Natasha Hausdorff's Closing in the Munk Debate Anti-Zionism is Antisemitism 17 June 2024
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Natasha Hausdorff and Douglas Murray spoke in favour of the motion Anti-Zionism is Antisemitism in Toronto against Mehdi Hasan and Gideon Levy. Watch the full debate through Munk Debates:
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When truth is presented in this way, immaculately and intelligently. One can only bow to and accept it.
Bravo, Natasha, thank you.
My goodness, Natasha Hausdorff is impressive... that knowledge, intellect, and extemporaneous flow are fierce attributes. Outstanding! ❤
Hausdorff and Murray make an excellent team. Thank you!
What's your opinion of the debating skills of these other Zionists?
1- Mosab Yousef
2- Shmuley Boteach
3- Yishai Fleisher
4- Ben Shapiro (or maybe this an N/A? Lol)
5- Alan Dershowitz
6- Emily Schrader
7- Lex Fridman
8- Piers Morgan
9- Terry Oved
I mean, just because I agree with them doesn't mean I think they won every single debate.
If you like to debate, Israelis will happy engage with you, they love a good debate!! Well done, and thank you both. Douglas and yourself along with Col. Richard Kemp are the hero's of the truth in this war.
Incredible intelligence and poise. Ms. Hausdorff and Mr. Murray decisively defeated thier debate opponents!
godbless to natasha she speaks without borders ❤❤❤❤
What an amazing woman Natasha is!!!💙 I agree that if people really cared they would call "for "Egypt to comply with its international law obligations. Those that it signed up to in the African Union Convention on Refugees. Egypt's responsibility to allow safe passage for refugees fleeing civil disorder in Gaza."
I'm shocked that an Arab Muslim country can keep people TRAPPED in a war zone. Egypt did not even allow the international community to set up a 'secured' humanitarian camp just inside Sinai where babies, children, mothers of small children, pregnant women, the sick and the elderly could be safely cared for. The problem is that the Islamic world wants more and more "human sacrifices" in order to make Israel look bad.
I stand with Israel...🇮🇱🙏
*Some samples of LAST 20 years:*
Nigeria Boko Haram 350,000 dead
Sudan JEM/Darfur 300,000 dead
Yemen Houthis 233,000 dead
Pakistan vs Islamists 50,000 dead
Syria 500,000 dead
South Sudan 400,000 dead
Ethiopia and Eritrea vs Tigray 600,000 dead
No protests for all these dead.
Absolutely, well said!
…. 75 years of Nothing, Zilch, Nada, Niente, Rien, Nichts ….
The Palestinians and their leadership of gaza have wasted 75 years obsessing over the fact that Israel exists.
The same day the state of Israel was declared, the palestinians started a war.
They lost that war and haven’t accomplished anything for themselves since.
25 miles of Middle Eastern beach front has gone to waste. Should have been a fantastic place with Hotels, Clubs, Restaurants, Casinos, start-ups , film and music festivals, agri culture, innovative industries.
They have NOTHING, done NOTHING, achieved NOTHING, created NOTHING, developed NOTHING….. because they’re for some reason obsessed with Israel.
What a shocking, self inflicted waste.
We will not let Israel down and we will stand withe the State of Israel all the way !
How true !
66% went with this side, which is amazing, but it also shows how impossible it is to verbally deal with an opposition that cares nothing for logic and reason.
Literally 1/3 brainwashed by communism/Islam. Dangerous but there IS still hope.
Natasha as always morally clear and fiercely intellectually honest. She helps me to stay sane in a morally bankrupted world. Thank you great lady 🙏🏻
She's a rock star! Go Natasha!
Wow. She gave me chills. I have been following Natasha Hausdorrff since October 7th and have been amazed by her intelligence, grace and integrity but she really blew me away with this debate. Talk about a role model for young girls and women like myself, and a force for Israel to be reckoned with.
Same here.
She is so brilliant. A voice of factuality and reason against a sea of confused feelings.
Not a sea of confused facts , A sea of lies... MS Hausdorff and Mr. Murray are Not Jewish ,so there is a chance that the World will finally hear Truthful Facts instead of Terror Slogans !!
Well done Natasha and Douglas. Keep up the good work!
This lady needs to be the Prime Minister of England
Of the UK! I’d love that.
I've been watching and listening to this brilliant lady since the beginning of this conflict. She's a voice of reason. I'm glad she is getting the spotlight now.
Excellent analysis Natasha!
Natasha is brilliant. Her opponents can’t stand her, especially this mehdi the compulsive liar, who was caught cold handed that night by Natasha quoting whatever he invented about Lord Balfour. Great job!
She is one strong lady and mighty right to boot!!!
If you did not catch the destruction of the SAfrican case at the ICJ, you have truly missed her at her best.
Natasha is brilliant, brave, and beautiful. What an amazing combination!
So impressed with Natasha! It is a great blessing that your parents were inhabitants of the region of Palestine. They were called Palestinian and are Jews. I loved this truth.
Who is Palestinian?
You truthfully factually highlighted Jews lived in the region of Palestine with other Arabs. They have every right to remain on their land and have their state. Great debating !
Brilliant Natasha !💪💪💪💪❤️❤️❤️❤️
Natasha is brilliant in a world that is filled with ignorance and hate.
Love this woman. Her intellect. Her language. Her principles. Her presentation.
Natasha Hausdorff cannot be given too much praise. ❤
Indeed.
Absolutely.
Natasha and Douglas are both remarkable. ❤
Exemplary human beings. And brave to speak out.
@@etsequentia6765 Bravo, they will be protected by the most powerful contry in the world - Israel.
After such a devastating debat, I am truly wondered about the 34% still voting contra Israel.
Its unbelievable…
Is there a more formidable debate team than Natasha and Douglas? I think not. These are two amazing individuals.
Natasha is brilliant. So is Murray. I heard Natasha described this way recently. The saying “don’t bring a knife to a gun fight…well Natasha brings a F16 fighter jet.” You don’t want to mess with her, she will chew you to pieces. 👍
Natasha and Douglas on shot💯👏😍🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
Wow ! Natasha and Douglas destroyed the opposition.
Her voice and eloquence are astounding
Her beautiful English accent, education and intelligence are very appealing and, she’s brave enough to stand up for what she believes in. Bravo 👏 👏
Really powerful.
Natasha is well spoken and courageous!! Amazing!!
I just heard her opening address and now listening to her closing address, absolutely amazing debating skills! She definitely wins the argument! She actually represents Jewish tolerance and Jewish intellect!!!
I have fallen in love with Barrister Hausdorff.
stand in line.
Wait in line. We all have
Join the club 😍
hey, go right back to the end of the queue.
Mehdi literally got called out on his bs again, he tried to sway the truth & believed his own lies until he gets caught
Why did they delete the full debate
@@someaccount-mp4tk It has copy rights.
Is Mehdi Hasan a hypocrite for living in the UK, a 1st world democratic ally of Israel?
@@AdelinaMuller Ah yes, understood, thank you!
Beautifully said.
I love this woman! Not on a romantic way, I just love her!
Thank you Natasha!
MS Hausdoroff ,you are brillant and an Intelligent Speaker ,The Free World Must listen and be Educated with your FACTS instead of Islamic Jihad Slogans , pls Speak at the U.N.
God bless
Natasha!
Incredible 👏👏👏
Natasha and Douglas are brilliant 👍👍
What a Women.. bravo
She is extraordinarily articulate. What an ambassador for Israel! Thank God for this.
Egypt a muslim nation does not give shelter to Palestinian muslims..why?
great job Natasha.
if this debate was not on the clock you would have wiped the floor with the opposition.
because like in every debate with this particular opposition, you and Douglas had to spend most of your time correcting the lies and half truths the other side presented.
also, i couldn't keep count, but almost every argument by the other side was a strawman argument.
further than that, they strawman the entire motion in question in numerous occasions, to: "if you criticize Israel you're an antisemite".
As it is they wiped the floor with both of the Antisemites.
Yes, like in a horse race, when you have two different class horses, the longer this race would have continued, the further behind Natasha and Douglass would have left them, simply for being of a different class.
If you read some of Hassan's apologists who try to excuse his humiliation, they claim that the crowd was against him. The opposite is true. In front of an impartial crowd, they would have been lucky to get 1% of the votes.
Simply on debate rules, they would have lost for lying, for using the straw-man tactic, for trying to redefine the motion, as Natasha pointed out, and for interrupting. Yes, it was a debate between two skilled debaters and two bullies who tried to lie their way out of an indefinable position.
If you are an anti-Zionist, you are an anti-Semite,
Natasha absolutely buried the Hamas apologists!
She is amazing. Just amazing
I’m an English Christian and support Israel and always will. What a brilliant orator Natasha is.
Thank God Natasha n Douglas. ❤
Natasha Hausdorff is wonderful.
Good job my girl❤
Excellent closing Speech !, but hey ,it was given by such a balanced and fact based Natasha Hausdorff, I have cone to expect nothing less from this brilliant Barrister, thank you Natasha .❤.
outstanding!
Brilliant.
Natasha she is amazing
Holy smokes she obliterated the opposition
Natasha Looks and sounds great!
Brava!!!
Brilliant ❤
Brilliant clarity!
One thing though-
In this short clip Natasha Hausdorff says Zionism doesn't state the necessary mixture of population.
- Yet I think Zionism does to an extent and it should without any shame at all. The majority population is Jewish as a homeland for Jews whilst minorities have equal rights. Likewise England a majority Christian heritage country with an established British ethnic mixture- to state countries have a majority identity should come with no shame yet consensus politics is unfortunately assuming something more extreme and ugly just making such a statement. To make the statement sometimes indeed may be necessary.
Most ethnic minorities agree and support this country. Support is usually reciprocal between the majority identity population and its minorities- true for both UK and Israel- very acceptable! ... Yet with MainStream Media if a minority is against the established majority identity and its values, its wrongly assumed to be the fault of the majority population. In Israel the other factor is- Arabs are a very large minority, hardly a minority and Muslims are a world majority group with some collective views which create the geopolitical power of a majority- even in UK. Obviously there is alot of Anti Western and Anti Israel sentiment- its not a minority view in the region- obvious context strangely not considered by many commentators in UK- presumably whilst also silently aware of UK demographics and geopolitics.
The USA as the most powerful country is the anomaly in the discussion due to its own unique founding history and constitutional principles. USA is the result of colonial empires whereas e.g. Turkey, Italy , France, Spain, Greece, Persia, UK have been the central motherland hubs of empire at various times also producing mixtures of peoples from further afield. Nations have been defined based on a people in a particular territory either before imperial invasions or after dissintegration of empires.
Hence different nations founded for different reasons- some based on a people, some like USA the resultant mixture of colony and some a multiculture resultant from being the centre of a previous empire.
The assumption by academics and politicians who lean to the left seems to be false- to expect these countries, with these very different reasons for being, to have exactly the same criteria for multicultural immigration to create the same egalitarian society everywhere. This sanctimoneous expectation in extreme seems to be a form of colonialism in and of itself and goes against the existence of differences that make any country exist.
As Natasha says- Israel as an idea, state, country, nation has always been Anticolonial.
Pesach, Purim and Chanuka are just some of the Anticolonial festivals in the Jewish religion teaching principles for Jewish society- all of which involve the ideal of an independent country- Israel.- one of the few examples that obviously was never an expanding empire of such scale- the accusation of colonialism is therefore a classic Antisemitic style inversion
There is a tension in these discussions between conservatives who think the world is best organised as different national country states with international agreements - against - liberals, neo liberals and then all of the left who want the world to tend to less borders and less nations/ countries. The first set of people accept difference in humanity manifested in different countries free to choose the nature of their society. The second set think that- removing/ reducing definitions, borders and smaller countries -will create a better world for humanity to thrive even in a region where democracy hardly exists..
I think the first set are more realistic and closer to the reality of dynamic flexible nature unfixed from its neighbour's views formed by different environments. Where as the second set hold onto a belief which has been shown to ultimately reduce freedoms with structures that are too big to notice difference- which cannot be denied as is the weather system, geology and topography of different lands creating different situations and empathies. A balancing act is always is at play between these ideologies.
Any new country started on the basis of a
---- national right to self determination---
for a people with a commonality must have a majority of that particular ethnic people otherwise the phrase and raisen d'etre would be meaningless. - an attempt to destroy the identity of a country is an attempt to destroy the country. I know- its obvious!- it is just strange so many people act as if it isn't.
This counts for all new countries formed in 20th C after wider context conflict, end of colonial empires and 2 world wars, Holocaust. E.G. others-Jordan or Pakistan. Very weird how this inconvenient, overriding, overwhelming context is almost always left out of debates
In terms of nations, populations and their neighbours- size does matter.
The big manipulation or wilful mistake made by anti Zionists is to transfer words like Apartheid from one geopolitical context to a completely different one elsewhere for false extrapolation- to demonise- just as Antisemitism takes a seed of plausibility and then makes it falsely grotesque fooling people or creating convenient agreements in hatred.
'Indiginous' - another word misused for this land- this time by both sides. Being a crossroads between 3 continents ithis land was never isolated in the way indigenous peoples of Americas or Australia were for thousands of years.
The word is often therefore transported into this particular discussion from elsewhere. With thr Palestinian side colonialism is falsely usually implied as the context when 'indiginous' is conjoured- -whilst few people notice how inappropriate the word 'indiginous' is for the particular geography and transient history of land of Israel.
If definition and language are important, clarity is to say- Israel is the Jewish ancestral homeland.
-22 Arab ethnostates -extreme unequal versions- and not a teenth of the fuss in Western politics , institutions, media and university campuses.
This all agrees with Natasha Hausdorff's main point- about the hateful singling out of Israel for things most states do in representing a majority identity- as if that is negative - just because the identity happens to be Jewish- that singling out is Antisemitic.
The poor and manipulative assumption made by Israel haters is to suggest any mention of a homeland is akin to 1930s German politics stating ' the fatherland'- hence its ugly to state you have a homeland as if minorities do not count. This is an example of very low definition thinking.purposefully devoid of context- symptomatic of Antisemites/Anti zionists.
Most Palestinian activists in the West will pejoratively call Israel 'an ethnostate ' hatefuly as anathema to 'Progressive' politics. The fact there are 22 Arab ethnostates and Palestinian Arabs want a 23d Arab ethnostate is total lost on the useful idiots/ Palestinian activists in the West
We can see it.
I took her definition to mean that there is not one set of values for Zionism. There are Zionists of every creed, with different ideologies and beliefs. So, you might want one type of population, I would want a different one, and Moshe Groise would prefer another. Yet we are all Zionists because we agree on the one principle of the right of Jews for self-determination. I would go further, even if the traitor Gideon Levi was to accept this principle, by definition, even a traitor like him, holding on to the rest of his sick views, would be considered a Zionist. The history of Zionism is filled with leftists who were true Zionists. Yes, in recent years Arab murder attacks increased so drastically that more and more leftist Zionists are giving up on dreams and become more realistic. And of course, crazy ones like Gideon (thankfully very few) go the other way. But to take us back to the main point, Zionism is a coat of many colours, and only racists like Hassan would try to pretend that it is an Ideology established on the definition they chose.
@@user-vh1mn9ne1f Agreed.
Strangely even Noam Chomsky has said he is a Zionist in a certain context.
Gideon Levy I think is Lord Levy's son . Lord Levy is a big Zionist who played a finance fund raising role for Tony Blair's New Labour always making efforts for UK / Israel diplomacy and support.
Imagine what discussions are like in that family! ...oh, actually I can- similar to Corbynistas in my extended family- we don't!
@@MartinU4179 Yes Chomsky is a good example, even someone like him if he accepts the right of Jews for self-determination, is a Zionist.
I don't think that Gideon is related to Lord Levy, it is unlikely. However, I did read that Gideon had a massive fallout with his own son over Zionism, and I am not surprised. I would rather be an orphan than be related to someone like him.
One of the most strongest speeches ever made.Excellent job Natasha 👌
what a brilliant force for truth and goodness Natasha is. Seeing this debate is like seeing the difference between light and darkness, good and evil. Vile antisemites and the precious children of the only true God.
Wow! 😮❤
Thank you.
As much as I love Natasha, which I do. I'm surprised she overdo Douglas he was always brilliant.
And note how he looks at her with admiration, respect and confidence. They make a great team!
The analogy with a couple talking about whether to have a baby, having it and then deciding to get rid of it, was brilliant. You have to deal with what has happened in history and not try to erase it. Accept it and try to make the best of the current situation.
Wow. What a powerful, compelling speech.
The Palestinian Orchestra was a Jewish Orchestra.
The Palestinian Post was a Jewish Newspaper.
The Jews were the original "Palestinians."
Not these invaders from who knows where.
True!
Except that we do know from where.
Please share this important list.
Just like Saddam Hussein al-Takriti who was born in Tikrit Iraq, the surnames of the Palestinians indicate the place of origin and tribal affiliation
Here is a list of common Palestinian names:
Masri = Egypt (Mushir al-Masri, Hamas spokesman)
Akkar = City Akkar Lebanon (Akkar terrorist Ibrahim)
Chamys = Bahrain
Al Farouk = Iraq
Al-Arjun = Morocco
Do-fi Lubnan = Lebanon
Al-Mughrabi = Maghreb = Morocco
Al-G'zir = Algiers
Zarqawi = Zarqa city in Jordan
Al-Iamani = Yemen
Al-Afghani = Afghanistan
Al-Frang'i = "foreigner" name-calling to Europeans
Al-Hindi = India
Hamaty = Hama Syria
Ottman = Turkey
Allawi = Syria
Halavi = Aleppo, Syria
Dag'ani = Saudi Arabia
Matar Matar = village people of Yemen
Al-Kurd = Kurdistan
Al-Baghdadi = Iraq
Tarabolsi = Tripoli Lebanon
Hourani = Horan Syria
Husseini = Saudi Arabia. Claim that they are the descendants of Muhammad
Servo = Egypt
Bardawil = Lake Bardawil, Egypt
Nashashibi = Syria
Throttled = Bosnia
Zoabi = Iraq
Turkish = Turkey
Hadadin = Yemen
Abu Sitta = Clan Taravin Egypt
Al-Azad = Yemen
Al-Hijazi = Saudi Arabia
Al-Tamimi = Saudi Arabia
Al-Quarashi = Saudi Arabia
Murad = Yemen
Al-Obeid = City Sudan
Al-Trtir = Village Trtir Egypt
Tamari = Saudi Arabia
Zubaidi = Clan Zubaidi Iraq
Al-silicate = Create Lebanon
Al-Tzidawi = Sidon Lebanon
Faiyum Governorate = Fayoum Egypt
Shaalan = Egypt Bedouins
Hamdan = Yemen
Al-Banna = Egypt
Giscala Maronites, Christians who came from Greece and Malta
Tzrksim Caucasus = Bedouins who invaded Egypt
And do not forget the world's most famous Palestinian
Arafat al-Qudwa, all his life claimed he was born in Jerusalem! Arafat was born in Cairo, and his tribe al-Qudwa originate in Aleppo in Syria "AL QUDWA".
Related to Felix Hausdorff from maths? Or just another common name of the brilliant Jews like Feynman, Caruana, Fischer, Nepomniachtchi, Tal, Spassky, Vachier-Lagrave, Giri, Guramishvili, et al?
From what I read, Natasha's ancestors came from Leipzig, which is the same town where Felix Hausdorff was from. But Natasha's family settled in Jerusalem in 1846. So, there is a likelihood of family connection but with a several generations gap.
@@AdelinaMuller wwoooowww nice. thanks for the info. do you agree caruana, Vachier-Lagrave, Giri, Guramishvili are jewish?
NATASHA IS TOO PERFECT. LOVE HER. EMMA WATSON YOU GOT LEGIT COMPETITION
3rd: Douglas Murray is pretty good, but what's your opinion of the debating skills of these other Zionists?
1- Mosab Yousef
2- Shmuley Boteach
3- Yishai Fleisher
4- Ben Shapiro (or maybe this an N/A? Lol)
5- Alan Dershowitz
6- Emily Schrader
7- Lex Fridman
8- Piers Morgan
9- Terry Oved
I mean, just because I agree with them doesn't mean I think they won every single debate.
Israel STAYS!
She just said that Palestinians are the ones that live in Palestine like Europeans are the ones who live in Europe but I know that the majority of the World won’t understand this and try to create their version of History.
I don't think you understood.
She explained that the people known at the time as Palestinians, were the Jews. Her grandparents.
@@AdelinaMuller
She meant that Palestinians don’t exist as a People but as the ones living in that Geographical area.
The term Palestinians is a pejorative term for the Jews.
No Jew calls himself/herself a Palestinian.
Your sentence's intentions could be clearer. Please explain what you mean.
@luisdotgarcia Today Jews do not call themselves Palestinians, but before the state of Israel was reestablished, they did, It was the other way around.
The Jews were the Palestinians, and the Arabs were known as the local Arab population.
Look it up, look for the Palestinian national football team playing against Australia. All Jews.
There was even an "airliner" Air Palestine, in Hebrew.
Many Arabs objected to the name Palestine, or Palestina in Hebrew, because it was a synonym for The Land of Israel.
As was written in Hebrew on every Mandatory coin, note, stamp and any official paper you think of.
Remind those college students that the Jews in Palestine caught colonization and called for independence. That declaration as Natasha said in past gave them authority of the entire area controlled by the British. The Jews removed a colonial super power
How to watch full version? She did s great job. So smart and eloquent.
Link is in the description at the top
Argument becomes impossible because truth claims are attacked as expressions of class interest, bigotry, or psychosis. The aim of jihad is to establish the whole world as Islamic. Jihad is a broad set of very effective methods of Political Islam for achieving the goal of subjugating Kafirs (all non-Muslims) and non-Islamic civilizations, which eventually results in their annihilation. The the ideology of Hamas is Political Islam.
Ha.... her grand parents were labelled as Palestinians.... Where is that place?
British Mandate Palestine in this instance, I believe.
Natasha is the most talented and super professional. It was a pleasure to hear her and learn from the arguments she presented.
I knew who Douglas Murray was but i didn't know who Natasha was at the start of the debate. But I'm absolutely impressed by Natasha for such convincing arguments. More power to Douglas and Natasha.
She's so elegant, she never lets her anger dominate her. Her voice never cracks. She always tells the truth and she's genuinely sympathetic to palestinian Arabs and wants peace. That's why she can't be defeated. She actually cares more about innocent palestinian civilians than Mehdi does. Mehdi sees them as traitors and unislamic. He hates Israelis more than he cares for them.
Well said
Amazing!
She was savage in taking down Hasan. Absolutely brilliant.
Thank you so much for telling Gideon Levi off. He looks so miserable, disgruntled and negative like Norman Finkelstein (and other self hating Jews). Strangely, he has been somewhat missing from the TV panels in Israel, even the more leftist leaning ones; that should tell you something about the shift that is occuring in Israel.
Finkelstein is appallingly anti-Semitic. I honestly think he’s a psychiatric case: some sort of rebellion against the father which morphs into a hatred of authority and perpetual rebelliousness.
I'm a Norwegian atheist and I wholeheartedly support Israel!
Wow..she is on 🔥
Full debate anywhere???
💥 Fantastic analogy 💥
Who won the debate?
Do you need to ask?
Truth won, and justice was done.
She is speaking the truth!
Very eloquent. I searched youtube to see if I could find more of this debate. How sad I felt when I received a page full of videos praising Mehdi Hasan, extolling his deconstruction of "Zionist lies" by the likes of Novara media and Hasan Piker.
They are just poor losers.😂
This speech is so good it belongs in a movie.
Tsion, not Zion. In hebrew that word's first letter is not a Zain but a Tsade. The meaning is highly different.
This chick is so sharp in her debate. She may turn Douglas Murray straight.
Brilliant woman. Articulate and eloquent.
Excellent
Fantastic woman!