Negrito? Blanquita? Latinos Talk Colorism
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- How do you feel about colorism in the Latine community?
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I want the entire episode. I can't believe you gathered 6 people to have a 7 minute episode
Right
Seriously! Like wtf
Right? Seems like a total waste of these peoples time and effort
Qlq mi gente…pero like where’s the rest of the interview????
It literally said watch more at the end. Seems like complaining before investigating smh
Not afro-Latina, I'm mixed black and white and this conversation realllyyyy resonated 👏🏽👏🏽
It’s interesting how the group seemed to take the gentleman’s “I’m sorry” as an apology. I took it as a “hold up what did you just say?” And his explanation of how the other man’s comments came across as reverse racism made sense. Thank you sir for speaking up.
My exact thoughts, I was flabbergasted lol
Right. I was no he didn’t try to pull “try being white in Tijuana”. It’s 👏🏽not👏🏽the👏🏽 same.
Thank you. I was so glad he was checked on those comments and hope that he received them in a way that makes him learn about his privilege.
There is no such thing as reverse racism.
It’s just racism
@@p0rnany0ne finally someone with a brain.
That last comment perfectly summarized this whole issue!
Colorism is a global issue I never experienced discrimination of my skin color the only discrimination I faced was directly connected with my body type ( my body type is like Danielle Brooks) and being underprivileged. As an afro Latina this is a great discussion.🇨🇴 👸🏻
Colorism is every where y’all and I had my most blatant experience the other day when I took a client to a French restaurant and the waiter was telling another one in French how he didn’t want our table while stroking his skin. I’m a medium tan latino and my client was black. He didn’t understand what was being said but I lived in Paris two years and understood everything. Now because of the environment we were in I could only politely tell off a manager but if we had been anywhere else I woulda been loud and rude. It’s degrading and had I been younger I woulda felt bad instead of agitated. We need to do better as a society
What the entire eff! So messed up. I’m glad you understood and I’m sorry you went through that.
As a white Latino, I’ve definitely been treated better lmao. My girl who’s darker skinned Latina always told me she felt more confident going places with me because she could see how much better I would get treated compared to as if she went by herself or with her family. I don’t feel white among white Americans but I do feel a bit white among Latinos.
weird to follow the first sentence up with an ‘lmao’
@@talltreeyeti I find it funny to say that, I don’t usually talk about that.
I was not treated better for being a white Latina, I was just treated as different. And it wasn’t a good different.
Give examples.
Humble brag
I’m an Afro-Latina and found it interesting that the group kept referring to themselves as “brown”. I understand how it was intended, but would’ve liked them to state what they actually identify as in terms of race on legal government forms. Hispanic, or “brown” is considered an ethnicity and not a race. I’d be curious to know what race box each member of the group would select for themselves, especially since “brown” is not an option. Even in our own countries, we must identify as a race….I wonder if they’d feel differently about their selections while filling out a form in their own countries and while filling one out here. Personally, whether back home or here in the U.S., I’ve always selected “yes” in the ethnicity box to indicate that I’m Hispanic and Black in the race box. Therefore, I’m legally identified as a “Black Hispanic”. To be clear, this does not indicate that I’m of mixed race like someone who is white and black(even though we’re all mixed). It means that I’m a Hispanic by ethnicity and culture, but black by race. Hence, Afro-Latina.
In countries like Brazil for example a lot of people we see as light skin black would be seen as either whites or pardos depending how dark, white passing or racially ambiguous they are.
What exactly is even a brown person ? Someone with brown skin or anybody with proximity to people seen as brown like everyone in this group
Depending on the census and how it’s written , most people identify as Latino first and foremost but if they’re made to choose, most people who aren’t obviously dark, choose white. Even if they’re not. It’s a crapshoot white supremacist “whitehood” that counts when you’re kicking down the person below you on the ladder but it still isn’t real whiteness imo.
This! I worked at a medical front desk. When people filled out the optional demographics sheet, the spectrum Hispanic and Latinos patients that looked like everyone on the panel (except most of the Afro Latinas that look like the masked lady on the far left) would put white. Even very indigenous looking ones or some who probably could be considered Afro-Latino but were light brown or mixed race. Some Afro-Latino’s would check Hispanic but refused to check black. I’ve personally known many Afro- Latinos to make a point to declare they’re not black they’re * nationality*. It’s always bizarre to me but I am aware of the different reasons. Some people don’t believe in race and feel it’s a conce This! Wham I worked at a medical front desk when people filled out the optional demographics sheet, the Hispanic and Latinos that looked like everyone (except most Afro Latinas that look like the lady far left) would put white. Even very indigenous looking ones. The same with some who probably could be considered Afro-Latino but we’re mixed race. Some Afro-Latino’s would check Hispanic but refused to check black. I’ve personally known many Afro- Latinos to make a point to declare they’re not black they’re ( insert nationality). because the term is often assumed to only mean African or African American. It’s bizarre but I am aware of the different reasons. Some believe Black only means African or African American. Some are in denial of their Black heritage because of white supremacy. Still, it always trips me out. Then there are a few people don’t believe in race and feel it’s a concept so they won’t accept any term no matter what country they’re in.
I hope they read your comment and make a part 2.
Hispanic people are majority mestizo or indigenous, which is brown. Race is socially constructed. They could include the brown category in the race box tomorrow if they wanted to.
I identify as a multiracial individual because I'm Black, White and Ingenious. Because I was born in the 1940s and in the USA I am considered Black on paper but I am always asked, what's your race? When I travel to other countries I'm never considered as Black. I do speak Spanish fluently for having studied in Mexico for many years. At times it depends on the situation how I will identify, especially going to a doctor -because some of them are prejudice.
As an AA woman who grew up in NYC, most of my Latino friends were Dominican or Puerto Rican. The colorism is real and I would like to see more Afro Latino’s in the conversation.
The colorism is very real in the AA community, too. You might want to check that out.
@@imalwaysright.6663 shoot I’m African and people love bleaching here . Colorism is real!
I'm afro-Latino living in London, and it's deffo real pp don't even belive me when I tell them. It nuts
Sis Imagine an AA telling an Afro Latino you just black and don’t see you anything else but that. And being told “oh you think you’re better because you have other roots you still black”. I have never denied my blackness I love being black but colorism is crazy and comes from a lot of African American too. It’s tough
do you realize that while a huge chunk of Caribbean origin (and that includes many beautiful black Colombian and Venezuelans) Latinos are mixed or predominantly 'black', most Latinos are not? The overwhelming majority of Latinos are of mostly mixed indigenous and white. That's not to say that there's not African blood in a huge segment, it's not that noticeable for many of us. Take for example Mexicans: while there are pockets where the African admixture is obvious.... most of the people in that country of 130 million are not black. And in the US Mexicans/Mexican-Americans account for almost 2/3rds of ALL Latinos in this country.
I’m Mexican and my moms side of the family is very fair, and they always use the word light to describe someone being pretty. My next door neighbor is also Mexican and she has one daughter who is darker than the others and she’s always saying how her youngest (who is the lightest in skin tone) is the prettiest simply because she’s the most fair in skin tone. Sad.
Bs.. she must be the prettier one and not because of her skin tone.
@@imalwaysright.6663 I'm in the same boat as the guy above probably, straight Spanish mom and straight indio dad. We've never once spoken on race, or color. We have spoken on how Mexicans by the 2nd or 3rd generations in America start acting kinda weird 🤣 they start finding mundane issues to cry about. They would be laughed at talking like this in Mexico, if they still speak Spanish they know it's true.
@@imalwaysright.6663 especially if they grew up on the east coast, NYC seems to pop these clowns out like pop tarts
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This really hits me where I live; I have a murky Latinx background, but am definitely Hispanic, but I am extremely pale, with blonde hair. I experience an odd kind of racism; if a white person "meets" me by name first ie emails or appointments or online, they act one way, and if they meet me face to face, they act another. When they meet me in person, after having met me by name, their naked surprise is so exhausting, and at this point, expected. You can then set a timer for how long it takes them to ask what my ethnicity is (or worse, "nationality"). They always think they are being subtle, but they aren't.
I go through the same but with my name but I know how to sell anything so my interviews are always A+
Ew you called yourself "latinx" 🤮
"Murky latinx" background. 😂😂😂
Tf are you talkin about. No self respecting latino calls themselves latinex.
@@views-kb6svbRo fr 😂😂😂
He really tried to compare being taken advantage of for clearly being a tourist/outsider to racism…
Yeahh im afro latina and thay moment made me kinda mad
He definitely has lived a different experience. No fault on him but he doesn't get it.
As a mestizo that really made me mad I'm light skin I know that's bullshit but it's not his fault
@@dtownblastinsalvi62 same
When he said that I cringed so hard
There is a difference between race and ethnicity
Race is a social construct. It can be changed tomorrow.
See that distinction is easy to draw on paper but when you look at the Latinos as an ethnic group where race is intimately tied to so many aspects of this ethnic identity, things start to get complicated and murky really fast. That dichotomy you mentioned between race and ethnicity becomes less and less clear the harder you look and the more you pull things apart.
Why isn’t this longer? You can’t have a true conversation in 7 minutes! This is just the tip of the iceberg.
I know like.. why can’t continue attacking more light skinned Latinos.. this is bullshit.
Thanks for watching! Our conversation was actually over an hour long! I think there will be more parts to this so stay tuned!
@@Marcusjo18 you really want to be a victim so bad. You’re trying to make lightskinned Mexicans look like slave masters when that was NEVER the case. Mexicans of ALL skin tones have experienced discrimination by just being Mexican alone. Lands and properties stolen, lynched, beaten, forced hysterectomies, segregated schools, forced to only speak English, etc. NOW you want to act like only your skin tone receives discrimination and light skinned Latinos are white. You are a joke. Get some therapy for that inferiority complex.
This is like the tip of the tip lmao, they coulda been at this for 7 hours instead of 7 minutes and there would still be stuff left unsaid.
this topic for me is confusing for me. Our own community will fight over who is "too dark" or "too white" to be considered Latino. This ends up in erasure of all our cultures and backgrounds. If you geniuinely want to call someone out for not being "xyz" enough, then ask them for a time and date to discuss what their upbringing is. Otherwise, stop assuming they're not enough in your eyes. All my life I was very dark. Once I got to my late teens, I decided to take care of my skin. Which meant skin creams, sunscreen, etc. My skin tone went from a mid dark brown to a light shade of brown. People who use meet me dismiss my struggles that I faced and still do to this day because I may have lighter skin. I still have my beautiful ethnic features. White people will look at us all the same at the end of the day.
Not really but okay
Exactly. It’s the BIPOC agenda working to separate our culture and putting us in racial categories that have been socially constructed to benefit them.
absolutely
@@Anna-cf7re r/woosh but okay.
Ethnic features? Everyone is ethnic.
You guys should really bring up how telenovelas aren't diverse at all and that white hispanics are brought up as the lead roles, including in the media!
Very true. I had genuinely thought that all Latinos were very fair skinned, some even appearing Caucasian until I met and started dating a Dominican man from Bajos de Haina. My first trip to see him, I step off the plane and see this beautiful mix of brown people in the airport and I go "WOW!". I couldn't believe it. Nearly everybody looked like me. He joked with me that the only way they'd know I wasn't one of them is when I speak. I've been taking birthday trips to DR for like 4 years until COVID hit. I really can't wait to go back because I love it there.
Exactly. Apart from a few darker brown men like Eduardo Yañez or Fernando Colunga, every other darkskinned telenovela actor is just comic relief
Then why don’t we bring up that white hispanics get no representation in US media? It’s just browns and browns and more browns. Plus some blacks too.
@@Nonamelol. okay that's not true! 1st off hispanics like Sofia Vergada, The Cast of Stuck in the Middle, and the 2 hispanic girls from Euphoria, are examples of shows choosing hispanics with more western features. Plus I'm talking about Hispanic and Latino speaking countries that revere white beauty while failing to recognize the darker shades of ppl. Plus America usually does have a diverse cast of hispanics/Latinos; so don't say that. Also for American television they usually depict hispanics with stereotypes, like the Spicy Latina trope or just slap hispanic on a character without elaborating their roots. And it's even sadder that the US as least allows Hispanics POC to at least be represented while hispanic/Latino countries don't do the same!
@@ineedmoney83 dominicans aren't Mexicans though lol mexicans are a lot more lighter skin than Dominicans
Thank y’all for commenting your stories. It really helps to understand a little more. Your stories are not invalid. 💕
This conversation was cut so short. We need the full conversation!
this should definitely be a series that’s continued.
This was a great video 👏🏽
watched the second part too
Umm I wish this was a longer discussion.
Hi - thanks for watching! Our conversation was actually over an hour long. I think there might be more parts to this so stay tuned!
Being a hella mixed Latino colorism will always exist in every culture and every race unfortunately. Especially in Latin America where the culture always frowns upon darker skin and native or afro features. It's a shame when most of us are of mixed descent and have abuelas tios etc that look so different from us but still give us unconditional love
It happens in my own family too. My great grandpa who came from Puerto Rico wasn't really nice to my cousins who were fair, but treated my siblings and I who were the same color as him nice. But my grandma who was moreno was the opposite! We would get told to stay out of the sun because we'd get too "negrito".
Completely agree! My (white) grandma didnt want my mom marrying my dad for being too dark skinned (and was afraid we, the children, would come out freckled redheads?? for some reason?); but she learned. By the time I was old enough to understand, he was her favourite son-in-law; and I can't remember her treating my older sister (who is darker) differently than me. While my sister and I are the darker ones on the white side of the family (my mom was the only sister that didn't marry another german-descendant) I never really felt it. My sister, who is "trigueña", I believe has struggled with this in school. As a toddler she didn't want to be told she was darker (she is older, and thinking about it now I can see my grandma/grandpa/their generation commenting on it in a "jokingly" manner, and the "anecdote" is told in the same way). Now tho, many of our white relatives/friends are jealous of her complexion and her ability to tan.
Honestly that first guy when he said I do pissed me off. Cuz that just discredits the other person's experience against racism and prejudice
Pissed off??? The guy called himself “Queen of Whitexicans” in the beginning of the video that means he was already aware of his proximity to whiteness so I’m confused on why he asked the other guy “so you consider me white”… like didn’t you call yourself white earlier?. And what he experienced was not racism. Racism has a lot to do with power so if you’re closer to white you may experience a bias, prejudice, and xenophobia but never racism in the same way that black,indigenous, Asian etc go through.
Some lady thought I worked at Home Depot and I had to explain I wasn’t an employee and then she realized I wasn’t wearing a orange uniform and walked away
Kudos to my Black Sista Queen perfectly summing up the actual point of the conversation. Racism is structural, colorism is prejudice
I'd like for this video to be longer.
As a white skinned Latina I have had people darker than me tell me I not Hispanic and that even if my last name was Reyes and I had an accent people would not believe I was a Latina and I've had white people tell me to go back to my country and to speak proper ingles so I disagree that light skin Latinos can't face heavy racism everyone can.
To certain people I don't pass as latino. I've had people the same shade of skin color tell me to go back to Iraq or x place in the middle east. Then I've had people tell me come on man speak Spanish you look latino as can be. And I'm like well to you maybe some people asked what part of Morocco I'm from just the other day.
That’s not racism but xenophobia
Edit: in the US, Latin Americans here are stigmatized because the majority come from developing countries and from working class/poor backgrounds and many of them are on the darker side of the skin color spectrum. There is no such thing as a Latino race or appearance contrary to what an American thinks of what they imagine a latine is supposed to look like. But because many of the undocumented immigrants coming from these countries is a brown person of lower resources there’s less empathy and sympathy for them as opposed to economic migrants from places like Europe where the majority of the population is a homogenous group fair in skin color like Ukrainians. It’s a paradox Latino culture for the most part is pretty Eurocentric since the majority comes from a Spanish speaking(euro language) Christian background. So the main factors white Americans judge and look down on Latinos for is that we’re from developing countries with a lot of brown and black people and how much proximity we don’t have to “pure whiteness” . The main conclusion to draw from this is that regardless of your nationality, religious background or language the fact that your a brown or black skinned person your just looked down upon whatever you do and that’s something white Latin Americans like for example Sofia Vergara or Guillermo del toro will never face.
As a white Latinx I feel you I’ve been told not to speak Spanish and faced being accused of not being Latinx/o but I have never had fear of being stopped by the police bc of my appearance or killed or beaten by the color of my skin . Now I have witnessed a lot micro aggressions towards me and other light skinned Latinos it’s wrong and sad but it’s not heavy racism . Heavy racism is fearing for your life ,job security,your safety. I can move throughout USA the most part without dealing with it . I don’t have an accent but I did when I was little and saw how that effected how people treated my mom . so I understand that’s a privilege I have that you don’t . Even my last name protects me bc it is not Latino. Only my passport birth place Colombia gets me searched almost every plane trip . Is it fair no but I know it would be 100% worse if I was dark skinned. I think as white Latinos we need to acknowledge that our brown and black counterparts deal with some scary shit . But trying to equate people being mean to you for being light skinned to what dark skin Latinos go through just comes off petty. We need to acknowledge we are fighting the same fight against white supremacy.bc every dark Latino that says your not Latino it comes from real place of being hurt. White Latinos that haven’t gone through their experiences and I’m grateful that i probably never will . I feel your hurt but just not the same . I think we should try to not to focus on what’s is heavy or light that all this racist shit is not ok and all a by product of white supremacy. I feel to a better ally and dismantle racism we need to acknowledge white privilege .I think acknowledging that alot people face more serious discrimination than I will ever doesn’t take away from my experiences .
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This is the new wave of wokeness. Where the darker skinned Latinos feel like they aren’t doing their job until they attack lighter skinned Latinos. Welcome to the BIPOC agenda.
Well come to the U.S., where confusion creates division.
I’m glad this is talked about because colorism is quite a big issue in our culture -coming from a darker Latina especially growing up with siblings that have very light almost-pale like skin
Buddy in the coat was trying to string together words when explaining himself instead of just taking the time to think and then speak. He definitely has an opinion that deserves to be heard but he didn’t come off compassionate and it hurt this conversation.
Facts
naw he just jerking him self off. He had no good points. Just wanted to feel superior.
yea we are like Baskin-Robbins different SABORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
It’s so hard because my intermidate family is white but the rest of the family is brown. Seeing the news about poc problems involving brown people there’s folks that have a problem with me speaking on it.
Interesting video. I definitely agree with the different aspects/ perspectives.
The guy that said sorry but wasnt apologizing I laughed cause everyone was like, nooooo dont apologize.Me in my head was like , he is not sorry lmaooo
HAHA I in fact was not sorry. I was at a loss for words lol Thank you so much for watching!
@@Marcusjo18bro that white dude talkin bout oh I get discriminated cuz im white. Tell him to stfu he don’t know. Good job cuz yea the true definition of racist is thinking you are better than a race because of the color of your skin.
I still remember the Afro-Latina host of Noticias on Telemundo getting harassed a couple of years back and she’s one of the few. Tbh, these conversations will get harder when it comes to jobs at the makeup counter, receptionists and media where Afros and Indigenous have been hidden from whether due to perception or Adelante de la raza. Other hard conversations will be internally as in the 1950s Those in Corpus Christi could ride the front of the bus as Mexicans were considered White (LILAC) legally regardless of signs on hotels/bars etc. After MLK was ended in 1968, in the 70s there was a shift to where Mexicans are seen/identified as Brown.
I think a big issue here is that some white passing Latines have a hard time identifying as white because culturally and through our own experiences we don’t resonate with white/American culture. BUT based on skin color because we can be perceived as white we do have privileges compared to our darker skin toned Latine community and that undeniably offers a different and less privileged experience. I say less privilege because there’s also the issue of citizenship and how that offers privilege compared to undocumented folx.
All of this to say I think reverse racism is not a thing and Marcos saying he sees the white Latine as a white person makes sense. I think if they actually asked themself who perceives them as a white person they would have to say most people PURELY based on skin color.
White is white
You can be white latinos i don’t get how hard that is 💀
@@gibbgabba91 These people make it harder than it actually is. They take something as simple as the fact that there’s two genders and turn it into rocket science for example. Same thing with race, they make everything more complicated than it is.
Probably because white latinos are not considered Caucasian. That's why in the census or when you apply anywhere and it asks for you to identify yourself it always has, white (not hispanic or latino). In the U.S you're not viewed as white.
When you fill out a survey and at end they ask what is your ethnicity, there is a separate choice for “white, not Hispanic” which to me is like, huh?
Why is that huh to you? Latinos come in any race.
Because Hispanics isn’t a race while white, black, etc are. Hispanic is a culture.
Yeah they want to make sure the applicant is actually a caucasian person not a white hispanic.
This discussion should have been longer
Honestly, this was an interesting video. But I can't help but feel we've just come to a point where "No matter what your background is. No matter what your ethnicity, race, history, experiences etc. If you have lighter skin, the conclusion is you can never be a victim of anything." And that unhealthy way of thinking leads to a type of racism (or whatever the new hip lingo is). Because guess what? Making an assumption, whatever it is, simply based off the skin color of someone (black, brown, white, yellow) is RACIST.
So ridiculous. The BIPOC agenda is working overtime.
Yup finally someone said it
Yeah and unironically they think they’re so educated yet if they just google the definition of racism they’ll see that any race can experience
Thank you! I feel both can be true, that those of us lighter skin have more privilege but can also have hatred thrown at us. It’s odd how the a victim mentality totally blocks your view to others reality.
Not quite, you are describing stereotyping. Racism is looking at a race or person and their skin/ethnicity and seeing them as inferior as a result of it.
Do not forget the racism against pure blooded Indios or near pure blooded Cholos by Blancos, Castizos, Mestizos, Pardos, And Mulattoes.
I wish this video was longer
Latinx with proximity to whiteness do have a lot of unpacking to do. It is so common for light skinned latine people to think they are as brown as their indigenous or afro latine peers. Fact is that it’s not true and we must all work on unpacking our positionality within white supremacy and the privilege we are afforded or not so.
My brown partner has had a white latino compare their arms with theirs and fully believe they were the same color.
You are so cringe and so brainwashed by the bipoc/woke agenda.
Being brown has NOTHING to do with afro latinos. It was coined by us Mexicans in the USA before the arrival of any other type of Latinos and it was a term that endorsed the mestizaje aka European/Indigenous blood, especially indigenous blood. Brown pride is that, MEXICAN pride. Other Latinos need to stop using our term.
That's what happens when people's history isn't taught to them. People think they're equal and that slavery is dead at the expense of not knowing their own identity. Blame the gov, not the person, they most likely didn't know any better. It's on purpose, our history is just not in textbooks at all.
First of Latinx don’t use that fukin word. It’s a slur thought up by the racist liberals that wanna make our culture disappear and make us like them. second tf u talkin about brown partner.
Indigenous & Afro Latinos deserve more representation and support. Period
Only indigenous
nice discussion.
Always a great conversation to have since there's colorism in every culture/background.
I always find it odd that some people think racism only involves White people. Any- and everyone can be racist. The belief or practice was historically by one race, but it's evolved since then. 9/11 and the recent spree of attacks on Asians have shown that all people can engage in racist behavior.
I totally agree with you, look at my first name and my mom was so afraid that I would be put on the "DNFL - do not fly list"...But, that never happened because they were going based of last names not first names...I know a couple last Rafi that actually had an issue flying 😡🤦🏾♀️😤
Racism is largely understood to be systemic. In the USA, there is 1 group that controls said system. Anyone can be prejudiced. Anyone can be discriminatory. Anyone can be a bigot. Anyone can be a white supremacist. Not everyone has the power to wield those things against others, hence the widely held belief that non white people can't be racist. Words mean things, and there are plenty of resources to help you not find these concepts odd.
Let’s be honest. Racism was started in WHITE SUPREMACY. Racism was derived from white men and women. The only people to benefit off of racism are who? Look at the oppressors and the oppressed. Look at the slave owners and the slaves. Every single time it has been the same perpetrator. The same time over and over, racism has involved white people. Racism is an act. But let’s not erase that racism was given birth by white men. White people love to take credit for so many inventions that where actually discovered and created by people of color, or non white people. Funny how the one thing they don’t want the credit for is racism. Like how suddenly everyone loved and adored MLKJR after he was murdered, but was literally out for his head when he was alive. We need to stop lying and making things seem like they aren’t “a big deal”. Racism costs people their lives. No more brushing things off of certain peoples shoulders. We need to stop trying to white wash, to hide, to undermine, to Diminish and disrespectfully excuse this. Racism involved white people because white people benefit off of racism. Racism involved white people because white people invented racism. Racism involved white people because the biggest terroristic threat in America, to this day, are WHITE SUPREMACISTS. SINCE TIMES OF SLAVERY, TO THIS VERY DAY. Racism was given birth by white terrorist. So what does that tell you?
@@bee8368 So racism is only a systematic practice? Got it.
@@bee8368 if a bIack person beats up an Asian person or a white person because of their skin color that is still RACISM, so yes.....every human being on the planet has the ability to be racist towards another person of another race. You people just like to shift the definition of the word "racism" to now mean "sYsTeMaTiC rAcIsM" all of a sudden, when racism is just racism at the end of the day, no matter HOW much power thr aggressor does or does not posess.
I honestly didn’t understand what the guy in yellow was trying to say and what the guy in the flannel was disagreeing about? It just sounded like flannel guy wanted to discredit the guys experience because he’s lighter..?
The same thing happens in Mexico, i get called "whitexican" by darker-skinned people just because I'm light, and it's just baffling especially considering that they grew up a lot more privileged than I was...
Yep you’re 100% right, that’s exactly what happened.
That’s exactly what happened
You people seriously just lack the intellectual capacity to understand what the brown man was saying. Him being a brown minority is seen as a negative to people aswell as law enforcement. The lighter Mexican experience of "he got pulled over because he's light is absolutely not the same nor true". He talked about being in TJ. If you've ever been there you'd know there is a lot of lighter/white mexicans. He tried to associate his skin color to being pulled over when in those areas that is simply is not true. He more than likely was pulled over because hes an American driving a decent car WITH american plates. Mexican police know that Americans from the U.S coming in have money! That simple, your color is irrelevant. If he was driving a regular car with Mexican plates no one who have batted an eye because there is a lot of light Mexicans there that are broke. It's the American from the U.S that is the reason.
@@jacquelinetorres740wow! I can relate to this
I'm a Mexican white male who was born and raised in Mexico, and also lives in Mexico. I'm a short male with natural dirty blond hair.
I have never experienced an advantage from being white.
I think that tall brown men have way more advantages in getting jobs, and dating than a white short male.
A study was done to confirm that for men, height is the main commodity when it comes to so-called physical attractiveness..not skin colour, hair or facial features
@@blueblaze9862 I know there studies prove what I'm saying. But it only took high-school for me to realize that being tall is a way greater advantage than being white.
@leonardo899 It sucks. But eventually women kinda realize what's impt
@@blueblaze9862 Once they hit the wall. By then, who cares about them.
Can't look past your own experiences. Sign of being an ego-centric child.
White Latinos are typically treated better but they still face a level of marginalization and othering by US whites. In my experience European/US white people don’t view them as “also white” despite similar skin color. They clock facial features, names and accents and gate keep better than anybody. That being said it’s obviously more difficult the darker skin you are.
They don't? But somehow vote for Nazi laws in the U.S. and treat relatives with darker skin like pariahs.
Grow up
It'a true Whites in the U.S do not view white/lighter latinos as white. That's why many lighter Latinos try to hide that theyre Mexican and change their names like if their name is Jose theyll go by Joe and if its Roberto theyll go byy Rob, Robert. Juan, John, etc. The last name tells it all though.
I think the difference is when your life or livelihood are in danger because of how you look
Vs just being inconvenienced or insulted
And I think if most light skinned Latinos examined the prejudice against them,
They may find it was because they are deemed foreigners not because of how they look
Colonialism is a hell of a divisive drug. Understand that buying into colorism benefits wealthy elites that don't want the common citizenry to think of and treat one another as ONE PEOPLE.
See the trap, avoid the trap.
I grew up not knowing colorism because in my family we are all different colors … but I agree it exists
This should have definitely been longer!!! I want the full episode. I agree with the gentleman who called out the white Latino. His answers came off very…defensive and also lacking empathy or understanding which is honestly expected and kind of…typical behavior.
Hi - thanks for watching! Our conversation was actually over an hour long! I think there might be more parts to this so stay tuned! Things definitely got a little interesting in there but the conversation overall was great. He received my words very well and we were able to walk away amicably!
@@Marcusjo18 bro you getting pulled over is not enough to claim some sort of racism. Lol I am a white looking Mexican and I have gotten pulled over too and I've been asked if I'm under the influence. And that "white" mexican wouldn't even survive in a black hood without getting harassed, just like it happened to me in Georgia until I knocked their disgusting teeth out. You have a victim mentality which is typical of your kind, im sure you have a lot of black friends...
that was a weirdly abrupt edit
Really stimulating
lol how about maybe SOME latino families have a cow over skin color, not most. We're of all shades in my family, from morenos to a guero with blue eyes and blond hair and green eyes mofos... no one was trying to bleach us or taking down about skin color in mi familia.
En nuestra cultura latina hispana no tiene que existir esas diferencias colorism o racismo, todos pero todos somos mestizos de una o otra manera
Estoy de acuerdo, a lo mejor es porque no vivo en USA y cuando me empece a enterar por las redes sociales que el tema del racismo se vive distinto a como se vive en Latinoamerica, me hizo pensar mucho. Creo que las experiencias de los latinos en USA en comparacion con los latinos que vivimos acá en Latam son muy distintas. Es verdad que la gente con tez mas clara tiene mas privilegios pero todos somos mestizos.
Las categorias que usamos para nosotros deberian ser distintas a las que usan los estadounidenses
I am latino and white as hell. I know i have it easier than other people, i had a friend in Highschool who was arrested just because he resembled a guy...
But that guy with the glasses saying "you cannot sit with us because you haven't suffer what we had", i don't know, seems like unnecessary gate keeping, the bald but is trying to find community, even if his problems are not as severe as yours.
He is basically saying "you are not brown enough to be considered one of us". Even though he said he was discriminated for it.
I am sure, even as a white person, if i go to europe or the US and start talking with my Latino accent i am going to be treated differently. Its not just skin color.
oh bohoo bro gtfo with that woah is me.
@@animalbeast6564 is like a reunion for veterans and one lost both legs and the other didn't loose any body parts but saw all of his friends die. And the guy with no legs saying "you are not a veteran, you haven't suffer the same as us".
Not everyone is the exact same, like a lot of things in life, it is a spectrum.
Primero🔥
Friggin' love it! 🤓
I'm going to have to agree with Marcos and I'm glad he stood up and said something. I was thinking the same thing that Marcos said before Marcos even said anything while Daniel was talking. Like Daniel literally called himself the "Queen of whitexicans" but then also called himself brown? Even if it's a joke he still acknowledged his proximity to whiteness.
Thank you for watching! I definitely thought it was important to call him in when he was (in my eyes) comparing his experience to racism. It was a great conversation and he took it really well. I think there might be more parts to this so stay tuned!
Whitexican has NOTHING to do with skin color, it is a term invented in Mexico for the people who have money. The first person to be called a Whitexican was some privilege brown lady the same color of Marcos who thought she was above others for speaking English.
0:36 that foo's all butt hurt,
mexicans don't really care if you're black or white, but yes, we do tease each other, but not in a bad way.
What the white latino said is interesting cuz I'm Scandinavian. Born and raised, my dad is native swed and mom mexican. I'm sure on first glance that most would assume I'm latino and he is Caucasian, but after hearing us talk more, people would probably realize I'm more white than him
Din poäng är vad??
Sound more white? Alot of Latinos sound white like what do you mean?
So do you speak less like a native Swede than your counterparts because you're half Mexican? He's from Mexico. That's why he has a Latin accent. Language ability and fluency has much less to do with race than people think.
Im a Dominican that grew up in sweden. I dont understand your point in your coments. I find it wierd.
“Talking white” isn’t a thing. Y’all feed into stereotypes so much that if someone talks “white” it makes them less Latino, which makes no sense at all and is completely wrong
Its in your mind. I see insecurity. If you validate your self externally you will never be enough for anybody. When your comfortable with who you are you don’t see or care about any on this. This is when you attract everything. Humans relate to energy. If you shown insecure energy, you attract insecure energy. It’s in your mind.
The dude with the glasses is exactly what light skin brown people experience over and over again. Of course the darker your skin is, the more racism you experience. I am not arguing my privilege due to my proximity to whiteness. What I’m saying is that not belonging to your own people because they view you as white hurts so bad. I understand why my people treat me the way they do. But, it also still hurts, deeply. Because in the end, Caucasians don’t accept me fully. So, I’m left without community. It seems the only folks who understand are mixed folks. I’m not even mixed. I just happened to come out light. But the closest I can relate is when mixed race people express their hurt and frustration with colorism.
Hi! Thanks so much for watching! I wasn't saying that Daniel has not experienced hardship or discrimination for being white. I actually named that his experiences could have been related to a biased, or other form of discrimiination. However, not because of racism, since he is not a brown person. I hope that makese sense. :)
@@Marcusjo18 not really. Let me explain why. When I taught school as a paraprofessional for 10 years, my boss asked me why I was an instructor. He flat out told me my people belong in custodial and if I didn’t like what he said that I could take it up with administration and see if they cared. And he was right, administration didn’t care. I used to live on a predominantly white town in Oregon. White people constantly clocked my indigenous features. They always made sure I understood my place amongst them. So, even those of us who are white passing or lighter skinned than our darker skinned brown kin, we still get discriminated against due to our race, therefore it is racism. I’m 30% Native American according to my DNA profile. I do NOT consider myself to be white. I most definitely suffer from racism. I know I have it better than my darker skinned peeps. But that doesn’t mean racism doesn’t affect me too.
@@Marcusjo18 He is brown, he's mexican.
My mom is from Colombia and she is referred to as La Negrita for being darkest in the family. I mean it’s become a pretty regular nickname now for her… but still kinda triste
But _negrito/negrita_ is also used for non dark skinned people as a general term of endearment. Don't feel too bad.
My dad calls my super pale son _mi negrito_ as well. I'm _ehh_ about it.
Pues a una prima le decimos negrita o negra y ni siquiera es de piel oscura; y nunca se enoja por eso.
Es un carino.
As a white Mexican I’ve personally never experienced any actual racism or discrimination. Though the colorism I experienced isn’t as bad as that of darker skinned Latinos, it still doesn’t feel great to be told I’m not Hispanic or people denying my heritage simply because I came out a shade lighter. When being biracial it’s always a 50/50 shot when it comes to which side you look more like. It’s not something we can control. Hell I have cousins who are less Hispanic than me but they still look more Hispanic than me. I was never raised around the culture or community, because my mother wasn’t either(not something she had control over). But I’ve done my best in recent times to learn the culture and try to be apart of it. Regardless, no matter my efforts to integrate the culture into my life and how much pride I have of my heritage, I still don’t feel accepted into the community. I’m 50% Mexican and 50% white, you’d think someone of two races would be accepted into both communities but that’s hardly ever the case. That isn’t just limited to half white people. In general, I wish I could’ve grown up around the culture because it’s an amazing culture, and many times I wish I was just a tone darker just so I could be accepted into the community. I know looking white has given me benefits, but I wish I could just feel accepted into my own ethnic community because I am nothing but proud of my Hispanic heritage. But it is what it is I guess.
Are they actual latinos or are they born and raised in the U.S.?
Exactly. These are all born and raised in the US which is fine, but their philosophies and experiences regarding race and colorism are different than those philosophies found in Latin America.
@@dangercat9188 a Latino is someone that was born in Latin America or that was raised in Latin America, it is not a race. Anyone in Latin America would consider you a gringo/gringa. I am Mexican with Spanish citizenship because of my ancestors but I don’t go on saying I am spanish-mexican, it sounds ridiculous. I am a proud Mexican born and raised here, only Americans do this which is really weird and the fact that many Americans use being a “Latino” to get pity points or use it as a personality trait makes me sick. You are not a “Latino” you were raised in the U.S. with a very different culture and values, you have no concept of what it is like to live in modern day Latin America with its many problems and politics, if anything your ancestors were Latinos, you are Americans. It is that simple.
@@u2b891Well if you had ever stepped foot in the U.S you would know why. Of course Mexicans from the U.S know they're not Mexican and just American, but they have been labelled as such not by themselves but by Caucasians. Not just them either but everyone else does the same example, "African Americans", etc. It's hilarious because i've lived in Mexico for a while to learn more and if you go and say you're not Mexican you're an American from the U.S they will get mad and say you're behaving like a pretentious person and that you think you're white now just because you were born there and denying where your family came from etc. However, if you say you're Mexican they deny you that too. They will only label you as they see fit. So many Americans of the U.S of Mexican descent carry Mexican pride and are vocal only to find out Mexicans(Mexico) do not view them as such and will deny them that. Mexicans are wild in Mexico and not the same from the ones with acnestry in the U.S. The ones from the U.S in my experience are more sincere and genuine.
Great conversation...it's the story of my life... in the middle... "somos Mestizos"
That last point the gal made. *chef’s kiss*
I feel almost like I’m forced to relocate or leave my current work. It’s almost as if I’ve gotta reintroduce myself all over again, daily, weekly or monthly. I may appear to be “white” but I am a brown person. I’m Latino and very proud of it. My skin tone, although extremely light, it does not define who I am. I will NEVER say that I’m white. No offense to anyone I share this fair skin tone with, I’m just different and I’m happy with who I am.
My 27 year old daughter has expressed this to me with pain. She sees my as a white latina and says she watches people treat me better than her. When she expresses that to me it saddens me bc I don't see it.
It's a shame you don't see it. "White privilege" truly does make a difference to lived life experience.
@@LisaF777 Jesus just expressing. What's sad is one post people like to shame the person. You think people can honestly always see it. I don't live with my daughter but see her a few times a month, only interacting with her. So when I say I don't, I don't. I've seen what people lack that is a shame, is asking questions to get a better perspective. Hummmm, so you don't see it, are you around your daughter often? Let's start there. Smh
Don’t listen to these weirdos. If it’s not black, then it can’t be a victim. Anyone’s experience doesn’t matter unless you are black.
@@imalwaysright.6663 nobody says that besies twittetards
As a first generation light brown Latino, I’ve experienced situations (with authority, or the general public) that seemed off like “do you work here” or cops being complete assholes, but I think it’s important not to default everything to racism especially when there could be a million reasons why they said something off putting or you just felt a particular way. Whenever you feel your in one of those interactions express yourself calmly and eloquently, doing so will elicit a different response.
They want to be victims so bad. It’s trendy.
This was really good! Where can I watch more?
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Where is the rest of the video?
Damn that shade
This the content I'm here for
Is there anyone there from Spain? I wanted to go there for school but I heard some stories........
Depends what part. You’ll be fine in Salt but idk abt Madrid anymore lmao
@@user-hx4le1vn2c I see. Thank you!
I think I'll just stay where I am💀
Where do you want to go?
Honestly, as a dark skinned Cuban-American, I had much better experiences in Spain than South America. People seemed to understand globalism
I'm an Afro Latina but was raised as a Black woman. I don't know my Dominican roots because I was given up for adoption at 4yrs. An Italian and Black-American raised me. Because my DNA is so mixed up people don't see me as Black and can't figure out what I am when first meeting me. I can pass for Egyptian, Middle Eastern, Jamaican, Guyanese, Moroccan or Native American. The craziest label I've ever gotten is being call Swedish or Bulgarian. I've experienced colorism as well as racism from different clusters. I've even gotten into arguments with others about my ethnicity.🤦🏽♀️
Sounds like you have identity issues.
@@imalwaysright.6663
You totally misunderstood my post.
@@imalwaysright.6663 Earlier in life almost all multiracial individuals have race issues until we come to know ourselves and that all of us are human beings with the same wants and needs.
Lmao the bald guy really tried to make it seem like he has it hard. First of all having lived in North Mexico there tends to be a lot of lighter/white Mexicans. So he would not have been confused as a white man. Trust me Mexicans in NM know who is a caucasian and who is just a light Mexican. If anything the reason he got pulled over and hassled is because he's an American from the U.S and they know he more than likely has money. As for the brown man he actually faces colorism because in the u.s and in many parts of Mexico he would be seen as lower/beneath/pooree than the lighter Mexicans with Euro features. I'm glad he called out the bald man lol.
Omg!!!!! I want more!!!!
The lighter you are the better you will be treated thats all there is to it
Unless you’re in a group where you are the only light one. Prepare to be attacked by the woke mob.
I live in a weird realm of not being accepted fully by either culture. If I didn’t say anything I could pass as a white Latina or just a white person. Other Latinos will recognize me and my name and assume I’m Spanish and white people will look only at my skin and say I’m white. Being a no sabes kid means that I get called a “spicy white person” or not a “true Hispanic” and both white people and Latinos discount my experience of growing up in a half Spanish family. From other stories I’ve heard, I definitely feel for mixed people and their struggle of not being fully accepted from either side.
I have a similar experience. That said, at the end of the day, It’ll be like the Irish, where we kick down the darker people so much, we’re then included in a fake “whiteness” that gives us privilege around darker people but none of the benefit among white people.
This is the trendy thing to do and it’s only going to get worse. They feel good when they attack light skinned Latinos. They feel like woke super heroes.
When you say your family is half Spanish do you mean like from Spain? If so you are not Latina but you are Hispanic. Here’s the difference: Latino/Latina = from Latin America, Hispanic = from any Spanish speaking country. Or you’re probably using the term Spanish wrong to say half your family is from a Spanish speaking country if so you should say Hispanic instead. You should say Spanish only if you mean from Spain.
I'm a light-skinned Mexican and while i might not face the struggle of not being accepted because I live in Mexico i do face criticism from my fellow Mexicans calling me "white & privileged" or "whitexican" only because of my skin tone is absolutely ridiculous especially when they grew up a lot more privileged than i was... it's just baffling
@@jacquelinetorres740 privileged in social interactions which can lead to better treatment overall. You're hella pretty btw
That girl in the green got surprised when she got called brown and think she is blanquita. lol
She looks like a "triguena" to me. Maybe in the Caribbean she is seen as a "blanquita" over there since they live close to Haiti and those people are basically pure black Africans.
Cant judge people by their looks nor do people themsleves sometimes even know who they are
Respect for the brighter latino to not explode on that matter. I'm mixed and maybe a little darker than him. U don't say that of your experience others can't that experience. Me and the likes of him don't "belong" to no culture bc u notice on one sight that he ain't white nor "dark enough" for Mexicans. The darker one might get racism in the US but the brighter one everywhere.
That's my experience.
Personally I do think racism can go both ways. Is is as common for a white dude to experience it, NO, but it can happen.
Nah, racism has a lot to do with power, the closer you are to whiteness you’re not going to experience racism the same way that other racial groups may go through. White people may experience Prejudice, bigotry, or xenophobia but not racism
@@lola92598 racism by definition is treating someone differently or poorly regardless of what skin color they have. So if you humiliate and target someone based on how they look and their skin color, you are racist. Period. No one is except from that
They really need to start having IQ tests before allowing anyone on these panels .
@perolike
Stop assuming we know what all the flags represent and just tell us their nations
White Latino: “so you see me as a white person?” Oof yeah white Latinos have a lot to learn. Myself included. I am honored to learn our history and to acknowledge the inherent privilege
denying that reverse racism does not exist is a little bit hypocritical.
¿Colorismo? Mamita, ninguno de los que comentan acá es Latino, jaja.
There’s only five races white that includes Italians and the Irish and European Jews,black,Asian Chinese Japanese Korean Laotian Vietnamese Filipino also includes south Asians like Indians Pakistanis Bangladeshians etc,Native American like Cherokee Choctaw Navajo etc and Pacific Islander like Samoan or Hawaiian Latinos are a mixed blood with several races.
Over all. Everyone in here needs to speak for themselves.
I sont know what theyvare talking abouy. Im light skinned and i have experienced racism at work, stores, subways, and im really sick of the latin race problem being between afro latinoes and the rest of us. Most of us are multiple ethnicities and you hardly ever hear about indigenous discrimination and erasure and moat latinoea have more indigenous anceatry than african. That being said most of us are part africann and we should be proud of that as well regardlea of how you present
“I dont think a white person can experience racism the same way”
Correction: “I am letting the feelings get involved with the facts therefore I’m saying this bs to cope with the fact that 200 years ago is not today.
Yeah. Keep telling yourself that you care about "facts" lol
@@carlosesteves5857 Google is free
@@Nonamelol.Give us examples then.
@@cloudynsa white kid being bullied for being white is an example 😂
Who told the bald guy he passes as white? I’m literally dying rn 😂😂
He never said he did, he said he's BROWN
By skin color he is white. If anyone can’t see that then they are blind. Now genetically, he still most likely is white dominant given his phenotype but still has native admixture since it also appeared in his facial phenotype. But I guess we’ll never know for sure unless he takes a dna test. Also you don’t have to be 100 percent a certain race to be that race just have the physical features and be that race dominantly in terms of genetics. Since thats what race is, shared physical characteristics among a group of people.
So I think what the lighter skin Mexican is trying to convey wasn't reverse racism and is still in the realm of colorism. What light Latinos face is a feeling of rejection by their own people which is an emotional hardship. We get the privileges that come with being light but also get rejected by our own on a daily (example is that guy saying he sees the light skin latino as white... I know that stung to be rejected AGAIN even in this conversation of colorism. That guy was being colorist!). The hardships that darker Latinos face are both emotional and tangible and they get it from both white people and their own people. Now if we are comparing hardships, of course, darker Latinos and afro Latinos have it way worse. That doesn't mean that us light Latinos don't have our own hardships.
I think this conversation is good to have, but maybe get some light Latinos that have studied this topic and can express themselves more clearly, so they don't get attacked. I appreciate the afro Latina cutting in to cool the situation. She is obviously educated on the difference between racism and prejudice.
@ the end I was she,them was like so smart I 😳😆
A conversation that needs to happen more in our community. Colorism leaves deep scars that last a long time. People definitely need to admit and check their privilege. These conversations are difficult, but necessary. The more we talk about it, the more we normalize acknowledging how wrong it is and call it out more.
Yeah, you want to see more lighter skinned Latinos get attacked. That will make you feel better.
we deal with this in Filipino culture as well. just look at our history of "puti" (white) miss universes while kayumanggis/morenas are still in the shadows.
Colorism NEEDS to exist. How are you going to describe a suspect/victim/missing person? My mom calls my dad "prieto" while my mom is a "guera" so what's the problem with that?
Yeah but Negative colorisim doesn't its hirts people nore ways then you think. Its fine describing someone who you are trying to find just don't use it as another way to be racist!
Because colorism isn’t a description. Colorism means discrimination.