New Vs Old Ross Distortion, Nano Vs Vintage EHX Deluxe Memory Man & Other Interesting Excursions
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Four great pedals - but what do we really want to know?
Welcome to the show! We’ve had a lot of artist shows just lately… and we love them. But it is called That Pedal Show after all, and there are many here among us who feel that life is but a… oh hang on… there are many here among us who miss a good old dig through some new stompers.
We have decided to focus our digging on one or two simple - hopefully obvious - questions that the official demo and review videos probably won’t ask. Now then, regular viewers will know that ‘focus’ isn’t exactly a key strength of That Pedal Show, so we’re easing ourselves in gently via the usual tangents and banter. What we eventually get around to asking is:
- Does the new Ross Distortion sound like an original old one from the late 1970s?
- Does the Thorpy The Dane MkII’s new boost actually sound like the Heavy Water?
- Does the Electro-Harmonix Nano Deluxe Memory Man sound anything like Dan’s original?
- And what is a Lo-Fi reverb anyway? Erm, using the Caroline Météore and UA Golden as our yardsticks.
Massive thanks to…
- Jonny Duffett for giving us the old Ross pedal.
- Gav Thorpe for the trade on the Marshall Bluesbreaker combo.
- Charlie Higginson of Riffers Brixham for the deal on the Johnny Jag!
If you can, enjoy the show!
Pedals & stuff in this episode
• TheGigRig Three2One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Sonic Research Turbo Tuner ST-200
Australia: bit.ly/3AIinS5
• Ross Distortion [new]
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3zaTX5Z
Australia: bit.ly/3LNWIxH
USA: bit.ly/3Q0bTX0
• Original Ross Distortion
No longer available
• Thorpy The Dane MkII
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3zaTX5Z
• Thorpy Heavy Water
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3zaTX5Z
Australia: bit.ly/3qq9h7W
USA: bit.ly/3u68BGF
• Electro-Harmonix Nano Deluxe Memory Man
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3zaTX5Z
Australia: bit.ly/46Tkuk3
USA: bit.ly/3tkxdO7
• Original Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man
No longer available
• Caroline Guitar Company Météore
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3zaTX5Z
Australia: bit.ly/48C1jNb
• UA Golden Reverberator
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3zaTX5Z
Australia: bit.ly/3nWH71J
USA: bit.ly/3ra6vo2
Interesting bits and go-to sections
0:00 Intro playing
0:33 What are we doing today?
1:10 Overwhelmed with pedals
2:23 Ross Distortion intro & background
4:23 Ooh, we have an original!
6:40 Today’s amps
7:19 New Ross Distortion sounds
11:59 New & Old Ross compared
16:27 Ross distortion cleanup?
18:50 Thorpy The Dane MkII intro
20:00 Thorpy question & sounds
27:52 Dane & Heavy Water boost compared
30:25 Boost before or after drive question
34:13 Boost before or after drive sounds
37:35 EHX Nano Deluxe Memory Man intro
39:45 The EHX question. And sounds…
43:58 Old & new Deluxe Memory Man compared
51:50 In the new Memory Man’s defence…
54:45 Caroline Météore intro & question?
57:05 A hi-fi reverb? UA Golden
1:00:40 Météore sounds
1:08:22 Closing thoughts
Guitars in today’s episode
• Gibson Memphis 1958 ES-335 (2017) - Mick’s video here: • Gibson Memphis 1958 ES...
• 1961 Fender Stratocaster - Mick’s video here: • Three New Strats For M...
• Fender Johnny Marr Signature Jaguar - no video yet
Amps in today
• Marshall 1962 Bluesbreaker 2x12 combo (modern reissue) with Celestion G12M Greenback speakers
• Hamstead Artist 60+RT head & 112 cab with Celestion G12M 65 Creamback speaker. Dan’s video here: • TPS Our Guitars & Gear...
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Duuuuudes, thank you so so much for the love, you’re a couple of beautiful people. That is the way I like it, 100% and a DP sandwich everyday 😅. And the DP boost side is really designed to give you that huge fat clean when you’re playing alone, which we do a lot in our videos of course, it makes any clean boring amp sound heavenly:), and it makes any Strat or tele bloom, instant Mayer tone, it’s like an always on thing. I will run it level at 9 and lows at 3 for that.. And if I wanna use it as a boost for the drive side I would do it the other way around. But now the HC clipping is on it I love using that when I boost the drive side, exactly for the reason you guys say. The other thing I do is have drive pedal on each side of the Dane and that way I have the boost after a drive (like you guys like it, you weirdoes :). Thank you again and let’s hang soon please. Luv ya💜
The main thing about the original Ross line was that I was young and money was scarce and Ross and DeArmond pedals were cheaper than MXR.
Love this format for the show. Its structured but also has room for play and explore new things
Wow, that Meteore immediately grabs you. It’s an instant atmosphere, so good!
Totally fun kicking it old school with you guys just demoing some pedals. Great way to start my Friday. Thanks again.
So glad to see a Caroline pedal on here. Meteore is so unique, Somersault is a lush chorus/vibrato, despite being labelled also as 'low fi'.' Would love to hear you play the Shigeharu fuzz too, its basically a tube screamer into big muff sound, love how it retains clarity and fuzziness. The labeling on the pedals can be a bit annoying, but they're always a lot of fun
Caroline deserves more attention in the pedal world.
I got the Meteore and Kilobyte, about a decade ago, and the Kilobyte has never left my board.
The Meteore only leaves the board, if I’m in a cover band, and I need very specific reverbs, that are easier to do with a multi-effect.
Though, I’ve gotten through cover gigs with just the Meteore.
It works like different types of delay, based on how the controls are set, and it’s nice having the havoc switch for getting cool sound effects, or a ending and even with the Kilobyte, I can set it up to do very unique lead tones.
Killer builder.
The Meteore low fi takes one to sixties film and, if you were alive to hear it, a low fi experience. This does a stellar job of recreating that "budget" "low fidelity" recording era. It really does take you to a place in time.
37.35- made me laugh- Dan starts finger click with Left hand, finishes click with right- I love TPS. So real. You guys are the best.
I love this format. Please do more like it. This is really helpful!
I really enjoy how both of you adjust what you are playing from what the pedal gives you. It’s inspiring and I learn a lot each show.
this format is absolutely perfect. it genuinely suits your personalities so, so very well. honestly, reminds me a little bit of way way back in That Pedal Shed times, and i couldn’t keep a massive smile off of my face the whole video.
y’all are doing great work. cheers!
Thanks guys, your take on new pedals, or old, always makes for an entertaining show.
Dan's enjoyment of playing his old Dlx Memory Man has just inspired me to finally press the button on getting an old one. Great video as always gentlemen, thanks!
Absolutely LOVE the format of this vid. Keep em coming. Alot of times I think what falls down with typical pedal demos is CONTEXT, and this provides it brilliantly.
That Jaguar is phenomenal and it's so Dan! Enjoy it and embrace the string-behind-the-bridge-ness: it's part of the sound! 😍
I’m totally in love with it 😍
@@ThatPedalShow really glad for you. Looks beautiful and you look really connected with it! ❤
@@ThatPedalShowthose bareknuckle pickups are very cool. I love em with a hotcake: the bite, the snarl..it rips
@@ThatPedalShowI see a Mastery bridge swapped in. Did the same to mine. Original bridge had the E strings too close to the fingerboard edge. Nice.
I agree, I never really wanted a Jaguar before now. Ugh! Thanks Dan. LOL!
Great episode, terrific playing and it sounds fantastic! Dan's old MM has a very special fidelity, a lot of space and depth in the chorus, it wraps around everything and lifts you into it. I can feel Dan's love for the new Jag. BIG Love to the whole TPS crew.
Great new format, Legends! Such wonderful playing. I really loved what Mick came up with, when playing with the Météore. Beautiful!
Really love the format. Great to wade through the dense market and make some interesting and practical ideas
This is *proper* TPS... the other shows were great but this is the meat and potatoes of the channel. The inspiration you got from the Meteore is exactly how I feel every time I use the Rubberneck.
Well done, Gents! Thank you. Very informative and fun. I like this episodes format.
I always love watching people play their vintage DMM on video showing the settings, and then compare it to mine. They vary so dang much, but all fun with their own thing!
I love the qualified question approach to demoing the pedals. The comparison between hi-fi and lo-fi with the Golden and the Meteore was great!!
The Meteore is on of may favorite pedals! It has a sound all to itself!
Great episode! In terms of the DMM... I really feel the old big box's preamp and fixed modulation ratio are the key elements to why it sounds so better.
Love this type of show format. Given many of us have to think hard before buying a vintage or premium pedal vs a new/reissue, it gives us a chance to decide if it is worth it or not.
The OG Memory Man is really special. Ive had one since 2001. The Nano is my back up for my "home" mini rig. Love the comparison gentlemen!!
I really like seeing you all fiddle with new pedals.
Wow! Great playing on this one both! Made me wanna go plug in immediately!
Haha!
Fizzy Dan is the best Dan! 😁
The enthusiasm you both show is the reason we're all here, it's totally contagious.
Keep doing what you do. 👍👍
LONG videos are best, and I am unanimous in that. ;)
the johnny marr jag is so you, dan! what a wonderful gift, mick
ROCK ON
Great show Leg Ends, I love Dan's new Jag , it's nice to see Mick's 335 getting the love it deserves. That Strat is a thing of beauty, no wonder it's welded to Mick's hands . The Dane is still brilliant. I love the enthusiasm you guys have for your craft . Nice to see the Pedals are back on That Pedal Show ( Who Would Have Thunk It !! ) . PEACE AND LOVE TO EVERYONE ❤❤.
I really enjoy this format. It's not about "better or worse." It's more educational for the listener to hear the differences and similarities to understand what is right for them.
That said, Dan is spot-on about the new Ross. I like both the germanium and silicone sounds, but they are different enough that having that foot-switchable would be brilliant.
I love this and the episodes likes this and those that show all of the different kinds of modulated analog delay for example are my favorites. Longer than hour please.
So great to see some love for Caroline Guitar Co. The Meteore is my favorite pedal of all time.
In the early 70’s I liked fuzz face, Maestro phaser, Echoplex and cranked Marshalls. Today my simple board is Wah (Real McCoy), Anologman Sunface (NKT), Believe (octave), & FoxRox Aquavibe. My amp (Carr Rambler) has a great reverb & tremolo. When I want experimental I have a chain of pedals that range from Strymon to Chase Bliss to Keeley to (fill in the blank) which are on three different loaded pedalboards that can be connected in any order. The one constant is that I still prefer physical pedals over plug-ins.
It's nice to see the Jag. I have a 66 I bought in 85.
I think the silicon vs germanium on the Ross distortion reissue sounds like it has more bass than the germanium.
It's always nice watching you two try out pedals!
Awesome Jaguar, Dan! So great to see you playing an offset!
I bought my Ross Distortion (black version) about 1985. Always on, Distortion at 11 o'clock and Volume all the way up. Only pedal I owned until I started watching TPS a few years ago! -Thanks guys!
P.S. it's still on the board
When he put the strat through the Dane that’s how we all imagine the strat we’re obsessing over is going to sound. That was one of the best Strat tones I’ve ever heard
Came for entertainment as always, didn’t disappoint and got excited by mention of Neil Finn (bows in awe with Dan).
That opening growl was delightful!
The thing about this show is that you two are so likeable and knowledgeable about what (almost; my GF watches too) the audience is so interested in, I don’t care if you are covering my topic of least interest, you’re great entertainment. Tx! You’ve arrived.
That Bluesbreaker suits you well! I had the pleasure to compare my JTM45( 2x12 cab) with a 100W JMP and now i know why you have to have both!
I know that isn't a mustang but I have an original 1968 mustang and I have to say, it sounds wonderful. Something about the bridge is really a lot of fun and adds to the sound. This is coming from a guy who owns a Jem, a Les Paul, Strat, etc. Something really unique about the sound. Love the new guitar you have there. Really great sounding and the orange just pops
Great new format to add to the pot- thanks. Really enjoyed!
What a fantastic looking jaguar !! Want to see (and hear) it more :)
Awesome show format, love it guys!!!
Thanks so much! 🤓🙏
Can't believe it took you guys this long to get ahold of the Meteore! Such an excellent pedal - and great for more than just "lo-if" sounds. It's my most used reverb pedal!
Totally get what Dan is experiencing - the "feel" of those old EHX pedals is truly special. They just magically become an extension of your fingers. The new ones all feel stiff, like I'm fighting them. Nothing compares to my old Electric Mistress - volume drop, noise, and all!
Love the show , the reverb really caught my eye, got to try the lofi reverb on my Ventris :DD
great format, love this episode
Love the format. Comparison new to old is great. "Will this unseat the current standard?" Is a great question. And for any of these, we must hear the '61! What it does to a pedal is it's own thing and helps juxtalose. Any excuse to hear a new angle on that guitar is welcome!
Whoo hoo a Meteore on TPS! I bought mine from a Tokyo guitar store in 2017 and it will never leave my board (and enjoys sitting between my fuzzes and drives)
I watch the show to hear quality guitar playing through awesome gear it's inspiring! 👍
Great amps, great guitars and great pedals! Beautiful philosophy in doing these pedals, and may more in the future I might hope, going all Socrates in with good questions. Answers are subjective, wich is a great thing in music and philosophy, not so much in politics, I’m afraid.
Loved this episode! Both of you digged deep. Thank you so much.
Epic!
🖖
Dan's Jag is too cool. I just got a Gretsch Tennessee Rose with the low output Hi'LoTrons, and I'm a convert to low output pickups. Sounded epic with the Rosses! I would very much like one in sonic blue.
‘Plugging it in, turning some knobs and see what comes out’ that is how I’ve made three albums in three years. Let the pedals take you and go with it - as much as possible use those first takes.
Your recent look back at pedals you haven’t used in a while inspired me to do the same and I have fallen back in love with the DOD Rubberneck. After watching this episode, I would love Dan’s take on the Rubberneck compared with his old DMM - not as a replacement or clone, but if the question is “what modern-production, reliable pedal could do *that thing* for me in a live setting,” I think you owe the Rubberneck a deep dive to see how it does.
It has been a very long time since you guys have come up against a preconception & watching it be shattered by inspiration was wonderful to see. Now Dan can jump down the Lo-Fi rabbit hole and emerge a shoegazer.
As a Dane I approve boost before overdrive 😊 Also as a The Dane MkII owner, I can recommend runnning a Fuzz (I’m using a Mythos Golden Fleece) into The Dane’s boost side - sounds bloody amazing!
I'm not Danish, but I love boost into overdrive. That's how I've had my D&M Drive set up since day one.
that Jag and old Memory Man... dude, I FELT that, man
I think the words you were both looking for with the memory man comparisons are “it’s very close but not exactly the same” and Dan has had his for so long and he knows it so well he immediately keys into the “it not exactly same”. Someone who didn’t have that experience could probably play the new one and be really happy with it.
For the record, what I really heard on the recording was it seemed like the modulation intensity was almost volume dependent old one (to my ear the notes smoothed as they were held on the old one) and the new one the modulation was very consistent. Which could be very different than in person.
Everyone needs a big box memory man - no one can put in words how good it is to play!!
Personally, I'm disappointed if TPS is less than an hour long, but 10-minute shows would be great to through some pedals that otherwise we might not see. Great show as always gents 👏 👍
Finally found time to finish the video! Definitely like this format really useful. Meteore sounded great. Now thinking how I can recreate that on Zoia or a Fractal.
Fantastic show guys!
I'm with Dan, I'd always expected the Meteore to be bit crushed and had never listened to it. Man very nice. Apparently there is a way to mod it to control the pre-delay, that would make it even more interesting, but sounded ace as it is. That being said... Dan playing his DMM with the Marrguar was some of my favorite tones I've heard on the show.
As much as I hope the shorter videos will earn you thousands of followers, all the lengthy, tangentheavy episodes is why I cherish you both like dear friends.
As for suggestions of Old-New.:
1. Echorec. Binson & T-rex (how did they not call it the echorex😅)
2. Your own Pedalboards, amps attitudes and guitars. 1997 (or something) vs 2023.
3. Recording a song on tape vs digital. Real world re-visited?
Anyway.
Lots of love and gratitude for you both and for what you do! Now off to friday night jam!!
Cheers!
I dont use it all the time but for the DMM thing I really love the Clockwork. Engineers always love it in the studio, really does that thing well
Enjoyed this format. Would love to see Dan compare the current nano DMM with the 1100TT
Interesting video guys! It is like hanging out with you guys for a little bit! Have a great weekend! see ya on Monday!
See you then matey 🤓👍
Pedals be damned - that Jag, the 335 and the new amps all sound fabulous!! OK back to the pedals - that Ross thing is sweet too.
As you loved the Meteore so much I would highly recommend the When The Sun Explodes by Beautiful Noise Effects. Quite a similar concept of a lo-fi/broken spring reverb with some really cool gain (feeding into the reverb) options and an incredible feedback section with an added tremolo (and build in Australia!)
Love to see an offset on TPS!!
(also just love to see a new episode in general but, you know, I think jags and jazzs are just about as cool as yall)
Nice energy for his episode. felt like old times
The difference between the DMMs is that the front of the note in the repeat is more muted in the small one campared to the big box (i think).
Try it out and listen for it, do tell if that’s the case:)
Great video as always!
I recommend the UA recreation of the Memory Man on Del-Verb and Starlight. It is just incredible.
You’ve put the new Ross distortion on my radar
love seeing dan with the jag!
Been trying to push Phillipe from Caroline Guitar Co as a guest here in what seems like forever haha.
So good to see my favourite reverb pedal on here, just the best guy and range of pedals.
Good to see the Hamstead out again. Fantastic amps, they deserve loads more love imho
Couldn't agree more!
That Jaguar JM is Killer!!!!!! I love that Axe
So does Dan - in a big way!
I haven’t bought a pedal in a long time. In fact I can’t remember when. I got the HX Stomp back in early 2022 to facilitate recording but before that I’m not sure. I’m happy with what I’ve got so not overwhelmed by all the stuff coming out. It’s just fun to see how things develop. I have so much I can do with what I’ve got it would be bonkers to buy more stuff for some time. I appreciate I might be in the minority. I’ve been focusing on making music with what I’ve got and I think that will continue.
Please not me - this is just me. And no judgement on anyone else and where they are at.
Mick, you sounded great on the intro. 😎🤓
The thing about the Ross distortion that I never hear people comment is it’s transparency. Everyone says that about the Klon. But if you have a Ross Distortion and dial up the distortion, it sounds exactly like your original guitar signal with just added grit
It would be great to see you guys swing through the UA pedals (the original three) and give those a go again with maybe more depth on them. That Golden Reverberator sounded pretty bloody amazing!
It’s interesting you guys say the DP boost is better in the room but the Heavy Water mode is what you’d want live. Pete has said before that he shaped the DP boost on the Dane in part to suit his needs playing demos for Anderton’s.
I have had a "Drive" sandwich for years - "BOOST-DRIVE_BOOST". Gives loads of options to drive after boost or boost after drive. Sometimes add another drive after the 2nd boost 😀
Boost either side and 3 different drives in the middle !😂
I've owned several deluxe memory man units over the years, and I noticed that the sound each makes is pretty specific to how the unit is calibrated. I sent a couple in for calibration by EHX at different times, and they came back sounding way better. Still like a memory man, but more clear. I think maybe Dan's old one might need calibration. Yours would sound much more like the nano I bet if it had it done.
On the DMM, i would say that the new one is like a clean version of a photo and the original one is like the same photo with a sepia filter on and instant nostalgic feels
G'day Dan & Mick,
Thanks for another great episode. I really like the idea for this type of comparo, & I've always liked your comprehensive videos. But, I think that you've missed out on a golden opportunity, particularly with a company like E-HX. Also, you could have asked a 2nd, different question.
You compared Dan's vintage Deluxe Memory Man to E-HX's Memory Man Nano, but you could have included a 2nd guest as well; the current Deluxe Memory Man. It occured to me that Electro-Harmonix sells pedals based on their original pedal designs, then versions of those pedals with additional features, as well as the original models (even if they're updted for modern manufacturing or component availability). So, you could have easily had an old/old vs new/old vs new/new Memory Man comparo.
Mick alluded to the 2nd question, when he commented about component values drifting over time. I'm a motor mechanic, & I know that if I have an HQ Kingswood (Dan must've had 1 too), & it's running rough (Dan again), that the contact points in the ignition could be worn. This gives me 3 options. First, I could leave the points alone, & say; "It's a vintage icon. Sometimes it runs rough", & put up with it. Second, I could clean & reset the points, & hope that the car will keep running smoothly for another 5,000 kms. Or third, I could just replace the points with a new set, & just fix the problem. Guitarists don't seem to see the 3rd option, & only see the 1st option. I can see the value in something like Dan's Deluxe MM, because of its history, & that shouldn't be spoiled (it's like an NFT for the pedal world). But, the 2nd question still remains; "Is the current version a good replacement for the used, worn out vintage item." Which leads to question 2A; "Did the vintage version ever sound like the new version, & are we just going all gooey over components with values that have drifted over time?" For the term "going gooey", you can use "wax poetically", but gooey is more like it.
Both of you are in a position were you can take the 1st opportunity I mentioned, having access to both vintage & new gear. Maybe you could consider it for the next time you have a comparo of this type.
Anyhow, thanks for another great video. I'm looking forward to the next one.
Andrew
BTW, I like your longer videos - I don't feel so guilty when I write long letters to respond. :)
Great show, as usual… regarding the DMMs, the old one’s transients are much softer, as opposed to the Nano, which has clearer and brighter transients in the repeats.
Hmm, I would have said the opposite. The older one seems to catch more of the front of the note and the frequency range is wider
Great pedal show! "Groovehenge" should be on a t-shirt.
I wrote this two or three years ago: Dan (you - depending who’s reading) should try the Fairfield Circuitry Shallow Water pedal. It wouldn’t surprise me if it would make him (you) really emotional. In a good way of course.
And if you do try one (I’m pretty sure Andertons will have one to try out), please take a little bit of time to understand the controls, because they act highly interactive.
I’m only writing this because I’m so convinced he (you?) will find it amazing. I usually don’t get around trying to convince RUclips content creators what or what not to do. This is my exception to that rule. ❤
Nice Jaguar! I'd be fizzy about it too!
The hampstead is back!!
Loved the episode as always! I must say I feel the difference between the old / new DMM is negligible, especially in a mix. Impossible to tell the difference. And the old DMM are just so troublesome and noisy it’s a no brainier.
I think it is a case of hearing tone with your eyes.
Love the look of the Jaguar. Absolutely gorgeous 🥰
I bought the Nano Deluxe MM this year, after doing quite a bit of research. What I learned is that the Nano vs has brighter repeats than the new full size version, so it might have been a better comparison if you had compared the original against the new full size version, which is supposedly truer to the old ones.
I've been on a pedal purchasing binge lately. Bought over ten in the last month alone lol.