Getting blackmailed, filing a restraining order & losing $1.3M w/ Clayton from The Bachelor | Ep. 53
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This week on the podcast, Clayton Echard, from The Bachelor, joined Matt to share insights into his experience with a pregnancy blackmail scandal and his pursuit of justice.
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Chapters:
00:00 - Episode 53
06:13 - Losing a $1.3M NFL contract
10:00 - Happiness comes from within
18:32 - Claytons pregnancy scandal
29:30 - Clayton’s dad’s advice
36:43 - She wouldn’t take a paternity test
45:01 - The Family Court filing
50:55 - Trying to negotiate with an extortionist
1:10:22 - Pursuing a defamation case
1:14:14 - A message to his blackmailer’s mother
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Matt is hosting solo in this episode due to Abby’s grandpa passing. Thank you all for your condolences. ❤️
So sorry :(
Sorry to hear 🙏❤️🙏
Thinking of you Abby ❤ so sorry for your loss
Abby I am so sorry. My thoughts and prayers are with you in this hard time.
So sorry for your loss Abby! Prayers 🙏🏻
~Whitney~
Matt’s feet dangling off the edge of the couch but Clayton’s feet hitting the floor is sending me for some reason 😂😂
Same. Something so funny about it. 😂
He is 6’5” and I’m 6’2” 💀
Matt's shoulders sit up higher though. They are both tall but carry their height different. That couch looks Hella comfy though.
It really bothered me
@@laurawall2827yeah he’s really short legged
I lost my baby at 21 weeks and I have a birth and death certificate, a whole hospital stay and an urn with his ashes.....the baby definitely doesn't just disappear. It's also sickening to hear someone fake a loss like that when it is absolutely traumatizing to go through.
So sorry for your loss. x
So sorry for your loss 😢
I'm so so sorry for your loss 😢❤
So sorry for your loss 😢💔.
I’m so sorry mama
The fact she made false reports to the court feels like it should be grounds for prosecution.
Yeah victim's would have a child or Dr's reports or something that they could prove it so. Seems that rep should be more worried about the men whom get jammed up like this!!
Why are people who make continuous false legal allegations not taken in for a phsyc eval? Or put in prison for lieing in front of a judge?
it would have to be worth the DA's time and money which is why so much purjury goes unpunished. she will ultimately get away with some of this and i hate that.
she has literally taken clayton's life and drug him through hell.. for nothing and no reason other than she's F'd in the head really really bad. this is on par with medical schemes where people fake cancer, imo.
@@rainmeh4255also, I have been told that they won't prosecute most of the time so that people will still come forward, say like a rape accusation, they don't prosecute false allegations often because they don't want to scare away another person/victim from coming forward and being scared that could happen to them even if they are telling the truth.
I think that's a civil issue
Wow. This man is the definition of masculinity in my eyes. He is in touch with his emotions, his self awareness is incredible, and he genuinely cares about the wellbeing of others. Even after being put through this nightmare, he isn't out there trashing this woman or women as a whole. He is sharing his story in a very respectful way even though it has caused him so much pain. What a beautiful human!
I see what you're sqying, but really, he put himself in the position to be hurt with poor decisions. Taking an edible and not being in full control of making good decisions and engaging in sexual activity with someone he barely knew. Doesn't mean he's not a likeable person, but he made bad decisions.
We all make bad decisions but that’s how we learn. What this woman has done to multiple men is disgusting.
@Smuddpie would you say this about a woman who was raped?
@@Smuddpiemoms also made poor decisions all the time. Rarely treated the same as a man for making poor decisions I think is more the point. There are a lot of good men left “in the dust” sometimes jail, ect for doing really nothing wrong. And taking advantage of ANYONE knowing they are not completely sober and in the clear mind to agree is rape. But men really get the short stick on getting the other party prosecuted as it should be/would be if he was a women in the same situation. I understand your point, but I also feel it much more.
@@CollidedatomsWhat does that scenario have to do with his comment?
Very interesting video but one of the things I would like to highlight is how well Matt handled the the high emotions and the space needed to "take a breath". The silence while Clayton took a moment to regulate his emotions spoke volumes to Matt's ability as an interviewer. You also stayed really impartial to the topic which I think is great journalism and interviewing. Thanks to both Matt for the space to share this and to Clayton for telling his difficult story!
I really love that we’re talking more about male mental health
Same!
Yes!!
I agree!
And without a ton of not related and not appropriate comments!! Finally a place where people can see both sides, and understand and not judge and name call. It’s so refreshing to see.
Clayton's level of self-awareness and personal accountability is pretty incredible
So glad Clayton is getting his story out there. This woman needs to be stopped!
He shouldn’t be having one night stands if he didn’t want this to happen. He brought this on himself.
@kisdad1794 did you not listen? Lmao
@graciewilson9288 He invited her over when she was his client! It was unprofessional. He shouldn't have been flirting with her in the first place and he certainly should have ignored her sexy pic, but no, he asked her to come to his house. He started all of this by thinking with his other head, the one without a brain, iykwim.
People make mistakes but it's not like he took advantage of her. No one deserves to have their life torn apart like this. He should have kept things professional but she is definitely the one in the wrong here. She needs help. This is sick.
@@Stargazer95485 exactly. it sucks that she’s a liar, but it could’ve just as easily been real. pregnancy is a risk you take when you have sex. and she was his client…. it’s kinda like… why was he there in the first place?
I work at a hospital in Columbia, MO that Clayton used to work at and his co workers all have nothing but great things to say about him! Loved this episode! So glad he is able to get his story out there!
Awww, that's so good to hear.❤
That’s where I had my surgery on my ankle!
It infuriates me that Clayton, who is a victim of this woman, may not be able to get the courts to go after her as to not make other women fearful of coming forward. That’s backwards. All victims should have their day in court.
Wouldn’t it be great if all her victims could join forces and sue her for all of their therapy, money lost, lawyer fees?
I agree. Victims are victims no matter the gender.
especially since it’s a recurring MO. This is fraudulent at best, extortion and blackmail at worst. She should face the music for the attempt. And the length she went to faking this is more than enough to establish intent. malicious intent, to boot.
@@katjarammer1179right?? i agree with you. and i think it's on par with medical fraud schemes like where people fake cancer. she's done it over and over and it won't stop until the repercussions are big enough.
For real and you think we would have started learning this with the Johnny Depp Amber Heard stuff. That women do lie and mess up men. It isn’t always just the other way around. And we shouldnt automatically just believe one side. Especially if there is evidence
I am not even 20 minutes into this episode, and every single time he makes a statement of self awareness punches me in the gut. The self accountability… Is so inspiring and crushes my soul in such a good way.
Like… wow… I just wish most guys were like this. “ I normally state my intentions upfront” like 🥹😳 YES
The only part I feel is a cop out is the "I took an edible and I wasn't in my right mind" an edible doesn't inebriate you in the same way alcohol does and it rarely results in total loss of cognitive function. Dude was horny and went for it. He should own that shit.
@@KimmySaurusRex44what it does is obstruct the internalized consequences of the outcome. We don’t do things we normally wouldn’t because our chemistry is altered we do these things because at the time we don’t feel the consequences as much as we would if sober. However in reverse roles many women say because they aren’t sober therefore they couldn’t make the correct decision he’s just saying the exact same thing but being male he doesn’t get the benefit of doubt.
@@KimmySaurusRex44 that’s not really a fair comment. Everyone reacts differently. One can really make a person not totally know right from wrong until sober again. That’s comparing apples and oranges. Under the influence is under the influence.
As soon as you said Abby had a family emergency, i knew it was her grandpa. I'm so sorry for your loss.
Clayton, what happened to you is unforgivable. This is why some men are terrified of women. Its disgusting and i hope she is held accountable. There is no excuse for intentionally trying to ruin someone because you didnt get what you want. Im very sorry you have had to deal with this. It takes its toll in so many ways. Best of luck!
Right! These stories need to be out there! It's so important for people to recognize that you can't just believe a woman just bc she's a woman and "no woman would make this up". There are absolutely women who will make things up just to destroy a man and they are just as bad if not worse than the Actual male victimized out there bc they are the reason we have to second guess every woman's story. I had a friend who was falsely accused of SA his two year old daughter by his ex. His ex cheated on him while pregnant and he broke up with her but he loved their daughter. His ex immediately moved in with the man she was cheating with, they went to court and set up custody/visitation/child support and everything was fine. Everything was fine until the new bf caught her cheating and left her around the same time as my friend started dating again. This EVIL, pathetic excuse of a mother injured her own child's genitals to create "evidence" against my friend. He went to prison, lost his parental rights, it destroyed his life and I'm ashamed to say that I didn't believe him, I didn't even believe him after he got out and killed himself. I didn't believe he was innocent bc as a mother I couldn't imagine any mother hurting her on child to get revenge on her child's father for daring to be happy and move on. I didn't believe him until she got very drunk at my friends wake and started telling people what she did. Laughing and bragging about setting him up. Her confession was recorded and he was post humously exonerated but what does that matter. He DIED with everyone who loved him believing that he SAd his own tiny daughter. I will never believe anything without proof, actual proof again and idk if I can even believe it with proof bc we thought there was proof. There was evidence of abuse right after her weekend with her dad. We didn't know. How are you ever supposed to know when there are people out there willing to do stuff like that?
@jessicahay9305, OMG! That is evil! That poor man! I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. I hope that woman is made to pay for what she did! So evil!
Good for Clayton continuing to get his story out there. The criminal who made him her 5th victim must be stopped and he’s going to be the one to hold her out in the light and show the world how diabolical she is
He should’ve known better. Tbh sounds like he just wanted sex and didn’t think about the consequences. We shouldn’t praise this. He shouldn’t be having one night stands and risky sex if he didn’t want this to happen
@@kierad1794 she has taken this to extreme levels. Demanding exclusive dating as a way to do a paternity test, etc. The woman is wack a doodle.
@@kierad1794victim blaming is always a great way to go
He also said it was oral they didn't have sex. No one thinks they will get pregnant or possibly get someone pregnant from oral.
@@kierad1794you obviously lead a very straight and true life, people make bad judgements but this woman seems to have some kind of mental health or personality issue to repetitively to target men this way.
It is so great that more podcasts are picking up Clayton’s story because it needs to be heard. Someone please make a movie
Would make a great documentary
Wouldn’t sell any tickets. It would be stopped and protested against. He’d be called a misogynist and a liar. Then they’d dig up every single shred of evidence to make him look like a predator. In the media male predators sell they will never be seen as victims. Basically women’s groups wouldn’t let it happen.
DAVE NEAL is the Podcaster that initially picked this story up in September 2023, and the Podcaster that called Clayton after that televised Court hearing to give Clayton support. Dave Neal has extensive and incredible moment to moment development on his channel regarding this case, which goes into much more detail than was able to be covered here. Clayton, you’ve been understandably laying low, so it’s wonderful to see you not backing down on this. Your effort can help those who had this happen to them before you, as well as set a precedent for it to not continue in the future. All Courts should require proof of pregnancy before allowing a woman to file a paternity case against a man. Matt, I’m so sorry for your family losing your wife’s grandpa, and I hope you all find comfort in each other coming together now.
I was really surprised that Clayton did not start his podcasting tour with Dave ,and Im sad for Dave that after all his extensive work in bringing this to light, sharing the truth, supporting Clayton and even getting sued himself by the same woman, he was ghosted by Clayton... my opinion
@@michelleshaw3618 seriously. The man was sued for helping Clayton and he can’t take 2 hours to go on his channel or podcast?
I think Dave Neal would ask the best questions and make a great interview because of his amazing investigation on this matter. However I believe it would be a sticky situation for Clayton and Dave Neal to do so because of the court cases against them (by the same woman). It’s probably best they don’t do it right now!
@@aharrisization Dave’s case was dismissed thank God
Clayton did "Driving with Dave" but that was before he could speak out about all of it. I think when it comes closer to the end maybe we'll get a Dave and Clayton Convo about what they both went through. 🤷♀️🤞
After 20 weeks it's a stillbirth, NOT a miscarriage. So even if fetal records can't be found, there is absolutely no way that she can prevent labor & delivery records from being subpoenad. No self-respecting midwife or birthing center would take on twins either, and even they'll have records of a stillbirth taking place. Everything is going to work out ♥️
Welcome to the party! We just found audio of Jane Doe’s mom being in on the calls to Scottsdale police. If there was any doubt that the mom was involved, now we know. Have that on today’s Bachelor Rush Hour podcast. Amazing production quality you guys!
Oh my! Looking forward to listening. As always, thanks Dave!
Wow really
Go Dave!
This case just keeps getting more and more shocking!
Some podcaster: Dave Neal! Thank you for making sure Clayton’s story gets heard!
I have such a deep appreciation for men who are in touch with their own emotions and feelings. That wisdom is a very beautiful quality.
How refreshing to hear someone articulate their struggles and what they’ve overcome with such grace. Clayton speaks eloquently, he has such wisdom and kindness for himself. His reflection on teenage years and feeling the need to compensate for not being as big a star as his younger brother, his gentle perspective on this paternity situation… wow. I loved hearing his perspective of trauma, and he’s absolutely right. We wouldn’t choose to put ourselves through traumatic situations, but the ability to learn and grow from them is such a blessing. Matt and Abby- I have really come to enjoy the interviews you guys have completed. You ask great questions, do your research on the topics and individuals, and provide such empathy and interest. Well done!
Clayton's haircut is serving him WELL! also, what a strong, resilient man!! go Clayton
I have never watched an entire season of the Bachelor. My sister watched Clayton's season though, and conveyed to me what happened the last few episodes. I remember thinking that Clayton was a jerk and I didn't like him much. This interview has changed my mind.
Clayton seems so genuine and kind! He has every right to drag this woman's name through the mud, and he's decided not to. That is astounding!! He is such an eloquent speaker. I appreciate his humility and honesty as he's admitted to not always handling things the way he should have. He is a good man and I hope he gets justice for yhis terrible situation he's been trapped into.
When Clayton had to stop and breathe, that really hit me deeply. You can tell that he’s really going through it & really trying to be as positive as much as possible. But you can only do so much as one individual can😩🫶🏻
Clayton, I'm so sorry you are experiencing this awful situation. People need to evaluate and believe evidence regardless of who is making the accusations. You have my support and my respect for sharing this extremely vulnerable experience. Wishing you all the best.
Matt and Abby, I'm so sorry for your loss. Holding your family up during this time of mourning.
Dave Neal is giving daily updates on this case and other victims of hers on his Bachelor Rush Hour Podcast. He has been reporting on it since the beginning 👏
Does he ever mention who the woman is?
@@Lupita19021 no but her name is out there if you google the story by Clayton's name...it's on other RUclips channels, reddit and the Medium article this woman wrote, as well as other articles I believe.
No he calls her Jane Doe.
@@Lupita19021she is the host of the Nobody Told Me podcast.
Her name is Laura Owens! Megan Fox isn't afraid to say her name! She has also been reporting on this case since she learned about it from Dave spreading the news.
Thank you for having Clayton on. Btw, your sound is very clear and crisp......IF anyone is wondering, at 01:06:40, Dave Neal is the Podcaster that Clayton references. He's been brilliantly covering this bizarre story since the very beginning.
Form "Some Podcaster" to "This Podcaster"
@@jenmurphy7777 Exactly! Lol
Dave was the one who started the go fund me for Clayton and Dave's followers donated the $10,000. That detail was unfortunately left out as well.
@@carriepicard8328It is weird that he doesn't reference Dave. I wonder what the reason is for that? Rooting for him either way.
I'm so happy Clayton came on the unplanned podcast, because I can relate to everything he says. I’m so sorry about Abby’s grandpa he will be forever missed
Team Clayton! His voice has gotten stronger! Great interview!!
What a POWERFUL testimony. Thank you for giving Clayton this important platform. I'm confident it will help so many listeners!
Clayton's comments about people pleasing resonate so deeply with me. I went through something incredibly destructive, similar in that the juiciness of drama was held higher than truth. It devastated me, and left me constantly trying to tell people my side and how this wasn't me. Some time in the second year of this battle, i realized people didn't care. They wanted the drama, the juicy, and they would actively ignore anything that didn't fit that image. I stopped trying giving a crap what people thought.
I’m so sorry for you loss and I can’t even imagine what you guys are going through right now. I’m so glad you guys have these kind of people on the podcast because we see/read what the internet gives us but to actually listen to the actual person tell us his side and what actually happened brings a new perspective on people! So thanks! ❤
I’m so glad that Dave Neal reached out to you Clayton and was able to jumpstart support for you so you didn’t feel alone on this journey! What she has done to you and the other men is truly criminal and she should be held accountable!!! Hang in there and hope the court date
Goes in your favor and light is shone brightly on what she has done to you!! 🙏🏻
I am so sorry for your loss, praying for you and your family.
Thank you for being a platform for Clayton to speak out on this horrible subject. My heart goes out to him as I can only imagine the hell he has been through by the hands of this person
Get your story out there Clayton! This woman MUST be stopped! Praying that the scales of the justice system lean 100% your way 🙏🏼🩶
Great podcast! I just wish Clayton would publicly acknowledge Dave Neal who was the only one covering this story for months (and who is now being sued by Clayton's accuser!) And acknowledge the Dave Neal community who organized and funded the GoFundMe for his legal expenses. While none of them participated for the acknowledgement, Clayton owes them a huge THANK YOU!
I think k Clayton is running with the Some podcaster joke. 🤣 at least that’s what I’m assuming which is funny IMO
I also wish Clayton would give Dave Neal the acknowledgment Dave truly deserves
I think it's very possible (based on the fact that Clayton didn't mention ANY names) that this is part of his legal strategy.
@@QVGayman the yukky other pod caster was named. Not by Clayton, but his name was said. I am sad he did not mention Dave. He helped him so much through this.
Legit. Dave Neal is going through h*ll right now too because of Jane Doe. Really sucks that no one is acknowledging that Dave has been there from the beginning!!
Follow up pod in March please!!!! As a mother of 2 girls and 4 boys both sides of these situations and their outcomes are so intriguing to me. I'm a mother who always wants to teach my kids to do right and trust that the truth will be the deciding factor.
Holy smokes!!!! I get what they were saying about it preventing real victims from coming forward, but Clayton was/is a victim and he matters too! This happened to my friend. This..plot twist...married woman (he didn't know that) said he got her pregnant. She sent sonograms and she even went to his parents without talking to him. His parents all but disowned him. The truth finally came out that she wasn't pregnant (or that it was her husband's, I don't recall). Women should be held accountable for this crap too! It's Life is already complicated enough, especially if there IS an accidental pregnancy.
She should definitely go to jail! This is fraud and financial abuse, status abuse among other things
I’m so sorry for your loss Matt & Abby. This was such a good episode. I love how Matt asks the hard questions while remaining impartial & respectful. I don’t listen to many podcasts but the unplanned podcast is definitely one I don’t miss. Sorry you have to go through this Clayton and I hope Feb 27th brings you the closure on all of this that you deserve.
Thank you for giving him a voice! He is hurting and this lady needs to stop. Hard to watch the pain, but thank you!
I watched for myself the court hearing and this woman is INSANE. This woman’s family needs to get a court order and get her admitted into a facility for extensive psychiatric treatment. I mean that statement with no joking.
I also wanted to say that I do not watch the Bachelor and had no idea who Clayton was, however I am rooting for this man and wish him nothing but the best and I am glad that he has a platform to share his experience.
@kellegaus6457 same. I saw the court case covered on Law Talk with Mike so it's interesting getting some of the context straight from Clayton. I agree with him that her parents are responsible for enabling her behavior and not getting her the help she needs.
THANK YOU for getting Clayton’s story out there on a bigger platform!
My condolences 🙏🏾. I think that the woman who claimed this false pregnancy against Clayton should be held accountable and be charged with wasting the time and money of the judicial system. She should also be responsible for your court costs since she lied. Such a horrible individual. Her parents are just as bad for allowing her behavior to happen.
So happy you covered this. BOTTOM LINE IS LIARS LIKE THIS SHOULD GET IN TROUBLE. Lying on marriage licenses, then silencing the victim should be taken more seriously. I have had my life destroyed. I so understand
OMG, THE POWER OF PRESENCE! I've been struggling and determined to crawl out of misery and anxiety and just in the last 2-3 weeks realized the power of presence is huge and has and is helping my mindset, my mood! And the HUGE point of CHOOSING to be happy!!! It takes a lot of constant effort and sorry for all the caps. but this is so amazing!!
Gosh I feel so bad for this man, made me cry, how can people be like this 🥺.
Great interview! I can't believe she has been able to do this so many times. I hope Clayton gets some justice!
Abby, my condolences are with you and your family. I will pray for peace and healing for you all.
Clayton, I am so sorry for the horrendous things you have gone through and are currently going through. Your passion about this is palpable. Nothing but support from me!
Awesome interview. Very raw, emotional, and real.
Justice for CLAYTON!
We’ve got cha back!
I am a feminist and I believe women but this isn’t like an assault case where evidence could be nebulous. It (as far as I’m aware) shouldn’t be traumatizing to take a dna test for a baby…so I don’t understand why the courts won’t move forward with prosecution ‘for fear of real victims coming forward’ that would make sense to me in a false assault case but not a false consensual baby case.
A true feminist is also a mens rights activist. Do you agree?
The net positive would be more men coming forward. There may be some female victims that may not come forward because of this but I see more men coming forward in place of that. Which as i said is a net positive.
@@Terrorrai1I promise she doesn't agree😭
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I know exactly who your talking about , we just finished up our court case with this crazy lady and she pretty much robbed us.
ummmmm. lets chat?
You should talk to Dave Neal
😳
Dude, seriously get a hold of Dave! He will share your story with the utmost respect for you and get the facts out!! Good luck
Sent by some podcaster named Dave Neal . Thanks for covering what so many in Bachelor Nation refuse to do.
Um, he isnt just "some" podcaster, he is really the only podcaster to take this case on from the very beginning. Even when he was sued by Jane Doe, he still did not let that derail his objective in getting the truth out. In turn, I believe he saved Clayton's spirit if you will as his objective reporting made it possible for all of us to become aware of the facts of the case. In my opinion if there were an academy awards for youtube, Dave would certainly be in contention to receive one for his video journalism
ps my reply though is not in any way a criticism of this channel or Matt's interview. Matt did a phenomenal job and seriously nailed this interview in a grand way!
@@michelleshaw3618 Um, "some podcaster" is an on ongoing joke (oops! I did it again w/ ongoing!) you might not in on or be familiar with, including shirts and other swag you can buy that are linked to Daves channel. Dave is forever "some podcaster" thanks to Clayton and Nick.
@@teresas.4541oh gosh now I’m embarrassed I’m so sorry for coming across brazen ; I guess the joke is on me ! Glad you are team Dave ❤
Clayton you have matured so much! The only way we mature and grow is through pain. You are brave enough to talk about it…to explain it. And you’ve grown from several situations so you have this perspective and NOW the opportunity to share your experience. You go!
Onward! You get to choose where and how to shine…
Definitely you do NOT have to have pain to mature and grow. Many many do that naturally with no pain at all.
@@kalyco6211 you are fortunate that you have had a different experience.
Clayton is doing this lady a service.
It’s a lot of anxiety putting up a charade like that. It might have been exciting drama in beginning, but it goes straight to anxiety in a heartbeat.
I do hope she confesses for his sake and her own sake.
Thank you for posting this story. It breaks my heart for Clayton. With all the lives lost to mental health, Clayton speaking to this helps alot.
I am a Dave Neal supporter and so proud he stuck by him all this time. He also getting sued. And it does help that he gets recognized also. His own family is getting affected by this story. He is now a Victim also for doing the right thing
I really enjoyed listening to this episode! I haven’t seen this season of the Bachelor, but this guy seems very kind, genuine, and very introspective & self reflective. Love to see it!!!
I'm glad Dave Neal mentioned to head over and watch this. Thank you! Great watch
I am so sorry Abby for your loss. I can't imagine the pain you are going through. Can we also take a minute and give Matt props for how well he handled the podcast by himself. Great job Matt!
I'm a CSA survivor. While I inherently agree that going after every case where it appears that an alleged victim is lying would probably deter future actual victims, in extreme cases where it's painfully obvious and easily provable they're lying like this and another certain high profile liar and abuser, they absolutely should be prosecuted. To not is an insult to actual victims, to their victims like Clayton, and to the justice system.
You have to think of the other side. How many men ARENT coming forward because society never sees them as victims. I think the lesser of two evils is exposing frauds instead of male victims going silent and men end up self terminating.
I love what he said,”through discomfort, growth happens” that was such an amazing way to think about it.
Such a great episode. I wish it was longer. I feel so bad for Clayton. He's so passionate about this injustice it is palpable. Great that you gave him a chance to speak.
So sorry about Abby's grandpa. I feel like I was just watching a video of him going to get a coffee when Abbey was working at the coffee shop that one day. 😢
I'm so sorry for your loss, my thoughts and prayers are with you all. I remember when you had him on the podcast, he sure had a great life!
Wait I'm confused
@@lovemodeldeleanAbby's grandfather.
This podcast is becoming NEXT LEVEL! Your guests are so interesting and I especially love this vulnerable conversation between two men. You guys are amazing! Keep up the great work!❤❤
He’s so well spoken. I have no idea who this is but he just has a way with words 😍😍
Matt, you did such a great job with this interview! I love watching you and Abby together with another person or couple but this was such a different feel and it was a great addition to what you guys have already done. Well done! Sending prayers to Abby ❤
Clayton, so sorry you had to go through this. Abby, condolences for your grandfather.
Prayers for Abby abd her family and thank you for sharing Clayton's story. The truth needs to come out to as much light as her article in the Sun did.
Sending Prayers to Abby and family. God bless you. And very sorry for your loss 🙏🏻
So sorry for your loss Abby…Keeping you & your family in my thoughts & prayers❤
First time watching The Unplanned Podcast. Thanks for covering this 😊 Watching to support Clayton!!! You have so many people in your corner!
My sincere condolences for the loss of your grandfather, Abby!! Hugs and 🙏
I’m so sorry for your loss. You are all in our thoughts and prayers ❤
love this couch and conversation!
This calm, supportive conversation is exactly what the world needs.
Regarding sanctions, she didn't make a simple mistake, or even tell a garden-variety lie. She went out of her way to FABRICATE ELABORATE EVIDENCE. Fabrication of evidence to introduce to the court as proof of something is a CRIME, not mere perjury. The court will not be able to look the other way.
You'll notice that the moment she lawyered up, the universe of her allegations got much smaller, but the truth was still nowhere to be found. Lawyers cannot introduce false evidence nor suborn perjury without fear of serious professional reprisal, including disbarment. You may wish to talk to a good libel/slander attorney - Roberta Kaplan's office takes high profile cases and wins them. You need and deserve quality representation like her.
It's heartbreaking to hear how deeply you have suffered by this nutloaf's intentional acts. You are another bead on the string of men she's done this to, she must be deterred! While it seems clear she is has an undiagnosed mental illness, she also has an established pattern of harmful behavior that has to end.
Lastly, she thinks nothing of wasting scarce court resources, which the judge will not be able to discount.
You have a strong slander/libel case against her for besmirching your good name.
I don't agree that women who are genuinely pregnant - with real, DNA-having fetuses - will have any difficulty properly accessing court resources, simply because one woman who fabricated evidence of a non-existent, fake pregnancy, was punished for perpetrating a fraud upon the court. On the other hand, if the court fails to punish nutloaf magoo, it essentially throws open its doors and sets out a red carpet to warmly welcome and embrace those who would perpetrate more frauds of all kinds upon it.
It sets a bad precedent and it's bad public policy to let nutloaf get away with this. The fact that she's done it before, and has had so many opportunities to tell the truth along the way, will hang her.
Your takeaway message, about how your support network is so important, cannot be overstated. Difficult things come up in our lives, and we need help to get through the rough times. Having an infrastructure you can lean on when the going gets tough is essential.
It's what we do to strengthen our social backbones during the easy times, that makes them strong for us during the hard times.
Oh, and be careful out there - the Hot/Crazy Matrix is real! We can do a lot to avoid trouble by vetting for mental health first! This applies to women and men equally.
SO glad Clayton and all her other victims are coming forward!
So sorry for the loss of Abby’s grandfather. May God comfort your family at this difficult time 🙏
Thank you for covering this topic. Dave Neal played a segment of this on his podcast & suggested coming here to listen to the entire podcast. Great interview. Praying for resolution for Clayton.
Wow! What an episode!!! It’s unfortunate how people are. I’m glad he’s pulling through though.
Please give my condolences to Abby and her Family! 🙏🏼
Clayton, I stand with you! I’m proud of you for speaking out against your abuser. In doing so, you’re also protecting future victims. I’ve been following this story since she made it public in September. Dave Neal has been covering since the beginning.
A really sad episode but grateful to Clayton for sharing all. RIP Grandpa! 🙏
Bad-*ss move Matt to get Clayton on. Been following his story through Dave Neal videos. It's unfortunate what has happened to Clayton. But as he says it has been huge life lessons and growth. I've prayed for him & all Jane Does victims for the truth to be exposed. I am happy Clayton is able to share his story on your platform. Hang in there Clayton. You've done a remarkable job through this nightmare. Wow,, my hat goes off to Clayton for not giving up. And I'm grateful you have a strong support system of ppl in your life. They are the true heroes. And you Clayton one day will be able to help if not already many others. God Bless you Clayton as you move fwd.
Hugs and prayers to you all on the loss of Abby's grandfather. 🙏🙏🫂🫂
I thank God that He is providing the clarity, strength, and courage for Clayton to pursue justice and peace of mind for himself and others who are victims of mental abuse. I’m also praying that He brings clarity to Clayton’s abuser and her parents that coming clean and admitting their wrongs is a very freeing way to continue in life. Repentance and forgiveness are the most powerful words we can offer! God bless you both and my condolences to Abby on the loss of her grandmother. 🙏🥰
My grandfather is going through a health crisis at this time. My heart is with your family Abby❤Take all the time you need guys.
this was intense man...I really enjoyed this episode..truly sorry for what he is going through...great job on the interview Matt you are really good at this ❤
My heart goes out to Clayton.
As soon as I heard "11 days afterwards she told me she was pregnant" and "she'd only keep the baby if I dated her" I went, "it's vanishingly unlikely she's pregnant, and she's *definitely* trying to screw you over for money, fame, or both".
Sadly, even if he can get whatever the US version of substantial indemnity and punitive damages are, he's still going to be out a lot of money and will still have to deal with all the damage she caused.
I also understand why the State probably won't prosecute her. It's already too hard for honest women to come forward when dishonest men have acted against them.
I really hate women like her. They make the rest of us look like liars when we're not, and they make it harder for *everyone* to get actual justice.
Clayton, you understand a lot of things that most men in your situation wouldn't. I respect the hell out of you for understanding that her doing this is evidence of sickness rather than something that women just do. And I respect the hell out of you for doing this "for the next guy", so to speak, not just clearing your own name. That was a big reason why I reported my abusive ex and the man who raped me and went through with testifying even though I knew they'd walk. I couldn't handle the thought of them doing it to someone else because I didn't want the pain and further trauma of testifying.
I also found that being open and vulnerable about my own struggles has allowed people to be vulnerable with me. A joy shared is doubled, and a burden shared is halved, and my own vulnerability has allowed me halve the burdens of others. And I'm so grateful for that opportunity.
Clayton, I wish you every happiness in your life away from that lying manipulator
I think you guys should have on DAVE NEAL and hear even more details about this story and the other crazy things that have gone on behind the scenes!
😢 aww sad, so sorry for your loss Abby. i literally watched your grandparents podcast hours ago.
I gave birth to twins in 2019. I didnt have any family members or friends who had twins and I was freaking out. I joined many "moms of twins" support groups, info groups, etc... when I was pregnant. I met so many amazing women through those groups. Sadly, the type of identical twins I had are high risk. I met many moms who lost one or both twins in utero or at birth. It makes me so mad that this psycho is so comfortable not only lying about being pregnant with twins but also lying about losing the babies. I hope she can grow up, get help, and stop this behavior.
About halfway through. Great podcast so far. Never heard of Clayton before but he seems like a really, really cool person. Enjoyable to listen to someone my age (early 30s) so mature and enlightened.
This crazy chick needs to face some jail time as well she should have to pay his attorney fees & pay for the mental anguish she has caused. I also hope that no man will ever go near her again.
Clayton I doubt you will read this but I'm so sorry this happened to you.
I am keeping Abby and her family in my prayers. So very sorry for your loss 🙏
I’m sorry that this is happening to you and hopefully she gets the help she needs. As well as the help you need to get through this situation 🙏
I'm glad Clayton you came on and told your story about the woman I feel for you !
Love catching these during insomnia hours. 220am watch
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I'm so Proud of him that he nit let up on this. Keep it go Clayton l pray her lies get fully exposed
Sending you both so much love! Praying for you and your family Abby during this time of grief. 🧡🧡
This was a great episode! I'm hoping this man gets justice & that that woman doesn't do this to anyone else🙏🤞.
Sending, love, prayers & condolences to Abby & her family...thinking of all of you in this difficult time🥺💔🙏❤️. Safe travels to you both
I'm glad people are hearing his story and are empathetic to the situation. Justice for Clayton
Best wishes to Clayton in dealing with this awful woman, what a great man who does not deserve this terrible situation ❤
Prayers for Abby and family great podcast once again❤
The court needs to hold her responsible! The fact that she has done this over and over is despicable! She’s a danger to society!