the game as I haven't read the books yet.
A very tragic story because he himself did it and killed his love, but I chose to release her and bring a new life back to Olgierd as an ordinary man. And I ended my end so.
@@katamariroller2837 bit of a necropost 😅. Way I saw it, unless there was a way to get Olgiert into the painted world, she could never get a satisfactory closure of their relationship by staying and reliving same memories. While some of them might of been good, the result was always him being unable to love her anymore. There is a saying if you don't like how you feel change your attitude or your circumstances, taking the rose off her kind of felt like she was letting go of the toxic marriage she ended up in, even if she still had some feelings for him. I doubt that they could be happy together even with the curse broken, there's been too much hurt and damage they have inflicted on eachother.
I made this choice as well, but it was not the best one. I don't think she deserves to be in limbo forever, reliving her nightmares over and over again. I don't think Olgierd would be able to help her.
+MsWannabeGamer you could be right, although I think defeating her greatest fear will make the painted world a better place for her than it was, and it was hard for me to force her out of it since she didn't seem to want it, or at least wasn't sure
+MsWannabeGamer I chose taking the flower ending and freeing the animals because i knew in my first playthrough i would side with olgierd at the end. so storywise it made sense to get the hint from the cat/dog and then challenge gaunter. On my next playthrough i will side with gaunter and let her keep the rose(my second playthrough will be like the "darker" version of the story where she stays in ilmbo forever and ilgierd loses his soul).
I took the rose, I felt like I was watching someone on life support but braindead. Something like that isn't living, it's one of the fates worse than death.
This entire quest kind if reminds of the Robin Williams movie “What Dreams May Come”, where he enters a painted world in the after life he dies that was painted by his wife. And after he died, she died and committed suicide out of depression and loneliness. So he has to go through Hell and try to save her soul because they were soulmates and linked eternally. Wonderful movie and wonderful quest.
Woah. You are the first other person I've seen make that connection. Every time I bring that movie up to friends or anyone most people have never even heard of it. It's up in my hidden gem favorites for sure next to big fish and cloud atlas.
For sure! That movie is definitely one of my all time favorites and so underrated. It is definitely my favorite Robin Williams performance. It was one of his first non-comedic roles.
My one criticism of Olgierds last wish is that it didn't have as much impact on the story as I felt it should have. In my head at least there should have been different endings after you save him depending on what you did with Iris. I think a more interesting way to handle it would be like this: 1) take the rose, Olgeird is freed from O'Dimm but because he no longer has a heart of stone he is then filled with unbearable pain and grief that there no longer is anything left tying her to this world, so he has no chance to reconcile with her. He chooses then to impale himself with his own sword killing him since he longer is immortal. Geralt then takes his body and buries him next to Iris, remarking that maybe they're finally together in peace in the afterlife (if there is an afterlife). I like this because it harkens back to that one quest on fyle isle where you reunite the two lovers, and seems a very fitting end. 2) You leave the rose with Iris, after saving him from O'Dimm Olgeird remarks he actually is happy you did this, saying he has a chance to reconcile with her before she fully moves on. It could end there but frankly it's not that satisfying so I think instead Olgierd tells Geralt to meet him at his house in a few days for a reward. You go there and discover him holding the actual rose, saying that he was able to speak to his wife, reconcile with her and let her finally rest and that he longer is filled with grief and is ready to start anew, with her blessing. He then gives Geralt his sword, and they both bid farewell. I like this one because even though you technically made a "bad" choice, it eventually proves to be a good choice in the end and allows Olgierd to come to terms with his past.
Such a great idea! I'd even say, that the sword should be always the reward, but be differently statted depending on your choices. Let them reconcile and the sword will add a almost unhearable laughter of two lovers to the background noise when equipment. Choose the path in which he impales himself, you hear a slightly more audible widows cry every now and then when equipped, but the sword is much stronger. I also think that O'Dimm should reward you better: The riches are pure shit, the Ciri-ending is a great touch, but offers very little reward when you can also just google it and the only viable of the other choices is the saddle, since it actually is the best saddle in the game. I'd say give us all the items when we help O'Dimm and then we get to choose another reward that impacts the game (maybe Geralt always choosing right when picking the Ciri answer, or some new sign when choosing power or actively making Axii stronger when choosing more charm or giving us anything that actually impacts the gameplay on a major level. I like the DLC but it really sucks at rewarding you with anything but a phenomenal storyline
This is why I always let him die. if the guy really was remorseful he'd want to die for what he did to his loved ones. Instead we've just helped the guy who murdered his brother and manipulated his fiancé.
@@vanyadolly What would him dying accomplish? The best he could've done for them is to live on the best he can and try to redeem himself. Also doesn't Gaunter torment his soul forever if you let him die?
Nope. Took the rose. As someone who is still trying to get over a huge bad decision and hurt that came from it, if someone could take away the one thing that was making me cling to my past, I would be eternally grateful. freeing her is better. Again coming from someone trying to get over a bad decision I made in the past
PaganWolf exactly, we’ve all had to get over bad decisions, it’s certainly not special enough to warrant mentioning specifically (as though it affords some kind of unique authority on the subject) and then stating again just in case anybody missed it. It went from explaining his personal perspective, to something a bit more narcissistic - and pathetic
This is possibly the most complicated moral decision of the whole game, this expansion is short (comparing it with the second) but it has a greater and deeper emotional charge. A true masterpiece this game.
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Yes agreed. This storyline was a roller coaster. And Iris has to be the most sympathetic character I've met in a game for ages. A complete innocent victim in the whole mess.
That's what I love about TW-franchise: no mindless hack&slash or run&gun, but story, characters and difficult decisions with often bittersweet conclusions. No clear-cut good and evil, but moments that challenge your mind. Honestly, I didn't like the combat and RPG elements of TW series that much (not to forget getting stuck in doorframes etc. and the teleporting horse), but I loved the world building, the attention to detail and artwork, but also the music.
yes but that dog tells you the most important thing when you free him wich is to seek the mirror that can be broken and that is something the professor doesn't tell you about gaunter
It is one of those "free the tree spirit or not" moments where you can't really see which is the definite good option. I played with my "good" Geralt and picked this because of how the choice was phrased. If it had been phrased like "I don't care about you, only the rose" then I would have picked the other one.
Part of the curse meant that Olgierd was void of emotion that he once had. Thus having a Heart of Stone. I felt that it was only right to take the rose to cease their suffering, even if that meant being sucked into the dark void of the unknown. I just had to help Olgierd, who yes, has done terrible things in his life with his brother, but i felt it a duty to help anyone who was unfortunately cursed by the Evil Incarnate. I felt a connection with Olgierd as we had both been tricked by a sinister being who preys on those in need of help. Of course many other victims will continue to have the misfortune of meeting the mirror man and the cycle will continue for his quest to gather souls.
I think taking the rose is the best option (just personal opinion of course). The whole thing with the rose binding her to this world (which let us not forget is a dream world which has served mostly as a torment, and we don't even get any kind of confirmation that just because Geralt defeated the nightmare that will mean Iris is free of it in this world forever) just makes me think of the way wraiths are bound to the world through certain objects. Yet getting rid of them never seemed like a moral dilemma. I think it's better to let all this come to an end and give Iris rest (and I think the whole flower blooming line if you take the flower supports this). And given that if you take the "good" option of saving Olgierd from O'Dimm, it is assumed that eventually they would be reunited after Olgierd's eventual death.
There seem to be many ways to get rid of wraiths in this game's universe, either force them to move on by destroying them, or solve their unfinished business and allowing them to move on by themselves. I think that applies to this situation, though in the long term both choices lead to the same place.
@@pavkata9568 Humans and Vampires are different species in the witcher universe so Regis has always been a Vampire, Regis even mentions how Vampires have a different way of seeing death than humans because of their immortality(unless another vampire kills them). And he stayed in that somekind of void since he wasn't dead at all but most likely his body got destroyed until Dettlaff helped him Regenerate.
@@aquantikyt9272 oh, thanks for correcting me, it looks like i havent read the books or played the other games, because all of his talk about being reborn and all got me thinking he was a human, sorry
@@pavkata9568 no problem xD, I haven't read the books yet so I also probably missed a lot of things too. And for what I understood, Regis has always been a higher vampire even before the conjunction of the spheres, thou I could be wrong so no worries cx
@@TheDanaArchives Yea, if there would have been the option to even just implant the idea in Olgierd while saying farewell and hear one line from him hinting at that might happening this would have catapulted the story straight to my favourite of all time. Still loved this dlc and I choose to believe he returned to her at some point(plain to see they still deeply cared for each other).
Olgard was in anguish. It wasn't just what he did to his wife, it was what he did to everyone when he couldn't feel a thing. He became a man that he never was. I saw the damage was already done so I took the rose. I honestly had no idea Olgard was even a good man until the curse was lifted. So I spared my life to save his from Oduinn.
Oh god, this is overly depressing. I actually took the rose from her in my play through and it seemed to be like she wanted to keep it and I was unsure about my action, but after seeing this I'm so glad to know that I did the right thing. but anyway if you go for this option and if u save Olgierd, then maybe there's a chance she will get to meet him.
Reading the comments I feel bad. I took the rose thinking that I was ending her suffering. But ending her means that Olgierd can never see her again. She makes me cry. Her sensitive calm voice makes me want to hug her and console. The women has been through hell and I couldn't do anything about it 😭😭
I felt pity on the 'demons' here, there's no indication they are malevolent and were just summoned and bound. Iris isn't going to recover and living a half life stuck in a lonely world would eventually become torture, especially after Olgierd dies of old age or whatnot.
If we took the painting instead, is it possible that Olgierd may visit her in the painting world and took the rose by himself ? I've been thinkin of this
Agreed. I left the rose behind because I thought maybe there was still a way to get Olgierd back to her. Or even just visiting her in the painting again to get some closure. Anyway it wasn’t for Geralt to decide. As for the “animals”, though, I think they were a bit too shifty, probably up to something more than “just be free”, so I left them with Olgierd, too.
I really don´t remember how it was but, we found her body. She died. She was in some weird limbo in which I don´t think both would be happy to live in.
Sirris Mendoza Sunless Realms She never really dies because Olgierd made a pack with Master Mirror to make him and Iris immortal. Now that taking away the rose, which means severing her only tie with Olgierd, would probably leads to her demise. Anyway it wasn’t Geralt’s call if there was still a slight possibility to let Olgierd handle this. It’s a mess, true. But it’s THEIR mess.
@@eddiecollins7665 He didn´t ask for inmortality but rather "Live like there is no tomorrow." Gaunter made him a Heart of stone out of that, allowing him to eat as much as he likes, to kill as much as he likes, to drink... he made him "a thing"
Am i the only one who thinks that Iris looks and sounds just like the doll from BloodBorne? Lol whenever she talked i could only of her qoute "Let the echoes become your strenght"
The only thought that keeps me from not getting the Rose is the possibility that Olgierd might join Iris in the Painted World and be together as she was always wishing for.
I always take the rose.... Not all demons are evil, as seen in other games like Dragon Age. Some spirits like Cole aren't purely evil, and find their purpose in the real world. I wanted to free Iris, and the spirits from the endless cycle they were in...
Speaking of hard decisions in the game. this and the ciri-becomes empress-witcheress decision. this quest hit me right in the feels, felt really sad for iris she is so beautiful-noble and faithful to Olgierd.
I took the rose. I couldn’t bear to leave her like that after witnessing what she’s going through for such a long time. Moving on to what’s next in life will always be scary and uncertain. But sometimes that is the best choice for us. To live again and see what’s next.
It's first time to play the DLC and I just finished her quest. Man I can barely holding my tears for her. The way the characters changed by time due to the events that happened in past, how much had she suffered, this quest will stuck in my memory
Wish there was an option to leave the rose with her and bring Olgierd (AKA Curt Hawkins but booked strong) to her after I saved him from Gunter to let them say a last goodbye
I let her keep the rose because regardless of whatever anyone says, I tell myself that Olgierd eventually travels to this painted world and they get some semblance of a happy ending. I believe he can because he still very clearly loves Iris and feels remorse, not to mention he has delved into the occult before. It might not actually happen, but I believe CD projekt red left it open ended so we as players could fill in the blanks. Fabulous DLC, really felt for the characters and enjoyed the story! Love this game
I had a theory that if I let her keep the Rose i could tell Olgierd about her ghost and he could go see her bc Iris believed geralt was Olgierd at first. Maybe if Olgierd could enter the painting as Geralt did and conquer Iris' fears it could bring better closure but I guess not.
Always loved quests like this where you go in to people's creations/their mind. Reminds me of the quest in Oblivion where you go to find the man missing in his own painting. I also LOVED chatting with the cat and dog, idk why
I felt bad for the demons trapped with her for some reason, also, they just assume there is the void no one knows what happens after death. The only thing we are certain of is that she will relive her past forever. Therefor I chose to let her disapear
after letting O'Dimm kill Olgierd I always regretted it and I felt like I let him down. He didn't always have a heart of stone... but it does make me sad knowing Iris had to watch his transformation and downfall
I found this to be the best decision. I couldn't in good conscience send someone into oblivion (a fate about which we know nothing) by taking from them their most cherished possession. As tormented as she was, memories of the good times with Olgierd still seemed to ignite something in her after all those years. I couldn't just take the rose and deprive her of that. Some people see it as putting her out of her misery, I see it as ending the existence of a human soul, someone who loved, laughed, cried... by taking away the object most important to her. Even she was unsure, as if clinging to the last sliver of happiness from her life was worth the suffering. After all, what else did she have? Also I didn't trust those animal demons. Their unwillingness to be more open about who they were and where they were from made me suspicious of their true intentions. Can't say for sure if granting them freedom would have been a good thing or a bad thing.
AndHoldTheMayo ok forget the demons but your saying that you would rather be mad wraith that kills evrywone that comes close and be alone in your own sad memories then facing death. WTF its just not logicall and its like being a fcking coward are you so afraid of death that you are willing to become a wraith THAT IS ENDING HUMAN SOULS!!!because your a mad killer only because you were a coward and dint want to die and for you to be uuh not even happy (because your stuck in bad memories) people that were living lives die thats a stupid choice
Hassasin She hasn't been killing anyone. the caretaker killed a few people but as long as you stay away from that ominous disturbing house you'd be safe.
AndHoldTheMayo but still its not worth it I think. I had my time to think some more and decided to say that Im sorry for my comment and that that is just your opinion and that I have no right to say that your opinion is false. its just a game and this was your choice
I felt her pain throughout the whole journey she loved and yurned for her husband even after death and we saw that when she asked about his wellbeing also when she said '' oh so he still has a heart of stone '' I thought she was speaking metaphorically only to know at the end he literally had a heart of stone which made him lose all emotions and thus his love for his beloved wife and despite that she still cared for him and loved him , her love was pure and when I learned that she died in her bed staring at the flower that was a momento of her husband love while sorrow and agony ate her away that hit me hard like I was legit sad poor wife :( , what a quest it was... And I love how the devs made her husband seem like such a jerk and pushed you to hate him, only to reveal that he was the victim of an ancient terror that feeds on human souls... What a depressing story , he sacrificed his brother so he can be with the woman that he loved only to realize later that the same sacrifice that he made is going to be the doom of her and him. Lost his brother, wife and everything because he made a pac with the devil himself. But I gotta say this was one of the few times where a character actually scared me , especially when you walk to the bar to meet him and he freezes time I was like '' what have I got myself into , this guy is not to mess with'' but eventuality when my doubts about him were confirmed by the professor I had to take him down because he was just gonna keep doing it to other desperate people and finds his way to devour their souls. Although the husband made a terrible decision by making a deal with that demon he didn't realize what he was getting himself into as well as he was a bit of a prick but that wasn't enough to watch him get devoured by the demon , taking down the bigger evil took priority for me.
I just finished this quest and did this but immediately reloaded to take the rose and give her peace… yet rewatching this makes me think on the choice again… I like to think that if you leave the rose with her and save Olgierd, he will then enter the painted world and free Iris himself. If there was a short story about him as the main character it couldn’t be any other way. He needs to make amends and fix what he’s done before actually starting a new life. Though leaving her doesn’t feel right and the struggle on Geralt’s face is so… real… I think he wouldn’t be able to make the choice either. I wish there was a direct dialogue of Geralt alluding to Olgierd visiting Iris and finally freeing her to make up even for a tiny bit all the pain he brought upon her, though she seemed to know a little bit about what he did to bring them together… Such a beautiful and sad story…
this is the only option ( i check it like 100 times) when olgierd understand his mistake that iris truly loved him the tint of his voice becomes so sad,a man with true sorrow
I felt like this was the most important decision in the whole game. It encapsulates what Geralt wants to be. Every other decision comes to this. You don't try to decide what's better for others, because you don't know what's better for them. You can't predict the future and ends don't justify means. You try to help people. You try to do what you know is right in the moment and can only hope for things to go right. Yes, she suffers a lot, but is "euthanasia" the best decision here? She is still afraid of death, she still wants to see Olgreid. If you take the rose you are denying her the chance to see his eyes for the last time. You are denying Olgreid the chance to visit her inside the painting, the same way you did, to let her go and close that chapter of their lives. I have no regrets at all for leaving without the rose. I'm convinced I did the right thing.
I didn’t wanna take the rose initially but I did in the end because I figured what might last in the afterlife for her would be better then reliving her nightmares constantly.
I personally liked syanna the most, she is a hot woman. I know her character seems to be bad at the beginning but she had to go through such pity that i forgive her
This game is perfection. No game has ever ingaged me so much into it's world. That is what true story telling and gaming should be. Something you appreciate and never forget
The major reason, why I took the violet rose from her was just to free her from the pain. It felt so good after releasing her, from the pain she endured since long time
Everyone's saying 'taking the rose is best, it'll end her suffering', but will it? Iris already said she doesn't know if it'll end her suffering, and whether she will suffer more in the void, and Geralt also says he doesn't know if it'll end her suffering. We could be condemning her to a worse fate by taking the rose.
I feel as though making this decision alone is an evil choice but I also feel that choosing to save Olgierd's life while letting Iris keep the rose is not a bad ending. After saving Olgierd you can imagine he turns his life around and that painting of Iris with the rose becomes his sole memento that keeps him on his track of being a good person. I'm not saying its the best ending but it surely couldn't be the worst.
i disagreement with those guys who think take the rose is the best chose for the lady rest in peace, as geralt's vampire friend said there nothing after dead, just the deep dark cold empty world. so if you think she may rest in peace the answer is no, she will fall in that dark cold world. Sending the picture to her husband makes it possible for her to be with her husband as her wish is my most emotional option
What's the point of living in a misery world, also she's not dead but also didn't alive she trapped there and no one will come after her her but geralt. Cold dark world is a way to express unconsciousness after died meaning memory are no longer matter, no need emotion to feel, and no desire to do
"Eyes the Devil would be proud to have". Even in death, even after all the suffering that Olgierd gave to her, she stills loves him, even the dark on his heart.
I did let ler keep her the rose during my 2nd playthrough but currently during my 3rd playthrough, I think that she does not deserve this sadness and that she should be free, all that happened isn't her fault!! So, I took the rose from her and let he be free into the void😌
I hesitated almost for 30 mins to make a choice. :( This was really hard. First time, I made her keep the rose, Second time, I took the rose. Both were reasonable and made me depressed.
I finished this masterpiece 8 times so far,the way we hate Olgierd at start and end up loving him at the end is something that will stay with me for the rest of my life,never judge a book by its covers
I let O'Dimm kill him and it was genuinely bothering me. I felt like I failed Olgierd or let him down, I felt a lot better playing it again and saving him.
Thank you for showing this, made me glad to have chosen to keep the rose and not feeling bad and depressed to send back poor Iris to her "dreams" which sounds more like an eternal state of sorrow and loneliness.
Iris made me feel actual pain from a character. Unbelievable.
For me it's Olgierd, like wow. I SAVED HIM GODDANG.
alphaandliarize I haven't played this game in so long, but yeah this DLC was amazing. Blood & Wine was perfect though.
I can't believe how this game made me feel for the bloody baron. He had such dimensionality that despite being basically an awful fucking person, we feel for him. I'm playing the game now for the first time and holy shit blood and wine is amazing.
Jean Ocasio I know I accidentally played the wrong way and the baron hung himself out of sadness.
The innocent kids die, but so do the mother of the crones(the evil tree spirit) she is practically more evil than the crones, and if you free it....Good luck.
If this was in Witcher 1, Geralt would've definitely banged Iris before leaving that dream world
If this was the witcher 2 geralt would've done some quests for her
Then Bang her
And in Witcher 3, what Geralt supposed to do is to fulfill her wish, and ask for a round of gwent.
@Vince Mcmahon nope cjs doing it
@Vince Mcmahon What the fuck is Vince doing here?
@@huanglong08 Gwent > ploughing
Taking the rose from her is best. As much of a great character that she is, letting her finally rest in peace is the better ending.
Yeah. She's afraid that she'll cease to exist, but the game showed us before that being dead ain't even that bad. I mean, look at Vlodimir, he was dead and yet he seemed alright, if a little bored. Same with the other Van Everecs whose spectral asses you kick.
Anyway, anything is better than that weird limbo she "lived" in.
you do realize she actually is dead? only "lives" on through painting? her actual real physical body is already half decomposed on her bed and the rose is literally the only thing that's binding her to stay in that realm instead of completely being sent to "the void" where the dead go to
Dead dont go into "the void" in the witcher. They become ghosts, that (in most cases) dont interfere with the realm of living beings.
The Homunculus is this confirmed fact? even so, comprehending the story, we still can't be sure
Sungjun Yi It's stated in the game, that the dead live in a different realm. They can enter our realm on their own, but if they do, they become inhumane beasts. Some magicians can interact with the oher realm and talk and summon the dead.
"Iris. . .what a mess *we* made of it all. . ."
Oh did Iris make deals with a demon and play around with dark magic?
Did Iris killed her own father and let Vlodimir die? .d
But she pushed him to do it, she was aware and didn’t condemn it
@@emilyrose9723 I saw that in another video but I completely missed that in my playthrough. I never saw anything that implied she took part maybe I missed the dialogue option? Or I'm dumb lol, why did he lock her out of the room when he was doing magic if she knew about it? Did O'Dimm take her soul? Or I guess if she was a mostly moral person he would've left her alone but it seems weird that O'Dimm would work for 2 people (knowing that these things were also Iris's desires) and not take a payment from her.
Well actually I forget he does literally what you ask so he would've known Iris would become trapped in the home and that could've been her "payment".
@@seaschulainn when he locked her out of the room he was trying to find a way to end the pact with o'dimm not start it, also when you choose to tell her that her husband has a powerful enemy the way she words it implies that she was okay with her husband making a pact with o'dimm but neither one of them knew of the consequences at least not all, they knew that olgierd had to sacrifice vlodimir
Probably one of the saddest parts in the entire game, going through her (Iris') memomies...
+Corristo89 yes
+NEMESIS1999 I don't think it has a major impact
+Bill Kelly The one that hit me the most was Geralt finding Ciri and thinking she was dead...
+Corristo89 Though the saddest part of the entire game was walking out of Kaer Morhen to the front gate at the end and realizing it's done...it's really done...Geralt's story....No real way to interact with any of your friends you've fought so hard to save throughout the entire game.
+Supra Beyond blood and wines ending made me sad. the very end geralt looks at the camera and just smiles like "its all over"
" Eyes the devil would be proud to have"
Lady you don't know the half of it...
Awesome foreshadowing on CD Projekt Rekt's part.
am i missing something what is CDPR foreshadowing? care to explain to an idiot like me?
Oğuzhan Keyifli (G)unter (O)'(D)ymm is pretty much hinted at being The Witchers' verion of the Devil himself. You find out that all he's after, are human souls and Olgierd's time to pay, has come. If you choose to help G.O.D, he takes his soul ==> his eyes.
Oğuzhan Keyifli (G)unter (O)'(D)ymm is pretty much hinted at being The Witchers' verion of the Devil himself. You find out that all he's after, are human souls and Olgierd's time to pay, has come. If you choose to help G.O.D, he takes his soul ==> his eyes.
The whole "Hearth of stone" is made on polish folklore ;) Kinda like whole Witcher franchise. Anyway, check "Pan Twardowski', there should be eng wiki for him :)
"You've got a rose?"
"Even better: The PAINTING of a rose !"
Jack sparrow lmfao
No!
Captain Jack
Aye
Its just me or Olgierd totally looks like David Beckham?
SO THATS WHY HE LOOKS FAMILIAR! hit the right spot there
+poyozo doll He does. I also think he looks quite similar to Tom Hardy. It's especially clear in the earlier parts of this quest where he sports just a mustache. Looks like Hardy's role as Charles Bronson in Bronson.
Didnt u know that? Olgierds character model was based on David Beckham. Theres a video from David who visit the studio from the witcher to portay him.
that explains a lot
He looks like a mix between Beckham and Fassbender.
Olgierd is such a brilliant character.
An asshole quite sophisticated to fill complex feelings about a tourmented past... such a "Witcher Character".
Him with Gaunter... I think this DLC quest was much more interesting than Wild Hunt and Eredin quest.
The DLC's had some of the best "villains" in any video game.
I say the Wild Hunt was more interesting as it had Yennefer, Ciri and the others, but as a character Olgierd, Volodimir, and Shani are more interesting than Eredin and his gang, that's 100%
Wild hunt was great but it was the classic good guys vs bad guys. But this DLC is more real I think. We see Olgierd as a heartless villain in the beginning, but later completely change our perspective knowing his true past. That’s the beauty of storytelling. I think CDPR realized this and made their DLCs a lot more morally ambiguous
The entire hearts of stone was better than bandw and the base game storywise.... but gameplaywise not so much
Eredin is the Alduin of the witcher
most people made that choice. I didn't. I felt it was wrong. She needed to pass one. The house also died, and the "animals" were happy for that. Here, she even suggests that this was a dubious choice.
+41Djfu#lksdkjfd Yes, I took the rose, she needed to move on, finally rest
+41Djfu#lksdkjfd Yea same here :)
She did....but choosing for her didn't feel right. If she didn't want to die and wasn't hurting anyone, then I feel like I have no right to take the rose and kill her.
As for the animals....they are demons so fuck em.
Perhaps it is dubious, but Geralt shouldn't be the one to make Iris pass on. That task belongs to Olgierd.
yeah I kinda thought it was more kind to take the rose and let her die, she's fucking miserable.
Iris' quest is one of the most beautiful in the entire history of videogames.
you are bitch for sure
@@GAMINGBLAZE fuck off
@@sneaksies8931 Andrea is name of bitch she's definitely one, that's all I'm saying.
@@GAMINGBLAZE ok and who asked
@@sneaksies8931 I'm an independent guy I can say anything about anyone.
"Eyes the Devil would be proud to have." Damn. Knowing what O'Dim actually is and wants - and the fact that Iris doesn't know how appropriately literal that statement is - makes that line so disturbing.
i dont know if gaunter is Purely evil he does not fool geralt or anything and did help find yen also olgeird wanted to be happy by wishes gaunter says those kinda people dont deserve it meanwhile geralt has worked his ass off so partially screw olgeird
He gave Olgierd exactly what he asked for, he should have worded his wishes better, the phrase *"be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it"* comes to mind.
@@lucifers.morningstar3805 nah gaunter just want to have fun ,look heart of stone is side effect which olgeird never asked
@@diggedboy2333 O'Dimm gave Olgeird exactly what he asked for, the problem is that Olgeird should have phrased his wishes better. Olgeird wished for money, power, and to live like there is no tomorrow, O'Dimm gave him exactly that Olgeird did not choose his words carefully and so O'Dimm was free to grant the wishes however he wanted...... Which is an example of "be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it."
Spoilers 😡
I took the rose, felt that it was the best and she can finally rest in peace.
Edit: Holy crap over 3K thumbs up lol, I guess you all did the same thing that I did 😉
+MrXxsesshomaruxX The animals also wanted to be free, i also felt it was for the best.
pantox ESEA Apparently the animals are demons but they didn't seem evil to me, they also warned me about Odimm.
+MrXxsesshomaruxX Odimm also didnt seem evil at the start ;) so was that plague madien wraith in keira's quest.
Sephelutis Lucifus But they revealed themselves while the cat and the dog left without causing me trouble, they never showed any ulterior motives.
***** Also says the lovely tree spirit, I wonder how well did that turn out. I bet if the choice you do carries to blood and wine they both probably turns out to be boss fights on the level of caretaker, not that is bad.
I took the rose because I felt it was better for her to pass on rather than remain as a tormented spirit haunting that mansion with two creatures trapped with her. So in my opinion Iris being freed from her torment and Olgierd leaving his past behind him to start a new life knowing that Iris still loved him is the best ending.
avirx8 Same. Looking at it, I saw it to be really pointless to let her continue on existing in the world like that. She doesn’t even seem like she wants to stay there.
I could not take the rose from her.
First, because it was the equivalent of killing her. I could not decide that for her.
Second, because as I understood it, she was not suffering more than a normal human. The painted world made her relive her life with Olgierd. That life included the good and the bad, like any other life. Who was I to decide that her life was so terrible that it had to end? If I was to kill everyone who was going through a life more horrible than happy, I would have to slaughter half of Velen, starting with the children. And it´s not like Iris was sick, or dying. If anything, she was healthier than anyone, seeing how she literally cannot die, and all she feels is the need to sleep. This situation cannot be interpreted as a merciful killing.
Perhaps killing Iris was worth it to free the two demons trapped with her, but they are not creatures whose suffering I can comprehend. While they are not having a party, they keep faith that perhaps someone else will come around to free them.
Personally, the optimal end for this would have been Olgierd gathering his courage to go and free Iris himself. But I guess we won´t know if he´ll ever get around to do it unless there is a Witcher 4...
@@katamariroller2837 Must people don't see it as killing but rather releasing her soul for it to depart to the afterlife instead on it being bound to a world where she is almost eternally unhappy.Geralt has done this many times with other wriaths and people who have overstayed their welcome in the world of the living because they are bound by pain and anger.The Wither universe has established that their is an afterlife well at least in the game as I haven't read the books yet.
A very tragic story because he himself did it and killed his love,
but I chose to release her and bring a new life back to Olgierd as an ordinary man. And I ended my end so.
@@katamariroller2837 bit of a necropost 😅. Way I saw it, unless there was a way to get Olgiert into the painted world, she could never get a satisfactory closure of their relationship by staying and reliving same memories. While some of them might of been good, the result was always him being unable to love her anymore. There is a saying if you don't like how you feel change your attitude or your circumstances, taking the rose off her kind of felt like she was letting go of the toxic marriage she ended up in, even if she still had some feelings for him. I doubt that they could be happy together even with the curse broken, there's been too much hurt and damage they have inflicted on eachother.
I know it's 5 years late but just wanted to say I really wanted to give her a hug after that mission.
I know ;[
Playing through that part of the story late on a quiet night. Can't really describe how it felt.
Just the same happened to me.. had me thinking about life
I did the exact same
Just my opinion, but i gotta say, Iris is one of the most beautiful female characters i have seen in a videogame
I made this choice as well, but it was not the best one. I don't think she deserves to be in limbo forever, reliving her nightmares over and over again. I don't think Olgierd would be able to help her.
+MsWannabeGamer you could be right, although I think defeating her greatest fear will make the painted world a better place for her than it was, and it was hard for me to force her out of it since she didn't seem to want it, or at least wasn't sure
+MsWannabeGamer I chose taking the flower ending and freeing the animals because i knew in my first playthrough i would side with olgierd at the end. so storywise it made sense to get the hint from the cat/dog and then challenge gaunter. On my next playthrough i will side with gaunter and let her keep the rose(my second playthrough will be like the "darker" version of the story where she stays in ilmbo forever and ilgierd loses his soul).
+xLetalis and you release essentially two demons (cat and dog) into the wild...this might have repercussions in blood and wine.
+Sephelutis Lucifus Maybe in a side quest, since the two expansions can be bought and played separately.
yeah but olgierd was a bitch and sent geralt to do his dirty work instead
I took the rose, I felt like I was watching someone on life support but braindead. Something like that isn't living, it's one of the fates worse than death.
This entire quest kind if reminds of the Robin Williams movie “What Dreams May Come”, where he enters a painted world in the after life he dies that was painted by his wife. And after he died, she died and committed suicide out of depression and loneliness. So he has to go through Hell and try to save her soul because they were soulmates and linked eternally. Wonderful movie and wonderful quest.
Woah. You are the first other person I've seen make that connection. Every time I bring that movie up to friends or anyone most people have never even heard of it. It's up in my hidden gem favorites for sure next to big fish and cloud atlas.
For sure! That movie is definitely one of my all time favorites and so underrated. It is definitely my favorite Robin Williams performance. It was one of his first non-comedic roles.
My one criticism of Olgierds last wish is that it didn't have as much impact on the story as I felt it should have. In my head at least there should have been different endings after you save him depending on what you did with Iris. I think a more interesting way to handle it would be like this:
1) take the rose, Olgeird is freed from O'Dimm but because he no longer has a heart of stone he is then filled with unbearable pain and grief that there no longer is anything left tying her to this world, so he has no chance to reconcile with her. He chooses then to impale himself with his own sword killing him since he longer is immortal. Geralt then takes his body and buries him next to Iris, remarking that maybe they're finally together in peace in the afterlife (if there is an afterlife). I like this because it harkens back to that one quest on fyle isle where you reunite the two lovers, and seems a very fitting end.
2) You leave the rose with Iris, after saving him from O'Dimm Olgeird remarks he actually is happy you did this, saying he has a chance to reconcile with her before she fully moves on. It could end there but frankly it's not that satisfying so I think instead Olgierd tells Geralt to meet him at his house in a few days for a reward. You go there and discover him holding the actual rose, saying that he was able to speak to his wife, reconcile with her and let her finally rest and that he longer is filled with grief and is ready to start anew, with her blessing. He then gives Geralt his sword, and they both bid farewell. I like this one because even though you technically made a "bad" choice, it eventually proves to be a good choice in the end and allows Olgierd to come to terms with his past.
Such a great idea! I'd even say, that the sword should be always the reward, but be differently statted depending on your choices.
Let them reconcile and the sword will add a almost unhearable laughter of two lovers to the background noise when equipment. Choose the path in which he impales himself, you hear a slightly more audible widows cry every now and then when equipped, but the sword is much stronger. I also think that
O'Dimm should reward you better: The riches are pure shit, the Ciri-ending is a great touch, but offers very little reward when you can also just google it and the only viable of the other choices is the saddle, since it actually is the best saddle in the game. I'd say give us all the items when we help O'Dimm and then we get to choose another reward that impacts the game (maybe Geralt always choosing right when picking the Ciri answer, or some new sign when choosing power or actively making Axii stronger when choosing more charm or giving us anything that actually impacts the gameplay on a major level. I like the DLC but it really sucks at rewarding you with anything but a phenomenal storyline
This is SUCH A GOOD IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well hopefully olgierd doesn’t get attacked by the monsters in the painted world when he gets in lol.
This is why I always let him die. if the guy really was remorseful he'd want to die for what he did to his loved ones. Instead we've just helped the guy who murdered his brother and manipulated his fiancé.
@@vanyadolly What would him dying accomplish? The best he could've done for them is to live on the best he can and try to redeem himself.
Also doesn't Gaunter torment his soul forever if you let him die?
Tim Burton would love this.
somebody show this to him please
@@andrewpremacio6233 And then let him make a movie out of it
Seriously, I got major Tim Burton vibes from this entire quest!
It’s like a mixture between Tim burton and Coraline. Especially when the world starts to disappear.
This was a hard ass decision to make.SO what i did was press the 1 and 2 keys at the same time and left it up to chance
Haha haha that's amazing. I always have to Google and see what other people did.
me too, haha
That's like she placed her fate in your hand and you said "oh I can't decide let me flip a coin".
made me laugh, gj :D
This is not a game,I am telling you.Its a real magic
Shut up and go back to your cave
Nick Yes, my good sir. I will.
@@Nick-qi4yf ok
Nope. Took the rose. As someone who is still trying to get over a huge bad decision and hurt that came from it, if someone could take away the one thing that was making me cling to my past, I would be eternally grateful. freeing her is better. Again coming from someone trying to get over a bad decision I made in the past
And you free the puppy and kitty
I didn’t care about Iris. I only wanted to free the dog and the cat.
The Wankhatter He's relating the game to real life. The characters are meant to be relatable to ourselves. You're the dumb fuck here
PaganWolf exactly, we’ve all had to get over bad decisions, it’s certainly not special enough to warrant mentioning specifically (as though it affords some kind of unique authority on the subject) and then stating again just in case anybody missed it. It went from explaining his personal perspective, to something a bit more narcissistic - and pathetic
Dimplesock Tickletit fucking hell its a RUclips comment
"Goodnight stranger, you must leave-"
NOT BEFORE A ROUND OF GWENT I ASSURE YOU
This is possibly the most complicated moral decision of the whole game, this expansion is short (comparing it with the second) but it has a greater and deeper emotional charge.
A true masterpiece this game.
Yes agreed. This storyline was a roller coaster. And Iris has to be the most sympathetic character I've met in a game for ages. A complete innocent victim in the whole mess.
This was one of the saddest part in the game.
it is indeed
That's what I love about TW-franchise: no mindless hack&slash or run&gun, but story, characters and difficult decisions with often bittersweet conclusions. No clear-cut good and evil, but moments that challenge your mind. Honestly, I didn't like the combat and RPG elements of TW series that much (not to forget getting stuck in doorframes etc. and the teleporting horse), but I loved the world building, the attention to detail and artwork, but also the music.
3:07 its a 1000 degree knife that pierced you bruh
The Lixãum yo
Jinzama what
Jinzama x
xD
Damn the trend from 3 years ago lol
"I need coin, can you paint me some Van Roghs to sell?"
A difficult choice... I feel a little better that I made it after I realized that I could save Olgierd... otherwise it would've been worse
yes but that dog tells you the most important thing when you free him wich is to seek the mirror that can be broken and that is something the professor doesn't tell you about gaunter
+Roki Ak true
+xLetalis she looks like triss with black hair. triss face different hair xD
It is one of those "free the tree spirit or not" moments where you can't really see which is the definite good option. I played with my "good" Geralt and picked this because of how the choice was phrased. If it had been phrased like "I don't care about you, only the rose" then I would have picked the other one.
Part of the curse meant that Olgierd was void of emotion that he once had. Thus having a Heart of Stone.
I felt that it was only right to take the rose to cease their suffering, even if that meant being sucked into the dark void of the unknown.
I just had to help Olgierd, who yes, has done terrible things in his life with his brother, but i felt it a duty to help anyone who was unfortunately cursed by the Evil Incarnate. I felt a connection with Olgierd as we had both been tricked by a sinister being who preys on those in need of help.
Of course many other victims will continue to have the misfortune of meeting the mirror man and the cycle will continue for his quest to gather souls.
She just needs A hug
yes, a big one
I think taking the rose is the best option (just personal opinion of course). The whole thing with the rose binding her to this world (which let us not forget is a dream world which has served mostly as a torment, and we don't even get any kind of confirmation that just because Geralt defeated the nightmare that will mean Iris is free of it in this world forever) just makes me think of the way wraiths are bound to the world through certain objects. Yet getting rid of them never seemed like a moral dilemma. I think it's better to let all this come to an end and give Iris rest (and I think the whole flower blooming line if you take the flower supports this). And given that if you take the "good" option of saving Olgierd from O'Dimm, it is assumed that eventually they would be reunited after Olgierd's eventual death.
There seem to be many ways to get rid of wraiths in this game's universe, either force them to move on by destroying them, or solve their unfinished business and allowing them to move on by themselves. I think that applies to this situation, though in the long term both choices lead to the same place.
Remember how Regis describes death to us as a unrelenting bitter cold, iris was scared that was what death was gonna be.
Well wasn't he a Vampire? I feel like he doesn't get to talk
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 no, he was a normal human before his death (cant remember how he died) and detlaff resurected him with his own blood
@@pavkata9568 Humans and Vampires are different species in the witcher universe so Regis has always been a Vampire, Regis even mentions how Vampires have a different way of seeing death than humans because of their immortality(unless another vampire kills them). And he stayed in that somekind of void since he wasn't dead at all but most likely his body got destroyed until Dettlaff helped him Regenerate.
@@aquantikyt9272 oh, thanks for correcting me, it looks like i havent read the books or played the other games, because all of his talk about being reborn and all got me thinking he was a human, sorry
@@pavkata9568 no problem xD, I haven't read the books yet so I also probably missed a lot of things too. And for what I understood, Regis has always been a higher vampire even before the conjunction of the spheres, thou I could be wrong so no worries cx
I did not take the rose because I was hoping that Olgeird would go back and visit her 😢. I don’t know if he ever did
Exact same reason as me, a real shame they didn't add that to the story
@@TheDanaArchives Yea, if there would have been the option to even just implant the idea in Olgierd while saying farewell and hear one line from him hinting at that might happening this would have catapulted the story straight to my favourite of all time. Still loved this dlc and I choose to believe he returned to her at some point(plain to see they still deeply cared for each other).
Olgard was in anguish. It wasn't just what he did to his wife, it was what he did to everyone when he couldn't feel a thing. He became a man that he never was. I saw the damage was already done so I took the rose. I honestly had no idea Olgard was even a good man until the curse was lifted. So I spared my life to save his from Oduinn.
It feels like I'm talking to a dark souls character when I'm talking to iris
Same here
Iris just needed a hug.
Oh god, this is overly depressing. I actually took the rose from her in my play through and it seemed to be like she wanted to keep it and I was unsure about my action, but after seeing this I'm so glad to know that I did the right thing.
but anyway if you go for this option and if u save Olgierd, then maybe there's a chance she will get to meet him.
Exploring Olgeird House was creepy with that Wrait giving jump scares
I could never understand how you could keep Iris in that painting. She did nothing wrong, she doesn't deserve eternal punishment.
Not sure if letting the demons out would have ended up worse...
@@mcknghtn they weren't bad natured demons
Wish they had a happy ending.
For me, it's the chance that she could see her beloved again. Especially if you go for the good ending.
I took the rose to end her pain. I'm glad you posted the alt scene so it could be seen.
my pleasure
Reading the comments I feel bad. I took the rose thinking that I was ending her suffering. But ending her means that Olgierd can never see her again. She makes me cry. Her sensitive calm voice makes me want to hug her and console. The women has been through hell and I couldn't do anything about it 😭😭
Geralt made an NFT of Olgierd's wish
I felt pity on the 'demons' here, there's no indication they are malevolent and were just summoned and bound.
Iris isn't going to recover and living a half life stuck in a lonely world would eventually become torture, especially after Olgierd dies of old age or whatnot.
That ambient music is SO deep and nostalgic
If we took the painting instead, is it possible that Olgierd may visit her in the painting world and took the rose by himself ? I've been thinkin of this
I'm not sure... I suppose it is
Agreed. I left the rose behind because I thought maybe there was still a way to get Olgierd back to her. Or even just visiting her in the painting again to get some closure. Anyway it wasn’t for Geralt to decide. As for the “animals”, though, I think they were a bit too shifty, probably up to something more than “just be free”, so I left them with Olgierd, too.
I really don´t remember how it was but, we found her body. She died.
She was in some weird limbo in which I don´t think both would be happy to live in.
Sirris Mendoza Sunless Realms She never really dies because Olgierd made a pack with Master Mirror to make him and Iris immortal.
Now that taking away the rose, which means severing her only tie with Olgierd, would probably leads to her demise. Anyway it wasn’t Geralt’s call if there was still a slight possibility to let Olgierd handle this. It’s a mess, true. But it’s THEIR mess.
@@eddiecollins7665 He didn´t ask for inmortality but rather "Live like there is no tomorrow." Gaunter made him a Heart of stone out of that, allowing him to eat as much as he likes, to kill as much as he likes, to drink... he made him "a thing"
Am i the only one who thinks that Iris looks and sounds just like the doll from BloodBorne? Lol whenever she talked i could only of her qoute "Let the echoes become your strenght"
The only thought that keeps me from not getting the Rose is the possibility that Olgierd might join Iris in the Painted World and be together as she was always wishing for.
I always take the rose....
Not all demons are evil, as seen in other games like Dragon Age. Some spirits like Cole aren't purely evil, and find their purpose in the real world.
I wanted to free Iris, and the spirits from the endless cycle they were in...
If you were still alive, Nihilus, you'd have made a feast out of both Olgierd's and Iris's souls.
Nihilus, what are you doing here
RT
Read the post Lycan, then try again.
"Not all demons are evil" lol what
Speaking of hard decisions in the game.
this and the ciri-becomes empress-witcheress decision.
this quest hit me right in the feels, felt really sad for iris she is so beautiful-noble and faithful to Olgierd.
Think about it like this : if you help Olgiert and don't take the rose, then they'd be able to see eachother again. He just has to enter the painting.
I took the rose. I couldn’t bear to leave her like that after witnessing what she’s going through for such a long time. Moving on to what’s next in life will always be scary and uncertain. But sometimes that is the best choice for us. To live again and see what’s next.
i made this choice soley because we meet olgierd looking at art, then and now two different reactions.
This is arguably the best stage of the entire Witcher 3
Olgierd's mansion is so creepy for me, but the painted world turns out to be even scarier
1:14 Oh Geralt. :(
It's first time to play the DLC and I just finished her quest. Man I can barely holding my tears for her. The way the characters changed by time due to the events that happened in past, how much had she suffered, this quest will stuck in my memory
Wish there was an option to leave the rose with her and bring Olgierd (AKA Curt Hawkins but booked strong) to her after I saved him from Gunter to let them say a last goodbye
Lmao I love how Geralt says "farewell" ,then turns and stomps away
I let her keep the rose because regardless of whatever anyone says, I tell myself that Olgierd eventually travels to this painted world and they get some semblance of a happy ending. I believe he can because he still very clearly loves Iris and feels remorse, not to mention he has delved into the occult before.
It might not actually happen, but I believe CD projekt red left it open ended so we as players could fill in the blanks.
Fabulous DLC, really felt for the characters and enjoyed the story!
Love this game
i get your point but i disagree lol, for me it felt like its was a trapped wraith.
“What a mess we made of it all”
Iris: WE??! Wtf do you mean WE, YOU MADE THIS MESS. I’m no longer saddeness, I’M angriest
I was crying , i feel so bad for her ,for character from the game.
I understand
I had a theory that if I let her keep the Rose i could tell Olgierd about her ghost and he could go see her bc Iris believed geralt was Olgierd at first. Maybe if Olgierd could enter the painting as Geralt did and conquer Iris' fears it could bring better closure but I guess not.
I fucking love this game the story in it is so amazing. Ill nominate this shit for an Oscar movies suck.
Always loved quests like this where you go in to people's creations/their mind. Reminds me of the quest in Oblivion where you go to find the man missing in his own painting. I also LOVED chatting with the cat and dog, idk why
I felt bad for the demons trapped with her for some reason, also, they just assume there is the void no one knows what happens after death. The only thing we are certain of is that she will relive her past forever. Therefor I chose to let her disapear
The only love story I did not mess up. Olgierd was faster than me.
Damn this whole story arc made me feel so bad for Iris. She deserved better. A lot better. Breaks my heart she couldn't have a happy ending.
after letting O'Dimm kill Olgierd I always regretted it and I felt like I let him down. He didn't always have a heart of stone... but it does make me sad knowing Iris had to watch his transformation and downfall
@xLetalis it's too bad that Olgierd couldn't enter the painting to be with Iris.
I found this to be the best decision. I couldn't in good conscience send someone into oblivion (a fate about which we know nothing) by taking from them their most cherished possession. As tormented as she was, memories of the good times with Olgierd still seemed to ignite something in her after all those years. I couldn't just take the rose and deprive her of that. Some people see it as putting her out of her misery, I see it as ending the existence of a human soul, someone who loved, laughed, cried... by taking away the object most important to her. Even she was unsure, as if clinging to the last sliver of happiness from her life was worth the suffering. After all, what else did she have? Also I didn't trust those animal demons. Their unwillingness to be more open about who they were and where they were from made me suspicious of their true intentions. Can't say for sure if granting them freedom would have been a good thing or a bad thing.
AndHoldTheMayo ok forget the demons but your saying that you would rather be mad wraith that kills evrywone that comes close and be alone in your own sad memories then facing death. WTF its just not logicall and its like being a fcking coward are you so afraid of death that you are willing to become a wraith THAT IS ENDING HUMAN SOULS!!!because your a mad killer only because you were a coward and dint want to die and for you to be uuh not even happy (because your stuck in bad memories) people that were living lives die thats a stupid choice
Hassasin She hasn't been killing anyone. the caretaker killed a few people but as long as you stay away from that ominous disturbing house you'd be safe.
AndHoldTheMayo but still its not worth it I think. I had my time to think some more and decided to say that Im sorry for my comment and that that is just your opinion and that I have no right to say that your opinion is false. its just a game and this was your choice
I felt her pain throughout the whole journey she loved and yurned for her husband even after death and we saw that when she asked about his wellbeing also when she said '' oh so he still has a heart of stone '' I thought she was speaking metaphorically only to know at the end he literally had a heart of stone which made him lose all emotions and thus his love for his beloved wife and despite that she still cared for him and loved him , her love was pure and when I learned that she died in her bed staring at the flower that was a momento of her husband love while sorrow and agony ate her away that hit me hard like I was legit sad poor wife :( , what a quest it was... And I love how the devs made her husband seem like such a jerk and pushed you to hate him, only to reveal that he was the victim of an ancient terror that feeds on human souls... What a depressing story , he sacrificed his brother so he can be with the woman that he loved only to realize later that the same sacrifice that he made is going to be the doom of her and him. Lost his brother, wife and everything because he made a pac with the devil himself. But I gotta say this was one of the few times where a character actually scared me , especially when you walk to the bar to meet him and he freezes time I was like '' what have I got myself into , this guy is not to mess with'' but eventuality when my doubts about him were confirmed by the professor I had to take him down because he was just gonna keep doing it to other desperate people and finds his way to devour their souls. Although the husband made a terrible decision by making a deal with that demon he didn't realize what he was getting himself into as well as he was a bit of a prick but that wasn't enough to watch him get devoured by the demon , taking down the bigger evil took priority for me.
i stared at the screen for 30 min i shit you not... couldnt decide what to do
gelul12 tell me what ending u got in blood and wine
Oney Parata killed dettlaf the rest is alive :) with yennifer ending
(⁎⁍̴̛ᴗ⁍̴̛⁎) good for you! At least you make the right decisions.
I just finished this quest and did this but immediately reloaded to take the rose and give her peace… yet rewatching this makes me think on the choice again… I like to think that if you leave the rose with her and save Olgierd, he will then enter the painted world and free Iris himself. If there was a short story about him as the main character it couldn’t be any other way.
He needs to make amends and fix what he’s done before actually starting a new life. Though leaving her doesn’t feel right and the struggle on Geralt’s face is so… real… I think he wouldn’t be able to make the choice either.
I wish there was a direct dialogue of Geralt alluding to Olgierd visiting Iris and finally freeing her to make up even for a tiny bit all the pain he brought upon her, though she seemed to know a little bit about what he did to bring them together…
Such a beautiful and sad story…
What? How?
"stares into his soul for a millenium"
At first i didn't know what to do but now that i know the other path of the option, I'm glad i took the rose and set iris and thise other spirits free
F Olgierd; I took the rose to make the (demonic) BABY KITTY happy. lol
this is the only option ( i check it like 100 times) when olgierd understand his mistake that iris truly loved him the tint of his voice becomes so sad,a man with true sorrow
I felt like this was the most important decision in the whole game. It encapsulates what Geralt wants to be. Every other decision comes to this. You don't try to decide what's better for others, because you don't know what's better for them. You can't predict the future and ends don't justify means. You try to help people. You try to do what you know is right in the moment and can only hope for things to go right. Yes, she suffers a lot, but is "euthanasia" the best decision here? She is still afraid of death, she still wants to see Olgreid. If you take the rose you are denying her the chance to see his eyes for the last time. You are denying Olgreid the chance to visit her inside the painting, the same way you did, to let her go and close that chapter of their lives. I have no regrets at all for leaving without the rose. I'm convinced I did the right thing.
I didn’t wanna take the rose initially but I did in the end because I figured what might last in the afterlife for her would be better then reliving her nightmares constantly.
I think Iris is much better looking than Yennefer maybe even Triss. Iris looks like Katie Mcgrath from Merlin
Still have to stick with Yen but Iris is sad lovely
not even close to triss
Robert Reed i prefer the duchess anna henrietta. Love her accent. Too bad you couldnt romance her.
I personally liked syanna the most, she is a hot woman. I know her character seems to be bad at the beginning but she had to go through such pity that i forgive her
This game is perfection. No game has ever ingaged me so much into it's world. That is what true story telling and gaming should be. Something you appreciate and never forget
Leave the Rose so Olgierd can go there and find a way to get her out....
The major reason, why I took the violet rose from her was just to free her from the pain. It felt so good after releasing her, from the pain she endured since long time
00:16: Is there any way we can help and free the male dog's and female cat's spirits?
Everyone's saying 'taking the rose is best, it'll end her suffering', but will it? Iris already said she doesn't know if it'll end her suffering, and whether she will suffer more in the void, and Geralt also says he doesn't know if it'll end her suffering. We could be condemning her to a worse fate by taking the rose.
I feel as though making this decision alone is an evil choice but I also feel that choosing to save Olgierd's life while letting Iris keep the rose is not a bad ending. After saving Olgierd you can imagine he turns his life around and that painting of Iris with the rose becomes his sole memento that keeps him on his track of being a good person. I'm not saying its the best ending but it surely couldn't be the worst.
When Geralt suddenly found himself talking to a dark souls character.
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disagreement with those guys who think take the rose is the best chose for the lady rest in peace, as geralt's vampire friend said there nothing after dead, just the deep dark cold empty world. so if you think she may rest in peace the answer is no, she will fall in that dark cold world. Sending the picture to her husband makes it possible for her to be with her husband as her wish is my most emotional option
What's the point of living in a misery world, also she's not dead but also didn't alive she trapped there and no one will come after her her but geralt.
Cold dark world is a way to express unconsciousness after died meaning memory are no longer matter, no need emotion to feel, and no desire to do
"Eyes the Devil would be proud to have". Even in death, even after all the suffering that Olgierd gave to her, she stills loves him, even the dark on his heart.
indeed
Having to relive the same tragic past every day is a fate worse than death, I’m taking the rose and keeping Iris (sword) by my side instead!
After what he did to Iris, I had no intention of saving Olgierd
I save olgried just because Iris, i did it for Iris
I did let ler keep her the rose during my 2nd playthrough but currently during my 3rd playthrough, I think that she does not deserve this sadness and that she should be free, all that happened isn't her fault!!
So, I took the rose from her and let he be free into the void😌
"Eyes the devil would be proud to have"
Oh if you ONLY knew.....
''Olgierd, I wish to be with Olgierd. To gaze again into those eyes, eyes the devil would be proud to have.'' Damn. These lines has stricken me hard
I hesitated almost for 30 mins to make a choice. :(
This was really hard.
First time, I made her keep the rose,
Second time, I took the rose.
Both were reasonable and made me depressed.
2:26 can somebody please tell me the music in the background
I finished this masterpiece 8 times so far,the way we hate Olgierd at start and end up loving him at the end is something that will stay with me for the rest of my life,never judge a book by its covers
well said
um olgierd was evil before his heart was turned to stone... there is no reason to 'love' him, he's still a pos.
I let O'Dimm kill him and it was genuinely bothering me. I felt like I failed Olgierd or let him down, I felt a lot better playing it again and saving him.
I let dim kill him too only because he had it coming with the dice he rolled working with dim
@@DDubzzz I agree with you that's why I did it the first time. But I had that portrait of him and Iris in Corvo Bianco and it was breaking my heart
Thank you for showing this, made me glad to have chosen to keep the rose and not feeling bad and depressed to send back poor Iris to her "dreams" which sounds more like an eternal state of sorrow and loneliness.