DIY - Easy ceiling fan light diagnosis and repair! (with dmm)
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- DIY - Easy ceiling fan light diagnosis and repair!
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Finally someone who intelligently explained how and why and what they were doing
This video is old, but thank you for posting it! Bypassed that little box and my lights now work. I’m no electrician so this video was extremely helpful. My application was slightly different in wire color variation but figured it out.
Glad it helped
How can u bypass this and still have working lights on fan
thanks. Detailed. Very well.
Thank you so much! 6 years later and this video is still helpful
The dog at the end with the "you don't know me like that playa 🤨" stance 😂😂
Exactly what I needed. This worked perfectly and took about 5 minutes in total. Thanks!
this video helped alot, I took the light fixture down and come to find out the homeowner did this exact same thing and I had to just tighten the wires up and good to go.
Hi Tim,
I found this very helpful, but I think you've left out some info. The white wire to the voltage limiter is going to be cut and tied off with a wire nut, but not be tied to another wire.
I put electrical tape on my wire nuts. I thought that was preferred. I'm not an electrician, but I thought taping was good practice.
The music is not helping the video.
The written graphics you added were very useful. Thank you.
Thanks for the feedback!
Great video. This just happened to my ceiling fan lights. I have a weekend project now, thank you.
Thanks! You have a great name by the way ;)
Thank you for your help. I was able to change out light switch in the fan and get fan working. Really informative video.
Thanks for your video. It helped me figure out what was wrong with my ceiling fan lights.
I think I have that same fan. And I just recently had the same problem. And now I’ve found an easy fix. Thanks, man. Have a good day and stay safe.
I dropped light assembly & was fortunate to find a "reset switch" on Hunter light assembly.
😂😂
Thank you so much Tim! Our light in the den had been out for over 8 years and had some time to research the problem and sure enough it was a bad voltage limiter. I do have a dumb question though, is it okay to operate the lights without the limiter? You saved me some with $$ with your tip! thank you again and happy 2023!
I can't say it's ok but I have yet to replace mine.... I'm using low power led bulbs
Nice video. Great step by step explanations. Thanks
Thank you so much, you save me a lot of money.
Thanks, Tim! Worked like a charm!
If your fan has a white quick disconnect, you shouldn't have to remove power, just undo the QD and remove the lower half.
make a quick drawing of the switch and show which wires go where, or take a pic. so you know where to place the new wires
when cutting wires for the new switch, strip off only about 1/4" otherwise the wire will be too flimsy to wiggle it in (haha) and gently wiggle them in one at a time, give a lite tug on each connection at the switch so you know it's gonna hold, then reassemble, test before installing the lower half.
You just saved me quite a bit of money good sir. Thank you.
I love how I found the car mechanic to help me with my lamp XD
Perfect! Thank you so much! Was able to get in there and see what I needed to do! 😊
Can't see what you're doing
Great Information! Thanks Tim!
Worked like a charm
Thanks for the info. I had a three light setup under my fan. All of a sudden lights stopped working. I take out one bulb and the other two turn on. Replaced all three with same 60 watt bulb and worked for a month. I will check for loose wire or that black box.
My Hampton Bay ceiling fan had a similar problem (light would flash on very quickly then stay off, until switch toggled again). Voltage to light was only from 2-20 watts. Turn out my fan does not have one of the little regulators, the culprit was a broken wall light switch (plastic literally crumbled when removed).
You can turn off the light and fan switch at the wall so you do not have to be in the dark while working. You definitely do not want to put the light housing back on the fan base with power on because you could pinch the wire(s) and cause a shock. Better to be safe.
I’m glad there’s a few posts sharing your/our opinion here. The helpful instructions went out the window when he’s suddenly in the dark and uses his hand to shield whatever he cuts off twice! I stopped watching immediately and luckily found plenty of others with the same comments. Especially when yes, he could have turned off the light connection had he flipped a wallswitch. Then I found many others that explain how to fix the problem if the culprits the chain pull switch. And oh, that’s the correct way to repair a faulty light, not just bypass the culprit part unless it’s an emergency and you’re living an hour or more from the nearest watering hole!
@Aleta King which other videos did you find? I am wanting to replace that limiter and not just bypass it..
There's videos for just about anything isn't there? Definitely trying this tomorrow.
Great video, thank you! Just curious - what is the purpose of that limiter? Does removing it present any safety concerns?
protects the cheaper wiring in newer fans expected to run CFL or led lights, prevents you from overpowering the circuitry with high wattage conventional bulbs.
@@EpicTim so, is this a fire hazard. Are my wires gonna get hot now???
I learned from another video that possibly you could install low wattage led bulbs. Might that work too?
Only if the limiter is working right. In my case the bulbs were working then the limiter went out several months later
Thanks. I removed mine and problem solved!
You da man Tim! Thanks!
PS. Why does the light have a voltage limiter in the first place?
It's for modern wiring standards, keeps you from installing 100w or larger incandescent bulbs and burning things up.
thank you; excellent!!!
Watching your video I cut my limiter out but then I realized wouldn't the voltage limiter actually be used as speed control for ceiling fan low,mid,high? Wouldn't that also explain 5v possibility being low fan setting not lighting issue, what I'm saying sounds right but I have no clue if it is right
Those are two different modules. This is just for the lights. If it controlled the fan and wasn't working. The far wouldn't spin
Yep, mission success. Thanks Tim
Thank you . Blue wire is light power
Much appreciated.
If your fan has a remote to turn on the light, try holding down the light on switch for 3 seconds to control the brightness of the lights
OK thank you sooo much this worked and saved me $. from buying a new fan..... My Limiter was reading 108 , after the Box and 120 before..
So my question is what is it even there for ? seems pointless if both ends have to read 120+...... Also to be honest I am not going to order another limiter 🤣 so knowing this ahead of time.what is the " hazard" of this if any ? T hank you 🙏
it just keeps you from running high wattage bulbs and burning up the wires.
@@EpicTim so essentially if you use the same type bulbs that came with it, then to bypass the limiter is safe to do? I know that is what it the issue because I've not changed anything and the fan works.
Yeah the lights work
my fan has a big black box. CBB61 All the videos that I had watched don't have what I have. How lucky am I?
Me too any suggestions
Thanks. You made it simple to fix.
Did you write that tune in the background of the wire switch?
My fan was working and my light was working but my fan pull cord broke. I bought a new pull cord and replaced it - the light now works and now my fan doesn’t 🤦🏼♂️. All connections look okay and when the fan is on, it hums, but doesn’t turn. Thanks for the help.
My light pull cord broke, not fan**** my bad
Sounds like you have something on wrong and its holding the fan back, could be a screw in the wrong spot or the cover touching the blades. Can you spin the blades by hand? Smoothly?
Hi Tim, thanks for the response. I have not put the unit back together yet so I don’t think it’s a screw and nothing is touching the blades.
@@mattbrewer3804 do the blades spin by hand? dont force them if they dont. if they do, does it grind or have excess resistance by feel?
They turn very smoothly.
It's a Harbor Breeze Springfield II. It's better to remove the Wattage Limiter than buying a new Limiter on the Fan and being in the Fan, Wattage Limiters are useless, description of the music is wrong, it was Brontosaurus by Tophr Mohr & Alex Elena.
thanks, I'll fix that right now!
Thanks
Hi epic tim I have the exact fan and I’m looking for the insides were the two orange wires go to no videos shows that can you make a video on that and take a screen shot
Howdy, I'm just a guy with a fan, I don't sell fans, I'm not a contractor. Sorry I couldn't be more help
It helped, thank you!
Hi! Im looking for the lamp assembly with those exact quick connects. I can't seem to find it on line. Any suggestions?
Just a guess but it may be cheaper to buy a whole new fan assembly - the one in the video came from Lowes.
Good video - thanks.
My older Hampton Bay fan had the same problem - fan worked fine but the lights all four suddenly quit working. In my case, it turned out to the the light control pull-switch had failed. I got a generic replacement from Home Depot with the same number of connections for about $5, swapped it out, and the lights worked perfectly again.
I think my trouble is going to have a similar problem. My son turned the light off by pulling the chain pretty hard instead of just flipping the light switch off on the wall. There’s a fan switch and another for the light that I’ve always used, so I’m guessing he yanked it too hard and broke it off inside. I hope that’s a visible indication in my case. In this video, this guys cutting some wires loose in the dark and his hands are blocking the vie entirely so idk what he’s really doing. The first part of his instructions seemed to be explained well enough and I was able to follow along, but my compliment goes right out the window when he wrecked it by concealing whatever he’s doing with his hands covering up that seemingly important step! So I hope my prob is like yours and the chain’s the culprit. I’m glad I happened upon your reply!!
thanks❤
Limiter, capacitor, regulator.. I’ve heard all these terms to describe the only big box in the ceiling fan.
Are they all the same thing?
Those terms mean different things. A capacitor would help the fan start spinning. a regulator would limit voltage to either the fan, lights, or a controller. A limiter is for main level voltage but not allowing more than a set level of amps to protect wiring from high wattage bulbs
@@EpicTim got it. In other words I’m nowhere near electrically skilled enough to deal with a ceiling fan turning on haha rip. Thanks for preventing a huge disaster 😂
@@statichispanic6344 it's good to know your limits
There goes the us congress getting involved with something to regulate. Gas cans and now ceiling fan light watt regulators that break. My fan is two years old and it broke already.
Great video, thank you.
Hi Epic, your video is very informative. However, I have Hunter ceiling fan with different current limiter. It has two white wires (in and out) and one red wire. The white wires is easy fix but the red wire is a question. If I cut the red wire and remove the limiter now what wires I need to connect the red one to
What does the other end connect to?
What if the fan or light doesn’t work ?
On my current limiting device one side I have blue red and yellow wires going in and then on the other side I have black wire going out.
How do I cut all the wires off
The current limiting device and join them together with a wire nut?
if your wire colors are different you will need to test the in's and outs
That is a Harbor breeze Springfield ceiling fan
Dear Tim, I have the same fan with just 1 regulator in it, My light and fan won't work. What is the solution? Do I buy the regulator as I have to order online, home depot or lowes do not carry instore. Thanks
First check for power then check the switches, if both fan and lights dont work you probably have a different problem
My Hunter fan lights stopped working. I don't know how you can remove that part and have the lights still work properly? That part has a purpose, otherwise the manufacturer would not have put it in there.
It's a wattage limiter, you for sure need it for fire code. I'm not advocating anyone remove it. This is just how you diagnose it's failure.
Question the lights wont turn off what needs to be done sir thanks
Do you really need the power box?
If 120v is bad can you tell us what good is? I'm getting 24vac and my lights don't work. Brand new honeywell fan. Ty
But isn't the limiter there for a reason and should be replaced instead of bypassed? Asking from ignorante point.
Yes, my advice is to replace it. My video shows how to verify when it fails that everything else works
@EpicTim ok. I have that problem, and I didn't know what I was supposed to replace. Thanks so much.
If the lights flicker even with a new bulb or they just burn out at the same time. It’s usually the limited that has gone bad.
Red to black right ? That should do it ?
Nice vid , if I bypass it, there is no problem??
Potential liability since you would be permanently defeating a safety advice
One bulb of three out and it's not the bulb(s). Probably the wire joints under their crimp, so I need to re-do that with wire nuts. But more importantly, while standing on a ladder with a flashlight, how did you get the light fixture wire connectors apart exactly! Thanks!
I think i used a zip ty to hold the weight if i remember correctly
@@EpicTim Got it figured out and it's done! Thanks to you!
If you don't need the relay box, why did it come with it new? Not trying to be a smartaz.just asking
Fire safety... As wiring gets thinner and cheaper it prevents you from putting a 100 watt bulb in there and drawing too much heat
i have a ceiling fan that comes on with the separate light switch. There's a red wire which i connected to the blue but same thing happened. Then I capped off the red wire but still same problem. Any ideas? 💡 🙏🏽
Check for power on both sides of the wall switch
Just found out the lights DO still work, after they seemed dead for long time but still the fan is dead ( in a heat wave!) Can it be saved please?
Its unlikely to rebuild the fan motor. You can verify my turning the blades by hand. If they dont spin freely, the fan motor is shot
You sound like a cool dad man😂
Hah! This video was before I had a kid lolz
why does it need a power limiter? do the lights exceed the power allowed by the fan? is it because of the resistance of the wire? why?
They had to add that to reduce fire risk when people were putting multiple 100 watt incandescent bulbs in their fans.
Hay guys my Regency ceiling fan capacitor is broken. Here's how I know. When I flip the light switch on the light comes on but immediately go off. How do I by pass it. The first video was spot on but nothing was to clear to follow & hands were in the way. The capacitor has five wires 2 gray, 1 beige, 1 purple, 1 red, 1 brown. Please can some one help👍🫶🤨
You should include (need dmm) in title
Will do
Hi. My ceiling fan works fine but the lights doesn't work. I find it quite weird because when I put my test pen on the bulb sockets, the test pen lights up but if I put a bulb there in the socket, it doesn't light up at all. I'm quite puzzled when this happened.
Possible that the socket wore out or the voltage is way off
hey mine has the limiter already out
Thanks for your video. I have a Hampton Bay Ceiling Fan. The fan works fine but the lights do not work. I've been trying to locate the wattage limiter but cannot find it. My ceiling fan is about 10 years old, so I am not sure if they mandated the wattage limiters after this time or not. I know that I should be able to fix it instead of buying a new one. Do you have any other suggestions, if my fan does not come with a limiter?
Thank you!
i'm not sure what year they started - if it's 10 years old and hasent had an issue, it's probably your switch, these wattage limiters don't last long....
Thank you I'm gonna get to work
what if some lights are working some are not? the bulbs are ok
How about when the fan is the one that's not working?
Check relays, fuses, and wiring. Use a glove and see if it spins easy by hand when the car is off
Thanks for the video. I wonder how you disconnected the cables at 0:33. I think I have the same connectors, but can't get out of it. Should I press somewhere with something? I tried pull out hard but it wouldn't move. Please help me. Really appreciated.
There should be a plastic tab in the side of the white connector, you just have to depress the tab to make it slide out.
"Replace it at a later date" yeah right.
true story, to this date, it's still not been replaced lol
Spot on exactly! If you’re going to fix it then fix it!
😂😂😂👏👏👏
HI, I just wanted to leave a question, hoping you could help me here. Hunter LED 52" Avia II Ceiling Fan and replaced it with my older ceiling fan. everything seemed perfect except, one of the light bulbs constantly goes off after a few minutes of lighting. I thought maybe it's the light bulb issues, so I changed each bulb from onside to the other to check if the problem was the bulb. However, I figured out that it wasn't the bulb, but one side (of the bulb socket?) had an issue and constantly (after few minutes of usage) goes off no matter what. I am so frustrated, and wanted to ask what i can do from here.
could be alot of things, you should call their customer support
what is the use of the black box if you just bypassed it? why do you need to replace it?
its a wattage limiter, prevents over wattage bulbs from being used
Thank you for your video. My limiter and harness are a little different. I have a red wire coming from plastic wiring block (connector) to limiter, and then two white wires at limiter, one coming in from plastic wiring block to limiter on right side, and one going out to fan up/down switch for flow direction. Any info on how to bypass limiter, which wires go where after removal? Thanks very much.
Check your power in and out and link those together
@@EpicTim I’m sorry. Link what together? That was my question. In what area would I test the power? Thank you.
120v before and after the limiter
Thanks so much! There was no power to it, removed canopy at top and found worn wire coating. Respliced and everything is working! Thanks for your help!
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What if you only have a white and red wire coming out of it what do you do then?
you need to test the in's and out's to determine what lines up with what
Wife flopped the switch to the fan/light. It didn’t come on. So she pulled the light chain, and then went and flipped the switch and she heard a pop. She didn’t smell anything, but now the entire new fan doesn’t work. Breaker didn’t trip, but I cut it off for the time being bc I could still detect power at the light sockets. What do I need to fix? Something in fan or in attic?
Could be a few things, check for power at the fan motor connection. if your fan has a start capacitor see if it discharged anything.
You're leaving out the rank beginners here, which I guess is most of us. You don't tell us what color the wires are going to the disconnect, and you shoot it from so far away we can't see. You don't show us how to release it, you just say use a plastic tool. At that point I gave up and went to Johnny the House Buyer's video on the same subject. He put the camera right up there and showed how the disconnect works. Maybe I'm an idiot, but for a novice, working with live wires is very intimidating, and we need very simple, clear instructions. Your video would be OK for an electrician's class, not a newbie homeowner.
Thanks for the feedback, im still learning video editing and production
Thanks for pointed me towards Johnny the House Buyer. Appreciate Epic Tim too.
I tried to cut that delimiter off and hardwired the hot wire straight the blue one which is connected to the light, and nothing works anymore.
different brand and models of fans can be wired differently, thats why i broke it down with the volt meter.
is the ceilings and broke or something
Hello Tim I have a different issue my light works but I can smell something burning while the light is on but when I cut it off everything is fine and the smell goes away and the fan stays on with no burning smell what could this be?
if you smell burning, check and see what's getting HOT - could be a short or a bad bulb or fan motor
the power was on after and the fan worked but the lights wouldnt
Too dark for me to tell what you are doing. I need to do this but the entire music part of the video is unviewable as far as seeing what you are doing
Maybe take off your sunglasses lol - in all seriousness, thanks for the feedback, I'm still working on better edits of my future videos.
@@EpicTim i actually liked the music.. it was cool
Epic Tim maybe turn a little light on the situation instead of a crack pot joke...sunglasses...please! Maybe listen to a good critique bro!
What if only one light does not work?
That sounds more like a bulb, socket, or wire issue
we disconnect the white and jump rd and black together?
from the wattage limiter yes, do not cap off the white quick disconnect you need that still!
Epic Tim thanks; works just great ;-)
So two out of our four sockets don't work any idea? I currently have the power off from the breaker. The sockets done seem loose and screw in the socket seems tight.
If you have a meter, start by checking the front and back of the two dead sockets for power. possible that you just have a bad connection.
Sir, I have a Hampton Bay fan with lights & it just stopped working. I turned the power off at the source, I installed switches at the wall, took the fan off, tightened the caps at the ceiling & nada! I still don't have a rotary fan, no lights! What gives. Can you help? Also: does the capacitor on the fan also controls the lights or no? Please...
If your fan motor and lights are not working, check for power before and after the wall switch and pull chain switches.
@@EpicTim Oops! I forgot to mention that mine is Remote control! I also changed batteries on the remote! (I did not check for power after installing the wall switches; I don't have a tester! Wow! And thanks for the quick reply!
What if u have a remotely controlled fan with a dimmer switch on the remote would this still work
If your fan has a wattage limiter its worth testing it
@@EpicTim can I still bypass it
So the lights will work
@@cedricignatius its one of many reasons you light may not work. Worth a shot but may or may not solve your specific problem
@@EpicTim thanks for your help I will try it out
do u wire black red & WHITE TOGETHER?
this is dependent to your model of fan, you will need to check the circuit. ultimately you want power in/out, ground in/out connected from the wall straight to the fan motor to temporarily bypass the wattage limiter and see if that is the issue you are having.
I would like to know how I can put the blade that is falling out of my Allen Roth remote control ceiling fan how can I get to it please help
sorry i cant help you with that one - try calling the manufactuer