Honestly, this is the best that could ever happen to the LEC, this kind of healthy beef gathers attention, gives the reflectors to the teams performance (cause now they need to support those words) and I'm 100% they all agreed to do this, g2 has been doing this back and forth with fnatic over the years, its time for the rest of the teams to join the party
This is a downward spiral, to be honest. This is slowly turning from professional boxing to WWE fake beef shenanigang. Soon enough, investors and team owners will realize that they don't need a good team to have more viewers and sponsors; they don't even need to win anymore; they could just hire a bunch of clowns that start beef to rile up the view and that it is free money.
@@PicesQ you have no idea what you're talking about. LCK and LPL have been doing this for years. During playoffs they even upload videos of players to LCK RUclips channel where they trashtalk or roast entire teams
@@moratropolisthat is trash talk with moderation , like in a boxing conference ? They even have a tradition to send each other rice cake after World and fined heavily any coach or team member that is toxic , but these are just two guy talking shit on twitter lmao
When everyone said Nesquick and Yoyo had beef last year after MSI and MAD tried to play it down and they sent them on Euphoria to play it down, but it was so obvious they hate eachother with their opposite aproach to skrims or winning and losing.
the start of the season is one of the best since ... a long time ago . 1/ a lot of fan, a lot of viewer and so maybe the LEC will have more money, sponsor .... to be more "Professional" ( maybe bigger stage, better production, more coatch / people on team ) ... 2/ we have more team with true talent and less empty slot only here to make money and resell in a few years ... tire of astralis we have no project , tire all of the team who come with no team and just try to not loose money .
i mean i agree, but why is he pretending like he is the one behind all of KC? bro just joined the team few months ago. No hate for yamato obv, just wondering
@@Richard-gq3pm because he likes the team and hes been following every step of it last year and he said he feels home at kc and that they share same values and everything and wants to stay at kc till he retires
It would be fair, if it made any sense at all... He's comparing spanish support to a full non spanish roster and a full spanish roster. Besides there was 0 need for it, caedrel is just thanking both communities which is nice of him and he has to make it a war somehow.
It’s not, KC is a minor team, their fanbase is smaller than any LEC team, and we’ve seen already these past days that they aren’t as loud as they thought…
I'd like to encourage everyone that didn't know about this before to look into what Infinite Reality (Rogue's Parent company) was doing last year with KOI. In my opinion it's really hard for a team to properly function under those conditions, but for some reason this topic is rarely talked about outside the spanish comunity but still it's used as an argument against Ibai.
@@coderaven1107 Basically, Ibai joins Rogue, which is funded with NFT investments. They promise Ibai that if they merge, they will have almost unlimited money to sign players. The NFT crisis begins between the seasons, and in the infinite reality, Rogue runs out of money, causing several Koi influencers to stop being paid. Ibai loses 3 million of his own money to pay the workers whom Rogue should be paying. Finally, Ibai leaves Rogue, and he recovers the Koi brand.
There's a bunch of videos but they're all in spanish but the tldr version is that Ibai and KOI clashed regularly about signings and budget with part of the Infinite Reality/Rogue esports department and that made every operation considerably harder to make@@coderaven1107
Absolutely true, but it's also Ibai/Koi's fault to agree to this poor deal with Rogue. KC could have joined LEC last year too, but prefered to delay their arrival until they were sure to have full control over their LEC team, which was most certainly a good decision when you look at what happened to Koi last year. Anyway hope that everyhting has been sort out for them now, but they'll still be in a weird spot for some time, until they can prove to be a somewhat stable structure (and have fans that are not first and foremost Ibai's fans)
@@coderaven1107 In short, Rogue is broke and wasnt paying their players, so Ibai spent 3M of his own for paying everyone. Rogue's situation is so done that Ibai was able to get out of the contract with pretty much everything because of how many times Rogue broke it.
I’m from Spain I dont have high expectations for this full Spanish roster but I’ll be supporting them, the rivalry is good for the league but people get too toxic over it, can’t they be like G2 and Fnatic fans who have a healthy rivalry? Why do they have to be like Barcelona and Madrid fans in football and hate on each other, it makes it all less enjoyable. And I understand the Spain vs France thing of course but some people can’t let it rest even for a second and it’s not just some silly banter it’s pure hate that comes from it
Yup , french LEC enjoyer here , the pure hatred and borderline racism coming from french and Spanish alike is going way beyond banter here, just going to far. No need to act like you are at war to have good rivalry but I guess it's too complicated for them 😶 hope it cool down a little cause I really like both teams (KC and especially madkoi, always advocating for rookies)and want them to succeed as much as any lec teams but meh, would like the atmosphere to be less toxic
Honestly as a Spaniard I am supporting KC. Mad lions just dissapoint and hate the god complex some people built over eleoya. (But I am really here for heretics)
I (german) didn't really like the spanish community even before that, because of their over the top toxicity and spamming, but after MADKOI got rid of all players except elyoya and tried to build a full spanish roster i lost any sympathy that is left. This shouldn't be a patriotic contest and it's unfair to players who performed well regionally. On top of all that elyoya is becoming way too arrogant, which is a tragedy because he was funny and can play different styles. Now it's just spain vs rest of the west. Well at least mad performed well this week, but i'm noticing how i'm turning into a hater😂
That mentality is so braindead. Next time you might aswell type that you are dumb af and will never do anything positive in any community you claim to@@olliejson6972
Kinda agree with yamato, but imo it’s mainly because they just bought Rogue, it wasn’t their team, their players etc. Maybe it’s hard for Ibai fans to fully support a team that has nothing to do with them except the name, whereas KC brought what they’ve already built to LEC
yes but it's HIS fault no ? kc wait 1 more year to come BECAUSE he wanted to be "in charge" , when ibai didnt care and just wanted a "koi team" on LEC . he cleary don't give a F about his team, there no team , just a brand he sell to everyone . And yes he have no win , no trophy, nothink .
@@TelManothHexperax basically 0 history. he just decided he want to have the winning EU team and bought it. make some questionable discission then dip acting like it Rogue that fuck him over when he the one who want to buy his way in.
I think the main point was that KC did build something from nothing and has done a lot for esports in France and Europe while Ibai (although very succesful streamer) didn't go through the process of creating a team and push it to the LEC. He "just" bought a team and brought his fanbase with him which (don't get me wrong) is super great for the league as well
@@wawan3961 agree and he ... "abandon" 2 team already . 1 in spanish ligue when he go lec ... and now rogue ... i feel like koi is not a team, but a fanbase he move from project to project, without one of his own . imagine if KC loose and kameto join vitality ? ibai look more like a fan group ceo than a team ceo ...
@@nabkill0134 First, Ibay closed that deal BEFORE Rogue won the split. And second, everybody that knows NOW that the deal is broken the draconians conditions imposed by Infinite Reality (Rogue) knows that they wanted to fuck him over since min 1. So stfu.
It's not exactly ego, Spain and France have a long history of wanting to be on top of each other. It's actually very funny, specially when we (spanish) win hehe
Elyoya flaming Nisqy when Nisqy was the most consistent member alongside Chasy. They wouldn't even some of those games if Nisqy isn't playing popping off on his carry champs.
I like hype, I don’t mind some drama, but I don’t want our League to devolve into a football fanbase. Not trying to imply that’s what is is right now, I just really don’t want it to ever happen.
I can't talk for the spanish side of this drama, but here in france, more and more people hate on KC supporter and overall com' for their toxicity and hate. Its weird to feel ashamed when you started as a supporter. Anyway, this is good for LEC
Rivalry can be fun but damn I can't say the same for this kind of rivalry between Spain and French. It just pure toxic and childish. But judging from the European Football scene I guess this is normal for them.
Have you ever seen any nba / PL game to give an option saying its something french / spanish ? Or your entire knowledge about rivalry is based on league
@TheDarkness1993 If you watched T1 games before worlds they were clearly struggling. They weren't the best team.I didn't see his tier list but there's a difference between rating a player's current skill and rating his potential. If you're gonna rate a struggling faker S tier just because he's the goat / he has the potential to beat everyone, no one wants a "potential" tier list. No it's not delusional, and no I'm not a fanboy. I don't even know why I bother explaining, it's obvious.
@TheDarkness1993 bro I watched the games you don't need to give me the excuses. They did get better after faker came back but they still couldn't play at 100%. What are we arguing here now? A once was struggling midlaner got back in form during worlds and smacked other midlaners. Still he didn't deserve to be S or whatever in the tier list. You don't put someone high just because "he's still one of the best", he had to prove it and he did. There's no argument here. And the champ pool thingy yes it's stupid, classic T1 haters.
@TheDarkness1993I wrote a whole paragraph but nvm it's a waste of time to argue. I see your point and I know what you want to say, and I agree to some extent. Yes faker doesn't belong in last. But watch all the other mids (apart from showmaker/maybe Xiaohu) and you'll understand why faker wasn't high in the list for many people. (that doesn't mean he was bad. Struggling ≠bad player, it just means not best performance) Just kidding, don't watch. don't waste your time on RUclips comments. Have a good day.
We need a Riot sponsored event called LDFC (League Drama Fight Club) where every time there is public beef between two creators or two high profile players of different regions, Riot sets up a boxing match between them. 3 rounds in the ring. Winner is absolved of public opinion, bad tweets, everything and is automatically declared right and true in every aspect no matter what.
The start of this split was the best i remember ever (im spanish and maybe that’s why) The drama make it much better. Also, there is a traditinion of hate between France and Spain, im not a fan of hating an entire country, but it’s really good for LoL and Esports.
This is how EU always should have been. Instead of 40 countries pretending to be a single region (and still being so bad it can rarely get out of Groups). EU has always been a collection of nations that hate each other and are constantly at war. EU should be broken up into 10 regions with big countries--France, Spain, Germany--fielding their own teams while smaller countries like all those in Scandinavia making up perhaps two teams total. These individual regions all compete like Wild Cards and the top three get to go to Worlds. No more having dozens of countries combined to compete against all the other regions comprised of just one or two countries.
Oh he not going to move all right. if anything it look more and more like he will be Mad franchise player. After all he already delude himself into thinking his current squad could win world.
every team (except fnatic and maybe g2) would drop their jungler to get elyoya. elyoya has been the most important player in the last couple of transfer windows
@@gustavorrego3987not always look at Rekkles or Perkz on 2020 off season everyone couldve (exept FNC) gotten perkz but none open their banks accounts to get him plus this guy seems emotional if he doesnt get his way. i doubt TH would get rid of Jankos.
@@gustavorrego3987yeah, if Yike hadn’t been so good last year, we would have G2 elyoya by now. In fact, we would have it last year if MAD hadn’t refused to let Elyoya go
That's how the west wins in any major game competition, pure rivalries push you to go harder whilst the easterns are more grindy. Cultural differences and both approaches are good since dramas and rivalries can push you to giga grind and prove a point
Dom is the biggest clown in the league scene. He is meat riding the LPL soooooo hard and after worlds it was silent. And my guy Elyoya shouldn't talk much. Bro jailed HIMSELF in MAD so idk why he talks about winning worlds after they got ran down by T1 at 16 min. And my boy Yamato should focus on making good drafts and not argue on Twitter if he wants to stay in LEC next split.
I'm going to explain elyoya's tweet because althought the translation word for word of caedrel is good if feel people might get it wrong. The word for word traduction is: If you were as good last year as annoying we would have won worlds. Basically what elyoya is saying is that he's being really annoying on twitter with the twits about mad lions when he was replaced and throwing "beef" to them and then mocking them now. So if he was as good as he is being annoying now they would have won worlds cause he is being really annoying (on twitter). I wouldn't see his twitt like he was seriously angry with nisqy and that they hate each other, but rather annoyed with him (I might be wrong but It's just what it seems). Taking this into account they definataly hold a grudge against each other but nothing that deep I believe.
There has been 150k more viewers this year, every player that was interviewed loved it, even the tension in the quite small arena is extraordinary. What are your counter arguments?
@@TheDarkness1993 And was he wrong? They looked like shit in summer even when he came back, with all superstar mids looking in prime form, he was near the bottom before worlds started.
@@maekohHe was wrong. Both as a prediction (obviously) and regarding past performance. How did T1 look "shit" at the end of summer? They finished 2nd, and only got seriously beaten in the grand finals. And all this after Faker returned to an actually bottom tier (1-7) team.
Can someone explain why elyoya and nisqy are kinda fighting each other now? Last year they seemed the only ones who get along at mad lions. Or is it just them trolling each other?
Basically, Nisqy smiled and tried to cheer up his mates when they lost a match last year. Spaniards made him a villain by saying that he has a loser mentality because of that ( which is wrong, he just wanted to cheer up his team again ) and Elyoya has winner mentality cause he looked upset. I can't even believe there is people hating on Nisqy, cause he's like the kindest pro around probably. Never talking shit about anyone on stream, even when there's beef.
the conflict has existed for more than 3 years, sometimes it's Ibai who sometimes starts Kameto, sometimes the two even do organized trashtalks (like on valoran) but it's all for entertainment bro
I think a bit of trashtalking is good for the league. Being almost too neutral and professional is a bit stale in the long run and I think a bit of fire helps viewership and builds narritives.
@@chipiegg1466the thing is there can't be a middle ground. A lot of engagement brings some degeneracy. You have to deal with it if you want the league to grow bigger. Or else it will end up like lcs. Bcs we aint winning worlds either
Honestly I really dont like how much diva Elyoya is acting so unironically im rooting for KC to smack them than anything(as much fun as KC going to 03 is watching Spanish fan mald is even better. like at least French fan has gut to defend their team when they lose. Spanish fan just hide like turtle then come out barking when they win).
@@ChristianSiuuuu Brother they are so loud when they win like they are all over twitter and reddit talking shit when they win but gone the moment they lose. KC fan though don't care they will freaking defense their team no matter the odd. it does make them the worst freaking fan cos they are so god damn annoying talking about KC no matter the situation but at least you could respect them for that. Spanish fan tho is pretty disgusting especially their shifting blame game.
@@nabkill0134 okay i understand. Mo problem lol. Only i meant that, in toxicity both are quite similar even if you dont think the same. And the thing of beef between players is been a like that for a while i wouldnt give it too much importance. I personally think that fans were the main problem always searching problems between nisky and elyoya, but they get along well
You clearly didn’t watch any of the tweets. Elyoya has been bullied by French fans all fuelled by Nisqy’s comments… his reaction is normal, he was alone carrying a team and Nisqy acted like he was doing something bad for trying to win. He fueled the drama all year long, he asked for it, and Elyoya is tired af of him and his running mouth, cause let’s be honest Nisqy never shuts up, he seeks the drama
Kameto and KC are going to learn the hard way what Ibai learned last year with Rogue (KOI then): just putting in money into a good roster is not enough, in fact it's basically useless. You need a deeper project behind it all. Players dont win games, teams do.
That's literally what KC is doing. Kameto said again and again, they don't have money after paying for the LEC spot. IT's a year to adapt to the Highest level. 17years old delusional KC fans and a succesful CEO are 2 different stuff.
The best thing it could have happened to the league, finally there is some interest in the league and not just some shit games waiting for wolrds again
Those drama are really really good, and now that the matches started everyone wants their team to do their best, it's real hype. It would be perfect with a little bit less of pure hate tbh
Man I'm french fan... I'm tired of thoses kids throwing sh*t at each others, don't you have better things to do ? Like making sure your team comes back with victories and trophies at home ?! I understand rivalry, and it isn't necessarily a bad thing (edit : even the oposite I love the dedication of our Spaniards rivals and the willingness to fight us on the rift and nowhere else) and it aint showing a bad picture to the people if it is done in respect. But what do we have right now ?! Ibai and Yamato yelling at each others saying the other started it. Nah seriously, what's that bullsh*t ? Just cut it ! Both of you ! I'm really pissed and disapointed of Yamato because I'm a French fan, and I think he should show the right exemple, so they players would do too. Even Kameto didn't talk shit, because that's it, he is in a profesionnal league, he as to stand profesionnal for his structure he if wants to evolve in a positive way. I swear I would have fired Yamato as soon as he threw the first rock, what ever the reasons, who ever started the argument ! What a shit of an image he is giving about the french lol comunity, total disrespect for the true and respectful fans, total disrepect for the profesionnal image of Karmine Corp. I don't want to talk about others, let them talk as much as they want, and just prove them wrong on the field, but stop ruining the entire reputation of a dedicated comunity for your own personal beliefs
lmao idk why nisky is being quiet to elyoya its not the first time he disrespected if it were any other player he would've destroyed him.this guy got an ego bigger than him
I mean the gameplay spoke for itself elyoya while not being the worst of his team, performed poorly while nisqy is doing great in his, i think gameplay can speak for itself, a few more losses, and elyoya just becomes a clown that likes to talk, but can't play to back his words
@@normanpsycho9627Nah, you just hate Elyoya, he is surrounded by rookies, he is alone and he achieved a 2-1 first week. A couple more losses would be expected, everyone rated this team to be one of the worst and they are already better than TH and KC. Just say you personally hate Elyoya for no reasonable cause, but don’t try to act like it’s on him
@@nabkill0134 good players want to win, that’s not having ego, and when you 1v9 your team to the final and your toxic mid laner acts like it’s fine to get 3-0, them of course you would be mad. I’m sure you would flame the shit out of your teammates if you lose your promos and while 1v9…
@@ferst262 Elyoya did not 1v9 lmao. He was extremely mediocre last year. Nisqy is also the most non toxic player in the LEC. Almost every team mate he's had has talked about how they like playing with him. Elyoya just has massive ego, and no self-accountability.
Not really, he is trusting his teammates, and for a rookie team they are doing well. He has been flamed all over the place, they refused to help him carry last year and refused to let him go to G2 where now Yike did well and won’t get dropped. They literally forced him to stay and his teammates refused to try, he did what he had to do, and now he is guiding good rookies, and so far so good, 2-1 with a bad game where it showed that they need more experience, but still destroyed TH and KC
LEC is being so funny this year. KC and KOI hate each other. Heretics hates KOI but Koi doesn’t care about heretics anymore. Then Razork and Oscar support Spaniards of KOI so koi fans support fnatic. Then nisqy likes KC so SK likes KC. I love it 😂😂😂
me watching all this drama for nothing cuz whos winning worlds is the lck or the lpl- edit: I will say Kcorp did bring a lot of energy, from themselves AND from the other teams bc they want to see them lose so they make more noise... either way... its a win in my books! Love me some trash talking. Anywhere theres drama, theres always dom.. bc he makes a living out of it so makes sense, but yeah its all unnecessary and its giving highschoolers vibe.
KC is the best thing that appended to LEC for a while and no one can deny it. Just look at the hype this year and question yourself why it wasnt like this previously
Best moment of day 2 was when LEC mods permabanned every spanish and french speaker from the english YT stream.
LOL
thank god
Good job 👏👏👏
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Honestly, this is the best that could ever happen to the LEC, this kind of healthy beef gathers attention, gives the reflectors to the teams performance (cause now they need to support those words) and I'm 100% they all agreed to do this, g2 has been doing this back and forth with fnatic over the years, its time for the rest of the teams to join the party
indeed
Nah, ibai and kameto / spain and france beef comes from a long time. They dont need to agree on anything to start talking shit lmao.
This is a downward spiral, to be honest. This is slowly turning from professional boxing to WWE fake beef shenanigang. Soon enough, investors and team owners will realize that they don't need a good team to have more viewers and sponsors; they don't even need to win anymore; they could just hire a bunch of clowns that start beef to rile up the view and that it is free money.
@@PicesQ you have no idea what you're talking about. LCK and LPL have been doing this for years. During playoffs they even upload videos of players to LCK RUclips channel where they trashtalk or roast entire teams
@@moratropolisthat is trash talk with moderation , like in a boxing conference ? They even have a tradition to send each other rice cake after World and fined heavily any coach or team member that is toxic , but these are just two guy talking shit on twitter lmao
Eloya flash Xin ult under tier 2 on nisqy on the top side then nisqy going god mode the the team fight after that was pure greatness
i missed nisqy going god mode
@@fsantoss you also missed getting the win
@@InstinctVSM two things that i missed that day, its a fact, but only one of the two were different the rest of the days
@InstinctVSM ooooouuuh get clapped
@@InstinctVSMhe said nisqy is bad+ur team suks and doesn't win anything in the same sentence 😂
his beefs between ibai and kameto and yoya vs nisqy was insane. SPAIN vs FRENCH once again, with pentakill incluided. The best LEC day ever
When everyone said Nesquick and Yoyo had beef last year after MSI and MAD tried to play it down and they sent them on Euphoria to play it down, but it was so obvious they hate eachother with their opposite aproach to skrims or winning and losing.
the start of the season is one of the best since ... a long time ago .
1/ a lot of fan, a lot of viewer and so maybe the LEC will have more money, sponsor .... to be more "Professional" ( maybe bigger stage, better production, more coatch / people on team ) ...
2/ we have more team with true talent and less empty slot only here to make money and resell in a few years ...
tire of astralis we have no project , tire all of the team who come with no team and just try to not loose money .
What you said is true but thats not how you fucking spell coach
Yamato's take is fair, but poorly times I would say. That is just adding fuel to an unnecessary fire.
i mean i agree, but why is he pretending like he is the one behind all of KC? bro just joined the team few months ago. No hate for yamato obv, just wondering
@@Richard-gq3pm because he likes the team and hes been following every step of it last year and he said he feels home at kc and that they share same values and everything and wants to stay at kc till he retires
It would be fair, if it made any sense at all...
He's comparing spanish support to a full non spanish roster and a full spanish roster.
Besides there was 0 need for it, caedrel is just thanking both communities which is nice of him and he has to make it a war somehow.
He didn't say a single word about himself. Can you fkn learn to read?@@Richard-gq3pm
It’s not, KC is a minor team, their fanbase is smaller than any LEC team, and we’ve seen already these past days that they aren’t as loud as they thought…
I'd like to encourage everyone that didn't know about this before to look into what Infinite Reality (Rogue's Parent company) was doing last year with KOI. In my opinion it's really hard for a team to properly function under those conditions, but for some reason this topic is rarely talked about outside the spanish comunity but still it's used as an argument against Ibai.
Where can I look this up? (as a non-spanish speaker)
@@coderaven1107 Basically, Ibai joins Rogue, which is funded with NFT investments. They promise Ibai that if they merge, they will have almost unlimited money to sign players. The NFT crisis begins between the seasons, and in the infinite reality, Rogue runs out of money, causing several Koi influencers to stop being paid. Ibai loses 3 million of his own money to pay the workers whom Rogue should be paying. Finally, Ibai leaves Rogue, and he recovers the Koi brand.
There's a bunch of videos but they're all in spanish but the tldr version is that Ibai and KOI clashed regularly about signings and budget with part of the Infinite Reality/Rogue esports department and that made every operation considerably harder to make@@coderaven1107
Absolutely true, but it's also Ibai/Koi's fault to agree to this poor deal with Rogue. KC could have joined LEC last year too, but prefered to delay their arrival until they were sure to have full control over their LEC team, which was most certainly a good decision when you look at what happened to Koi last year.
Anyway hope that everyhting has been sort out for them now, but they'll still be in a weird spot for some time, until they can prove to be a somewhat stable structure (and have fans that are not first and foremost Ibai's fans)
@@coderaven1107 In short, Rogue is broke and wasnt paying their players, so Ibai spent 3M of his own for paying everyone. Rogue's situation is so done that Ibai was able to get out of the contract with pretty much everything because of how many times Rogue broke it.
I feel like it's so wrong to attack your ex-teammate like that... i don't know...
Especially since Nisqy actually performed for most of the time and was arguably the best member last year
yea nisqy was solid for a very long time, elyoya is delusional lmao
@@Wishing_God Elyoya is just the usual spanish giga emotional guy.
I feel like he was joking... I hope.
not if its funny asf
I’m from Spain I dont have high expectations for this full Spanish roster but I’ll be supporting them, the rivalry is good for the league but people get too toxic over it, can’t they be like G2 and Fnatic fans who have a healthy rivalry? Why do they have to be like Barcelona and Madrid fans in football and hate on each other, it makes it all less enjoyable. And I understand the Spain vs France thing of course but some people can’t let it rest even for a second and it’s not just some silly banter it’s pure hate that comes from it
Yup , french LEC enjoyer here , the pure hatred and borderline racism coming from french and Spanish alike is going way beyond banter here, just going to far. No need to act like you are at war to have good rivalry but I guess it's too complicated for them 😶 hope it cool down a little cause I really like both teams (KC and especially madkoi, always advocating for rookies)and want them to succeed as much as any lec teams but meh, would like the atmosphere to be less toxic
In this hyper politically correct time, a little toxicity just makes it more hype
Honestly as a Spaniard I am supporting KC. Mad lions just dissapoint and hate the god complex some people built over eleoya. (But I am really here for heretics)
I (german) didn't really like the spanish community even before that, because of their over the top toxicity and spamming, but after MADKOI got rid of all players except elyoya and tried to build a full spanish roster i lost any sympathy that is left. This shouldn't be a patriotic contest and it's unfair to players who performed well regionally. On top of all that elyoya is becoming way too arrogant, which is a tragedy because he was funny and can play different styles. Now it's just spain vs rest of the west. Well at least mad performed well this week, but i'm noticing how i'm turning into a hater😂
@@quasarlgq Say it clear, you are a TheGrefg fan instead of a Ibai fan, nothing wrong with it, but dont make up excuses
I love this. Now we need madkoi, fnatic and kcorp to be really good for 3 splits so g2 has a chance to win worlds
Put SK over there cos watching Elyoya mald when he lose to Nisqy is almost as fun as watching Upset got beaten by Adam.
Well, I guess Rogue will do for this week
That mentality is so braindead. Next time you might aswell type that you are dumb af and will never do anything positive in any community you claim to@@olliejson6972
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@@nabkill0134 SK won’t win, their best player is Nisqy, should tell you they won’t make it to playoffs
Kinda agree with yamato, but imo it’s mainly because they just bought Rogue, it wasn’t their team, their players etc.
Maybe it’s hard for Ibai fans to fully support a team that has nothing to do with them except the name, whereas KC brought what they’ve already built to LEC
yes but it's HIS fault no ?
kc wait 1 more year to come BECAUSE he wanted to be "in charge" , when ibai didnt care and just wanted a "koi team" on LEC .
he cleary don't give a F about his team, there no team , just a brand he sell to everyone .
And yes he have no win , no trophy, nothink .
@@TelManothHexperax basically 0 history. he just decided he want to have the winning EU team and bought it. make some questionable discission then dip acting like it Rogue that fuck him over when he the one who want to buy his way in.
I think the main point was that KC did build something from nothing and has done a lot for esports in France and Europe while Ibai (although very succesful streamer) didn't go through the process of creating a team and push it to the LEC. He "just" bought a team and brought his fanbase with him which (don't get me wrong) is super great for the league as well
@@wawan3961 agree and he ... "abandon" 2 team already .
1 in spanish ligue when he go lec ... and now rogue ...
i feel like koi is not a team, but a fanbase he move from project to project, without one of his own .
imagine if KC loose and kameto join vitality ?
ibai look more like a fan group ceo than a team ceo ...
@@nabkill0134 First, Ibay closed that deal BEFORE Rogue won the split. And second, everybody that knows NOW that the deal is broken the draconians conditions imposed by Infinite Reality (Rogue) knows that they wanted to fuck him over since min 1. So stfu.
give it few years and we gonna have 'football incdents' in the arenas
The french and the spanish community fight are classics since 2021
Amount of ego in esports/streamers is crazy, it like that Navy Seal meme, someone gives the slightly poke and response is nuclear.
It's not exactly ego, Spain and France have a long history of wanting to be on top of each other. It's actually very funny, specially when we (spanish) win hehe
Elyoya flaming Nisqy when Nisqy was the most consistent member alongside Chasy.
They wouldn't even some of those games if Nisqy isn't playing popping off on his carry champs.
Consistently mediocre and causing brawls within the team with his ego. Chasy was consistently good, so was Carzzy, Nisqy should have learned from them
@@ferst262get Elyoya’s dick out of your mouth mate you commented every single comments that said the the truth get over it
@@ferst262 bronze take
@@kwnstadinosdamoulis8692 sorry for being right, cry about it
You saying Nisqy being the most consistent player means you are probably the most consistent client in your town's mental sanitarium
I love these dramas. They add spice, hype and some emotions behind the matches.
nah its increasing the state of the world, fight fight fight... shit mentality!
Yep! I hope it reaches a level where diss tracks are made and possibly boxing or league matches idk.
I like hype, I don’t mind some drama, but I don’t want our League to devolve into a football fanbase.
Not trying to imply that’s what is is right now, I just really don’t want it to ever happen.
You are right on the money my friend.
why not ?
I can't talk for the spanish side of this drama, but here in france, more and more people hate on KC supporter and overall com' for their toxicity and hate. Its weird to feel ashamed when you started as a supporter. Anyway, this is good for LEC
Rivalry can be fun but damn I can't say the same for this kind of rivalry between Spain and French. It just pure toxic and childish. But judging from the European Football scene I guess this is normal for them.
Have you ever seen any nba / PL game to give an option saying its something french / spanish ? Or your entire knowledge about rivalry is based on league
It's a thing of warm countries, it makes us more spicy. It is not only in Spain or France, also in USA or Latin America
I think Yamato just got involved for no reason, said things unnecessarily, and made the situation worse for no reason. That's my take on this.
why do you think this is a bad thing? it's what makes this league different and more exciting than anything else this year
he is the KC coatch now ... he is involve .
@TheDarkness1993 If you watched T1 games before worlds they were clearly struggling. They weren't the best team.I didn't see his tier list but there's a difference between rating a player's current skill and rating his potential. If you're gonna rate a struggling faker S tier just because he's the goat / he has the potential to beat everyone, no one wants a "potential" tier list. No it's not delusional, and no I'm not a fanboy.
I don't even know why I bother explaining, it's obvious.
@TheDarkness1993 bro I watched the games you don't need to give me the excuses. They did get better after faker came back but they still couldn't play at 100%. What are we arguing here now? A once was struggling midlaner got back in form during worlds and smacked other midlaners. Still he didn't deserve to be S or whatever in the tier list. You don't put someone high just because "he's still one of the best", he had to prove it and he did. There's no argument here. And the champ pool thingy yes it's stupid, classic T1 haters.
@TheDarkness1993I wrote a whole paragraph but nvm it's a waste of time to argue. I see your point and I know what you want to say, and I agree to some extent. Yes faker doesn't belong in last. But watch all the other mids (apart from showmaker/maybe Xiaohu) and you'll understand why faker wasn't high in the list for many people. (that doesn't mean he was bad. Struggling ≠bad player, it just means not best performance)
Just kidding, don't watch. don't waste your time on RUclips comments.
Have a good day.
So LEC came to terms with the fact that we are shit so we're counting on drama to make the scene interesting ?
We need a Riot sponsored event called LDFC (League Drama Fight Club) where every time there is public beef between two creators or two high profile players of different regions, Riot sets up a boxing match between them. 3 rounds in the ring. Winner is absolved of public opinion, bad tweets, everything and is automatically declared right and true in every aspect no matter what.
So everyone was right when they suspected they dont like each other
No way elyoya the one saying that😭
The start of this split was the best i remember ever (im spanish and maybe that’s why)
The drama make it much better. Also, there is a traditinion of hate between France and Spain, im not a fan of hating an entire country, but it’s really good for LoL and Esports.
Tragic that Carlos still isn't the face of G2. You know he'd be all over this and blow it up even more
This is how EU always should have been. Instead of 40 countries pretending to be a single region (and still being so bad it can rarely get out of Groups). EU has always been a collection of nations that hate each other and are constantly at war. EU should be broken up into 10 regions with big countries--France, Spain, Germany--fielding their own teams while smaller countries like all those in Scandinavia making up perhaps two teams total. These individual regions all compete like Wild Cards and the top three get to go to Worlds. No more having dozens of countries combined to compete against all the other regions comprised of just one or two countries.
Ngl seeing Elyoya flaming Nisqy like this just looks like bad pr if he wants to play in anything else than a full spanish org
Oh he not going to move all right. if anything it look more and more like he will be Mad franchise player. After all he already delude himself into thinking his current squad could win world.
every team (except fnatic and maybe g2) would drop their jungler to get elyoya. elyoya has been the most important player in the last couple of transfer windows
@@gustavorrego3987not always look at Rekkles or Perkz on 2020 off season everyone couldve (exept FNC) gotten perkz but none open their banks accounts to get him plus this guy seems emotional if he doesnt get his way. i doubt TH would get rid of Jankos.
Bad PR?? 💀 so defending himself looks bad?? No one in the LEC seems mad about it, in fact they encourage it…
@@gustavorrego3987yeah, if Yike hadn’t been so good last year, we would have G2 elyoya by now. In fact, we would have it last year if MAD hadn’t refused to let Elyoya go
Can't wait for the drama to embolden these teams after every win only for them to lose in 15 minutes to the LPL and LCK
They really made Yamato load the big guns.
2:43 CAEDREL HAS MUTED EXPRESS LESSGOOO
HAHA
LEC investing in drama instead of just practice and grind. That's why LCK and LPL is just tossing you around 😂😂😂
That's how the west wins in any major game competition, pure rivalries push you to go harder whilst the easterns are more grindy. Cultural differences and both approaches are good since dramas and rivalries can push you to giga grind and prove a point
this is why no one likes lck and lpl fans, elitist cucks
pretty much every single person in this video im like who who and who? did any of these people perform at worlds? who cares?
So nice to see tbh. So much spice again. It feels like the last few years there wasn't much of it.
why do I see so many people with this PFP, is there some context behind it?
Finally a hyped season
Dom is the biggest clown in the league scene. He is meat riding the LPL soooooo hard and after worlds it was silent. And my guy Elyoya shouldn't talk much. Bro jailed HIMSELF in MAD so idk why he talks about winning worlds after they got ran down by T1 at 16 min. And my boy Yamato should focus on making good drafts and not argue on Twitter if he wants to stay in LEC next split.
Love the LEC drama, but watching IWD being moped never gets old.
Haha true. Lulu putting on final coat of nail polish.
I'm going to explain elyoya's tweet because althought the translation word for word of caedrel is good if feel people might get it wrong. The word for word traduction is: If you were as good last year as annoying we would have won worlds. Basically what elyoya is saying is that he's being really annoying on twitter with the twits about mad lions when he was replaced and throwing "beef" to them and then mocking them now. So if he was as good as he is being annoying now they would have won worlds cause he is being really annoying (on twitter). I wouldn't see his twitt like he was seriously angry with nisqy and that they hate each other, but rather annoyed with him (I might be wrong but It's just what it seems). Taking this into account they definataly hold a grudge against each other but nothing that deep I believe.
lmao at fans of western leagues thinking "drama" makes their league better.
It does
Bro some of these teams gonna mald to the next level and really win it but only in LEC lol the rivalry is contained
There has been 150k more viewers this year, every player that was interviewed loved it, even the tension in the quite small arena is extraordinary. What are your counter arguments?
@@jakdvnfvniov2520until two of your best players hate each other and refuse to play on the same team.
@@MrWizardjr9 they r on contract. Unless they r literal manchilds they wont do that
tbh Koi was invisible last year
Same as KC. Oh, wait... They were invisible because they weren't even there...
Although it was meant as an insult, why is Elyoya acting like he didn't straight up grief at worlds 😂 And Yamato is still based as fuck
Why is he acting like he didnt just get BLASTED by the guy hes flaming just hours before ??
@@TheDarkness1993 And was he wrong? They looked like shit in summer even when he came back, with all superstar mids looking in prime form, he was near the bottom before worlds started.
@@maekohthey just won worlds
@@kevindominguezaguilera5183 You should read before commenting.
"That guy 𝐛𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 worlds"
@@maekohHe was wrong. Both as a prediction (obviously) and regarding past performance.
How did T1 look "shit" at the end of summer? They finished 2nd, and only got seriously beaten in the grand finals. And all this after Faker returned to an actually bottom tier (1-7) team.
Where is Skains Costream? Modcheck
IbaiTv in twitch
LEC NUMBER 1 CONTENT REGION LETS FCKING GOO 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Can someone explain why elyoya and nisqy are kinda fighting each other now? Last year they seemed the only ones who get along at mad lions. Or is it just them trolling each other?
I remember Nisqy complaining about his team mates' low investment when he left Mad...
Basically, Nisqy smiled and tried to cheer up his mates when they lost a match last year.
Spaniards made him a villain by saying that he has a loser mentality because of that ( which is wrong, he just wanted to cheer up his team again ) and Elyoya has winner mentality cause he looked upset.
I can't even believe there is people hating on Nisqy, cause he's like the kindest pro around probably. Never talking shit about anyone on stream, even when there's beef.
of course its the french that start shit talking
the conflict has existed for more than 3 years, sometimes it's Ibai who sometimes starts Kameto, sometimes the two even do organized trashtalks (like on valoran) but it's all for entertainment bro
We used to pray for this. Esport finally reaching the level of sport and wrestling when the fanbase doing this.
I think a bit of trashtalking is good for the league. Being almost too neutral and professional is a bit stale in the long run and I think a bit of fire helps viewership and builds narritives.
yeah trashtalk between enemys is approved. but between ex teamate ? that's just being rude
@@tarakbelhiba3168 agree i think the banter between yamato/ kameto vs ibai is good sport ...
but the hate between nisky / elyoya ... don't like it
meh, we could do without the toxicity of i.e. football fans imo (but a bit of banter is ok ofcourse, usually the fans who take it to far anyway)
@@chipiegg1466the thing is there can't be a middle ground. A lot of engagement brings some degeneracy. You have to deal with it if you want the league to grow bigger. Or else it will end up like lcs. Bcs we aint winning worlds either
I mean there is a difference between healthy banter between 2 strong communities and starting hate wars for no reason
Honestly I really dont like how much diva Elyoya is acting so unironically im rooting for KC to smack them than anything(as much fun as KC going to 03 is watching Spanish fan mald is even better. like at least French fan has gut to defend their team when they lose. Spanish fan just hide like turtle then come out barking when they win).
At least the spanish fans watch all the games not as some KC ones which only came to see their team games as they dislike league
@@ChristianSiuuuu Brother they are so loud when they win like they are all over twitter and reddit talking shit when they win but gone the moment they lose. KC fan though don't care they will freaking defense their team no matter the odd. it does make them the worst freaking fan cos they are so god damn annoying talking about KC no matter the situation but at least you could respect them for that. Spanish fan tho is pretty disgusting especially their shifting blame game.
@@nabkill0134 okay i understand. Mo problem lol. Only i meant that, in toxicity both are quite similar even if you dont think the same. And the thing of beef between players is been a like that for a while i wouldnt give it too much importance. I personally think that fans were the main problem always searching problems between nisky and elyoya, but they get along well
You clearly didn’t watch any of the tweets. Elyoya has been bullied by French fans all fuelled by Nisqy’s comments… his reaction is normal, he was alone carrying a team and Nisqy acted like he was doing something bad for trying to win. He fueled the drama all year long, he asked for it, and Elyoya is tired af of him and his running mouth, cause let’s be honest Nisqy never shuts up, he seeks the drama
0-3 is saying Elyoya.
bro this bo1 and this year of LEC in general is gonna go crazy
Kameto and KC are going to learn the hard way what Ibai learned last year with Rogue (KOI then): just putting in money into a good roster is not enough, in fact it's basically useless. You need a deeper project behind it all. Players dont win games, teams do.
But he didn’t put a lot of money in. He said himself that this project isn’t a long term one, the project they want to build is with Caliste
That's literally what KC is doing.
Kameto said again and again, they don't have money after paying for the LEC spot. IT's a year to adapt to the Highest level.
17years old delusional KC fans and a succesful CEO are 2 different stuff.
? they brought 3 players from LFL and temporarily replaced Caliste because they had to
The best thing it could have happened to the league, finally there is some interest in the league and not just some shit games waiting for wolrds again
Those drama are really really good, and now that the matches started everyone wants their team to do their best, it's real hype.
It would be perfect with a little bit less of pure hate tbh
Oh my god this is so good. How could I have missd that?
I dont know why but i kinda hope this gets so far out of controll that riot is forced to step in 😂
Love all this to he honest, spice and fire makes it so much more fun
If he started a transnational conflict, surely the US gov. and the UK now want to hire Caedrel.
all fun and games until LFN drops some closed door bomb
KOI finally showing us what their logo represents by throwing flaming shit at people
Man I'm french fan... I'm tired of thoses kids throwing sh*t at each others, don't you have better things to do ? Like making sure your team comes back with victories and trophies at home ?!
I understand rivalry, and it isn't necessarily a bad thing (edit : even the oposite I love the dedication of our Spaniards rivals and the willingness to fight us on the rift and nowhere else) and it aint showing a bad picture to the people if it is done in respect.
But what do we have right now ?! Ibai and Yamato yelling at each others saying the other started it. Nah seriously, what's that bullsh*t ? Just cut it ! Both of you ! I'm really pissed and disapointed of Yamato because I'm a French fan, and I think he should show the right exemple, so they players would do too. Even Kameto didn't talk shit, because that's it, he is in a profesionnal league, he as to stand profesionnal for his structure he if wants to evolve in a positive way. I swear I would have fired Yamato as soon as he threw the first rock, what ever the reasons, who ever started the argument !
What a shit of an image he is giving about the french lol comunity, total disrespect for the true and respectful fans, total disrepect for the profesionnal image of Karmine Corp. I don't want to talk about others, let them talk as much as they want, and just prove them wrong on the field, but stop ruining the entire reputation of a dedicated comunity for your own personal beliefs
Both fanbases are just irritating...
Does anyone take Yamato seriously?
Only KC fans 😂
This sht is way too spicy! Best LEC start of the year.
I just hope that G2 and Fnatic keep destroying those dogsht teams with their dogsht fanbase
Yeah, in the meantime, work and try to find a new song.
10 years of LEC and : "LeTs gO dJiToO" xD
Yeaaa new year drama
Short story: Flyweight soyboys internet tough guyin each other but wont do shit face to face
SCRIM AND CONTENT WORLD CHAMPS!! LEC 🏆🥇🏆
i might have to give a damn about winter/spring league just to watch all this unfold. BRING BACK SHITTALKING IN LOL ESPORTS
if no one is viewing, you have to create drama to make it interesting. thats my take
All this hype around LEC makes me realize how dead LCS feels lol
Look at Homeless Dom trying to get attention from EU now after his son LPL got destroyed by daddy T1 . This guy is just getting more and more pathetic
Dom really threw away his entire Spanish heritage to end up losing to it in the end XD
But why did all of this started?
lmao idk why nisky is being quiet to elyoya its not the first time he disrespected if it were any other player he would've destroyed him.this guy got an ego bigger than him
I mean the gameplay spoke for itself elyoya while not being the worst of his team, performed poorly while nisqy is doing great in his, i think gameplay can speak for itself, a few more losses, and elyoya just becomes a clown that likes to talk, but can't play to back his words
Elyoya got Ego that somehow make Upset look humble. He put all the fault of the last year roster into his team.
@@normanpsycho9627Nah, you just hate Elyoya, he is surrounded by rookies, he is alone and he achieved a 2-1 first week. A couple more losses would be expected, everyone rated this team to be one of the worst and they are already better than TH and KC. Just say you personally hate Elyoya for no reasonable cause, but don’t try to act like it’s on him
@@nabkill0134 good players want to win, that’s not having ego, and when you 1v9 your team to the final and your toxic mid laner acts like it’s fine to get 3-0, them of course you would be mad. I’m sure you would flame the shit out of your teammates if you lose your promos and while 1v9…
@@ferst262 Elyoya did not 1v9 lmao. He was extremely mediocre last year. Nisqy is also the most non toxic player in the LEC. Almost every team mate he's had has talked about how they like playing with him. Elyoya just has massive ego, and no self-accountability.
Minor region antics
this is what we love to see in league
Koi and Kcorp equally sucks
KC are just salty frenchies..
LCK could never...
LEC could never...
LCK "trashtalk" segments are just them praising each other lol
@@bananalana1764 But they just did...
Yea because LCK isn’t petty and way better than whatever this is lmfao
@@esportsprodigybuhanil933 i never said what specifically what LEC could never do , and turns out there are a lot , go figure bud
Eloya signed his death warrent if this team fails. He may be in elo hell, but he is the warden.
Not really, he is trusting his teammates, and for a rookie team they are doing well. He has been flamed all over the place, they refused to help him carry last year and refused to let him go to G2 where now Yike did well and won’t get dropped. They literally forced him to stay and his teammates refused to try, he did what he had to do, and now he is guiding good rookies, and so far so good, 2-1 with a bad game where it showed that they need more experience, but still destroyed TH and KC
Finally some good ass drama 😂
I’ve never heard of Karmine Corp but I’ve seen KOi play in lec what
Its even better now, when koi defeated KC
What the fuck is going on
LEC is being so funny this year. KC and KOI hate each other. Heretics hates KOI but Koi doesn’t care about heretics anymore. Then Razork and Oscar support Spaniards of KOI so koi fans support fnatic. Then nisqy likes KC so SK likes KC. I love it 😂😂😂
caedrel didnt start nothing lol, the beef between koi and kc has been for a long time
LEC has been so insanely hype with all the views. Its insane
At the end of the day EU is just another WILDCARD region
where are u from then?
Only LCK isn't wildcard because it's still in faker pocket
@@theteamxxx3142LPL is clear of that fraud region
me watching all this drama for nothing cuz whos winning worlds is the lck or the lpl-
edit: I will say Kcorp did bring a lot of energy, from themselves AND from the other teams bc they want to see them lose so they make more noise... either way... its a win in my books! Love me some trash talking.
Anywhere theres drama, theres always dom.. bc he makes a living out of it so makes sense, but yeah its all unnecessary and its giving highschoolers vibe.
Si many year of boring g2 vs fnc without any rivality at all.
LEC IS REVIVED
I LOVE THIS
All this shit just for both to not make playoffs AINTNOWAY
Just what LEC needs
If they focused on gameplay and not on trash talk, maybe we would not lose to fking NA ... xD
KC is the best thing that appended to LEC for a while and no one can deny it. Just look at the hype this year and question yourself why it wasnt like this previously
Damn EU looking like a s*** storm right now
LEC is fire this year
tbh they should allow trash talk, and im 100% sure people will actually try hard xd just so they can continue talking mroe sht xdd
Nr. 5 trending "Haufen scheiße"?!? 😂😂
So glad i left twitter years ago.