Is AOC Wrong on This?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- AOC is being critizesd for bring on certain people to talk about Antisemitism, is she wrong?
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“The biggest insult to the memory of the Holocaust is not denying it but using it to commit genocide against the Palestinian people.” ~ Norman Finkelstein
Norman Finkelstein said he was okay with the murdering of Charlie Hebdo, cartoonists, because they made fun of Islam. Norman Finkelstein should not be listened to, and you lefties will never be forgiven for trying to normalize him.
@Porter90 None of that is true. Stop weaponizing antisemitism to justify genocide! 😡
she did something wrong which you criticized so how is this not an L on her part? she should've not done it like you said but of course money and status are always more important.
To be fair I've never heard Hasan denounce antisemitism
Then this must be the first video you've ever seen... he says it often
good joke bro very funny
To be fair you're really slow
@@nrsrymj I could easily beat you in a race
He literrrally has to denounce it like every stream.. because of annoying people like u
To complain about Zionists being dehumanized while fervently dehumanizing the Palestinian people is classic.
Palestinians are Arabs. They aren't a unique people group. You're pulling a scam.
Once again, criticizing Israel for their atrocities towards Palestinians is not antisemitism.
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TBF, that's one thing she's very clear about if you watch the whole thing. She explicitly says how it's important to be able to recognise the difference between recognizing the horrifying things Israel is doing, and antisemitism, but that there is a scary amount of antisemitism popping up recently.
people.@@ImAmirus
@@robbiestrong-morse730 💯💯
Saying Israel shouldn’t exist is also not anti semitic
"October 7 is the worst thing to happen to Jewish people since the Holocaust." Well, this accelerated genocide is the worst thing to happen to Palestinian people since the Nakba.
To be fair What genicode? Yeah a war is going on in Gaza but how’s that war a genecide?
@@internetstudios5536 the intentional starvation and indiscriminate targeting of civilians and necessary infrastructure under a colonial military ethnostate while lawmakers and public officials call all Palestinians "insects" "dogs" and "horrible inhuman animals".
@@internetstudios5536 Settlers removing an indigenous population so they can colonize their land is a textbook genocide
@@DJMcCoo1io ok well, you can criticize the Israelis actions but don’t see how they are commiting genicide considering they are giving warnings to the Palestinians before they nuke Hamas who are purposely locations where innocent Palestinians are🤷♂️
@internetstudios5536 forcibly relocating a civilian population under threat of death, knew I forgot something
my german parents were like: what there are antizionist jews? this must mean they are self hating right? (this was in december). This portrayal of jewish=israeli is one of the most antisemetic stuff out there. They (my parents) know its wrong what the israeilis are doing but dont have the tools to critic it correctly (as settlerism/imperialism) and instead vale their criticism of the settler entity in liberal zionism.
German guilt has unfortunately fried their brains. But I would say it's the case in most countries in Europe as well, since all of them were either former colonial empires and so ironically have no real understanding of what colonialism is, and also because people in the West have a hard time seeing Arabs and Muslims as human beings. Israelis are white so they must be more humane and decent. And they're so uninformed on the geopolitics of the region, they just see Arabs/Muslims (there are Christian Palestinians, but that's not the image people form in their minds when they think of a Palestinian, not that it should matter) get bombed and feel it's just the natural thing that happens to Arabs. They get bombed. Never do they ask, by who, with whose weapons, and why??
90% of jews are pro israel , stop being blind, almost EVERY jew is pro israel.
Really the world is boned in various ways and all perspectives have their strengths and weaknesses. There is no black and white "this either is or isn't colonialism" "this either is or isn't self hating." This is the only way out of the "pick your side" politicking which is designed to keep us at each other's throats.
@@JohnSmith-mc2zz in science there is black and white - maybe not everywhere but in certain conditions. Like 1+1=2 is true in most spaces/fields. This also holds for social/political science:
the statement: "there are anti zionist jews" is true, and is not falcifiable.
"it is antisemetic to equate the actions of people who happen to be jewish with all jews" - this is a definition it is therefore not subject to falcification since it is true by its very nature.
"Israel is a settler-colonail state" Here we come into the nuance: there are people who were born in israel and therefore are not imedate settlers. But there are also new people going to Israel especially to SETTLE in the west bank, those are clear cut settlers. - yes this is no longer black and white as you described
but no matter if it is a black and white issue or a more nuanced state most of the time it can not devide us. In some it must!
Misunderstanding any of the points above is sad but not a cause for division (amongst me or my parents).
The majority of the jewish diaspora supports an Israeli state. Anti-zionist jews are a small minority.
ngl, this looks an awful lot like someone went to AOC and told her she needed to do more to "combat antismitism" and then suggested these "experts" for her to host and platform with zero pushback.
There aren't any anti-semitism experts that aren't pro zionist though.
If their explanation would be accurate, I wouldn’t have an issue with AOC inviting those people even despite them being zionists, but they actually just went there and said dumb stuff. AOC shouldn’t be criticised for inviting them because they want to “combat antisemitism” or because they are Zionist (despite that being tasteless for other reasons), but rather because they said dumb suff, which was broadcasted in an unaddressed way on her platform.
At the end we’re not liberals, and we can do better than just to engage in pointless identity politics.
exactly because i remember her getting criticized a long time ago for never speaking out against antisemitism so this makes perfect sense
@@lilacletters Learn this well and practice it for every election:
*This is how you always need to vote:*
We must fully resist and _always vote_ against (& less authoritarian than) both the Republican *and* Democratic Parties- including all of the squad, Bernie Sanders, Edward Markey, the justice democrats, & all other democrats.
@@minomushi_hitogata the donation was probably more of a gift you don't want to refuse, like in sopranos when tony puts his hand on a guys shoulder and stuffs a bunch of hundreds in his pocket "here, you should donate this to your favorite charity, maybe something related to what we just talked about".
Talking to spokespeople for a genocidal ethnostate about why they are the oppressed ones is insane, period end of story
This is exactly on point
There is no genocidal intent
@@Ilovedogs329 you only think that because you’ve dehumanised palestinians or you’re ignorant to what the israeli government have been saying both before and after october 7
@@Ilovedogs329 a dead baby every 10 mins says different but okay idiot.
Important note antisemitism is still on the rise even against Jews who don't want anything to do with Israel.
idk what aoc was thinking there is better ways of fighting antisemitism instead of inviting some lady who thinks that zionists aren’t included enough in progressiveness lmao
It’s a very odd time to bring up anti semitism when that’s one of the main claims being used to justify a genocide of Palestinians
@@donovan4222 aoc has been called antisemitic for her support of palestine but her doing this inviting that weirdo on to speak to somehow “combat antisemitism” only made people call her a zionist and that she’s just like fetterman so this didn’t go as she planned
@donovan4222 or MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, she cares about bigotry, and wants to speak out against people she calls bigots?
She's trying to both sides the conflict
@@jurjen8703 This is no different than being worried about “anti Dutch racism” during apartheid or “anti German racism” in the 1930s.
Mad respect for Hasan for maintaining a friendship with AOC but not letting that stop him from being able to give objective critiques
Nah eff that. He needs to ditch her.
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@@LoudPet636 I dunno how you've gotten here without someone telling you this, but the left is powerless in America in a material and political sense, if you don't have allies within the existing hegemonic powers, unless you get Billions (with a capital B) from the Chinese intelligence community in arms and weapons, you are consigning the left and yourself to be eradicated. Do you think that latin american Fascists simply armed themselves, or did they have help from outside states?
AOC sold out to the tiny hat tribe a long time ago
*Then he should be strongly voicing DO NOT VOTE for her every time he has her on.*
You can absolutely do this respectfully at the beginning of all interviews and public appearances with politicians.
He is not doing that.
He is incredibly politically irresponsible.
nazis asking “how can i be part of society without rejecting my nazi ways?”
90% of jews are zionists :) coincedence?
Everyone I don't like is a Not See!
@@bobbysmith9298 nah but people doing genocide modelled directly off of what the Nazis did are comparable.
@@bobbysmith9298 "God dammit Bobby, stop denying the existence of nazis."
@@stacystealer Well we know Hasanabi heads think that's what all the Juice are now so obviously I don't agree.
Two years ago, I brought my eight-year-old son to the holocaust museum in DC. We were both moved to tears. Seeing the holocaust used as some kind of excuse for Israel’s actions is not OK.
"No no no you don't understand, an ethno-state would be cool and normal if it was for My favorite religion"
totally
her team is awful and i could do a better job for free.
she is awful
It's amazing to me how often arguments in favor of Israel go back to just straight up Islamophobia. For example: A 1 state solution can't work because the Palestinians are inherently barbaric/antisemitic.
It's also insane when she mentions that whatever percent of jews support having a homeland, she completely skips past the fact that it doesn't mean that they support Israel itself. Like I'm not necessarily opposed to there being a Jewish homeland, but you don't just get to evict and bomb people willy nilly. Why does having a homeland necessitate killing civilians?
So where should we move the Jewish homeland?
@@taylordean3315 Fuck if I know but why does it have to be in palestine
@@trentinh so what’s a good place to go and evict the indigenous people?
@taylordean3315 Well you wouldn't evict the native people to begin with lol
@@trentinh so they would just move in? I’m not even trying to argue - just following the logic. I don’t see anybody volunteering their sovereignty to Jews so they can have a homeland. Not willingly at least. Would you be okay with a Jewish state being set up in North America?
When any other faith or ethnic group insist on having their own homeland, a Muslim ethnostate for instance, we automatically judge that to be a bad idea, a racist project or bigoted. Some countries have an official, national religion but those countries were not created as specific homes for people of those faiths. Imagine a specific Christian group, say Mormons, took over the US and claimed it as a Mormon state, and told all non-Mormons that they were now third-claas citizens and slashed at their legal, social and political rights with the caveat that even if they don't like it they can't leave. Instead the Mormons slowly push all non-Mormons into one small state of the US and take complete control over that state from water and electricity to the food supply. Would the non-Mormons in the US be expected to accept this? Would the world be expected to encourage this? With Israel and Palestine there's supposed to be something innately good about a system like the one I just described. They boil it down to Jews vs. Muslims or brown people vs. less brown people or white people and switch off their empathy and their reason. In any other situation a stance like xionism would be condemned and Israel would be made a pariah state for their actions.
"Some countries have an official, national religion but those countries were not created as specific homes for people of those faiths." Wrong, Pakistan is a state created specifically for Muslims, as a refuge for Muslims fleeing India.
@williammalin7909 another triumph for British international relations which has never caused anyone any problems whatsoever. Not really much of a gotcha if that's what you were aiming for. Hardly undermines the argument but yes, that is one instance where it was done though it was done out of a political move for independence in the region culminating in the 46 election result which showed a clear desire for partition, though at first the British still tried to prevent it with the Cabinet Mission Plan. Muslims didn't just drop in and make a country, most were already there. Additionally India didn't maintain the control over Pakistan that Israel maintains over Palestine which isn't even recognised as a nation in its own right.
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"Muslims didn't just drop in and make a country, most were already there." wrong, most Pakistanis are muhajirs who did just drop in and run the country, oppressing the indigenous minorities.
@@Cardinal_Hordriss Muslims invaded India, just like arab muslims invaded the landed of Canaan and over many centuries made it their respective homes. How is invasion and colonization happening in the middle ages any different than the same happening in mid 20th century? Jews of europe can do the same to Canaan, if the Arabs of Arabian peninsula can do the same several centuries earlier. More over after the birth of Islam, Arabs expelled all jews from Arabia in 7-8th centuries to make Arabia 'pure'. Contrast to it, Jews still allowed arabs to live in Israel after they have reconquered it.
Btw, Regarding partition of india and its comparison with Israel/Palestine partition, India accepted the partition and both countries chartered their independent paths from then on. While in the other case Palestine never accepted the partition. If Hindus of India can accept the partition of their motherland for peace, then surely the muslim arabs of palestine can accept the same?
@Joseph-cf2wd i wasn't the one who brought up India but perhaps because, as I pointed out, the partition of India was a result of a desire for independence in what we now call Pakistan which was played out in the political system. The Palestinians on the other hand were simply told that their country was no longer theirs and that they had to leave and those who didn't were forced out. Subsequently Israel has treated the Palestinians like dirt and stopped them growing by "mowing the lawn", controlling their power, water, food, blocked them from trading and stealing more and more of what little land they had left. India didn't do that to Pakistan, though their relationship with India is far from ideal India did not put their foot on Pakistan's neck and hold it there for the best part of a century. What happened centuries ago doesn't matter in this context - look at the UK, in the last 2000 years we have been conquered by the Romans, Saxons, Vikings, French and now not one of them can lay claim to UK territory. Palestine belonged to the Palestinian people until someone signed a piece of paper. Why should they accept it?
Libs are gonna lib…
Libs get the ______ too
90% of jews gonna be pro israel
I don’t think AOC should be engaging these people. It showes she’s still green as a willow sapling.
engaging is fine, no pushback is nuts. yet she is still amongst the most progressive us politician. sad state of the country
She knows exactly what she's doing. If you think she supports an end to colonialism you're not paying attention to what system she's part of.
no it just does she’s a regular socdem who will defend the fascists when it comes to the showdown. just like during the russian civil war… just like during the spanish civil war… just like all socdems who ultimately just defend the interests of capital and are enemies of the revolution
@@the999mannwhy are you so confident you know her mind?
She's a soc dem. Expect her to be like Bernie. You know... Useless lol
You can absolutely recognize that Jewish people have a historical and cultural connection to Palestine while also recognizing that Palestinian connections to that land are obviously stronger having lived continuously there since time immemorial and obviously recognizing that Jewish connection to the land doesn’t give them the right to have sole ownership and dominion over it and oppress the people who were already living there
A gutless disappointment.
Where is this conversation happening for Islam?
There are 23 countries that have Islam as their state religion. Ask one of them.
Bruh theyre out there. But go off with ur bad faith questions
@@YukonBloamie ofc islamophobia is not a major issue in a majority islamic country.. but us politicians almost never speak out against islamophobia this fervently. unless you count the half assed statements by biden and obama. most politicians encouraged it, especially during the 2000s with war in the middle east. reagan planned internment camps for every immigrant from the middle east. bush wanted internment camps after 9/11 for all muslims. many men are still detained in guantanamo with no trial, and many of them are innocent. of course the us would never admit this, but those from non-western countries see that islamophobia and anti-arab sentiment keeps places like guantanamo running. this was their point.
@@foreversui "Us politicians"? Are you a representative? Which party, which district, which country? Let's be real, the counter insurgency apparatus built for Communism is now being leveraged against Islam. Why would you facilitate that and think people won't notice?
@@foreversui "Us politicians"? Are you a representative? Which party, which district, which country? Let's be real, the counter insurgency apparatus built for Communism is now being leveraged against Islam. Why would you facilitate that and think people won't notice?
yes, she is
I don't know if AOC is looking at Israel as if they're Puerto Rico which is STILL a US colony but if she is, she's lost the plot. In a US vs PR scenario, the US is Israel and PR could've been Palestine IF we'd fought for independence as hard as Palestinians have. We were given 2nd class citizenship so we could be drafted as canon fodder for Korean War then WWII and Vietnam but with zero voting rights unless we left PR for the US. I give up on this country. There's no left and not even a real antiwar movement, the most basic thing.
7:57 It’s true. I’m a Jew in a region so small I didn’t meet a female Jew outside family until adulthood lol
everyone blaming her team instead of her.... this really seems like this was her decision. pls stop idolizing politicians.
And i thought her taking APac money was low but this is even lower than that. I used to love AOC. To conflait palestinian genocide with "antisemitism" is horrendous saying the struggld is one in the same like bruh
Hasan is always running screen for AOC
She let them people bully her into doing this shit massive L on her part😒
No she's completely right and justified, and BDS is intermingled with just hoards of antisemitic gremlins, even if that isn't the core intent of the movement.
@@JohnSmith-mc2zz oh god palestenian baby blown off or antisemitism is not what matters right now. Jews could cry a river at germany
@@JohnSmith-mc2zz Well that obviously wasn't the intention, as she specifically invited 2 spokepersons of pro-Israel/Zionist organizations and nobody else.
I agree that there is antisemitism in the movement, and would've loved for her to address it in an honest way. That did not happen and there is no reason to think that was the intent.
What she did was basically the equivolent of hosting a talk about racism against white people in rap, but only inviting Ben Shapiro and David Duke.
@@Elvesflame Many of my replies to you aren't appearing atm. Calling that woman David Duke is insane.
@@JohnSmith-mc2zz Both openly support an apartheid state and act as public figures in furtherance of its existence. Both also are implied to support genocide. Seems pretty fitting to me, once you manage to look past the "colors and shapes" aesthetics liberals fixate on so much.
Massive AOC L. 😢
common AOC L
Wait, aesthetic neoliberals are not materially anti imperialist? No!
A proud member of JVP.
Same ❤
Jewish Voices for Peace, if anyone didn't know.
@@FamilyRoyalty Heck yeah 💙💙
Good job betraying your people!
Proud to betray your own people!
Yes, she is wrong and for as someone who is supposedly very intelligent this was a fucking miss step on her part.
How many free passes is she going to get for this?
libs will be libs
@@End-Result Ikr, this is not the first time btw she's crossing the line. Hasan is defending her because she's a “friend”. AOC is not our comrades. These politicians need to be punished.
She graduated cum laude from BU with a double major in economics and international relations.
@@samgradyfilm More than nine-in-ten U.S. representatives and senators have a college degree, continuing a decadeslong trend. In the 118th Congress, 94% of representatives and all but one senator hold at least a bachelor’s degree, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of U.S. House and Senate biographical data. Having "credentials" doesn't mean you're educated or intelligent. It means you can follow orders.
Lily Greenberg Call or Simmone Zimmerman would have been great guests, since they actually get it.
21:06 she forgot, the hostages/prisoners being tortured by IDF in the thousands.
Ok this is extremely bad and a rare Hasan L. AOC is the next biggest disappointment to fetterman
I saw this in my inbox but didn’t see it. I just assumed these people had been vetted and never in my wildest imagination did I think one of her town hall discussions could have been a disaster. So disappointing 😔
never in your wildest dreams??? come on.
Is there some joke to be made here about how we should have supported British Imperialism because it's the "home country" of many early Americans? It's surely anti-American to be against supporting imperialism.
I'm tired of anti let's all grow up.
@@JohnSmith-mc2zz lol what
AOC is out of her mind with this.
Hey Hasi, really nice shirt, reminds me of what my uncle used to wear in the 60s. He was always sharp, I miss him.
Guys guys remember criticizing israel and Netanyahu is anti-democratic 😆
I really understand the desire to have a state where Jewish people are safe and secure, especially one attached to their history. I would argue that we need to make every country a safe country for Jewish people, but the argument right now is about Israel specifically. What I don’t understand is the argument that that necessitates a genocidal ethnostate and the elimination of Palestinians, and I wish Zionists were forced to explain why that is the specific political goal that they support. Even if you want to argue that there should be a Jewish homeland, that doesn’t excuse Zionism’s desire to wipe out Palestinians. Scotland is a homeland for the Scots, but they don’t drone strike every English person they see, and if they did we would rightfully not be like “Here’s some extra predator drones to defend your homeland, and anyone who criticizes Scotland is anti-Scottish”. Hell, when the Irish defended their homeland from the British - a nation that did do a touch of ethnic cleansing in Ireland - they were very much so not treated as the good guys by most. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Jewish people wanting a country where they feel safe (again, ideally 100% of countries would be countries where Jewish people are safe) and there is nothing wrong with Jewish people wanting to live in that region. But that does not necessitate or excuse genocide. It does not necessitate or excuse ethnic cleansing, colonialism, and the apartheid that Israel imposes, and I find it frustrating that Zionists are allowed to pretend that all of these things must be accepted and Israel ultimately deserves support as a state even if Bibi’s government is not ideal or else it’s antisemitism.
Host the oppressors and talk about how they're being oppressed rather than the people they're opressing? Nice.
im so sick of her TbH
She's a lost cause. Embarassing.
Honestly not worse than Bernie’s takes but people love to flame her and give Bernie a pass cuz he’s an old man and so he’s allowed to be flawed
lol who’s giving Bernie a pass? I see people roasting his liberal Zionist ass constantly. They both suck.
Bernie has been shit on for his cowardly stance on israel since October 7th.
tbh at this point criticising bernie is unimportant cause he ain't gonna be with us for long. While aoc will be participating in politics as the face of progressives for years to come
Bernie has such a proven track record that we know where he truly stands even if flawed.
AOCs mission in congress, from its onset when she was first supported by justice democrats, was to be performative in a way that was antagonistic to the status quo and the neoliberal narrative.
Instead, not only has she failed at being sufficiently antagonistic, her performative actions in recent years have been to launder the image of a system that caters exclusively to power.
AOC is so new either we get her to tow the line, or she loses her position because we cannot afford to keeping fucking up on these politicians.
loosing the plot blaming an old jewish man for a woman's actions. she is flawed but that doesn't make her a bad person same for bernie.
Typical AOC
Why hasnt she intervied any Palestinians???
Do native Americans get a state of their own? Foundational Black Americans???
Libs don’t wanna talk about that
Elon Musk joins the stream from 10:06-10:16
Apparently we have a carved exception for the Jewish religion. We are forced to accept some fringe Rabbi’s interpretation that current day Israel is the promised land that God himself stated in the Torah. If we don’t believe that interpretation it’s because we are not Zionist Jew, not that we are antisemitic. You can respect everyone’s choice to pick whatever religion to believe but you can’t force your religion on to others. Just like you can’t force Americans not to eat cows bc Hindus believe it’s sacred
Zionism is NOT Judaism ffs!
"Apparently we have a carved exception for the Jewish religion." No, we don't have such a carved exception. you're just an antisemite
This is referring to religious Zionism, which does tend to be the worst of the worst. The issue is that most Jewish Zionists have a much broader interpretation of what Zionism includes , of which religion is not really the most important part, just forming the scaffolding for an extremely broad socio-political and cultural ideology.
Source: am Jewish and raised Jewish in tue US
@@ezrabrownstein3237 do you feel like since Oct 7 there is a lot of anti semetic rhetoric? Curious to know your perspective
@@Hummingbird25 I think that there is, yes, specifically from leftists who don't have the same lived experience of growing up in a Jewish Zionist community (right wing antisemitism is much dumber and less ambiguous). Coming from someone antizionist like myself, their rhetoric sometimes sounds as if they don't believe that Jews are able to have a national identity because of some fundamental inclination to rape, murder, and pillage (as opposed to opposition to just this specific manifestation of Jewish nationalism), and applying this to any Jewish person they see even though hardly any antizionist jew started out that way (I sure didn't). And in any case I can tell you for sure that Jews are FEELING more unsafe, which in a lot of ways is just as important.
This is why you don't have politicians on your show unless it's to grill them.
Yes
Is aoc ur bestie? Is that why u arent criticizing her?
As a Jewish person in NYC who’s completely against Zionism and the state of Israel it really sickens me to see this stuff over and over. One thing they don’t mention, that my friends within JVP and I’ve written about multiple times, is a huge and very obviously direct reason so many Jewish people struggle to waver from supporting Israel, ostracism. From childhood it is ingrained that every family member you have, for the sole purpose of our ethnicity, supports Israel. That any community you find within your faith, will support Israel. Going against it and speaking out against it within ur community is a fast track to being insulted, laughed at, and even shunned. I’ve had so many debates within my family just cause of how passionate I am on this issue and I’ve been called a lot of things in those conversations. And yet I still am probably gonna keep the fact that I went to protests from them from that fear. It just feels so wrong to talk abt the ingrained nature of Zionism within Jewish communities and just skip over what that means to ever develop an ability to criticize it.
I was raised in new jersey and had a very similar experience to you. I moved to Israel to work in pro Palestinian NGOs (they exist I swear lol) and a few of my family members were calling me a Kapo. Stay the course, we need you!
Criticising or discriminating against someone for features they were born with is racist, sexist, or bigoted. And thats wrong. Because no-one can change how they were born. And criticism only has value if it can create change for the better.
But criticising ANYONE for the things they do or they believe is not racist, its not sexist, and its not bigoted. The criticism may be wrong, but even if its wrong its not racist, sexist or bigoted.
Anti-semitism is just racism. End of story. ‘anti-semitism’ just means racism that targets jewish people. But that does not mean that jewish people cant be criticised for their actions.
And you dont need to be jewish to be an expert about anti-semitism. You just need to have a sense of right and wrong. And let me be clear: some jewish people deserve criticism today for their actions.
Takeway? If youre being criticised or discriminated against for a feature you were born with - thats wrong. Criticised for anything else? Thats okay.
This is a great analysis. I would add from the perspective of a Jew raised in the US that there is a legitimate issue with non-jewish antizionists automatically associating Jewish symbols or "Jewish" presentation of a person with Zionism (currently, complicity in genocide). That's not principled anti-racist activism, that's just prejudice. And that line is also where things get murky since it is true that most Jews in the diaspora also identify as Zionists, including Jews that also legitimately hare the state of the country and support Palestinian liberation. I think that outside Israel-Palestine, ie in cases where zionist beliefs do not immediately manifest in the real world (ie Zionists in the us don't go out and kill Palestinians in the OPT), there is a communication gap between Jews and non Jews as to what Zionism stands for in theory vs practice. And also relevant is the difference between supporting something in theory and being complicit in it in practice. There are VERY few Jews in the diaspora that were antizionist from the jump. And whether we (or specifically non-Jews) like it or not, the "pro Palestine" movement will need a broad coalition of Jewish cosignees to have legitimacy in the West.
@@ezrabrownstein3237 unfortunately, i think whats happening in Israel and the occupied territories is going to have the same effect as the nazi’s use of the swastika. Most western people today associate the swastika with nazism, but if you travel around asia you will find them everywhere, because swastikas are traditional symbols of peace (i believe the nazis reversed the cross arm to make it a symbol of war but i have seen religious swastikas on temples that point the same way). As the grandson of a british ww2 veteran who was severely messed up by his war service, the first time i saw one on a temple in china i was taken aback (i dont know what kind of reaction that creates for jewish people). But i did a bit of research and discovered what they really mean. But plenty of westerners would react badly to such a symbol, no matter what it was for. And i understand the german government has a blanket ban on all representations of swastikas - which is understandable. Thats all a bit sad, given the swastikas original meaning, but, again, entirely understandable.
Personally, i love jewish symbolism (i used to have a lot of jewish clients and i got to know them pretty well) but theres definitely a danger that the israeli government is going to poison those symbols by association. Which is very sad.
@@tileux I totally agree, and I actually had a debate with my dad not long after October 7 where I basically said this. Whether or not Zionism had or has merits will at some point become irrelevant moving forward. Because the way an idea is expressed in the real world matters, and this idea has been expressed in supremacy and atrocities committed against others. That's part of why I hate zionism, because it turned my expressions of faith and pride in my ancestry, like the Star of David, into a symbol of hate and we won't get them back.
I have a feeling I will get hate for this, but I agree with both that women and HASANABI as an American Jew.
I personally believe the Israeli government is participating in a genocide currently. I think what is happening to Palestinians is horrific and I call for a ceasefire.
That being said, I also have beliefs that Israel is a holy land to Jews and a safe haven. I think this belief in others has been exploited by its leaders as an excuse to do unimaginable things in the name of Zionism. Palestinians never should have been kicked out of their homes and the apartheid should have been called out sooner.
With all that in mind, I have definitely first hand experienced some extreme antisemitism in the name of antizionism. I think any critique or criticism of someone trying to dismiss or validate a genocide is acceptable and not antisemitic. But calling for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth, vandalizing Jewish spaces simply because they are Jewish, and using harmful Jewish stereotypes as a way to protest antizionism are all antisemitism I’ve directly seen, and it’s becoming normalized.
The fact is, the conversation isn’t about Jews right now, but there are few who are acknowledging or fighting against these very real and very scary uses of antisemitism.
I know Hasan won't cancel AOC because he's a “buddy” to AOC, but her inviting a spokesperson who defended an apartheid state is wrong and should be called out. AOC is bought and paid by the lobby at this point, plain and simple. This is one of the few things I didn't like about Hasan, he won't call out someone's mistake because he/she/them is a friend of him. What Hasan is doing right here is he's trying his best not to hurt AOC's reputation and feelings, complaining what AOC's doing is not enough, when the right thing he should've done is to punish these politicians. AOC is not your comrades, not the type of person you would trust to invite her to your trench when you're up against your enemy, she'll stab you in the back. If she really cares about antisemitism on the rise (which is true) she should've invited JVP not a spokesperson of your enemy. Anyone who defended AOC at this point, then you're just a “snake in the grass”, you're not a comrade. AOC is bought and paid for right now, like I've never seen her inviting a prominent voice from Palestinians to discuss genocide happening in Gaza.
how is bds antisemetic?
i wasn’t sure if hasan had it in him to criticize a politician he was personally friendly with, honest kudos
Why did you delete my comments that highlighted your contradictions?
Has' your chat broke my brain so hard that I thought that's said AOC is Anti- autism
I think your favorite streamer may be compromise y’all😂
Passing all of the bunk onto Saytanyahu is just so pathetic.
The whole society there is turning more theocratic fascist is because of the society was structured in the first place.
As a whole, at this point in time. This is a terrible priority for AOC to make.
Hasan supposedly being radical but gives puff pieces to AOC every opportunity he gets.
I understand knowing when to set your expectations with political figures but there's a difference between critical support and having her on your stream and not pushing her on really anything.
The Squad have been, even when considering the massive obstacles they face, an immense disappointment when it comes to their ability to leverage power as a block. She knew what she was doing inviting a speaker like this on.
What about islamaphobia in the US? That's also been on the rise. But Dems silent on that.
A bloc of what like four people. AOC not left enough. This is politics today. Embarrassing.
They are trying to play the inside and outside game like Bernie is doing. If she goes against establishment she will be outcast like people like Jill Stein or Ralph Nader... But maybe she should. Neoliberals aren't giving the left enough and never will.
Dems are the ones perpetuating Islamophobia in the first place
Dude, did you even listen to what he was saying? Because I did and I clearly and loudly heard that he said "she shouldn't have invited these people. That was stupid"
Ant semitism doesn't only apply to jews. Palestinians are semitic peoples
This is super annoying because it only has ever been used since its invention to discriminate against Jews. The Europeans who invented the term were just ignorant idiots, but here we are. I agree though, we should just call it Jew hate or anti-Jewish racism to clear up confusion.
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noun: antisemitism
hostility to or prejudice against Jewish people.
"he is a leader in the fight against anti-Semitism"
I got an *"H-caust remembrance"* ad before this video.
The irony is BEYOND disgusting. They're STILL playing victim.
💀 yep
Who is they? If it’s “The Jews” as a monolithic bloc, that’s antisemitism.
Woosh. Listen to Hasan he may be a scumbag but he's smarter than you little minions.
Yes she is wtf !!!
Appreciate the balanced take from Hasan here.
Social progress via electoralism is made impossible by her tendency to embrace ethno-staters.
Either she's worse on this issue than we've been led to believe, or she cynically believes we're stupid enough to fall for it.
Poor AOC probably was like oh yeah lets see what these people say OH GOOD OH NOOOO
Have everyone forgot that she didn't vote against Iron Dome?
Yeah because the iron dome is a purely defensive asset.
Don't ask sister Squirrel, she'll give a pretty detailed answer with A LOT of history.
"Person complicit in genocide wrongly accuses anti-genocide crowd of anti-semitism". That's crazy. Super duper shocking.
Her only concern is with the feelings of Zionists. She never once mentions the plight of the Palestinian people.
the innocents in the firing line because of that disgusting false state is wild, both innocent civilians being bombed, and innocent jews being linked with that same state, specifically those who dont agree with them
It's fine to criticize her, But there are those acting like she wasn't one of the few members of congress to call for a ceasefire. Progressive I fighting is so unnecessary when Bowman is so close to losing his seat.
Why do you think bowman is losing? Is it because of progressive infighting, or millions from AIPAC? Ceding ground to Zionists is what is destroying progressives
Do you know why Bowman is losing his seat? Partly because he’s being as an anti semite for criticizing Israel.
She doesn't get a cookie for doing the only conscionable thing. Get a grip.
@@End-Result Fr. Especially when she's done a lot of things that have shown time and time again that she's not as "progressive" as people were duped into believing. Some examples in relation to Palestine are: her changing her "no" vote to the iron dome, believing in and reaffirming israel's "right" to exist, having neutral stances, demonizing pro-Palestine protests in October and refusing to call what's happening a genocide for the longest time. I want to add that, to me at least, this isn't "infighting". Infighting would mean that we have similar values and someone like her who ultimately supports the imperialist interests of the US is not that.
Agreed, I can disagree with AOC on this issue and still support her.
If I am anti-Abrahamic does that make me anti-Semitic? In truth I'm anti-theist.
Yes
I think this is evident a issue with a lot of progressive people both Jewish and non-Jewish who have a genuine interest in fighting anti-semitism but grew up in the world where Israel was constantly lauded as the way to fight anti-semitism. My old Jewish mother is a perfect example of somebody who repeatedly will say Palestinian people are human and deserve safety and self determination but then believe that supporting Israel is somehow the way to do that. She will believe that Israel is a magical place where Jews, Muslims, and Christians are all free from persecution. This sentiment is in a lot of the propaganda shown to Jewish people in the US. Hell I remember this horrible ad that was shown in my Hebrew school that said some bullshit like, “our Israel” and showed a Muslim, Jewish, and Christian child, and how they each love “their” Israel, referring to their fucking isolated quarter of Jerusalem. Fucking wild.
Yes. Next question
What is the end goal of the free Palestine movement I’m genuinely curious? I’m continuously bombarded with very one sided views from both right and left but yet never get a clean cut answer. I don’t want this coming off as any sort of gotcha question because it’s not I’m just very confused and need clarification. Is it to cleanse the region of all ethnic Jews or just to get rid of the zealot Zionists?
this is so depressing! can't trust any politicians
2:35 he’s not wrong. As long as it exists as an independent power it will be compelled to expand to the detriment of the masses. Take away that power to do bad things and the bad things will stop, simple stuff here.
BOOO AOC
Sadly she's the best we got and she suuuux lol
Have fun with that, crazies
Anyone conversation about antisemitism without discussing anti Palestinian hate crimes is done in Bad faith. Highlighting one type of hate and pretending the other type doesn't exist is why this genocide is still going. Fence sitting AOC looks pathetic to me. Makes me appreciate the rest of the squad standing up against the genocide
I don't know. Why are you asking me?
So that you'll leave a comment for engagement. Seems to have worked.
Just because 10% of Muslims are Jihadists doesn't mean that Islam should be disregarded or considered a failed concept (let's ignore the cult part of religion for this argument)
The chatter calling her the next Fetterman is a moron, This was in poor taste but it doesn't make her Fetterman. People are so reactionary.
Eh, we’ll see.
@LoudPet636 what is there to see? Being this reactionary is so weird
It's not simply "bad taste". She is literally being part of the problem. I also don't see what is reactionary about calling out a "Leftist" for giving a huge platform to people who seek to do nothing but defend actual demons.
She is tho. Clearly.
@@TihetrisWeathersbyYou don’t know what reactionary means. Look it up, then correct your comments.
America is one of the safest places for Jews on earth, but sure let's talk about antisemitisim in this moment, its so important🙄
Just like Weimar Germany was safest place for Jews.... and Iraq... and Poland...
Jesus, you don't understand Antisemitism or its history. Your comment is EXACTLY why we it should be discussed at this moment.
@@williammalin7909 Its almost like the US is not 19th century Europe with its extensive history of pogroms and shit.
Oh AOC.........😳
Islamophobia is the bigger issue right now.
doesn't matter, we should still discuss the rising antisemitism in this country, including on the left, including in this very comment section.
@@williammalin7909It might have something to do with what Israel is doing... Just a guess.
@@ZedNebuloid doesn't just have to do with that, antisemitism is rising for a number of reasons.
And how dare you blame Israeli jews for the antisemitism of gentiles. Your excuses and tricks don't work any longer. you're done.
@@williammalin7909 Conflating the slaughter of Muslims with antisemitism is laughable... And I'm done? Are you going to genocide me and my family too?
@@williammalin7909 I have no issue with Jewish people but I do condemn zionism completely. Zionism is pure evil.
She sees Bowman is going to lose his fucking ass off, and needed to hatch a new gameplan
How long before AOCs back on the broadcast? 🙄
Yes. Yes she is.
Well, I’m not voting for AOC anymore
17:50 we call them that when they act like it
I cringe at the idea of her running for president. She's going to make Elizabeth Warren look like a genius if she ever does.
Just cuz most of us don't spread Jew hate doesn't mean it doesn't happen and at an increasing rate.
Nobody is questioning that. BDS (boycotting a state enacting active ethnic cleansing on a massive scale) is not ‘spreading hate’ or anything like it.
@mynewcolour I agree with everything you said. I'm not a Zionist. Lol I'm a progressive lefty. It's okay 👌 ❤️
The most effective way of spreading anti semitism is supporting the existence of Israel
Suddenly, intolerance of the intolerant colonizers is unwarranted.
When will we have this conversation about Islamophobia?