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We take a deep dive into the Marvel mastermind Viscant and how he took Phoenix from an unknown to the best character in the game.
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you put some respek on LowTierGod's name 😭
Why are you so fat?
Fun fact Viscant was spending hours a day working on online gambling and apparently making pretty good money... until the US essentially banned it in April 2011. 6 hours of gambling turned into 6 hours of Marvel that year and the results speak for themselves
YOU ACTING LIKE HE WAS A FACTOR AFTER MVC3 WAS FIGURED OUT, 😂
@@KyyaJoon lol he won Evo and was volunteering at soup kitchens for the homeless. You're a player hating bum who has nothing better to do because you're not good at anything. You're a non factor. Don't be a bully (:
I'm more impressed by him making a living on gambling than his one Evo win.
@@KyyaJoon Hahahahahaha he won EVO pipe down, scrub
Guess that explains how he can suffer a loss against that Tron level 3 and rebound so easily. A good gambler doesn't let the loss get him down.
I remember how the usual loudmouths in the community used to give Viscant massive amounts of shit for "writing guides for MVC3 without winning anything" and right after that he went and took EVO
Must have felt good
Haters? In the FGC? NO WAY 😂
People still discredit Viscant because he "only won vanilla MvC3" to this very day. The FGC is fuckin stupid.
Those were just LTGs alt accounts, he's still trying to wash the taste out of his mouth.
@@mostverticalproductions4808 He put LTG in his place, that was the greatest moment in FGC history. I don't remember who won evo each year, but I will always remember when he embarrassed ltg.
There's a really great quote from Viscant somewhere in which he's saying that he knew that HAD to be his year, 'cause since his execution wasn't as good as most of the other top players, he had to rely in his strategic skill to come up with something before the game was too much 'solved'
Man literally told me years ago that he can't do shoryuken inputs guaranteed, so he tries to play characters with good AA normals.
@@SuperGitaroomanfelt this
There have always been certain players who wre really really good at finding abuseable tech quick who "peak" early in a game's life cycle, I don't want to name any names. It was especially noteable in SFIV vanilla where certain players had months alone with SFIV before the general community.
Oh wow didn't know Viscant was that good on MvC3, I know him for his fight against LowTierGod on SFIV, gonna watch it before bed. Great video as always man, love your commentaries on historical fighting matches, hope you have a great day!
Same, I'll never forget that video. Watching LTG's ego get rekt gives such a Justice boner
He himself said he sucked at SF4 which makes his LTG beatdown even funnier in hindsight
"Let's go Viscant, EVO champ!"
I remember when that beef started, and I was thinking, "wait viscant plays street fighter?" 😂
@@attitude2492I was a blanka main so I knew who he was, didn’t know about him playing marvel until he won evo
That verbal combo he hit on Dale will forever be a top moment!
mEnTaLlY uNtOuChAbLe
@@CoronaMageGAH DUU
Gotta wash that taste out..
Critical Hit!
*COUNTER*
STAGGER+++
Verbal combo😂
Shoutouts to Viscant, the best Fate of Two Worlds player ever. Miss that dude
Lol, Justin took Dark Phoenix shouting, “RUN” literally. God, it was hilarious seeing people’s reaction to Phoenix.
Kinda forgot D.Phoenix actually has "RUN" as a voice clip!
XD
Marvel 3 is like this:
Ok ok, I get the strategy. Ok it makes sense. Ok nice picks, nice sinergy.
Then the gameplay starts and it's all like:
QOIWEQIUYWREKJBGLKCVPSXCLKFVOIEUHDQWDQWPBCKNPISCGHSPODKFNOPIHQWRE a million miles per hour
Accurate lol
"DBZ non-combatants watching battles in the sidelines besides Krillin" experience
XD
Thats how I feel about Tekken or any other game that idiotically uses numpad for notation
@@airthrowDBT 236HP
XD
@@Ramsey276one Needs more tildes and pluses for extra readability (236)~~LP+RK~*4,4>7(hold)LK, LK 5+HP~~~ A Tekken Bread and Butter
The real MVP here is Viscant's self-awareness. He knew in himself he couldn't constantly play someone like Magneto, so he looked at what best fits his mechanical skill and won
Viscant dominated marvel at its infancy and people later figured out its weaknesses and how to deal with his team. RyanLV is the one i truly believe figured out marvel especially at the height and tailend of its popularity
his team had too many win conditions and he had backup plans so his team never felt like it falls apart when he loses any one of his characters
RyanLV is a phenomenal player, but his team is far from the peak of marvel and did not have a lasting impact on the (still active) meta. The reality is that phoenix teams lose to Morrigan and Zero teams - either because of meter steal combos, or Zero getting to snap and mix your whole team while you're down an assist and can't use meter.
Marvel IS mostly figured out now - some characters are better than they were, like MODOK / Hulk, some are worse, but it's still mostly Zero / Doom / Vergil / Morrigan / Magneto at the top, and Chris G was probably the most significant example.
100%!! I loved a game Kbrad hosted and I forgot who RyanLV was "playing" - but whoever it was used every resource, exhausted every option, got lucky in every mix-up and actually killed Phoenix. You could almost feel a relief in the crowd, and then Morrigan came in and landed a one hit-infinite and Kbrad said something like "You did it! You did the nearly impossible and took out RyanLV's Phoenix! And here's your prize! A LV5 Morrigan and Chun!" ahahh
@@ProzacStylings I'm not sure you're point really contradicts his. I agree with his sentiment, at that point Marvel had been out for about 5-6 years and the top 100 was filled with Zero May Crys and Morridoms and the Magnitels and the one off teams like Wolf/Storm/Akuma and Firebrand/Doom/Skrull that were very player specific with tons of practice. RyanLV came onto the scene and destroyed every tournament with an unusual team that nobody could touch- both due to his phenomenal skills, quick judgment and knowledge of the game. After his win, MvC died out. I don't think he was saying that RyanLV's team was the meta, but it was the last year in which a challenger brought an unconventional team up that took everyone by storm.
It's easy to say how one team loses to another in theory, but it's different in practice.
I think you're right as it relates to MvC being mostly explored, and the only recent new team I've seen make waves was IHeartJustice a few years ago and most recently LiberalTerminator bringing back Nova and Spencer - I don't think there's been any real change to the meta since the mid-teens
@@TheWorstType This is wrong in pretty much every way.
For one, 2023 Evo Marvel dwarfed any year where Ryan was a star. It had twice the entrants of 2016. If anything, Marvel was dead while Ryan was making waves, and increased in popularity since.
Two, the meta HAS changed significantly. Phoenix was still a top tier contender when Ryan won, there were other serious phoenix contenders, his team was only particularly notable because Chun. Phoenix is no longer top tier. The Zeros and Morrigans today are much better, and Phoenix has very little chance surviving a Zero+assists neutral into snap, and every morrigan contender will land her soul drain combos. There were no phoenix finalists in '23 top 8 evo, it was dominated by the better Zero and Morrigan players, as has been the case with almost all majors for about two years.
Lastly, yes, obviously my "his techniques are outdated" directly contradicts the idea that RyanLV "solved" Marvel. The only players that can be considered to have "solved marvel" are the players that pioneered the beginnings of what wins most tournaments now, which is early Zero players and Chris G. Everyone else was just trying less effective techniques and hoping the zero/morrigan they were playing wasn't good enough.
@@ProzacStylings So I see in your comments that you have a habit of arguing against things that weren't actually said - and then kind of want to show off your knowledge I guess?
I said: After his win, it died out. Which is factual, until the resurgence post pandemic- it didn't even feature until an tiny 2021. His win was the last year it was popular until recently.
Two: How are you going to say in your first comment that the meta hasn't changed that much aside from a few changes, and then tell me how drastic the meta has changed, and then only speak on Phoenix? Nobody here said the team is unbeatable or the best.
The point being said was that as Marvel died out from public popularity - the peak seemed to be in 2017, which is accurate, and to your point even post the peak. It's getting a new one now, but the game, like YOU said has not changed in any meaningful way considering the top 8s. 2017 was the last time a new, inventive style/team took people by storm and tossed out the old rules, we haven't seen that since.
I get that your passionate and knowledgeable but - yes, I'm going to be wrong in everything I say if you keep making up the things you think I said instead of what I actually said.
If youll notice, nobody is disagreeing with you - I said your point doesn't contradict his. It's an additional point that's semi-adjacent.
Has me missing MvC3, here's to hoping MvC4 gets released
Viscant's wesker was such a beast. Especially when level 3 xfactored.
I will never forget when Viscant banished LowtierGod to the shadow realm.
I went to high school in Claremont California with Viscant. I knew him as Jay, and he would battle with me at the YAC right next to the high school, where there were a couple arcade games there. One of which was Marvel Super Heroes and X men vs Street Fighter. We had some legendary battles back then. He had an extremely good Shuma Gorath, and in xmen vs sf i would play my team of Charlie/juggernaut against Viscant. He was definitely one of to toughest players to compete against even back then. Good times.
Viscant is such an underrated player, good to see videos like this for sure. He was such an inspiration for me
NO HES NOT... HE WAS NEVER A FACTOR IN SF OR MARVEL AFTER THAT EVO... REMEMBER THIS IS LIKE A RANDOM WINNER TOURNEY CAUSE THE GAME WAS NEW AND FILLED WITH BUGS. AFTER VANILLA HE WAS NOWHERE TO BE FOUND
@KyyaJoon wrong he was a really smart player, and this was a really competative game, cope harder.
@@rakanelafrangi161 NAME ALL THE TOURNAMENTS HE WON, 😂😂
@@KyyaJoon name all the tournaments you won
@@rakanelafrangi161 IM A TRUCK DRIVER AND IM ONLY 27 I WON AT LIFE MY BOY
As a San Diego resident, I've been able to run into Viscant in years past at locals and the like. In Ultimate, he eventually switched to Zero/Doom/Vergil but sometimes in casuals, he'd bring out his vanilla Wesker/Haggar/Phoenix team which I always found fun to watch in Ultimate even with Phoenix haha!
I remember him sometimes talking about what would be a theoretical optimal Phoenix team in Ultimate, factoring in the usual things but putting an emphasis on meter build. It's hard to remember all that stuff now but one of the teams he theorized I believe was Zero/Doom/Phoenix, which is the team PZPoy used. Peak Marvel 3 days were so much fun.
The Morrigan expertise that came after Chris G has basically removed Phoenix from top tier. That may or may not be a 'best phoenix team', but any modern Phoenix team is functionally going to be disadvantaged against a Morrigan team or a Zero team with two good assists.
@@ProzacStylings RyanLV, the modern age of UMvC3, and even tier lists and discussions during ChrisG's dominance would say otherwise.
@sdstig Lmao. One, "the modem age of UMvC3" is exactly what proves phoenix is no longer top tier. There were no phoenixes in the $25,000 '23 Evo top 8. None. Events are consistently dominated by a top tier that doesn't involve her. Two, I specifically said "That came after Chris G". Three, what RyanLV says is irrelevant, as are tier lists. Theorycrafting is dogwater in comparison to results, and results prove that phoenix cannot compete on the level of zero/morrigan in the modern marvel.
The only legitimate purpose of theory crafting is to attempt to explain results. The explanation for why Zero/Morrigan > Phoenix is easy. Zero has the best snap mixups in the game and gets to use two assists and meter. Morrigan has soul drain combos, and can play aggressively when she wants to use them.
The more people perfected the gameplay of Zero and Morrigan, the less possible it became to play against them with one assist and no meter, and expect to keep your phoenix or your meter.
Viscant is an OG in the FGC, gotta love him.
Crazy to me seeing all these comments from people talking about Viscant in all these different eras of FGC. I first remember Viscant from X-Men vs Street Fighter discussion on the AOL GameWiz boards, way back in the days before GameFAQs even existed.
Pre-SRK, Viscant was a prominent poster on Gouki’s Page of Whatever (GPOW) forums. I remember him posting high level MvC1 tech in the late 90s
GPoW?? That's a name I haven't heard since the KLOV days.
It’s funny in hindsight knowing that marvel 3 players were dismissive of Phoenix as a win condition at first glance (if memory serves there were even rumblings at the time that she would be better being played straight up on point, take that with a grain of salt though). Credit to Viscant and Fchamp for being ahead of the curve on that one.
It was obvious to anyone w a brain honestly. Zero and Phoenix deniers where always delusional
And vanilla Dante was such a big thing potential wise it took a lot of the attention until he got nerfed
I think it was less they were dismissive of Phoenix as a win condition and more thinking it would be foolish to try and do that in a tournament setting. Even really early on in MvC3's life everyone knew how powerful Phoenix was with Level 3 X-factor. I remember the message boards complaining about her. In a Casual setting it's really easy to get her active but less so against skilled players who know how to get the snap back and trap her. The struggles Viscant suffered trying to keep her alive is testament to that.
None of this is true. It was a soft ban on Phoenix where most top players in vanilla just thought she was cheap and refused to play her. Jay has problems with execution so dark phoenix strat worked. This video is just wrong lol.
@@zphdbbox
It REALY is.
I came to the comments (presuming most aren't bots) to see how many bandwagoners would hop saying the same BS when everyone and their mother knew Dark Phoenix was straight up cheap.
We used to travel from AZ to Nickle palace in San Diego just to have a chance to bump into anyone from that scene. They were all so good at their respected games. This was well before mvc3.
I remember the one time I made it to SHGL and it was like Mecca...rando dudes you never heard of were godlike
@@airthrowDBT I never made to SHGL but i did make it to Family Fun arcade in the early 2000s and it was just magical. The level of friendliness was only matched by the level of play.
All these moments bring back so much good memories from my teenage years. Ive said it before but ill say it again, thank you for making these videos
Viscant is one of the smartest, most strategic players to ever grace the FGC. Also his old SRK posts were informative and entertaining.
How was he in MVC2
@@jaylenrose3528 he technically invented Team Thrax and found the synergy for Storm and Sentinel before everyone else.
yeah he was an encyclopedia of information back in the day lots of theorycrafting min maxing
I didn't know that damn
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As a devoted Street Fighter and Fatal Fury player for my whole life, the fact that anyone can make calls in such a fast pace game is literally beyond my compacity for thought.
Great vid as always, the audio levels were a bit weird at the Viscant vs Justin Wong segment at around 12:00, commentary is way too loud compared to you.
ITS MAHVELL BABYYYYYYYYYYYY
Bro.... PLEASE do the most EMOTIONAL UMVC3 battle in history!! Dapvip vs. Terry bogard
Very emotional for sure. I feel another emotional match is rayray vs coachsteve evo. You could tell both players wanted each other to win. Heart wrenching
22:20 This is by far one of my favorite FGC moments. I remember I was just getting into marvel and hated Phoenix so much😂 That Tron's super was sick!
Ive seen that PR rog evo moment so many times and I never realized who he did it on in top 8 wow.
Something else to note, weskers gun shot was a lot faster. had more chip and more hit stun AND made otg more consistent.
Always gold time in this channel!
I really can't wait for the stories and trivia about the MvC2 era, in order to ride the hype of the incoming collection!
Nah fam this video was TOO good! Keep it up!
Wonder if LTG'S daughter is watching this vid 😶
LTG HAVE A DAUGHTER?!?!
I think you meant dale?
From lowtiergod to deadbeatdad and highdebtgroomer hahaha
Lowtierdad
He`s still trying to wash the taste of this comment out of his mouth.
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Congratulations man! Over 30k subscribers in a year. I remember when you showed up out of nowhere like it was yesterday 😂
Appreciate you watching the content!!
Love the breakdown! Really enjoy your commentary on UMvC3 and all the explanations. It makes it really easy for someone who enjoys watching UMvC3 to understand but doesn't get the techincal side of the gameplay.
What a great watch! binge watched all your content, its been awesome. Thank you so much
I really only played Vanilla Marvel 3, but your docs are so damn well done I get hyped with every upload of yours, sir
I know he’s widely known for MVC 3 , but just to give him some props , I believed he was the one that discovered the storm sentinel DHC early on in 2001 or 2002 that eventually became one of the most used top tier teams.
12:08 he was going to say Justin Wrong instead of Wong 😂
What an amazing documentary, i dont even play fighting games and i find this stuff fascinating
New viewer and now subscriber. I like how you narrate without either extreme boredom, or over the top excitement. Going to binge your videos! I won't even bring up Pawnstars lol!
I accept my role as Chum Lee of the FGC
Wise people know. Enlightened people know themselves! I'm an asshole, but I'm not a fucking asshole! Bro, I can already tell you are a great person lol! Looking forward to your content!
This and the iheartjustice video analysis are top content right here.
Congrats and can't wait to see more!
I hate how all the features of youtube premium are just things they used to have but slowly started making us pay for. funfact: youtube makes the sensitivity on your screen higher, so you can't keep it in your pants pocket while listening
Honestly, that comeback from PR Balrog with Tron was damn impressive.
Wow glad to see viscant get credit i didnt know anything about marvel and thought was the best at the game at the time when i started watching fgc streams because of what he was figuring out and the tech he had before anyone else. It's great to see this highlighted openly! His tech and strategy was really ahead of it's time.
Wild to think I watched this live. What a moment.
Same and I was in boot camp at the time!?
One of my old roommates was a Wesker main. And yeah, he was usually winning against us in the house when we would play some matches. But eventually I figured out how to use Dante, Deadpool and Amaterasu in an effective enough way to completely shut him out.
Amaterasu has some really good stage filling attacks that catch wesker so to speak. Then Deadpool is able to play keep away really effectively, while Dante is better for going in for the blitz.
Then both dp and dante have their gun supers, so those combo together nicely; especially with amaterasu bringing down a lightning bolt on the enemy to keep them stationary.
Oh, and Amies wind swap move was really useful against Wesker as well. Those two moves of hers, plus the ice shot mode basically made her invincible against Wesker. But if he got her down, DP and Dante came in to clean up.
This was my favorite part of Marvel!!! Theorycrafting against a team that was winning against you.
I did the same against my buddies Morrigan team. I low key love the team you made too and think it's really strong
Very goood videos man. Cant wait till you make a video about the winter brawl beef between kane and fchamp. Thanks for the amazing videos :)
having watched KBRs Haggar, it really hurt to see any other Haggar lol
Viscant haggar was just for assist lol, kane blue river haggar was dangerous
Tight bro! Good stuff. Thanks for the entertainment
2:41 I will say this time and time again this is one of the best intros to a game than some Iv seen
11:37 “justin is arguably the strongest marvel vs capcom 2 player”
not even “arguably” lol
he just is
Him and sanford kelly.
Not sure how you left Yipes out of that. Those three are all Evo champs. Justin had more wins over them, and a more tournament wins overall, period. He’s the best.
Shoutout to Duc Do as well. Man is freaking gdlk (also an Evo Champ).
watching that Evo finals on the live stream that year is one of my favorite tournament memories. that bracket reset game was anxiety inducing lmao
"PUERTO RICO PUERTO RICO"
Is still one of my favorite calls in Mahvel history
I love your videos Lobster!! Please make one documenting the rise of the GOAT Chris G from his Ametarasu team to the Godlike Morgan team! Please include that dude who tried to challenge him with no shirt when he won EVO 😂
Broooo the second your face popped up i thought chum from pawn stars was running this account lol
dude. I remember when you had 4k subscribers. good to see your channel doing well
0:57 first time watching ur content & im like “this dudes a relative of chumlee from Pawn Stars”
Mom papalobster dropped
Mom look, I found another unoriginal like and pinbaiting NPC commenter.
I never knew Viscant was a MvC champ. I always thought he was more in Street Fighter, because of LTG. Lol
This game is so dope. Easily one of the best
Another great one. I thought it was about RyanLV by title alone. Imo he solved phoenix in the new age with his Chun/Morrigan/Pheonix team. Being able to factor in time outs with THC infinites was so huge for Phoenix.
I fully agree with that. Probably the most optimal way to play Marvel 3
@@PapaLobsternah ZMC
the vest is the source of his powers
It was the Yuna staff
another banger papa great job
I remember thinking the team didn't make any sense to me at the time and how it seemed weaker than the other top tier teams. Boy was I wrong! What a great recap!
21:41 one of the best moments in Marvel history.
I would love to see a video like this for ryanLV especially since he was one of the last marvel champs before the parsec era and Marvel's major revival
can't wait to see an Infiltration video
Great video to watch before evo this year
That Tron grand finals bracket is the most hype mvc3 has ever been.
Was always a fan of Viscant.
I just found out today that LTG tried to callout a literal Evo Champion for skill of all people
Great vid as always. Like a few comments have said already, a ryan lv vid would be great as will highlihgt Chun also. Truly optimal team.
Why is there no mention of viscant's fleshlight review on SRK
8:05 Jean used to be SO BROKEN in Vanilla MVC3, but I loved every minute of it, and hated every nerf for her in UMVC3. That was an epic get-away by FChamp.
J was great at strategies and was a factor since Marvel 2 but unfortunately after the release of Ultimate MVC3 he was unable to really make any noise outside of a few tournaments in Santee. I would be so hype if him and Dios came out to play more!!!! Great video.
That tron moment although didn't lead to the result... as legendary
the fgc is such a hype community dude i used to love sf4 & mahvel back at these days
the vocal fry is a bit crazy
The ltg staredown is legendary.
Just saying, no one wrote Phoenix off. This game was only around for about 10 months. Everyone knew she was busted from the get-go.
The only thing keeping her from being literally everywhere is because Justin/PRRog/Combofiend refused to play her out of pride.
There were 8 phoenix players in the top 32. I was a phoenix player who got 33rd, and I played several phoenix mirrors to get there.
yooo sick vid and great story on viscant!
mentioned the gym in your unskippable ad. stick with 90% cardio 10% lifting until you get down to a healthy weight.
fat doesnt turn into muscle.
Excellent video as usual !
Boi took EVO then took LTG!!! What a champ!!!
Viscant was an fing scrub.. He was riding that dark Phoenix that nobody knew how to fight back in the day other than that he was your average Joe.
Don’t sleep on viscant love seeing that guy doing well
He then popped off the most spiteful popoff against Low Tier garbage and told him to go back to his McDs shift.
Mans walked away after not egen looking at the explosion.
This was all recorded and transcribed by Uncle Valle, the unclest of uncles in the FGC like that uncle character you watch from that one random anime who has a kickass story where he fought dieties of the FGC.
yess get that bag dawg i hope to see more videos soon
This is
Low
Tier's
Dad.
Viscant.
He had a legendary pop off vs LTG 😂
Suggestion: don't narrate over clips where there is commentary. It's hard to focus on what you're saying.
Another great vid though!
All hail the champ! Viscant needs to be in FGC HoF.
Man, it's so crazy to see official Mahvel 3 tourneys NOT being played on Wonderland or practice stage
kaneblue river vs. fchamp unbelievable comback
Loved the original MVC 3 what a time to watch tournament
didn't know chumlee made videos like this on youtube.