Alicent trying to understand Haeleas fascination for bugs and sitting next to her bored is so funny. It's is like when a kid trys to explain mincraft to their parent todayxD
In the books, she has a close relationship with her father. In fact, the night before he passes we are told that she brought her kids to him as she did everynight before bed-time so Viserys could tell them stories of his time riding Balerion. But that night after the tale he felt undisposed and excuse himself to go rest, they left and Viserys died in his sleep.
I know he’s sort of a twat and all, but I love how Otto definitely has a soft spot for Helaena. He also looks happy when Aegon is crowned. He loves his grandkids, however power hungry he is.
She reminds me Sansa in some moments, being scared and shaking in fear of probably Aegon It feels like Haelena is mostly scared of moments when he’s drunk and comes to her bedroom, therefore the moments when he ignores her are like a relief
lmao what are you talking about she is literallly smiling after talking about aegon at the dinner, while she plays with a bug/toy HE gave her stop making up nonsense
@lifeofphobia honestly, I agree with OP comment. I don't think Haleana's smile was one of happiness, I think that was just a default expression. I wouldn't say she was SCARED of him, but I highly doubt that she's happy around him. You seem to he focusing on the fact that she was smiling after her speech, but ignore what she was actually saying in the speech.
@@lifeofphobiashe smiles because of her nature, you have to listen to her words and how harrowing what she said was, that’s why everyone around her is uncomfortable.
I like that in a scene where she is doing embroidery when alicent and otto come she is making some sort of bug pattern on fabric. I just like the fact they are still going with a theme of her liking bugs even when doing stuff without bugs.
Middle aged Helaena seems very secure and all knowing. Older Helaena seems very scattered and anxious. Maybe a display of it getting harder and harder to feel so isolated with her thoughts
She’s a seer. The older she gets, the closer she gets to the Dance of Dragons. I take her change in demeanor as a growing sense of panic that events are happening as she’s foreseen them happen.
@IzabellaRequiem In the books(no idea if this was even hinted in the show), Helaena was Viserys's FAVORITE of the Green dragons 🐉 They even bond more than most
@@joe334 either way both will die eventually.. So nothing matters really Black's 13 dragon vs aeimond/vhagar gave them tough fight lmao even 1v1 combat nephew aeimond might crush so called rogue prince demon chadarmod kbye.
@@dafaqsmh5484 I took a good minute to understand your comment but I still couldn't understand it, sorry. But that's what I meant by the comment. They both died.
I teach a lot of students with ASD. Helaena’s traits are just… too similar to me… I’ve observed her mannerisms in my own classroom. Her unflinching candor, sensory overload and affection for specific things are just…too familiar… lol…
@@Hartwig870 I mean, just the fact that Jace is fvcking normal mentally speaking is enough to know that she’d be happier with him and not with any of her weirdo brothers lmao
Poor haelena for what's coming for her, she's just innocent as a sheep and yet she was dragged in upcoming war. The blacks' are not so innocent either, it's viserys fault for neglecting his 2nd family they didn't get a chance to love them like rhaenyra.
Viserys was a Foolish King, he taught nothing to his heir or his son........they both are clueless honestly, Rhaenyra is no better than Aegon when it comes to politics. She is worried about losing sons in the war BRUH that's basic, get over it, you need people to fight. Or just give up, and hope they don't come after you LOL.
Honestly these scenes gave me a soft spot for Alicent. The part where Alicent is sitting bored while Helaena explains the bugs and their legs reminds me of me explaining my interests to my mom when I was a kid. She was probably so bored and didn’t understand but tried her best to be interested
I don't like Alicent much but she really didn't want this life she looked so done even in the first scene trying to get baby Helaena to be quiet. Girls in that time period were forced to grow up too quickly.
“It is our fate, I think, to always crave what is given to another. If one possesses a thing, the other will take it away.” Helaena trying to understand the reason as to why Aegon was crowned.
Helaena is more than a truly innocent Targaryen. I liked this change cause it made you look at her beyond how she behaves. She may be "strange" but she was intelligent. It always sticks with me when young Helaena points out how many legs the insect she has in her hand. She adds the math up barely two seconds later. Helaena is truly deserving of happiness and peace. Unfortunately she was born at the worst wrong time for her family. Try as she might, her dreams make her realize there is nothing to do to stop it but to recognize the inevitable.
Yes, though I don't know if she has some sort of formally designated condition that people in our world can have, if that's what you meant. But her neurodivergence relates to cognitive abilities. She seems to miss a lot of social cues, such as failing to notice her mother's boredom when they were talking about an insect and of course when she stated awkward and uncomfortable details about her marriage with Aegon at the family dinner table. Her attempts at expressing herself are also often vague and confusing. I can't tell if she realizes this and doesn't care all the time or if she just doesn't notice (I don't recall others asking her for clarification in scenes I remember where she was very vague in meaning though, hm). She seems like she tends to be disinterested in what's going on around her (not as much when it comes to her children perhaps though) in favor of something in particular she's interested in if it's present, like insects. It seemed like she was very interested in small details about insects, like the number of legs and eyes they had. Her interest in insects appeared strong at least in her scenes as a kid. She comes off as living in her own world, though again, not quite as much when she's grown... It's interesting to me that she expresses her dreamer sights as riddles. It makes me wonder what she "sees" when she has a dreamer sight. I can't tell if her neurodivergence mostly pertains to social skills and attention (what she focuses on, when, and how intensely so, like when she focused on insects amidst a funeral and ignored everything going on around her) or if it's more encompassing. To compare her traits to something "earthly" she sort of makes me think of ASD, though my knowledgeable of ASD is to a more "textbook" extent (I'm not an expert).
@@kurliigurlii Based on what I've seen of her, I'd definitely consider that in our modern-day culture she'd likely be diagnosed with some form of autism.
I can relate to Helaena. I've autism and epilepsy but don't know if it counts as neuro-divergence. But, I'm a lot more comfortable in the internet to express abstract concepts and to have an opinion. I also don't like being touched and I murmur sometimes. The weird part is I have visions and gut feelings that comes true.
Daeron Targaryen, alicent 3rd son must have seen his parents forcing his siblings to marry each other and dipped to oldtown to search for his beautiful Dornish Martell bride 👰♂!!
If Visyres took a second to look at his second daughter, he would have been so happy to have a seer in the family. He loved prophecies.
Yes, except he never bothered
He actually loved Helaena in the books. The show took a different turn
Alicent trying to understand Haeleas fascination for bugs and sitting next to her bored is so funny. It's is like when a kid trys to explain mincraft to their parent todayxD
3:30 I fuckin love Otto going "good" as in "bravo, bravo" to Helaena. Haha fantastic
I think it's sweet she loves bugs. She reminds me of how kind hearted the lannister princess was.
2:13 we can see she loves her father, giving a little smile when he arrives unlike her brothers
In the books, she has a close relationship with her father. In fact, the night before he passes we are told that she brought her kids to him as she did everynight before bed-time so Viserys could tell them stories of his time riding Balerion. But that night after the tale he felt undisposed and excuse himself to go rest, they left and Viserys died in his sleep.
I know he’s sort of a twat and all, but I love how Otto definitely has a soft spot for Helaena. He also looks happy when Aegon is crowned. He loves his grandkids, however power hungry he is.
He obviously wrote a book that years later Tywin had to have read.
Yeah because he has no use for her politically so she is just his granddaughter who he loves
Of course he looks happy at Aegon's coronation since this is a an intended result of his scheming...
He was nothing short of a fu%king typical Lannister thru and thru.
I love how her mom is trying her damnest to bond with her and find common ground 🤦😂
I don't think she is
She can bond with her by teaching her the feet technique 😏
@@LightningFox7why not
Despite Alicent not being a good mother she at least tried with what experience she had with her family
@@LightningFox7She tried with Helaena more than she dkd with her sons
She didn't appear much but knowing what the future departs for her, I know I might cry...
it did
She seems caught in the middle of the chaos
She reminds me Sansa in some moments, being scared and shaking in fear of probably Aegon
It feels like Haelena is mostly scared of moments when he’s drunk and comes to her bedroom, therefore the moments when he ignores her are like a relief
lmao what are you talking about she is literallly smiling after talking about aegon at the dinner, while she plays with a bug/toy HE gave her stop making up nonsense
@@lifeofphobia he's a rapist it's perfectly valid to think she's scared of him
@lifeofphobia honestly, I agree with OP comment. I don't think Haleana's smile was one of happiness, I think that was just a default expression. I wouldn't say she was SCARED of him, but I highly doubt that she's happy around him. You seem to he focusing on the fact that she was smiling after her speech, but ignore what she was actually saying in the speech.
@@lifeofphobiacope.
@@lifeofphobiashe smiles because of her nature, you have to listen to her words and how harrowing what she said was, that’s why everyone around her is uncomfortable.
I like that in a scene where she is doing embroidery when alicent and otto come she is making some sort of bug pattern on fabric. I just like the fact they are still going with a theme of her liking bugs even when doing stuff without bugs.
I like how it's a spider and ser Crisron keeps referring to Rhaenyra supposedly being a spider
@@VX3960 that is very intresting thanks or telling me
Poor girl didnt deserve what she got. One of the most innocent people in the realm.
Every royal child in Westeros is innocent until their mothers start to fill their heads with bad juju
she's so adorable lol
Middle aged Helaena seems very secure and all knowing. Older Helaena seems very scattered and anxious. Maybe a display of it getting harder and harder to feel so isolated with her thoughts
She’s a seer. The older she gets, the closer she gets to the Dance of Dragons. I take her change in demeanor as a growing sense of panic that events are happening as she’s foreseen them happen.
Maybe because she was like 12 and wasn't married/forced to have children then
Alicent did not gaf about her bugs and it showed 😭😭😭
I mean :d who did ? hahha
@IzabellaRequiem
In the books(no idea if this was even hinted in the show), Helaena was Viserys's FAVORITE of the Green dragons 🐉
They even bond more than most
Otto supporting Halaena's speech while softly smiling 😭
Notice how she curtsied a little as possible when Aegon was crowned. 😅
Do you have any idea how rough it must be to be known as the "weirdest Targaryen"?
Better than freakish evil chadarmod demon lol next season aeimond will kill that demon for sure.
@@dafaqsmh5484No. Daemon kill Aemond
@@dafaqsmh5484In the books Daemon jumps from Caraxes to Vhagar and kills Aemond, then Daemon falls to his death so idk what you're on about 💀💀💀
@@joe334 either way both will die eventually.. So nothing matters really Black's 13 dragon vs aeimond/vhagar gave them tough fight lmao even 1v1 combat nephew aeimond might crush so called rogue prince demon chadarmod kbye.
@@dafaqsmh5484 I took a good minute to understand your comment but I still couldn't understand it, sorry. But that's what I meant by the comment. They both died.
I teach a lot of students with ASD. Helaena’s traits are just… too similar to me… I’ve observed her mannerisms in my own classroom.
Her unflinching candor, sensory overload and affection for specific things are just…too familiar… lol…
I feel like she and Jace would have been happy together
🤡🤮🤮💩
I'm sure she would've agreed
Gee, what gave you that impression?
@@Hartwig870 I mean, just the fact that Jace is fvcking normal mentally speaking is enough to know that she’d be happier with him and not with any of her weirdo brothers lmao
@@ann.6854he’s agreeing with you can’t you see that?
She's the odd one even in her odd family... we must protect her.
The fear and frown when she bows for Aegon. She’s such a great actress
I always feel sorry for her 😢
Young Helena 😍
anyone else like how daemon just has to stare and everyone is frighten
Poor haelena for what's coming for her, she's just innocent as a sheep and yet she was dragged in upcoming war. The blacks' are not so innocent either, it's viserys fault for neglecting his 2nd family they didn't get a chance to love them like rhaenyra.
Viserys was a Foolish King, he taught nothing to his heir or his son........they both are clueless honestly, Rhaenyra is no better than Aegon when it comes to politics. She is worried about losing sons in the war BRUH that's basic, get over it, you need people to fight. Or just give up, and hope they don't come after you LOL.
Alicent tried so hard to connect with Heleana.
You can tell Helaena is Otto’s favorite grandchild. 🤣
Thank You, so much I love her
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Honestly these scenes gave me a soft spot for Alicent. The part where Alicent is sitting bored while Helaena explains the bugs and their legs reminds me of me explaining my interests to my mom when I was a kid. She was probably so bored and didn’t understand but tried her best to be interested
I missed most of her clues when I first watched S1. I should pay attention the next time she talks
I don't like Alicent much but she really didn't want this life she looked so done even in the first scene trying to get baby Helaena to be quiet. Girls in that time period were forced to grow up too quickly.
“It is our fate, I think, to always crave what is given to another. If one possesses a thing, the other will take it away.”
Helaena trying to understand the reason as to why Aegon was crowned.
Helaena is more than a truly innocent Targaryen. I liked this change cause it made you look at her beyond how she behaves. She may be "strange" but she was intelligent. It always sticks with me when young Helaena points out how many legs the insect she has in her hand. She adds the math up barely two seconds later. Helaena is truly deserving of happiness and peace. Unfortunately she was born at the worst wrong time for her family. Try as she might, her dreams make her realize there is nothing to do to stop it but to recognize the inevitable.
4:50
Wait, the childrens says "Daemon Targaryen"? Or maybe is my imagination... 😧
Weird does sound that way lol
Oh no YES it sounded like Daemond and Aemond, while they were playing with some toys fighting each other 😧
I know she’s a dreamer but does anyone else think she could be nuerodivergent?
shes so autism coded
Yes, though I don't know if she has some sort of formally designated condition that people in our world can have, if that's what you meant. But her neurodivergence relates to cognitive abilities. She seems to miss a lot of social cues, such as failing to notice her mother's boredom when they were talking about an insect and of course when she stated awkward and uncomfortable details about her marriage with Aegon at the family dinner table. Her attempts at expressing herself are also often vague and confusing. I can't tell if she realizes this and doesn't care all the time or if she just doesn't notice (I don't recall others asking her for clarification in scenes I remember where she was very vague in meaning though, hm). She seems like she tends to be disinterested in what's going on around her (not as much when it comes to her children perhaps though) in favor of something in particular she's interested in if it's present, like insects. It seemed like she was very interested in small details about insects, like the number of legs and eyes they had. Her interest in insects appeared strong at least in her scenes as a kid. She comes off as living in her own world, though again, not quite as much when she's grown... It's interesting to me that she expresses her dreamer sights as riddles. It makes me wonder what she "sees" when she has a dreamer sight. I can't tell if her neurodivergence mostly pertains to social skills and attention (what she focuses on, when, and how intensely so, like when she focused on insects amidst a funeral and ignored everything going on around her) or if it's more encompassing. To compare her traits to something "earthly" she sort of makes me think of ASD, though my knowledgeable of ASD is to a more "textbook" extent (I'm not an expert).
@@kurliigurlii Based on what I've seen of her, I'd definitely consider that in our modern-day culture she'd likely be diagnosed with some form of autism.
I would usually roll my eyes at a comment like this but I think you’re 💯 right
I can relate to Helaena. I've autism and epilepsy but don't know if it counts as neuro-divergence. But, I'm a lot more comfortable in the internet to express abstract concepts and to have an opinion. I also don't like being touched and I murmur sometimes. The weird part is I have visions and gut feelings that comes true.
Could u do young and old Rhaenyra?
I'm sorry, I would but it keeps getting blocked for copyright.
The throne scene she’s zoned out or looking around analyzing like she’s seeing it again
1:51 1:57 3:06 3:10 3:17 4:21 5:17 5:58 6:13
Kind of sad that you see her as a baby at the start, and by S2 her own child is killed
Daeron Targaryen, alicent 3rd son must have seen his parents forcing his siblings to marry each other and dipped to oldtown to search for his beautiful Dornish Martell bride 👰♂!!