Not unlike RandyBowe3986, I've been in the business for exactly 40years now. I bought an original 513 in probably the mid-late 1980s. I have used the snot out of this machine and though it's pretty beat looking, it still works great! I have never had to get it repaired nor have I ever had to replace any parts on it even after what has got to be thousands of lock mortises cut. I'd like to assure you that in my opinion, you explained this tool and the process very well. This is the first video of yours I've watched, and I found it because I was looking for a freshen up tutorial on the 513 because it's been a few years since I've used it, and my memory isn't what it used to be. This video is just what I needed! Thanks!
40+ years here ,used the same type of machine mortising doors commercially, slow down,and I think you will be just fine. That said I love watching your videos, you do a great job with your work. And I have learned a few tricks from you. Thanks
I have a 513 that I purchased about forty years ago and it's still going strong. I paid about $700 for it at the time. It is doing a dandy job of mortising doors for the Emtek pocket door locks on my current job.
And most homeowners think “it’s just a door handle” and never seem to realize how much time goes into these simple things especially if you have to do it by hand.
Hang one door slab and you quickly realize how much of a pain in the butt these things are. Especially if you don't have all the templates and decent routers and bits.
I work at a door manufacturer, and while I don't use the stool myself, we do have one and it seems to work just fine. So for what it's worth, my guess is that either the nut that you re-tightened or some other nut on the device is over overtightened and causing unaccounted for strain on the very thin wire. Obviously something is bound up, that much can be seen from the video. And it makes sense that resistance at the joints and strain on the cable would be greatest at the point where you're changing directions. I can understand it would be tempting, given that you have a high velocity bit and you're trying to make a precision-cut, to keep everything as tight as posible. But unless machines are precision built and well-oiled, constraints on joints are really not possible. My suggestion would be to loosen everything up just a little bit and it should work fine. There is after all a reason the bolt that you tightened has a locking gasket. Manufactures don't spend the extra money on such things unless they serve a purpose. That joint has to make a hundred and eighty degree turn under force and should have absolutely no resistance on it adding to the strain on the cable. Sorry, if this post comes off as preachy.
Every video that you made have a tons of information I’m really pleased to find your channel . You are inspiration for younger generations. Keep going and God bless you.👍🏻
I am in possession of a Bosch mortising jig that I have had for 20 years. Previously when I was a contractor in the San Francisco Bay area I installed many mortise lock sets.
Your good Iam going to do several Emtec pkt latches. I have several tempaco tools. Going to order all the templates for the emtec hardware. When I needed mortise maching years ago pc was backorded I bought a Virutex glad I did. I had 300 kaba hotel locks to do. The units were furnished so the dust port on thr Virutex helped keeping things clean. The verutex springs back after depth is complete.
Great video! I'm a handy homeowner but will let a finish carpenter install our Emtek pocket door locks. Nice to see what goes into cutting those mortises.
As always great video and explanation. I like to do my hardware before hanging the doors I just think it’s easier that way But I just got a jambmaster today and your the man to show me the best to set it up and how it works. I got most of the stuff off your amazon store today to get the show going your videos are top notch (please please a jambmaster start to finish installation)
Just picked up the templaco Emtek template jig a few months back before seeing this video. It did work pretty well on the five pocket doors we did on that job. I just use a regular router, but I had to use a spade bit to finish off the back depth of the mortise it was kind of a pain. Good info! Thanks
Sorry for your luck, you must have got a lemon built on Friday at the end of the shift. I have used these 513 for years and years, never had any issues. You absolutely need one to install mortise hardware all day long. It will pay for itself in less than a month. I wouldn’t be without one.
We had this at the locksmith school. Great piece of equipment if you have to install a lot of mortise locks. I also like the Templaco templates, just hate making a hole in the wood. I do think you were going pretty fast on the mortise jig. I just go at a slow steady pace. My former boss bought a new one and it broke without even being used once. It must of been assembled incorrectly is my guess. Great video.
I have a portacable original model for over 30 and the only thing I to replace was a set screw. The new ones will never last that long. I paid a grand for it back then. The smartest grand I ever spent.
I bought one new in 2018, it’s work great. Paid around $1200 for it. I also remember there was no assembly required. It definitely looks like the older model in the video with the wood handle and silver clamping mechanism.
I use one made by souber,it's a little bit smaller and doesn't come with the motor attached you just have to get a drill that's capable of 2000rpm. Using my dewalt cordless trim router alongside my trend two part hinge jig and souber morticer I can fit anywhere between 8 and 11 four hinged fire doors in a day. Our doors here in the uk don't come pre hung in the frame so those doors include cutting and planing to fit if necessary,cutting four 4 inch hinge rebates in the door and the frame. Cutting out for the door latch and the face plate in the frame and fitting a pneumatic door closer to each door. These tools really make the job easier and up the productivity exponentially.
Porter Cable just isn’t the quality tool line it used to be. Good tutorial and congratulations on a completed job. Perhaps a walk through after the painters finish?
I have had a porter cable one for years and have had no problems. I use it all the time. Disappointing seeing the quality has dropped on the porter cable machine.
I like the spring loaded corner chisel and it comes in handy for certain applications. Do you know of anything similar that will do the same thing for the rounded strike plates mortise? I’ve even tried to find a hand chisel for this purpose but with no luck. I’m have to go back and adjust these strike plates for the builder because of the previous hack trim carpenter. Appreciate the information and videos.
What do you charge for this service. Per door. I just did one for a client. And the amount of work and detail. I charged what felt like too much. But it’s not an easy install.
Your production costs are way up in this case. I bought a simple mortice jig with nothing to break. Cost me $150 and i made $800 in one day, had the jig several uears no problem. That porta cable has to many bits to go wrong. I do cavity sliders plates the same way except i made a simple jig for plate and chisel out the rest. I do love your work though.
I just purchased a used machine for a hundred bucks and I've been working to refurbish it. It even came with the 517 template for the faceplate. The thing I'm most concerned about is the gearbox, which I'm scared to open up for fear of springs flying. Does anyone have any service advice beyond the parts schematic?
It's helpful to "help" the machine on the lifting stroke by lifting the motor. You will see when you try that...and it may have been the cause of your breakdown.
Always used Baldwin mortise locks. Wasn't necessary to remove all that wood from the face. Just drill the proper size holes using the paper template provided.
Man what a lot of work goes in to these American door handles latches. For once our system in the UK is much simpler and less labour intensive. Great channel btw 👍
It is unreasonable and unfair to hear anyone knock a tool that they have not used and are not familiar with. I am still using the mortiser that I bought used in the 1980's. I don't use it a lot but, when I need it, it is there. I bought it from a broke carpenter that wanted whiskey money. I had no instructions and no experience with the machine. I cursed the machine, the design, the details but after mastering it. I can cannot imagine doing a door mortise any other way.
I'm not knocking it, I'm just showing my experience. I was going to make the tutorial video regardless. The fact that it broke just ended up being part of the video and adds a little entertainment value.
Why do companies go overseas and knowingly reduce the quality and\or longevity of their products? Do they really believe that NEW customers will outweigh the bad performance and eventually run out of new customers and can't outrun a bad reputation.
I have never seen what you’re talking about, unless you mean the jigs your can buy for a standard lockset. I would be very leery of a drill based machine for doing box mortice locks since the chuck on a drill is not meant to deal with sideways thrust. For a bit that is being pushed sideways you need a collet to hold it like a router has.
Do you mean the Souber DBB mortice have had one of 8 yrs ,aloot faster does tube catches also the face plates paid for its self on first job also use TREND hinge jig
@@davebarnes1742 like I said in my earlier comment, I had never seen a drill based one of these. Having now looked at the manufacturers website this does Look like something worth using since the bushing that the shaft passes through would handle the sideways forces. Thanks for mentioning this.
@@janderson8401 happy to be of some use have used as morticer when asked to make a gate on site by client .What i like is dust not flying all over the place
Stanley Black & Decker has this warped business model of collecting tool brands that are reasonable quality and driving them to mediocrity or are mediocre to begin with. They own the holy trinity of TOH/New Yankee Workshop (Delta, PC, Craftsman) and they're all largely crap now (still like PC routers though). Hoping they keep DeWalt above water but certainly concerned. My brother-in-law worked for them developing training and it's apparently one of the more miserable workplaces in the world.
Ever since Black & Decker bought Porter-Cable they've intentionally stripped it down allowing their own company DeWalt to shine and be there top shelf company for tools. Porter Cable had always been a really high-end professional woodworking tool company and of course they did other tools for metal work etc drywall. I was lied to once by a Black & Decker tool rep at a welding trade show. Because of that lie I will not ever own a DeWalt power cord or cordless tool. Greg
Not unlike RandyBowe3986, I've been in the business for exactly 40years now. I bought an original 513 in probably the mid-late 1980s. I have used the snot out of this machine and though it's pretty beat looking, it still works great! I have never had to get it repaired nor have I ever had to replace any parts on it even after what has got to be thousands of lock mortises cut.
I'd like to assure you that in my opinion, you explained this tool and the process very well. This is the first video of yours I've watched, and I found it because I was looking for a freshen up tutorial on the 513 because it's been a few years since I've used it, and my memory isn't what it used to be. This video is just what I needed! Thanks!
40+ years here ,used the same type of machine mortising doors commercially, slow down,and I think you will be just fine. That said I love watching your videos, you do a great job with your work. And I have learned a few tricks from you. Thanks
I bought one of the older models from a local flea market for 80 dollars. Still working smooth after a few years
I have a 513 that I purchased about forty years ago and it's still going strong. I paid about $700 for it at the time. It is doing a dandy job of mortising doors for the Emtek pocket door locks on my current job.
And most homeowners think “it’s just a door handle” and never seem to realize how much time goes into these simple things especially if you have to do it by hand.
Hang one door slab and you quickly realize how much of a pain in the butt these things are. Especially if you don't have all the templates and decent routers and bits.
I work at a door manufacturer, and while I don't use the stool myself, we do have one and it seems to work just fine. So for what it's worth, my guess is that either the nut that you re-tightened or some other nut on the device is over overtightened and causing unaccounted for strain on the very thin wire. Obviously something is bound up, that much can be seen from the video. And it makes sense that resistance at the joints and strain on the cable would be greatest at the point where you're changing directions. I can understand it would be tempting, given that you have a high velocity bit and you're trying to make a precision-cut, to keep everything as tight as posible. But unless machines are precision built and well-oiled, constraints on joints are really not possible. My suggestion would be to loosen everything up just a little bit and it should work fine. There is after all a reason the bolt that you tightened has a locking gasket. Manufactures don't spend the extra money on such things unless they serve a purpose. That joint has to make a hundred and eighty degree turn under force and should have absolutely no resistance on it adding to the strain on the cable. Sorry, if this post comes off as preachy.
Every video that you made have a tons of information I’m really pleased to find your channel . You are inspiration for younger generations. Keep going and God bless you.👍🏻
I am in possession of a Bosch mortising jig that I have had for 20 years. Previously when I was a contractor in the San Francisco Bay area I installed many mortise lock sets.
Just wanted to say thanks for the videos! I think its so cool that a production carpenter takes time to make these videos.
Thank you so much for posting this video! Very helpful for carpenters like me that have never done this.
Spencer, one thing I can tell you is your Templaco will never let you down! Been using them for years...
Your good Iam going to do several Emtec pkt latches. I have several tempaco tools. Going to order all the templates for the emtec hardware. When I needed mortise maching years ago pc was backorded I bought a Virutex glad I did. I had 300 kaba hotel locks to do. The units were furnished so the dust port on thr Virutex helped keeping things clean. The verutex springs back after depth is complete.
Great video! I'm a handy homeowner but will let a finish carpenter install our Emtek pocket door locks. Nice to see what goes into cutting those mortises.
As always great video and explanation. I like to do my hardware before hanging the doors I just think it’s easier that way But I just got a jambmaster today and your the man to show me the best to set it up and how it works. I got most of the stuff off your amazon store today to get the show going your videos are top notch (please please a jambmaster start to finish installation)
Just picked up the templaco Emtek template jig a few months back before seeing this video. It did work pretty well on the five pocket doors we did on that job. I just use a regular router, but I had to use a spade bit to finish off the back depth of the mortise it was kind of a pain.
Good info! Thanks
Wow! You always amaze me with your knowledge and skill at such a young age. Keep the great videos coming.
If you work with some old hands, you can get good very quickly. I am sure he was fortunate enough to have worked with a bunch of old hands.
Can’t go wrong with Virutex. Love mine.
Sorry for your luck, you must have got a lemon built on Friday at the end of the shift. I have used these 513 for years and years, never had any issues. You absolutely need one to install mortise hardware all day long. It will pay for itself in less than a month. I wouldn’t be without one.
Thank you for this video I was looking for a tool to help me And you killed it Thank you thank you thank you thank you
We had this at the locksmith school. Great piece of equipment if you have to install a lot of mortise locks. I also like the Templaco templates, just hate making a hole in the wood. I do think you were going pretty fast on the mortise jig. I just go at a slow steady pace. My former boss bought a new one and it broke without even being used once. It must of been assembled incorrectly is my guess. Great video.
I have a portacable original model for over 30 and the only thing I to replace was a set screw. The new ones will never last that long. I paid a grand for it back then. The smartest grand I ever spent.
Love the quality of work
I bought one new in 2018, it’s work great. Paid around $1200 for it. I also remember there was no assembly required. It definitely looks like the older model in the video with the wood handle and silver clamping mechanism.
I have 2 of them...they work great!
Great Job On That Pocket Hole Door. Great Templates Idea 👍
Got 2 of them myself,one of them is 25 years old still perfect,other is about 6years old .only use the 25 year one
Broke on the 13th door. Would have really been something if it was on Friday the 13th.
Thanks for putting out such informative content.
Been using 513 for 45 years never had any problems. I would nerve use on a hung door I always put doors in my door jig for horizontal
Noted. Going to take a look at “high end” ones now
I use one made by souber,it's a little bit smaller and doesn't come with the motor attached you just have to get a drill that's capable of 2000rpm. Using my dewalt cordless trim router alongside my trend two part hinge jig and souber morticer I can fit anywhere between 8 and 11 four hinged fire doors in a day.
Our doors here in the uk don't come pre hung in the frame so those doors include cutting and planing to fit if necessary,cutting four 4 inch hinge rebates in the door and the frame. Cutting out for the door latch and the face plate in the frame and fitting a pneumatic door closer to each door.
These tools really make the job easier and up the productivity exponentially.
I've seen them and would like to pick one of those up and give it a try sometime.
Porter Cable just isn’t the quality tool line it used to be. Good tutorial and congratulations on a completed job. Perhaps a walk through after the painters finish?
I have had a porter cable one for years and have had no problems.
I use it all the time.
Disappointing seeing the quality has dropped on the porter cable machine.
Yea, my Porter Cable door boring jig did not live up to expectation either. I went back to just marking and using hole saws...
I like the spring loaded corner chisel and it comes in handy for certain applications. Do you know of anything similar that will do the same thing for the rounded strike plates mortise? I’ve even tried to find a hand chisel for this purpose but with no luck. I’m have to go back and adjust these strike plates for the builder because of the previous hack trim carpenter. Appreciate the information and videos.
The 1/2” router bit makes a 1/4” radius on the corners already.
I have a pc513, however the domino xl with a 12mm or 14mm bit works in a pinch (better than a spade bit anyway
Great job man
Check out these two: VIRUTEX FC116U or MAFELL SKS 130.
What do you charge for this service. Per door. I just did one for a client. And the amount of work and detail. I charged what felt like too much. But it’s not an easy install.
Your production costs are way up in this case. I bought a simple mortice jig with nothing to break. Cost me $150 and i made $800 in one day, had the jig several uears no problem. That porta cable has to many bits to go wrong. I do cavity sliders plates the same way except i made a simple jig for plate and chisel out the rest. I do love your work though.
I just purchased a used machine for a hundred bucks and I've been working to refurbish it. It even came with the 517 template for the faceplate. The thing I'm most concerned about is the gearbox, which I'm scared to open up for fear of springs flying. Does anyone have any service advice beyond the parts schematic?
I have a ryobi blower similar to that dewalt that has been with me on the dustiest of jobs
Maybe Porter Cable will send you a new model for your efforts.
It's helpful to "help" the machine on the lifting stroke by lifting the motor. You will see when you try that...and it may have been the cause of your breakdown.
really like to know if the new one is lighter than the old version.. and if so how much lighter
Always used Baldwin mortise locks. Wasn't necessary to remove all that wood from the face. Just drill the proper size holes using the paper template provided.
YEP. PROTER CABLE table saw, went to turn it on and nothing, motor housing just fell off.
Do you lube your router bits?
Man what a lot of work goes in to these American door handles latches. For once our system in the UK is much simpler and less labour intensive. Great channel btw 👍
Did this house have 14 total doors or 14 pocket doors?
14 pocket doors. It should be illegal.
It is unreasonable and unfair to hear anyone knock a tool that they have not used and are not familiar with. I am still using the mortiser that I bought used in the 1980's. I don't use it a lot but, when I need it, it is there. I bought it from a broke carpenter that wanted whiskey money. I had no instructions and no experience with the machine. I cursed the machine, the design, the details but after mastering it. I can cannot imagine doing a door mortise any other way.
I'm not knocking it, I'm just showing my experience. I was going to make the tutorial video regardless. The fact that it broke just ended up being part of the video and adds a little entertainment value.
Why do companies go overseas and knowingly reduce the quality and\or longevity of their products? Do they really believe that NEW customers will outweigh the bad performance and eventually run out of new customers and can't outrun a bad reputation.
What about the ones without the motors. You attach your drill to it. They are very cheap. Plus you have to move your drill to do the work
I have never seen what you’re talking about, unless you mean the jigs your can buy for a standard lockset. I would be very leery of a drill based machine for doing box mortice locks since the chuck on a drill is not meant to deal with sideways thrust. For a bit that is being pushed sideways you need a collet to hold it like a router has.
Do you mean the Souber DBB mortice have had one of 8 yrs ,aloot faster does tube catches also the face plates paid for its self on first job also use TREND hinge jig
@@davebarnes1742 like I said in my earlier comment, I had never seen a drill based one of these. Having now looked at the manufacturers website this does Look like something worth using since the bushing that the shaft passes through would handle the sideways forces. Thanks for mentioning this.
@@janderson8401 happy to be of some use have used as morticer when asked to make a gate on site by client .What i like is dust not flying all over the place
@@davebarnes1742 yes souber dbb and its various chinese clones. Amazon is flooded with this type of door mortiser
Looks like something that needs a dust port and shop vac
Stanley Black & Decker has this warped business model of collecting tool brands that are reasonable quality and driving them to mediocrity or are mediocre to begin with. They own the holy trinity of TOH/New Yankee Workshop (Delta, PC, Craftsman) and they're all largely crap now (still like PC routers though). Hoping they keep DeWalt above water but certainly concerned. My brother-in-law worked for them developing training and it's apparently one of the more miserable workplaces in the world.
why you decide to replace your old machine?
I use jigsaw and chisel
update your Amazon links :)
Zero desire to do this avenue of carpentry. 😂
jbonegw Hello, other than the expense for the tools (the cash outlay) A good challenge is good for the soul... Greg
i would never buy anthing from porter cable again since they were sold years ago they build very cheap tools
Man I can not even follow multiple commercials
SHAME ON PORTER CABLE
Porter Cable, interpretation, brand new junk!
Ever since Black & Decker bought Porter-Cable they've intentionally stripped it down allowing their own company DeWalt to shine and be there top shelf company for tools. Porter Cable had always been a really high-end professional woodworking tool company and of course they did other tools for metal work etc drywall. I was lied to once by a Black & Decker tool rep at a welding trade show. Because of that lie I will not ever own a DeWalt power cord or cordless tool. Greg