That a good, whilst at the same time, the fact of it is beyond worrying. The future survival and thriving of the human race is at stake, if it finds itself incapable of facing reality. This is a 'three days ago', YT, according to what I see, and, I AM concerned, that after Nigel Farage, UK, has just, very recently then, has made de-banking and the, Environmental Social Governance, project, the Great Reset, public knowledge, concerned that this isn't the number one topic, on sites that are working with the dangers humankind is facing.
Do you remember the comment sections of newspaper articles in the early 00's? They were full of trolls, but you could always see when the journalist had lost the audience. It's no wonder they no longer allow them.
But is it a lie if they believe what they’re saying. I saw the debate. They actually believed what they are saying. Goldberg used the phrase “ideological capture” four times as if she knew what it meant AS she was arguing from a very narrow range of ideology which has captured her thought. Slavoj Zizek’s film “The Pervert’s Guide to Ideology” shows us just how pernicious Ideology can be.
The Gladwell performance is a case study in cognitive dissonance. Douglas Murray is spot on - Gladwell did not listen and hallucinated opinions. It’s what happens when we despise other people before knowing a single accurate thing about them.
I've found Gladwell on several of the "swells" get togethers: BookNotes/PBS/TED Talks.. So I've read at least one of his books. "The Bomber Mafia" was so unstructured as to be unintelligible
This is very interesting. I’ve read three of Malcolm Gladwell’s books and really enjoyed them. Learnt a lot from him. So now my eyes are wide open in surprise! Huge admiration for Douglas Murray, in everything he does.
That may have been in response to Malcolm's multiple misnaming Matti Taibbi's last name as Tiabby (or some such) and insinuations of Matt being racist, etc.
I was in attendance at that debate and can confirm the audience was groaning at Gladwell's performance. We had gone into the debate only really knowing Malcolm Gladwell, having read a few of his books (He was arguably the reason for our attendance). A few of us were shattered and alienated by his low road approach to debating and the tired / predictable use of his "white supremacist" accusations.
Hopefully soon, all will realize just how deep the sickness and wickedness runs in the "free" West. The rest of the world has been screaming it since 1945.
I've NEVER been even remotely impressed with him intellectually, and I have wondered why other people are. With his books it's as though he takes well-known basic truths that can be conveyed in one sentence, but he'll elaborate them into 450 pages. Like, "to succeed you have to put in a lot of hard work". Or, "things change slowly at first, and then at some point they cross a threshold and change quickly". I instantly get it, and don't need the extra 449 pages to help me understand. Gladwell is a pseudo-intellectual, or, an intellectual for stupid people.
It was truly a cringe-inducing bloodbath, especially when he essentially annihilated Gladwell's credibility for life by way of detailing what Gladwell got disastrously wrong about Ireland in his book. Murray had attempted politeness up until that point but finally tired of Gladwell's goading -- and accusing Murrary & Taibbi of being white racists whilst himself defending the old-guard white press -- so I felt zero sympathy that Gladwell got it both barrels.
I remember thinking Gladwell was aa smart and interesting speaker.. that was before I knew how much the news was lying. That was really satisfying to see how deranged he is now because I've seen aquantences and friends being deranged and I never know if I am somehow to blame. Looking back at things though there is an impossible standard of dishonesty being demanded in Canadian life. I overheard two immigrants on a date saying "Canadians are nice... but aren't they phoney!?" This is what this leftist maoist woke ideology has done to Canada.
False. I despise Peter Hitchens but that does not mean I would come in bad faith. And not only because the high road would be the best tactic against Peter Hitchens.
I absolutely adore Douglas Murray. Such a refreshing and unique combination of razor sharp intellect and incisive sense of humor. The man is fearless and righteous in the best sense of the word.
I wouldn't go as far as adore, but I agree he is fearless and righteous. And fascinating. The lying, bullying media stands no chance and I'm happy to watch him wipe the floor with them.
Bravo Douglas Murray - I once had held Malcolm Gladwell in high regard however, his contempt towards Douglas during the debate was shocking and the audience voting 67% (Pro) vs. 33% (Con) should give Malcolm serious pause. Douglas, thank you for what you do, and thank you Jordan for posting this highlight.
Considering Douglas open disdain for immigration policies, and Malcolm’s family history of immigration, it’s hardly shocking. Misplaced, mistimed, but not shocking.
I agree. That was the first time I watched Douglas and the last time I watched Gladwell. "Malc" just came across as just a pompous, sanctimonious prick who clearly thought he was the cleverest guy in the room and was savagely cut down by Douglas and Matt. They kept to the point and their perspective, which was that there is lack of trust in the media, and he just kept making cheap shots while not addressing the point. IMO, there is a lack of trust in the media because people like him think they are smart enough to lie to the peasantry and we will not notice. He got a rude awakening that day.
@SuperChrisDub It was because Malcolm was being rude and calling Douglas "Doug" even though Douglas tried to correct him quite a few times throughout the debate.
I saw this debate prior to this video. I walked in a HUGE fan of Gladwell’s, and once the absolutely out-of-left-field racist allegations started getting dropped over and over again, I was like, damn… I had this guy totally wrong. I’ve never had such a 180 turn on a speaker following a performance than this one.
@@sylaq I like Gladwells books, they pick up on some interesting angles and explanations. Though some of his examples are forced into the narrative and inaccurately described, they make interesting points in an entertaining way.
I defended Gladwell a lot before this debate but this sent him into the irredeemable stratosphere. It was chilling how much he and his debate partner just ignored what Murray and Taibbi said and relentlessly gaslighted. This is what they did in a public debate, imagine what they do behind closed doors at their media outlet.
I had enjoyed a lot of Gladwell's work previously as well. It was staggering to see him act the way he did. Makes me question how accurate my perceptions are on other people.
Gladwell's writings prove that he - and most Leftists - exist in a bubble that is shiny on the inside, among their own ilk. Get them outside the bubble, their arguments are as shallow as a birdbath.
I had read a few of Malcolm Gladwells books and loved them. The monk debate... my jaw dropped. I can't understand how someone can write those books, and simultaneously be such an disingenuous ideologue. Really disappointed me.
I just stumbled across this video...Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson in the same room? I was gobsmacked! I'm just an old Grandma, not the sharpest tack in the box, but am grateful to God that these two men grace this earth.
I remember when Gladwell was all the rage, I read his book about practicing for 10,000 hours since my girlfriend owned a copy. He was absolutely marvelous at projecting this authoritative confidence, the sense of knowing the universe's hidden secrets, I could see why he was so popular and felt that sense of being enthralled by this new religion of self-improvement. And at the same time I read him mention that The Beatles became who they were because they played so many club gigs in Germany before they went back to Manchester and exploded, got their 10,000 hours in. But I knew the history of The Beatles, they struggled playing well at concerts throughout the 60s, they weren't ever world class musicians during that time. They were successful because John Lennon was such a creative dynamo, and he teamed up with Paul McCartney who was another creative dynamo. They loved music and were hyper-creative and it paid off in their song writing, they knew plenty of good music to ape and how to make it hipper for the 60s, for their style. And I realized Gladwell had no clue what he was talking about, he was just spinning a ridiculous narrative so he'd have something to hang his wonderful guru writing style across.
Yes, the basic facts about practicing for thousands of hours was known. Gladwell obviously made his narrative seem like a revelation, when in fact the successful people who he references in 'Outliers' have a far more complex story to tell!!
This largely isn’t true and Gladwell got this one correct. The Beatles were an incredibly tight live band after spending those years in Hamburg. They only struggled at concerts later due to the deafening screams playing in front of huge crowds without monitors. But they were still great live.
Douglas was THE adult in the room, it was very clear. His point about listening is crucial. It's incredible the responses he comes up with directly based on what he's listened to the person say. It's hard to really describe, he has tremendous processing speed.
It’s interesting to hear you talk about processing speed - I used to be a very strong chess grandmaster but every once in a while I’d play someone who just had a vastly superior processing speed which made them virtually impossible to play against - there are very few people in this world who have a faster processing speed and a clarity of thought of a Douglas Murray - a truly exceptional man!
Yes, and that is how we British need to be. Absolutely unapologetic and proud of our values. Too many are cowards now, sadly!. Douglas sets a brilliant lead !!
“Oh, I listened to him.” That’s exactly right. The whole debate I kept thinking, “Gladwell is NOT paying attention.” How do you win a debate if you don’t pay attention to your opponent. Good job, Malk!
Ha ha, I'd absolutely fcvkng LOVE it if ALL Gladwell's political opponents now started calling him Malk like he rudely called Murray 'Doug'.........lol.
Two absolute legends. Not all heroes wear capes. I’m very thankful we have people like these two to combat that absolute nonsense that’s being thrown about in our society/culture. Thank you gentlemen. Don’t ever change.
My wife sent this debate to me. It was like watching an 80's movie where the sniveling elitist, snob, weasel was put in his place. I was just waiting for Matt and Douglass to do a jump high-five freeze over the credits after the post debate poll results were presented over a soundtrack of Huey Lewis and the News. So satisfying.
@@willyb92 Thank you. She absolutely is. She simultaneously gives me the feeling that she loves me just as I am and that owe it to her to not put her in a position where she has to settle for who I am today. She's also a beautiful doctor Not sure what I did to deserve her, but here we are.
I saw that debate in full and was so happy at the audience response. It was insanely obvious when watching and the fact Douglas was literally calling him out early and often was magical! Malcolm NEVER once acknowledged how wrong the media has been on most of the biggest political stories over the last few years. Pummeled
Arrogant, arrogant, the result of inbreeding, inbreeding …. The scourge of God’s chosen people, the people that think they are better than everyone else, just read their religion.
One thing that struck me during the debate was that Douglas Murray and Matt both talked about the main stream media as a whole whereas both their opponents consistently attacked Douglas and Matt personally.
@stafusyou keep repeating this on all the threads…please explain what Douglas being gay has anything to do with him publicly humiliating Malcolm Gladwell???
these two together is amazing, the feeling of knowing a conversation has 100% stability and wont derail into purposeless bullshit is comforting for sure
I have a feeling that conversation that one might consider “100% stable” are also the conversations with the least disagreement and least real arguing of positions
More, please! I want to hear more of Douglas Murray's honest debate in an ingenuous atmosphere. I find the combination of Jordan and Douglas exhilarating! You actually talk sense.
As someone who agreed with the premise that modern journalism was not to be trusted, I was excited to hear that Malcom Gladwell was going to represent the opposing side. I thought we’d get the best possible argument from him. Wow, was I ever wrong. Gladwell utterly beclowned himself. I also listened to his podcast where he delved into his failure - it was no better. He absolutely could not conceive that his own preconceptions and ideological blinders doomed him before he even opened his mouth on that stage. Sad. I sincerely enjoyed his books, but now I’m seriously questioning how many errors were made, how many assumptions are made, and how much he got wrong.
For real. I can only hope we **didn't** hear the best possible arguments in that debate, or that they were merely presented to us by a buffoon. To think otherwise is... concerning. For modern journalism, anyway. It's great fun for the rest of us. Or, it would be, if their obvious bias didn't threaten the entirety of modern western society at the same time.
Malcom literally said that bringing his personal beliefs into it doomed him before he even began. I get people hate him, but this blatant disinformation is absolutely disgusting.
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 He acknowledged that he came into the debate with a pre-conception that Douglas Murray was 'a piece of s__t', but not that his left-leaning biases were guiding his perceptions. Not a word about that.
I watched the debate with Gladwell and Michelle Goldberg and they were infantile and incapable of mature thinking. Gladwell in particular was shockingly shallow.
Gladwell (perhaps inadvertently) revealed the weakness of the modern obsession with calling everything white ‘racist’. It was like he threw it into relief, opening it up and showing how stupid it is, right down to the core.
"He's had every advantage in life, he's just a fool" haha....absolute zinger. I watched that debate and he absolutely crucified him from start to finish.
That culture, of dialogue and courteous exchange of ideas, is not gone yet, Mr. Murray. With you, Dr. Peterson and a host of others filling the vacuous hole created by online debating...hope is kept alive, if for no other reason than it (yours and Dr. Peterson's respectful approaches) is proof that it exists in the first place.
I could listen to you two for hours and hours. I particularly really like you both and read both and all of your books. You should do a mini series on some topics you both love. I bet it would be brilliant as you are super complementary to each other.
I watched that debate and while I don’t loathe Gladwell, Murray tells it here exactly as it was. He really did behave like a toddler and was deliberately very condescending.
I watched that debate a couple months ago, I had always assumed Malcolm Gladwell was a cool guy, after seeing his debate performance i decided he was such a jerk, I won’t read his books ever again.
Yeah, it was embarrassing, I hadn’t read that much of his stuff but I had though he was a good communicator of ideas, but now I’m questioning his ability to distinguish good and bad ideas
Read the comments on the RUclips channel for that debate. The vast vast majority were former fans of Malcolm who were sorely disappointed. Myself included. I could never take that man seriously again and I’ve purchased his books and listen to lotta things he said, and it takes a spectacular car crash for me to dismiss you over what you do in one debate, but this was beyond. I thought he would’ve been an intelligent person to make some good points for the other side but instead, he just tried to accuse Matt and Douglass of being racist? It was cowardly and pathetic, and I lost absolutely all respect for him.
Man, one of Jordan's biggest inspirations is his ability to try and articulate the best you can. 3:00 explaining being in the moment while at the same time trying to speak or explain something is, i feel, a super undervalued valuable skill
Anyone who puts themselves on the receiving end of Douglas' sense of humor deserves whatever he gets. Love listening to these two great minds having a conversation
Yes, I would love to be able to test some thoughts on him, as it were. My being tempted to argue with sophistry rather than a solid point, and his consequent "No,...", would soon embarrass me into sticking to the facts.
It wasn't really even a debate. Every time Murray made an argument, Gladwell responded with an ad hominem attack about Murray. It was obvious, after a while, that Gladwell didn't have a single valid argument.
You're just describing the modern leftist approach to politics. It's not shocking anymore to anyone paying attention that someone who spends so much time in a lefty bubble can't defend their own arguments. Things weren't like this 20 years ago.
It is a real pleasure to listen to two intelligent, well spoken gentlemen like Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson. I look forward to seeing and listening to more of the same.
Malcom's constant attacks on Taibi's ONE mention of Walter Cronkite, like he had validated Hitler, was such a juvenile method of trying to shame an opponent.
Douglass Murray is perhaps one of the sharpest minds of our time. He never goes ad hominem until his opponent does and then….. Clear the decks. He is a scathing example of why one should never mess with the Irish! Just Sayin! I’m a fan!
One of the first times I became aware of him was on a podcast in which he was discussing moral licensing. The example was referring to people who say things like "My best friend is black, I can't be racist". Malcolm was saying this gave one moral licensing to be secretly racist in other ways. I laughed because i realised it hasn't occurred to these people that they're not actually dealing with racists at all. So they invent psychologically complex bypasses to return to their belief. "Oh, he's just morally licensing himself.". Pathetic and shallow.
Gladwell thinks others operate like that because that's how he operates. In his mind, it's ok if he has racial prejudice against others if it's "for the greater good".
My favorite college professor had me read Outliers and I was able to go through every argument in that book and break down flaws in them. I look back at that and feel it was a large step for me thinking for myself.
@danielnaberhaus5337 I can, but I can't go into full detail because I don't want to write an essay in the RUclips comments. 1st chapter was about birthdays in sports lining up with cutoff dates in youth sports, but he limited the sample to just hockey and applied it to all sports which have varying cutoff dates by different localities ( I played 10u and 12u baseball in 2 leagues at the same time based on my birthday). 10,000 hours I kinda agree with but the definition of a category is kinda vague. Do I need to practice 10k hours at golf, or are drivers, irons, and putting different skills? Are all hours equal? If I play the same song on guitar for that long I won't be a master of guitar so there must be a level of discomfort in practice. I found the chapter about the culture of honor to be very different from my life experience though I'd have to reread it to be more specific. I also found the chapter about rich kids being more likely to speak out the opposite of my experience.
@@fake_name841 Thanks! I noticed that books like Outliers and David and Goliath each attribute success to different causes/ingredients, one to advantages, and the other to adversity. I liked reading his books but in the end, they need to explain the discrepancies in his body of work.
The discrepancies are due to selective choices. This is why he did so poorly in the debate. He isn't used to hearing another side or even to care to hear it.
I'm a leftie on most measures and I've followed Matt Taibbi for years, so it was a joy to watch Douglas Murray especially in that debate. I never really knew who Malcolm Gladwell was beforehand but I'm glad I never wasted my time with him. As a leftie, it has been absolutely baffling to me how my political side have tricked themselves into defending corporate media, big pharma, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, the FBI, and the Military-Industrial Complex... all the institutions we were once very critical of. That's what not only Trump Derangement Syndrome does but also Obama/Democrat Delusion Syndrome does too.
Well stated! It’s a significant theoretical contradiction and with the US Democratic Party in particular they ride on this absurd perception they care about constituents, they don’t but they are the worst because they pretend to.
I'm assuming you're an American, because in the UK, we politically differentiate between liberals and the Left. The Left are completely noble in their desire to improve the material circumstances of the working-class. Liberals, however, have merely highjacked some of the Left's talking points for their own, and the aforementioned's (Big pharma, Sillicon Vally, Regime media) financial ambitions. Gladwell is a liberal, he's not a Leftist.
@sylaq1141 You got that backwards - probably on purpose. Liberalism believes in Liberty, whereas Leftism supports its complete opposite, Socialism. George Orwell once believed that socialism would help the worker; British mining men often lost their teeth down in the shafts of industry - but once he found capitalism in fact was doing just that and the socialists HATED it (the worker was only a useful idiot to be thrown in the gulag after the revolution), he renounced socialism. That's why his books are so accurate: only James Lindsey better understands Leftist dialectics.
Thanks God that people like Douglas Murray exist. I lived 25 years under comunism and I am sick of these make believe neo-communist corporate creeps. All the concepts that people lile Malcolm are so enloved with, we studied with a discipline called "Scientific Socialism". And now i have to listen tonthe same nonsense again? I am coming from their future. Douglas Murray is not only a classy intelectual but also a true gentleman.
Two great men just sitting having a conversation that while very intellectual, it is done in a manner anyone wing a basic high school understanding can understand and benefit from. My father always told me I can learn more from listening to an intelligent person talk about the weather than from reading a book about philosophy. He said the book will require several parts reread and research to understand the knowledge in it while an intelligent person shares the knowledge, they impart with the intention that the listener comprehends it.
Gentlemen… I love your logic and common sense approach to life in a time filled with liars and cowards. Only courage and tenacity will save the individual from drowning in a sea of ineptitude and misery. THANK YOU for your efforts… it is appreciated.
I learned by listening to people who knew how to talk. I learn every time i listen to Douglas and Jordan and my reading list grows in strength. Douglas, Jordan, please discuss the most influential talkers you admire.
Two of the most intelligent, well-spoken men breathing air today. Appreciate them both very much. Hope I am blessed to shake their hands at some point!
"...you need to be doing the thinking on the page so that the reader can do the thinking along with you." Thank you so much for that insight. For some reason this line hit me hard today and it made sense of many things I have been thinking about lately. Thank you!
Opposite for me, I’d love to debate him - have him find flaws in my reasoning where he can find them. The goal ought to be to think together, rather than « win ».
Who couldn't appreciate this conversation between two gentlemen at the top of their fields. I'm not an academic, but boy do these chaps speak in plain English that I can understand. Thank you for your insight.
From the first podcasts to now I find it so amazing to see how Jordan has slowly developed the perfect timing to intervene while letting the interview flow naturally. I remember the earlier videos where they used to step over each others toes (JP and the guest) but it has become a lot more organic now.
Douglas Murray is a pleasure to listen to. His voice is like smooth butter. His insults are so smart that he could insult me and i would not know and feel he complimented me.
His delivery is often great as well. He'll get a look in his eye, a slowly emerging look of mischief in his face, as his voice liquidly articulates some funny implication. Often he entertains by implying things very slyly and wittily.
I used to hate confrontational shouting matches. But God led me to Douglas Murray, and I'm getting stronger, and although I still find interrupting screechy women hard to take, I'm finding myself stronger, to get through a debate, as long as Douglas is part of it! 🤟
You both made a very interesting point which I am personally very guilty of is hearing something said and locking on that point. And at that time e stop listening. I really appreciate both of your intellects and great talent in the art of conversation. And how you both stand tall with your beliefs with great courage against such awful and uncivilized behavior all the time. God bless you both and keep that torch lit.
I watched this debate and either Malcolm has completely lost it or he tricked all of us into thinking he is worth taking seriously. He had nothing of value to say
I too was baffled. Charitably, I’d suggest it was cognitive dissonance (a case study in cognitive dissonance). However I’m not 100% certain he isn’t just a fraud with Mickey Mouse ideas that sound smart, on the surface. Sadly, I now reconsider everything he has suggested as « to be verified, rather twice than once ».
@jordankimball2014 - I used to think that Gladwell was a half-decent writer. But his debate performance was so poor that I felt embarrassed for him. He was arrogant, disrespectful, and dishonest. I lost all respect for him. And the fact that, months later, in talking about his shambolic debate performance, he was still unwilling to admit that he was wrong, only underscores how much of a fraud he is.
intersection ethics breaks minds. How can people hold the contradictions? His mind is damaged from the bad ideas that are so easy to debunk the leftists stayed in bubbles that have made their minds sick. These people aren't used to people challenging their ideas. Canada is sick right now. Ottawa is really sick.
I watched that debate, it was incredible. The truly astronomical levels of bad will and laziness from Gladwell's side compared to the intellectual honesty and debating genius on the other side was stunning.
These two men are two of my most respected speakers of the last ten years. I enjoy listening to them both and trying to understand. I wish I could attend a class where one or the other was speaking so that maybe I could ask a question about the topics.
I came into watching that debate having such a high opinion of Malcolm Gladwell... read his books, listened to him over the years on various platforms.... but that high opinion got turned on it's head for good after watching his pathetic/disgusting performance. Really showed his true colors, that elitist, condescending SOB. SO thankful for Douglas Murray for how he handled him.
One of Douglas’ many strengths is the ability to keep his head with extreme provocation. He let Malcolm off his rudeness on a number of occasions, before he went for the jugular and by this point the audience were itching for it, rather like the number of insults and assaults before the Hulk hulks up.
Murray definitely had a few "Hulk smash" moments......lol. Not enough in my opinion though, as Gladwell was asking to get punched in the face, but Murray kept it civil. THAT was actually how he made Gladwell look the fool he was portraying to be!!
Murray is my all time favorite when it comes to debates. I loved seeing him debate issues on Islam years ago. He will smack you down and with straight class.
Gladwell's podcast on his defeat was fairly good. He does a good, dramatic introduction building up to his utter defeat. Temporarily boosted my opinion of him after Murray destroyed him. The main issue with the podcast, other than bringing his mother in, was that he only got to "listen better to better refute" rather than "consider his opponents may have a point".
Actually, Malcom had been so desperate for the cure, he devoted himself to finding the magic pill that would erase that horrible debate. He fell upon listening. But if you listened to his words, he STILL claims Murray & Taibbi were stunting for Cronkite & worse, believing that the debate was won by his side! Cognitive dissonance is showing it’s slip on his debate reply.
Never have I seen a man so throughly undressed, thrown to the ground, pissed on, told not to get the f up, to just lay down and take your place. Good job Douglas.
Well stated sir, I saw the same debate and I was really hoping for a rousing discussion. Instead Gladwell and Roseburg were just pretending that the last 20 years of history, news, and journalism didn't exist. Like there was a void of any truth that could describe the Left going off the rails and threatening the most vital institutions of western civilization. Brave intellectuals like Murray and Peterson among others have been debunking their nonsense for 20 years and they haven't yet gotten the memos.
I ❤ Douglas Murray, acerbic, honest, intelligent and brave. JBP and DM in the same room is perfect listening for those that are wanting more than the sound bite agenda driven blah blah we're all force f d on a daily basis.
MG actually quoted Twain around 4 decades ago in his graduating highschool yearbook comment: "Never let your schooling interfere with your education." He should've maybe considered adding "Never let your high opinion of yourself interfere with it either."
I watched the debate. Whatever regard I once may have had for Malcolm evaporated when I saw his smug demeanour towards those who were, in fact, despite his self-assurance, giving him the sound thrashing of a lifetime. The echoes of cane snapping across his raw rump will resound down the corridors of time till the crack of doom.
I used to recommend his books during business consulting, but took them off the list after watching his behaviour on that debate. MG also kept mispronouncing Matt Taibbi’s name in what looked to be on purpose.
@@GarryAndrews_ it always pained me seeing how many people fell for his nonsense. Everything he writes is bunk. I can’t stand that he gets away with it.
@@ANonymous-mo6xp I'm at this point myself. The progressive ideology, in its complete embrace of subjectivism/rejection of the idea of objective truth, has left no avenue to resolve disagreements. There's not a greater principle, the truth, that we can submit ourselves for adjudication to. There's literally no "nice" that can be played with them and thus they're simply not welcome in my space or my world anymore.
I watched this debate just yesterday. It was a massacre! Murray is correct. They didn't listen...at all. They just kept repeating the same tired old tropes that they get away with in their own echo chambers. I was embarrassed for them, truly.
I watched this, watched the debate and then came back and watched this. Murray hits the nail on the head about Gladwell and his ilk. That man has no business being in a public speaking role let alone the Monk Debate.
Telling lies to large groups of people and being assured they'll get away with it captures the ethos of modern journalism/media. Well said, Douglas.
That a good, whilst at the same time, the fact of it is beyond worrying.
The future survival and thriving of the human race is at stake, if it finds itself incapable of facing reality.
This is a 'three days ago', YT, according to what I see, and, I AM concerned, that after Nigel Farage, UK, has just, very recently then, has made de-banking and the, Environmental Social Governance, project, the Great Reset, public knowledge, concerned that this isn't the number one topic, on sites that are working with the dangers humankind is facing.
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Do you remember the comment sections of newspaper articles in the early 00's? They were full of trolls, but you could always see when the journalist had lost the audience.
It's no wonder they no longer allow them.
But is it a lie if they believe what they’re saying. I saw the debate. They actually believed what they are saying.
Goldberg used the phrase “ideological capture” four times as if she knew what it meant AS she was arguing from a very narrow range of ideology which has captured her thought. Slavoj Zizek’s film “The Pervert’s Guide to Ideology” shows us just how pernicious Ideology can be.
They would know it’s how their industry works
The Gladwell performance is a case study in cognitive dissonance. Douglas Murray is spot on - Gladwell did not listen and hallucinated opinions. It’s what happens when we despise other people before knowing a single accurate thing about them.
Very well said
He was debating who he thought they were. The cardboard cutouts.
I've found Gladwell on several of the "swells" get togethers: BookNotes/PBS/TED Talks.. So I've read
at least one of his books. "The Bomber Mafia" was so unstructured as to be unintelligible
I so wish I could have been there! Is it on youtube somewhere?
exactly, gladwell deserves all the criticism he gets from his performance at the monk debate -
it was appalling
This is very interesting. I’ve read three of Malcolm Gladwell’s books and really enjoyed them. Learnt a lot from him. So now my eyes are wide open in surprise! Huge admiration for Douglas Murray, in everything he does.
It was a shocking debate on Gladwell's part. No arguments, just rudeness and bluster. "Well, Malc" ! Brilliant, Douglas.
That may have been in response to Malcolm's multiple misnaming Matti Taibbi's last name as Tiabby (or some such) and insinuations of Matt being racist, etc.
I was in attendance at that debate and can confirm the audience was groaning at Gladwell's performance. We had gone into the debate only really knowing Malcolm Gladwell, having read a few of his books (He was arguably the reason for our attendance). A few of us were shattered and alienated by his low road approach to debating and the tired / predictable use of his "white supremacist" accusations.
Hopefully soon, all will realize just how deep the sickness and wickedness runs in the "free" West. The rest of the world has been screaming it since 1945.
I've NEVER been even remotely impressed with him intellectually, and I have wondered why other people are. With his books it's as though he takes well-known basic truths that can be conveyed in one sentence, but he'll elaborate them into 450 pages. Like, "to succeed you have to put in a lot of hard work". Or, "things change slowly at first, and then at some point they cross a threshold and change quickly". I instantly get it, and don't need the extra 449 pages to help me understand. Gladwell is a pseudo-intellectual, or, an intellectual for stupid people.
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It would have been nice to hear Douglas call him Mal a few times
@@kerrylewisRNhe did😂 he called him Malc. I was well placed too
It was truly a cringe-inducing bloodbath, especially when he essentially annihilated Gladwell's credibility for life by way of detailing what Gladwell got disastrously wrong about Ireland in his book. Murray had attempted politeness up until that point but finally tired of Gladwell's goading -- and accusing Murrary & Taibbi of being white racists whilst himself defending the old-guard white press -- so I felt zero sympathy that Gladwell got it both barrels.
Well said sir
I remember thinking Gladwell was aa smart and interesting speaker.. that was before I knew how much the news was lying. That was really satisfying to see how deranged he is now because I've seen aquantences and friends being deranged and I never know if I am somehow to blame. Looking back at things though there is an impossible standard of dishonesty being demanded in Canadian life.
I overheard two immigrants on a date saying "Canadians are nice... but aren't they phoney!?"
This is what this leftist maoist woke ideology has done to Canada.
@stafus yes he is. I don't think there is anyone who doesn't know that
@stafusit’s very disturbing that you are saying that under virtually every comment. Douglas being gay has no relevance.
@stafus I didn't know that, but I fail to see the relevance in bringing it up
“ *Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought* ”
That's a great quote.
@@NousTrapper Great quote but probably by JFK's speech writer, Ted Sorensen.
I just love hearing Douglas Murray talk. That combination of class, wit, and razor-sharp sass 😂
Can't get enough of it!
yes, the sass is next level and yet he's really a gentleman in the best ways, fantastic
He reminds me of a character from a movie or something lol
Agreed. Bloody legend, Douglas.
Sounds like a Hollywood Bond Villain serial killer. Creepy.
@@BrainSturgeonMurray is even a more rude immature narcissist than Jordan Peterson.
Peter Hitchens nailed it: “You can not debate someone who actively despises you”
@catherineo8689 You don't sound very smart.
False. I despise Peter Hitchens but that does not mean I would come in bad faith. And not only because the high road would be the best tactic against Peter Hitchens.
I absolutely adore Douglas Murray. Such a refreshing and unique combination of razor sharp intellect and incisive sense of humor. The man is fearless and righteous in the best sense of the word.
Absolutely. Ya boo to those who say that he is a pompous, intellectually superficial, up his own arse tosspot.
I guess one can get different impressions about an individual. I find Murray to be a pompous jerk!
@@johnbrown3119 This might have more to do with you than him tbh.
I wouldn't go as far as adore, but I agree he is fearless and righteous. And fascinating. The lying, bullying media stands no chance and I'm happy to watch him wipe the floor with them.
@@Chris-ji4iu You adore him . Being adored is his birthright.
Bravo Douglas Murray - I once had held Malcolm Gladwell in high regard however, his contempt towards Douglas during the debate was shocking and the audience voting 67% (Pro) vs. 33% (Con) should give Malcolm serious pause. Douglas, thank you for what you do, and thank you Jordan for posting this highlight.
Considering Douglas open disdain for immigration policies, and Malcolm’s family history of immigration, it’s hardly shocking. Misplaced, mistimed, but not shocking.
@stafus and what is your point?
Have you reconsidered Gladwell?
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703so he allowed his emotions to get the better of him, proving how ill suited he is to debate his ideas on yet another level.
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 Immigration is a bad ifea. Case closed.
Douglas calling Malcom “Malc” will go down as one of the most legendary executions on a debate stage.
Dude I was laughing so hard 😂
Savage!
I agree. That was the first time I watched Douglas and the last time I watched Gladwell. "Malc" just came across as just a pompous, sanctimonious prick who clearly thought he was the cleverest guy in the room and was savagely cut down by Douglas and Matt. They kept to the point and their perspective, which was that there is lack of trust in the media, and he just kept making cheap shots while not addressing the point. IMO, there is a lack of trust in the media because people like him think they are smart enough to lie to the peasantry and we will not notice. He got a rude awakening that day.
"Malc" called him "Doug" first.
@SuperChrisDub It was because Malcolm was being rude and calling Douglas "Doug" even though Douglas tried to correct him quite a few times throughout the debate.
I saw this debate prior to this video. I walked in a HUGE fan of Gladwell’s, and once the absolutely out-of-left-field racist allegations started getting dropped over and over again, I was like, damn… I had this guy totally wrong. I’ve never had such a 180 turn on a speaker following a performance than this one.
The power of free speech to reveal who has substance and who doesn't.
What was your fandom based on? One cannot assume it was through reading Gladwell's books....which are bloody awful.
@@sylaq I like Gladwells books, they pick up on some interesting angles and explanations. Though some of his examples are forced into the narrative and inaccurately described, they make interesting points in an entertaining way.
@@danielebowmansoooo… it tickled your toes.
His personal racial background and particularly Canadian leftist ideology has warped Gladwell's perceptions into a grotesque mirror image of reason.
I defended Gladwell a lot before this debate but this sent him into the irredeemable stratosphere. It was chilling how much he and his debate partner just ignored what Murray and Taibbi said and relentlessly gaslighted. This is what they did in a public debate, imagine what they do behind closed doors at their media outlet.
I had enjoyed a lot of Gladwell's work previously as well. It was staggering to see him act the way he did. Makes me question how accurate my perceptions are on other people.
Chilling
Yep. I thought for second he got recompense for throwing that fight…
Gladwell et al. get away with it as part of the MSM but when in public it becomes obvious how they think and they lost that debate.
Gladwell's writings prove that he - and most Leftists - exist in a bubble that is shiny on the inside, among their own ilk. Get them outside the bubble, their arguments are as shallow as a birdbath.
Douglas Murray is the witty, intellectual, snarky brit we didnt know we needed. So glad he has a platform.
I had read a few of Malcolm Gladwells books and loved them. The monk debate... my jaw dropped. I can't understand how someone can write those books, and simultaneously be such an disingenuous ideologue. Really disappointed me.
Because in the books you author, noone pushes back on your BS.
I had the same thought. I thought 10000 hours was good.
Two things can be true at once. Malcolm is a great story teller but a bad debater.
I liked that he at least created a podcast about his shortcomings.
@@Caleb-r3x well he was a bad debater partly because he was wrong. Whereas I thought he was reasonable in the books.
Same here …
I just stumbled across this video...Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson in the same room? I was gobsmacked! I'm just an old Grandma, not the sharpest tack in the box, but am grateful to God that these two men grace this earth.
I’m just an old great-grandma, and it seems to me that you are a pretty sharp tack in that box 👍
I remember when Gladwell was all the rage, I read his book about practicing for 10,000 hours since my girlfriend owned a copy. He was absolutely marvelous at projecting this authoritative confidence, the sense of knowing the universe's hidden secrets, I could see why he was so popular and felt that sense of being enthralled by this new religion of self-improvement. And at the same time I read him mention that The Beatles became who they were because they played so many club gigs in Germany before they went back to Manchester and exploded, got their 10,000 hours in. But I knew the history of The Beatles, they struggled playing well at concerts throughout the 60s, they weren't ever world class musicians during that time. They were successful because John Lennon was such a creative dynamo, and he teamed up with Paul McCartney who was another creative dynamo. They loved music and were hyper-creative and it paid off in their song writing, they knew plenty of good music to ape and how to make it hipper for the 60s, for their style. And I realized Gladwell had no clue what he was talking about, he was just spinning a ridiculous narrative so he'd have something to hang his wonderful guru writing style across.
Yes, the basic facts about practicing for thousands of hours was known. Gladwell obviously made his narrative seem like a revelation, when in fact the successful people who he references in 'Outliers' have a far more complex story to tell!!
This largely isn’t true and Gladwell got this one correct. The Beatles were an incredibly tight live band after spending those years in Hamburg. They only struggled at concerts later due to the deafening screams playing in front of huge crowds without monitors. But they were still great live.
Manchester? The Beatles came from Manchester? I don't think so.
@@kenwood5575 : lol, Liverpool. Somebody had been watching Man U.
I think Gladwell did reference that in his book... basic talent combined with the 10000 hours.
Douglas was THE adult in the room, it was very clear. His point about listening is crucial. It's incredible the responses he comes up with directly based on what he's listened to the person say. It's hard to really describe, he has tremendous processing speed.
It’s interesting to hear you talk about processing speed - I used to be a very strong chess grandmaster but every once in a while I’d play someone who just had a vastly superior processing speed which made them virtually impossible to play against - there are very few people in this world who have a faster processing speed and a clarity of thought of a Douglas Murray - a truly exceptional man!
It's incredible this has to be said in a debate for adults!!
And douglas listens like an attentive child, listening intently
Hearing him actually say "I still don't feel pity," was way better than reading it!
Yes, and that is how we British need to be. Absolutely unapologetic and proud of our values. Too many are cowards now, sadly!. Douglas sets a brilliant lead !!
Watching the roll of his eyes just after he’d said it was even better
😂😂😂 yep..I laughed out loud
“Oh, I listened to him.” That’s exactly right. The whole debate I kept thinking, “Gladwell is NOT paying attention.” How do you win a debate if you don’t pay attention to your opponent. Good job, Malk!
Ha ha, I'd absolutely fcvkng LOVE it if ALL Gladwell's political opponents now started calling him Malk like he rudely called Murray 'Doug'.........lol.
These sorts of people don't debate. They lecture to sycophants.
Malk: Now with Vitamin R!
Two absolute legends. Not all heroes wear capes. I’m very thankful we have people like these two to combat that absolute nonsense that’s being thrown about in our society/culture. Thank you gentlemen. Don’t ever change.
Just to say, their ability to 'change' is what has resulted in their being prodigious and incisive thinkers.
Spot on.
I wish they were better at it. Idk about Douglas but Peterson has been slipping
Peterson is the hero of the people. Smart people have smart heroes.
@@jepulis6674 did you write your comment like this on purpose?
My wife sent this debate to me. It was like watching an 80's movie where the sniveling elitist, snob, weasel was put in his place. I was just waiting for Matt and Douglass to do a jump high-five freeze over the credits after the post debate poll results were presented over a soundtrack of Huey Lewis and the News. So satisfying.
🎵 That’s the power of love! 🎵
Just wanna let you know you have a keeper if your wife was the one who showed this to you.
Very funny image @jonnya3425 Well done!
@@willyb92 Thank you. She absolutely is. She simultaneously gives me the feeling that she loves me just as I am and that owe it to her to not put her in a position where she has to settle for who I am today.
She's also a beautiful doctor
Not sure what I did to deserve her, but here we are.
Hilarious
What I love about Jordan is that he thinks out loud and you get to follow along
Dialectical thought in action. Acknowledging the inherent ambiguity, nuance, and relativity in language. Noam Chomsky called it "thinking correctly."
Has helped so much in my life.
I absolutely love listening to you both and your debates.
You gentlemen are my favorites.
Please keep up your great work.
I saw that debate in full and was so happy at the audience response. It was insanely obvious when watching and the fact Douglas was literally calling him out early and often was magical! Malcolm NEVER once acknowledged how wrong the media has been on most of the biggest political stories over the last few years. Pummeled
Consider too that this debate was in downtown Toronto, the attendance largely left-leaving.
The best part was, the Con side started out with a slim audience advantage.
They got destroyed in the final poll.
@@YoungSantasGroupie Jesus, then Toronto has gotten less white fast. O white man, why do you hate your own so?
Pooned.....
Remember kids, if Malc can keep a career as an intellectual after showing you the empty void where his brain should be, you can do anything you want.
😂😂😂😂😂
Had to catch myself from rolling. On the floor.
Brilliant!!
Arrogant, arrogant, the result of inbreeding, inbreeding …. The scourge of God’s chosen people, the people that think they are better than everyone else, just read their religion.
Malc is an “nbred ju”
Forever more he is “Malc” ….. very close to the Latin “mal”. ……. That means “BAD” or “EVIL”.
Ha ha ha "well Malc..."
One thing that struck me during the debate was that Douglas Murray and Matt both talked about the main stream media as a whole whereas both their opponents consistently attacked Douglas and Matt personally.
Standard practice for those who can't defend their words.
Ad hominem is the first port of a blaggard
@stafusand?
@stafusyou keep repeating this on all the threads…please explain what Douglas being gay has anything to do with him publicly humiliating Malcolm Gladwell???
@stafus dude, we all already know. It's no secret. Doesn't change what a badass he is.
these two together is amazing, the feeling of knowing a conversation has 100% stability and wont derail into purposeless bullshit is comforting for sure
I have a feeling that conversation that one might consider “100% stable” are also the conversations with the least disagreement and least real arguing of positions
More, please! I want to hear more of Douglas Murray's honest debate in an ingenuous atmosphere. I find the combination of Jordan and Douglas exhilarating! You actually talk sense.
As someone who agreed with the premise that modern journalism was not to be trusted, I was excited to hear that Malcom Gladwell was going to represent the opposing side. I thought we’d get the best possible argument from him. Wow, was I ever wrong. Gladwell utterly beclowned himself.
I also listened to his podcast where he delved into his failure - it was no better. He absolutely could not conceive that his own preconceptions and ideological blinders doomed him before he even opened his mouth on that stage. Sad. I sincerely enjoyed his books, but now I’m seriously questioning how many errors were made, how many assumptions are made, and how much he got wrong.
For real. I can only hope we **didn't** hear the best possible arguments in that debate, or that they were merely presented to us by a buffoon. To think otherwise is... concerning.
For modern journalism, anyway. It's great fun for the rest of us. Or, it would be, if their obvious bias didn't threaten the entirety of modern western society at the same time.
@@birdjericho Truth
Malcom literally said that bringing his personal beliefs into it doomed him before he even began.
I get people hate him, but this blatant disinformation is absolutely disgusting.
@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 He acknowledged that he came into the debate with a pre-conception that Douglas Murray was 'a piece of s__t', but not that his left-leaning biases were guiding his perceptions. Not a word about that.
So the debate was not useful, then. Why is it famous?
I watched the debate with Gladwell and Michelle Goldberg and they were infantile and incapable of mature thinking. Gladwell in particular was shockingly shallow.
Like his books.
They were totally unarmed intellectually. They could only rely on silly anecdotes and ad hominem attacks.
Gladwell (perhaps inadvertently) revealed the weakness of the modern obsession with calling everything white ‘racist’. It was like he threw it into relief, opening it up and showing how stupid it is, right down to the core.
"He's had every advantage in life, he's just a fool" haha....absolute zinger. I watched that debate and he absolutely crucified him from start to finish.
👏👍
Douglas is a class act. Nice to see an adult command the room.
“No, he’s just a fool.” I love Douglass Murray.😄
Love his expression when he says "I still don't feel pity". 😆
Such a great man and intellectual
😆👏
I got goosebumps when he said,”interlocutor “. 😂
@@axhed Yes, he obviously seeks to please.
Although he also seems a bit tipsy or out of it.
The most posh british "fuck em" I've ever heard 😂😂
Hahaha it was such a cheeky glance
' I still dont feel pity' 😂
That debate was a Masterclass and Matt and Douglas were well prepared. So good, a must see!
They could have debated Gladwell without a cup of coffee
Gladwell was way out of his depth!! That’s what happens when normally debate in an echo-chamber
Murray is always so good. Can't get enough of his intellect.
That culture, of dialogue and courteous exchange of ideas, is not gone yet, Mr. Murray. With you, Dr. Peterson and a host of others filling the vacuous hole created by online debating...hope is kept alive, if for no other reason than it (yours and Dr. Peterson's respectful approaches) is proof that it exists in the first place.
I could listen to you two for hours and hours. I particularly really like you both and read both and all of your books. You should do a mini series on some topics you both love. I bet it would be brilliant as you are super complementary to each other.
This is the cure we need for the dumbing down of society and even the idea of reasonable discussion. I hope to see much more. Thank you.
I can't believe Malcolm Gladwell is considered the greatest leftist intellectual in Canada.
@@nuckygulliver9607 Talk about a straw man. No one thinks Gladwell is a great leftist intellectual.
I watched that debate and while I don’t loathe Gladwell, Murray tells it here exactly as it was. He really did behave like a toddler and was deliberately very condescending.
@stafus And? Gay people can be based too
I watched that debate a couple months ago, I had always assumed Malcolm Gladwell was a cool guy, after seeing his debate performance i decided he was such a jerk, I won’t read his books ever again.
Yeah, it was embarrassing, I hadn’t read that much of his stuff but I had though he was a good communicator of ideas, but now I’m questioning his ability to distinguish good and bad ideas
Precisely.
Read the comments on the RUclips channel for that debate. The vast vast majority were former fans of Malcolm who were sorely disappointed. Myself included. I could never take that man seriously again and I’ve purchased his books and listen to lotta things he said, and it takes a spectacular car crash for me to dismiss you over what you do in one debate, but this was beyond. I thought he would’ve been an intelligent person to make some good points for the other side but instead, he just tried to accuse Matt and Douglass of being racist? It was cowardly and pathetic, and I lost absolutely all respect for him.
Jordanetics made me see Peterson in a different light.
Gladwell writes very interesting stuff, but his view of the world is hopelessly slanted by his own insecurities.
I absolutely can not get enough of Douglas Murray. That wit is so sharp it's a continual wonder he doesn't cut himself with it.
Man, one of Jordan's biggest inspirations is his ability to try and articulate the best you can. 3:00 explaining being in the moment while at the same time trying to speak or explain something is, i feel, a super undervalued valuable skill
My god the amount of charisma, intelligence, integrity and physical grace that radiates from these two, almost melts the screen.
It’s called dignity and there are few things that touch us in quite the same way.
It’s both inspirational and aspirational
Well said.
Almost like they are real men 💪
@@FreddyonAcid A real man sleeps with men?
Anyone who puts themselves on the receiving end of Douglas' sense of humor deserves whatever he gets. Love listening to these two great minds having a conversation
Yes, I would love to be able to test some thoughts on him, as it were. My being tempted to argue with sophistry rather than a solid point, and his consequent "No,...", would soon embarrass me into sticking to the facts.
Basically butlers who've brought him the wrong tea
It wasn't really even a debate. Every time Murray made an argument, Gladwell responded with an ad hominem attack about Murray. It was obvious, after a while, that Gladwell didn't have a single valid argument.
Seems to reflect the values he follows in politics.
You're just describing the modern leftist approach to politics. It's not shocking anymore to anyone paying attention that someone who spends so much time in a lefty bubble can't defend their own arguments. Things weren't like this 20 years ago.
It is a real pleasure to listen to two intelligent, well spoken gentlemen like Douglas Murray and Jordan Peterson. I look forward to seeing and listening to more of the same.
Malcom's constant attacks on Taibi's ONE mention of Walter Cronkite, like he had validated Hitler, was such a juvenile method of trying to shame an opponent.
LOVE Douglas Murray! Brilliant, witty, gifted communicator! He is a joy to hear and watch.
Two of my favorite people, Douglas and Jordan. Thank God you’re on our side!
With their intelligence and integrity, they could only be on our side.
Douglass Murray is perhaps one of the sharpest minds of our time. He never goes ad hominem until his opponent does and then….. Clear the decks. He is a scathing example of why one should never mess with the Irish! Just Sayin! I’m a fan!
Of why only the English dare mess with the Irish*
One of the first times I became aware of him was on a podcast in which he was discussing moral licensing. The example was referring to people who say things like "My best friend is black, I can't be racist". Malcolm was saying this gave one moral licensing to be secretly racist in other ways. I laughed because i realised it hasn't occurred to these people that they're not actually dealing with racists at all. So they invent psychologically complex bypasses to return to their belief. "Oh, he's just morally licensing himself.". Pathetic and shallow.
Gladwell thinks others operate like that because that's how he operates. In his mind, it's ok if he has racial prejudice against others if it's "for the greater good".
This white-majority nation elected a black man president twice, and a black woman vice president. And what's that you say? We're a racist nation?
You caught him out on this one.
Douglas Murray has a formidable mind. Thank God he uses it for good and not for evil.
Wonderfully articulate, Douglas Murray is always a pleasure to listen to.
Imagine if he were to confront his deep-seated aversion to women and put his abominations aside. How very much more pleasurable to listen to then.
My favorite college professor had me read Outliers and I was able to go through every argument in that book and break down flaws in them. I look back at that and feel it was a large step for me thinking for myself.
Bravo!
Can you share any critiques you can remember?
@danielnaberhaus5337 I can, but I can't go into full detail because I don't want to write an essay in the RUclips comments. 1st chapter was about birthdays in sports lining up with cutoff dates in youth sports, but he limited the sample to just hockey and applied it to all sports which have varying cutoff dates by different localities ( I played 10u and 12u baseball in 2 leagues at the same time based on my birthday). 10,000 hours I kinda agree with but the definition of a category is kinda vague. Do I need to practice 10k hours at golf, or are drivers, irons, and putting different skills? Are all hours equal? If I play the same song on guitar for that long I won't be a master of guitar so there must be a level of discomfort in practice. I found the chapter about the culture of honor to be very different from my life experience though I'd have to reread it to be more specific. I also found the chapter about rich kids being more likely to speak out the opposite of my experience.
@@fake_name841 Thanks! I noticed that books like Outliers and David and Goliath each attribute success to different causes/ingredients, one to advantages, and the other to adversity. I liked reading his books but in the end, they need to explain the discrepancies in his body of work.
The discrepancies are due to selective choices. This is why he did so poorly in the debate. He isn't used to hearing another side or even to care to hear it.
I'm a leftie on most measures and I've followed Matt Taibbi for years, so it was a joy to watch Douglas Murray especially in that debate. I never really knew who Malcolm Gladwell was beforehand but I'm glad I never wasted my time with him.
As a leftie, it has been absolutely baffling to me how my political side have tricked themselves into defending corporate media, big pharma, Wall Street, Silicon Valley, the FBI, and the Military-Industrial Complex... all the institutions we were once very critical of.
That's what not only Trump Derangement Syndrome does but also Obama/Democrat Delusion Syndrome does too.
Well stated! It’s a significant theoretical contradiction and with the US Democratic Party in particular they ride on this absurd perception they care about constituents, they don’t but they are the worst because they pretend to.
I'm assuming you're an American, because in the UK, we politically differentiate between liberals and the Left. The Left are completely noble in their desire to improve the material circumstances of the working-class. Liberals, however, have merely highjacked some of the Left's talking points for their own, and the aforementioned's (Big pharma, Sillicon Vally, Regime media) financial ambitions. Gladwell is a liberal, he's not a Leftist.
The left was only against those institutions as long as they weren’t in control of them. Now that they do control them, no reason to be against them.
@sylaq1141 You got that backwards - probably on purpose. Liberalism believes in Liberty, whereas Leftism supports its complete opposite, Socialism.
George Orwell once believed that socialism would help the worker; British mining men often lost their teeth down in the shafts of industry - but once he found capitalism in fact was doing just that and the socialists HATED it (the worker was only a useful idiot to be thrown in the gulag after the revolution), he renounced socialism. That's why his books are so accurate: only James Lindsey better understands Leftist dialectics.
Bless you for your honesty. Please help bring the Dems back towards the center.
Thanks God that people like Douglas Murray exist. I lived 25 years under comunism and I am sick of these make believe neo-communist corporate creeps. All the concepts that people lile Malcolm are so enloved with, we studied with a discipline called "Scientific Socialism". And now i have to listen tonthe same nonsense again? I am coming from their future. Douglas Murray is not only a classy intelectual but also a true gentleman.
Two great men just sitting having a conversation that while very intellectual, it is done in a manner anyone wing a basic high school understanding can understand and benefit from. My father always told me I can learn more from listening to an intelligent person talk about the weather than from reading a book about philosophy. He said the book will require several parts reread and research to understand the knowledge in it while an intelligent person shares the knowledge, they impart with the intention that the listener comprehends it.
Gentlemen… I love your logic and common sense approach to life in a time filled with liars and cowards. Only courage and tenacity will save the individual from drowning in a sea of ineptitude and misery. THANK YOU for your efforts… it is appreciated.
"I had a great time smacking him around" - oh Douglas, you're a treasure.
I learned by listening to people who knew how to talk. I learn every time i listen to Douglas and Jordan and my reading list grows in strength. Douglas, Jordan, please discuss the most influential talkers you admire.
Two of the most intelligent, well-spoken men breathing air today. Appreciate them both very much. Hope I am blessed to shake their hands at some point!
Douglas was wonderful, as always. And Matt is a rigorous journalist. I new his Father, and I know he’s proud of him.
It's an honor just to be able to listen to these serious thinkers.
I agree man. I feel smarter just by listening. Murray has a certain elegance to his voice, that makes it extremely easy to pay attention to.
Why tag this as destroys? Both of you are serious minded thinkers, can we not raise the grades a bit? Debate is healthy no?
And it's not even an accurate title. Malc destroyed himself.
@@cheese_ustalking
I completely agree... couldn't afford to go to university but I feel I'm getting a bit of a taste when watching these conversations 😊
"...you need to be doing the thinking on the page so that the reader can do the thinking along with you." Thank you so much for that insight. For some reason this line hit me hard today and it made sense of many things I have been thinking about lately. Thank you!
Douglas Murray is a savage debater.
I would refuse to debate him on any issue 😂
He is like the Mike Tyson of debating
I wholeheartedly agree 😂
debate is learning hopefully
Opposite for me, I’d love to debate him - have him find flaws in my reasoning where he can find them. The goal ought to be to think together, rather than « win ».
Just call him a racist and don’t give a shit, job done. 🤪😁
Douglas is one of the sharpest speakers and thinkers alive.
Who couldn't appreciate this conversation between two gentlemen at the top of their fields. I'm not an academic, but boy do these chaps speak in plain English that I can understand. Thank you for your insight.
From the first podcasts to now I find it so amazing to see how Jordan has slowly developed the perfect timing to intervene while letting the interview flow naturally. I remember the earlier videos where they used to step over each others toes (JP and the guest) but it has become a lot more organic now.
Interviews are really hard. Hence so many crap podcasts these days.
Peterson keeps learning and self-correcting.
He’s gotten training from DW ofc
Douglas Murray is a pleasure to listen to. His voice is like smooth butter. His insults are so smart that he could insult me and i would not know and feel he complimented me.
His delivery is often great as well. He'll get a look in his eye, a slowly emerging look of mischief in his face, as his voice liquidly articulates some funny implication. Often he entertains by implying things very slyly and wittily.
I doubt many people could debate Douglas Murray. He chews them up and spits them out with such poetic eloquence
That's not the point.
I used to hate confrontational shouting matches. But God led me to Douglas Murray, and I'm getting stronger, and although I still find interrupting screechy women hard to take, I'm finding myself stronger, to get through a debate, as long as Douglas is part of it! 🤟
You both made a very interesting point which I am personally very guilty of is hearing something said and locking on that point. And at that time e stop listening. I really appreciate both of your intellects and great talent in the art of conversation. And how you both stand tall with your beliefs with great courage against such awful and uncivilized behavior all the time. God bless you both and keep that torch lit.
Grateful for these two men. They inspire me to stretch myself, especially in engaging with people who I don't agree with. Thanks for this clip!
I watched this debate and either Malcolm has completely lost it or he tricked all of us into thinking he is worth taking seriously. He had nothing of value to say
I too was baffled. Charitably, I’d suggest it was cognitive dissonance (a case study in cognitive dissonance). However I’m not 100% certain he isn’t just a fraud with Mickey Mouse ideas that sound smart, on the surface. Sadly, I now reconsider everything he has suggested as « to be verified, rather twice than once ».
@@friberssonexactly!
@jordankimball2014 - I used to think that Gladwell was a half-decent writer. But his debate performance was so poor that I felt embarrassed for him. He was arrogant, disrespectful, and dishonest. I lost all respect for him. And the fact that, months later, in talking about his shambolic debate performance, he was still unwilling to admit that he was wrong, only underscores how much of a fraud he is.
intersection ethics breaks minds. How can people hold the contradictions? His mind is damaged from the bad ideas that are so easy to debunk the leftists stayed in bubbles that have made their minds sick. These people aren't used to people challenging their ideas. Canada is sick right now. Ottawa is really sick.
@stafus I agree, he seems to be very happy
I watched that debate, it was incredible. The truly astronomical levels of bad will and laziness from Gladwell's side compared to the intellectual honesty and debating genius on the other side was stunning.
These two men are two of my most respected speakers of the last ten years. I enjoy listening to them both and trying to understand. I wish I could attend a class where one or the other was speaking so that maybe I could ask a question about the topics.
This was amazing - watched that debate - so hearing Douglas’s post-game breakdown was awesome
I came into watching that debate having such a high opinion of Malcolm Gladwell... read his books, listened to him over the years on various platforms.... but that high opinion got turned on it's head for good after watching his pathetic/disgusting performance. Really showed his true colors, that elitist, condescending SOB. SO thankful for Douglas Murray for how he handled him.
Who cares about all that if the guy is right?
One of Douglas’ many strengths is the ability to keep his head with extreme provocation. He let Malcolm off his rudeness on a number of occasions, before he went for the jugular and by this point the audience were itching for it, rather like the number of insults and assaults before the Hulk hulks up.
Murray definitely had a few "Hulk smash" moments......lol. Not enough in my opinion though, as Gladwell was asking to get punched in the face, but Murray kept it civil. THAT was actually how he made Gladwell look the fool he was portraying to be!!
Murray is my all time favorite when it comes to debates. I loved seeing him debate issues on Islam years ago. He will smack you down and with straight class.
@stafus uh yeah. And?
@stafus and you are on RUclips pointing this out like it discredits his intellectual ability.
@stafus I pray for you then, that you be rid of the yoke of that godawful brain damage that took away your prodigy status.
@stafus why don't you seem smart then? You haven't done a single smart yet.
Gladwell's podcast on his defeat was fairly good. He does a good, dramatic introduction building up to his utter defeat. Temporarily boosted my opinion of him after Murray destroyed him. The main issue with the podcast, other than bringing his mother in, was that he only got to "listen better to better refute" rather than "consider his opponents may have a point".
Actually, Malcom had been so desperate for the cure, he devoted himself to finding the magic pill that would erase that horrible debate. He fell upon listening.
But if you listened to his words, he STILL claims Murray & Taibbi were stunting for Cronkite & worse, believing that the debate was won by his side!
Cognitive dissonance is showing it’s slip on his debate reply.
Two absolute Legends. I could listen to them debating all day long.
Never have I seen a man so throughly undressed, thrown to the ground, pissed on, told not to get the f up, to just lay down and take your place. Good job Douglas.
Well stated sir, I saw the same debate and I was really hoping for a rousing discussion. Instead Gladwell and Roseburg were just pretending that the last 20 years of history, news, and journalism didn't exist. Like there was a void of any truth that could describe the Left going off the rails and threatening the most vital institutions of western civilization. Brave intellectuals like Murray and Peterson among others have been debunking their nonsense for 20 years and they haven't yet gotten the memos.
I ❤ Douglas Murray, acerbic, honest, intelligent and brave.
JBP and DM in the same room is perfect listening for those that are wanting more than the sound bite agenda driven blah blah we're all force f d on a daily basis.
Well said! X 👍🏻
Well said @juliegraham5033….not the other comment!
Stunning and Brave
I read the “Strange Death of Europe” in a day. Ever since then I can’t get enough of Douglas. I use some of his tools in conversation
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@@L.I.T.H.I.U.M listening for contradictions, taking emotion out of a conversation. Breaking apart weak narratives with historical facts
Douglas Murray is one of the greatest minds of our generation
Douglas Murray is amazing. He is such a refreshing voice of reason
hes gay as well so he doesn't fit into a neat box the other side can attack. hes awesome
“I still don’t feel pity” 😂
Love Douglas Murray!
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Gladwell had a classic narcissistic collapse. He's a textbook example.
MG actually quoted Twain around 4 decades ago in his graduating highschool yearbook comment: "Never let your schooling interfere with your education." He should've maybe considered adding "Never let your high opinion of yourself interfere with it either."
@@aahyes9068- that last line will be added to his tombstone.
I watched the debate. Whatever regard I once may have had for Malcolm evaporated when I saw his smug demeanour towards those who were, in fact, despite his self-assurance, giving him the sound thrashing of a lifetime. The echoes of cane snapping across his raw rump will resound down the corridors of time till the crack of doom.
Totally agree. I was shocked at his behavior.
The crack of doom on his crack😂
That last sentence. Eloquent awesomeness.
@@ANonymous-mo6xphear hear!
I watched it in full. 100% Douglas absolutely nailed Malcolm Gladwell to the mask.
Douglas is one of the best debaters of our time.
Thanks!
I lost respect for Gladwell after that one. He sounded so contrived and forced poor opinions so strongly. I could not believe it.
Good. I never had respect for him, his books are trash. I lost respect for friends for not realising that.
I used to recommend his books during business consulting, but took them off the list after watching his behaviour on that debate. MG also kept mispronouncing Matt Taibbi’s name in what looked to be on purpose.
@@GarryAndrews_ it always pained me seeing how many people fell for his nonsense. Everything he writes is bunk. I can’t stand that he gets away with it.
Some people say debates are not useful. I think they are the most useful way to discuss ideas, because they reveal truth.
@@GarryAndrews_ it was 100% deliberate
The passivity of conservatives does not exist in Douglas. Love this man
There was a point earlier this year where he announced he was no longer going to play nice against the progressives.
I don't see much passivity in Trump enthusiasts. There is plenty of rabid idiocy on both sides.
@@ANonymous-mo6xp I'm at this point myself. The progressive ideology, in its complete embrace of subjectivism/rejection of the idea of objective truth, has left no avenue to resolve disagreements. There's not a greater principle, the truth, that we can submit ourselves for adjudication to.
There's literally no "nice" that can be played with them and thus they're simply not welcome in my space or my world anymore.
When I’m feeling down I go back and watch Douglas verbally flog the living sh** out of Gladwell. He was so terrible.
I watched this debate just yesterday. It was a massacre! Murray is correct. They didn't listen...at all. They just kept repeating the same tired old tropes that they get away with in their own echo chambers. I was embarrassed for them, truly.
I watched this, watched the debate and then came back and watched this. Murray hits the nail on the head about Gladwell and his ilk. That man has no business being in a public speaking role let alone the Monk Debate.