Why Mid Sivir is Hot in KR Challenger
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I personally faced mid Sivir quite a few times in solo rank back in the day, and felt incredibly helpless🥲
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Slight correction at 1:46
Sivir's Q deals full damage to multiple targets as long as there is no minion/monster in between, the damage modifier is reset on the return but it's really important to try and not hit minions if your purpose is to poke for maximum damage.
Q spell loses to a maximum of 60% damage if you hit 4 non-champion before reaching your target
Thanks for the comment !☺
99% of league players: OMG mid sivir !!!!!
S1 league players: so it seems we’ve come full circle…
next up: ashe mid
Yep! what a time!
All we had to do as ad carries was just play them mid lane
The reason for that many adcs in mid lane is not that going bot with an adc is bad, its just that adcs are so broken that its better to have multiple adcs in one team rather than having nerfed mages or assassins in mid.
And considering Kai’sa was popular in mid lane few seasons ago too….
@@zagon4177 Its funny you say that with all the buff to mages this patch. Syndra is literally god tier against almost anything especially adcs, and im saying this literally mostly playing syndra.
@@tomekl3476tell that to pro players 😂
gj phreak
To answer peoples concerns about mana on sivir, only q and w waves you need to hard push cause of gank pressure or to poke. Most of the time you're last hitting and letting the wave build up so you can one shot it under tower and farm items once you are weak early still
I know it's not cool to give up some attack speed on your first item, but closing Essence Reaver and having infinite man is a lot of fun. You can keep spamming Q and W many times you want.
A lot of people forget, even on mages, that autoing the wave stacks up damage to make for a decent push. I do it to conserve mana as Lissandra, especially if you have range advantage. During laning phase against mana champs, you're not just poking HP, you're baiting and forcing abilities to poke their mana as well, since most casters are massively weaker when they're unable to use their abilities. With good mana management on waveclear you can force them to back and lose waves, or either be unable to last-hit under tower or risk a dive.
two videos in one day, pog
bomba💥
@@LoLDobby you are the goat ✌
both are about ADC mids ☠️☠️
This was great last patch, now on live patched they nerfed Kraken MS as well as dmg for ranged champs. As well as fleet nerf
Nevertheless, mid Sivir is a pick that could come at any time, so I've covered it ☺
@@LoLDobby and that is why we love you Dobby, you are always there for us
Just go statikk instead and farm easier
Wow Sivir on LoLDobby? I gotta watch this as an otp
14 years in and we're back at season 1?
finally the video ive been waiting for, sivir was one of my fav champs to play and i always loved playing her in the midlane, her clear made you roam very fast and help junglers. i never had a problem with laning phase until hwei was released i get out ranged, out wave cleared and out damaged :(
They’re just going through every adc in mid rn I stopped playing weeks ago lmao
To this day I still play Blue Split Push Sivir in the midlane, you have an enormous harass potential and you can punish roaming enemies by taking down their towers. High mobility champs will eat you up but thanks to your wave clear you dont lose that many gold, R is really useful to help in TF or use to roam to other lanes.
LolDobby uploading videos of my fav champs these days really makes happy, you're videos always have helped improve somehow and learn new play styles love u keep up the good work
I refuse to believe a KR Challenger Azir stays under tower with 1 HP against a Sivir. This has got to be someone boosting in low elo.
So early no one will see that Dobby is my favorite youtuber
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Love when you upload it's always something unique ❤
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It's akshan but without revive
With aoe speed boost and a free cleanse pog
You can say about any auto attacker with that logic...
@@boneless70like be fr only thing that akshan and sivir have jn common is their q
And both Ad Ranged and cringe
@@littleboijakob2737 yeah, and twitch is also like akshan cuz he can go into stealth? What a weird logic to go off of
ADC mid brings me back. I remember Ashe and Sivir mid being meta back in the day
thanks for the content as always dobby .... can u make a draven video please ... i tried browsing ur channel for one but i did not find any
I've always been an advocate of Sivir mid! It just makes a lot of sense with the win condition being having lane prio and helping the jungler with objectives!
I wish could back to season 1-2-3. So excited!
As an adc player, I should be happy that the class is strong in the meta right now, the thing is that marksmen became so dominant that people are playing it on top and mid lane, meaning most of my emerald games my team comp is squishy and has no engage or frontline or is full ad because people just wanna play adc and don't think about the team comp. I'm being forced to play ziggs most at least half of my games to ensure we have at least ap damage. I really hope Riot make some changes to ensure adc is played mainly in bot lane
Excited to see how the NA server will pick this up and run it down BigBrother
I’m surprised Mid Sivir hadn’t come to mid earlier. Her kit seems good for pushing waves and poking the enemy, and she can deal with midlaners that rely on comboing their opponent really easily.
I might be biased because of my boomer glasses though. Sivir was a notable sight in mid WAY back then
Hey Dobby I've been following you for a while now, I just wanted to say that I think its really cool that you are gonna start doing 1 on 1 sessions! Best of luck with that
Ooooh Thank you
So basically it's the same principle as Sivir on ARAM (pre aram nerf). Full cleaning powerhouse, insane pushing potential and abusing prio.
Been saying Sivir mid was good for at least 5 years, fun to see it finally being played at a high level.
I credit Phreak's team for this one as well.
I'm usually so stingy in losing my shield as malzahar mid and Sivir getting rid of it every other wave will either be the death of me or I'll learn to not care about losing my shield so much.
Man I had a feeling a while back that sivir mid was going to be good because it’s safe feeling
Loving seeing a mid sivir int my lane and then seeing this video on the feed
Amazing videos i been here since the start of the channel. Thru the beifeng videos too and you learnimg qiayana aswell. Any chance you could do the best belveth jg guide? I would love it so much
My rammus mid is going to enjoy this season
I used to play Sivir mid before, here is the problems:
You push, waste all the mana, the enemy dodge your Q and go away of your W, they farm under tower dodging your Q, if you try to get closer to attack them with auto attacks or to attack the tower to get plates the jungler gank you
If they roam you can't follow them since they are going into bushes and they could be just waiting you there to kill you
If there are early fight with the jungler you can't do much because Sivir is not so strong in early, so if you help you and your team die and your team flame you and if you dont help, your team die aswell and flame you
Wait this is literally just malzahar but auto attacks and without the ult
Adc mains complaining about how it sux playing adc. Turns out they were just in the wrong lane
Look what happens when ADC mains get tired of useless supports in bottom lane
More like what happens when adc is such a broken role that it can get flexed into solo lanes.
When adc doesnt understand other role such as support, they say their role useless, lol
6:00 that must be the first time i saw a statick kill tbh
One of the best league channels out there
remember that adc mains say adc is the weakest role, yet they are played in all lanes except jungle and support
Ashe, Jhin, Twitch, Kalista, and most importantly Senna are all played in support, and Kindred, Twitch, Teemo, Graves, Zeri, and Quinn are played in jungle.
Do you even play league?
Are you stupid
So after trist we have sivir
Nice
Blud was very lucky to survive that first fight, that Corki was bad jesus...
The power of a surprise pick. x)
How is mana not constantly going to be a problem?
Presence of Mind in main runepage.
Thanks to:
1. Her kits not using mana that much. Q for 75 mana and W for 60 mana.
2. She does not use skills as much as mages in a teamfight and still puts out a huge damage.
she only needs one ability per wave, whereas most mages need 2 or 3 to get close to her push speed.
Clear waves with Statikk + one skill Q or W, doesn't take much mana.
@@darby1995mana is also restored whenever she blocks with e iirc
I think it's very refreshing to see new picks being used. i hope it only gets nerfed if it's too strong but not to the point they make it dissappear entirely.
Sivir: *Boomerang!*
Korean Ziggs: *DANDADANDADADAN!*
Dear @LolDobby there are currently 2 new(and only) Challenger Cho Gath OTPs on KR and EUW server. CHO GOD and SAKURITOU pls do an analysis video on them.
This reminds me the old Sivir MID Soul Harvest + Lethality....
One Q and you just PUFF!
To me is insane that all the adcs that are bad in botlane suddenly they're op in solo lanes , vayne in bot is completly shit in toplane is turbo op , sivir is terrible in bot and suddenly in mid is op , lucian is only situational and in mid is turbo broken , corki in bot is unplayable but in mid is op and same for tristana , maybe is not the champs and is actually the role itself
2 levels worth of stats make a pretty big difference.
Been since the xayah mid meta like 2 years ago that i played adcs mid (xayah kai'sa jinx) and roughly a year i play mages bot (taliyah lux ahri syndra). Its like adcs are better mid and mages better bot
Malphite can counter but just wave clear and dont fight then roam might be the option.
Sivir can take over when her w is max (lv 13) so mid lane makes a lot of sense, I like it
Its like watching me play Swain vs Nidalee in season 1 in the midlane :(
We’ve come all the way back to season 1 playing adc mid 😅
ppl always underestimate sivir q range idk why
Always played and thought that it was extremely broken
2:23 - How is that actually a Challenger game ? O.o
I think its just because ADCs are hot rn tbh. I love facing 3 ADCs on a team.
Its so weird now, people swap ap for bot as a carry and then swap adc to mid lane as a counter, now i hope maybe we will have dual mid lane as a counter to it. Then 2 side lane build tanky and become another island while 3 man fighting non stop at mid.
Wait a second? Did they remove lethal tempo in lol PC?
Lethal tempo and predator
in short it is because corki was op and sivir can block his q. It is that simple
Ofc the best metas get discovered when i cant play league
Hey Dobby I was wondering if you have seen the Locket of the Iron Solari rush Varus mid build? I think it’s pretty good and is a great alternative to the top Varus build that was meta for a bit. The Solari really carries in the early game and makes you really hard to kill
I'll check it . Thank you !
how is black cleaver on her as a mid-late item? since bounces would apply the armor shred to everyone
We are sooo back to season 1
reminder! it looks easy because the showed gameplay is a challenger player and it's really hard to copy that playstyle.
It's still funny to see adc players complaning every years that their role/champion are bad while being able to play their champions/role on every single lane while countering every other champion in the game.
As it turns out, it wasn't ADCs that sucked. It's the position that sucks.
"Why Mid Sivir---"
No no no no, you mean "Why Mid ADCs"
Ah yes, the league beta-test experience in 2024.
The best counter for lux mid
sivir lol, hanabi mlbb, houyi Hok are my favorite adc, marksman, farmlane heroes
remove durability patch buff on adc = top and mid adc meta ends
7:59 the thing is any viable assasin can easily kill an adc 2x over with any lead so cutting damage in half rarely actually saves you
Well assasins will have hard time getting lead against sivir in mid. They cant realy all in cause sivir E and barrier
@@ragaw3212 roaming is super strong and it's not like burning spellshields is impossible
@@kawaiiempoleon8721 it's a higher Elo pick, just like other adc picks, I wouldn't recommend a plat to play corki/trist because they can't use their range/spacing right and will get outplayed by a low skill point and clicker
Sivir does seem good AF vs most assassins mid, scary ones would maybe be talon or yasuo (not an assassin but)
Her spell shield hard stops champs like fizz, lb, zed, nafiri
Also on higher Elo it's much harder to roam cuz ppl are less dumb, especially on early assassins, if u lost a wave and got no kills (sivir clears waves very fast from lv 3) u might get cooked
Yeah that's why we see so many assassins played right? Hard cope.
@@dishonored6116 pro play is a different game
So we r back to adc vs adc mid, the difference is that back in the day there were no good mids so u just played anything, now everything is just strong af 😢
back in my days Ashe is auto mid
Hasn't mid sivir been a thing since the lethality/armor pen change?
ah another video to try, another week to get suspended.
If riot would just revert the map, all these adc in mid and top lane will be gone.
Adc on botlane tristana zeri, sivir varus on mid yes
ADC in top, ADC in mid, no doubt ADC in jungle pretty soon, this is proof that ADC are not the weakest roles and the only ones who complain are bad ADC players lmao
Mid laners being nerf in bot lane due to being op there while ADC are being nerf in Mid lane due to being op there
Dear Dobby. CHO GOD has recently reached challenger as a cho gath only otp. Pls make video
@LolDobby second place Cho gath has now reached challenger in EUW!
The question is what does she have that makes her better mid ? there are champs with way better poke, others with similar waveclear, teamfights...
every adc is gonna be viable mid
every adc main: man this role sucks
So the more frustrating a pick is for the opponent the better, guess the game rewards toxicity, even without accounting for the playerbase xD
this is how I play her bot, who knew it would work mid
But wtf do ypu do vs Talon Diana Zed Irelia Ekko Fizz Kata ?
"Why (insert adc here) mid is hot rn?"
Phreak is the main culprit
Vayne is super hard counter
這套路我很久之前就在玩了。
因為我不會中路，所以只要一直推線。
然後開大逃跑。
I tried this for some games, is the build correct? I can't carry a fight with it, more of a sub dps
imagine playing zoe against this thing.... poor dobby
True 🥲
i could see pta working out tho tbh into weak early squishy matchups?
"Why Mid Sivir is Hot in KR Challenger" - No way this is higher than iron
I like how Sivir can be mid and no one cries but if you see a Veigar botlane there are 1000 threads and posts from ADC's crying 😂😂😂
There are literally ppl crying about adc being played in the mid lane. Whats your point?
I cry about both tbh. Make the classes great again
Adc meta has gone crazy. Now no one wants to pick nerfed mages and assasins lol
Just to note, if trying in low ELO. I suggest reversing the Q and W level ups unless you are laning against a long range mage (long cooldown mages are easy pickings for Auto attacks just dodge their attack or use E) or a low cd battle mage.
Another ADC strong in midlane??? No way!! Lets buff ADCs again they are weak for sure!
I think Smolder mid is being slept on, but clearly sivir is superior right now.
Smolder waveclear might be a bit too slow and too late to become strong.
All the AD champions picked in midlane have a very strong emphasis on their abilities to push or at least clear waves very quickly early, to ensure smooth build into first item.
@@patrickwailui1864 I agree, but the early game trading potential with the buffed Q is very strong into melee matchups. I’ve played it plenty in d2 mmr vs champs like aurora/akali/sylas etc and find great success.
yeah if you get an angle it looks pretty strong you can usually bully melee's and other scalers and outscale almost every1 in the process
Malphite
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