Marvel Doesn't Understand Spider-Man Anymore
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Marvel Doesn't Understand Spider-Man Anymore - Marvel Editorial clearly doesn't understand Peter Parker aka Spider-Man in this latest Amazing Spider-Man issue by Zeb Wells.
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Why is marvel still letting Zeb Wells cook. He has gone past burning down the kitchen he is burning down the whole house.
forget a whole house he started a forest fire
@@nickwilliams904 nah he ended the world
Wells and Marvel did it together
There is an actual reason-- and it's not what you're thinking. See, no matter what way you think about it, Spider-Man is STILL Marvel's flagship character. They ARE AWARE of how infamous the run has become. They KNOW that people are NOT satisfied with the run. It's the same thing with any long form media, Spongebob, Simpsons, Family Guy. At this point, it doesn't matter if it's "good," it just needs to stay relevant to keep people like YOU talking about it.
Bro started a forest fire.
If they fire Zeb Wells, they should say that his whole run was an illusion by Mysterio because he wanted to torture Spider-Man for some reason
Please
Honestly, that's the only explanation for what happened
Or some I dunno alternate world or something made by Mephisto. I just want them to undo One More Day 😭
@@antyep it sure feels like an elseworld. How in God's name is Norman allowed to walk free after Dark Reign? No amount of "I'm a better person now" can keep you out of jail after that. Especially since him feigning redemption was the whole premise of the event.
@@lucaraiti6780 it has to be some elseworld designed to make Peter’s life miserable because that’s what the devil does!
Thank god we ultimate Spider-Man this week because that book understands Spider-Man and green goblin ten times better then the main asm book which has just been bad and garbage in my opinion.
I may be getting a little conspiratorial, but I feel like Marvel had Zeb Wells ruin 616 so that fans would folk to the new ultimate series... Maybe this is just a coincidence, but the fact these 2 things came out at a similar time is just strange.
@@CoolOkay_ I think you could be right about that
Zeb Wells seems to be weirdly oblivious to Marvel continuity. He keeps having Peter describing a fatherly relationship with Norman that never existed on Earth 616, but only in the Raimi trilogy. That's also where he gets the idea of Norman and Goblin being separate personalities, when in the comics they never were. But most importantly, he seems to have forgotten the Dark Reign run. Norman Osborn already fooled the whole nation into thinking he was redeemed. He basically ran the country and was then exposed to the world as a war criminal and terrorist. I don't care whatever juju made him a good guy recently, for Earth 616 to feel like a believable world, Norman cannot be back to run his business like nothing happened.
Yeah that was something that only happened in the Raimi films and partly Spectacular SpiderMan. Apart from that, there was nothing between them
@@LewisFilmsProductionsyeah because everyone thinks the Raimi trilogy is the case but it wasn’t just MJ that you made a video on months ago so I guess you can do a video on the Misconception of Norman Osborn and that the Raimi influence has done more harm than good to Spider-Man in the Long run.
It's not a recent thing, nor is it a "Zeb Wells is oblivious to continuity" thing. As soon as the Rami movies came out, many writers in the main 616 continuity would have Norman trying to use Peter as a surrogate son, or try to find ways to corrupt him and be his heir. Peter's response would vary, either being angry about it or feeling pity for Norman before punching his lights out. There was a whole storyline where Norman had been drugging Peter's toothpaste and putting hypnotic suggestions in old music Peter would nostalgically listen to. All to get Parker to join him, Darth Vader style. Paul Jenkins had heavy shades of this twisted father/son dynamic during his Goblin story with Humberto Ramos on art. That Goblin battle ends with Peter and Norman having a sit-down, heart to heart conversation with each other about everything in their relationship up till that point. Norman even tries to get Peter to open up by telling him a silly tale, like a dad telling his upset son a bad joke before counseling him on serious matters. Osborn actually considers getting his gun and ending himself the next day after contemplating what Peter says to him.
Same thing with the "split personality" of Norman and The Goblin. It's not a Zeb Wells mistake. It's a constant thing that is never set in stone from one writer to another. As soon as that William Defoe performance was seen by mass audiences, so many writers would use that as their go-to depiction for Norman. And it makes sense why. The early amnesia plot lines before his death would have Norman revert from a raving lunatic, to a calm collected business man, like it was nothing. It's understandable why writers looking at those stories would think Norman had a completely seperate persona. The 90's cartoon series also used The Goblin as an alter to Norman's personality and that was a very popular depiction, with Norman and The Goblin being separate again. Even Harry had a split persona with The Goblin in that show, something he never had in the comics. The more recent interpretations by Warren Ellis and Bendis also have Norman having a split personality, but both identities are pure evil. The Goblin is crazier, while Norman is a straight up Lex Luthor styled asshole. Both are bad. During Thunderbolts and Dark Reign, Norman would be talking to and hallucinating The Goblin persona as a separate entity.
There have only been a few periods where writers have gotten rid of the split personality thing. The stretch of time between the end of "The Clone Saga" and "The Gathering Of Five" had Norman in control for the entire time. Mark Millar's Marvel Knights: Spider-Man book also had Norman as the only persona. The only writer who seemed to 100% acknowledge that there should not be a split between Norman and The Goblin, was Dan Slott. His run had Norman just get a bit more dramatic and wild when putting on the mask, but never once did he depict The Goblin as a separate identity. Even after Slott had Norman "cured" of the Goblin serum during the end of Superior, Osborn acts pretty much the same up until Red Goblin. And the end of that story had Norman finally getting a split persona again, but he becomes "Cletus Cassidy" instead of The Goblin.
Zeb also isn't responsible for the people of the marvel universe seemingly forgetting what Norman did during Dark Reign and Seige. That is an issue that just keeps happening. After "The Gathering Of Five", Spidey publicly unmasks Norman for the first time and he goes completley insane, he gets out of the loony bin and back in power pretty quickly, even falling in love with his in-home nurse. Bendis has this happen again with Spider-Man publicly arresting and unmasking Osborn. He soon becomes director of the Thunderbolts program during the 50 State Initiative. And on it goes. Norman is outed for his crimes, is taken off the table, comes back in a seat of power. Every single time. When Nick Spencer was writing Spider-Man, Norman just shows up as head of the Ravencroft Institute. A guy who has been outed as The Green Goblin multiple times, tried to lay seige to a Asgaurd, gave the orders for his Sentry to crash the city of the gods on Oklahoma and killed tons of people, should never be allowed to run New York's premiere mental health asylum. And yet, no one gave a single toss. Zeb's run has been lack-luster, but his handling of "good guy Norman" has not. The Gold Goblin mini series was a ton of fun and Peter being strange bedfellows with Osborn has been the best part of the book. Zeb kept the continuity that Spencer set up with "Osborn's Sins" being a corrupting force on anyone who get possessed by them. Like it or not, this isn't the first time all these things have happened to Norman. And until Marvel and the fans let Spider-Man out of his repetitive status quo, allowing Peter to gracefully die/retire/become a mentor to the next Spider-Man, it won't be the last time. It's just going to get more complicated each time, as the next writer will want to use The Goblin and will have to bend over backwards to make the continuity fit as to why Norman isn't locked away underground and is still somehow in a seat of power.
@@dn22pkkdd476it just seems to appear that the justice system in the Marvel universe is completely damaged
@@dn22pkkdd476 I agree, the characters being essentially stuck in a loop ever since the nineties has completely wrecked the concept of continuity.
Whay pisses me off is that this was unnecessary. Peter started as a guy juggling the superhero life with high school, then with university, than with a job and a family life. Progress is part of his nature. In order for this spirit to be preserved, Norman Osborn should have stayed dead in the first place. While Batman stories would never kill off Joker, having him returning again and again untill DC will print comics , Gerry Conway embraced the true nature of Spider-Man by closing this chapter. Norman was only resurrected as anafterthought to put an end to the clone saga, which in turn only existed as a way to reboot Spider-Man in a way that undid his growth as a character. The fact that Marvel is not willing to break the loop and have Peter becoming an adult is particularly nonsensical now that younger generation have Miles Morales and Hickman proved that dad Spider-Man sells.
Sure Zeb Wells may not be responsible of the state of Marvel, but his run arguably summarizes everything wrong with how Spider-Man has been handled in the past 30 years.
They should change this by having Mephisto say "Man this story's shit" and then reboot it again
Yeah Lmao
*Sigh* ...Keep Zeb Wells AWAY, Keep the Utensils away! He burned the food with that dialouge!!!
You have people that loves to ruin Peter's character and Zeb is one of the many examples.
So here’s my dilemma. On one hand this feels very much like the critiques of the Star Wars sequels. Fans hated the prequels and how different they were from the originals so The Force Awakens is eerily similar to A New Hope. People didn’t like how similar it was so they tried to really switch it up with The Last Jedi. People hated how different it was, so we got another rehashed movie with Rise of Skywalker. An over simplification really but same thing here. They had the idea of Peter learning to be friends with his greatest nemesis. People didn’t like that Peter would be that stupid, so they had Peter say that he never trusted him and the fans are mad he didn’t trust Norman. Kinda feels like either way whether Peter actually trusted Norman or not that people would have been mad.
But honestly that’s because it sucks. Peter wouldn’t have taken the job under Norman to “keep an eye on him” if he didn’t think that Norman was actually trying to be better. He wouldn’t have fought crime with him by his side if he thought Norman was just biding his time until he’s distracted and would throw a pumpkin bomb at him. But that line didn’t really strike a nerve with me, personally . Actions speak louder than words and the fact Peter said that when they were fighting makes me think Peter was upset and bitter about it and said he “never trusted him” to hurt Norman because the reality is that he did trust Norman and blames himself for being an idiot.
Frankly the biggest problem I have with Zeb is how they are acting like Norman was this great person before the Goblin. The Green Goblin has been in 616 before Norman and Norman has always been a dick to Peter. Zeb’s “knowledge” of Spider-Man comes from the Raimi films, not the comics. So he’s writing a version of the character that isn’t accurate and is just passing it off like it’s always been that way. Pretty aggrivating honestly.
That’s a very good analysis!
I swear that they're only ruining Peter in the comics so that Miles Morales can fully replace Spider-man in the comics
They could have achieved the same thing by just letting Peter age, and be the adult he should be. Like, Flash gets to, why not Peter? It's gonna be 2099, and Peter will still somehow be Spider-Man
If only it was that, the issue is Marvel editorial thinks they're doing right, Nick Lowe, Amazing Spider-Man's head editor, has straight up said people just didn't get Paul
I just want to know, WHY!? 😤😑😡 are they doing this What is wrong with modern comics nowadays?! (well at least some of them)
Personally I feel like it comes off as Peter being manipulative. Which is weird to think about. Peter being manipulative to Norman Osborn? Anyways, with Peter likely being the sole person (besides MJ I guess?) who believed in Norman is any way.
It also feels weird because Kamala thought that Peter was also spying on Norman, only for Peter awkwardly go "Yeah let’s go with that".
Yeah exactly... That's exactly what it feels like. It makes everything leading up to this (which I actually quite enjoyed) fake
@@LewisFilmsProductions like you said, it’s not as if Peter feeling betrayed about trusting Norman would have been weird. In fact given Norman’s state with his Sins/Evil being removed and forced to feel the guilt of everything he’s done, this was honestly the _ONLY_ time Peter or anyone could trust or believe in Norman. Hell this could have been the straw that broke the camels back to Peter's trust issues. With his hero friends not helping him this time of need, MJ leaving him for a man who committed Omnicide, and now Norman. Literally the _ONLY_ person who was on Peter’s side throughout the entire run.
I just realized something. If Peter is able to once again expel the Sins, and with the Sins seemingly reverting the Norman and Goblin persona as Split Personalities, what will this for Norman and Peter going forward? Because now Norman has no reason to trust _Peter,_ in other words, Peter will look like the bad guy in their relationship. What the *Hell*
Credit to Zeb Welles, he has made one of the greatest Carnage stories ever in Carnage USA
There has to be some kind of Career Day questionnaire that can sort writers towards characters that they could actually write well.
If only.
My headcanon (coping mechanism) is that Peter is Coping just like omni-man when he said he view debbie as a pet, they are just saying this because they don't want to admite that they grow close to this person and want to push them away as far as they can
We can only hope
JM dematis deserves to write the main line book. He understands spidey's world so well with his small series titles.
Peter is too trusting to a fault even the Mcu Spider-Man could get that right
Yeah because he is dumb as Zoolander if you have seen the prison scene in the sequel.
we need to remove zeb wells and find someone who knows about spider-man's lore i mean at this point i'd take a reverse reboot where peter gets his development back and Paul is the new Venom at this point
Exactly
i want the panel at 6:13. How do i get it?
Would've been better if Goblin wasn't going full force against Peter, because he got fond of Peter the same way Norman did.
Peter was waiting for Norman to slip up. He was conning him. He put himself in the position to stop the green goblin.
Norman did the exact same thing in the amazing Spider-Man “ soft reboot “ after they pretended that the clone saga didn’t happen, and Norman became the owner of the daily bugle and he pretended that he wanted to bury the hatchet with Peter and be his friend. And slowly, Peter started to trust and confide in Norman, letting his guard down. But it was all a ruse on Norman’s part.
This storyline is the reverse of that,but I’m sure the whole behind “ spider-goblin “ will be the old “ we’re not so different, you and I “ troupe.
I guess this is true. Maybe I just prefered it if they did it differently
@@LewisFilmsProductions oh, I agree. The execution has been completely lacking on this book past the first tombstone arc. Zeb should take notes from Josh Williamson’s Superman on how to write a hero and a redemptive villain working together effectively. Clark and Lex’s uneasy partnership is far more interesting, nuanced and layered than what we’re getting here, despite running for not even half of the amount of time.
Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Peter was getting close to keep tabs on Norman considering the goblin is in my opinion Peter's deadliest enemy. The only bond these two had was over science. Of course Peter would say he trusts Norman so Norman would be open with him about what he's been up to.
The spider-man comics were so horrible as of late, that I just stopped caring in general. The reason Zebb wells is still around, is because people still buy his cursed books. Like we can say we hate it all we want, but for some reason, his comics still sell. If they didn’t, marvel would have fired him, a long time ago. People just need to stop buying his garbage.
They need to keep lot of people away from spider-man. T.B. ,C.B alongside anyone who worked on brand new day or this kind of status quo. We need new people, but also people who respect the characters(none of that writing peter's civilian life/May/MJ is a drag attitude ,if you don't want to write them ,then you're not fit for spider-man).
This feels like the lesser version of slots finale with red goblin just it doesnt have the same impact as an arc and there was built up but the built up for this goblin return arc was so predictable its not even a surprise .atleast the art of this issue is great.
There's a reason Spider-man renew your vows and Ultimate Spider-man 2024 exist. People love Spider-man and Mary Jane as a married couple with kids. People hated one more day because they separated Spider-man and Mary Jane. They got back together again but they separated them again. Is best that Zeb doesn't make any public appearances like he did in comic con. He will get so much hate from the fans and maybe death threats too.
If he "never trusted" Osborn, why did he do nothing at all to observe him or prepare for any potential schemes?
I honestly couldn't agree more, but unfortunately this is a spiderman book they can't cancel the current run until a certain threshold, marvel has canceled Guardians of the galaxy repeatedly giving it short runs, they canceled iron heart and infamous ironman, they are aware we don't like it. they even acknowledged going to comic con would attract a ton of angery fans. yet it gives credence to what ever marvels executives have planned. we will likely won't see zeb gone till either the 24 issues they talked or they hit 1000 issues.
I think there are two things you disregarded here. First is that Peter always tries to see the best in people and he believes in redemption. This has always been a very big part of his character. He once offered a job to an ex-supervillain. So the idea that Peter would try to trust Norman but *couldn't* is something very realistic.
Second, at the end of the day, you cannot call Peter an idiot here. He was prepared for the Goblin's return and laid a pretty good trap knowing what the Goblin would do. He is not an idiot because he had a plan that worked. The one thing he did not anticipate was Kraven stabbing him with Osborn's sins and causing him to do corrupt his own brain. That is why Osborn won this issue.
That’s fair but on the other side of the argument, if Peter tried to see the best in Norman and Norman ended up becoming the Goblin again, why is he not taking responsibility for that? I get that he may end up in the next few issues but his reaction was off. Almost like he didn’t blame himself for trusting him, when he knew full well that he’d come back. As you mentioned, he was even prepared for him. Just makes Peter seem stupid for even trusting him in the first place if this was his true feelings. It makes him look manipulative too.
But you make good points.
@@LewisFilmsProductions There are two answers to that. First, Peter does not usually feel guilt unless someone is actually harmed by his actions. Second, Peter has not felt guilt conscious for years now. The perfect example is at the end of Parker Industries. Peter did not feel any real guilt or remorse for the company shutting down and all the employees losing their jobs until Robbie told him he messed up. He did not feel any guilt after pushing Osborn to Sineater during the Nick Spencer run. The character is written such a way that he does what he thinks is right in moment and does not feel guilty about it afterwards.
About the only thing I like about this comic is green goblins design
Zeb sucks
Fr😮💨
Not even the MCU understand Spiderman.
People mis understand Spider-Man’s relatablilty. They think what makes Spider-Man relatable is the hardships that he deals with through this life such as money problems. While this is definitely true snother factor of his relatability is hid inherent flaws. Spider-Man can be an asshole. Peter Parker makes mistakes and fucks up. The early comics understood this and that is why the drama of Peter’s life was so compelling. The writers forgot this and thought that the only way Spider-Man could be relatable was to just fuck with Peter. At a certain point it stops being real.
Zeb Wells is obviously a poor fit for a Spider-Man run but the problem is and always will be editorial. I don't even hate this issue and I like the bit of Peter never trusting normal because he's been burned by him for years but it's tainted by 2 years of bad characterization and editorial agenda.
No joke, I haven't touched the Amazing series since the end of Spencer's run. I've been loving "Ultimate Spider-Man" and my other books.
Maybe it's just me but the trusting part feels like Peter saying I trust but there is a part that doesn't completely trust
The fact he was even nice to Norman in the first place is horrible character writing
I liked Peter and Norman's new dynamic. This sucks that they pulled the rug out.
We all knew that it would eventually end up coming to this, but like why did they do it like that?
Heres what I don't understand they have miles a young Spiderman who can give them everything they say they want. So why keep treating Peter like a man-child? In a way, I understood doing it when they did one more day but now they don't need to they have a Spiderman to fill what they wanted. Let Peter grow even if that moves him from an ongoing character to a character that shows up here and there
If Peter never trusted Norman for 50 issues then why have Peter open up to Norman? Zeb wells is nothing even following his own writing in each issue
Hey Lewis can you make vidoes about why every spiderman cartoon was canncled like why spiderman the animated series was canncled or why spiderman unlimited was canncled, why spiderman the new animated series was canncled, why spectacular spider man was canncled, why marvel spiderman 2017 was canncled, ultimate spider man is the only spiderman Show that had a proper ending
LISTEN LISTEN LISTEN.. It isn't even that bad, there's only 1 thing I dislike about this run. PAUL.
Don’t just stop at Wells, Celeste Bronfman’s gotta go too. Her Jackpot/Black Cat mini series is atrocious, just as bad as ASM
Thankfully there's an alternative with Ultimate Spider-Man because Zeb Wells on The Amazing Spider-Man is the worst comic book run I've ever read.
Luckily
Sure you get rid of Zeb Wells and replace him with who? You. Also you're delusional if you think Marvel Editorial is watching these videos.
It don’t matter who the writer is. As long as Joe Quesada and Nick Lowe are in power Spider-Man comics will always sucks. Look at Nick Spencer, he tried to fix One More Day just to have Joe Quesada find out at the last minute and stop him
@@Linklex7 these writers need to use cyphers to retcon One More Day
I thought you liked this concept?
I did until they butchered it by having Peter do a complete 180
Thanks for revieuwing this, i knew it would be bad.
If Stan would stil be alive he would probably raise hell at marvel.
( this is an opinion, don't attack me)
Probably.. unfortunately the sad reality is that this is nothing like the character the great Stan wrote.
Right, but you do?
Here’s the honest facts. The editorial at Marvel comics are the true villains of Spider-Man, and they just love to make his life of living hell.
Or flat out make him wear the outfit of his nemesis (Norman)
Honestly this. I do put blame on Zeb Wells a bit, but with how much they screwed up what Nick Spencer was trying to do, I genuinely think most of the blame should be on the spidey-editors. They don't want Peter to grow again, and they want him to stay in his status quo, no matter what has to happen to his supporting characters to let that happen.
And yet you guys keep giving them money.
What a bunch of shytty c__cks, all of you
Yeah, Peter just say that and all of a sudden he said, I never trusted in you!? Like what, what was Zeb thinking?
Yeha lmao
Let me be clear on this. Marvel Comics don't know what to do with Spider-Man because they continue to character assassinate Peter Parker as a hero by having him work with his greatest enemy Norman Osborn/Green Goblin. This is the same bad story telling that made Sin's Past, One More Day, and this current run the worst Spider-Man arcs ever.
In comparison to Ultimate Spider-Man by both Bendis and Hickman, they write Spider-Man exactly how he is. A hero struggling to deal with the consequences. That's my point on why Marvel Editors are treating Spider-Man like this.
I'm hoping that Plus Ultra Ultimate Spider-Man, once they take on the Maker and the Ultimate Illuminati, Will acknowledge what happened to the OG Ultimate Universe, Like instead of just overriding and warping reality so that they no longer exist and are replaced by the new versions we see currently, We pick up on that stinger from Donnie Cates's Venom run where he finally was able to get back to the proper Ultimate Universe that had reintegrated into existence, and established that he conquered that already Since we saw New York on fire and decimated when he warped in, leaving it prime for the pickens, but just couldn't let it go and instead has been fucking with a new timeline and that timeline is the current Plus Ultra Ultimate U we've been following thus far
Cuz he's a sociopathic bastard Who won't rest until all of existence and all dimensions are under his control because he's pretty much Dr. Doom now
I think that the point of issue 50 is that Peter TRIED to trust Norman, but in his heart deep down, he couldn't bring himself to FULLY trust him. He wanted to trust him, and their relationship in this run was him trying to trust him. I think him saying, "I NEVER TRUSTED YOU" is the truth underneath the surface. (Look, I hate this run. But the Norman/Peter relationship is not the problem. It's the treated of Peter and Mary Jane as characters, friends, previous lovers, and people in general. MJ is one of the kindest, most understanding people in the Marvel universe. But the editorial hate her so much that they made her someone who would basically cheat on Peter, and act like he's the one to blame after the fact. Which, even if that how we might feel about the situation. MJ would never think like that, or say things like that to him. She cares about him, and how he feels as a friend. And she would never put him through so much pain and avoid talking about it for months on end. That's just not who she is as a person. And literally EVERYONE who has ever experienced anything Spider-Man could tell you that)
How long is Wells going to stay on this series? Cause' I have had enough
I don't even have a problem with Peter not being with MJ anymore. Just give me some great tier writing and interesting plotlines. have the character atleast develop not in marriage way but some other way if they don't want it in 616.
Ok this is gonna sound like a nit pice because the title image gets zeb Wells gone sounds like a 5 year old wrote it sorry I do still agree though
Maybe if Marvel editorials would've instead like, i don't flippin know...
Has Harry Osborn be the Gold Goblin instead of Norman Flippin' Osborn of all people! Like maybe he took up the moniker in a attempt of to proves everyone that he nothing like his evil father and became an goblin-themed hero, like Phil Urich did before back in the 90s.
And has Peter be a married family man and still be a superhero alongside Miles, whom he would eventually pass the mantle to him when he know the time when to retire as Spider-Man for good.
And has MJ be Spinneret, like in Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows comics, rather than being Jackpot while also having Peter and MJ's children, Mayday, whom would be the oldest and be either 15 or 16 and would be Spider-Girl, along Richard Parker II and Annabelle "Annie" Parker be Spider-Boy and Spiderling altogether, as well.
And they could've instead has the Spider-Goblin be from another universe where Peter Parker who lost both his aunt and uncle to a mugger and start to develop a misanthropic and nihilistic outlook on life and everyone to be inherently evil as he than start dedicating his life of proves his theory as he had nearly conquered most of his universe and learn of the multiverse where he would envy the mainstream universe's Peter Parker for having an normal life as he attempt to kill him while also probably fought other Spider-people in the multiverse, along with other evil versions of several Spider-people (Miguel O'Hara, Miles Morales, Mayday Parker, Jessica Drew, Anya Corazon, Gwen Stacy, Ben Reilly, Noir Peter Parker, Mangaverse Peter Parker, Pavitr Prabhakar, Peni Parker, Hobie Brown, etc.) and other Spider-Man villains (Dr. Octopus, Electro, Carnage, Lizard, Vulture, Sandman, Kraven the Hunter, Mysterio, Hydro-Man, Molten Man, Morbius, Rhino, White Rabbit, Hobgoblin, Big Wheel, Hammerhead, Kingpin, Tombstone, Prowler, Venom, Spider-Slayer, Chameleon, Lightmaster, etc., etc., etc., etc.), which would lead another massive Spider-Verse crossover cause Marvel really love to do massive crossover events instead of just doing another Marvel Team-Up series.
But for the end of Nick Spencer run that Harry was behind Sin’s Past which would make him the devil and that Peter was right about one thing is that they always blame him for everything wrong in their lives but all they’re just self pity and entitled A-holes
I think at the moment, RUclipsrs like you and Slightly Insulting understand Spider-Man more than the big executives ad Marvel! .🙎
I kinda forgot about the new amazing Spider-Man comics
Real
It's very forgettable, so that's completely understandable.
You see this seems pretty pointless because I said about the Misconception of Norman Osborn as everyone thinks the Raimi trilogy influence think it was the case and we finally see the Spider-Man who laughs because I was expecting this when Across the spider Verse was released that there should have been evil versions of Spider-Men as the closest thing is the Earth 42 miles because as leaks that he is misunderstood.
How about can you tell that Peter is smart or stupid?
i mean, a lot people like the comics
Ima be real I kinda liked this comic, I liked the fight scenes and enjoyed how Peter wasn’t an idiot and knew what Norman was up to.
All Norman's character development down the toilet, which is also where every issue of Amazing Spider-Man written by Zeb Wells belongs.
Hahaha
That line really sounded more like Batman.
The drama of Peter who genuinely trusted in Norman’s rehabilitation
The drama of a Peter who might have even forgiven the killer of his first true lover
And we get spider-goblin
I like the idea that Peter never trusted Norman. I don’t think he should trust Norman but, that’s not the story they told. We’ve seen Peter trust Norman for years
Spider-man just isn't who he used to be anymore, I really wonder what Stan Lee would do with Spider-Man today if he was still alive
I think zeb just completely forgot everything peter said in that other issue.
Bet a random ass person could write a better story than zeb wells
Honestly i dont even blame zeb wells that much, editorial is a mess, too many cooks in the kitchen with ASM
4:12 "The Norman Osborn I first met. The one who treated me like a son."
The issue with this line is that it's a *_straight-up lie._* When Peter and Norman first met he didn't treat him like a son. He never did. Their first meeting is Green Goblin trying to kill Spider-Man.
When this issue was published many people thought that Wells confused the comics with the Raimi movies where their dynamic is more akin to a father-son.
I am kinda bummed that nothing came out of this arc, but to me Peter trusting Norman and completely forgetting their entire history would have been the bigger character assassination. So in a way, I am kinda glad that Peter was lying all this time.
Exactly 😂
Zeb wells is probably gonna get 100 issues oh god no! but I thought the art of this was great green goblin looked incredible.
At least we have USM to hold out until Well's run ends. Maybe we'll get a better writer than. P.s I was excited earlier because I thought issue 50 was the last Zeb Wells issue. 😢
I think the biggest issue is that they say Peter never trusted Norman, but he did literally nothing to make sure Norman doesn’t/already has become the Goblin again. If you never trusted him then what were you spending all your time doing? Makes Peter feel really passive about something that would be the upmost important to him. I’ll be honest I’m glad Peter never actually trusted Norman because I hate the idea of those two being close, but the execution was still not good
Yeah because it would seem that he has never learned anything at all like he did call out Norman and his son always blame him for everything wrong in their lives,things not going their direction and all their misfortune on him which all they are self pity and entitled who think the universe owns them something when they trapped Kindred for a while.
Go read the ultimate spider man the new one don’t torture yourself
Already on it lmao
I think is more like Peter being like Batman, he was fooling Norman just to keep an eye on him.
I know that this is not a Spider-Man thing, but it is an explanation.
IM SO CONFUSED, didn’t they released a new ultimate issue where he’s adult now, have wife and kids, and fans loved it ? 💀
They did! This is amazing Spider-Man tho not ultimate Spider-Man
Spider man comics needs a reboot
The thing is that it’s not even Zeb Wells’ fault. It’s marvel editorial. So much of Wells’ work with the New Mutants and even in Brand New Day is really good, but you can tell editorial just has him in such a bind with their demands of the status quo that he just doesn’t care anymore.
We can't just blame everything on mandates and status quo’s. Yes these things can be bad but a lot of other writers faced the same problem and still made decent and even good stories. 1 of the issues is execution which is dependent on the writer. Most of zebs execution of this run has been terrible
Zeb Wells is your Average Miles Morales Fan/Spider-Man Fanboy
Part of me wants to believe that the reason why Peter was willing to work with Norman is that he can keep a closer eye on him, knowing what he's capable of in the past. And saying that he trusts Norman is a way to keep him off guard. And when Osborn does betray him, it would made Peter's "I told you so" moment all the more impactful, but that's just my theory. No way this would ever be Zeb Wells's intention for a plot twist.
It's very clear that Marvel just doesn't care anymore. 😑😑😑
Marvel in general hasn't been the same since Stan Lee died.
This is why I always stick to the Ultimate Spider-Man Comics by Brian Michael Bendis, as the 616 universe has completely lost it's edge since the Clone Saga, Sin's Past and One More Day.
At least we still have The Spectacular Spider-Men and John Hickman's Ultimate Spider-Man to look forward to.
I don't think it's all on Zeb Wells, he wrote Avenging Spider-Man and Carnage U.S.A in the early 2010's and even though those got overshadowed by Superior Spider-Man that was some solid work by Wells, not to mention he's writing on the upcoming Deadpool and Wolverine movie plus he created that one show on Adult Swim SuperMansion that was actually pretty funny. What's wrong with Amazing Spider-Man isn't gonna be fixed simply by getting rid of Zeb Wells, this is just a very deep rooted editorial issue that's been going on a long time and affected both Dan Slott and Nick Spencer too; editorial picks the guy to steer the ship the way the higher up's see fit, the Spidey office at Marvel could stand for an entirely new team all together cause truthfully it's been the same guys with the same stale approach for over twenty years. Thank God they have Greg Weisman and Jonathan Hickman just doing their own thing on the side with Spider-Men and Ultimate but I want those to be more of the norm now and not just a compromise side thing, and that can't really happen under current editorial.
I'd say it doesn't make Peter dumb, he was keeping his enemy close to be ahead of their next strike, but him saying he *never* trusted Norman just makes him kind of an a-hole.
I thought this whole run was about Peter moving on from past trauma and Norman growing as a character beyond a villain, you know, the whole inspiring theme behind Spider-Man about becoming a better person by recognizing your flaws and accepting your limits in order to improve yourself... but nope, it's just the same as always, making this whole thing a major waste of time.
I know there isn't much to do to evolve Spider-Man comics lore, but this was yet another Marvel lap after its own tail, where they just keep making you running in circles until you realize it's pointless.
The fact that this run is already at 50 issues and counting? Is concerning. Spencer got up to about 90+ The last couple of series’ maxed out near 30 or below. Odds are Zeb is probably gonna be driving this bus for the foreseeable future unless marvel sees a massssssive decline in sales for ASM in particular. Don’t get the issues just to maintain your collection.
I’d say this issue was one of the better ones in the run as a whole, since the beginning the relationship with Norman and Peter has been a key factor and whether Peter is written to trust Norman or not, it could just as well have been an act to keep watch on Norman with some moments being genuine, but that could be of being better shown, not to mention Ed Guinness’s art is beautiful, I really love this Green Goblin design.
That being said I’m done spending my money on this series because no matter how much ppl online complain about the series, it still sells really well and this Goblin arc will be over by August and there’s like at least 3 other Spider-people books to read instead
The main 616 Spider man is ruined and they are trying to replace him with Miles which is not great by the way, Peter dosen't interact with other marvel Characters. the editorial does not let him take part in crossover events. They make him a fool in the comics. Hope someone will save peter's life and gave him a happy life.
Isn't Norman truly insane, like his actions like Lizard are not of his own. I'm not saying Peter should automatically patch things up but him trying to forge a relationship with a sane good Norman make some sense?
Well, we still have ultimate Spiderman, for now at least, genuinely pains me to see Marvel mishandle 616 spidey
Sounds like Peter was just saying that despite feeling the opposite. Perhaps a in the heat of the moment thing.
We can hope
Why do they draw peter like he is 12 when he is meant to be in his mid 20s or something
He's in 30s actually
@@huretokun that just proves my point
when zeb is fired this’ll all be revealed as mysterio’s greatest plan but peter realizes it was fake cause of the continuity errors
I beg
0:10 unfortunately this isn’t true, Amazing Spider-Man #47 was ranked #4 for top sales in April
Marvel understands Spiderman more than Sony. Anything Spiderman that Marvel has made is better than what Sony's doing with Spiderman. Sony's making Kraven an animal lover not a hunter.
This video is about the comics not the films
@@LewisFilmsProductions I know. At least Sony isn't in charge of the comics. It could be worse.
@@thomasbennett0you never know, Sony has made better Spider-Man cartoon shows than marvel has, Marvel is at their worst with handling Spider-Man comics, it would be actually difficult for Sony to make Spider-Man comics worse.
@@DX_YT_01 Aren't you forgetting Sony made Madame Web and Morbius and are in talks about making Morbius 2. They think Morbius and Madame Web were successful. You know what Sony would do if they were in charge of Marvel comics. They would give all the characters the Morbius and Madame Web treatment.
@@thomasbennett0 you do realize Sony isn’t just one studio right? Sony makes films under their film publishing label, Sony has different distributions under their name.
For example Sony animation studio and Sony pictures are two different studios operating under the same company but have different roles, Sony animation makes primarly animation films and tv shows while Sony pictures makes live action.
You don’t seem to be knowledge about this type of stuff
And Sony animation made Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon, if Sony has a comic studio under their label, they probably would do a better job, nobody is handling Spider-Man comics worse than Marvel comics.
I have a wonderful idea for new story arc for Spider-Man:
We see how someone is rewatching the video, where Spider-Man reveals his face, but it was covered by red interferences. To uncover this mystery, a woman calls her friend and tells that they’re going to New York.
Later, Spider-Man encounters an aristocratic looking woman named Marquise De Blade and her Chinese companion Yun-Yun: Marquise can weapons from the light, especially a sword, while Yun-Yun is a skilled martial artist and master of Chi.
Spider-Man fights Marquise, but their fight are interrupted by a group of intruders, who calls themselves “Those from the future”. One of them, Greenika, attacks Yun-Yun, but Spider-Man saves her and helps Marquise and Yun-Yun to defeat Greenika. Enemies leave, promising to return, and Spider-Man forms an alliance with Marquise, Yun-Yun and a mysterious Vira.
During this story arc they fight against Those from the future, which includes:
- Greenika: a young woman who can create big green energy claws from her hands
- Aurelia: an elderly lady with strong mind control abilities
- Ferra: a living liquid of iron, which takes form of human girl.
- Sixth: a cynical young man with white hair and red jacket, who can create his own version of “Psi-web” and make his body grow in muscles.
- Miss Ally: a high attractive woman, who can transform into an owl-like monstrous creature.
- Lunaris: a goddess of the Moon, who is forced to serve the group’s leader.
Throughout the story, Spider-Man reveals his identity to Marquise and they will fall in love with each other. Meanwhile, Yun-Yun will find a white haired and practically nude young lady, only known as “Q”. The team is attacked by Avengers on request of their newest member, Leah, who in reality a genetic experiment of “Those from the future” (just like Sixth), known as L.E.A.H.
After this battle, Marquise begins to act strange. Turns out that “Marquise” was a robot who is being placed by another member of “Those from the future” - Maina, who was pretending to be “Vira” all along. Peter, Yun-Yun & Q defeat them only to encounter the leader of Those from the future - Dagger. She also can manipulate light and create weapons from it, especially daggers. They can’t defeat her, and Q uses her teleport ability to save her friends.
Peter, Yun-Yun & Q start to search for Marquise only to find out about Dagger’s plan: she is planning to plant her mind into Marquise’s body.
Turn out, Marquise is the true founder of “Those from the future”: their fight against “Those from the future” will unite many superheroes and will form an organisation, which becomes “Those from the future” in a distant future. The shocking truth is also revealed: Marquise is actually Dagger’s ancestor.
The last issues of this story arc will bring many superheroes together, however, Dagger succeeds to place her consciousness into Marquise’s body, making her powers way stronger. Dagger, who is now called “Neo-Marquise”, asks heroes to finish “Those from the future”, but she is attacked by Spider-Man, Yun-Yun & Q. Dagger’s former companions also join the battle.
The climax is very dramatic: at one point Marquise manages to bring back control of her body, says goodbye to her friends and stabs herself with a blade from light, killing herself.
Heartbroken Peter leaves with Yun-Yun in China to visit Yun’s sister.
Teresa Parker?
@@mayotango1317well, I almost forgot about her…
Like Spider-Man writers did.
I'd actually argue it's the older fans who no longer understand Spider-Man. They selfishly want him to be aged up in order to reflect THEIR experiences in life. But what about the rest of us? What about the children experiencing Spider-Man for the first time like we did as children? For somebody my age for example, I can certainly relate to a post-OMD Spider-Man much more than I can to Ultimate Spider-Man
The issue is, is that there are plenty of opportunities to have both. But they always result to having him be young
Considering Peter's canon age is, like, 29(?), that kind of feels like Marvel trying to have their cake and eat it too. Twenty-nine year olds, shockingly, don't act like they're in highschool.
That why Miles Morales exist.
Peter is not relatable and human anymore. Nobody cares about him.
First of all you’re a liar. Spider-Man hadn’t been a kid since the 60’s. So unless you’re 80 years old, you grew up with an adult Spider-Man in the comics. He’s not suppose to be in high school, even Stan Lee knew this and had his graduate by issue 28. If you want High School Spider-Man, that’s what Miles is for.
@mayotango1317 That's also why *retellings* exist, animated shows, movies, there's always gonna be a new one for the next generation but the *main* adventures should kinda push the boundaries more.
Zeb Wells cooked at an extremely low temperature
It’s raw