As a new S1 owner, I’d say this is a fair assessment of the camera. I shoot portraits and weddings and it’s working out great! I wouldn’t choose this system (as of yet) if I were tracking sports, etc. This does not mean C-AF is worthless. I tracked couples walking down the aisle of a dark church today with no issues. Of course, they aren’t zig zagging like crazy and speeding up and slowing down. I can tell you that the camera feels GREAT and the controls are placed just right. For battery life there are a variety of power saving modes and for long shooting like I do you will want to experiment with those.
I know one thing.That camera is built like a damn tank,like you can hit muggers with it,hammer some nails,and keep shooting pictures.I am just keeping an eye on it until I am ready for another camera.
It is so very important for any photographer to determine their priorities they will incur regarding their shooting habits and styles. That said in MY case continuous focus has never been an issue. Having been a professional wedding photographer years ago, and now sticking to Real Estate, Portraits and Landscapes I'm finding, after having already worked with the Nikon, Sony and Canon offerings, this S1 is literally made for me. Superior build, better EVF, more useful feature sets and ergonomics you simply fall in love with. I know there are so very many reviewers and potential owners that will push this camera aside due to it's DFD, but in some ways I'm finding it so darn fast and accurate for my style of shooting I can't imagine a Hybrid for what I do any further. As I say each shooter needs to evaluate their priorities, but if they primarily shoot relatively slow or still subjects this camera WILL capture your heart.
Really??? using a 24-105 f4 for weddings, real estate and landscapes??? It couldn't be much worse of a selection of a lens... At least go out and get an adapter and use some decent canon lenses that are suited for the tasks at hand!
@@mallred4347 I have no idea where you come up with these bombastic statements that are indeed absurd the lens does a fine job so far for all purposes needed so go by your Canon lenses in the enjoy
After owning my S1 for a couple of weeks now, I can agree with almost everything said here. The continuous AF in my experience has been very reliable, I shoot a lot of cars and racing and it tracks them perfectly.
I love the S1 and all but honestly im falling DEEPLY in love with Canada's landscapes. The Calgary area where you guys always shoot and the places you go to. Absolutely breathtaking scenes.
I wonder how the Sasquatch tracking is, pics of it NEVER come out clean. That would be the selling point for me. I mean really, how many dinosaurs will I come across ?
In fairness they're just getting in ahead of some mad scientist out there who's probably making a T-Rex right now... No-one would believe it without sharp photos...
@@bernhardtsen74 If the continuous AF in video is like my GH5 then it'll probably go off and focus elsewhere at some-point. Still hopefully any monster lizards will appear in Japan, as is traditional, so the Japanese will have all the kit handy and I can nip down the pub in safety while they try it out...
I have bought the S1, and it's a really nice camera to use. The ergonomics, EVF and fun factor is great. It also feels lighter than it looks, oddly as it is heavy. The autofocus is not as bad as people make out, it does miss things but the focus tracking does work if you set the camera up right and (a) get the camera to lock on at the start and (b) the subject is not too far away (e.g. about 40ft+). It does lose focus from about a meter out. I have put it through its paces to test it, using my children running, jumping and doing all sort of things to fool the system! Coming from a Canon 1DXii (and Sony A9), it's definitely not in the same league as either of these cameras. But, it's not as terrible as people are reporting. Bottom line is the AF is good enough for most normal applications, but it you shoot sport or wildlife, then avoid it (it's not marketed as this sort of camera anyway).
I tried this camera at my local store. The ergonomics are great and the single shot autofocus was instantaneous even in the somewhat poorly lit store. People need to stop complaining about not being able to use tracking to photograph their kids running around. Instead they need to work on their technique and not rely 100% on automation. I photograph my 5 year old running in the park and around the house with my manual focus Leica M240 with a pretty high hit rate, even at f2. Not because I’m good, but because I practiced a lot and learned about focus traps, hyper focal distances and other terms unknown to modern enthusiasts.
To photograph our radio controlled model planes flying, we shoot 4K 60fps video and grab frames from the footage, most of which people cannot tell from actual still shots. If you want pics of fast moving subjects, in particular those with random trajectory changes, (kids, birds etc), just shoot video and grab frames. Works for me even on my Samsung Galaxy Note 9 or our iPhone 8. Best use manual focus with a decent depth of field to keep the shots in focus.
the problem with the lighter, more compact full frames is that the lenses are as big & heavy as they always have been, that makes them feel unbalanced IMHO. i couldn't be happier with my G9 - great controls, viewfinder, & balance
Me too: Camera reviews is all I watch from Chris & Jordan. (And occasionally a lens review). But of course I watch camera reviews from other people as well. Maarten Heilbron for example. Come to think of it, he's Canadian too. Any significance, I wonder?
Janne Ranta. I am not the only one to think that, then. The Panasonic contrast detection was the reason I chose the Olympus EM1 and EM1 mark II over the Panasonic equivalent cameras. I also preferred the Olympus PRO series lenses.
Sounds to me like the G9 is still Panasonics best overall stills camera if you don't need ultra low light performance or ultra shallow depth of field. Continous Autofocus is actually quite good on the G9. Stabilization and rolling shutter also performs better.
@@fellowcitizen I don't doubt the AF is adequate but I doubt better than the G9. The G9 is not perfect and misses focus sometimes too. S1 still has a few pros over the G9 other than the bigger sensor. Personally for me the G9 is better for the price, size and my uses. But certainly either camera is very good in different ways.
@@timberwolves100 They'd be great to pair together. I've specifically heard a few times now that the S1 AF system exceeds the G9, but it's early days so it may not be accurate, and probably doesn't differ much. The G9 was apparently noticeably better than the GH5. Logically, I'm baffled that anyone could consider the S1 to be anything less than brilliant, but politically, I recognise that there are a lot of fanboys and paid trolls muddying the waters.
@@fellowcitizen I'm definitely not one of those trolls and try to be fair. I know you weren't implying that. I've not used the S1 personally and can't give an honest comparison. Just going on numerous autofocus tests I've seen in YT videos, it seems a bit sluggish. But that can always vary depending on the situation.
@@timberwolves100 Definitely not implying that :) Yeah, I'm not bothered even if the G9 AF is better. In large part I'll be using Voigtlaender 35mm f/1.2 and Zeiss M 50mm f/2 manual lenses anyway. I realise that AF can be a big deal for some purposes, but I find I can get by with the X-Pro1 AF quite happily most of the time - even with the original XF35F1.4 So I'm satisfied that it'll be sufficient ;) The complaints are a bit like those one might hear about a Bronze-medallist failing to win Gold - it's got to be kept in proportion.
I’m getting the S1R most likely. Both are lovely cameras though and I love the mount. It’s nice having the option of some nice Leica glass if I want to pay up for it.
Gorgeous image quality, but it's a shame about the lack of phase detect AF. That's not really a deal breaker for me though, because, as a Pentax shooter, I'm used to sticking to single point AF and using some old-fashioned techniques to get a good hit rate on my shots. Also, my shooting style is fairly slow and steady, and I don't tend to run and gun, so I don't suppose I'd really care about the shortcomings of the DFD system too much. What really rules it out for me is the price tag, and lack of lenses, and I'm sure most people would feel the same. This is nothing that we didn't know before this camera was even released, but it's nice to see such great image quality, ergonomics and UI, so it's not completely D.O.A. and may work for some people (with fairly deep pockets).
I'm curious how the S1 is for landscape and astrophotography (nightscapes). Everything I'm reading seems to point to this camera being great for astrophotos. I'm hoping the multishot can work well for landscape. Any thoughts? Feedback?
"Life finds a way...." Awesome. :-) I'm firmly in the Panasonic m43 camp. But if I was to go back to FF, one of these Panasonics would do it. Most likely, the S1R. Okay, so video AF isn't as good as the best. And still needs work. I have to say, I admire Panasonic for sticking to their guns. It would be easy to say "Let's just do PD and make everyone happy". Even with the 'inferior' AF, GH5 and GH5s still are the best selling Indie and small production video cameras. So good for them. Panasonic knocked it out of the park with these cameras. Keep up the good work DPR and Panasonic!
Reasons to wait: 1. The lens choices will only get better. 2. You know there are firmware fixes coming. 3. You get to know the price of the video firmware upgrades BEFORE you buy the camera.
@@WildBikerBill + 4. Excessive rolling shutter 5. AF speed 6. AF tracking speed and accuracy 7. Low bit-rate video (150 or 72 for HLG) 8. 60P video has big crop Pros: The ibis is FANTASTIC, better than my Nikon z6 (and Sony)
One reason why I'm never switching to Sony is because of the colours, although they have improved the colour science a lot with what they said in the newer models, I just can't switch to them because they did not have the pedigree. For my uses, the S1 might be the camera for me because I like to shoot street scenes in low light which helps by having less megapixels when compared to the S1R and I would like to do some landscapes occasionally.
Hey guys.. it would be amazing if you could do a follow up review with the Panasonic S1 post the firmware update that brings in 6K internal, Prores RAW external and the other changes. A comparison of the updated S1 against the S1H and S5 with all the new goodies in place would be incredible
A great and fair review with lots of useful insights and comparisons, mixed with a calm and friendly presentation and a couple of great laughs. It simply cannot be done better than this, guys. Thank you :-) P.S.: Would have loved to see some parts of the review filmed inside the little church, but I guess there are no macro lenses for the S1 yet?
Great job on this, perfect overview as always. Jordan glossed over something I don't understand though I think he said there is no audio in 25 or 30p slow mo so it's not a problem to fix in post. What did he mean by rhat?
It's easy to re-time the 180fps recorded at 30P to 24P in editing software. Since no audio is captured in High Framerate mode, there's no drawback to conforming in post.
@@thatjordandrake Thanks JD, I edit a lot for my channel but it's not Advanced editing so some of those technicalities I've never delved into before. Good looking out
I had a good play with this camera at the NEC Photography show and fell in love with the feel and layout, it just felt perfect as soon as I picked it up but its just the continuous focus that let it down and I love to track subjects like a bride walking down the isle etc. The Sony A7iii slaughters it in this regard, shame as the S1 is a beautiful system.
@@sarfaraz.hosseini Apparently much of it can be resolved if you tell the camera which AF mode and responsiveness you want, not just point and shoot and expect it to know what your priorities are. This is the basic take-away from early users, AF problems are overblown and AF has lots of customization options. See ruclips.net/video/hI2nzCuHkms/видео.html
There are rumors floating around that the S1 has in-camera exposure ramping for time lapse nark to light, for example. Is it true there is an exposure ramping function?
Was this shot in like 709 or HLG? The image quality of just this YT video is incredible! Also, what kind(s) of mic(s) did you use? It sounds super close and I don't see any lavs. Love the review btw. Thanks!
Have mine for a few days and do not regret it. I don't depend on continuous autofocus. The quality of the images is superb. And in spite of the weight, the ergonomics, the feel, the customization are amazing.
Thanks Chris for the review. Bought that camera 2 weeks ago and still not 100% sure if that was right choice. Shooting kids portrait sometimes in action and landscapes. Would S1R have better AF performance ? I found AF in S1 to struggle when shooting in contra lighting conditions (Light behind the object) and not great when kids are moving. Still have chance to swap :) Should I go with S1R or maybe Sony A7IIIR ? Only think is I would miss built and feel of Lumix S serious it's best I ever experienced but... photography is not about that :) thanks for your advice
Wow, really appreciate your video! Only your video lets me know Vlog color will be back! Because Vlog color is so good and convenient to color grade for me! Plus, how much is it? Same with Vlog in gh5?
Great video as always guys. I was wondering if you had any info on why the S1 focus peaking during video dims significantly as soon as the record button is pressed. I installed the v1.5 firmware in the vain hope that this glitch would be addressed. Alas, no. It still gets super dim even with sensitivity turned all the way up during recording. I read on a forum somewhere that other S1 users have had similar complaints and that, oddly, it isn't an issue on the S1H. What gives? I love my S1 but this is annoying. Do I have a faulty body? It's a real pain when trying to use vintage lenses and manually focus. Advice please!!!
I understand this camera has focus peaking and would like to know if it works well. By that I mean only comes on as various parts of a scene come into exact focus, not start coming on when it's miles out of focus, Leica M Monochrom gets it right, and Sony A7Rll does it very well. Focus peaking is brilliant to use with manual focus lenses, such setting up a tilt-shift lens.
In my opinion, this is the best 35mm system for back country landscape photography and that is how Lumix should market it. Dual card slots are a must and the build quality/ weather sealing blows Sony away. No point in cluttering the sensor with PDAF points when you don't need AF. The viewfinder is incredible and the IS is great for fleeting moments like rainbows, landscapes with wildlife in the frame etc where there's no time for the tripod. This obviously isn't a sports/ wildlife camera, but cameras don't need to be everything to everyone. I've been using my S1 for about a month and it suits my needs far better than the Fuji X or Sony A series.
@@BJJandBS agreed, except for the single card slots. I have had a single card fail after a 5 day trip and that was pretty devastating. Granted, the Nikon Z is running XQDs but those fail too. For me, that's a dealbreaker. An extra pound in an 80 pound pack is negligeable if the purpose of the trip is photography.
I had a hands on come and try the LUMIX s series camera with the local sales chaps in Adelaide Australia.. For 4 hours we tried most of the settings.. Lovely images and fun to use.. And it's heavy.. Darn Heavy hand was getting numb as the grip is too slim for my hand. Also the 70-200 lens is the pic for image quality for me anyway.
Great review! One thing: No banding because of DFD? I thought banding is related to silent shutter use and rolling shutter. Anyway, how does the camera work banding-wise in stills? Thanks.
Banding is related to PDAF sensors, which actually sit on top of the image sensor and under unusual lighting conditions show up as stripes across the image. This isn't an issue with the Panasonic cameras because they use DFD, a contrast based focusing system reliant only on the image sensor.
NIce review, Chris and Jordan! As a landscape and product photographer (stills only), I had considered the S1R (and the Nikon Z7), that is, until I read about the "High Resolution Mode" of these two Lumix cameras! In this mode, the S1 can output something like a 98MB RAW file, which is way more than I need, even for large 30" x 40" prints. Thus, I cannot justify the extra cost for the S1R, despite its' larger native resolution sensor. Coming from a Fuji X-T3, I think I will see a major difference in overall image quality from even the 24MB FF system, don't you agree? (Not that I wasn't obtaining very sharp results from the X-T3...just for large prints I think the difference would be noticable. Thanks!
Hi guys, I really enjoy the reviews. I was wondering if you have ever heard of Meike lens, I think they are a new company but they are meant to make lens comparable to Veydra. The best part seems to be at a fraction of the price. Could you some advice on these lens ? Cheers Ed.
Hey guys. Looking at returning to photography, my last was a D7000. I was curious to know if the auto focus on this, while not as good as the A7iii, is going to be better than the traditional D7000 purely through age?
Thanks for the detailed review! Pana did an awesome job on these new FF cameras but I´m still not convinced to jump ship on mirrorless full frame yet. I´m holding out to see what Canon is coming up with next (hopefully we see a pro R in the near future)
You relived my 11 year old road trip my mom took us on. Hoodos, followed by that blue bridge, and the little church heh. We also hiked to the big Jesus statue. (oviously did the Drumheller things)
Most people who love Panasonic, like me, love them for their handling, ergonomics, features and buttons. But at this moment in time, I'd rather have GH5 + battery grip, + Olympus Pro lenses with a manual focus clutch and f1.2.... Which I do. Thanks for the video gentlemen. Loved it.
As a new S1 owner, I’d say this is a fair assessment of the camera. I shoot portraits and weddings and it’s working out great! I wouldn’t choose this system (as of yet) if I were tracking sports, etc. This does not mean C-AF is worthless. I tracked couples walking down the aisle of a dark church today with no issues. Of course, they aren’t zig zagging like crazy and speeding up and slowing down. I can tell you that the camera feels GREAT and the controls are placed just right. For battery life there are a variety of power saving modes and for long shooting like I do you will want to experiment with those.
I know one thing.That camera is built like a damn tank,like you can hit muggers with it,hammer some nails,and keep shooting pictures.I am just keeping an eye on it until I am ready for another camera.
Steve Vansak Panasonic offers firmware update program for S1 in end of 2020. They promise to improve AF working at the same level as S5 has!
Nowadays watching DPReview TV is like watching DigitalRev TV in the Kai Wong days, only a bit more chilled and analytical (so essentially....better)
Much better.
A bit less funny though 😄
I've been away too long, thought this was digitalrev. wow!
It is so very important for any photographer to determine their priorities they will incur regarding their shooting habits and styles. That said in MY case continuous focus has never been an issue. Having been a professional wedding photographer years ago, and now sticking to Real Estate, Portraits and Landscapes I'm finding, after having already worked with the Nikon, Sony and Canon offerings, this S1 is literally made for me. Superior build, better EVF, more useful feature sets and ergonomics you simply fall in love with. I know there are so very many reviewers and potential owners that will push this camera aside due to it's DFD, but in some ways I'm finding it so darn fast and accurate for my style of shooting I can't imagine a Hybrid for what I do any further. As I say each shooter needs to evaluate their priorities, but if they primarily shoot relatively slow or still subjects this camera WILL capture your heart.
Don't you need lenses?
@@mallred4347 the 24-105 is a delight and all I require right now
Freaking love mine. Would not trade it for anything else
Really??? using a 24-105 f4 for weddings, real estate and landscapes??? It couldn't be much worse of a selection of a lens... At least go out and get an adapter and use some decent canon lenses that are suited for the tasks at hand!
@@mallred4347 I have no idea where you come up with these bombastic statements that are indeed absurd the lens does a fine job so far for all purposes needed so go by your Canon lenses in the enjoy
After owning my S1 for a couple of weeks now, I can agree with almost everything said here. The continuous AF in my experience has been very reliable, I shoot a lot of cars and racing and it tracks them perfectly.
I love the S1 and all but honestly im falling DEEPLY in love with Canada's landscapes. The Calgary area where you guys always shoot and the places you go to. Absolutely breathtaking scenes.
You obviously haven't seen the grand tour special in Mongolia
@@MichaelTapel Oh i have. And yes i agree their route to Mürün is WAAAAAAAY more beautiful than Calgary is.
Well even if the AF isn't great, at least I can track a dinosaur if I find it.
I wonder how the Sasquatch tracking is, pics of it NEVER come out clean. That would be the selling point for me. I mean really, how many dinosaurs will I come across ?
instead of music, you should use Chris' singing in every video from now
This was Chris singing? I thought it was directly taken out from a music CD!
It'll never sell a million albums.
1940's: We'll have flying cars
2019: Dinosaur Auto Focus
Edit: lol Thanks everyone for the comments and likes
2040: mirrorless hollowed out for iso 100 film with manuel focus only!
2024: Panasonic S3 with phase defect AF
In fairness they're just getting in ahead of some mad scientist out there who's probably making a T-Rex right now... No-one would believe it without sharp photos...
@@JonInLondon then the real Jurassic Park documentary will be shot on the S1 camera! and we all said they would do it back in 2019!
@@bernhardtsen74 If the continuous AF in video is like my GH5 then it'll probably go off and focus elsewhere at some-point. Still hopefully any monster lizards will appear in Japan, as is traditional, so the Japanese will have all the kit handy and I can nip down the pub in safety while they try it out...
1:42 The origin of the iconic "Jordan Crying in Fetal Position" ....
I have bought the S1, and it's a really nice camera to use. The ergonomics, EVF and fun factor is great. It also feels lighter than it looks, oddly as it is heavy. The autofocus is not as bad as people make out, it does miss things but the focus tracking does work if you set the camera up right and (a) get the camera to lock on at the start and (b) the subject is not too far away (e.g. about 40ft+). It does lose focus from about a meter out. I have put it through its paces to test it, using my children running, jumping and doing all sort of things to fool the system! Coming from a Canon 1DXii (and Sony A9), it's definitely not in the same league as either of these cameras. But, it's not as terrible as people are reporting. Bottom line is the AF is good enough for most normal applications, but it you shoot sport or wildlife, then avoid it (it's not marketed as this sort of camera anyway).
Hey Mark, thanks for the autofocus comment. Since you've had both the sony and the S1 how does the sensor dust compare on these two cameras?
I tried this camera at my local store. The ergonomics are great and the single shot autofocus was instantaneous even in the somewhat poorly lit store. People need to stop complaining about not being able to use tracking to photograph their kids running around. Instead they need to work on their technique and not rely 100% on automation. I photograph my 5 year old running in the park and around the house with my manual focus Leica M240 with a pretty high hit rate, even at f2. Not because I’m good, but because I practiced a lot and learned about focus traps, hyper focal distances and other terms unknown to modern enthusiasts.
To photograph our radio controlled model planes flying, we shoot 4K 60fps video and grab frames from the footage, most of which people cannot tell from actual still shots. If you want pics of fast moving subjects, in particular those with random trajectory changes, (kids, birds etc), just shoot video and grab frames. Works for me even on my Samsung Galaxy Note 9 or our iPhone 8. Best use manual focus with a decent depth of field to keep the shots in focus.
Yet another excellent review guys! Thank you for your hard work!
been loving my S1 and I shoot music and live events. More of a single AF type of guy and it works super well for that.
you guys are hands down my favorite reviewers :)
Just grabbed an Panasonic S1 and I’m really enjoying it , also the intro was hilarious 😂
the problem with the lighter, more compact full frames is that the lenses are as big & heavy as they always have been, that makes them feel unbalanced IMHO. i couldn't be happier with my G9 - great controls, viewfinder, & balance
I only watch camera reviews from Chris and Jordan
I'll occasionally watch other reviews if I need to make a buying decision, but I watch every Chris/Jordan video for pure entertainment.
Me too: Camera reviews is all I watch from Chris & Jordan.
(And occasionally a lens review).
But of course I watch camera reviews from other people as well. Maarten Heilbron for example. Come to think of it, he's Canadian too. Any significance, I wonder?
Like Chris said, I think the S1R makes a lot more sense for most use cases I could see this combination of features being desired.
...and the Oscar goes to 1:53
Good that you dont skip over the autofocus shortcomings. Other videos I've seen either skip them completely or downplay them.
Janne Ranta. I am not the only one to think that, then. The Panasonic contrast detection was the reason I chose the Olympus EM1 and EM1 mark II over the Panasonic equivalent cameras. I also preferred the Olympus PRO series lenses.
LITERALLY the best opening yet 😂😂
I love Jordan, he doesn’t smile, sugarcoat, or glad hand. He just gives it to you like it is straight up!
Nice job! Sorry to hear about the AF.
Pretty fair, guys! That's why I love what you do so much!!!
Sounds to me like the G9 is still Panasonics best overall stills camera if you don't need ultra low light performance or ultra shallow depth of field. Continous Autofocus is actually quite good on the G9. Stabilization and rolling shutter also performs better.
Several reports that the S1 exceeds the G9 AF. Although the acquisition in AF-S is not as fast due to the larger sensor (0.08s vs 0.04s I believe.)
@@fellowcitizen I don't doubt the AF is adequate but I doubt better than the G9. The G9 is not perfect and misses focus sometimes too. S1 still has a few pros over the G9 other than the bigger sensor. Personally for me the G9 is better for the price, size and my uses. But certainly either camera is very good in different ways.
@@timberwolves100 They'd be great to pair together. I've specifically heard a few times now that the S1 AF system exceeds the G9, but it's early days so it may not be accurate, and probably doesn't differ much. The G9 was apparently noticeably better than the GH5.
Logically, I'm baffled that anyone could consider the S1 to be anything less than brilliant, but politically, I recognise that there are a lot of fanboys and paid trolls muddying the waters.
@@fellowcitizen I'm definitely not one of those trolls and try to be fair. I know you weren't implying that. I've not used the S1 personally and can't give an honest comparison. Just going on numerous autofocus tests I've seen in YT videos, it seems a bit sluggish. But that can always vary depending on the situation.
@@timberwolves100 Definitely not implying that :)
Yeah, I'm not bothered even if the G9 AF is better. In large part I'll be using Voigtlaender 35mm f/1.2 and Zeiss M 50mm f/2 manual lenses anyway.
I realise that AF can be a big deal for some purposes, but I find I can get by with the X-Pro1 AF quite happily most of the time - even with the original XF35F1.4 So I'm satisfied that it'll be sufficient ;) The complaints are a bit like those one might hear about a Bronze-medallist failing to win Gold - it's got to be kept in proportion.
Congrats on your DPR anniversary
Thanks Joe!
You and Jordan are probably the top 10 looking in the whole town 😃😃😃
I’m getting the S1R most likely. Both are lovely cameras though and I love the mount. It’s nice having the option of some nice Leica glass if I want to pay up for it.
Gorgeous image quality, but it's a shame about the lack of phase detect AF. That's not really a deal breaker for me though, because, as a Pentax shooter, I'm used to sticking to single point AF and using some old-fashioned techniques to get a good hit rate on my shots. Also, my shooting style is fairly slow and steady, and I don't tend to run and gun, so I don't suppose I'd really care about the shortcomings of the DFD system too much.
What really rules it out for me is the price tag, and lack of lenses, and I'm sure most people would feel the same. This is nothing that we didn't know before this camera was even released, but it's nice to see such great image quality, ergonomics and UI, so it's not completely D.O.A. and may work for some people (with fairly deep pockets).
I'm curious how the S1 is for landscape and astrophotography (nightscapes). Everything I'm reading seems to point to this camera being great for astrophotos. I'm hoping the multishot can work well for landscape. Any thoughts? Feedback?
I wish you guys did the video in HDR!
"Life finds a way...." Awesome. :-)
I'm firmly in the Panasonic m43 camp. But if I was to go back to FF, one of these Panasonics would do it. Most likely, the S1R.
Okay, so video AF isn't as good as the best. And still needs work. I have to say, I admire Panasonic for sticking to their guns. It would be easy to say "Let's just do PD and make everyone happy". Even with the 'inferior' AF, GH5 and GH5s still are the best selling Indie and small production video cameras. So good for them.
Panasonic knocked it out of the park with these cameras. Keep up the good work DPR and Panasonic!
Glad to see Panasonic is making a bigger body.. bigger and more rugged camera for us guys with bigger hands !
Good grief that opening was absolutely amazing 😂😂😂😂!!!
Did anyone else wince at 3:06 when the lens dropped right onto that branch?
The s1 is still in the running for my next FF camera.
Reasons to wait:
1. The lens choices will only get better.
2. You know there are firmware fixes coming.
3. You get to know the price of the video firmware upgrades BEFORE you buy the camera.
@@WildBikerBill +
4. Excessive rolling shutter
5. AF speed
6. AF tracking speed and accuracy
7. Low bit-rate video (150 or 72 for HLG)
8. 60P video has big crop
Pros:
The ibis is FANTASTIC, better than my Nikon z6 (and Sony)
@@AllisonRoadWest The S1H takes care of the video side of things. Just bought one and it's a beast.
I'll stay with my G9!
One reason why I'm never switching to Sony is because of the colours, although they have improved the colour science a lot with what they said in the newer models, I just can't switch to them because they did not have the pedigree. For my uses, the S1 might be the camera for me because I like to shoot street scenes in low light which helps by having less megapixels when compared to the S1R and I would like to do some landscapes occasionally.
Hey guys.. it would be amazing if you could do a follow up review with the Panasonic S1 post the firmware update that brings in 6K internal, Prores RAW external and the other changes. A comparison of the updated S1 against the S1H and S5 with all the new goodies in place would be incredible
Great review, still waiting for the Sigma MC 21 to use all my Canon lenses.👍🏻👋🏻
S1r review pls
The photo side looks great. I think I might wait for more lenses though or maybe the next video centric one. Great review as always.
great job guys. good looking pics and vid too. badlands landscape is something else.
1:56 Me when I realized that I need to earn at least USD 4,000 to have a budget to buy this camera but my coin bank has only USD 100....
A great and fair review with lots of useful insights and comparisons, mixed with a calm and friendly presentation and a couple of great laughs. It simply cannot be done better than this, guys. Thank you :-)
P.S.:
Would have loved to see some parts of the review filmed inside the little church, but I guess there are no macro lenses for the S1 yet?
No idea how but... Panasonic really has to kidnap some AF- C engineers from Sony
Or from fuji
Such a great camera review, thanks!
outside your GH5 - which mirrorless would be the best for video, vloggs etc...
Wow!!! Jordan moves like a Gazelle when you're trying to shot him!!!! hahahaha. Great video guys.
If you are about to head tot he beach with the fam and you could bring this camera, Nikon Z6 or A7 III, which would you bring?
Thanks Guys, great review, as always.
Great job on this, perfect overview as always. Jordan glossed over something I don't understand though I think he said there is no audio in 25 or 30p slow mo so it's not a problem to fix in post. What did he mean by rhat?
It's easy to re-time the 180fps recorded at 30P to 24P in editing software. Since no audio is captured in High Framerate mode, there's no drawback to conforming in post.
@@thatjordandrake Thanks JD, I edit a lot for my channel but it's not Advanced editing so some of those technicalities I've never delved into before. Good looking out
I had a good play with this camera at the NEC Photography show and fell in love with the feel and layout, it just felt perfect as soon as I picked it up but its just the continuous focus that let it down and I love to track subjects like a bride walking down the isle etc. The Sony A7iii slaughters it in this regard, shame as the S1 is a beautiful system.
Can much of this be resolved in software updates or is it hardwired into the hardware?
@@sarfaraz.hosseini Apparently much of it can be resolved if you tell the camera which AF mode and responsiveness you want, not just point and shoot and expect it to know what your priorities are. This is the basic take-away from early users, AF problems are overblown and AF has lots of customization options.
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Really upset that we didn't come see you guys when we were in Calgary... Great video as always!
There are rumors floating around that the S1 has in-camera exposure ramping for time lapse nark to light, for example. Is it true there is an exposure ramping function?
Was this shot in like 709 or HLG? The image quality of just this YT video is incredible! Also, what kind(s) of mic(s) did you use? It sounds super close and I don't see any lavs. Love the review btw. Thanks!
Have mine for a few days and do not regret it. I don't depend on continuous autofocus. The quality of the images is superb. And in spite of the weight, the ergonomics, the feel, the customization are amazing.
All I want is perfect stabilization and auto-focus. Why don't you do it??
Thanks Chris for the review. Bought that camera 2 weeks ago and still not 100% sure if that was right choice. Shooting kids portrait sometimes in action and landscapes. Would S1R have better AF performance ? I found AF in S1 to struggle when shooting in contra lighting conditions (Light behind the object) and not great when kids are moving. Still have chance to swap :) Should I go with S1R or maybe Sony A7IIIR ? Only think is I would miss built and feel of Lumix S serious it's best I ever experienced but... photography is not about that :) thanks for your advice
Wow, really appreciate your video! Only your video lets me know Vlog color will be back! Because Vlog color is so good and convenient to color grade for me! Plus, how much is it? Same with Vlog in gh5?
Life finds a way 😂😂 This is so funny..... Thanks for the video
Greatest intro ever!
Great video as always guys. I was wondering if you had any info on why the S1 focus peaking during video dims significantly as soon as the record button is pressed. I installed the v1.5 firmware in the vain hope that this glitch would be addressed. Alas, no. It still gets super dim even with sensitivity turned all the way up during recording. I read on a forum somewhere that other S1 users have had similar complaints and that, oddly, it isn't an issue on the S1H. What gives? I love my S1 but this is annoying. Do I have a faulty body? It's a real pain when trying to use vintage lenses and manually focus. Advice please!!!
I’m new to photography but been using a cellphone have the money for a premium camera what should I get leaning toward this camera more
I understand this camera has focus peaking and would like to know if it works well. By that I mean only comes on as various parts of a scene come into exact focus, not start coming on when it's miles out of focus, Leica M Monochrom gets it right, and Sony A7Rll does it very well. Focus peaking is brilliant to use with manual focus lenses, such setting up a tilt-shift lens.
Great review! Thanks
Thanks guys !
In my opinion, this is the best 35mm system for back country landscape photography and that is how Lumix should market it. Dual card slots are a must and the build quality/ weather sealing blows Sony away. No point in cluttering the sensor with PDAF points when you don't need AF. The viewfinder is incredible and the IS is great for fleeting moments like rainbows, landscapes with wildlife in the frame etc where there's no time for the tripod. This obviously isn't a sports/ wildlife camera, but cameras don't need to be everything to everyone. I've been using my S1 for about a month and it suits my needs far better than the Fuji X or Sony A series.
For landscape really any of them would do and weight becomes a bigger issue. I'm leaning towards the Z6 as landscapes is all I shoot.
@@BJJandBS agreed, except for the single card slots. I have had a single card fail after a 5 day trip and that was pretty devastating. Granted, the Nikon Z is running XQDs but those fail too. For me, that's a dealbreaker. An extra pound in an 80 pound pack is negligeable if the purpose of the trip is photography.
@@mzlphoto945 yes but for city and travel photography an extra pound is an issue. The chance of a card failing is super slim.
@@BJJandBS Yes, and for city/ travel Fuji X and Sony A are probably better picks :)
I had a hands on come and try the LUMIX s series camera with the local sales chaps in Adelaide Australia.. For 4 hours we tried most of the settings.. Lovely images and fun to use.. And it's heavy.. Darn Heavy hand was getting numb as the grip is too slim for my hand. Also the 70-200 lens is the pic for image quality for me anyway.
Great review! One thing: No banding because of DFD? I thought banding is related to silent shutter use and rolling shutter. Anyway, how does the camera work banding-wise in stills? Thanks.
Banding is related to PDAF sensors, which actually sit on top of the image sensor and under unusual lighting conditions show up as stripes across the image. This isn't an issue with the Panasonic cameras because they use DFD, a contrast based focusing system reliant only on the image sensor.
@@WildBikerBill Cool, thanks.
NIce review, Chris and Jordan! As a landscape and product photographer (stills only), I had considered the S1R (and the Nikon Z7), that is, until I read about the "High Resolution Mode" of these two Lumix cameras! In this mode, the S1 can output something like a 98MB RAW file, which is way more than I need, even for large 30" x 40" prints. Thus, I cannot justify the extra cost for the S1R, despite its' larger native resolution sensor. Coming from a Fuji X-T3, I think I will see a major difference in overall image quality from even the 24MB FF system, don't you agree? (Not that I wasn't obtaining very sharp results from the X-T3...just for large prints I think the difference would be noticable. Thanks!
Hi guys, I really enjoy the reviews. I was wondering if you have ever heard of Meike lens, I think they are a new company but they are meant to make lens comparable to Veydra. The best part seems to be at a fraction of the price. Could you some advice on these lens ?
Cheers Ed.
I love Canadians for speaking English properly. Thank you.
How to shoot in hlg for video please? Which settings to go into?
Crap! Chris! Why do you have to make me spit my coffee all over my ipad! Damn...lol @1:47
It's great to have another full frame mirrorless camera in the food fight. The next version of each of these cameras should be even better.
Hey guys. Looking at returning to photography, my last was a D7000. I was curious to know if the auto focus on this, while not as good as the A7iii, is going to be better than the traditional D7000 purely through age?
The sound is great. What mics are you using?
Rode Rodelinks with the included mic capsule. It's a pretty good mic.
I’m curious if the S1 has shutter angle and synchro scan like on the gh5/gh5s?
Timothy Gordon it doesn’t
Any 1 year after reviews for this one with the firmware update?
I love my S1 but auto exposure only in high-speed mode is a PITA. Hope they fix it in the future firmware update.
Did you cut this in Premiere CC 2019? Did you notice the white borders in some shots?
I have an S1 but have not explored all It’s features yet. Can someone explain to me how to use the multi shot mode and what it’s good for
Another 😇 honest and 👌Great review!
And as usual, awesome 👌videography🎦!
👍👍 .
Got a chance to handle it for 15 minutes. AND its ergonomics is AMAZING!
Thanks for the detailed review! Pana did an awesome job on these new FF cameras but I´m still not convinced to jump ship on mirrorless full frame yet. I´m holding out to see what Canon is coming up with next (hopefully we see a pro R in the near future)
Except for video, which one do you think is better, the S1 or Pentax K1 ?
Great video work, Jordan.
Thanks Jon!
You relived my 11 year old road trip my mom took us on. Hoodos, followed by that blue bridge, and the little church heh. We also hiked to the big Jesus statue. (oviously did the Drumheller things)
SeenCreaTive hope your mum is still around and doing good.
Most people who love Panasonic, like me, love them for their handling, ergonomics, features and buttons.
But at this moment in time, I'd rather have GH5 + battery grip, + Olympus Pro lenses with a manual focus clutch and f1.2.... Which I do.
Thanks for the video gentlemen. Loved it.
That intro was amazing! thanks for the laughts!
The opening of this video was cheesy perfection
This review nails it- yea I can't say anything about autofocus on my S1 as I only have adapted manual focus lenses for now.
Super great review and thinks ... OMG not a new mount again despite well thought through tech. But, I ask myself, why should I change brand? Again!
Good video, thank you.
What tripod is it?
Wait so the camera doesn't record internal audio?
You think it would focus faster if say i used a fixed focus point on center to shoot a car panning in continues af?
Thanks, guys! I will buy this camera.
I have the S1H and struggle with focus. Wish they could do a firmware upgrade.