Its important to not to negate Maya's experience. She may look Latina to us but we are only a handful of people compared to who she has met in her lifetime. The entire colorism conversation is very important and should be treated as such.
I am a white Cuban girl who married into a south Asian family. They glorify our child and constantly brag at how “light” he is within his south Asian family. On the contrary, my family did not like my husband because he is “dark” to them and they used to say things like “what a shame”.....its so wrong....I genuinely fear for my child when he gets older because this video mentioned bullies and my son definitely looks more south Asian than white....I wish the world was not this way...
Maya is not saying she looks white, she’s saying she faced LESS discrimination compared to her darker skinned brother... that’s EXACTLY what COLORISM is.
she used the word 'passing" which means she thinks she passes for white if you pass as something people think you are that thing thats not rocket science
Snuff Daddy the word “passing” doesn’t mean you necessarily think you look white it mean that in relation to other people of color you can pass as “other” or something else in closer proximity to whiteness. Black people use the term “passing” as well. do you think they use it to say they think they look white? absolutely not. it’s a term to describe your proximity to white on the color scale.
Thotimus Prime I was thinking the same thing people that are brown skin always play the maid novelas have change but for Melissa to saying she dark girl please
@May Sal The one drop rule exists in Latin America too. She is not seeing as pure white because she is a “mestiza” a person with mixed Native American and European ancestry. The lead roles in telenovelas tend to only go to pure European Latina actresses like Ludwika Paleta, and Angelique Boyer.
I think Mya was making perfect sense. When you look at the demographics of Mexico, Mya would be 'white passing," in the sense that she is lighter skinned. This is not to say that she is a Caucasian Mexican.However, compared to her brother who looks more Indigenous than her, it makes sense that in a society that praises whiteness, how Mya would feel "preferred" compared to her brother. Conversely, if she was in a room with an actual White Mexican w/ pure European ancestry, she might receive less preferential treatment than her white counterpart; As being Caucasian in Mexico, is the standard of beauty, and social class. I am black, and this is common in our community too. Very dark skinned Black people get treated worse by society; mixed and light skinned Black people get put on a pedestal because of their proximity to whiteness; and of course, White people get the best treatment in society b/c they're white. I notice that colorism mentions the Afro-Latino experience. Can we also speak on the Anti- Indigenous sentiment in some Latin countries? I feel that sometimes both experiences get conflated. Being brown (indigenous) is a different experience from being a Black (African) Hispanic person.
You are so right. It saddens me that darker skinned people are looked down on. My family is Native and in Mexico they have always discriminated the indigenous for their skin and facial features, but others are praised for having pale skin. It’s just sad that we are in 2020 and people still receive discrimination 😔
Thank you for talking about indigenous people! Its been bothering me that Pero like never talks about it. I know talking about black latinos is important but the experience of colonization and racism is different for indigenous people. For the latinos in Pero Like I think its important to talk about Native Americans. If you live in the U.S your living on Native American land and to never bring that up is very disappointing. They need Native Americans on the channnel.
Being light skin in Mexico like Maya is not preferred at all, but also darker skin isnt either, the ideal skin color for Mexicans is a lighter shade of brown or olive skin tone. But someone like Maya would get made fun of for being too light, but her brother would too for being too dark. Take Canelo as an example, he was actually discriminated for his skin color, his freckles and hair color. He was not praised or worshiped for being light, it was the opposite, that is because he is TOO light for the liking of the Mexican beauty standard. So this whole "light skin is preferred in Mexico" is pure nonsense, if that was the case, Mexico would have a big skin bleaching problem like it is found in black africans, african americans, black caribbeans, south asians and Asian people. Mexico doesn't have that at all because despite the beauty standard, people are still happy with their skin tone. In fact, tanning beds and tanning sprays are a bigger seller in Mexico by a large margin than skin bleaching products. Being caucasian in Mexico is not the standard of beauty LOL where do you get that from to begin with? Please dont say novelas because I will laugh if you do. The beauty standard in Mexico is having olive skin, high cheekbones, large eyes, long straight hair with a blend of indigenous and european features. Hence why most models in Mexico are MESTIZOS, and why most Edecan girls are MESTIZAS. White people get the best treatment in the USA because in this country, they make the MAJORITY In Trinidad, the ones who get the best treatment are INDIANS because they are the MAJORITY in Mexico, the ones who get the best treatment are MESTIZOS, because they are the MAJORITY
I see brown people on tv playing as poor or low class characters and I say "that's colorism," but my family doesn't say anything. I'm brown and I have, like many others, been treated differently simply because I was brown. I had a white Mexican friend and they treated her differently than I. But I wouldn't change my skin color for anything. I wouldn't change my heritage for anything. Shoutout to my fellow indigenous americans and ancestors!
I stay calling out these novels and shows, like, I know there are latinx actors a darker shade than alabaster who could play one role in this narconovela.
I kind of wonder if it's reinforced in real life, like job interviewers judging darker skinned (or fill in the blank) applicants as "unworthy" of the job.
unpopular opinion: African descendants of Cuba, PR, DR, Brazil, Peru, Panama etc. are the original creators and pioneers of Mambo, Salsa, Samba, Festejo, Reggaeton etc. through the pressures of colonialism and its aftermath. Respect it and keep steppin to it, ¿que no?🤙🏾 saludos de un indio💯 🌽🥔🌶 💯quechua y nahuatl 💯🥑🍅🌮 #soyINDÍGENAmíja #NoSoyLatinoX ruclips.net/video/Lg8Oq_Sd3Bw/видео.html ruclips.net/video/Lg8Oq_Sd3Bw/видео.html
Latin/Latino/Latina is NOT a LOOK, not a SKIN Color, NOT a DNA. Latin (Latin is the correct way in English) it's all about Romance Languages and Roman Latin Culture. Blame Mexican Chicano Frank del Olmo because he created this identity problem for you but choosing "Latino" instead of "Latin American/s" to identify your ethnicity. ruclips.net/video/jyAjG4hPckA/видео.html These are the requirements to be considered Latins. You must speak a Romance language, have Roman Latin Culture, coming from a country whose laws are based on Roman Laws and whose religion id Roman Catholic. Latin/Latino/Latina doesn't mean what you think that it means. Usdedes estan confundidos!!! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Union
I agree I'm full Mexican and I get confused with White all the time because of my complexion and green eyes. I have gotten a warning pass for speeding and my warning ticket said I was white according to the cop. My sister on the other end who has a darker complexion than I do has gotten a speeding ticket, no free warning pass like I had. That overall says a lot. I also notice when my sister and I go to stores together I noticed the people are more welcoming to me than towards my sister. It makes me so angry, yet people have the audacity to claim colorism and racism doesn't exist 🙄
IN FACT they put us as white so they could LEGALLY discriminate against us. You know we had to get to the back of the bus too right? “That’s discrimination” “no it isn’t we see you as white....no get to the back!” we had to take it to the Supreme Court to fight that shit and started the 1st go fund me in the process. Stop letting sell outs and white people trying to divide our people teach u about our history
@@macktasticification I'm speaking from experience and what i had seen for myself. I am not following from what other people had told me like the claim you made.
@@PapiGalleto bruh im "passing" and I get fucked with by cops, followed in stores, fit descriptions, etc etc so im calling bullshit. and again the idea is not racist cops or white people its fake colorism in the latino community so your examples are mute anyway. FOH
But I think that was why she said at the end that she realized she's privileged. She is very light, but in comparison to the other actresses, she was darker, and she had dark hair and eyes instead of lighter hair and eyes. So, yeah, it speaks to how in the industry, they're likelier to cast people with lighter shades of skin tones than darker ones, which is wild when you consider the average Mexican or Latinx person is much darker than she is. It really is a scale, and she's near the top, but not right at the top.
So many telenovela actresses look like her. She is super white to me. Sure some are dyed blonde but there's plenty with her skin tone. She's like porcelain. They should have chosen a much darker person to speak on this.
When schools desegregated in the US, the racist schools got around having to admit black people by admitting light-skinned Latinos in the white schools and darker-skinned Latinos in the black school. This means that if my siblings and I were born back then, my sister and I would've gone to the rich white school while my brother, who's dark-skinned and autistic, would've gone to a school that didn't get enough funding to adequately help him. Still, I was born in today's world and I still clearly see how I am privileged. I am a "palatable" Latina; not too dark and I can speak like white people. Don't invalidated our experiences just because you didn't experience it.
Same lmao but i've heard that in Mexican and other Latin American telenovelas, whenever they can't find a dark skinned person to play the help they usually pick a light skinned mestiza to do it
I am Cuban, and I was born white as the sun due to my Spanish side of the family. My hair is still dark and curly but I am often confused for Italian, that is til I open my mouth and people hear my slight accent. And something that was very interesting was that I never was felt discriminated agaisnt til I moved away from Miami where I was born and raised. And because I look so white I have felt a bit of distance from other Latinos (except Mexicans, chillest people ever, been to A LOT of cookouts and quinceaneras), because until they get to know me just a bit it's not immediately apparent that I'm Hispanic. This is a deep cultural phenomenon that isn't going to be less of a stigma unless we talk about it. Just because I'm a bit less tan doesn't mean "que mi sangre no tiene azul", just that I tend to need a lot of sunscreen while my cousins just need a quick spray down lol. And the reverse is true, my cousins have been turned down from jobs and internships just because they were darker than John "frat boy" Smith. What's important, is that we talk about this.
My family’s from Argentina and most of the people there are light skin so my whole family expect my dad is (my moms side is white and is more tied to their European ancestry). I have light skin, light brown curly hair and hazel eyes. So when my family moved to the states we were all seen as white. We never faced discrimination in Argentina bc of our skin tone but when we got to the states Latinos never saw us as Latinos I was always called names and whenever I spoke Spanish I felt like people where trying to look for when I messed up ( most of the time they couldn’t understand me bc my Argentine accent strong and we say thing differently.) But I did notice that my dad faced discrimination against him bc he has dark brown curly hair and a mediterranean tan color, I dont know if that’s right but he is just darker but people would always try and speak Spanish to him or white people would say “gracias” and other annoying stuff.
My fiance is Cuban him and his family moved from Cuba to FL when he was 10. He has green eyes blonde hair. People always think he is White until he opens his mouth then they are like what the hell are you. You are not from America. It happens to me but not from my fellow PR. It's always from other races. They are like who brought Becky. Then when I talk they are like you sound like you are Spanish & I'm like Yes I'm PR.
@@kofikofi2403 So wait, dark, curly, locks of hair, nice Mediterranean bronze, tan skin, and if he was in shape well which equals = The Latin Lover Ideal or runway "Italic Greek" beauty standard! I'm so sorry. That's so messed up because (well I know he's your dad, BUT....) that is considered extremely beautiful, handsome and sexy! Wow!!!!! No, no, no!!!! Got to love that sunglow!!!!!
Dumpster Jedi I get you. I’m a fellow Cubana and on my mom sides it’s pure Spanish descendants (so she’s white as hell and has dark hair and light hazel eyes) but on my dads side it’s kind of mixed (one of my dads grandparents was half black, his mother is Spanish and I’m pretty sure he’s got some indigenous blood in him, so of course he’s a lot darker than my mom has black curly hair and incredibly dark eyes) so my sister took after my dad in color and I took after both of them. I’m tan have dark wavy hair and have dark eyes and a big nose and lips( my sister got lucky she doesn’t have a big nose or big lips) but I’m always being thrown shade (by my lighter cousins) that I’m not dark enough or that I’m not light enough or that my skin is the perfect “Latina” color (same cousin has said all three btw) and I’m just sitting here like what the hell? What’s my skin got to do with me speaking Spanish and being from somewhere else?
Thank you for talking about this. I experienced the same in my family. I grew up as the only family member with dark complexion. I was told I was black and adopted, and not Mexican. Kids didn't want to play with me in elementary because I looked "dirty" because I was morenita. (I grew up in a small border town with mostly white Mexicans) And it didn't help that my brother is pretty pale. We look similar but different skin tones. So people didn't believe we were related. I wasn't even allowed to play in the sun as long, because I'd get darker. This needs to stop NOW.
Damn, I really feel you. Specially because I grew up in Northern Europe. I went to an all blonde and white school and girls would tell me that I was "dirty" because I was brown. It's so sad that this has to happen
bby bih so white people tell you you’re not pretty because you’re brown and that’s colorism in the Latino community? STFU wanna be apart of something sell out
Karl Quintana you say “we” as if you had anything to do with anything😂 you did nothing! your ancestry probably has a long line of incest and all that incest rage wants to make you feel important
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You're not a Latina. You're a "Latin American woman". Latin/Latino/Latina only refers to Roman Latin Languages and Roman Latin Culture. Nothing to do with Skin Color or Race. ruclips.net/video/jyAjG4hPckA/видео.html
I’ve been waiting for this - Latino is an ethnicity not a race so we come in every shade. Glad to see someone mention the inherent inequalities of this.
@@MeleeMaster22 that isn't the point. What is is that there are still different shades of skin, and colorism still applies to hispanic/latino communities.
Ser latino tampoco es una etnia. Solo son personas que hablan un idioma que proviene del latín. Ergo, latinos también son los franceses, españoles, italianos. Ser latinoamericano ES ya otra cosa. Ser latini NO ES UNA ETNIA.
I experience this all the time. Going out with wife/family. I can pass as white when im a light skin salvadorian and see how I get treated differently and look differently in stores or work. Living in the South I mess with ppl who assume I'm white all the time, to see how they really are/think. Then I pull out the Spanish and their head explodes.
Omg I love the feeling when your talking to someone with a heavy accent and you speak Spanish and they are so confused and do the whole run down of omg u speak Spanish ,where you are from, u where so light I thought u were a gringa. 😂
Lol. My mom does the same. She's even had Latino's speak bad about her in Spanish without realizing she knows everything they said. I realized there is a privilege you inherit with a parent who is white. Growing up no one ever assumed that my mom didn't speak Spanish or that she was Latina. I think when you see my mom and sister who are both white with green & hazel eyes people just assumed that I was mixed. But both of my parent where born and raised in central america. My dad just happens to have more indigenous roots than my mom. My siblings and I just go from light to dark and I am barely passing as "dark skin".
That’s exactly what it’s like with me. My fiancé is a white man and people assume that I am also a white person and get treated very differently when I pull out Spanish. My brother is significantly darker than I am with the same parents and I have seen how different they treat him.
Jorgiana Lopez my skin is a light tan color. Trust me, no one confuses me as white and I have no white privilege because I’m not white passing. But I acknowledge that even though I’m considered to be tan, I certainly have more privilege than Afro latinas and that’s a conversation we should all be having.
I'm mexican-american, and my skin is lighter than my brother and sister. And like maya said, brown is a beautiful color and i agree. My brother and sister are brown and my parents make fun of me just because my skin is lighter. Often, i laugh along with them thinking it's just a joke, but my friends get confused when i say I'm mexican because my skin isn't the same as my siblings. It makes me feel ashamed of myself for some reason and angry when my family calls me white. And even though I may not relate to the whole point of this video, I'm still really tired of it...
I cannot tell you how much I relate to this, I was bullied and still am for being a lighter skin tone than my classmates and they refuse to believe I am at least somewhat Mexican even though I speak Spanish fluently and was raised in a town very near the border. My father is fully American and my mother is fully Mexican with half of a European background so you can tell how white I would look. I completely understand what you are going through so your not alone ✨
@@user-gd5dj2nj6c 'caucasoid race' that is such an outdated and historically racist term. Her family are North Africans, they are not white and they are not perceived as white. Race is a social construct and the classifications differ around the world, but it can be seen that her family experiences discrimination for being brown and in Canada for example, North Africans have their own category and are not considered white. So yes, if her family is full of non white Egyptians then she is white passing.
@@tablecloth1943 re-read my comment i never said they were white. All i said is they have the Caucasoid skull structure. Even people from Indian have that skull structure
As a brown mexican person I always struggle with that. I'm gay and guys feel more attracted to the white ones, companies hire white people for publicity or to help in banks but the browns go to clean or to do other activities. We actually have a lot of racism in Mexico, even when most of the population isn't white. It sucks because even your family sometimes say: oh, hijo, consiguete a alguien güerita para mejorar la raza.
Crazy how different our experiences are. I got picked on in the US for being too light all the time by Latinos. Even my own Mexican family tells me to tan
I really felt the girl who said that she wanted to have "blue eyes and blonde hair" because my dad has blue eyes and blonde hair (I am more like my mom who's afro latina) and I grew up in Northern Europe where everyone has those features plus girls at school bullied me for being Mexican. I remember thinking that I wanted to not go in the sun a lot and I wanted to dye my hair blonde and use blue contacts. Looking back I think how messed up it is that little children are thinking that stuff. Also I wouldn't define maya as "white passing" tho, she's lightskin for sure, but she looks Mexican. Every skin tone is beautiful ✌🏻✌🏼✌🏽✌🏾✌🏿
So sorry about your experience. I wish you lots of love! I'm also Mexican on my mother's side, but I have Native, European and Black in me. I moved to Germany recently. 😊
There’s NOT such a thing as “white passing”. Latino is not a race therefore if you’re white and speak Spanish you’re just white. Hispanics need to stop getting brainwashed by American politicizing beliefs. The girl in the video is clearly just metizo but just as Italians have moor decent and are consider white a person could have some indigenous heritage and also be white. It’s not a matter of looking Nordic or not being white, just look at most of Southern Europe.
MEN Kae It depends though. I have friends who have one indigenous parent and one white parent, and they look more like their white parent. Hence, they are “white passing” because although they are mixed they pass as white.
I strongly believe that this is important to talk about. With that said I just think the Hispanic/Latino has many problems when it comes to skin color. “Your are never enough”. . . . All I’m gonna say this is all absolutely true, every word. I think we should talk about skin bleaching or the Afro-Latino movement.
This here hit me pretty hard. My moms family is straight up taino roots from PR. My dads family is all colonized rican with blonde hair and blue eyes. I have a twin brother and im darker, My older sister is so white she constantly is seen as Caucasian. I grew up with people asking me if i was found in a dumpster and just adopted for pitty. Thats here in the USA. In puerto rico ive never had that problem anywhere. When I go on vacation there and Im called negrito its in a loving tone. Not like here in the states
I’m glad you said this. I’m a black American person with no Hispanic decent and I believe that it’s really an American thing but when I talk to white people about it they make me feel like I’m making things up in my head or something
Why others just can't embrace others because of their personality and actions versus letting someone's skin color determine how to approach & treat them is just weird !
Is because the USA is divided by skin colors idk why they are so stuck in classifying people by skin color like the color of ur skin in USA is a main topic almost every week
I’m tan/dark skin. Am I like the only one that hasn’t felt discriminated by my skin color? I have gone to schools where it was mostly blacks then mostly white. Actually I’ve felt the most judged by my own Mexican family when it comes to skin color. I KNOW FOR SURE that if I was in Mexico, I would probably feel different about my skin tone. But here in the US I have never really felt like my skin color was bad or that I wished I could changed it.
Colorism most definitely exists in America, black community included. I believe (well know) that colorism is perpetuated not by whites, but by minorities. WE’RE the ones that perpetuate the idea of lighter being better. That’s why you always hear minorities (especially those of darker skin complexions) fetishize light-skinned/mixed babies with curly hair and light eyes.
It really does depend the area you live in. Personally, I grew up in a pretty Latino area, so I didn’t really see it that much. However, once I moved to a whiter area I know that I have personally seen people treat my darker skin Hispanic friends with more indigenous feature differently than my lighter skin/more European looking Latino friends. My darker friends would always get Mexican jokes and made fun of for having smaller eyes, while my lighter skin Latino friends never experienced that.
No your not the only one diana I'm taino puerto rican like redbone type and i can honestly say whether in puerto Rico or brooklyn new york I've never faced any discrimination and my relatives are all colors none of us ever had a problem in my opinion white privilege don't exist any where especially today in america
That’s just school. I bet You will face it when it comes to making $$ like buying property in certain neighborhoods, applying for certain jobs, trying to start a business, getting certain customers, trying to get your kids in certain schools) basically when you become a full fledged adult.
@@realSimoneCherie No i haven't I'm 35 years old and worked in all kinds of neighborhoods. Again to me this video is full of false propaganda to serve afro centrism which is nothing but bullshit and its why we the hispanic community will never be as strong as we can be especially in america this is an example of wanting to be black when we're not to say there's white privilege in our community is a laughable joke. I live in new york i see all types of hispanics succeeding
I've lived in Canada and Mexico. When I found out that my family and I were moving to Canada for a while, I was scared to face racism because of the color of my skin, I was in my teen years. Now as an adult, I've experienced more racism here in Mexico than in Canada.
When I first moved to the mainland (12 years old), I was told by SO many classmates that I'm too white to be Puerto Rican. While it's kind of annoying to hear, I just can't get mad about it because it's absolutely nothing compared to the colorism that my fellow darker skinned Puerto Ricans and other Latinos will experience.
You should have told your classmates that being Puerto Rican or latina isn't a race, is a culture. A latin country can have people of many shades of skin colors. For example, i'm from Argentina and you can find white, mixed or darker skin people. There's asian and black latinos too. So being latino doesn't have anything to do with race.
Me and my sister's have different dad's...her dad has more European and my dad is afro-latino...I grew up browner/darker with kinky curly hair wider nose and fuller lips and people couldn't believe I was related to her... believe it or not I went thru alot...thanks for making this video!
Growing up I was very insecure about my light skin, thinking I wasn't latina enough because I wasn't darker. I was treated differently in the latinx community and also the caucasian community. It's a truth that's difficult to accept because i didn't want my white privilege. I felt guilty because I didnt have to face all the problems darker latinos face. But I recognized my privilege and will continue to use it to help others the best way possible. I hope others who maybe went through something similar will also use it to help. So glad this is being talked about!❤🇵🇷
Can we stop referring to the latin community as Latinx community? This term...it just seems like it was coined by someone who doesn't understand the language and culture.
I love that you guys are talking about this! One thing though, is that I wish it was translated in Spanish because it’s hard to translate things like this to our parents who don’t speak English and who would benefit from hearing about this to help them start unlearning some of the things they’ve believed their whole lives and hopefully to stop the cycle of perpetuating these racist beliefs.
Thank you for this video!! Our older generation doesn't see it that way. I was explaining to mom my issue with Mexican television. It's something she never really noticed.
We love our novelas and don't think about the subtle messages they're sending us. Once you see it, you can't stop noticing it. We have to start getting our elders and the next generation to discuss it so they can recognize it and create change.
It's not older generation, it's anyone born raised in Latin America. It's why you use eurocentric terms to start with like Latino rather than mestizo because of colorism in Latin America
Ojberretta Berretta I wrote Latinx to be more inclusive of our fellow transgender and non binary Latin people. It has nothing to do with disrespecting our language and culture. I’m just trying to include all people. Have a great day ☺️
@@isabellagonzalez5695 while you think you include lgbt ppl....because u dont know or understand the spanish language...you are actually excluding around 650million ppl...because they cannot pronounce the word....so...you are insulting our language and culture...because it was gringos who do not value respect or understand our language who invented the word...so do you exclude 650mio ppl to include a tiny miniscule minority who do not understand the spanish language..because they think its excluding...its not excluding anyone....while latinx excludes 650mio ppl whos mother tongue is spanish
This is so true, every time this topic comes up this is my main response. Because of the color of my skin, I haven’t been treated the same as my brown skin friends, family, etc. I always get questioned when I speak Spanish because till this day it’s STILL shocking for some to see that latinx, etc comes in a variety of skin colors. Everyone is beautiful, we all need to learn more
I’m 94% indigena and I came to the us @4 yrs old, I spoke my native language, I did not speak Spanish or English, so I learned it here... I learned English faster than Spanish because my mom didn’t speak Spanish either! So my Hispanic counselor told my mom that she HAD to stop talking to me my native language and learn Spanish and English.... I understand that but why did she not push me to learn all 3 together!!! All throughout growing up Hispanics around me would talk bad or make “native” speakers ashamed that we are not “Hispanic” enough and then we have to deal with Americans assuming that all we do is speak Spanish !!! That’s why it was so hard to identify is a hospanic or Latina because the Hispanic community( kids in school, adults around me) would always make me ashamed that I spoke my native toungue and that I’m indigena... also they accused me of acting brings because I caught on to English faster... I hated seeing people like me especially in school system down south where I can tell that other kids spoke native languages and the Hispanic kids would tease them to the point that they would say they didn’t speak their language that they came from “ el capital” where more Spanish is spoken. I hated that part of my life but I have learned to embrace my culture and I’m trying to learn mam again🤍
This is a VERY important conversation to have, especially to those of us who benefit from colorism like myself. We need to acknowledge the privilege and understand how it affects others who don’t.
Question Everything it’s very important to understand that it’s not an even playing field, even in 2020. If not these conversations would be of no relevance. There’s systemic racism in more forms than just being able to ride a bus. That does not cover any type of ground and isn’t even near the top of the iceberg.
Man , I remember growing up Latino in a all black neighborhood was not fun at all as a kid. I’m glad this is being talked about because whenever I hear conversations on racism it’s always whites vs everyone else. My brown butt experienced prejudices more from the 70s and 80s living in black neighborhoods. I remember when my local corner store used to give out credit to all the black folks but when my dad (Afro Latino) would ask for the same courtesy he was told to go find himself a better deal in a Chico store !!! That’s not to go with the constant window replacing and teen groups outside the lot next door screaming “ Mira Mira “ !!!! As I got older I would then go to middle school where I had to leave the black neighborhood to a white hood. There were times that about 20 to 30 grown white men with baseball bats and hockey sticks were waiting outside for us young teens chasing black brown and yellow teens to bash us so we won’t go into their neighborhood. Finally , I went to PR were I was not judged for my skin tone but was judged because of where I came from. America is not viewed upon older PRicans based on prejudices faced here in America from both sides so they ended up coming back....now as PRicans from the states your considered more of a traitor than anything. All this white vs brown vs black in PR is something that I never experienced in my day to day livings in the island. But here in the states racism prejudices exist big time in white brown and black communities. My only beef is that all groups need to claim their part in this race hatred that exists. Let me start by saying latinos can have prejudice views .....there out there !!! Now , I need someone from another race or ethnicity to come out and say we too have prejudices and move forward. Everyone is guilty as far as I’m concerned !!!
@Yah Girl Not very common , but possible. There has to be this kind of Situation: 1. Be the majority of the minority group 2. Share the same socioeconomic status where the other group is just marginalized as you are. 3. Deny any support & resources, as well as antagonize the minority community within your community .
Jacky Star And vice versa. The issue is the crabs in the barrel. Black and brown don’t have any sort of real power and those in power have successfully divided the groups by making them believe that the other is the problem.
Maya may look a certain way to us because we are use to seeing her on Pero Like and we know she's Hispanic but if she were to change her brows, wear a lighter lipstick and straighten or even lighten her hair, she would look more Euro and that is "passing". This is done all the time especially when one's skin is light enough. These people can take advantage of their "Proximity to Whiteness". A darker Latino may not be able to take advantage simply because their skin. That's what Maya was explaining when she was compared to her brother.
Yes, you're right. We can tell she's Latina because we see people who look like her in our families and our communities. But she can pass for a white person with dark hair and dark eyes. One of my daughters has dark brown hair, fair skin and freckles. When she went off to college, she was shocked that some people thought she was white, but people in our own community would know right away that she's Mexican American.
💯 and I can speak to that as well, until someone sees my name lol. If I let my hair go natural people always ask me if I am biracial. If I go straight with blonde highlighted hair people have no clue what my background is and never ask or question me.
And speaking up MUST ALSO HAPPEN AT HOME and when family members are showing unacceptable behaviors. We must start these conversations in the home, especially with the prevalence of colorism in our communities.
So many people have constantly assumed I was Caucasian. Some people wouldn't believe me when I would tell them I was Latina; I would have to prove that I was. I actually wished I looked more Latina. Once, an asshole was talking to me, insulting and discrimination the Latin community, not realizing I'm Latina. He was very shocked when I defended the Latin community, revealed I was Latina and cussed him out in Spanish. I understand I have more privileges and opportunities than darker skinned Latinos; it breaks my heart that they don't get equal opportunities. This definitely needs to be talked about more.
I think that’s basically true in a lot of communities. Most lighter skin hispanics want to look more hispanic same for lighter skin blacks. Being Dominican i think colorism was hard. Hair texture as well. Loving your skin. Skin color does not define culture
I'm Argentinian and grew up in Australia in a really Anglo-Saxon neighbourhood. I am white with some Middle Eastern and Indigenous ancestry. My sister and brother are darker than I am (my brother had racial slurs from people who thought he was from India). Even though I was the lightest skinned child, I remember really wanting to be as white as my best friend, who was blonde, pale, and had blue eyes. I remember once looking at the scar tissue of a scab I'd picked off on my arm and saw how white it was and thinking - if I scab up my whole body and peel it off in a few weeks, maybe I'll be able to be as white. Colourism is real... I also have the same issue with people not believing I'm South American because I have olive skin and green eyes. It hurts because I wasn't really ever accepted as properly 'Australian' either (and that's a can of worms I won't be opening here). But at the same time, I absolutely understand the privileges I have because of that.
I am glad this is being discussed. I’m fair complected and with light eyes but the rest of my family is dark skinned. They call me guera or guerita. It makes me feel a part from them. I am a proud Latina and proud of my culture so when I’ve had friends or acquaintances say the most Mexican thing about me is my name, it’s hurtful. Being clocked as white is not necessarily derogatory but definitely feels exclusionary especially coming from other Latinx people. Maya’s experience especially not speaking Spanish resonates.
I’m glad you guys made a video about this. I feel like people don’t understand me when I tell them I identify more with my race than my ethnicity. I’m latina, yes, but I’m an indigenous woman and that identity is more important to me than being latina. I relate far more with indigenous peoples that don’t share my same culture than I do with white latinos because of the experiences I’ve had.
Nomacehualpoyohuan V No I understand that blood quantum is extremely controversial and divisive. I was using the percentage to demonstrate that I am not ambiguous looking, I am very clearly indigenous to the majority of people I come by in my day to day life.
Your self loathing. If there was a guy who was 80% white and 20% black and said what you said hed be called a sell out and a trump voter. Learn to love yourself SISTER!
Snuff Daddy I understand what you’re saying, and I do love myself in spite of the colorism of the latino community that I grew up in. It took me many years to come to terms with my ancestry and my history and recognize that I am an indigenous person. No one looked favorably on me because I had brown skin. I was told I “looked poor” like a “farmer”. I do recognize that I am also 4 percent white, and the rest I’m black, and I support black people and I stand in solidarity with all people. However, the experience I have had has been one of an indigenous person and I can’t deny myself that fact simply because I am also latina.
I am a very light skin Latina. When I was growing up I always felt and was told I was less Mexican than my peers. I hated being light skin and still do to this day. But I do realize I haven’t faced racism in the same way as my friends and family. I am so glad someone like you maya is talking about this and educating people. Thank you! ❤️
I appreciate how we’re beginning to have this conversation. I can say now that after facing discrimination so long based just on my skin color, that I truly love myself for all that I am. I love my deep dark brown tanned skin. My black curly hair. My dark brown eyes. These features make me happy now, and I wouldn’t want to change them for anything else.
I feel this video so much. I appear to be racially ambiguous and my experience as a Mexican Canadian is vastly different. I can't imagine what it feels like to endure this injustice
My family is very racially ambiguous as well! I’m the most white-passing out of all of them, but even then I’ve been labeled different things than my actual background. It’s frustrating lol. I still benefit from colorism no doubt, but I’m just stating my own experience of ambiguity as well lol.
I feel lucky that I grew up loving my brown skin. I’ve definitely experienced instances of aggression and colorism that affected my confidence, but think I was raised in a way which encouraged me to embrace and love my skin
THANK YOU for making this!! So many of the people in our community don’t understand these concepts especially the lighter skinned folks and having this conversation can educate people in how to raise awareness about colorism in our inner circles and families
This is such an important conversation to have and to keep having! Pero Like is always opening up the conversation and I’m so grateful for your platform in doing so! ❤️
When she said “ ay que mejorar la raza” by marrying someone whiter than you I’ve never thought about it that way because i thought of that statement as you have to marry someone who is Mexican and not someone of another ethnic group.
it’s absolutely disgusting how dark skinned Latinos on Instagram will ridicule light skinned Latinos and immediately call them Europeans, Spaniards colonizers. I’m a fairly dark skinned Mexican and I never go off on anyone because of my skin. We are all Latinos, we go through the same bullshit as our light skinned brothers and sisters go through. All color is beautiful.
I know this is old but it's so true. Colorism def exists towards darker skinned ppl but thats no excuse to discriminate against lighter latinos either or claim they are white. By that logic since many asians have pale skin they would be white, but they're not. It's ignorant bullshit
I see this everyday now that I think about it. My babies are "morenos" and I love them to the moon and back. Pero as they were growing up people would ask "if" they were my kids because I am absolutely "weda!" My kids father is olive skin color. I am scared to have my 20 yr old son go to the store because I don't know the ignorance he might encounter! Its crazy times we live in! #BrownisBeautiful
Exactly. The term ‘Latino’ derives from ‘Latin’- who are the Latin white people of Europe, mainly located in Southern Europe. The term Hispanic is an offshoot of HiSPAINic. All these terms arrived with European colonisers, since that is their origin. However, the origin of indigenous or Afro communities are often ostracised or overlooked within these labels.
@@rogerroger2986 Youre right about all but Latin being a "tribe" in Italy. Latin used to refer to a language spoken by the places occupied by Rome --- which is in no way a tribe, especially if you are arguing that Mesoamericans were not nomadic tribes (which, I agree, many werent). And yes, it did become Vulgar Latin which divulged into the modern languages of Spain, Italy, France, Romania, Sardinia, etc. But today we have use the term Latin as a shortened form of Languages or Cultures that divulged from that Roman offshoot.
@@rogerroger2986 Also, Mesoamericans are native americans. Its like saying a square is a type of rectangle. All mesoamericans (like the square) are native americans (like the rectangle). But not all native americans are meso americans. Just as well, there were many smaller, nomadic tribes that lived in Mesoamerica (and were constantly attacked and pillaged by the bigger civilizations like the Mayans and Aztecs)
@@rogerroger2986 Who said I ignored them...? Youre assuming a lot right now. I dont think we really disagree much overall, but youre putting words in my mouth.
In EVERY country and culture from Mexico to Argentina, it is the worst of insults to call someone a 'indi@' - let that sink in. The worst racism is & has been towards the people of native american descent (phenotipically). Even from themselves
I am from Argentina, I am white and I am Latino. Being Latino is not a skin color, it is being born in a Latin American country. In turn, Latino is any person born in a country who speaks a language of Latin origin, for example: Spain, France, Portuguese, etc. The Latin American word is usually abbreviated we use the Latin word but it is not the same. Something I like about Latin America is that the word "black" is used many times to refer to a person without being racist, it is used as a synonym for friend or boy / girl, for example: "That black is my friend" (It is also used as a nickname). Even the N word is often used in the form of friendship. What exists in Latin America is the social discrimination of the upper classes towards the lower classes.
I’m Mexican-American and I grew up in a Latin community in the US ( mostly Mexico and Central America until now). I have never ever heard that term until RUclips. I get told to tan by my Latino family all the time and called “discolored” but I take it as a joke
as a brazillian, we have SO MANY different people in one country. I'm white as the sun light, due my spanish side, but no one will see me as a latina until I speak, due my accent. here in brazil there's people with SO MANY races, colors or any name you want to use. but we are still from america latina, we are still latinxs. even tho some of us can pass for white, like me.
I stop watching this video, because of the past trauma of being bullied by your own group. Being white skin with color eyes makes you different enough in your own group that it makes you a target. This is not to attempt to minimize dark skin people experience with descrimination. I’m just saying that experience is damaging for anyone.
Martin Navarro Yes I see they did add a part talking about lighter Latinos being Ostracized but I don’t think they know how much impact that could have in someone’s identity. Especially if you’re not white passing enough nor if you come from a economic status which can afford you the same opportunities as whites to actually call it a real privilege. For me that privilege ends once you open your mouth or for example , your resume gets tossed because your name sounds too foreign and they don’t believe you are a Citizen (happened to me when I applied to be a recruiter with Aerotek)
We're talking about colourism you can be white passing but still look Mexican (in her case) and you can be dark and still look Mexican but the overall is that lighter skinned people will be held to a higher standard than those with darker skin.
You can have this conversation sure, but why does it feel when talking about colorism in this video that the whiter Hispanic person gets the raw end of the deal from both sides? Often ostracized by both brown and white communities, never fitting in either. Not all whiter Hispanic people had the opportunity to grow up in a community of people like them. Was touched on in this video for a second, and then it just felt like then an 8 minute and 30 second video about "whiter Hispanics should check their privilege". Can we at least acknowledge that although the struggle may not be the same, we still all struggle? Does it always have to be the "who's struggling more" Olympics?
But, by acknowledging that "we still all struggle" is an attempt to equate white Latinos who are not accepted by their Latin community and those dark-skinned Latinos who are discriminated against due to their color. There is a difference since white Latinas are still benefiting from light-skin privilege.
Not accepted by *either* community. The minute white people ask lighter skin Hispanics what their name is or what their background is, we go back in the "other" category. When we try to blend in with our darker skinned kin, we're outsiders. For a lot of us, it's lose/lose, and this privilege you speak of is non-existent. Resumes thrown away because of the name, called out because Spanish was spoken unexpectedly, being called güero and never treated the same as others, etc. And those are just minor examples: traffic stops that took longer because of the name, jail time because of mistaken identity, kidnappings because your skin=rich, etc. My point is, is superficial privilege such that white Hispanics experience really need to be "checked"? The discrimination is still there, just not immediate or as overt, and sometimes from both sides. And unlike actual white people, I don't see American light skinned Hispanics attacking darker skinned Hispanics. I get that some do get away with blending in with the white community and actually get to have said privilege, but not all lighter skinned Latinos can use that advantage, nor be lumped in with white people as a whole. This whole conversation divides Latinos and Hispanics in my eyes, it doesn't help either groups.
Colorism is the daughter of racism in America. Colorism is just a fancy word for racism within certain ethnic groups. Although colonization has obviously had its impact on people of African, Asian and Latin descent, I strongly believe that colorism is perpetuated not by whites, but by minorities. WE’RE the ones that perpetuate the idea of lighter being better. That’s why you always hear minorities (especially those of darker skin complexions) fetishize light-skinned/mixed babies with curly hair and light eyes. “I want my baby cute and light” and “Mejorar la raza” are phrases I’ve heard countless times by people of color. If we want to end colorism we have to push more self-love in our communities.
Minorities can't perpetuate what they're not in control of - perhaps, they can maintain the notion, though. White people are in charge of most systems in the US and thus can perpetuate racism.
BluDrop5 I strongly disagree with the part that suggests minorities can’t perpetuate colorism. It has been and will continue to be a problem in different ethnic groups. Not to mention how most Africans and Asians promote skin lightening products.
BluDrop5 also, even though most of the US population is white , that doesn’t mean that they’re the only ones responsible for racism. It can come from all sides , regardless of color. This is coming from a black man.
@@maestrosavage1359 I totally agree because as a kid I visited the Caribbean islands and came back darker from playing out in the sun & enjoying life. When I got back, a family friend took one look at me and with the look of disgust said, "You've gotten so Black". As a kid, I couldn't understand since we were all different shades of black. I later learned the true meaning behind her statement and it hurt. Point is, she was black like me. That memory has always stayed with me.
This conversation has open so much of I knew this but no one spoke about it. Enjoyed it will continue to follow this to open people mind to teach to hear to just understand I had married a black skin Puerto Rican however my family (uncle and aunts) from Puerto Rico of lighter skin and blonde hair blue eyes said I had ruined my line for the family and as a wedding present I received a five gallon of coconut oil for when I have children. I tell you this because I was so hurt because my father and mother never allowed that kind of talk in our house we are all of the same place no matter what color you was. Now at 62 I want to speak out and teach people the difference. Speak loud and be heard
I'm so sorry you experienced that. That story broke. Just remember that this is a time for change which means we can now talk about those issues that we never dealt with before. Let's take this time to start a conversation with our family members who make those hurtful comments/gestures.
mestizo should be officially categorize as a race world wide not just certain parts of the world. it will make it easier for people filling out the us census, too. and would alleviate the headaches and confusion some still have.
First of all she's not Latina and saying Latino/Latina in an English conversation is grammatically incorrect. Correct way is LATIN woman. She's a "Latin American Woman" .Secondly, Latin is NOT a LOOK, not a Skin Color. You have it all wrong.Latin/Latino/Latina is the Language spoken by the Romans, Romance Languages and the Culture of the Romans. Latin=Romance Languages and Roman Latin Culture. You have to use your Race or Country of origin: Mexican , Cuban, Honduran...or say Latin American/s to identify yourselves like we all do. Latin is not your heritage. It's the heritage of the Italians and of the Latin Europeans: French, Romanians, Portuguese and Spaniards. Please educate yourselves. ruclips.net/video/jyAjG4hPckA/видео.html I leave here a link for the website of the former LATIN UNION and the requirements to be considered LATINS: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Union
White passing is important to talk about, but it’s also important to talk about how white passing people are denied acceptance. In my case, half Native and half white. I’m obviously very white passing. Growing up, when I told peers I was mixed, I was straight up told that I was white and there was no way I was Native American. I talked to a half black and half white woman once with a worse experience. She told me that her black family members told her constantly that she was too pale and she felt denied that acceptance from them. Very very tricky subject.
My sister and I are mixed. My sister is Maya's skin tone and I'm her brother's. We were raised by our black side of the family and she was CONSTANTLY reminded of the fact that she wasn't black enough. Still makes me angry because she always felt unloved and unwanted by everyone that surrounded us except for me and our dad. People don't want to hear it tho. I got into an argument the other day of someone saying that I was defending white supremacy. No, I'm not. Many mixed children raised by their black family go thru this and many raised by their white family go thru it the other way around (not white enough) but it still hurts.
@@ButtaFLii89 minorities have white lol specifically black Americans and Latinx due to slavery and colonization ect but its different than actually being biracial
Altamease Rauch How does that not make sense if I’m not just white? I’ve never heard of it just being for people who weren’t white, where I’m from people have consistently applied it to biracial people, so I’m sorry if my use of “white passing,” offends you. Im sorry that you do not seem to understand how unjust it is for someone to not be allowed to be who they are just because of the color of their skin.
The Mexican girl who worked in telenovelas is pretty ‘white’ for Latino standards. But she still played lower class characters like the ‘peasant girl’ or ‘the maid’. But if she had an indigenous look (as most Hispanic people have) she would have never gotten into show business.
Dude every one here looks brown and this is nothing that they should worry about they all look brown and her being a tiny specular shade than her brother would not stop me from being to identify her as a Hispanic American. In fact I would have a hard time classifying any of the people in this video to white or black. So this video debunked.
The only problem I have with this is the fact that Latinx is used. Latino is fine, we don’t need a word thats unpronounceable in latino languages. I’m a latino, and pretty much every other latino person doesn’t like latinx, it is just a bunch of white people that wanted a gender neutral word for an already gender neutral word. I get it isn’t the point of the video, but please just don’t use latinx like ever, latinos don’t like it.
Its important to not to negate Maya's experience. She may look Latina to us but we are only a handful of people compared to who she has met in her lifetime. The entire colorism conversation is very important and should be treated as such.
She looks 100% Latina to me. I don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@MarioRodriguez-gr8wc Okay, she looks Latina to YOU. I'm sure there are others who mistake her for white though.
Kirsten Iturrino 😂 I guess. I don’t see how she can be mistaken for white.
@@PsychonautDreams1251 girl sometimes comprehension is lost
Mario Rodriguez you need to continue to educate yourself on what COLORISM is, because your not getting it.
Same thing exists in black and South Asian communities
Well, it's passed along as part of colonialism.
I am a white Cuban girl who married into a south Asian family. They glorify our child and constantly brag at how “light” he is within his south Asian family. On the contrary, my family did not like my husband because he is “dark” to them and they used to say things like “what a shame”.....its so wrong....I genuinely fear for my child when he gets older because this video mentioned bullies and my son definitely looks more south Asian than white....I wish the world was not this way...
east asian communities
All POC communities have this, even individually by country...
Let Latinos have our moment.
Maya is not saying she looks white, she’s saying she faced LESS discrimination compared to her darker skinned brother... that’s EXACTLY what COLORISM is.
she used the word 'passing" which means she thinks she passes for white if you pass as something people think you are that thing thats not rocket science
Snuff Daddy the word “passing” doesn’t mean you necessarily think you look white it mean that in relation to other people of color you can pass as “other” or something else in closer proximity to whiteness. Black people use the term “passing” as well. do you think they use it to say they think they look white? absolutely not. it’s a term to describe your proximity to white on the color scale.
She looks white to me
@@menkae6708 not to white people
Snuff Daddy I’m white and she’s white lol have you been to Southern Europe?
Melissa isn't even dark, so for her to be casted in poor roles means a person that's barely 3 shades darker than her is catching hell
Thotimus Prime I was thinking the same thing people that are brown skin always play the maid novelas have change but for Melissa to saying she dark girl please
@May Sal The one drop rule exists in Latin America too. She is not seeing as pure white because she is a “mestiza” a person with mixed Native American and European ancestry. The lead roles in telenovelas tend to only go to pure European Latina actresses like Ludwika Paleta, and Angelique Boyer.
@@purplecatinlove1900 to some is dark
I used to watch a lot of TV novelas when I was younger but only one of them had a Afro-Latino. Mexican TV likes to pretend that race doesn't exist.
She’s darker then a white person lol she’s coloured, it’s obvious. Did y’all see her DNA results? She’s mestizo
I think Mya was making perfect sense. When you look at the demographics of Mexico, Mya would be 'white passing," in the sense that she is lighter skinned. This is not to say that she is a Caucasian Mexican.However, compared to her brother who looks more Indigenous than her, it makes sense that in a society that praises whiteness, how Mya would feel "preferred" compared to her brother. Conversely, if she was in a room with an actual White Mexican w/ pure European ancestry, she might receive less preferential treatment than her white counterpart; As being Caucasian in Mexico, is the standard of beauty, and social class.
I am black, and this is common in our community too. Very dark skinned Black people get treated worse by society; mixed and light skinned Black people get put on a pedestal because of their proximity to whiteness; and of course, White people get the best treatment in society b/c they're white.
I notice that colorism mentions the Afro-Latino experience. Can we also speak on the Anti- Indigenous sentiment in some Latin countries? I feel that sometimes both experiences get conflated. Being brown (indigenous) is a different experience from being a Black (African) Hispanic person.
You are so right. It saddens me that darker skinned people are looked down on. My family is Native and in Mexico they have always discriminated the indigenous for their skin and facial features, but others are praised for having pale skin. It’s just sad that we are in 2020 and people still receive discrimination 😔
Thank you for talking about indigenous people! Its been bothering me that Pero like never talks about it. I know talking about black latinos is important but the experience of colonization and racism is different for indigenous people. For the latinos in Pero Like I think its important to talk about Native Americans. If you live in the U.S your living on Native American land and to never bring that up is very disappointing. They need Native Americans on the channnel.
White skin is a phenotype. White Mexicans, unless their parents are inmigrants to Mexico, are still mixed.
Being light skin in Mexico like Maya is not preferred at all, but also darker skin isnt either, the ideal skin color for Mexicans is a lighter shade of brown or olive skin tone. But someone like Maya would get made fun of for being too light, but her brother would too for being too dark. Take Canelo as an example, he was actually discriminated for his skin color, his freckles and hair color. He was not praised or worshiped for being light, it was the opposite, that is because he is TOO light for the liking of the Mexican beauty standard. So this whole "light skin is preferred in Mexico" is pure nonsense, if that was the case, Mexico would have a big skin bleaching problem like it is found in black africans, african americans, black caribbeans, south asians and Asian people. Mexico doesn't have that at all because despite the beauty standard, people are still happy with their skin tone. In fact, tanning beds and tanning sprays are a bigger seller in Mexico by a large margin than skin bleaching products.
Being caucasian in Mexico is not the standard of beauty LOL where do you get that from to begin with? Please dont say novelas because I will laugh if you do. The beauty standard in Mexico is having olive skin, high cheekbones, large eyes, long straight hair with a blend of indigenous and european features. Hence why most models in Mexico are MESTIZOS, and why most Edecan girls are MESTIZAS.
White people get the best treatment in the USA because in this country, they make the MAJORITY
In Trinidad, the ones who get the best treatment are INDIANS because they are the MAJORITY
in Mexico, the ones who get the best treatment are MESTIZOS, because they are the MAJORITY
She is probably more Caucasian than anything else. Most Latino's are predominantly Causacoid with a bit of Native or African.
I see brown people on tv playing as poor or low class characters and I say "that's colorism," but my family doesn't say anything. I'm brown and I have, like many others, been treated differently simply because I was brown. I had a white Mexican friend and they treated her differently than I. But I wouldn't change my skin color for anything. I wouldn't change my heritage for anything. Shoutout to my fellow indigenous americans and ancestors!
There's nothing to change. You are perfect as you are. Be proud of your people and your bloodline always.
I stay calling out these novels and shows, like, I know there are latinx actors a darker shade than alabaster who could play one role in this narconovela.
I kind of wonder if it's reinforced in real life, like job interviewers judging darker skinned (or fill in the blank) applicants as "unworthy" of the job.
You’re not indigenous.
@@tiny2315 How do you know that?
I’m glad we’re talking about this. Some people aren’t ready for this conversation yet though.
Ready or not it's time
I know what you mean, but waiting that they are ready, is not the solution.
unpopular opinion:
African descendants of Cuba, PR, DR, Brazil, Peru, Panama etc. are the original creators and pioneers of Mambo, Salsa, Samba, Festejo, Reggaeton etc. through the pressures of colonialism and its aftermath. Respect it and keep steppin to it,
¿que no?🤙🏾
saludos de un indio💯
🌽🥔🌶 💯quechua y nahuatl 💯🥑🍅🌮
#soyINDÍGENAmíja
#NoSoyLatinoX
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RalphE Archive Huh? That’s not an opinion that’s a fact 🤨
So true but they better get ready
The conversation of what Latino looks like needs to change.
Latin/Latino/Latina is NOT a LOOK, not a SKIN Color, NOT a DNA. Latin (Latin is the correct way in English) it's all about Romance Languages and Roman Latin Culture. Blame Mexican Chicano Frank del Olmo because he created this identity problem for you but choosing "Latino" instead of "Latin American/s" to identify your ethnicity.
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These are the requirements to be considered Latins. You must speak a Romance language, have Roman Latin Culture, coming from a country whose laws are based on Roman Laws and whose religion id Roman Catholic. Latin/Latino/Latina doesn't mean what you think that it means. Usdedes estan confundidos!!!
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I agree I'm full Mexican and I get confused with White all the time because of my complexion and green eyes. I have gotten a warning pass for speeding and my warning ticket said I was white according to the cop. My sister on the other end who has a darker complexion than I do has gotten a speeding ticket, no free warning pass like I had. That overall says a lot. I also notice when my sister and I go to stores together I noticed the people are more welcoming to me than towards my sister. It makes me so angry, yet people have the audacity to claim colorism and racism doesn't exist 🙄
IN FACT they put us as white so they could LEGALLY discriminate against us. You know we had to get to the back of the bus too right? “That’s discrimination” “no it isn’t we see you as white....no get to the back!” we had to take it to the Supreme Court to fight that shit and started the 1st go fund me in the process. Stop letting sell outs and white people trying to divide our people teach u about our history
The only way you're "full Mexican" is if you're 100% indigenous.
@@macktasticification I'm speaking from experience and what i had seen for myself. I am not following from what other people had told me like the claim you made.
@@volcrazy89 I meant both parents being Mexican, I should've clarified it better.
@@PapiGalleto bruh im "passing" and I get fucked with by cops, followed in stores, fit descriptions, etc etc so im calling bullshit. and again the idea is not racist cops or white people its fake colorism in the latino community so your examples are mute anyway. FOH
It’s actually wild that she was one of the darkest people on tv, because to me she seems very white passing
I was thinking that same thing. But in no way was she dark. It seems like it was just a hair and eye color difference.
Well it also says something about who is allowed on tv.
But I think that was why she said at the end that she realized she's privileged. She is very light, but in comparison to the other actresses, she was darker, and she had dark hair and eyes instead of lighter hair and eyes. So, yeah, it speaks to how in the industry, they're likelier to cast people with lighter shades of skin tones than darker ones, which is wild when you consider the average Mexican or Latinx person is much darker than she is. It really is a scale, and she's near the top, but not right at the top.
Right? And the ones they showed like white rich characters looked the same skin tone as her? Just dyed blonde hair....
So many telenovela actresses look like her. She is super white to me. Sure some are dyed blonde but there's plenty with her skin tone. She's like porcelain. They should have chosen a much darker person to speak on this.
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When schools desegregated in the US, the racist schools got around having to admit black people by admitting light-skinned Latinos in the white schools and darker-skinned Latinos in the black school. This means that if my siblings and I were born back then, my sister and I would've gone to the rich white school while my brother, who's dark-skinned and autistic, would've gone to a school that didn't get enough funding to adequately help him. Still, I was born in today's world and I still clearly see how I am privileged. I am a "palatable" Latina; not too dark and I can speak like white people. Don't invalidated our experiences just because you didn't experience it.
IIRC there are actually still a couple of school districts in the South that are still not integrated.
I didn't know some schools got around full integration by doing that. Thank you for sharing!
You’re not latina.
I’m glad we are taking about this
And for no reason at all
Ken93 why do you think it is not an important conversation to have ?
K Ilex it’s a very important conversation to have not fair that my cousins get discriminated on my dads side
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Same, this so important.
I’m baffled at Melissa saying she’s the darkest in her family as light as she is...that’s wild to me
Same lmao but i've heard that in Mexican and other Latin American telenovelas, whenever they can't find a dark skinned person to play the help they usually pick a light skinned mestiza to do it
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I am Cuban, and I was born white as the sun due to my Spanish side of the family. My hair is still dark and curly but I am often confused for Italian, that is til I open my mouth and people hear my slight accent. And something that was very interesting was that I never was felt discriminated agaisnt til I moved away from Miami where I was born and raised. And because I look so white I have felt a bit of distance from other Latinos (except Mexicans, chillest people ever, been to A LOT of cookouts and quinceaneras), because until they get to know me just a bit it's not immediately apparent that I'm Hispanic. This is a deep cultural phenomenon that isn't going to be less of a stigma unless we talk about it. Just because I'm a bit less tan doesn't mean "que mi sangre no tiene azul", just that I tend to need a lot of sunscreen while my cousins just need a quick spray down lol. And the reverse is true, my cousins have been turned down from jobs and internships just because they were darker than John "frat boy" Smith.
What's important, is that we talk about this.
My family’s from Argentina and most of the people there are light skin so my whole family expect my dad is (my moms side is white and is more tied to their European ancestry). I have light skin, light brown curly hair and hazel eyes. So when my family moved to the states we were all seen as white. We never faced discrimination in Argentina bc of our skin tone but when we got to the states Latinos never saw us as Latinos I was always called names and whenever I spoke Spanish I felt like people where trying to look for when I messed up ( most of the time they couldn’t understand me bc my Argentine accent strong and we say thing differently.) But I did notice that my dad faced discrimination against him bc he has dark brown curly hair and a mediterranean tan color, I dont know if that’s right but he is just darker but people would always try and speak Spanish to him or white people would say “gracias” and other annoying stuff.
My fiance is Cuban him and his family moved from Cuba to FL when he was 10. He has green eyes blonde hair. People always think he is White until he opens his mouth then they are like what the hell are you. You are not from America. It happens to me but not from my fellow PR. It's always from other races. They are like who brought Becky. Then when I talk they are like you sound like you are Spanish & I'm like Yes I'm PR.
The sun isn't white
@@kofikofi2403 So wait, dark, curly, locks of hair, nice Mediterranean bronze, tan skin, and if he was in shape well which equals = The Latin Lover Ideal or runway "Italic Greek" beauty standard! I'm so sorry. That's so messed up because (well I know he's your dad, BUT....) that is considered extremely beautiful, handsome and sexy! Wow!!!!! No, no, no!!!! Got to love that sunglow!!!!!
Dumpster Jedi I get you. I’m a fellow Cubana and on my mom sides it’s pure Spanish descendants (so she’s white as hell and has dark hair and light hazel eyes) but on my dads side it’s kind of mixed (one of my dads grandparents was half black, his mother is Spanish and I’m pretty sure he’s got some indigenous blood in him, so of course he’s a lot darker than my mom has black curly hair and incredibly dark eyes) so my sister took after my dad in color and I took after both of them. I’m tan have dark wavy hair and have dark eyes and a big nose and lips( my sister got lucky she doesn’t have a big nose or big lips) but I’m always being thrown shade (by my lighter cousins) that I’m not dark enough or that I’m not light enough or that my skin is the perfect “Latina” color (same cousin has said all three btw) and I’m just sitting here like what the hell? What’s my skin got to do with me speaking Spanish and being from somewhere else?
Thank you for talking about this. I experienced the same in my family. I grew up as the only family member with dark complexion. I was told I was black and adopted, and not Mexican. Kids didn't want to play with me in elementary because I looked "dirty" because I was morenita. (I grew up in a small border town with mostly white Mexicans) And it didn't help that my brother is pretty pale. We look similar but different skin tones. So people didn't believe we were related. I wasn't even allowed to play in the sun as long, because I'd get darker. This needs to stop NOW.
Stop trying to absolve ur guilt by putting ur family’s racism on all of us. You were raised by racists sorry that’s not our fault sell out
Damn, I really feel you. Specially because I grew up in Northern Europe. I went to an all blonde and white school and girls would tell me that I was "dirty" because I was brown. It's so sad that this has to happen
bby bih so white people tell you you’re not pretty because you’re brown and that’s colorism in the Latino community? STFU wanna be apart of something sell out
@@bbybih3893 I'm really sorry to hear that. It can be VERY confusing as a kid.
@@macktasticification wait what? It's not like I chose to be bullied for being brown.
Such an important topic to discuss. Deal with this myself as a light skinned Latina. I’m not even mixed.
Mixed? Lol we are the ones who gave you your names language and lighter skin. Idiof
Ridiculous! Smdh
Karl Quintana you say “we” as if you had anything to do with anything😂 you did nothing! your ancestry probably has a long line of incest and all that incest rage wants to make you feel important
@@karlquintana2680 wow where your proof? Find out all Egyptians Lands Plus the world even with Chinese Japanese & New arabs Their still Wink Brown 😂 we still make up 96% of world nations plus all Lands was is whose? Ohhhj ok we spew out? What lies full blown aids Like all made up today okay live Non Zombie 🧟♂️ minds okay bye Be happy 😊
You're not a Latina. You're a "Latin American woman". Latin/Latino/Latina only refers to Roman Latin Languages and Roman Latin Culture. Nothing to do with Skin Color or Race.
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I’ve been waiting for this - Latino is an ethnicity not a race so we come in every shade. Glad to see someone mention the inherent inequalities of this.
This person does not pass as white
It’s not even a ethnicity
@@MeleeMaster22 that isn't the point. What is is that there are still different shades of skin, and colorism still applies to hispanic/latino communities.
Ser latino tampoco es una etnia. Solo son personas que hablan un idioma que proviene del latín.
Ergo, latinos también son los franceses, españoles, italianos. Ser latinoamericano ES ya otra cosa. Ser latini NO ES UNA ETNIA.
@@MeleeMaster22 it's a culture, es una cultura.
I experience this all the time. Going out with wife/family. I can pass as white when im a light skin salvadorian and see how I get treated differently and look differently in stores or work. Living in the South I mess with ppl who assume I'm white all the time, to see how they really are/think. Then I pull out the Spanish and their head explodes.
Omg I love the feeling when your talking to someone with a heavy accent and you speak Spanish and they are so confused and do the whole run down of omg u speak Spanish ,where you are from, u where so light I thought u were a gringa. 😂
@@kofikofi2403 or "where did you learn Spanish?" En la pinche casa.
Lol. My mom does the same. She's even had Latino's speak bad about her in Spanish without realizing she knows everything they said. I realized there is a privilege you inherit with a parent who is white. Growing up no one ever assumed that my mom didn't speak Spanish or that she was Latina. I think when you see my mom and sister who are both white with green & hazel eyes people just assumed that I was mixed. But both of my parent where born and raised in central america. My dad just happens to have more indigenous roots than my mom. My siblings and I just go from light to dark and I am barely passing as "dark skin".
Same thing happens to me. I look very black passing and some people get shocked when they find out I know Spanish.
That’s exactly what it’s like with me. My fiancé is a white man and people assume that I am also a white person and get treated very differently when I pull out Spanish. My brother is significantly darker than I am with the same parents and I have seen how different they treat him.
I’m not white, I’m not white passing but I recognize that I am a Latina with light skin privilege
Mel S well said!
Latina with light skin privilege is white passing to others despite what you think
Jorgiana Lopez my skin is a light tan color. Trust me, no one confuses me as white and I have no white privilege because I’m not white passing. But I acknowledge that even though I’m considered to be tan, I certainly have more privilege than Afro latinas and that’s a conversation we should all be having.
How does that make sense
Alessandra Nuñez where did you get lost?
Please, stop your further labeling of us by calling us "Latinx". We're not freaking mutants or the X-men.
You are you come from every race mixing Mutants
THIS. ESTO.
'Latinos' It's already okay
para gustos colores, a mi en lo personal no me molesta.
😂 that’s also the first thing I think of when I hear that term. I get what you mean
Your ignorance is showing. Please educate yourselves.
Hateddddd being told I need to play less outside bc I’m dark
I'm mexican-american, and my skin is lighter than my brother and sister. And like maya said, brown is a beautiful color and i agree. My brother and sister are brown and my parents make fun of me just because my skin is lighter. Often, i laugh along with them thinking it's just a joke, but my friends get confused when i say I'm mexican because my skin isn't the same as my siblings. It makes me feel ashamed of myself for some reason and angry when my family calls me white. And even though I may not relate to the whole point of this video, I'm still really tired of it...
I cannot tell you how much I relate to this, I was bullied and still am for being a lighter skin tone than my classmates and they refuse to believe I am at least somewhat Mexican even though I speak Spanish fluently and was raised in a town very near the border. My father is fully American and my mother is fully Mexican with half of a European background so you can tell how white I would look. I completely understand what you are going through so your not alone ✨
@@dailynb.866 I'm so glad to know that I finally have some one to relate to 😊
@@melanieortega3535 same here 😊
I understand your experience as I still know if to be true firsthand.
Maria Yniesta Same here girl!
I’m a white passing Egyptian and most of my family is brown skinned and I get treated much better than they do unfortunately
Its not that your white passing its that Egyptians are of the Caucasoid race
@@user-gd5dj2nj6c 'caucasoid race' that is such an outdated and historically racist term. Her family are North Africans, they are not white and they are not perceived as white. Race is a social construct and the classifications differ around the world, but it can be seen that her family experiences discrimination for being brown and in Canada for example, North Africans have their own category and are not considered white. So yes, if her family is full of non white Egyptians then she is white passing.
@@user-gd5dj2nj6c egyptians are not caucasian pfft. Such a lie.
@@alnajjar2726 I am not saying they are white, im saying they share the same Caucasoid skull structure
@@tablecloth1943 re-read my comment i never said they were white. All i said is they have the Caucasoid skull structure. Even people from Indian have that skull structure
As a brown mexican person I always struggle with that. I'm gay and guys feel more attracted to the white ones, companies hire white people for publicity or to help in banks but the browns go to clean or to do other activities. We actually have a lot of racism in Mexico, even when most of the population isn't white. It sucks because even your family sometimes say: oh, hijo, consiguete a alguien güerita para mejorar la raza.
That’s fucked up bro it’s true when I go down to Mexico and visit the darker skinned people get last dibs and the lighter skinned people go first
Crazy how different our experiences are. I got picked on in the US for being too light all the time by Latinos. Even my own Mexican family tells me to tan
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I really felt the girl who said that she wanted to have "blue eyes and blonde hair" because my dad has blue eyes and blonde hair (I am more like my mom who's afro latina) and I grew up in Northern Europe where everyone has those features plus girls at school bullied me for being Mexican. I remember thinking that I wanted to not go in the sun a lot and I wanted to dye my hair blonde and use blue contacts. Looking back I think how messed up it is that little children are thinking that stuff.
Also I wouldn't define maya as "white passing" tho, she's lightskin for sure, but she looks Mexican. Every skin tone is beautiful ✌🏻✌🏼✌🏽✌🏾✌🏿
That was your PERSONAL inferiority complex.
So sorry about your experience. I wish you lots of love! I'm also Mexican on my mother's side, but I have Native, European and Black in me. I moved to Germany recently. 😊
@@mariaalexander427 Not the part about getting bullied and the effects on her.
There’s NOT such a thing as “white passing”. Latino is not a race therefore if you’re white and speak Spanish you’re just white. Hispanics need to stop getting brainwashed by American politicizing beliefs. The girl in the video is clearly just metizo but just as Italians have moor decent and are consider white a person could have some indigenous heritage and also be white. It’s not a matter of looking Nordic or not being white, just look at most of Southern Europe.
MEN Kae It depends though. I have friends who have one indigenous parent and one white parent, and they look more like their white parent. Hence, they are “white passing” because although they are mixed they pass as white.
I strongly believe that this is important to talk about. With that said I just think the Hispanic/Latino has many problems when it comes to skin color. “Your are never enough”.
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All I’m gonna say this is all absolutely true, every word.
I think we should talk about skin bleaching or the Afro-Latino movement.
Glad we’re talking about this
This here hit me pretty hard. My moms family is straight up taino roots from PR. My dads family is all colonized rican with blonde hair and blue eyes. I have a twin brother and im darker, My older sister is so white she constantly is seen as Caucasian. I grew up with people asking me if i was found in a dumpster and just adopted for pitty. Thats here in the USA. In puerto rico ive never had that problem anywhere. When I go on vacation there and Im called negrito its in a loving tone. Not like here in the states
I’m glad you said this. I’m a black American person with no Hispanic decent and I believe that it’s really an American thing but when I talk to white people about it they make me feel like I’m making things up in my head or something
Why others just can't embrace others because of their personality and actions versus letting someone's skin color determine how to approach & treat them is just weird !
Carlos Ramirez damn bro that’s fucked up
A Scott right
Is because the USA is divided by skin colors idk why they are so stuck in classifying people by skin color like the color of ur skin in USA is a main topic almost every week
I’m tan/dark skin. Am I like the only one that hasn’t felt discriminated by my skin color? I have gone to schools where it was mostly blacks then mostly white. Actually I’ve felt the most judged by my own Mexican family when it comes to skin color. I KNOW FOR SURE that if I was in Mexico, I would probably feel different about my skin tone. But here in the US I have never really felt like my skin color was bad or that I wished I could changed it.
Colorism most definitely exists in America, black community included. I believe (well know) that colorism is perpetuated not by whites, but by minorities. WE’RE the ones that perpetuate the idea of lighter being better. That’s why you always hear minorities (especially those of darker skin complexions) fetishize light-skinned/mixed babies with curly hair and light eyes.
It really does depend the area you live in. Personally, I grew up in a pretty Latino area, so I didn’t really see it that much. However, once I moved to a whiter area I know that I have personally seen people treat my darker skin Hispanic friends with more indigenous feature differently than my lighter skin/more European looking Latino friends. My darker friends would always get Mexican jokes and made fun of for having smaller eyes, while my lighter skin Latino friends never experienced that.
No your not the only one diana I'm taino puerto rican like redbone type and i can honestly say whether in puerto Rico or brooklyn new york I've never faced any discrimination and my relatives are all colors none of us ever had a problem in my opinion white privilege don't exist any where especially today in america
That’s just school. I bet You will face it when it comes to making $$ like buying property in certain neighborhoods, applying for certain jobs, trying to start a business, getting certain customers, trying to get your kids in certain schools) basically when you become a full fledged adult.
@@realSimoneCherie No i haven't I'm 35 years old and worked in all kinds of neighborhoods. Again to me this video is full of false propaganda to serve afro centrism which is nothing but bullshit and its why we the hispanic community will never be as strong as we can be especially in america this is an example of wanting to be black when we're not to say there's white privilege in our community is a laughable joke. I live in new york i see all types of hispanics succeeding
I've lived in Canada and Mexico. When I found out that my family and I were moving to Canada for a while, I was scared to face racism because of the color of my skin, I was in my teen years.
Now as an adult, I've experienced more racism here in Mexico than in Canada.
Diego, I am really sorry this keeps happening to you.
Sorry to hear that man :/
As a Canadian..wow
That's because Mexico is one of the most classist colorist countries on earth
Thank you... Colorism is huge in the Black community (Including Black Latinos) and needs to be talked about .
the fact that she would be considered the darkest is crazy
I know right?
It's always been like that in most federalized tv
The color of your skin won't save you from depression, issues, unhappiness, being poor, being abused. Think about that.
I applaud Pero Like for opening up the discussion on colorism 👏🏾
When I first moved to the mainland (12 years old), I was told by SO many classmates that I'm too white to be Puerto Rican. While it's kind of annoying to hear, I just can't get mad about it because it's absolutely nothing compared to the colorism that my fellow darker skinned Puerto Ricans and other Latinos will experience.
Growing up in Los Angeles me and the homeboys would always jump white boys for fun lol
@@waylonmercy8125 That makes you a garbage person hey 👋 I guess.
You should have told your classmates that being Puerto Rican or latina isn't a race, is a culture. A latin country can have people of many shades of skin colors. For example, i'm from Argentina and you can find white, mixed or darker skin people. There's asian and black latinos too. So being latino doesn't have anything to do with race.
@@waylonmercy8125 💀💀
@@rocioluque956 EXACTO.
Everything starts in our own countries. Racism and discrimination are huge and heavy in Latin America as well.
Me and my sister's have different dad's...her dad has more European and my dad is afro-latino...I grew up browner/darker with kinky curly hair wider nose and fuller lips and people couldn't believe I was related to her... believe it or not I went thru alot...thanks for making this video!
How big is your nose
Growing up I was very insecure about my light skin, thinking I wasn't latina enough because I wasn't darker. I was treated differently in the latinx community and also the caucasian community. It's a truth that's difficult to accept because i didn't want my white privilege. I felt guilty because I didnt have to face all the problems darker latinos face. But I recognized my privilege and will continue to use it to help others the best way possible. I hope others who maybe went through something similar will also use it to help. So glad this is being talked about!❤🇵🇷
STOP CALLING US LATINX
WE ARE NOT MUTANTS
Can we stop referring to the latin community as Latinx community? This term...it just seems like it was coined by someone who doesn't understand the language and culture.
Same i dont like the use lf x, we already have enough english words
I love that you guys are talking about this! One thing though, is that I wish it was translated in Spanish because it’s hard to translate things like this to our parents who don’t speak English and who would benefit from hearing about this to help them start unlearning some of the things they’ve believed their whole lives and hopefully to stop the cycle of perpetuating these racist beliefs.
This is what Spanish Media should be shedding a light on. But nope its Novela after Novela. Its a real shame.
Bruh she look Mexican af 😭
I know only dumb butts say because of the color your not Mexican. Your face features have to do with a lot of it.
Thank you for this video!! Our older generation doesn't see it that way. I was explaining to mom my issue with Mexican television.
It's something she never really noticed.
We love our novelas and don't think about the subtle messages they're sending us. Once you see it, you can't stop noticing it. We have to start getting our elders and the next generation to discuss it so they can recognize it and create change.
It's not older generation, it's anyone born raised in Latin America. It's why you use eurocentric terms to start with like Latino rather than mestizo because of colorism in Latin America
Yes! We totally need to discuss colorism in the Latinx community. Thank you for this video.
*LATINO community
exept youre a gringo who dislikes disrespects and does not value latino culture and language
Latino*
Ojberretta Berretta I wrote Latinx to be more inclusive of our fellow transgender and non binary Latin people. It has nothing to do with disrespecting our language and culture. I’m just trying to include all people. Have a great day ☺️
Rinqo25 *Latinx. I said what I said. Have a great day ☺️
@@isabellagonzalez5695 while you think you include lgbt ppl....because u dont know or understand the spanish language...you are actually excluding around 650million ppl...because they cannot pronounce the word....so...you are insulting our language and culture...because it was gringos who do not value respect or understand our language who invented the word...so do you exclude 650mio ppl to include a tiny miniscule minority who do not understand the spanish language..because they think its excluding...its not excluding anyone....while latinx excludes 650mio ppl whos mother tongue is spanish
This is so true, every time this topic comes up this is my main response. Because of the color of my skin, I haven’t been treated the same as my brown skin friends, family, etc. I always get questioned when I speak Spanish because till this day it’s STILL shocking for some to see that latinx, etc comes in a variety of skin colors. Everyone is beautiful, we all need to learn more
i'm glad more people are having this conversation nowadays.
I’m 94% indigena and I came to the us @4 yrs old, I spoke my native language, I did not speak Spanish or English, so I learned it here... I learned English faster than Spanish because my mom didn’t speak Spanish either! So my Hispanic counselor told my mom that she HAD to stop talking to me my native language and learn Spanish and English.... I understand that but why did she not push me to learn all 3 together!!! All throughout growing up Hispanics around me would talk bad or make “native” speakers ashamed that we are not “Hispanic” enough and then we have to deal with Americans assuming that all we do is speak Spanish !!! That’s why it was so hard to identify is a hospanic or Latina because the Hispanic community( kids in school, adults around me) would always make me ashamed that I spoke my native toungue and that I’m indigena... also they accused me of acting brings because I caught on to English faster... I hated seeing people like me especially in school system down south where I can tell that other kids spoke native languages and the Hispanic kids would tease them to the point that they would say they didn’t speak their language that they came from “ el capital” where more Spanish is spoken. I hated that part of my life but I have learned to embrace my culture and I’m trying to learn mam again🤍
*also they would accuse me of acting “gringa” because I caught on to English faster*
You need to stop referring all Latinos as Latinx
Both are colonial names
You need to stop calling mestizos by pseudo Eurocentric terms such as Latin or Latino or other made up USA crap. At least say Latin American.
@do you like pizza? cuz I want a pizza dat ass Latino is also used to refer to male and female
@do you like pizza? cuz I want a pizza dat ass Then just use Hispanic or Latin, since the language and culture offenses you so much you racist
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 Conversations about this have been long over due
Omg, yes. I love that this is being talked about more and more everyday. And yes, recognize your privilege in order to use it to better society!❤️
This is a VERY important conversation to have, especially to those of us who benefit from colorism like myself. We need to acknowledge the privilege and understand how it affects others who don’t.
Question Everything it’s very important to understand that it’s not an even playing field, even in 2020. If not these conversations would be of no relevance. There’s systemic racism in more forms than just being able to ride a bus. That does not cover any type of ground and isn’t even near the top of the iceberg.
Lmaoo he deleted the ignorant comment and now it looks like I’m talking to myself 💀 at least I got my point across.
Man , I remember growing up Latino in a all black neighborhood was not fun at all as a kid. I’m glad this is being talked about because whenever I hear conversations on racism it’s always whites vs everyone else. My brown butt experienced prejudices more from the 70s and 80s living in black neighborhoods. I remember when my local corner store used to give out credit to all the black folks but when my dad (Afro Latino) would ask for the same courtesy he was told to go find himself a better deal in a Chico store !!! That’s not to go with the constant window replacing and teen groups outside the lot next door screaming “ Mira Mira “ !!!!
As I got older I would then go to middle school where I had to leave the black neighborhood to a white hood. There were times that about 20 to 30 grown white men with baseball bats and hockey sticks were waiting outside for us young teens chasing black brown and yellow teens to bash us so we won’t go into their neighborhood. Finally , I went to PR were I was not judged for my skin tone but was judged because of where I came from. America is not viewed upon older PRicans based on prejudices faced here in America from both sides so they ended up coming back....now as PRicans from the states your considered more of a traitor than anything. All this white vs brown vs black in PR is something that I never experienced in my day to day livings in the island. But here in the states racism prejudices exist big time in white brown and black communities. My only beef is that all groups need to claim their part in this race hatred that exists. Let me start by saying latinos can have prejudice views .....there out there !!! Now , I need someone from another race or ethnicity to come out and say we too have prejudices and move forward. Everyone is guilty as far as I’m concerned !!!
Are you saying black people discriminated against you because of your skin color ??????
@Yah Girl Not very common , but possible. There has to be this kind of Situation:
1. Be the majority of the minority group
2. Share the same socioeconomic status where the other group is just marginalized as you are.
3. Deny any support & resources, as well as antagonize the minority community within your community .
@@yahgirl1726 it isn't uncommon. Lots of black people don't like Hispanic/Latinos
Jacky Star And vice versa. The issue is the crabs in the barrel. Black and brown don’t have any sort of real power and those in power have successfully divided the groups by making them believe that the other is the problem.
Honey Chicken 😑
Maya may look a certain way to us because we are use to seeing her on Pero Like and we know she's Hispanic but if she were to change her brows, wear a lighter lipstick and straighten or even lighten her hair, she would look more Euro and that is "passing". This is done all the time especially when one's skin is light enough. These people can take advantage of their "Proximity to Whiteness". A darker Latino may not be able to take advantage simply because their skin. That's what Maya was explaining when she was compared to her brother.
Yes, you're right. We can tell she's Latina because we see people who look like her in our families and our communities. But she can pass for a white person with dark hair and dark eyes. One of my daughters has dark brown hair, fair skin and freckles. When she went off to college, she was shocked that some people thought she was white, but people in our own community would know right away that she's Mexican American.
💯 and I can speak to that as well, until someone sees my name lol. If I let my hair go natural people always ask me if I am biracial. If I go straight with blonde highlighted hair people have no clue what my background is and never ask or question me.
Latina*
These people are so miserable 🤣
And speaking up MUST ALSO HAPPEN AT HOME and when family members are showing unacceptable behaviors. We must start these conversations in the home, especially with the prevalence of colorism in our communities.
28 haters. I fully enjoy these videos. These conversations need to take place. Well done!
So many people have constantly assumed I was Caucasian. Some people wouldn't believe me when I would tell them I was Latina; I would have to prove that I was. I actually wished I looked more Latina. Once, an asshole was talking to me, insulting and discrimination the Latin community, not realizing I'm Latina. He was very shocked when I defended the Latin community, revealed I was Latina and cussed him out in Spanish. I understand I have more privileges and opportunities than darker skinned Latinos; it breaks my heart that they don't get equal opportunities. This definitely needs to be talked about more.
I'm Mexican too!
I think that’s basically true in a lot of communities. Most lighter skin hispanics want to look more hispanic same for lighter skin blacks. Being Dominican i think colorism was hard. Hair texture as well. Loving your skin. Skin color does not define culture
Girl, your name is Karen .
@@PHlophe what does my name have to do with anything? 🤷♀️😵
@ruben champollion ??????
I'm Argentinian and grew up in Australia in a really Anglo-Saxon neighbourhood. I am white with some Middle Eastern and Indigenous ancestry. My sister and brother are darker than I am (my brother had racial slurs from people who thought he was from India). Even though I was the lightest skinned child, I remember really wanting to be as white as my best friend, who was blonde, pale, and had blue eyes.
I remember once looking at the scar tissue of a scab I'd picked off on my arm and saw how white it was and thinking - if I scab up my whole body and peel it off in a few weeks, maybe I'll be able to be as white. Colourism is real...
I also have the same issue with people not believing I'm South American because I have olive skin and green eyes. It hurts because I wasn't really ever accepted as properly 'Australian' either (and that's a can of worms I won't be opening here). But at the same time, I absolutely understand the privileges I have because of that.
Happy we’re talking about this
I am glad this is being discussed. I’m fair complected and with light eyes but the rest of my family is dark skinned. They call me guera or guerita. It makes me feel a part from them. I am a proud Latina and proud of my culture so when I’ve had friends or acquaintances say the most Mexican thing about me is my name, it’s hurtful. Being clocked as white is not necessarily derogatory but definitely feels exclusionary especially coming from other Latinx people. Maya’s experience especially not speaking Spanish resonates.
I’m glad you guys made a video about this. I feel like people don’t understand me when I tell them I identify more with my race than my ethnicity. I’m latina, yes, but I’m an indigenous woman and that identity is more important to me than being latina. I relate far more with indigenous peoples that don’t share my same culture than I do with white latinos because of the experiences I’ve had.
Amazing but us indigenous people dont go by blood quantum
Nomacehualpoyohuan V No I understand that blood quantum is extremely controversial and divisive. I was using the percentage to demonstrate that I am not ambiguous looking, I am very clearly indigenous to the majority of people I come by in my day to day life.
Nomacehualpoyohuan V I edited the original comment to take out that part because I understand the unintentional implications that might have.
Your self loathing. If there was a guy who was 80% white and 20% black and said what you said hed be called a sell out and a trump voter. Learn to love yourself SISTER!
Snuff Daddy I understand what you’re saying, and I do love myself in spite of the colorism of the latino community that I grew up in. It took me many years to come to terms with my ancestry and my history and recognize that I am an indigenous person. No one looked favorably on me because I had brown skin. I was told I “looked poor” like a “farmer”. I do recognize that I am also 4 percent white, and the rest I’m black, and I support black people and I stand in solidarity with all people. However, the experience I have had has been one of an indigenous person and I can’t deny myself that fact simply because I am also latina.
Anyone else mad how they say it LatinX? 💩
I am a very light skin Latina. When I was growing up I always felt and was told I was less Mexican than my peers. I hated being light skin and still do to this day. But I do realize I haven’t faced racism in the same way as my friends and family. I am so glad someone like you maya is talking about this and educating people. Thank you! ❤️
Okay stop with the X after Latin
As a Mexicano born in the states
Stop with the X
I appreciate how we’re beginning to have this conversation. I can say now that after facing discrimination so long based just on my skin color, that I truly love myself for all that I am. I love my deep dark brown tanned skin. My black curly hair. My dark brown eyes. These features make me happy now, and I wouldn’t want to change them for anything else.
I feel this video so much. I appear to be racially ambiguous and my experience as a Mexican Canadian is vastly different. I can't imagine what it feels like to endure this injustice
My family is very racially ambiguous as well! I’m the most white-passing out of all of them, but even then I’ve been labeled different things than my actual background. It’s frustrating lol.
I still benefit from colorism no doubt, but I’m just stating my own experience of ambiguity as well lol.
I feel lucky that I grew up loving my brown skin. I’ve definitely experienced instances of aggression and colorism that affected my confidence, but think I was raised in a way which encouraged me to embrace and love my skin
you look like a cute cat, i can tell you are happy .
THANK YOU for making this!! So many of the people in our community don’t understand these concepts especially the lighter skinned folks and having this conversation can educate people in how to raise awareness about colorism in our inner circles and families
This is such an important conversation to have and to keep having! Pero Like is always opening up the conversation and I’m so grateful for your platform in doing so! ❤️
This is ingrained in our culture dating all the way back to the Spanish caste system
yes, people should know more about it.
Xe's a very angry latinx
When she said “ ay que mejorar la raza” by marrying someone whiter than you I’ve never thought about it that way because i thought of that statement as you have to marry someone who is Mexican and not someone of another ethnic group.
and if you marry a scandinavian, you snagged gold basically.
But what if they are latino? Just not mexican... Like Puerto Rican or salvadoreño? Does that count?
it’s absolutely disgusting how dark skinned Latinos on Instagram will ridicule light skinned Latinos and immediately call them Europeans, Spaniards colonizers. I’m a fairly dark skinned Mexican and I never go off on anyone because of my skin. We are all Latinos, we go through the same bullshit as our light skinned brothers and sisters go through. All color is beautiful.
I know this is old but it's so true. Colorism def exists towards darker skinned ppl but thats no excuse to discriminate against lighter latinos either or claim they are white. By that logic since many asians have pale skin they would be white, but they're not. It's ignorant bullshit
I see this everyday now that I think about it. My babies are "morenos" and I love them to the moon and back. Pero as they were growing up people would ask "if" they were my kids because I am absolutely "weda!" My kids father is olive skin color. I am scared to have my 20 yr old son go to the store because I don't know the ignorance he might encounter! Its crazy times we live in!
#BrownisBeautiful
What is "weda"
@@apollo5418 slang for white girl
@@apollo5418 I think she means guera
@@lisaromero5581 se escribe “guera”
An entire video on colorism in the latinx community, that includes zero dark skin black people. Talk about erasure.
Lol latincks colorism. That sounds like made-up American neologisms
I get your point but at least they are talking about it
Hispanic/Latino are not races. There are white people, black people, native people, mixed people, and etc that all classify as latino.
Exactly. The term ‘Latino’ derives from ‘Latin’- who are the Latin white people of Europe, mainly located in Southern Europe. The term Hispanic is an offshoot of HiSPAINic. All these terms arrived with European colonisers, since that is their origin. However, the origin of indigenous or Afro communities are often ostracised or overlooked within these labels.
@@rogerroger2986 Youre right about all but Latin being a "tribe" in Italy. Latin used to refer to a language spoken by the places occupied by Rome --- which is in no way a tribe, especially if you are arguing that Mesoamericans were not nomadic tribes (which, I agree, many werent). And yes, it did become Vulgar Latin which divulged into the modern languages of Spain, Italy, France, Romania, Sardinia, etc. But today we have use the term Latin as a shortened form of Languages or Cultures that divulged from that Roman offshoot.
@@rogerroger2986 Also, Mesoamericans are native americans. Its like saying a square is a type of rectangle. All mesoamericans (like the square) are native americans (like the rectangle). But not all native americans are meso americans. Just as well, there were many smaller, nomadic tribes that lived in Mesoamerica (and were constantly attacked and pillaged by the bigger civilizations like the Mayans and Aztecs)
@@rogerroger2986 Who said I ignored them...? Youre assuming a lot right now. I dont think we really disagree much overall, but youre putting words in my mouth.
In EVERY country and culture from Mexico to Argentina, it is the worst of insults to call someone a 'indi@' - let that sink in.
The worst racism is & has been towards the people of native american descent (phenotipically). Even from themselves
I am from Argentina, I am white and I am Latino. Being Latino is not a skin color, it is being born in a Latin American country. In turn, Latino is any person born in a country who speaks a language of Latin origin, for example: Spain, France, Portuguese, etc. The Latin American word is usually abbreviated we use the Latin word but it is not the same.
Something I like about Latin America is that the word "black" is used many times to refer to a person without being racist, it is used as a synonym for friend or boy / girl, for example: "That black is my friend" (It is also used as a nickname). Even the N word is often used in the form of friendship. What exists in Latin America is the social discrimination of the upper classes towards the lower classes.
“Mejorar la raza “‘ that is something every grandma tell you
Alvaro Meneses: Not only grandparents tell you but parents, other family members, friends.
I’m Mexican-American and I grew up in a Latin community in the US ( mostly Mexico and Central America until now). I have never ever heard that term until RUclips. I get told to tan by my Latino family all the time and called “discolored” but I take it as a joke
as a brazillian, we have SO MANY different people in one country. I'm white as the sun light, due my spanish side, but no one will see me as a latina until I speak, due my accent. here in brazil there's people with SO MANY races, colors or any name you want to use. but we are still from america latina, we are still latinxs. even tho some of us can pass for white, like me.
I stop watching this video, because of the past trauma of being bullied by your own group. Being white skin with color eyes makes you different enough in your own group that it makes you a target. This is not to attempt to minimize dark skin people experience with descrimination. I’m just saying that experience is damaging for anyone.
Martin Navarro Yes I see they did add a part talking about lighter Latinos being Ostracized but I don’t think they know how much impact that could have in someone’s identity. Especially if you’re not white passing enough nor if you come from a economic status which can afford you the same opportunities as whites to actually call it a real privilege. For me that privilege ends once you open your mouth or for example , your resume gets tossed because your name sounds too foreign and they don’t believe you are a Citizen (happened to me when I applied to be a recruiter with Aerotek)
No shade, but Maya does not look white. She looks latina. Like from a mile away, you can see her latina side
White can be latinas too! Latino is not a race!!
@@arielgaray302 aja, my dad is white and latino. So
@chaka she still looks latina.
@@arielgaray302 yes but its obvious she's not a European latina
We're talking about colourism you can be white passing but still look Mexican (in her case) and you can be dark and still look Mexican but the overall is that lighter skinned people will be held to a higher standard than those with darker skin.
This is one of the most informative and useful videos to put out during this time. PERO LIKE, THANK YOU.
You can have this conversation sure, but why does it feel when talking about colorism in this video that the whiter Hispanic person gets the raw end of the deal from both sides? Often ostracized by both brown and white communities, never fitting in either. Not all whiter Hispanic people had the opportunity to grow up in a community of people like them.
Was touched on in this video for a second, and then it just felt like then an 8 minute and 30 second video about "whiter Hispanics should check their privilege".
Can we at least acknowledge that although the struggle may not be the same, we still all struggle? Does it always have to be the "who's struggling more" Olympics?
But, by acknowledging that "we still all struggle" is an attempt to equate white Latinos who are not accepted by their Latin community and those dark-skinned Latinos who are discriminated against due to their color.
There is a difference since white Latinas are still benefiting from light-skin privilege.
Not accepted by *either* community.
The minute white people ask lighter skin Hispanics what their name is or what their background is, we go back in the "other" category. When we try to blend in with our darker skinned kin, we're outsiders. For a lot of us, it's lose/lose, and this privilege you speak of is non-existent. Resumes thrown away because of the name, called out because Spanish was spoken unexpectedly, being called güero and never treated the same as others, etc. And those are just minor examples: traffic stops that took longer because of the name, jail time because of mistaken identity, kidnappings because your skin=rich, etc.
My point is, is superficial privilege such that white Hispanics experience really need to be "checked"? The discrimination is still there, just not immediate or as overt, and sometimes from both sides. And unlike actual white people, I don't see American light skinned Hispanics attacking darker skinned Hispanics.
I get that some do get away with blending in with the white community and actually get to have said privilege, but not all lighter skinned Latinos can use that advantage, nor be lumped in with white people as a whole.
This whole conversation divides Latinos and Hispanics in my eyes, it doesn't help either groups.
Finally this is being addressed. There should be even more light shed on this topic.
Colorism is the daughter of racism in America. Colorism is just a fancy word for racism within certain ethnic groups. Although colonization has obviously had its impact on people of African, Asian and Latin descent, I strongly believe that colorism is perpetuated not by whites, but by minorities. WE’RE the ones that perpetuate the idea of lighter being better. That’s why you always hear minorities (especially those of darker skin complexions) fetishize light-skinned/mixed babies with curly hair and light eyes. “I want my baby cute and light” and “Mejorar la raza” are phrases I’ve heard countless times by people of color. If we want to end colorism we have to push more self-love in our communities.
Beautifully stated.
Minorities can't perpetuate what they're not in control of - perhaps, they can maintain the notion, though.
White people are in charge of most systems in the US and thus can perpetuate racism.
BluDrop5 I strongly disagree with the part that suggests minorities can’t perpetuate colorism. It has been and will continue to be a problem in different ethnic groups. Not to mention how most Africans and Asians promote skin lightening products.
BluDrop5 also, even though most of the US population is white , that doesn’t mean that they’re the only ones responsible for racism. It can come from all sides , regardless of color. This is coming from a black man.
@@maestrosavage1359 I totally agree because as a kid I visited the Caribbean islands and came back darker from playing out in the sun & enjoying life. When I got back, a family friend took one look at me and with the look of disgust said, "You've gotten so Black". As a kid, I couldn't understand since we were all different shades of black. I later learned the true meaning behind her statement and it hurt. Point is, she was black like me. That memory has always stayed with me.
This conversation has open so much of I knew this but no one spoke about it. Enjoyed it will continue to follow this to open people mind to teach to hear to just understand
I had married a black skin Puerto Rican however my family (uncle and aunts) from Puerto Rico of lighter skin and blonde hair blue eyes said I had ruined my line for the family and as a wedding present I received a five gallon of coconut oil for when I have children. I tell you this because I was so hurt because my father and mother never allowed that kind of talk in our house we are all of the same place no matter what color you was. Now at 62 I want to speak out and teach people the difference. Speak loud and be heard
I'm so sorry you experienced that. That story broke. Just remember that this is a time for change which means we can now talk about those issues that we never dealt with before. Let's take this time to start a conversation with our family members who make those hurtful comments/gestures.
mestizo should be officially categorize as a race world wide not just certain parts of the world. it will make it easier for people filling out the us census, too. and would alleviate the headaches and confusion some still have.
First of all she's not Latina and saying Latino/Latina in an English conversation is grammatically incorrect. Correct way is LATIN woman. She's a "Latin American Woman" .Secondly, Latin is NOT a LOOK, not a Skin Color. You have it all wrong.Latin/Latino/Latina is the Language spoken by the Romans, Romance Languages and the Culture of the Romans. Latin=Romance Languages and Roman Latin Culture. You have to use your Race or Country of origin: Mexican , Cuban, Honduran...or say Latin American/s to identify yourselves like we all do. Latin is not your heritage. It's the heritage of the Italians and of the Latin Europeans: French, Romanians, Portuguese and Spaniards. Please educate yourselves.
ruclips.net/video/jyAjG4hPckA/видео.html
I leave here a link for the website of the former LATIN UNION and the requirements to be considered LATINS:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Union
White passing is important to talk about, but it’s also important to talk about how white passing people are denied acceptance. In my case, half Native and half white. I’m obviously very white passing. Growing up, when I told peers I was mixed, I was straight up told that I was white and there was no way I was Native American. I talked to a half black and half white woman once with a worse experience. She told me that her black family members told her constantly that she was too pale and she felt denied that acceptance from them. Very very tricky subject.
My sister and I are mixed. My sister is Maya's skin tone and I'm her brother's. We were raised by our black side of the family and she was CONSTANTLY reminded of the fact that she wasn't black enough. Still makes me angry because she always felt unloved and unwanted by everyone that surrounded us except for me and our dad.
People don't want to hear it tho. I got into an argument the other day of someone saying that I was defending white supremacy. No, I'm not. Many mixed children raised by their black family go thru this and many raised by their white family go thru it the other way around (not white enough) but it still hurts.
You’re not white passing you’re white tf 😂😂😂
White passing only applies if you are not at all white. You’re white, so you’re not “passing”... that’s who you are. That doesn’t make any sense!
@@ButtaFLii89 minorities have white lol specifically black Americans and Latinx due to slavery and colonization ect but its different than actually being biracial
Altamease Rauch How does that not make sense if I’m not just white? I’ve never heard of it just being for people who weren’t white, where I’m from people have consistently applied it to biracial people, so I’m sorry if my use of “white passing,” offends you. Im sorry that you do not seem to understand how unjust it is for someone to not be allowed to be who they are just because of the color of their skin.
The Mexican girl who worked in telenovelas is pretty ‘white’ for Latino standards. But she still played lower class characters like the ‘peasant girl’ or ‘the maid’.
But if she had an indigenous look (as most Hispanic people have) she would have never gotten into show business.
Usar LatinX y pretender que se te tome en serio XD
Dude every one here looks brown and this is nothing that they should worry about they all look brown and her being a tiny specular shade than her brother would not stop me from being to identify her as a Hispanic American. In fact I would have a hard time classifying any of the people in this video to white or black. So this video debunked.
"Latinx" 🤡
No one uses latinx
The only problem I have with this is the fact that Latinx is used.
Latino is fine, we don’t need a word thats unpronounceable in latino languages. I’m a latino, and pretty much every other latino person doesn’t like latinx, it is just a bunch of white people that wanted a gender neutral word for an already gender neutral word.
I get it isn’t the point of the video, but please just don’t use latinx like ever, latinos don’t like it.
I love that these discussions are finally being had.