If it's ok with you I'm gonna watch this for the first time on Monday and react to it! You're content is always bomb so I'm really looking forward to it! =D
If only there are players like you.With this i mean that in every fighting game there are the top tier characters who everyone pick and make almost all the tournaments somewhat boring to watch,because you see the same characters over and over and over again.
My favorite part about IHeartJustice is simply how his team design process was like "hmm... Pheonix Wright... justice... How can I make this work?" and then became a top tier player with a neglected character
I know nothing about MvC but I love Ace Attorney. The fact that Wright's team went down 0-2 match point, made a wild comeback to get even, then got on the back foot in the final set, before barely pulling out a victory, not by knockout, but by an edge case rule, is just perfect Ace Attorney.
There's a whole video explaining how Phoenix Wright is perfectly designed to replicate the Ace Attorney story flow in Marvel gameplay. I think it's called Animation Excellence.
Dude when you hit the “captain America refuses to be scared, calmly steps forward and grabs dark pheonix” THEN HE JUST ENDS THE GAME NO REMORSE that shit was hype
There’s a legit hero vs villain parallelism in this match up. Both have the main goal of getting a character named Phoenix to their final form. One learning true justice and another embracing true darkness. Their assistance being protective shields and powerful blasts respectively. Both being used as set up to the Pheonix. With both being on opposite ends of the moral spectrum in their original source materials. Iheartjustice was the protag of the entire match from team selection alone.
even their positions and roles are reversed. Wright is on point and is played actively with his team while Jean is THE anchor and rarely helps her team
It’s like an actual ace attorney case where everyone helps protect Phoenix as he discovers the truth and gives the final blow. The enemy would end up using everything at their final point
One random thing I really enjoy about this is that you say what’s happening slightly before it happens rather than slightly afterwards as most narrated matches do. It makes it so much easier to tell what’s happening especially if you’re not that familiar with the game
I didn't even realize before you mentioned it. I guess what they say is true, if you do a good job, no one realizes because everything works as intended
3:10 Fun fact: IHeartJustice actually didn’t do this setup correctly. j.2H (the Objection) isn’t an Overhead, it hits Mid. Outside Turnabout mode, you’re supposed to do this setup using either 6M (Wright’s standing overhead), or an X-Factor cancel into a different jumping normal. But 6M causes a hard knockdown, and Maya’s still recovering from the super, so Wright doesn’t have access to her OTG specials. Without an OTG assist, all you can do is stance change into Order In The Court, and then you have to X-Factor cancel that to get an Objection off. I think IHeartJustice was betting FChamp knew Wright had an unblockable with Maya, but didn’t quite know how it worked, and did a fake version that let him get Turnabout mode without using his X-Factor. Had FChamp just blocked low, he would’ve been fine. The absolute audacity to hit an EVO champion with a fraudulent setup like this.
"instead of showing any fear, Captain America calmly walks up and grabs her" I just imagine a raid boss roars and C.A just says "Alright then." as he YEETS the living daylights out of the boss.
Something that rarely gets mentioned: Wright's items are only randomized after character select. Every rematch, he'll keep that pull order. If he pulls items too quickly, its best to go back to character select to reset the order, because if you don't he'll keep pulling them just as fast in the next game.
@@rubiks5659 Honestly, knowing champ, it's more likely he got a bit flustered. He'd often go to character select as a bit of a mental reset and to consider the switch to dorm. But he's very knowledgeable about the game, I'm quite sure he knows about it.
That's clearly not true; look at games three and four. As the voice over says, both players instantly rematch. Therefore, the items should be the same. What did he pull in game three? Three good evidence in a row, nothing else. Then, after that game, they immediately rematch. What does he pull in game four? Bad evidence, bad evidence, good evidence, good evidence, good evidence. I don't know where this urban legend came from, but it's not true.
Very good analysis. A nice thing about Charging Star is that it tracks the opponent, so if they jump over you when you call it, Captain America will actually turn around to hit them. Helps the "get off me" aspect of the assist. iHeartJustice really created a way to make Wright's gimmick playable, with Eye of Agamotto, and Charging Star to keep them away. Even if the most optimal way to play Wright is to play him second to avoid his gimmick at the 99 in the first place, his weakest point (See Raid aka The Last Jedi who beat FrankieG 3-0 recently at Texas Showdown 2022, Aonien, and WolfStreet back in the day), iHeartJustice put results on the table. Keep up the content!
As someone who used to play Phoenix Wright. This was always fun to do. I swear guys like IHeartJustice really showed what Wright can do if you put a team around him. Makes me wonder if he didn't get cut, what would he played like in TvC?
@@KazeShikamaru huh, that’s really interesting. I’m glad they figured it out for mvc3 cause he’s one of the most interesting characters by a long shot.
two things to note, in tournaments,, phoenix wright its not allowed to have the english voice, becauuse the hitbox of the OBJECTION bubble is a tiny bit bigger than the one in the japanese voice,, also iheartjustice comesback to the character selection sscreen to resset the NRG of the evidence
I thought they did make them the same size in this game, and the reason he wasn't in Tatsunoko vs Capcom was because they couldn't figure out how to make them the same size.
0:08 wait so if I understand this correctly; if someone in the losers bracket gets first place in the loser bracket. It then allows the losers bracket winner to fight the winners bracket winner in “the grand finals”? *(I’m Shortening “Losers Bracket Winner” to “LBW” from now on, same for “Winners Bracket Winner” to WBW)* Does this mean the LBW can win the entire tournament if he wins these so called “grand finals”? Leaving the loser of “grand finals” getting second place in the tournament overall even though he won the winners bracket? And if the LBW loses in the “grand finals” does he then get second place in the tournament over all? Seems pretty unfair to be honest… Like it screws over the people who were in the winners bracket, especially the loser of winners bracket finals. Like this is confusing to me on why they would do that. I would think that after the losers bracket has its final match, that’s it and depending on how they do it, they would either 1) get third and fourth place respectively in the tournament overall, or 2) be entirely separated with first and second place in losers bracket with its own lower prizes. Cause when it’s done that way it doesn’t screw over the people in the winners bracket who rightfully won their matches. But instead it seems they get screwed over by people in the losers bracket who lost a game, but then came back to get to these supposed “grand finals”. Which leads to the LBW at LEAST stealing second place from the loser of the winners bracket finals, or the LBW straight up winning the entire tournament. Which totally screws over the finalists of the winners bracket. Which to me just seems like total bullshit :/ If I’m wrong can someone explain it to me? Because normally from what I’ve seen there’s just losers bracket and winners bracket, where the winners bracket match results in 1st and second place overall, and then like I said earlier, the losers bracket is usually a separate thing entirely, or in some cases the loser bracket finalists get third and fourth place. But anyways so in my opinion, the two brackets being entirely separate is the correct way to do it. The way that it seems to be in the tournament in the video seems super unfair for the original finalists from the winners bracket, and seems to allow someone who had initially lost the tournament to then come back and steal the entire tournament, which is so unfair in my opinion. *I really hope that I’m just misunderstanding how it works, but this is how it sounded like to me. Can anyone explain to me how this tournaments grand finals work?*
Short answer: losers bracket winner has to beat winners bracket winner TWICE to win the whole tournament. The first win is called a "bracket reset" because it puts them on equal footing for the next set. Longer answer: the top of the tournament is played in a format called "double elimination". Each player can survive one defeat, but they're moved from winners bracket to losers bracket, and losing in losers bracket eliminates them. The winners bracket winner, having not lost before grand finals, still has two shots at victory versus the losers bracket winner's one remaining chance. It's considered "fair" since everyone is allowed one defeat; loser's bracket is just where everyone BUT winners bracket winner has to fight to face the guy that never lost. In practice there's no perfectly fair format, but double-elim finals is fair enough in concept while also being fun to watch and play.
Surprised this didn’t cover both fights since it was IHeartJustice that double eliminated him! IHJ played insanely well and it was incredible to watch him aggressively quiz F Champ on PW tech
0:08 wait so if I understand this correctly; if someone in the losers bracket gets first place in the loser bracket. It then allows the losers bracket winner to fight the winners bracket winner in “the grand finals”? *(I’m Shortening “Losers Bracket Winner” to “LBW” from now on, same for “Winners Bracket Winner” to WBW)* Does this mean the LBW can win the entire tournament if he wins these so called “grand finals”? Leaving the loser of “grand finals” getting second place in the tournament overall even though he won the winners bracket? And if the LBW loses in the “grand finals” does he then get second place in the tournament over all? Seems pretty unfair to be honest… Like it screws over the people who were in the winners bracket, especially the loser of winners bracket finals. Like this is confusing to me on why they would do that. I would think that after the losers bracket has its final match, that’s it and depending on how they do it, they would either 1) get third and fourth place respectively in the tournament overall, or 2) be entirely separated with first and second place in losers bracket with its own lower prizes. Cause when it’s done that way it doesn’t screw over the people in the winners bracket who rightfully won their matches. But instead it seems they get screwed over by people in the losers bracket who lost a game, but then came back to get to these supposed “grand finals”. Which leads to the LBW at LEAST stealing second place from the loser of the winners bracket finals, or the LBW straight up winning the entire tournament. Which totally screws over the finalists of the winners bracket. Which to me just seems like total bullshit :/ If I’m wrong can someone explain it to me? Because normally from what I’ve seen there’s just losers bracket and winners bracket, where the winners bracket match results in 1st and second place overall, and then like I said earlier, the losers bracket is usually a separate thing entirely, or in some cases the loser bracket finalists get third and fourth place. But anyways so in my opinion, the two brackets being entirely separate is the correct way to do it. The way that it seems to be in the tournament in the video seems super unfair for the original finalists from the winners bracket, and seems to allow someone who had initially lost the tournament to then come back and steal the entire tournament, which is so unfair in my opinion. *I really hope that I’m just misunderstanding how it works, but this is how it sounded like to me. Can anyone explain to me how this tournaments grand finals work?*
Man I love your channel, the brief summary of the teams at the start of your videos, with how you narrate the matches are so well put together. All the matches you do take me back to when I heard about the matches or when I was watching them with a group of friends and being hyped. Good stuffs dude.
I’m a complete beginner, and I played phoenix wright because of this video out of curiosity (phoenix wright, dante, haggar), and holy carpel tunnel this guy is amazing
I’ve always enjoyed MvC3 and understand the mechanics but felt lost during a lot of matches, your breakdowns really help me learn the game on a deeper level. Thank you for what you do!
Ah…the Iheartjustice era. Hood times. Good times. I kinda forgot that both phoenixes had similar game plans in terms of the entir team being devoted to charging theme up for. A short lived high risk super mode.
Bro I work almost every day all day in a kitchen and after three years I was running out of things to watch. You combine one of my favorite hobbies with great commentary and now I've got a whole catalog to watch.
Dude your videos are so awesome. Making videos about the random awesome runs/sets is always great but it being about MvC3 makes these uploads a highlight of the week every time. Especially because the in-depth analysis makes it easier to show to my friend that I've dragged into fighting games this year lol
I just recently got interested in MvC and this video is great for anyone to understand how this type of fighter game works. Perfectly explained and narrated this captivating story! Amazing work!
These are outstanding, i hope you keep making them. The events within the fgc itself are my favorite part of fighting games, and it's just not communicated by people looking at the games themselves. I got SO hype a while back when JMCrofts started doing fgc history videos and he said he would do a Bunch and then stopped after like 3. So i am SO happy to see Someone continuing to talk about this side of fighting game history. Please don't ever stop.
God, I never imagined the utter confusion of listening to this while you speak super fast about 2 different people each trying to kill a different character called Phoenix.
I don’t know if FChamp is playing a character or really like this (or both, usually the case) but he makes these stories fun. The braggadociously toxic champion with the ridiculously top tier team and the knowhow to make it work is the perfect setup for classic underdog stories like this, KBR, etc
Another great video! I was never into MvC before your videos because it was too hard to track everything, but you do a great job of explaining all the important elements! Looking forward to the next one
One cool thing I rarely see mentioned about phoenix wright-you can plink L and S to get evidence search (in the first slot) and Maya shield at the same time. You can see iheartjustice do it at 8:50.
Found your channel yesterday and have been going through your videos. Your videos are very fun to watch and I love seeing this type of content in the FGC. Keep it up, you'll for sure continue to grow
I was watching this while getting ready to run and I literally sat on my floor watching this as if I was there watching it live. Truly stupendous content man. I subscribed on your 3rd video hope all is well man.
Ya know I'm not the biggest fan of fchamp, but my man's put up a great fight. As soon as I heard it was iheartjustice or Javi I knew it was over. (for those of you who watch lythero) You'll know he has an AMAZING Videl in DBFZ so he's no stranger on capitalizing on terrible characters. This video was amazing thank you for talking about one of my favorite sets in marvel 3. Keep up the great work and stay awesome.
@@shinimaplayz7932 I guess you haven’t caught up with the patches, she’s REALLY good now, point or otherwise, she’s just not a good anchor and that’s it
Ive been watching these matches non stop before and getting to see your content helped me relive all those hype moments. Keep it up my guy! Hope we'll all get to see whats next for Mahvel and the fighting game community!
As someone whose enjoyed what I’ve seen of MvC but gets a little lost in all of the chaos, this was a fantastic breakdown of one of my favorite things in the FGC: underdog/obscure teams winning.
Marn vs Combofiend from Final Round XIV was one of my favorite old school mvc3 moments, would love to see an analysis of that game! I love your content man keep it up!
This was amazing normally when I watch umvc3 content I have no clue what's going on. When I watched jmcroft's video about IHeartJustice it seemed so one sided so it's definitely interesting to see a more level playing field and having you break it down was awesome. I hope to see more of these
6:54 one thing thats important is that phonix wright evidence is random after game start so by going back to charater select he is rerolling his evidence luck
If it's ok with you I'm gonna watch this for the first time on Monday and react to it! You're content is always bomb so I'm really looking forward to it! =D
Of course! Feel free to use any of my content for your stuff :)
The man himself, great match
@@BonusPokus kind words ty!
If only there are players like you.With this i mean that in every fighting game there are the top tier characters who everyone pick and make almost all the tournaments somewhat boring to watch,because you see the same characters over and over and over again.
Big fan Javi! It was a blast watching your matches!
My favorite part about IHeartJustice is simply how his team design process was like "hmm... Pheonix Wright... justice... How can I make this work?" and then became a top tier player with a neglected character
His whole thing is playing weird characters. He plays videl in Lythero’s dbfz videos for gods sake
@@mattgroening8872my favourite Dragon Ball character, Video
@@illford mb lol
@@mattgroening8872fr, Videl sweep.
As he has said himself, he knows alot about top tiers. Cause he plays none of them
I know nothing about MvC but I love Ace Attorney. The fact that Wright's team went down 0-2 match point, made a wild comeback to get even, then got on the back foot in the final set, before barely pulling out a victory, not by knockout, but by an edge case rule, is just perfect Ace Attorney.
Yeah that's perfect Phoenix Wright. The Turnabout King.
There's a whole video explaining how Phoenix Wright is perfectly designed to replicate the Ace Attorney story flow in Marvel gameplay. I think it's called Animation Excellence.
THATS WHAT YOU CALL A TURNABOUT!!!
SPOILERS
Dude when you hit the “captain America refuses to be scared, calmly steps forward and grabs dark pheonix” THEN HE JUST ENDS THE GAME NO REMORSE that shit was hype
Yeah, that sent chills down my spine.
“Did he just walk up slowly and down smash?” Moment
Best part is that I 100% see Cap doin somethin like that.
cap activated his "back in my day" card lmaoooo
Timerspan
There’s a legit hero vs villain parallelism in this match up.
Both have the main goal of getting a character named Phoenix to their final form. One learning true justice and another embracing true darkness.
Their assistance being protective shields and powerful blasts respectively. Both being used as set up to the Pheonix. With both being on opposite ends of the moral spectrum in their original source materials.
Iheartjustice was the protag of the entire match from team selection alone.
Fchamp's team is even exclusively made up of villians while all of the characters in Iheartjustice's team are heroes. Couldn't make this shit up lmao.
Holy shit that makes this even cooler bro
even their positions and roles are reversed. Wright is on point and is played actively with his team while Jean is THE anchor and rarely helps her team
It’s also cool how Phoenix Wright is a defense attorney and he play defensively
Isn't fchamps team all villains?
It’s like an actual ace attorney case where everyone helps protect Phoenix as he discovers the truth and gives the final blow. The enemy would end up using everything at their final point
Literally his team consists of 2 Marvel heroes and the opposite all villains.
@@donnycorn3086Maya marvel hero incoming
Not Phoenix, but that’s basically the end of the first Miles Edgeworth Investigations game.
9:58 “Captain America shows no fear, walks up to phoenix and grabs her” is the coldest line ever
“Did he just walk up slowly and downsmash?”
9:58 Captain America casually walking towards Phoenix to grab her and kill her it's one of the most badass and disrespectful things I have ever seen 😂
Did he walk up *slowly* and grab???
He really walked up to the most powerful being in the universe and snatched her weave
"Phoenix Install is my win condition."
-Both these MFers
One random thing I really enjoy about this is that you say what’s happening slightly before it happens rather than slightly afterwards as most narrated matches do. It makes it so much easier to tell what’s happening especially if you’re not that familiar with the game
I'm glad you enjoy it! It's such a fast paced game it can be intimidating for new viewers
I didn't even realize before you mentioned it. I guess what they say is true, if you do a good job, no one realizes because everything works as intended
3:10 Fun fact: IHeartJustice actually didn’t do this setup correctly. j.2H (the Objection) isn’t an Overhead, it hits Mid. Outside Turnabout mode, you’re supposed to do this setup using either 6M (Wright’s standing overhead), or an X-Factor cancel into a different jumping normal. But 6M causes a hard knockdown, and Maya’s still recovering from the super, so Wright doesn’t have access to her OTG specials. Without an OTG assist, all you can do is stance change into Order In The Court, and then you have to X-Factor cancel that to get an Objection off.
I think IHeartJustice was betting FChamp knew Wright had an unblockable with Maya, but didn’t quite know how it worked, and did a fake version that let him get Turnabout mode without using his X-Factor. Had FChamp just blocked low, he would’ve been fine.
The absolute audacity to hit an EVO champion with a fraudulent setup like this.
Bluffing? Phoenix Wright? Nah...
He got him with the skill check lol
@@phoenixwright784 Fits
@@phoenixwright784 that's perfect actually lmao
gotta expose them somehow.
"instead of showing any fear, Captain America calmly walks up and grabs her"
I just imagine a raid boss roars and C.A just says "Alright then." as he YEETS the living daylights out of the boss.
Great analysis of a match where both players are looking to supercharge their Phoenix!
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HA I get it
Something that rarely gets mentioned: Wright's items are only randomized after character select. Every rematch, he'll keep that pull order. If he pulls items too quickly, its best to go back to character select to reset the order, because if you don't he'll keep pulling them just as fast in the next game.
You think fchamp remembered this mid set and that's why he also went back to the character select screen?
@@rubiks5659 Honestly, knowing champ, it's more likely he got a bit flustered. He'd often go to character select as a bit of a mental reset and to consider the switch to dorm. But he's very knowledgeable about the game, I'm quite sure he knows about it.
I used to play against a Wright main every week at locals and didn't know this, I'm salty and it was like 10 years ago now dude 🤣
That's clearly not true; look at games three and four. As the voice over says, both players instantly rematch. Therefore, the items should be the same.
What did he pull in game three? Three good evidence in a row, nothing else. Then, after that game, they immediately rematch.
What does he pull in game four? Bad evidence, bad evidence, good evidence, good evidence, good evidence.
I don't know where this urban legend came from, but it's not true.
600TH LIKE :D
FChamp actually being a shitty person and getting whooped in all these stories gives me life
You should def watch FChamp vs KBR. Legendary moment of FChamp getting whooped for being toxic
I miss champ he made the FGC fun
Just an act bro
Let him do him who cares
@@cobaingrohlnovo It's the equivalent of someone in a wrestling match.
Imagine you are playing phoenix and you finally activate dark phoenix but there’s an X factored Turnabout Phoenix about to object your life.
Unironically probably the most terrifying thing you'll ever see on this game: A good Phoenix player.
“I can’t control it!”
“The one who actually committed the crime… is you!”
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@@TheOneWhoHasABadName"I can't control it!"
"Too late to plead to insanity, child."
The Doctors vs the Phoenixes vs the WWII veterans
after this match, FChamp went insane, literally never the same
Do tell
Yes do tell
@@A_Random_IRS_B0T_ I can understand why fchamp is a horrible human being just by how he behaves
What did he do?
What happened?
I think it's amazing that marvel still sees quality content like this 11 years later.
11?!
This channel along with Tampa Never Sleeps and RayRay
He said 2016
Marvel was an ERA and this is just a testament to that
@@JusRed48 well said 👏
3:15
OBJECTION!
Javi did a fantastic job in opening champ, but Air Objection is NOT an overhead, so he caught him with his pants down.
Very good analysis. A nice thing about Charging Star is that it tracks the opponent, so if they jump over you when you call it, Captain America will actually turn around to hit them. Helps the "get off me" aspect of the assist. iHeartJustice really created a way to make Wright's gimmick playable, with Eye of Agamotto, and Charging Star to keep them away. Even if the most optimal way to play Wright is to play him second to avoid his gimmick at the 99 in the first place, his weakest point (See Raid aka The Last Jedi who beat FrankieG 3-0 recently at Texas Showdown 2022, Aonien, and WolfStreet back in the day), iHeartJustice put results on the table. Keep up the content!
What is the gimmick?
@@who_m7315 collecting good evidence throughout the game to power up I assume
As someone who used to play Phoenix Wright. This was always fun to do. I swear guys like IHeartJustice really showed what Wright can do if you put a team around him. Makes me wonder if he didn't get cut, what would he played like in TvC?
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“If he didn’t get cut”
Was PW originally supposed to be in TvC? I don’t know much about the game.
@@ellis7622 Yeah he was. They couldn't figure out how to use the desk though.
@@KazeShikamaru huh, that’s really interesting. I’m glad they figured it out for mvc3 cause he’s one of the most interesting characters by a long shot.
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He’s really good!
How to beat Dark Phoenix:
Calmly walk up
YEET
0:00 I can't believe the REAL Spider-man was there!
Fchamp playing only antagonists/villains is so on character
I don't watch a lot of tournaments but Captain America's grab into super against Dark Phoenix was one of the greatest plays I have ever seen.
Who would have though I would see a lawyer throw hands against beings with superpowers and wins with the help of a super soldier and a magician
When it's Phoenix vs Phoenix but it's not a mirror match
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When that happens, P2 needs to turn into Edgeworth instead
two things to note, in tournaments,, phoenix wright its not allowed to have the english voice, becauuse the hitbox of the OBJECTION bubble is a tiny bit bigger than the one in the japanese voice,, also iheartjustice comesback to the character selection sscreen to resset the NRG of the evidence
Thats awesome to know, never knew that!
I thought they did make them the same size in this game, and the reason he wasn't in Tatsunoko vs Capcom was because they couldn't figure out how to make them the same size.
0:08 wait so if I understand this correctly; if someone in the losers bracket gets first place in the loser bracket. It then allows the losers bracket winner to fight the winners bracket winner in “the grand finals”?
*(I’m Shortening “Losers Bracket Winner” to “LBW” from now on, same for “Winners Bracket Winner” to WBW)*
Does this mean the LBW can win the entire tournament if he wins these so called “grand finals”? Leaving the loser of “grand finals” getting second place in the tournament overall even though he won the winners bracket? And if the LBW loses in the “grand finals” does he then get second place in the tournament over all? Seems pretty unfair to be honest… Like it screws over the people who were in the winners bracket, especially the loser of winners bracket finals.
Like this is confusing to me on why they would do that. I would think that after the losers bracket has its final match, that’s it and depending on how they do it, they would either 1) get third and fourth place respectively in the tournament overall, or 2) be entirely separated with first and second place in losers bracket with its own lower prizes.
Cause when it’s done that way it doesn’t screw over the people in the winners bracket who rightfully won their matches. But instead it seems they get screwed over by people in the losers bracket who lost a game, but then came back to get to these supposed “grand finals”. Which leads to the LBW at LEAST stealing second place from the loser of the winners bracket finals, or the LBW straight up winning the entire tournament. Which totally screws over the finalists of the winners bracket. Which to me just seems like total bullshit :/
If I’m wrong can someone explain it to me? Because normally from what I’ve seen there’s just losers bracket and winners bracket, where the winners bracket match results in 1st and second place overall, and then like I said earlier, the losers bracket is usually a separate thing entirely, or in some cases the loser bracket finalists get third and fourth place.
But anyways so in my opinion, the two brackets being entirely separate is the correct way to do it. The way that it seems to be in the tournament in the video seems super unfair for the original finalists from the winners bracket, and seems to allow someone who had initially lost the tournament to then come back and steal the entire tournament, which is so unfair in my opinion.
*I really hope that I’m just misunderstanding how it works, but this is how it sounded like to me. Can anyone explain to me how this tournaments grand finals work?*
Short answer: losers bracket winner has to beat winners bracket winner TWICE to win the whole tournament. The first win is called a "bracket reset" because it puts them on equal footing for the next set.
Longer answer: the top of the tournament is played in a format called "double elimination". Each player can survive one defeat, but they're moved from winners bracket to losers bracket, and losing in losers bracket eliminates them. The winners bracket winner, having not lost before grand finals, still has two shots at victory versus the losers bracket winner's one remaining chance. It's considered "fair" since everyone is allowed one defeat; loser's bracket is just where everyone BUT winners bracket winner has to fight to face the guy that never lost. In practice there's no perfectly fair format, but double-elim finals is fair enough in concept while also being fun to watch and play.
Surprised this didn’t cover both fights since it was IHeartJustice that double eliminated him! IHJ played insanely well and it was incredible to watch him aggressively quiz F Champ on PW tech
0:08 wait so if I understand this correctly; if someone in the losers bracket gets first place in the loser bracket. It then allows the losers bracket winner to fight the winners bracket winner in “the grand finals”?
*(I’m Shortening “Losers Bracket Winner” to “LBW” from now on, same for “Winners Bracket Winner” to WBW)*
Does this mean the LBW can win the entire tournament if he wins these so called “grand finals”? Leaving the loser of “grand finals” getting second place in the tournament overall even though he won the winners bracket? And if the LBW loses in the “grand finals” does he then get second place in the tournament over all? Seems pretty unfair to be honest… Like it screws over the people who were in the winners bracket, especially the loser of winners bracket finals.
Like this is confusing to me on why they would do that. I would think that after the losers bracket has its final match, that’s it and depending on how they do it, they would either 1) get third and fourth place respectively in the tournament overall, or 2) be entirely separated with first and second place in losers bracket with its own lower prizes.
Cause when it’s done that way it doesn’t screw over the people in the winners bracket who rightfully won their matches. But instead it seems they get screwed over by people in the losers bracket who lost a game, but then came back to get to these supposed “grand finals”. Which leads to the LBW at LEAST stealing second place from the loser of the winners bracket finals, or the LBW straight up winning the entire tournament. Which totally screws over the finalists of the winners bracket. Which to me just seems like total bullshit :/
If I’m wrong can someone explain it to me? Because normally from what I’ve seen there’s just losers bracket and winners bracket, where the winners bracket match results in 1st and second place overall, and then like I said earlier, the losers bracket is usually a separate thing entirely, or in some cases the loser bracket finalists get third and fourth place.
But anyways so in my opinion, the two brackets being entirely separate is the correct way to do it. The way that it seems to be in the tournament in the video seems super unfair for the original finalists from the winners bracket, and seems to allow someone who had initially lost the tournament to then come back and steal the entire tournament, which is so unfair in my opinion.
*I really hope that I’m just misunderstanding how it works, but this is how it sounded like to me. Can anyone explain to me how this tournaments grand finals work?*
Man I love your channel, the brief summary of the teams at the start of your videos, with how you narrate the matches are so well put together. All the matches you do take me back to when I heard about the matches or when I was watching them with a group of friends and being hyped. Good stuffs dude.
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Not much better than seeing Fchamp lose. Another banger vid! Still recommending Fanatiq vs RayRay grudge match!!
Your play by play is on point! Seeing this great match with a new appreciation for all the little details in how they were adapting back and forth.
I’m a complete beginner, and I played phoenix wright because of this video out of curiosity (phoenix wright, dante, haggar), and holy carpel tunnel this guy is amazing
I’ve always enjoyed MvC3 and understand the mechanics but felt lost during a lot of matches, your breakdowns really help me learn the game on a deeper level. Thank you for what you do!
This is incredible!! I’m so happy there’s a dedicated UMvC3 channel out here. Fantastic analysis
Ah…the Iheartjustice era. Hood times. Good times.
I kinda forgot that both phoenixes had similar game plans in terms of the entir team being devoted to charging theme up for. A short lived high risk super mode.
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What a story teller! Love your videos!
Bro I work almost every day all day in a kitchen and after three years I was running out of things to watch. You combine one of my favorite hobbies with great commentary and now I've got a whole catalog to watch.
YESS this is the exact set I was waiting for. goated channel
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Dude your videos are so awesome. Making videos about the random awesome runs/sets is always great but it being about MvC3 makes these uploads a highlight of the week every time.
Especially because the in-depth analysis makes it easier to show to my friend that I've dragged into fighting games this year lol
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Was about to suggest some IheartJustice content in your previous videos but here it is.
Thanks for this stuff sir.
I just recently got interested in MvC and this video is great for anyone to understand how this type of fighter game works. Perfectly explained and narrated this captivating story! Amazing work!
That match was a real Turnabout
I call this match The Turnabout Opposites
we loooove clowning on fchamp
Phoenix vs Phoenix, trully a battle for the ages
Man what throwbacks these videos have been. I'm seriously missing UMVC3 now 😭😭
These are outstanding, i hope you keep making them. The events within the fgc itself are my favorite part of fighting games, and it's just not communicated by people looking at the games themselves. I got SO hype a while back when JMCrofts started doing fgc history videos and he said he would do a Bunch and then stopped after like 3. So i am SO happy to see Someone continuing to talk about this side of fighting game history. Please don't ever stop.
This is the best content the fgc has to offer. Seriously.
Mad props.
Team games are always so cool for this
I always love that you can build a team for a weaker character and make it work
God, I never imagined the utter confusion of listening to this while you speak super fast about 2 different people each trying to kill a different character called Phoenix.
Thank you for making these videos
I fucking love these videos. If only marvel 3 could get rollback
I don’t know if FChamp is playing a character or really like this (or both, usually the case) but he makes these stories fun. The braggadociously toxic champion with the ridiculously top tier team and the knowhow to make it work is the perfect setup for classic underdog stories like this, KBR, etc
Thabks for breaking this one down. It was absolutely memorable when it happened and beautiful to see the nostalgia broken down.
DID HE JUST WALK UP AND GRAB!?
Another great video! I was never into MvC before your videos because it was too hard to track everything, but you do a great job of explaining all the important elements! Looking forward to the next one
Captain America walking calmly towards Dark Phoenix is something that needs to be in a movie
I've never played this game but it's always great to watch with it's super fast pace and combo/technique applications.
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"instead of showing any fear, Captain America calmly walks up and grabs her"
that line has "did he just walk up slowly... and down smash?" energy
It’s also peak Captain America. Godlike being of unlimited power and destruction? Just beats it up with good ol’ American muscle.
POG The exact set I requested!
One cool thing I rarely see mentioned about phoenix wright-you can plink L and S to get evidence search (in the first slot) and Maya shield at the same time. You can see iheartjustice do it at 8:50.
I thinks is IheartJustice ufffffffffff
It’s great living through these days and seeing the notoriety these sets deserved
Found your channel yesterday and have been going through your videos. Your videos are very fun to watch and I love seeing this type of content in the FGC. Keep it up, you'll for sure continue to grow
Woah, i remember iheartjustice beat fchump , but this set I didn’t see before, thats a great surprise
I was watching this while getting ready to run and I literally sat on my floor watching this as if I was there watching it live. Truly stupendous content man. I subscribed on your 3rd video hope all is well man.
So he’s covered:
iHeartJustice
Kusoru
Abegen
Unknown (feat. Senior Taxi)
KBR
PapaLobster is popping off!
I’m subbing for sure!
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every mvc3 video "how used a low tier/unique team to beat fchamp"
Ya know I'm not the biggest fan of fchamp, but my man's put up a great fight. As soon as I heard it was iheartjustice or Javi I knew it was over. (for those of you who watch lythero) You'll know he has an AMAZING Videl in DBFZ so he's no stranger on capitalizing on terrible characters. This video was amazing thank you for talking about one of my favorite sets in marvel 3. Keep up the great work and stay awesome.
Videl isn’t terrible by any means, what are you talking about?
@@tearitup5864 With the right team synergy she's good and a good point.
@@tearitup5864 He was a Day 1 Videl main and she USED to suck balls
@@shinimaplayz7932 I guess you haven’t caught up with the patches, she’s REALLY good now, point or otherwise, she’s just not a good anchor and that’s it
@@inaccurateprophecy8971 oh yes definitely, when she first came out in S2, she was horrendous
Honestly, this has become my favourite fighting game related channel, and is fast becoming my favourite channel
Ive been watching these matches non stop before and getting to see your content helped me relive all those hype moments. Keep it up my guy! Hope we'll all get to see whats next for Mahvel and the fighting game community!
The villan of mvc3.
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i love this channel. 10/10 commentary.
i love how you explain every detail about the game for all the friends i'll never show this to
As someone whose enjoyed what I’ve seen of MvC but gets a little lost in all of the chaos, this was a fantastic breakdown of one of my favorite things in the FGC: underdog/obscure teams winning.
this video is so dope that even though i dont even play this game, ive watched it at least 5 times already. thanks dude.
Wright is my favorite character in the game, glad to see somebody doing him "justice"
I guess my favorite memory is GamerBee's Adon besting Justin Wong after the latter thrash talking about the character. Great video, full of insight.
Well made video, explains everything really well for viewers that are not familiar with the game and yet the characters. Keep it up
Very clearly presented. I love your channel!
Javi had the power of Ross and anime on his side that night.
That wasn’t Phoenix Wright in this match, that was Saul Goodman.
omg, i just realized why i recognized iheartjustice, i know him by lythero videos, how cool
goddamn I love these videos. The matches you choose are amazing and your analysis is spot on, keep it up
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Honey WAKE UP. PapaLobster just posted a video
10:01 the way he wlaked up SLOWLY is actually insane the end lag on pheonix x factor is crazy.
great vid, loved the analysis
This is such a sweet channel. I've been loving these videos.
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Marn vs Combofiend from Final Round XIV was one of my favorite old school mvc3 moments, would love to see an analysis of that game! I love your content man keep it up!
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Great great video! Found myself back watching it again
This has to be the greatest match of MvC3 ever. Absolutely incredible
This was amazing normally when I watch umvc3 content I have no clue what's going on. When I watched jmcroft's video about IHeartJustice it seemed so one sided so it's definitely interesting to see a more level playing field and having you break it down was awesome. I hope to see more of these
Subscribed because phoenix found evidence lol that was a nice touch. Good videos
When i hear the name of Iheartjustice
Others: Wow, the best Phoenix Wright
Me: IT'S PRIDE MONTH, but power tho...
Srsly loving this vids 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻, keep up the great work!
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6:54 one thing thats important is that phonix wright evidence is random after game start so by going back to charater select he is rerolling his evidence luck
I just wanted to tell you that your content is great.
Thanks!! It means a lot coming from you! I've loved your commentary and how much you have done for your community
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Solid edits and great pacing it was like watching the match live for the first time.
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