Disney Plus IMAX Enhanced vs 4K Blu-ray Comparison - Here's What You're Missing
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- Опубликовано: 20 дек 2021
- We compare Disney+ IMAX Enhanced with expanded aspect ratio vs 4K Blu-ray standard widescreen. Get Surfshark VPN at surfshark.deals/HDTVTest - Enter promo code HDTVTest to get 83% and 4 extra months for FREE!
Movies compared on two calibrated LG C1 OLED TVs were Avengers: Infinity War, Avengers: Endgame, Captain America: Civil War and Black Panther.
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I like the IMAX enhanced aspect ratio. Hopefully these options will be allowed on 4k bluray soon. I want the IMAX enhanced audio also on Disney+
They will have to reissue the 4K Ultra HD Blu ray disc with Dolby Vision
please go back to the 70ies and watch your movies in 4:3 xD
I highly doubt that will ever happen.
@@EpicGamerWinXD69 I agree as they can’t do DTS X , which is why disc is the future :)
@@stsxt05 Are 4k discs better than 4k Streaming? Almost always. Are 4k discs the future? Not even close.
Sounds like disney is purposely nerfing their physical and digital releases so they can encourage more disney + subscription.
It was obvious when they released cropped versions and not the imax ones.
not really nerfing what's already out there, but they can give more over a streaming platform.
@@fist003 The point he’s making is that they could have included the IMAX versions on UHD Blu ray, but chose not to. This sends the message that paying for Disney + is better, even though physical media is more capable. The difference is the consumer owns nothing with streaming, and the company gets continuous revenue.
Yep, even though plenty of people (like myself) would happily buy both
It's been obvious for a long time. 66GB discs (when everyone else uses 100GB), just HDR10, no Dolby Vision (even though the masters are readily available), not to mention the half-assing of their Dolby Atmos soundtracks (plus excluding them from the regular Blu-rays).
After discovering how Disney upscales their Marvel movies I pretty much knew it was a waste to even buy the 4K blurays. There's only a handful that actually look good. Which are the earlier 1s that were shot on classic film like Iron Man.
Do you know which upscaling algorithm did they use?
Almost every 4k movie is upscaled... They shoot in 4k-12k cameras for vfx then usually export those at 2k for the main editing. Afterwards upscaled into 4k for the final export. It's more common than everyone thinks
Iron Man was shot on film?
Iron Man (2008) was finished on a 2K DI, though...
They already fix it all.
I personally love how Chris Nolan does his IMAX shots. Switches to widescreen for closeups/shots done in regular widescreen, but then expands the frame for IMAX shots.
When watching his movies, when it switches to imax, you know shit is about to go down
eternals was shot like that if i remember correctly
Marvels movies do the same thing when watched at the cinema, only the disney plus version has *Imax frame* during the whole movie.
Zack Snyder does it as well
@@Jo-el768 Zack Snyder's Justice League was entirely in the IMAX ratio, although it never used the IMAX camera.
Also Christopher Nolan is the executive producer of the Snyderverse so probably he recommended it, because Snyder didn't do it in his previous movies like 300 or Watchmen.
I'm a physical media enthusiast, largely because physical is usually the way to get the *best* audio and video quality. Having arguably better image quality on a streaming service coupled with inferior audio quality infuriates me.
Streaming service picture is not superior it's worse then 4K Ultra HD Blu ray disc and sound is too.
@@RobertK1993 The streaming quality in this case is better, because you get DV with imax enhanced, while the blu-ray only has inferior hdr 10. If the blu-ray also would have DV it would be a bit better than streaming of course.
@@geiers6013 Bit rate is still much lower and audio is compressed so physical is still much better especially if you have a true Dolby Atmos setup as I do (7.2.4)
@@hard8gamingandagslive559 Thats true, but I was only talking about the picture. Hdtv made a test and a DV stream is superior to hdr 10, even if you have a lower bitrate, because the contrast and colors in DV are much better
Larger viewport, but worse quality.
Some Blu Rays like the Dark Knight have some IMAX scenes in them! It's a bit annoying with the switching aspect ratio, but those IMAX shots in the movie are amazing.
yep, Nolan does that a lot in his movies
Yes I’ve noticed this and it’s full screen no black lines
@@elmingggg I would guess that, like a few other filmmakers around 2010 (Michael Bay's Transformers movies come to mind), Nolan was constrained by film IMAX cameras - they were loud enough to drown out dialogue (Nolan dislikes ADR), huge (like the size of a car, so unfit for many scenes like those found in Inception), and could only film a few minutes at a time. These problems were resolved when digital IMAX cameras began to come out - Marvel Studios, for example, uses a modified ARRI Alexa 65 (the Alexa IMAX) to shoot their movies, Civil War being the first one to have some scenes shot using that camera. Nolan is also a big proponent of film, so while some movies have been moving to digital IMAX cameras, he has stuck on film IMAX cameras. His next movie, Oppenheimer, will still be shot on film.
@@EscapeVelocity11186 oohhh that's interesting, i didn't really know the explanation behind switching aspect ratio/camera, i just assume that it was an artistic choice of the director
Doesn’t Aquaman have the same thing? I swear it does if I’m wrong.
Thank you for pointing out the benefits of BOTH aspect ratios. I was concerned this was going to be a one-sided comparison
There are many movies with full screen aspect ratio tho.
Boh*
Physical media is better than streaming.
@@arhaankhan319 But most full screen movies were shot only with one aspect ration in mind, which is not the case here.
@@eliascrooker7773 maybe on paper physical copies are better, but it is literally negligible in any real world use case. You aren’t going to notice that difference sitting 10-15 feet from your TV, and you certainly aren’t going to notice a difference in audio coming from your consumer sound system in a room that Is in no way shape or form professionally designed or setup for the big ass sound system you’ll throw at it. It’s like when Audiophiles try to talk about audio, when in reality 95% of what they believe is placebo and misinformation.
The reason for the extra brightness is because of IMAX's remastering process, they account for the dimming due to projections.
Plus there’s also reduction of film grain during the remastering, you can see that in Iron Man 1 which was shot on 35mm
The DNR isn’t IMAX’s doing. Disney did that themselves when they released Iron Man, Iron Man 2, and Thor on 4K. All three movies are shot on film, and all three were scrubbed of grain in an attempt to make them look more similar to the rest of the digitally shot MCU.
Urgh, how horrible! 🤮
but iron man was not shot in IMAX camera
civil war was the 1st marvel movie to be shot in IMAX
@@tarunverma802 no. Guardians of The Galaxy was the first film with switching aspect ratios.
Iron Man was remastered into IMAX on it’s 10 year anniversary
@@KDCloudy chek Wikipedia it has list of all movies shot in IMAX camera
I'm so frustrated that Dolby True HD & DTS HD MA are not yet being carried over to streaming services. We really are going to lose physical media even with its benefits and have to settle for lower quality audio. The stream clearly delivers more visual impact and is more pleasing to watch for the majority, however this has to be partnered with full-fat audio for it to really create that cinematic experience! I've spoiled myself with disc quality audio now and the difference is night and day to me.
Except for Disney, the disc is still better in all cases.
DTS not in the streaming service game is no one’s fault but there own.
False. Properly done physical formats deliver by far the best viewing and audio experience. The only clear advantage to streaming is convenience.
Honestly very few have a home and devices that show the difference between those high / very high quality modes.
@@krane15 “Properly done”
So, almost never then?
I'm still waiting for Tron Legacy on 4k.
And The Abyss, and True Lies, and Aliens, and The Terminator, and etc etc
Isn't it shot on like digital 2k camera?
@@EricMalette Amen brother. Tron Legacy is still one of the best 3D theater experiences that I have ever enjoyed. I'm also waiting for the sequel that Tomorrowland's shittty box office performance killed.
@@maybebutwhatever Today with enough effort you can upscale and put hdr on everything.
@@EricMalette Need True Lies on HD bluray first. 😆
Honestly annoys me in the modern age that you would even release 4K blurays which are very expensive and are supposed be the peak of home video quality with anything less that an imax enhanced presentation and dolby vision when such is available to you. They have very successfully killed the vast majority of people's desire to collect physical media on music, film, and now they are working on games. As nice and convenient as this is, if a streaming channel goes down the only way to preserve it, is illegal. Not to mention while these enhancements do arguably outweigh a higher bitrate you are still taking a downgrade for an upgrade.
The issue that I have is that Disney could have put the Imax versions on 4K Disc like Christopher Nolan does, and even James Gunn had The Suicide Squad on disc at the Imax 1.90 ratio and encouraged fans to get the disc. But the main issue I had with the Imax Enhanced versions of the MCU films, is that in the 2.35 aspect ratio, they all seem properly framed, where as the Imax Enhanced at 1.98, I noticed a lot of head room, and even a boom mic in Endgame when Happy talks to Tony's daughter, which is not there in the 2.35. That's why I am happy Top Gun Maverick has the Imax ratio on disc.
To your point about the bloom in the letterbox bars: another benefit of IMAX enhanced is that there are no true black letterbox bars with which give reference to the blacks in the picture, tricking your eyes into perceiving deeper black levels instead of slightly grey.
Good point.
In dark rooms you could probably still see it.
Sure. But that's a tail wags the dog argument.
It seems to me like it's just another marketing trick in order to sell the product again. It works and the product is indeed better but it's also manufactured.
I dunno on my OLED the letterbox bars look like the TV's bevel.
To me nothing takes me out of an immersive experience more than visual artifacts resulting from the lower bitrates on streaming platforms. Disney+ IMAX enhanced is definitely not immune to it. Any time there is dense fog, heavy rain, or extremely fast movement of small and complex scenery (like the garden fight scene in Shang Chi) I can always see when there is chunky macro blocking, severe posterization and micro noise in the picture. Until the internet and streaming services can provide me with a bit rate that completely eliminates to the degree that UHD physical media does I’m not going to a stream first existence.
I cannot abide macro blocking and posterization. It's awful and takes me out of the experience.
@Fint Flint Something funny?
@@maulcs people willing to not have the convenience of streaming because it's only 99.9 percent as good (how many frames there are in a movie and how few frames you're talking about, it's 99.9 at least)
You're not streaming your content you're either spending a large amount of money on movies and you're not watching much
@@paulcox2447 Have you actually compared a true 4k Blu-ray to these streaming services? Not everyone is as oblivious to these things as you are.
Videophiles make up an insignificant percentage of their streaming audience. Most of the people streaming are doing so on their phones/tablets/laptops. Or their cheaper LCD TV's where they don't care about these things nor notice them. You may notice it, but Disney has 118+ million paying subscribers. They don't feel threatened by the cries of a few thousand videophiles. It won't make a difference. If all videophiles cancelled their subscriptions, all at the same time, it'll make absolutely no difference to their revenue. Also, the fact you are buying Disney 4k discs means you're still giving them your money.
I have all of these titles on 3D blu-ray and all except for Avenger: Infinity War, Endgame, and Shang-Chi contain the IMAX aspect ratios. To me, the 3D greatly benefits from the IMAX ratios and makes it way more immersive than an open 2D image. I truly believe that the IMAX aspect ratios should have been made available on all platforms from the very moment that they started filming with them. 3D blu-ray, standard blu-ray, and the 4K versions all should have featured the IMAX aspect ratio.
I have a big 3D collection, but if my 3D TV goes belly up, good luck finding another one. I would have gladly bought an LG Nano90 like I have, but with the 3D capability, if they offered it. It's asinine that the studios decide what we want.
@@jimroscovius You can always do what I did and ditch TV's for 3D all together by purchasing an Ultra Short Throw Projector. I have the Optoma P2 CinemaX with a 100 inch screen and the Marvel 3D blurays with the IMAX ratio looks AMAZING!! A few 2023 models will feature better blacks but I can't complain once I tweak the picture settings. The immersion is astonishing!!! I highly recommend it.
@Scar1920 I currently have a 75" LG NANO90 that I love, but it's not 3D. If a company would make one, I'd buy it. Maybe even software could do it.
Very good video. Although I am a physical media collector, I don’t have any 4K Marvel movies, and only a few on blu ray, so I don’t think I’m too biased towards praising the physical releases, as I’m not so obsessed where I must praise what I’ve already bought over another.
However, I do personally prefer a standard aspect ratio in most cases. Like you said, IMAX can sometimes compromise the shot composition. I think a standard aspect ratio is more likely to convey the feeling of a shot over an IMAX shot. Although I also understand that it can be a lot more immersive.
So I personally view IMAX as a different way to watch a movie and not necessarily the superior way, kind of like black and white editions of movies.
Where to download IMAX movie?
Well in the case of Infinity War and Endgame. IMAX is objectively far superior. It is so painfully obvious that it was meant to be seen in IMAX when you watch the blu-ray. It's so cramped and some shots just look downright silly without the expanded ratio since the two films were shot entirely with IMAX cameras.
I'm really frustrated that the 4K Blu-Ray for Dune isn't going to have the expanded aspect ratio. 40% of the movie was filmed in IMAX!! And we know that they *can* do this, because Nolan did it with TDK in 2008!
Just get a projector and a 2.35 screen. That will give you a fantastic Dune experience.
@@ghostviggen yes but you still won’t get the full picture. Dune was amazing on our 8 story screen here in my city 🔥🔥🔥
Yeah for Marvel no-one is going to really care about the aspect ratio, but for Dune I would expect better treatment.
@@paulsantibanez525 no but you get the epic 2.35 experience. And you don’t get that on a 16:9 TV.
Wait really?
More and more i feel like nowadays there only one chance to see movies property. Thank god i went to imax.
This is aggravating. Yes, Disney, please put your IMAX enhanced versions of these movies on your streaming service, and then charge $30 each for the same movies on 4K Blu-ray with cropped frames, fewer special features, and no Dolby Vision.
I live in a rural area. My internet is awful. The internet company we have is literally only giving us internet access because we were grandfathered in, and they can't, or won't, make it any better. Hitting 720p on a RUclips stream is rare, and anything higher is practically impossible. For most films, 4K Blu-ray is the only way I can watch them in 4K. Locking these films' IMAX and DV presentations to streaming even when we have the technology to do it on disc infuriates me.
I think sadly most big companys only care about streaming nowadays. Probably not enough people are buying blu-rays regularly.
Also with streaming they make much more money with subscription.
Disney barely puts much effort into their 4K disc releases any more. It's sad when the streaming versions have better quality and better mixed audio than the 4K discs. Add the IMAX ARs to that now and its scary.
My family lives in a rural area and are just now getting 40 mbps down and 10 up. I have google fiber so 1 gbps both ways. And I will always prefer physical media.
@@railerswim Hopefully satelite internet will solve the problems of people in rural areas. Here in germany you can be happy if you get fiber optic cable at all even in citys. In rural areas often something like 5mbps down still is normal. Sadly I think we cannot stop the death of blu-rays anymore.
Audio is also vastly better on disney plus
@@geiers6013 People are buying BD's, but companies want total CONTROL via streaming. Profits also get raised by not shipping discs but charging by the month! For we video and audiophiles, we cannot have streaming as our MAIN viewing medium.
Filling the TV screen is now called the IMAX version😂, when in reality the movie was already filmed that way for a lot of movies and then cropped to make you think you were getting more of the image on the left and right of the screen😂 Anything to juice you out of your money
Yeah its crazy. Imax enhanced is basically giving you the way they shot the film without the bars.
Thank you for the info! Without the side-by-side comparisons, I wouldn't have noticed how much I was missing!
I will still buy discs. The advantage of discs is that you can play them as often as you want, and their contents won't change. With streaming, the inventory of available movies changes constantly, so you favorite movie may become unavailable. Movies or episodes from TV-series may also be altered or removed from streaming due to censorship.
I will pirate the imax enhanced version. Problem solved
I don’t know about your taste, but I rarely watch a movie twice.
@@kev3226 How so? Why would you never rewatch a movie? If you don't rewatch it, it's like never having seen it
@@adriannn3720 If you had watched it once already, the ending is spoiled. Kind of pointless to rewatch it, unless you didn’t understand the movie.
Kev many people rewatch movies to appreciate the movie as a whole dude, not just for the ending.
Really interesting! Thanks Vincent
Thanks Tom! See you at CES if we're still allowed to fly out? :-)
Thank you sir for taking the time to make this video. You gave me more information that i was looking for in a very crisp and understanding way. Thank you!
Dude! Keep up the good work! Everything I need to research something regarding TVs, I learn so much off you. I've been watching since 2020! Great job!
The point about close up scenes is 👍👍
What pisses me off, is the fact that Disney didnt include IMAX Enchanced on 4k Bluray discs, when they had the ability to do it.
Probably for the same reason DV is only available on D+.
@@TheCrucialQ Its super annoying when we here in Europe are paying 30-50$ for a 4K disc. (Atleast Nordic versions)
@@GstarCurtis Unfortunately for the customer and fortunately for Disney, the cost to modify mastered content is cheaper than paying to have new disk pressed.
Then there is the timing of the agreement with IMAX to allow IMAX Enhanced streams that also carry DV along with them.
@@TheCrucialQ Fair enough, but i mean like from this point onwards, if it has IMAX enhanced, it should also be on the disc. We pay a decent premium for a disc.
Very helpful - especially the comparisons between the IMAX enhanced and normal widescreen versions of Black Panther. Thanks for the info!
So, the 1.85:1 Aspect ratio is now called IMAX enhanced ? Ok 🙄
Thanks for the comparison, I’ll take the intended aspect ratio any day. Happy they made it an option!
I've always been a 16:9 advocate and never understood why they couldn't make it optional on the Bluray. Surely there is some way to encode adaptive framing so the player itself can crop the image correctly and if not, why the heck didn't someone think of that when designing the spec? Oh right, its so they had the option to sell you multiple copies in different ratios. ;)
@@alexatkin There is a Malcolm in the Middle BluRay from Turbine (german release). You can choose between 16:9 and 4:3 and the bars are added via software so it should be possible.
Disney plus audio in general is not very good. I have a home theater and I had to turn the sound up more to compensate on their streaming service than any other streaming service I tried. The dynamic range and audio fidelity suffers greatly because of whatever way they have decided to code their sound. They do not have the best interest of physical movie buyers in mind either and this clearly shows it for those who have already bout physical copies.
*bought
The usual BS.
Exactly. For home theater setup, streaming audio quality is a deal-breaker for me. And if you have 2:35:1 setup, watching anything in 16:9 is like watching a TV show.
Disney is capable of decent audio. I recently watched the first episode of welcome to earth and there are some epic low rumbles through the episode
. The sound field and sound quality of this recent show is better than the sound I experienced watching IMAX enhanced infinity war. I hope they continue to improve and show more consistency across all of their content. I know that sound tracks are designed different but they should make sure they are encoded with with care because I have heard even some older movies sound outstanding while being streamed on other services.
It's not anywhere near as good as a physical disc, but it's not all that terrible either. Disney+ generally seems better to me than Netflix does for sound, at least.
I've just been watching the Disney plus imax enhanced films on my Sony Bravia AF9 4K 55 Oled. Its a brilliant experience and as far as I'm concerned the imax versions are the best I've seen so far, it really does bring the cinema experience home
Great video. Just last night I discovered and watched my first Imax enhanced film. Your analysis is very well presented and I believe accurate. I look forward to future videos from you as I have subscribed.
All I'm bothered about is directors intent. It's THEIR art, THEIR movie, THEIR choice of aspect ratio. Nolans IMAX films not withstanding, the aspect ratio changes here could be seen as a little gimmicky. But as long as it's what the director wants, hey... Please Disney, don't start doing this to catalogue 'scope' titles by cropping in and such! (Sleeping Beauty Imax Enhanced anyone?)
Also, as someone has already pointed out, with streaming services, the 'host' has the option to change, alter or censor content in the future. Disney in particular do this quite often.
@iamspyvspy gawd...really? I mean, I know it's done here in the UK on terrestrial TV 'sometimes' (I'm looking at you Ch5). Part of me thinks this push is to satisfy the more everyday punter crowd. The typical 'I want MOAR screen filled' crowd, that maybe doesn't understand (or like) that films come in different aspect ratios. And that goes likewise for old 4:3 content too, of which Disney again tried to crop into, with disastrous results. (Doh!)
I'm all for creators intent, but honestly I think films should just be full screen. There's no benefit to watching black bars. None.
Directors intent is a cop out because directors are all stuck using the industry standards anyway. it's not like these guys really get to do anything they want.
The director doesn't get to decide if the film makes it to imax or not.
Trigger warning
@@DuSeun agreed with this for a long time
It always bothered me since a few years ago when I noticed that Disney 4kBDs were not Dolby Vision like the Digital Copy that came with the discs. Great Video!!
Yeah me too, and since these IMAX Enhanced Editions are on Disney Plus I now got rid of those old 4K Blu-Rays, and am waiting for the IMAX Enhanced Editions to come to 4k Blu-Ray.
Great comparison! Before I saw this, I had already switched from 2.35 widescreen to “IMAX Enhanced” while watching MCU content on Disney+.
(Subbed).
Yes you see more in the IMAX enhanced but the framing is clearly for 2.39:1 More is not necessarily better.
finally someone with a brain here
All of the 3D Blu-Rays have had the IMAX Enhanced versions included. I realize that not many people have 3D TV’s anymore but it’s still worth mention that they were there.
@Joseph Cuevas ye that's because the movie was shot in 2d and then converted to 3d. they slide the frame to create the depth of field effect so that the background goes inward while characters are rotoscoped out. kinda sucks this isn't true 3d but it saves them money from not having to shoot scenes in 2 cameras.
I recently picked up a limited collector’s edition of The Amazing Spider-Man (because I’m a rare TASM superfan) which came with a 3D Blu-Ray. I was disappointed to learn that 3D Blu-Ray was a short-lived gimmicky format in the early 2010s that required not only glasses but also it’s own TV and blu-ray player. Then I popped it into my PS4 and to my shock, you can actually watch the movies in 3D using PSVR. That’s actually super cool, and it looks perfect.
@@ParzivalTheThird you can still get 3D Blu-ray’s. Not always in North America though. I import mine from Europe or Asia. Why I just got Black Widow in 3D shipped in from Japan.
And it is worth mention that the 3D blu-rays always come with a 2D version aswell so you’re not hampered with always having to watch it in 3D.
My kids are too young to watch movies in 3D but I still treat myself to it when I have the opportunity.
Aspect ratios vs filmmaker intent can be a contentious topic. He's a parish now, but I liked Joss Whedon's concept of Avengers movies being Academy ratio for full frame spectacle & the solo movies aspect ratio being at whichever director's discretion.
It depends on the director, but these fuller frame releases may not have been the way they intended the movie to look.
Academy ratio is 1.38:1. I believe you're thinking of 1.85:1.
Where to download IMAX movie?
An actually very insightful video. I had my doubts before clicking, thinking it was just going to be a shallow presentation, but the points were very fleshed out.
Thank you so much for doing this video.
I was waiting for someone to do a detailed comparison.
Great analysis, thank you! I love the convenience of streaming, so I dearly wish the streaming services would just offer a premium version with video and audio bitrates that match the UHDBD versions. Take my money, please Disney/Netflix/Apple/Amazon!
I don't think every IMAX Enhanced version are the best. When I watched the IMAX Enhanced version along with the standard version, some shots of the IMAX version are just pan and scan of the standard version and not really expanded versions.
To some that might not be much of a big deal, but the composition is better on the standard version than the zoomed in ones in the IMAX version. Only Infinity War and Endgame has a true full IMAX version since it's been shot that way.
Sorry I don't quite understand what you are saying. Pan and scan was used to adapt the wide screen shots used in movies to the 4:3 ratio of SD television. How can that technique be used to adapt from the 4k to the IMAX version? From what I can tell it looks like it was the opposite. They seem to be shot in IMAX or larger and then chopped them down to the 4k's 16:9 (or 16:10) ratio?
@@captainsigismund6449 From what I know, these Marvel movies are composed primarily for scope ratio, with the exception of Infinity War and Endgame which was shot entirely in the IMAX format. Scope ratio isn't strictly 2.39:1 when shot, so there is excess data at the top and bottom then cropped to 2.39:1 when it's fully rendered. These "IMAX Enhanced" versions are just versions that are cropped to 1.9:1 instead of scope.
Now the issue with films shot and composed for scope ratio then reformatted for 1.9:1 is that not all of these scenes are "true" bigger shots. They say you can see a certain percent more, but not all of the shots are like that. Like the 3rd act of Shang Chi, some were really bigger shots where you see more details at the top and bottom than the scope version. But certain shots were just pan and scan crops of the scope version. It might be due to how the shots are composed.
Depends on the movie. Some like Dunkirk are intentionally shot in multiple scopes from 1.43:1 all the way to 2.39:1 to convey a scene in that specific aspect ratio. Even with Marvel movies, the IMAX Enhanced is "better to have than not" for the majority of scenes because directors have planned for it that way.
@@captainsigismund6449 i think what 이마크 was trying to say is that there are some movies that were originally in the 2.39:1 aspect ratio and in order for it to be "imax enhanced", the original long image was chopped on each side (pan and scan) to the 1.9:1 imax ratio (there is the 1.43:1 aspect ratio as well but it's only in tenet and batman). Yes, movies that were shot on imax cameras such as infinity war and endgame has an aspect ratio of 1.9:1 and were later reduced to 2.39:1 aspect ratio for the normal theatrical and bluray release (chopped on top and bottom). This happens as well on tenet and batman, going from 1.43:1 to 2.39:1 in theatres for imax sequences, and to 1.78:1 (16:9) for home tv releases. imax is always has been, and always will be designed to be viewed in the special imax theatre where the screens are huge, utilizing negative spaces for immersion where it's way off to the border of the viewer's vision. viewing shots composed for imax aspect ratio, on imax aspect ratio and on a small screen makes it feels out of place because everything is in the viewer's vision. after recently watching some imax movies in imax theatre, i will have to agree that there are some dialog narative heavy scenes where the traditional 2.39:1 cinematic aspect ratio would've worked better to let the viewer focus on the story and not on details we have to turn our heads to look at.
also you might want to google these aspect ratios they're a bit confusing when it's just numbers.
IMAX don't have pan and scan format it has full screen format
if you have seen any movie in pan and scan format than it is not true IMAX or maybe you have watched that movie from pirated sites or open matte (unofficial) format where ripper merge two different source file into one frame by frame and then there is black bar in each corner so they trim left and right
I was wondering about this. Excellent breakdown & explanation, thank you!
Hi Vincent! Great video, thanks. Do you recommend watching IMAX Enhanced titles with the IMAX Enhanced setting (in Bravia Core)? Disney+ doesn’t seem to have this option (only Dolby Vision).
Vincent, firstly incredible work as always! But I seem to remember you saying LG TVs had a tendency to increase/decrease the overall brightness of the panel when particularly bright scenes are shown. Do you think this could be why the overall brightness is affected in wide-screen as the TV is compensating for the black bars? Might be worth a test with a Sony/Panasonic OLED as well!
I would really like to see how the difference in bitrate actually affects image quality, it's really impossible to notice that from this zoomed out side by side comparison
Wish this taller aspect ratio become standard in normal cinemas and 4K blu-ray disc. Maximize screen real estate >>>> smaller viewing with big black bar.
I watch on a 21:9 display so i have ways favored the original aspect ratio of films as it filled my display but now everyone can have that feeling and option with the expanded ratios for 16:9 displays
I d'led the IMAX Enhanced version of 'Spider-Man: Far From Home' a few weeks ago. It was sourced from Sony's 'Bravia Core' streaming service, had the Atmos track from the 4K UHD disc and was 72 GB in size. 🙊
I've been searching for this for a long time and can never find it
"Movies are made up of 50% visuals and 50% audio and there are occasions when the audio out does the visuals"
I've had several soundbars and a surround sound package but it was only when I purchased an budget AVR and a pair of budget stereo speakers that I realised what I had been missing (stereo imaging, thumping base) besides going down this route one can always add to it overtime! subwoofer, surround speakers you could even get height speakers to get the full 'non-virtual' Dolby Atmos experience. Nowadays AVRs are so simple to setup, they even walk you through the process!
That is my #1 recommendation to everybody wanting to get better sound out of their TVs.
It may not be quite as simple as just plugging a soundbar directly into the TV, but even a budget AVR and budget bookshelf speakers will give you in my opinion a better audio experience than even the best soundbars on the market and can be significantly cheaper; and if you spent the money for a high end soundbar on a quality 2.1 system and some basic acoustic treatment you can get surprisingly close to cinema quality audio at home.
Essentially correct, but a lot more complicated in application. For example, there is an audio/video split but not always 50/50.
@@krane15 True. A very wise man at the NPPA Video Workshop said that good sound can carry bad pictures. Nothing helps bad sound.
I really enjoyed watching this. I am not as knowledgeable as you are, but I did compare Shang-Chi on Disney+ IMAX Enhanced, Apple TV, and Blu-Ray in DTS (with my receiver decoding audio) on my XBOX. Either way, I was blown away by this movie. It looked amazing on my 77 inch TV and Atmos system - a movie to watch over and over in either format! Thank you for sharing!
At the end of the day the best aspect ratio to watch a film in, is the one it was intended for, where the director and DOP have framed and blocked their shots to maximise the impact of what they're shooting. Being able to access an IMAX version at all is exciting though, as films shot intentionally for IMAX can really be impressive.
The Imax versions are excellent, I watched Shang Chi on Plus. However it’s hilarious Disney thought it wise to put their physical media out in inferior versions when was the easiest possible thing to put the Imax on the discs.
Maybe but Disney from the start planned to put the imax versions only on Disney+ and not on the disc. It’s their way of having another reason to keep people subscribed to their app. The same with hbo max when it comes to the justice is gray version of justice league or why the Snyder cut didn’t come with digital codes because they want you to stay subscribed to their app as long as possible if you want to watch those versions. Now Disney know they could release the movies with the imax enhanced scenes and they will make twice as much money from people buying those but why would they give up a constant revenue stream over a one time buy? It’s all about money and they know what they are doing to keep people subscribed to the app
@@dominicarroyo6269 they were giving imax ratio in their 3d disk except infinity war and endgame now from shang chi they stop giving imax ratio in 3d disk
@@tarunverma802 but how many people still do 3-D tho ? Ik there’s people who do 3-D but that number has drop drastically over the years. I wish 3-D could make a comeback tho
@@dominicarroyo6269 3d is amazing for VR headsets. hopefully now 3d is getting bigger and bigger it will make a comeback.
Would love to see a blind test between streaming service video quality vs Blu-ray. That would help conclude whether the lower bitrate is perceivable in motion picture or not
It definitely is to me, but to be fair I have a more trained eye
@@jonahflint4200 how did you train your eyes?
@@baan7782 by understanding what compression artifacts look like and how colors and contrast are supposed to look
@@RdCrestdBreegull yeah i see streaming artifacts almost instantly 4k streaming isnt even better than 1080p bluray ic you exclude the hdr aspect
Where to download IMAX movie?
Someone please explain to me the point of the black bars at the top and bottom of the screen? Why are they there? I never got it. I have a 60" TV I want it all filled, why add the bars and make the picture smaller? Old 4:3 TVs did this to make it widescreen, but all TVs sold now are widescreen already, so the bars are not needed anymore! Why do they still exist??? Whats the point?
There was a scene on No Way Home that they talk about something that’s not in frame on the regular Dolby version but then I went to the IMAX showing and you can tell what they were pointing out. I hope Sony releases the imax version and I hope Disney releases the imax blu rays
What scene(
What scene?
Thanks for this test Vincent!
And i totally agree with you conclusion. While i love the higher quality of blue ray disks it cannot make up for the viewing experience these Imax Enhanced titles offer. I personally stopped buying Marvell movies for now because of this.
I dont think there is any reason why they could not launch this on Disk since for example the batman movies are switching back and forth between normal and Imax apect rations when watching the 4K blueray version on disk.
I hope more movies will feature these aspect ratio's or 16:9 thats one think i like a bout a lot of netflix content its full screen. An yes OLED has a harder time with the ABL but i love how the A90J is handeling that so far. (A9G was truggeling at times).
False. A movie is only as good as its production, and that goes a lot further than simply aspect ratio alone.
@@krane15 off course but with a bad production it's always bad.
But that was not what I was talking about I was talking about the examples Vincent gave the Marvell movies and then blue ray scope with better bitrate for audio and video vs streaming with imax aspect ratio. In that case I and Vincent prefer the streaming version with the wider aspect ratio. Productions are similar on both cases.
I wont stop buying because that would sign the death of Bluray which is limping along as it is. They want us to not own anything so we have to pay forever, and what if they suddenly decide all this content is taking up too much storage for not enough viewers, then you have no Bluray to buy and no streaming version either.
@@alexatkin i will still buy but nothing from disney.
I hope more streaming services will get quality like Bravia core. That one is really good! Only audio is still a issue because of the media tech chipset screwing things up. Blue ray audio is still better. But iq wise it's very close to blueray
The reason for Disney not to publish this ratio to BR or any physical media is to give their streaming service an upper hand - exclusiveness
The Disney + version of the Black Panther is the best version. I remember that the version I saw in the cinema was so black that I couldn't see anything clearly, but the streaming version had a very strong visual impact. I watched it on my LG C1, XF90 and even oneplus 9 pro phone.
They also added a tribute to Chadwick at the start of the movie on D+.
@@Neoxon619 I can't imagine Black Panther without him. In my mind, he is the only candidate for T'Challa.
A lot of theaters use messed up or old equipment that makes the experience bad compared to what we can get at home now days.
at 3:17 , On how things look bigger, Corridor Digital has covered it in their VFX react where they are showing Game of Thrones dragons look bigger because of the cut out from the frame
if you want to watch Corridor statement, its specifically " VFX Artists React to Bad & Great CGi 28 " at 4:25
Also depends on your broadband bandwidth. I have no access to FTTH and have to rely on FTTC. Often my bandwidth will not enable streaming a 4k Dolby vision with Atmos stream at full quality making the PQ/AQ on a 4K disc much better.
It shouldn't be called 'expanded' aspect ratio, as it's just a regular 16:9 which is also standard for blu-rays. Question arises, why those movies were cropped to widescreen AR in the first place? Also, keep in mind, at some point Disney may take those movies off the list from the streaming service and you won't be able to watch them anymore. So, to me this 'expanded' version is just a pure marketing to bring more sales to for streaming service.
Because the optical aspect of the movie is widescreen not 16:9 full screen. The main purpose of 16:9 is to try and get the aspect as close to the film as possible. IMAX enhanced is a gimmick that unfortunately will probably end up being the norm. On a large TV screen you want the image to be as close to native as possible and not some gimmick.
It is the reason why digital cinema theatres have taken over as people were lied to.
Why would Disney ever take their own first-party, exclusive content off their own streaming service?
@@michaelmancarella7518 To boost blu ray sales.
@@BassLiberators If they were concerned with blu ray sales they wouldn't have made Disney+ in the first place.
@@BassLiberators physical media is gradually giving way to streaming.
Usually an aspect ratio is another part used in story telling. Most directors and editors keep the imax ratios limited to scenes where they want you to see it all. It is interesting that this entire movie could have the larger aspect ratio though. It's an odd decision to purposefully waste space (lose picture) on consumer blurays when you know almost all of the TVs will be 16:9.
Physical disc for me.
I loved blu ray when it first dropped. The detail on the 1080p tvs back then was amazing.
Really the limitation for the 2160p tvs now. It can only go dark to an extent.
I'd rather have the better sound as well along with the way a movie should be viewed. I do not like it when it is super bright on parts of movies.
Bring back plasma tv's, imagine a 2160p Plasma!
Vincent’s jokes followed by a ding are just priceless
I prefer the black bars and wider 2.39:1 ratio. It gives more of a cinema feel for me.
For the two Guardians of the Galaxy movies, there are 2 amazing frame breaking scenes that were removed in the Disney Plus IMAX cut. Those were incredible.
Which scenes are those?
@@DanielRodriguez-eh1qd I have the same question 👀
The scene in Guardians of the galaxy where Groot rescues Drax.
And In GotG2, there are lots of Frame breaking scenes. Most of them are asteroids and explotions. The best two are,
1. Yondu's arrow when it is fired to Rocket.
2. When Nebula fires at Yondu's 'headpiece'. It's an incredible 3D frame break scene.
What's a frame break?
HDTVTest: These IMAX Enhanced are exclusively available on Disney+
Torrentors: *awkward glance*
I would have never known without this video. Great job!
Even though I am normally against changing aspect ratios in such scenarios due to creator's intent, I still believe that Disney should have at least given people a choice and not limit this to Disney+. The amount of subscription services over which all movies/series are spread nowadays and the way companies force FOMO in people is infuriating.
💯 🙌🏽. Choice is 🔑. To me at least.
Where to download IMAX movie?
why are you infuriated with a companies distribution channels? that some entitled shit
Now compare the impact of the bit rates...
2:51 Wow! Can't believe framing can have such an impact!
I really enjoy your thorough reviews.
Surely they can do the same on discs?
I just hope they eventually update our digital copies on Movies Anywhere with the Imax AR versions as an option. I’m not rebuying any of them.
That's not gonna happen.
Would be nice if at least iTunes/apple did that like they did with free 4K upgrades.
at first I thought it would just be zoomed in a bit. its nice how its actually scaled properly. They did the complete opposite with Jurassic park bluray. they cropped the 4:3 into 2.39:1 and lost so much of the vertical framing
Really cool vid, as got me thinking; and I like vids that do that👍🏻
Make a great point and it “hits home”, THANKS😊
Widescreen videos are so much better as it fills up the entire 16:9 screen I paid for. Filling up my tv gives far better immersion. I actually like "negative space". Framing your shots as an aspect ratio with black bars (fullscreen, scope) but filming with 16:9 widescreen looks so cool to me.
I agree, a lot of close up shots in modern movies feel almost claustrophobic to me at times. Like it's so close it feels like I'm standing way to close to someone while talking to them. Having more room makes the shot feel a lot more like a close intimate conversation without being uncomfortably close. And being able to see more of the surroundings gives a better reference for where things are happening.
Since almost all TVs are 16:9 it really makes sense to display the video in 16:9 instead of widescreen. If you've got a projector then you can be a bit more flexible with the aspect ratio, but in a regular HDTV 16:9 is king.
@@andmicbro1 Whenever I watch a movie with widescreen(16:9) it's just is so amazing. Especially with 1080p or 4K. Just sucks you into the world.
@@andmicbro1 Tell that to Zack Synder.
Negative space is an important too in film production. That said, there is nothing magical about filling the screen. Especially since there are aspect ratios much greater than 16:9. Which in itself, is a compromise.
@@krane15 That's your opinion. For me and many others a fully filled screen is immersive.
People now watch movies at home on TV. The rate of going to the cinema-theatre has decreased a lot. Why should movies be broadcast in 21:9 format as if we are watching them on a cinema screen and reduce the field of view? It is a logical move. All movies should now be broadcast in full screen 16:9 format.
In the mandalorian, some of the big battle scenes went from wide screen to IMAX, and then back to wide screen when it was over.
Thanks for letting me know what to get whenever I sail the high seas
This pains me to no end. Especially when coupled with (from what I've seen) an inferior audio track. So now we have to choose, "better" picture (larger aspect ratio, better HDR format, lower bitrate) or actually better audio.
It's criminal that films directly produced for streaming services aren't in IMAX or 16:9 format by default.
Most films are now watched in the living room on a 16:9 TV!
Filmmakers don't care about what works the best for your TV. They care about what works best for the film. Even a lot of TV series now are ditching 16:9 for 2:35:1. The Marvel movies are shot with the intent to be seen in varying aspect ratios, so you can benefit from the larger frame. Most films aren't.
criminal would be the intentional watering down of content to suit TV owners. 16:9 is a compromised aspect ratio (born as the middle ground between two extremes--4:3 & 2.39:1). 2:1 seems to be the default streaming aspect ratio these days for tv shows which is at least a step in the right direction towards a wider AR. still prefer scope for film and always will, and i say that as someone who enjoys all aspect ratios and watches content on both a TV, and a 160" projection setup.
@@wafflesforbrains9502 agreed. A scope film wants to enhance the distance of 2 people sharing screen real estate. Doing that on a 16x9, to the HDTVTest video's point, makes shots "feel" different. I agree with filmmakers choosing wider ratios. Please keep testing projectors, @hdtvtest!
Nah.
What's really criminal is that there aren't native 21:9 TV's available to buy.
I recall LG showing off a 21:9 OLED TV many many years ago but I don't think it ever made it to the market.
@@wafflesforbrains9502 I believe Superman and Lois uses that wider more cinematic aspect ratio compared to 99% of TV shows filmed in 16:9.
Difference is extremely noticable when using an RGB strip like the govee T2!
I’m impressed they actually reduced the cropping, instead of zooming. Pretty cool stuff
that was the main question i had when clicking on this video. did they convert it to ~16:9 by cropping off the sides as had been done with films in the past, or did they actually restore what they cropped off the top and bottom to make it widescreen in the first place. good to see they did it properly.
The preference depends on the movies for me
That black box always drove me crazy... Fps seems less in the IMAX version. Am I wrong?
200” projection screen in my HT is my daily driver so I’ll keep my higher bit rate and proper atmos support, the black bars are only cumbersome on small tvs, also it gives a much more cinematic feel anyways. Physical media is still king for HT applications
Damn. Never saw a more rational, helpful and perfect Video! thanks
They need to introduce Imax Enhanced picture mode and not just the aspect ratio, I prefer it to Dolby Vision.
I love physical media but it’s getting harder to justify…this IMAX stuff is just really nice
Even if they update the Blu-ray, gonna have to buy again
I wish we moved to a USB stick. Lots of space and can be updated if needed, no spinning disc noise, no reading hiccups…call it the Blu-Stick UHD+ Max
Hello Vincent, I quite often have to avoid HDR and Dolby Vision Content (Mostly streamed) as it's very quick to cause eye strain. I end up having to turn on ambient lighting or keep reaching for my CX remote to adjust oled light and contrast every other scene because its either too dark or too bright. Having streamed the D+ imax enhanced avengers film last night in a pitch black room, it was glorious, appropriately bright across every scene and I didn't have to reach for my cx remote once. How and why? Any thoughts? Is it just that not everyone is implementing HDR and dolby vision correctly?
I love watching everything in Dolby Vision. I use my 4k Google Chromecast, I just keep the settings on DV, even for non-DV content.
This is interesting, thanks. I couldn't tell because I didn't have a side by side comparison.
Almost every movie is nowadays recorded in a 16:9 and later framed in the cinematic 21:9 aspect ratio so we loose a lot of image. If Disney has released these "enhanced" aspect ratio versions for their Marvel movies it is just to promote their platform, they now don't care a lot about the physical releases.
back in my day "open matte" was a bad thing. if these extended versions are supposedly the "best" versions of the movie, why were we not shown that in the theater?
Because while on tv you can change the height of the picture as the width is the constant, in non true imax cinemas, it's the height that's the constant and the width that changes (how does no-one ever notice the black curtains?!!!). So if you wanted to do the aspect changes there, you'd have to start with the width being greatly reduced.
well... you were shown it in theaters, you just had to go to an IMAX location that supported the 1.90 aspect ratio
For me, the struggle between Blu Ray and streaming is the following:
Do I want the IMAX ratio, convenience of digital movies, saving space in my room w/o discs,
or
actually owning the movie on disc instead of being at the mercy of Disney, not having to worry about potential Internet connection problems, at the cost of having to take up space on my shelves and being limited to a standard 2.35:1 ratio?
I don't know, both have upsides and downsides, but I can't definitively say I prefer one method of viewing over the other.
I really wish there were more IMAX ratio 4K discs. I much prefer the framing for both immersion and for the way negative space can (and should) be used.
Much like you always advocate for creators intent when talking about picture quality I personally extend that same stance to when it comes to aspect ratio and image composition and framing. The filmmaker is telling their story and how the picture is framed is a part of how they wish the story be told. I've never been a fan of catering to audiences who want their screens filled whether it is turning widescreen movies to full screen like was done when TVs were 4:3 or how older 4:3 TV shows are being "remastered" into 16:9.
Spot on. This does seem kinda pandering to black bar haters. And 'Scope films really shouldn't be too much of a distraction when presented within a 16:9 container anyway?! And to think I watched Its a Mad Mad Mad Mad World on Laserdisc on a 4:3 CRT!
True but for some of these movies, namely the movies the Russo brothers worked on, I recall them going on about Infinity War and Endgame being "shot for IMAX" with the Alexa 65 "Imax" camera, and for the bluray releases to be all scope was pretty disappointing, as the final battle in Endgame looks significantly better with an expanded AR. Dune is another example of a disappointing bluray release as that is also going to be scope only. Dune looked very very good during the IMAX wide shots & action sequences and for them to be excluded on the home release is a damn crime.
@@krismate2895 haven't seen Dune yet, but for BR2049 Villeneuve and Deakins were vehemently against the open matt Imax shots in the film. The constant 2.39:1 AR was preferred for BR2049. How those 'expanded' scenes came to be in the release I don't know, but it's obvious to me that sometimes the film makers have their artistic vision pushed on by the studios.
@@StephenGarnett Yes, Deakins is very much against it. He is a 100% scope person and that's fine. BR2049 has some nice 1.90:1 wide shots but they do have a lot of empty space and there's really too few to really bother having shifting AR. For Dune, however, the wide shots (of which there are plenty) and big action sequences, definitely favour the expanded AR. It's just disappointing when filmmakers say "this looks best in IMAX" or "it's shot for IMAX," yet the home media ignores this and has scope only. I think expanded AR for action sequences, scope for more intimate dialogue scenes, like Christopher Nolan does is the perfect mixture, even on non-IMAX screens, like 55" or 65" TVs, it still has an increased impact on the audience/viewer.
Amen. I already posted a (way too long) post below on this very subject here and won't repeat it here. OAR for the win!.
I own A LOT of regular blurays and now I’ve started buying 4K UHD blurays. It’s great honestly and I’m very satisfied with it, but I must confess that I also really really enjoy my 4K Apple TV collection and even disneyplus and Netflix for that matter… i really don’t get “the DD+ version of Dolby Atmos is bad” thing… I’ve watched many youtube comparisons and yes 4K UHD audio is better, BUT NOT BY THAT MUCH! It’s still very much enjoyable. I have an LG 65C9 and man does EVERYTHING look nice on it. DV looks amazing whether I watch it on disneyplus or Apple TV etc (I haven’t seen DV on a 4K disc yet, I don’t even think it exist in Belgium tbh I’ve looked everywhere and couldn’t find a damn 4K blu-ray movie with DV only hdr10 but whatever…)
Normal Blu-ray movies look really great, 4K HDR movies look awesome but because those look awesome doesn’t mean all of a sudden that the normal Blu-ray doesn’t look good anymore… the same with audio. Yes Dolby True HD is what you want and need BUT that doesn’t mean DD+ can’t also be really fun and awesome… comparison is the death of joy and man ow man do people into hometheater like to ruin things for themselves by comparing WAY too much…🙄
Edit: I have an LG 65C9, Panasonic DP-UB450 4K UHD Blu-Ray player (it has EVERYTHING the more expensive models have except wifi and stuff but audio/video wise it has everything), Yamaha Aventage RX-A2040, klipsch RP600M (L+R), klipsch RP504C (center channel) and klipsch SPL-150 subwoofer. Apple TV, disneyplus and Netflix are from the TVOS.
I’m planning to expand my 3.1.0 setup in the future to a 5.1.4 setup but this 3.1 setup is no slouch by all means! It’s a great setup and I love watching movies on it. It’s way better than a soundbar or whatever and I really do feel like I’m in a ‘theater’. Whether I’m watching 4K blurays or disneyplus. THAT WAS MY WHOLE POINT. Yes setup matters of course it does but the formats you’re watching on your great setup DOESN’T as much…
Assesing audio differences would be different depending on audio setup (avr , amplification and speakr config)
If you have a genuinely great sound system then it’s a night and day difference.
I have the Sony ubp 800 m it’s in America and it has Dolby vision if you want it
@@PeterScream I made an edit in my original comment. And yes I do agree that the setup makes the difference but I don’t agree that the formats you’re playing matter that much if you have a great setup.
@@gordonk9001 yes of course I agree, but whether you’re playing DD+ or Dolby True HD on your great setup doesn’t matter that much does it? The setup itself matters
Currently watching this excellent review on my laptop with bluetooth headphones, and Disney+ in another tab doesn't show me any audio options for Dolby Digital etcon the main movie title screen, or the Details tab.
Will these options only appear if I plug my laptop into an HDMI amplifier or soundbar?
I saw this vid and, as I have the 3D Blu-ray of Civil War, I checked it out. The aspect ratio changes at one point. The airport fight is in the enhanced IMAX aspect ratio whereas all other scenes have the wide-screen letterbox bars.