CN TRAIN BREAKS A KNUCKLE AND SEPARATES RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- So just before 2 PM, CN 148 passed by and broke a knuckle causing the train to separate. This was also while CN 301 on the track next to it was just departing. CN 301 assisted the conductor in getting to the end of the train.
Fortunately after about 30 minutes, the train was coupled back together and proceeded on to Brampton Intermodal Terminal, which was under 5 miles away for them.. That must suck..
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The train went into emergency an hour earlier after running a red signal that they were allowed to go past given by RTC. Apparently they had a bad car (i'm not sure if its the same one in the video).
Initially 148 was supposed to pass at around 7-9 AM, so something was definitely wrong.
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READ THIS BEFORE COMMENTING: Due to a massive influx of many of the same questions and overall responses, this comment is towards most of them:
1. Why was I standing so close to the edge?
Its not a straightforward answer I can give you but.. It does look like im very close however I know what im getting myself into. Though a majority of the times I use my tripod to do close whots while im at a distance but as seeing my first time doing this had the chance of a train separating right in front of me, it shook me up a bit that left me with a slight bit of paranoia to not do this again.
2. Was the separation intentional?
No.. Seriously? Why are you thinking it would be, no offense but please use your brain. If you're thinking it was tampered the last time it went into emergency, no it wasn't, CN 148 ran a red signal even though they were cleared to pass it. As well, who the hell is going to travel to the middle of nowhere, potentially on a single track bridge just to mess the train up? It was simply either a defective car, or misaligned couplers known as "High/Low Couplers". As far as I know, they went into emergency again a few miles after they started up again, so it might just be a defective car.
3. Did I cause the separation?
Again, use your brain and analyze the situation properly instead of immediately finalizing a narrative, you have brain so use it. Case in point, no I did not cause this, I was simply just out catching trains. I had no idea this would happen, let alone in front of me.
4. Why didn't you film more/Why did you not get more detail
Oh for fucks sake.. I WAS SHAKEN UP, It didn't sound like I was but internally it did something. Also, I was initially ready to call it a day after CN 148 & CN 301 left, however this happened.
5. How did I know it went into emergency?
My friend has a scanner and we heard from the crew of 148 about an hour earlier that they went into emergency. Its not a coincidence, we simply heard it from the scanner itself.
i formally accuse you of using the infinity gauntlet to summon a split in your vacinity 😸
Comments are stupid fr
How can you even decouple a train without being on it 💀
#1 change the title. the train didn't suffer a broken knuckle. the pin attached to the cut lever sheered off from excess bouncing and major in train forces, which is why it happened at the rear 3 cars, basically the came uncoupled. #2 don't worry about silly people who don't have a clue. as a railroader I immediately recognized this, and know that you didn't do it. Ignore the haters.. #3 don't get so close, it makes us nervous and we really don't want anyone getting hurt or killed.. otherwise it's a cool video
@@NS1221Productions You have to concentrate really hard and wish for it really hard.
one more question which probably a few people are thinking...
when the air-hose breaks that locks the breaks to maximum... right? if so, what do such that the train can move again? how long does the system take to refill...
Perfect demonstration of how the Westinghouse automatic brake works.
The automatic through-air brake did exactly what it is designed to do and has been the same for many years.
This exact train broke a knuckle few hours later at Humber
@@kryptotransit Precision Railroading at it's best!
@@eatonjask I wish that term was about the railroading part, not about the marketing-to-customers part. And meant honestly.
@@KaiHenningsen If Precision Railroading had been a to return to high service standards and scheduled operations, the railways would be hauling a lot more freight, profitably!
@@KaiHenningsen It wasn't even marketing to customers - many of the customers left because of it. It was marketing to investors only
@@kryptotransit Two on the same train? Either they're way overloaded or those cars are not in road-worthy condition.
Train separations happen all the time especially when dealing with long freight cars like autoracks that have long drawheads. Seeing that this happened at the rear of the train it most more than likely was a defective cut leaver that jerked or popped up when the slack ran in from the rear of the train which has the least amount of resentence.
You're lucky that busted knuckle didn't fly up and take your head off. Years ago, I was the second car stopped behind a truck camper at a UPRR level crossing in Manchaca, Texas as a hotshot intermodal roared through northbound. I suddenly heard the air dump followed by a godawful clanging and banging beneath the railcar approaching the crossing. Apparently the knuckle broke, fell under the leading truck set and was ricocheting between the track bed and the bottom of the car, accompanied by a shower of red sparks. Just as the rail car hit the crossing, the loose knuckle was struck by a wheel and popped out like a greased manhole cover, striking the side of the pickup truck ahead of me and leaving a basketball sized hole through both sides of the truck camper. Fortunately nobody was in it. Needless to say, I don't pull all the way up to the crossing gate anymore.
Well this video wouldn't be made if I wasn't lucky, hell my latest video would probably bet my last. But notably it did shake me up a bit.
what busted knuckle?
That was a freak, but still that sudden release of air pressure means bad shit is happening to the train so it is a good idea to have an escape already in mind and use it, making sure to look in the direction from which the train is coming.
@@Franklin-jj4jz I thought the same thing
If a piece of metal flies off you are toast
😂😂😂DAM!!!
Talk about time and place, man that’s incredible! What a catch!
Also, going to make this clear before more and more dummies come in and bash GR.
It should make sense that there would be no way this was a setup. Train couplers are strong, but not strong as intended. As seen in the video, the "clamp" used to fully hook on to another coupler fully snapped off, possibly due to alot of wear and tear on the coupler. Also it also could be how rough the track may be as well, but no human activity was in this incident.
Back in the mid 70s, I was on a CN passenger train that came apart in the middle of nowhere, in Northern Ontario. The couplers didn't break, but the steam pipe did. We were on our way again shortly, but without heat in the middle of winter!
Great shooting angle. You really get the full effect of the speed. Fantastic catch of the coupler break.
I used to get paid to stand that close to a moving train when I worked on the CN. Now I maintain a good distance between a moving train and myself.
Back in the mid 70s, when I worked for CN Telecommunications in Northern Ontario, I would frequently hop on and off moving freights, as I was taking the train somewhere and the engineer didn't want to come to a full stop if he didn't have to.
Sharp eye on that catch! Stay safe out there bud!✌️
DUE TO RECENT EVENTS: No I or my friend with me DID NOT cause the split, the train split way before it reached the platform, and also this train was travelling around 50 MPH, you seriously think I would attempt to derail the train at such speeds or even derail it at all?
Lastly, as said in the video, the train had problems before it arrived through here.
@@GamingRailfanner keep in mind that the couplers were in marginal condition and could've fallen off at some point.
Unfortunately due to the situation in Nebraska involving a kid derailing a train, anyone can assume that I caused this, so I had to put this out.
Im so sory to here that
@@GamingRailfanneryeah don't be that guy
Came here to make a silly comment about that. But that's a serious issue for the railfan community now - every time an incident is caught on camera now, sabotage by the one with the camera will be on everyone's mind.
She is MOVING!!!! Great catch!
That’s Crazy How It Happened Right Here! Feel Bad For Crew. Awesome Catch btw. :D
So pleased you guys weren’t injured, but what a great close up catch too.
Awesome videoing and I loved the angles….
Good catch, events like this don't happen too often and even less get caught on camera so it's pretty cool you got a video of it.
CSX coal knuckle break: Canadian Edition.
Oh shit..
knuckle break?
Source please.
@@weylinwest9505 Might be referring to a similar incident with a CSX coal train, caught on video by 'Milleniumforce' about 11 years ago: ruclips.net/video/jB_pB7lDDpI/видео.htmlsi=7nrHLog4uqwApfuD
It's got a bit over 3 million views in that time, so a decent number of railfans remember it.
man, i havent thought about that video in years
Did anyone else notice the cut lever has broken away from the bottom of the coupler and pin linkage is missing from under the coupler? Probably what caused the pin to get pulled and release the knuckle to open up. The car is clearly defective and should have been setout instead of having multiple separations.
Yep. My railroad eyes caught that.
They probably saw it as well and set it out when it arrived at its destination
Well, this was definitely very interesting. I’m glad I was with you to see it.
What are the odds that this would happen right in front of you as you're railfanning! 😅 Amazing luck, thanks for sharing it with us! And glad that it wasn't too much of an inconvenience for the railroad too.
Once I was on Kidderminster station UK waiting for a train to go work in Worcester. A passenger train pulled into the other platform heading to Birmingham, when it set off again it left two carriages behind. About 5 minutes later the front of the train came back to collect the lost carriages.
Woah! Talk about Up Close and Personal!
An engineer can normally tell where emergency application came from. The rear pressure on EOT device reads on headend and if it goes to zero and takes a long time to blow up front then problem is in rear somewhere. Sudden air loss moves at 900ft per second.
I had this happen literally as I was sitting at the crossing waiting. My gf looked at me and said "is that supposed to happen?" MY reply was "ummm, NO!"😅
It sounds like you could hear the air release of the emergency brakes engaging about three cars before the split got to your camera, so it really did happen just about right next to you. That had to have been something to experience!
Convenient that 301 was right there to give the conductor a ride. :)
Follow de Damn Train CJ !!!!
Great catch! I've only heard of that but never got to see it in action.
4:15 I see when they coupled the one car wobbled because it was a rough couple. So what is the max couple speed for freight trains?
On autoracks it’s 4 mph
The couplers were misaligned when they tried recouping the first time
@@cjstrainsandadventures2124 5 miles per hour
Thank you!
@@GamingRailfanner They where reallly lucky that this first attempt didn't caused a damage!
The task of the guy watching the coupling should be slightly more than just looking. He should have seen that the couplings wheren't aligned and should let the train stopp before touching and then align the couplings.
The coupling took place at a straight peace of the line, it should make no problems at this spot.
The knuckle is a deliberate weak-link holding the cars together. Sometimes the entire coupler draw-bar comes out of the receptacle, what railroaders called "pulling the end out" of a car. If that happens at speed then there will not only be a derailment but a train wreck.
When I worked for the railroad it wasn't that the train "split," but "broke-in two" or "parted."
Be careful rail-fanning. Always have a plan of action should cars fall of the rails. Be aware that sometimes a load on a flat-car will shift, or a steel banding-strap come loose and be like a sword hanging off the side of a car.
The plan is to stay away from the tracks, especially from trains with a good amount of speed. If "cars fall off the rails" or debris gets thrown at you, you will not have the time to realize it, let alone duck or run away. Almost every railroad-related injury is preventable. So, you know, prevent it.
@@jovetj Good advice.
The intro of the horn scared me...
The train splitting in 2 right in front of You, that's like a 1 in a billion chance! Great catch!
I would say the odds are a little less than that.
Just guessing this guy hasn't even seen a billion trains. Probably also guessing a billion trains haven't ran during the time he has been alive. 😂
@@user-kv6wh5ut6o He doesn't need to. That's not how probability works - it could happen anywhere in the 1 billion number set.
@@ThePaulv12 Yeah, tell yourself that he was lucky enough to catch a one in a billion chance. 😂
You do realize how impossible that is, right? So, it wasn't one in a billion.
That is like somebody rolling 10 six sided dice and having them all land on the same number, and when you see it go, wow there was a one in a billion chance of that happening. No, not even close to one in a billion. 😂😂 Just because you don't see something much doesn't automatically make it one in a billion.
@@user-kv6wh5ut6o You really do not understand how probability works. A one-in-a-billion chance is unlikely but not impossible. Our understanding of quantum physics tells us that it's possible your body could spontaneously just drop through the Earth. The odds are very high against that, but the chance of it happening is not zero.
Nuclear decay is an excellent lesson on probability. Radioactive elements decay from one element to another. The moment any single atom decays is chaotic and impossible to predict, but the time it takes an entire sample to decay is known to be usually consistent. Just because a probability appears "smeared" does not mean it does not exist.
Doesn't anybody notice that as the train is pulling away from the so-called broken coupler that it has red flashing light on it, and 30 minutes seams all full quick to repair the coupler.
What are the odds, a knuckle break before the strike/lockout. I call it a strikeout.
That wasn't a knuckle break
That wasn't a broken knuckle...
Awww that's sweet of cn 301
Now come all the stupid questions to the crew. What was your speed and throttle notch? Was your train ascending or descending? What color socks are you wearing? Management’s way to pin blame on the crew for EVERYTHING.
Well I could actually give the answer
Their speed was about 50 MPH, the train was mainly descending with the back end still climbing a bit- Wait.. coloured socks?? 😂
@@GamingRailfanner Management doesn’t care about facts when they’re passing blame. They ask their questions and the crew waits for the Hearing and Investigation paperwork in the mail regardless of the facts.
No biggie if they were running Trip Optimizer.
@@redzmvt So you think the Carrier would report honestly? Sorry to burst your bubble but they submit false and misleading information intentionally.
I have seen trains go into emergency so many times
Yeah, but GR caught it on video.
Well at least you didnt rig it to split.
Unlike some one
Great catch
Hi kids , cool video and hello from Poland
Right place at the right time. Nice...
Oh my goodness!
Thanks for this!
Amazing video dude
When the air lines separate, doesn't that send an emergency brake signal to stop?
Yes
It does. You can actually hear that if you listen carefully about three cars before the split gets to his camera; there's a sound of a puff of air which I think is the brake mechanism on the car applying.
You can hear it happen at 0:59.
It's a bit more complicated than this, but in simple terms *air pressure = released brakes* on a train. When the air line is disturbed, the brakes activate. When the air line pressure drops fast enough, "emergency brakes" activate.
That is terrifying being so so close to the train seeing cars off to a passenger stop on their own 🫣
Hell of a catch!
I’m definitely sharing this with all my friends.
looks like they had a broken uncoupling lever
Oh my, that’s crazy.
man, people are really stupid for blaming u abt that incident
Yeah
Capitol city rail productions put us on guard so say thanks to him i guess
@@monkeyanimationandgaming fr
@@monkeyanimationandgaming definitely so
The have I point some railfans in USA do that
Idk why but i just have a weird feeling that the next time i go railfanning, a train will separate. (Btw im not saying i want it to happen)
Thats wild
Nice catch
Poor maintenance on BNSF’s end.
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@@smudgekitty19 what
@@gamingwithlukeJToH Kinda funny that the "Translate to English" button just turns the accented E's into even more E's.
Just curious, why does BNSF get the blame and not UP?
Is the trailing part of the coupler the one that is more likely to cause a failure?
@@user-kv6wh5ut6o Because kneejerk reactions are aimed at the party who's easiest to identify.
Line of road failure, the operation lever on the orange car is missing, the knuckle is still there or the crew would have to of brought one from the engine or rapid responder would have to come out and fix it, without hands on inspection probably the lock lifter wore out and broke crossing the op lever to fall then get ripped off
I wish I could pin this to get the conspiracy theorists pissed off because some of these people in the comments need to see the blue sky and sunshine.
Nice heritage unit
Dang, saw the same train at Bramalea, not knowing what happened until now.
I heard it split AGAIN at Bramalea after my encounter with it
BNSF AKA penn Central 3.0 😊
Wow what a catch good video
Great safety there!
That happened to my Lionel train set also
Conductor was on the wrong side making that joint. Now he has to either walk around the 4 autoracks to the other side (I hope he did) or climb through. Old style autos are not designed properly to cross through.
Oncoming train on track 2 was about to pass
Thanks to capitol city rail productions now every time a inconvenience happens on a train & when a railfan or a person records they are going to think the person recording did it.
And people think chocolate milk comes from brown cows. Don't worry about what stupid people think.
Exactly
The cow scenario is crazy 💀
You got lucky that happening right next to you. Kinda strange the knuckle didn’t break, maybe the pin didn’t fully drop down when the train was being built and it just happened to open at that spot, who knows. Great catch👍🏼🇺🇸😎🪝
Cool catching
Bro wtf is wrong with people for thinking you caused it
You need to research how stupid and gullible people actually are.
Wow! Perfect timing!
I would immediately call Canadian national railroad
Notice how the train stopped not far of the uncoupled cars. The train goes into an “emergency” when something like happens. The crew would have already reported the issue to CN.
Guess those 2 cars were sent to the shop right after unloading had finished
It's crazy how often this happens, would have though we would develop a better system
Its always a thing with these long autoracks the end of the train is always a bit jerkey!😂🎉
Not wrong. The end is always banging no joke
wow that's crazy
I recording CN shunting potash cars watched as several cars derailed as they picked up speed as normal to place cars as fast as possible. they tore up 300 feet of track and ties with 3 engines tied down for weeks.
They are asking about the separation because of the derailment caused by a fan in Nebraska in April
Yea I know this
3:09 Tanker cars are giggling...
Crazy how people saying “did you cause this” like you could have just said “the hell with physics” but all jokes aside I can see why people are questioning the situation due to what happen with that one foamer
look's like faulty coupler locking mechanism or bumping force is somehow kick the unlock lever
was that near one of the 4 inspection portals CNI uses from nasdaq listed DUOT ?
Nope, this is Mile 17.8 on CNs Halton sub
at 1 16 the autorack has an end of train red device in thr coupler/////////////////////////
Interesting
I thought this sort of thing only happened on my model railway layout!
This was at a train station i witnessed the same thing over 2 years ago
If only you had Superman strength and could push the train back together
Cool
Hm..maybe after the separation, due the empty cars, which brake much faster, than loads, then the knuckle broke.
Knuckle didn't break. It uncoupled itself
how quickly does the engineer find out about an event like this on a train? Like if you see it in a place with a posted phone number like that dispatch number on RR crossings is this something a railfan or bystander should call the RR about? I would assume the end of train device at the back of the train sends a an "Oh Frack" signal to the cab.
Whether it's an end of train device, or a DPU you know immediately what happens. As soon as the brake pipe between the cars, aka air hose separate all air pressure is lost automatically applying emergency braking on both sections of the train. the only thing we don't is if the train derailed or just separated in two.. because in both cases the automatic brakes go into emergency
@@filanfyretracker there's an air line running the length of the train, keeping the brakes open. When a split happens, that line gets cut which dumps the air, causing all the brakes across the whole train to apply full braking force. So the engineer knows immediately.
The engineer knows immediately thanks to how the brakes on a train operate. Train brakes work basically the exact opposite of how the brakes of most road vehicles work. On the latter, the breaks aren't engaged as the standard, and you have to apply them via the use of a hydraulic mechanism. Train brakes are the exact opposite in that the brakes are always applies as the standard and in order to be able to move the train, you have to release the breaks via the use of a hydraulic mechanism, in most cases through the use of compressed air. Trains have an air hose that runs the entire length of the train and the engineer can see the air pressure, and in order to be able to release the brakes, he has to apply air pressure to release the brakes. If the hose gets separated for whatever reason, the air pressure will reach atmospheric pressure for obvious reasons and the brakes will be applied automatically since that's their standard setting. The engineer sees immediately that he's losing air pressure and that the brakes have been applied, so he knows that something has happened.
In the video, you can hear a distinct "pffft" sound right after the train separated, that was the sound of the brakes being applied after losing air pressure.
@@filanfyretracker Of course they know. trains have a 90 psi brake pipe, aka rubber hose between cars running the length of the train. engineers will see all pressure readings on gauges or a screen in front of him. If for any reason the 90 psi goes to 0 psi.. the air loss of the brake pipe allows the reservoir tanks on all cars to dump air into brake pistons automatically putting the train into emergency..this includes the engines which need to be bailed off to avoid jacknifing
Pretty common with Autoracks or flat cars thats why I hate them on my trains...
Its a good thing it wasn't going down a hill otherwise it could have been a disaster
you should of added the radio chatter when they when into EMG
Radio wasn't mine and my friend was already running to the other end of the platform when things settled
Cut corners on maintenance, bad things can happen. Thankfully no i juries or deths from this incident.
Which GO station was this at?
Mount Pleasant GO
Ok this is just a thought that randomly hit my head just from watching this…
What if that were to happen to a passenger train?
It would really be the same scenario
passenger trains generally are equipped with a electro-pnumatic braking which is 'slightly' different than what you see here. I don't know that all North American commuter trains are so equpped but most are
Passenger trains have tight lock couplers and do not suffer the typical buff-draft force like freight trains. Simply put, It can't happen to a passenger trains
@@cdavid8139 Subway's and maybe some small commuter operations use the type of brake you referenced. Most if not all Passenger trains in NA use the same air braking system that freight trains use. the only difference is the air is set to a higher pressure for graduated release, while the cars use disc brakes. this is why when Amtrak engines crap out a freight diesel can rescue the train as long as the passenger brakes are cut in for passenger mode.
What are the odds of that happening right in front of you
Wow
Why the small fence?.
Looks like you're standing very close to the train as it comes past there. Please, don't do that. Load-securing straps do occasionally come loose and they flail around the train until they trigger a defect detector. If something like that hits you, the impact alone will cause serious injury, and if it tangles around you, being dragged along by the train would be fatal.
Majority of the times i'm not this close and even then I am always behind the yellow line, this shot was more or less a one time thing. (Similar shots utilize a tripod while i'm standing at a distance, this one was me but close)
After this happened it did shake me up a bit which now I don't want to try that.
@@GamingRailfanner Fair enough. First video of yours I've seen, so I didn't have anything to compare against.
Isn’t 148 out of Chicago? Or is that CPKC 148. Maybe it’s that
CN 148 which.. I did say, this is CN's Halton Sub after all if you're familiar with any of my previous railfanning videos
what's inside of these wagons? We do not have them in Europe :(
@@Sebrosan car haulers
@@l.srankin579they are auto racks, not car haulers
If that car jumps the track
Sad people man...