@@TheLastGame666 same, also whoever came up with the idea of bayle compensating his missing leg with his tail and setting his exposed bone ablaze is a genius, that’s such a unique design choice
@@dev4159 midirs lazer is cool but I prefer Bayles dirty, messy and rageful lazer. It's kinda like Kylo Ren's lightsaber, just raw power/rage and no finesse
God, these two are the best dragon fights from has ever created imo. I like Bayle more than Midir but god Midir is still such a good fight. Also the music timing with the attack at 12:56 was so epic.
@@calebfouts7118 exactly how I feel, no other dragon fight really compares to the two imo. Also yeah I love when bayle does that, his OST and attacks seem to be made for these crazy syncs
I still like placi than the 2 because of his Lazer and his nuke. But yea, I respect your opinions since there is someone like ancient dragon from ds2 who is hot garbage lmfao.
@@hahahahahah4759 oh nice, I personally don’t find placi that fun to fight nowadays but his two headed lasers are surely a spectacle. Also I didn’t even find ancient dragon to be the worst dragon in DS2, I was lucky to get it on first try (and only got hit once) bc I knew it’s a hit and run fight. But man that mandatory red dragon in the cage in Aldia‘s keep that constantly flies away is my nemesis, one of my most hated bosses ever lmao (also the dragon in Heide‘s tower)
It took me this long to realise that just as Bayle first does his laser both times it makes a circle shockwave around his face; his laser literally breaks the sound barrier
Bayle feels like the more dynamic fight, imo. So much of Midir's attacks can be avoided by just walking backwards out of his range. Although with Bayle, if you don't know how to position yourself after dodging it can sometimes be hard to capitalize on the small windows to hit his head. Both are great fights though. I prefer the OST and arena of Bayle as well.
exactly how I feel about it. Bayle’s arena might actually be my favorite boss arena in fromsoft history, it’s gorgeous. I’ve been waiting for a setting like this since I saw mount gelmir for the first time, plus we got another iconic boss in a flower field
Bro, I came back to point out that the music in phase 2 is perfectly synced with Bayle's attacks. Damn, I've been wanting to see a dragon that fast, aggressive, and really want to kill me, there's an incredible weight to every hit and that sound of falling 11:10 just perfect. It's perfect, your video is perfect! The only thing I regret is that Bayle doesn't have a unique attack on low HP like Midir and Placidusax, that's a big omission.
@@Artem-eu3uv yeah sometimes his music hits so hard it’s crazy. I kinda agree on the ultimate attack, however I understand that they probably didn’t wanna do the same thing again and tbf his overall moveset is already super epic and flashy. Very glad you enjoyed my vid, love to hear that!
@@Veloketh To be honest, I had a few ideas about this. He will have three explosions (like during the transition to the second phase) per fight. The first for 70% HP, the second for 40%, the third for 15%. Each subsequent explosion has a larger radius and damage. After the second explosion, Bayle loses half of his scales, which worsens his defense but significantly increases the power of his attacks. After the third explosion, there are two options: 1)Bayle does a nuke in the place of which a thunder spear appears (like Placidusax's nuke), after which Bayle takes off, flies two circles, feeding the spear with a laser, at the end he breaks the spear, causing a huge explosion. 2)Series of 12 precise pierce wing attacks with hardest timing. Maybe this is a bad idea.
@@Artem-eu3uv sounds insane lmao. It should be an engaging attack to dodge imo, I like placidusax‘ nuke but just running away is kinda lame after the spectacle wears off. So for an explosion I think something like the scadutree avatar beams that come out and have to be dodged would be cool. Or imagine bayle created multiple groundwaves with the spear that you would have to jump or tightly roll (bit like rellana’s moons). I’m also still a huge sucker for big laser beam attacks even if it has done before lmao, so something like the attack from the demon prince from ds3 would be sick as well
Interesting how these two bosses are so different and also so alike. But the key I think is that Bayle is trying desperately to kill you to prove his superiority. While midir is literally in outrage by his curse. Even he attacking without precision shows it. Its like, bayle is your oponent midir is someone you're trying to help.(literally by the lore btw, which i think makes this boss fight the masterpiece it is)
Probably the coolest dragons in gaming. Midir's soundtrack has something that sensitizes me because it seems to me that it perfectly synchronizes with his artistic style/personality and that makes me prefer him just by a hair. It is heavy, dramatic and visceral. Also, Bayle's p2 transition is a work of art. Cinematic af Btw, cool drip, man!🤜🤛
Part of the reason I like Bayle so much more than Midir can be seen in this video alone. Midir disengages constantly and forces the player to spend so much time chasing him down for 1 attack to then disengage and do it again ad infinitum. When Bayle disengages, he immediately flings himself right back into your face, effectively negating any need to chase him because of his hyper aggression. And also thanks to that aggression it’s easier to stay in front of him, because he always repositions to face you. Midir feels like he’s just zoning you, which is fitting sure, but just not as fun to fight as Bayle’s in your face aggression, especially since most of the time Midir is fighting ghosts and occasionally firing in your direction.
Well i didnot really see much of a difference because when bayle disengages and then starts to attack he always do 3-6 combo attacks that you can not punish and he moves his head coñstantly(obviously because he has biting type attacks) Plus bayles laser attacks never hit me once it is quite easy tododge idk why did they make it small
Wtf the problem with bayle is that you can fight him while staying behind him and hitting his tail like a p*ssy. Midir insta punishes you for staying under him or behind him
I don't really summon NPC's for boss fights because it makes the boss stronger, but I gotta summon Igon for that epic dialogue, makes the fight against Bayle even better
@@MohamednacerKhelifi he facetanks everything. I did bayle first try because of that bitch... thankfully I did a backup before the fight (btw he does not increase bayle's hp)
05:49 Oh I was going to say, what a beautiful finish, but he apparently still had a lot of juice left, I keep forgetting how much health that abyssal bugger has today is Dragon day I have decided, played some Dark Souls Prepare to Die early in the morning battling Black Dragon Kalameet and then in the afternoon finally managed to work up the courage to conclude some unfinished business with Mr. Dread himself bloody hell that was an ordeal, got knocked around like a ragdoll and you would not believe how protective he can get over that last magic pixel of health on his bar... flew off to do his fireball shower just as the climax of his themesong kicked in, providing you with that nice extra portion of anxiety, my poor Tarnished Character must feel like a War Veteran now... so this video coming along today is such a nice coincidence
@@umukzusgelos4834 yeah he’s built like a steel factory, also my build wasn’t really polished to be as high dps as possible (I’m out of rebirths) and the fight was also in a NG+4 or higher cycle. Sounds like you had a blast today, you pretty much described the typical bayle experience right there haha. I love kalameet too, I hope I can replay DS1 again soon. Seems like the perfect day for me to post this video and for you to come across it
@@vb1125 can’t wait to fight gael and friede again! Ds3 was my first souls game so I’m glad people are still looking forward to these bosses even after 8 years
First I was like, yeah bayle is the straight winner (cuz I haven't play dark souls) but after seeing midir fight i understand why people call it the best dragons boss fight . Now to me both are the winners . Only 1 thing is missing was igon, even after his shity DMG he is the soul of the fight , narrator, 40% of Adrenaline in that fight is from igon alone.
@@NikhilKumar-wf4gk lmao I was waiting for the first comment about Igon! I thought about summoning him but I wanted to show both in a 1v1 to compare them. I’m happy people still appreciate Midir that much even after fighting bayle first, just shows how timeless his fight is, he really deserves all the praises. Biggest winners are the players because we got another dragon on midirs level
@@thetoast9262You fight Gwyn at the Kiln of the First Flame in DS1. The Ringed City-which is directly above Midir's arena is a completely different place. If you buy into the idea that the Kilns in DS1 and DS3 are the same location, albeit displaced by time and space, this is another reason why it cannot be true because you literally have to pass by the Kiln in DS3 in order to get to the Ringed City in the first place.
I love the fight with Midir! But the fight with Bayle I love it even more, and the thing is that Midir is limited in movements and they are very easy to learn, and Bayle constantly moves, flies and demonstrates new movements, plus as it seems to me the design Bayle much better developed, I'm very interested in how long the designers spent on his movements and design. And Midir is closer to the classic dragons.
@@MohamednacerKhelifithe fact that he has consistent punish windows, unlike Midir who runs away a lot. The fact that Bayle has much better visually appealing and engaging attacks, the fact that he's more ferocious and requires more skill, the fact that his OST is miles better, and the fact that he has much better lore and the best NPC (Igon) in Fromsoft history after Solaire
I love how good the flow of Bayle's fight is, and the fact that his head is almost always positioned right in front of you after his attacks so you can punish. I think midir is an S tier fight too, but the only thing I dislike about him is that some of his attacks last very long or move him away from the the player, forcing you to disengage for extended periods of time
true, you don’t really need to chase bayle down, he comes after you and keeps you engaged pretty much all the time. Even some of his easier to avoid attacks like the trail of lightning that follows you is spiced up by him breathing fire in the the direction you go in, trying to trap you or run into it. Feels like an actual intelligent creature
@@Bill_9999even Sif and Artorias felt fast back in the day. It's just that the games are evolving and we're adapting and getting better. Imagine what kind of terrifying beasts await us in future games😅
To me in terms of spectacle or how cool a boss is, I think midir would potentially be a lot closer to Bayle in quality if he had 3 things 1) water splashes that actually highlighted how strong he is Basically I think midir’s water splashes are way too small for what he’s doing, if they were larger and kept their shine it could’ve added a sense of beauty to a dragon that seems like it’s only trying to be badass while also highlighting his strength/scale 2) more unique moveset Bayle can summon fireballs, do lightning nukes, bites, can headbutt, summon lightning, shoot fire breath, shoot a laser, punches you with an exposed arm bone, has a leaping slam, uses tail attacks, has 2 divebombs, a volcano eruption, summons lightning wings and leaps around during many of his attacks. Basically midir has barely any moveset variety compared to Bayle as all he can do is bite, scratch, tail whip, charge, shoot fire, summon humanities, shoot lasers and erupt with abyss And they could’ve easily fixed this too as midir has literal blades on his wings 3) a more impactful phase transition I love the galaxy like effects on midir in phase 2 but he only gains 3 moves when he phase changes plus his arena doesn’t change at all Meanwhile Bayle gains several highly powerful/awesome attacks, also has a changed appearance, sets the whole arena on fire, becomes more aggressive/has better combos, adds more difficulty to the fight, and summons lightning with his punches Even in ds3 itself gael changes the entire skybox in phs 2 and 3 so for midir I assume they just weren’t feeling as ambitious In conclusion, as another comment said perfectly: midir walked so Bayle could fly Edit: btw I do love midir but bayle is just…better, and btw side note but it’s also really strange to me that midir has a reflection in the water but his effects like the laser or humanities don’t
good points, I definitely think Midir could use more variety. I like how primal and angry his melee moves feel but him using his wings like swords would be a really cool addition. I gotta give it to bayle to, the rhythm is incredible and I like that he has combo branchings and cinematic attacks that require more activeness on the players side Some of the stuff like the splashes and reflections might be due to lack of time or technical restraints. But yeah a change of atmosphere would be epic, especially given the abyss theme
@@Veloketh honestly pretty much everything you stated reflects the general consensus that Bayle is just upgraded midir, they used everything they could in what is essentially ds3 but with no restrictions and used that to make perfection, fixing all of midir’s errors by (I assume) using him as sort of a blueprint Maybe one day if ds3 gets remade midir will get closer to Bayle (also the abyss rising from the water in phs 2 would’ve been sick)
I love both but Midir still the best dragon boss fight in the series; still. The only one you actually feel like you are fighting an actual dragon. Midir > Bayle
@@ChihiroOfAstora I think they both accomplish that feeling very well with bayle being a bit more engaging and reactive to your positioning, mixing stuff up to throw you off like a cunning dragon would do. Midir still feels bigger in scale and his build up is very underrated, seeing him fly around outside and being protective of the city is so sick
@@Veloketh But Midir still feels the only dragon boss fight in the entire series. Kalameth had his wing broken and couldn't fly but simply elevate from the ground for a few seconds, Seath was a disabled dragon and didn't fly at all during the boss fight, Sihn did fly a bit but he was a fake Dragon, Ancient Dragon was a true dragon but didn't leave the ground, The Divine Dragon just stands on a rock and Elden Rings dragon's also barely fly, Bayle has his wings broken and can only fly during the second phase in two attacks. Whoever Midir has no "but", he is a massive true dragon that actually behaves like one both before and during the boss fight, and also has the most variety of moves, followed closely by Bayle. It is true that he misses some combos but it's justified from the Lore point the same way Bayle cannot fly at first because he has his wings broken as placidusax defeated him.
@@ChihiroOfAstora ah I get what you mean now. Still, we saw Kalameet and Sinh fly around in their domains as well and Midir only has one flying move, the only other time he uses his wings is when he jumps away to do one of his laser attacks (same as bayle’s jumps). Bayle doesn’t start with (functioning) wings but has three attacks in phase 2 where he flies (the long one that is also the phase transition, the laser/fire attack and the one where he flies up and comes crashing down). The only boss that flies around more (I think) is the demon prince in DS3
I never thought Fromsoft would outdo Midir, and I’m conflicted on whether they accomplished that with Bayle. He’s a real step up in mechanical complexity, aggression, and *brilliant* presentation - and Midir already sets a high bar on that front. But I really wish you could see Bayle as easily as Midir - even in this beautifully executed fight, the camera has to clip inside his skull a few times to keep up. I’ve also never felt like the first of his two laser sweeps is very intuitively telegraphed; with the camera pointed up at him it’s difficult to see the wall of flame headed your way and time your dodge accordingly. I had to just memorize the timing through trial and error. I also wish that his head was always a bit lower to the ground, though maybe that’s a skill issue on my part, albeit never a problem I had with Midir. But most of all, *why,* after dropping you in the middle of a GIGANTIC arena for Midir, would they stick you in a smaller arena for Bayle and open with him lunging at you while you’re right up against the wall? I wanna like Bayle better but these few nitpicks hold him back for me, leaving these two pretty neck and neck for best Fromsoft dragon.
@@gojiraguy200 his arena definitely could’ve been bigger. It’s not an issue when his AI works and he backs off or does his spin around move, but he will occasionally corner you which can happen with Midir too but it’s really rare bc of the huge size. Completely agree on the opening too, the lunging attack and the fire breath are a pain to deal with. I had it happen that I dodged the flames and seconds after that a tiny flame came back from behind me and knocked me over, probably reflected from the wall or a stone on the ground, like why. Out of all the bosses that got scripted openings (messmer, midra) it’s crazy that they let bayle open like that
Oh man I struggled against both of those legendary dragons, while I do prefer Bayle, Midir is also a really great boss, 2nd best dragon boss, & I don’t like Dragon bosses as much as other types of bosses. Also great showcase gameplay for both of them, man you can see just how much FromSoft have evolved, it’s actually crazy! ❤🎉
Going back makes you appreciate the newer and the older bosses, they improved on a lot but the older ones also laid the foundation for the fights we have today. Also facts, I still don’t think bayle and midir even have any competition at this point, excited what they will cook up in the future
I think if placi was in his prime he’d make this duo of peak into a trio but for me his big attacks just don’t make up for how tired and slow he moves, I know why he moves like that but it just makes him less cool to me especially when you look over and see Bayle hopping all over the place while midir charges/flies across his arena in seconds That being said, I think design/spectacle wise midir and placi are roughly equally awesome
placi‘s laser and storm cloud attacks are spectacular but I agree in terms of combat, it’s a letdown even tho the teleportation is a clever solution to his immobility. I despise the constant ground lightning strike attack tho, it’s incredibly tedious to avoid and just drags the fight
@@Veloketh oh yeah his spectacle is great, that’s why I consider him around midir’s level especially with how unique his moveset is, but with how slow he moves he has even less melee variety than midir Also yeah, the lightning attack should only be useable at rlly far range cuz up close it’s pretty boring/lame to dodge
OK I hope I don’t come off as Elden Ring Glazer, yes Consort Radahn isn’t as well designed as Gael or something like Messmer or Rellana, but I will lie to myself if I said Gael’s moveset is better than Consort, it is more balanced yes, but he’s very easy, Consort’s fight is one where you’ll constantly feel very pressured & can (at times) feel unpredictable, plus his phase 2 big attacks are very cool to avoid, the clone attacks look so cool too, his nuke attack is really epic. He has problems though don’t get me wrong. Also his OST is better IMO. Don’t kill me guys. 😭
Is insane how the camera can change everything. Midir is legit far, far more enjoyable thanks to player being able to see everything he does. Bayle, in the contrary, feels even more cinematic and I feel I could enjoy it more... If I could see what is going on!
If you stay as his head the full fight, you will barely have any camera issues. A mistake I saw so many streamers and youtubers making was they kept focusing on his legs because they were so used to doing that with other dragons. However, bayle holds his head at the ground just like midir. Though bayle does sometimes lift his head for a moment right at the end of his combos to mess your timing up
@@christiantarnoski1231 both fights require you to move accordingly to avoid camera issues but Midir is a lot less demanding, you can just walk backwards for most of his moves. Even if you do that with bayle you will get an occasional spin from him like when he jumps over you for a flame breath follow up or you will land under him for a moment when he does the jump attack. It’s still far from bad imo!
@@Damtg77 I feel like Elden ring doesn’t have dragon fights that really encourage hitting the head before bayle, so for an ER only player it might be counter intuitive. However I also saw some self proclaimed DS3 veterans do the exact same while also knowing about Midir‘s mechanics and that just makes me lose my marbles lmao
They’re both really good but I do think Bayles is superior simply because of mixing and sound quality. I mean they hired an entire Orchestra to do the music for Elden Ring that’s gotta make a difference. However Bayles soundtrack just like the boss clearly builds on Midir essentially being a more insane version. So I don’t want to compare them against each other actually They’re both stages in an evolution and I’m so excited to see what comes next! 😃
Rip my immersion 😔 lmao I had a free spot and figured I’d get some more damage bc my astora greatsword only tickles midir on ng+4. it’s also a way to show u didn’t get hit in no hud mode
Looking back at it, Midir just doing his 15 second charge combo twice in a row in his 2nd phase is just lame and unnecessary, like they ran out of moves to give him
@@VelokethI noticed as well while watching your fight with Midir that there were straight up 20-30 second stretches where you were simply watching or chasing him before you could even land a hit Whereas with Bayle, he’s constantly in your face and demands more inputs from you, he’s really just more consistently engaging
@@threemeters1425 you’re right. there’s definitely ways to minmax midir and create more openings to get more hits in but bayle really demands your constant attention
Midir is more peak in my opinion because I love his arena design and his overall character design, But most importantly the soundtrack, I am a die hard fan for opera and midir's track kilt it. Bayle is also great but in my opinion I like midir the most
Valid, I don’t think there’s a wrong choice between the two, it’s just personal preference. Midir‘s OST is great bc it starts with this dance like melody and then goes into this orchestral avalanche style that yuka kitamura does so well. I like bayle’s theme for different reasons, it’s less melodic and more snappy and aggro with this bombastic escalation in phase 2 that make for really cool syncs with his attacks
@@velhokala8456 it’s not my favorite but whenever think of Midir that phase 1 melody instantly comes to mind and it feels great to listen to while fighting him. I’m a bit split on this, there’s certainly similar sounding tracks, the most insane example imo isn’t even in DS3 alone but the OST for lady maria and the twin princes which have basically the same chorus I believe. However ds3 still gave me some of my all time favorite tracks (spear of the church, yhorm, twin princes,…) and I can tell most of them apart pretty well on a blind listen. I wish the music was recorded like BB and ER tho and in general I prefer the variety of composers like shoi miyazawa for future games
Not only is Midir more enjoyable. But he is also harder. We live in a world of guides. Everyone know about Gwyn Parry and everyone knows about head punching Midir. However Midir is a MENACE who only takes descent damage from the head. So it was a super hard fight as a Sunbro cause hosts would eat all the fire going for the legs. Meanwhile BAYLE has a regular damage body and EVEN A WEAK SPOT ON THE LEFT LEG! So as a “let me solo player” BAYLE has been giving me a lot more successful cooperation runs and all around is a super fun fight as a “raid boss”. While Midir was built for that 10/10 1v1 fight!
@@dylanmuir3229 actually… WHO KNOWS! The scadu level up was a mistake. You could play with low and see a 1 shot machine with the HP of a tank. Or could have most scadu and fight A BABY! It’s not 🧢 when the baseline is messsed up. At least on Sekiro the difference between missing a power up like the Ape duo was MINIMAL compared to this.
@@josetomascamposrobledano4618 on a fundamental level Bayle is harder, there are far less openings to attack the head, his combos are longer and more varied, his laser attacks are harder to dodge and he has more volatile AOEs.
What? Midir harder?? How??? Do you see in the video how he effortlessly avoids that mega combo by just walking backwards and gets a big opening for free? How that hard? Bayle is actually way better at killing you: He has Mega combos, little openings and hits VERY hard + Every other Attack is a NUKE! I think it just boiled down to you having improved at fighting dragons since Midir. I got pretty good fighting dragons Head on in Elden Ring so Midir was a cake walk: Third try. Just because people back in the day where too stupid to fight a dragon at the head doesn’t mean he’s hard cause he isn’t when you do. Some people still won’t hit a dragons head even though you can even see how it’s done in the ER trailer. The reason I can imagine you found Bayle easy is cause Elden Ring just gives you so many more ways to deal with everything. Bro If you’re Scadu 20, use a weapon that literally does about double damage to Bayle and an overpowered drake Warrior who break his stance on his own Yes then it might be an easier time than inexperienced you trying to hit Midirs legs 5 years ago. This however does not make him an easier boss, it just means you have grown and that’s great! But Bayle absolutely has the more dangerous moveset and at least for me He’s the most Badass, hardest and Best dragon fights in any game EVER!
Is it just me or is Midir's fight much better than facing him multiple times? I helped a lot of people with Bayle, and even though I know his move set, I have no desire to face him again. To this day I'm still looking for the one that has difficulty in Midir, and that I played on PS4, because I never get tired of the fight.
It is the opposite for me. Midir became less enjoyable over time, whereas for bayle, I can't get enough of him. I'm just not fond of all the running around you have to do in midir's fight as he does some of his longer combos. Both are still S tier bosses though
![[THE ULTIMATE COMPARISON] Bayle vs midir vs PLACIDUSAX who is the greatest?](/img/1.gif)
These two easily make my top 10 favorite videogame bosses.
definitely deserved
top 5
@@aidanvallee1458 I have to agree. I think they might actually both be top 5.
What are your top 10 then? Just curious what else made the list
@@samuelbravo1946 just the fromsoft games? Or other soulslikes included?
you know you're in trouble if a half-dead dragon fights you and then explodes out of nowhere and somehow gets stronger
@@suspicious_spy you know you’re in trouble when the boss starts growing wings out of pure hatred for you
Part of the reason that i love Bayle more is that his attacks are more unique to a dragon, they feel more engaging imo.
@@TheLastGame666 same, also whoever came up with the idea of bayle compensating his missing leg with his tail and setting his exposed bone ablaze is a genius, that’s such a unique design choice
Midir walked so Bayle could fly.
Midir laser is better tho
@@dev4159incorrect
@@reecejones2994 im certainly correct
@@dev4159 midirs lazer is cool but I prefer Bayles dirty, messy and rageful lazer. It's kinda like Kylo Ren's lightsaber, just raw power/rage and no finesse
God, these two are the best dragon fights from has ever created imo. I like Bayle more than Midir but god Midir is still such a good fight. Also the music timing with the attack at 12:56 was so epic.
@@calebfouts7118 exactly how I feel, no other dragon fight really compares to the two imo. Also yeah I love when bayle does that, his OST and attacks seem to be made for these crazy syncs
I still like placi than the 2 because of his Lazer and his nuke. But yea, I respect your opinions since there is someone like ancient dragon from ds2 who is hot garbage lmfao.
@@hahahahahah4759 oh nice, I personally don’t find placi that fun to fight nowadays but his two headed lasers are surely a spectacle. Also I didn’t even find ancient dragon to be the worst dragon in DS2, I was lucky to get it on first try (and only got hit once) bc I knew it’s a hit and run fight. But man that mandatory red dragon in the cage in Aldia‘s keep that constantly flies away is my nemesis, one of my most hated bosses ever lmao (also the dragon in Heide‘s tower)
@@Veloketh All good! The hitbox of the ancient dragons fire breath is the reason for why it was so bullshit and also his abnormal health too.
Seeing that final midir laser always makes me want to curl into a ball and scream because WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING
LMAOO
omgg, both have a certain resemblance to moving on to the second phase, well played !! (whe fight against midir was perfect btw)
@@nomunboii ey thanks! Yes Bayle’s transition felt like a nice little nod to Midir while still being completely different aesthetically
-You're fighting an ageless dragon corrupted by darkness
-Latin lyrics come up and he starts breathing out lasers...
It took me this long to realise that just as Bayle first does his laser both times it makes a circle shockwave around his face; his laser literally breaks the sound barrier
12:28 through 12:37 is legit the hardest thing I’ve ever seen in my life.
@@The-T_Bomba bro just summoned a nuke from the heavens
@@Veloketh yeah that and the actual perfect sink with the ost just absolute 👌
You definitely gave us one hell of a show thanks for that Veloketh good job ❤
@@_iRBiS thank you that’s so sweet!!
Although i was forced to listen to Midir's theme for probably 30 to 40 times, it rocks.
@@Swarthy. lmao dying over and over is half as bad if the music slaps
6:58 I have faced Midir approximately 10 times and this is the first time I have seen this sequence of attacks from this boss. 😮😮😮
it’s like he’s too tired to move after his giga laser attack so he just throws ranged attacks at you
@@Veloketh It's like a third phase when it's very weak.
Both are s tier boss, and my favorite dragon is midir 💜🔥.
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Bayle feels like the more dynamic fight, imo. So much of Midir's attacks can be avoided by just walking backwards out of his range. Although with Bayle, if you don't know how to position yourself after dodging it can sometimes be hard to capitalize on the small windows to hit his head. Both are great fights though. I prefer the OST and arena of Bayle as well.
exactly how I feel about it. Bayle’s arena might actually be my favorite boss arena in fromsoft history, it’s gorgeous. I’ve been waiting for a setting like this since I saw mount gelmir for the first time, plus we got another iconic boss in a flower field
bayle sucks and with the rest of elden ring
@@Slave_KnightGaeldark souls 3 veterans when they realize spam roll is not a skill:
@@Slave_KnightGaelok buddy
@@Thew-The_W u were brain washed by miquella the femboy to 🥶
Bro, I came back to point out that the music in phase 2 is perfectly synced with Bayle's attacks. Damn, I've been wanting to see a dragon that fast, aggressive, and really want to kill me, there's an incredible weight to every hit and that sound of falling 11:10 just perfect. It's perfect, your video is perfect!
The only thing I regret is that Bayle doesn't have a unique attack on low HP like Midir and Placidusax, that's a big omission.
@@Artem-eu3uv yeah sometimes his music hits so hard it’s crazy. I kinda agree on the ultimate attack, however I understand that they probably didn’t wanna do the same thing again and tbf his overall moveset is already super epic and flashy. Very glad you enjoyed my vid, love to hear that!
@@Veloketh To be honest, I had a few ideas about this. He will have three explosions (like during the transition to the second phase) per fight. The first for 70% HP, the second for 40%, the third for 15%. Each subsequent explosion has a larger radius and damage. After the second explosion, Bayle loses half of his scales, which worsens his defense but significantly increases the power of his attacks. After the third explosion, there are two options: 1)Bayle does a nuke in the place of which a thunder spear appears (like Placidusax's nuke), after which Bayle takes off, flies two circles, feeding the spear with a laser, at the end he breaks the spear, causing a huge explosion. 2)Series of 12 precise pierce wing attacks with hardest timing.
Maybe this is a bad idea.
@@Artem-eu3uv sounds insane lmao. It should be an engaging attack to dodge imo, I like placidusax‘ nuke but just running away is kinda lame after the spectacle wears off. So for an explosion I think something like the scadutree avatar beams that come out and have to be dodged would be cool. Or imagine bayle created multiple groundwaves with the spear that you would have to jump or tightly roll (bit like rellana’s moons). I’m also still a huge sucker for big laser beam attacks even if it has done before lmao, so something like the attack from the demon prince from ds3 would be sick as well
Both of these fights are so awesome I still can’t tell which one is cooler
@@yungsun6253 it’s gonna be a debate for the ages
One is fire, the other shocking. =)
It's Bayle and you know it. You're hanging on to Midir out of politeness to your nostalgia.
@@lettucearsebiscuits8375i like midir better and i killed him after bayle so what does that mean 😮😮😮😮 guess im blinded by a non existent nostalgia 🫠
@@nikolaibelinski2062 A likely story.
Man, I can’t decide between each one they both so good
can’t go wrong here, both peak dragon fights
@@Veloketh I’m gonna have to say midir because it was the boss I struggled with more and ds3 was my first souls game
@@TheUnkindledTarnished fair, was my first souls game as well so the bosses will always have a special place for me. I think I died more to bayle tho
@@Veloketh I think I died to bayle more too but midirs fight is longer. He’s also the only boss that I’ve quit fighting and avoided on purpose
Imagine how many traumatizing flashbacks people felt first time fighting drakes(2:02), Placidusax(3:04) and Bayle(3:16)
Interesting how these two bosses are so different and also so alike. But the key I think is that Bayle is trying desperately to kill you to prove his superiority. While midir is literally in outrage by his curse. Even he attacking without precision shows it.
Its like, bayle is your oponent
midir is someone you're trying to help.(literally by the lore btw, which i think makes this boss fight the masterpiece it is)
Probably the coolest dragons in gaming. Midir's soundtrack has something that sensitizes me because it seems to me that it perfectly synchronizes with his artistic style/personality and that makes me prefer him just by a hair. It is heavy, dramatic and visceral. Also, Bayle's p2 transition is a work of art. Cinematic af
Btw, cool drip, man!🤜🤛
ey thanks, glad you enjoyed the fashion souls
Part of the reason I like Bayle so much more than Midir can be seen in this video alone. Midir disengages constantly and forces the player to spend so much time chasing him down for 1 attack to then disengage and do it again ad infinitum. When Bayle disengages, he immediately flings himself right back into your face, effectively negating any need to chase him because of his hyper aggression. And also thanks to that aggression it’s easier to stay in front of him, because he always repositions to face you. Midir feels like he’s just zoning you, which is fitting sure, but just not as fun to fight as Bayle’s in your face aggression, especially since most of the time Midir is fighting ghosts and occasionally firing in your direction.
Midir was elden beast before elden beast was something
Well i didnot really see much of a difference because when bayle disengages and then starts to attack he always do 3-6 combo attacks that you can not punish and he moves his head coñstantly(obviously because he has biting type attacks)
Plus bayles laser attacks never hit me once it is quite easy tododge idk why did they make it small
Wtf the problem with bayle is that you can fight him while staying behind him and hitting his tail like a p*ssy. Midir insta punishes you for staying under him or behind him
@@traktorholik that's lying
@@traktorholikYou’re thinking of Placidusax. Wrong dragon, right game.
Bayle so epic
I don't really summon NPC's for boss fights because it makes the boss stronger, but I gotta summon Igon for that epic dialogue, makes the fight against Bayle even better
They should nerf igon this fight becomes a joke with him
@@traktorholik why are you lying igon is very useless
@@traktorholik nerfed or not I only summon him for the dialogue
@@MohamednacerKhelifi he facetanks everything. I did bayle first try because of that bitch... thankfully I did a backup before the fight (btw he does not increase bayle's hp)
@@traktorholik it's very clear that you are lying because that never happened to anyone
One key words from these two dragon fights…
AGGRESSION
9:22 also it’s kinda sad Bayle tries to stand on his missing leg but tumbles for a second 😢
Yeah I almost feel bad for him but his crude like bone spear that comes out of his wing makes him look horrifying in a good way
3:16 and 10:03 looked so epic
I didn’t struggle with Midir as nearly as much as with Bayle but I still think I like Midir a tad more
Same here
05:49 Oh I was going to say, what a beautiful finish, but he apparently still had a lot of juice left, I keep forgetting how much health that abyssal bugger has
today is Dragon day I have decided, played some Dark Souls Prepare to Die early in the morning battling Black Dragon Kalameet and then in the afternoon finally managed to work up the courage to conclude some unfinished business with Mr. Dread himself
bloody hell that was an ordeal, got knocked around like a ragdoll and you would not believe how protective he can get over that last magic pixel of health on his bar...
flew off to do his fireball shower just as the climax of his themesong kicked in, providing you with that nice extra portion of anxiety, my poor Tarnished Character must feel like a War Veteran now...
so this video coming along today is such a nice coincidence
@@umukzusgelos4834 yeah he’s built like a steel factory, also my build wasn’t really polished to be as high dps as possible (I’m out of rebirths) and the fight was also in a NG+4 or higher cycle. Sounds like you had a blast today, you pretty much described the typical bayle experience right there haha. I love kalameet too, I hope I can replay DS1 again soon. Seems like the perfect day for me to post this video and for you to come across it
Ayyy, there we go!! First Souls Boss
@@FatBabyGoblin as requested!
Cant wait to see more! Gael is my favourite boss of all time
@@vb1125 can’t wait to fight gael and friede again! Ds3 was my first souls game so I’m glad people are still looking forward to these bosses even after 8 years
For me Bayle was the better boss fight but Midir is still my favorite Soulsborn Dragon design
I love Bayle because he is not a ancient dragon
@@bca1487 he hates them as much as the players do, most relatable dragon
First I was like, yeah bayle is the straight winner (cuz I haven't play dark souls) but after seeing midir fight i understand why people call it the best dragons boss fight . Now to me both are the winners . Only 1 thing is missing was igon, even after his shity DMG he is the soul of the fight , narrator, 40% of Adrenaline in that fight is from igon alone.
@@NikhilKumar-wf4gk lmao I was waiting for the first comment about Igon! I thought about summoning him but I wanted to show both in a 1v1 to compare them. I’m happy people still appreciate Midir that much even after fighting bayle first, just shows how timeless his fight is, he really deserves all the praises. Biggest winners are the players because we got another dragon on midirs level
0:16 Did putrecent knight copy this arena?
Yes
Yes
Yes and so did Midir. It's actually the cave you fight Gwyn in, in DS1
@thetoast9262 oh cool. That actually makes sense since the demon princes fight also takes place in DS1 Firelink Shrine
@@thetoast9262You fight Gwyn at the Kiln of the First Flame in DS1. The Ringed City-which is directly above Midir's arena is a completely different place.
If you buy into the idea that the Kilns in DS1 and DS3 are the same location, albeit displaced by time and space, this is another reason why it cannot be true because you literally have to pass by the Kiln in DS3 in order to get to the Ringed City in the first place.
Bayle phase 2 is goated. Add in the npc lore dialogue, epic fight.
Bayle - Best boss in the series imo
@@dawnweaver2529 based
Thank you
I love the fight with Midir! But the fight with Bayle I love it even more, and the thing is that Midir is limited in movements and they are very easy to learn, and Bayle constantly moves, flies and demonstrates new movements, plus as it seems to me the design Bayle much better developed, I'm very interested in how long the designers spent on his movements and design. And Midir is closer to the classic dragons.
Midir is better and more challenging than bayle
@@MohamednacerKhelifime when I lie:
Tell me than what makes bayle better@@Vengeance_I_m
@@MohamednacerKhelifithe fact that he has consistent punish windows, unlike Midir who runs away a lot. The fact that Bayle has much better visually appealing and engaging attacks, the fact that he's more ferocious and requires more skill, the fact that his OST is miles better, and the fact that he has much better lore and the best NPC (Igon) in Fromsoft history after Solaire
@@Vengeance_I_mmidir attacks animation are better than bayle
I love how good the flow of Bayle's fight is, and the fact that his head is almost always positioned right in front of you after his attacks so you can punish. I think midir is an S tier fight too, but the only thing I dislike about him is that some of his attacks last very long or move him away from the the player, forcing you to disengage for extended periods of time
true, you don’t really need to chase bayle down, he comes after you and keeps you engaged pretty much all the time. Even some of his easier to avoid attacks like the trail of lightning that follows you is spiced up by him breathing fire in the the direction you go in, trying to trap you or run into it. Feels like an actual intelligent creature
Midir kinda sluggish, Bayle is faster and more chaotic
Agree
at the time midir felt so fast lmao
@@Bill_9999even Sif and Artorias felt fast back in the day. It's just that the games are evolving and we're adapting and getting better. Imagine what kind of terrifying beasts await us in future games😅
@@Vengeance_I_mno fromsoft just make sekiro bosses in elden ring while you play dark souls 3
@@MohamednacerKhelifisorry I don't speak skill issue
To me in terms of spectacle or how cool a boss is, I think midir would potentially be a lot closer to Bayle in quality if he had 3 things
1) water splashes that actually highlighted how strong he is
Basically I think midir’s water splashes are way too small for what he’s doing, if they were larger and kept their shine it could’ve added a sense of beauty to a dragon that seems like it’s only trying to be badass while also highlighting his strength/scale
2) more unique moveset
Bayle can summon fireballs, do lightning nukes, bites, can headbutt, summon lightning, shoot fire breath, shoot a laser, punches you with an exposed arm bone, has a leaping slam, uses tail attacks, has 2 divebombs, a volcano eruption, summons lightning wings and leaps around during many of his attacks. Basically midir has barely any moveset variety compared to Bayle as all he can do is bite, scratch, tail whip, charge, shoot fire, summon humanities, shoot lasers and erupt with abyss
And they could’ve easily fixed this too as midir has literal blades on his wings
3) a more impactful phase transition
I love the galaxy like effects on midir in phase 2 but he only gains 3 moves when he phase changes plus his arena doesn’t change at all
Meanwhile Bayle gains several highly powerful/awesome attacks, also has a changed appearance, sets the whole arena on fire, becomes more aggressive/has better combos, adds more difficulty to the fight, and summons lightning with his punches
Even in ds3 itself gael changes the entire skybox in phs 2 and 3 so for midir I assume they just weren’t feeling as ambitious
In conclusion, as another comment said perfectly: midir walked so Bayle could fly
Edit: btw I do love midir but bayle is just…better, and btw side note but it’s also really strange to me that midir has a reflection in the water but his effects like the laser or humanities don’t
good points, I definitely think Midir could use more variety. I like how primal and angry his melee moves feel but him using his wings like swords would be a really cool addition. I gotta give it to bayle to, the rhythm is incredible and I like that he has combo branchings and cinematic attacks that require more activeness on the players side
Some of the stuff like the splashes and reflections might be due to lack of time or technical restraints. But yeah a change of atmosphere would be epic, especially given the abyss theme
@@Veloketh honestly pretty much everything you stated reflects the general consensus that Bayle is just upgraded midir, they used everything they could in what is essentially ds3 but with no restrictions and used that to make perfection, fixing all of midir’s errors by (I assume) using him as sort of a blueprint
Maybe one day if ds3 gets remade midir will get closer to Bayle (also the abyss rising from the water in phs 2 would’ve been sick)
I love both but Midir still the best dragon boss fight in the series; still. The only one you actually feel like you are fighting an actual dragon.
Midir > Bayle
@@ChihiroOfAstora I think they both accomplish that feeling very well with bayle being a bit more engaging and reactive to your positioning, mixing stuff up to throw you off like a cunning dragon would do. Midir still feels bigger in scale and his build up is very underrated, seeing him fly around outside and being protective of the city is so sick
@@Veloketh But Midir still feels the only dragon boss fight in the entire series. Kalameth had his wing broken and couldn't fly but simply elevate from the ground for a few seconds, Seath was a disabled dragon and didn't fly at all during the boss fight, Sihn did fly a bit but he was a fake Dragon, Ancient Dragon was a true dragon but didn't leave the ground, The Divine Dragon just stands on a rock and Elden Rings dragon's also barely fly, Bayle has his wings broken and can only fly during the second phase in two attacks. Whoever Midir has no "but", he is a massive true dragon that actually behaves like one both before and during the boss fight, and also has the most variety of moves, followed closely by Bayle. It is true that he misses some combos but it's justified from the Lore point the same way Bayle cannot fly at first because he has his wings broken as placidusax defeated him.
@@ChihiroOfAstora ah I get what you mean now. Still, we saw Kalameet and Sinh fly around in their domains as well and Midir only has one flying move, the only other time he uses his wings is when he jumps away to do one of his laser attacks (same as bayle’s jumps). Bayle doesn’t start with (functioning) wings but has three attacks in phase 2 where he flies (the long one that is also the phase transition, the laser/fire attack and the one where he flies up and comes crashing down). The only boss that flies around more (I think) is the demon prince in DS3
I never thought Fromsoft would outdo Midir, and I’m conflicted on whether they accomplished that with Bayle. He’s a real step up in mechanical complexity, aggression, and *brilliant* presentation - and Midir already sets a high bar on that front. But I really wish you could see Bayle as easily as Midir - even in this beautifully executed fight, the camera has to clip inside his skull a few times to keep up. I’ve also never felt like the first of his two laser sweeps is very intuitively telegraphed; with the camera pointed up at him it’s difficult to see the wall of flame headed your way and time your dodge accordingly. I had to just memorize the timing through trial and error. I also wish that his head was always a bit lower to the ground, though maybe that’s a skill issue on my part, albeit never a problem I had with Midir. But most of all, *why,* after dropping you in the middle of a GIGANTIC arena for Midir, would they stick you in a smaller arena for Bayle and open with him lunging at you while you’re right up against the wall? I wanna like Bayle better but these few nitpicks hold him back for me, leaving these two pretty neck and neck for best Fromsoft dragon.
@@gojiraguy200 his arena definitely could’ve been bigger. It’s not an issue when his AI works and he backs off or does his spin around move, but he will occasionally corner you which can happen with Midir too but it’s really rare bc of the huge size.
Completely agree on the opening too, the lunging attack and the fire breath are a pain to deal with. I had it happen that I dodged the flames and seconds after that a tiny flame came back from behind me and knocked me over, probably reflected from the wall or a stone on the ground, like why. Out of all the bosses that got scripted openings (messmer, midra) it’s crazy that they let bayle open like that
Midir is hitting the air way too ofter tbh, Bayle attacks on the other hand are more precise and engaging 👍
@@anyquestions852 true, midir misses a lot of attacks in melee if you just walk back constantly, bayle requires more
@anyquestions852 cuz they arent fighting midir correctly
Dark souls 3 veterans are very funny tell me what is the right way to fight midir@@Slave_KnightGael
Bayle should have had a after death attack ngl would have been a good suprise
Oh man I struggled against both of those legendary dragons, while I do prefer Bayle, Midir is also a really great boss, 2nd best dragon boss, & I don’t like Dragon bosses as much as other types of bosses.
Also great showcase gameplay for both of them, man you can see just how much FromSoft have evolved, it’s actually crazy! ❤🎉
Going back makes you appreciate the newer and the older bosses, they improved on a lot but the older ones also laid the foundation for the fights we have today. Also facts, I still don’t think bayle and midir even have any competition at this point, excited what they will cook up in the future
Let’s go🔥🖤‼️
@@y3nomspectuals eyyooo 🗣️🙌🏼
CURSE YOU, MIDIR!
Bayle is so much better boss, I'm amazed at what kind of upgrade he's to Midir, considering Midir is such a phenomenal boss
@@Vengeance_I_m it’s crazy how Miyazaki always got one more in him
Its a downgrade cause you can fight him just r1 mashing his tail
@@traktorholik you are lying right now
Camera in Elden ring just had to move more out man
Wait midir’s arena is loke the same as the putrescant knight there’s even drop too
@@piersa8704 yeah it is really similar, can’t believe Midir copied the Putrescent knight like that
Midir is king, i can’t see anything while fighting bayle.
Bayle the dreadhead
I think if placi was in his prime he’d make this duo of peak into a trio but for me his big attacks just don’t make up for how tired and slow he moves, I know why he moves like that but it just makes him less cool to me especially when you look over and see Bayle hopping all over the place while midir charges/flies across his arena in seconds
That being said, I think design/spectacle wise midir and placi are roughly equally awesome
placi‘s laser and storm cloud attacks are spectacular but I agree in terms of combat, it’s a letdown even tho the teleportation is a clever solution to his immobility. I despise the constant ground lightning strike attack tho, it’s incredibly tedious to avoid and just drags the fight
@@Veloketh oh yeah his spectacle is great, that’s why I consider him around midir’s level especially with how unique his moveset is, but with how slow he moves he has even less melee variety than midir
Also yeah, the lightning attack should only be useable at rlly far range cuz up close it’s pretty boring/lame to dodge
What gear did you use in the music fight, the build looks rlly cool!
@@Zwansje you mean midirs fight? It’s a quality build with astora greatsword and the dancer‘s armor plus painting guardian hood
@@Veloketh yeah, forgot to say for which fight 😅
I m a bit jealous of your looks in eldenring. Can you use this mod online, too?
@@Goku-zu3rk I don’t use any mods haha
@Veloketh what set is this then haha? Looks like sekiro.
@@Goku-zu3rk it’s the dryleaf armor set with the winged serpent helmet and the dragon hunter great katana
Also Everyone's agree that midir is so more imponent, his whole presence is just exquisite, like nothing else.
Gael vs Radahn?
@@nedgos1877 Starscourge or Consort?
@@Veloketh consort
@@nedgos1877💀
@@nedgos1877Messmer is a better match in terms of quality.
OK I hope I don’t come off as Elden Ring Glazer, yes Consort Radahn isn’t as well designed as Gael or something like Messmer or Rellana, but I will lie to myself if I said Gael’s moveset is better than Consort, it is more balanced yes, but he’s very easy, Consort’s fight is one where you’ll constantly feel very pressured & can (at times) feel unpredictable, plus his phase 2 big attacks are very cool to avoid, the clone attacks look so cool too, his nuke attack is really epic. He has problems though don’t get me wrong. Also his OST is better IMO.
Don’t kill me guys. 😭
I wish we could ride Midir :(
I'm tired of killing dragons. Not gonna buy other souls if they repeat this feature
A friendly dragon npc would be really cool, but I also love fromsoft’s dragon bosses so hopefully we get both
Is insane how the camera can change everything. Midir is legit far, far more enjoyable thanks to player being able to see everything he does. Bayle, in the contrary, feels even more cinematic and I feel I could enjoy it more... If I could see what is going on!
If you stay as his head the full fight, you will barely have any camera issues. A mistake I saw so many streamers and youtubers making was they kept focusing on his legs because they were so used to doing that with other dragons. However, bayle holds his head at the ground just like midir. Though bayle does sometimes lift his head for a moment right at the end of his combos to mess your timing up
@@christiantarnoski1231 both fights require you to move accordingly to avoid camera issues but Midir is a lot less demanding, you can just walk backwards for most of his moves. Even if you do that with bayle you will get an occasional spin from him like when he jumps over you for a flame breath follow up or you will land under him for a moment when he does the jump attack. It’s still far from bad imo!
@@Damtg77 I feel like Elden ring doesn’t have dragon fights that really encourage hitting the head before bayle, so for an ER only player it might be counter intuitive. However I also saw some self proclaimed DS3 veterans do the exact same while also knowing about Midir‘s mechanics and that just makes me lose my marbles lmao
You can see just fine as long as you roll/position yourself accordingly.
@Veloketh I mean all of the normal drakes are way easier when focusing the heads
The real question is not which is the better fight, but who has the better soundtrack
we dont pit two queens against each other (theyre both sooo good 🔥🔥)
They’re both really good but I do think Bayles is superior simply because of mixing and sound quality. I mean they hired an entire Orchestra to do the music for Elden Ring that’s gotta make a difference.
However Bayles soundtrack just like the boss clearly builds on Midir essentially being a more insane version. So I don’t want to compare them against each other actually They’re both stages in an evolution and I’m so excited to see what comes next! 😃
midir 🗣️🗣️🗣️(I like the opera team or whatever you call them)
personally midir for this aspect
Didn’t summon igon? That’s a crime
Feel free to curse me and riddle with holes my rotten hide
CURSEEEEEEEYYYY YOUUUUUUWWWWWW
BAYYYYYYLEEEEEEEEEEEHHHH😡😡😡
BLEEEEEEESEEEEEEED
BEEEEEEEEE
MIDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIR❤❤❤
Red glow is distracting, try without sword ring next time….. (joke)
Rip my immersion 😔 lmao I had a free spot and figured I’d get some more damage bc my astora greatsword only tickles midir on ng+4. it’s also a way to show u didn’t get hit in no hud mode
@@Velokethisn’t midir mega weak to thrust? Use the charged r2
@@rigorm136 he is and I did for some punishes but didn’t wanna rely on it too much without seeing my stamina
Why midir attack the air most of the time
Maybe he's not as good as people think 🤔
@@Vengeance_I_mhe is still better than bayle and most souls fans know that
Looking back at it, Midir just doing his 15 second charge combo twice in a row in his 2nd phase is just lame and unnecessary, like they ran out of moves to give him
I like how feral the attack is but yeah making him do it twice just creates a lot of down time running after and watching him
@@VelokethI noticed as well while watching your fight with Midir that there were straight up 20-30 second stretches where you were simply watching or chasing him before you could even land a hit
Whereas with Bayle, he’s constantly in your face and demands more inputs from you, he’s really just more consistently engaging
@@threemeters1425 you’re right. there’s definitely ways to minmax midir and create more openings to get more hits in but bayle really demands your constant attention
Yet Elden Beast gets all the unreasonable hate for running away, but people praise Midir. Hypocrisy
@@Vengeance_I_mmidir doesn't run away that much
Midir is more peak in my opinion because I love his arena design and his overall character design, But most importantly the soundtrack, I am a die hard fan for opera and midir's track kilt it.
Bayle is also great but in my opinion I like midir the most
Valid, I don’t think there’s a wrong choice between the two, it’s just personal preference. Midir‘s OST is great bc it starts with this dance like melody and then goes into this orchestral avalanche style that yuka kitamura does so well. I like bayle’s theme for different reasons, it’s less melodic and more snappy and aggro with this bombastic escalation in phase 2 that make for really cool syncs with his attacks
I'm surprised so many people like midirs ost so much, to me it's just kind of forgettable like most of the ds3 tracks. They are all so similiar.
@@velhokala8456 it’s not my favorite but whenever think of Midir that phase 1 melody instantly comes to mind and it feels great to listen to while fighting him. I’m a bit split on this, there’s certainly similar sounding tracks, the most insane example imo isn’t even in DS3 alone but the OST for lady maria and the twin princes which have basically the same chorus I believe. However ds3 still gave me some of my all time favorite tracks (spear of the church, yhorm, twin princes,…) and I can tell most of them apart pretty well on a blind listen. I wish the music was recorded like BB and ER tho and in general I prefer the variety of composers like shoi miyazawa for future games
Midir is better in every way possible
Bro you're such a troll😂
@@Vengeance_I_m 🤣
Midir is still mechanically stronger but Bayle is more fun and much more visually impressive. His OST is also perfect and his ferocity is unmatched.
If midir mechanically better how bayle is more fun
Imo Bayle is better boss mechanically, but I agree with you that his visuals and OST are vastly superior to Midir's
@@Vengeance_I_mtell me what makes bayle better he only spam slow aoes unlike midir
@@MohamednacerKhelifi Midir after spamming the same combo 3 times (you can dodge it by standing still):
@@MohamednacerKhelifiunlike Midir?!😂
Gael is the most overrated boss in souls series
Not only is Midir more enjoyable. But he is also harder.
We live in a world of guides. Everyone know about Gwyn Parry and everyone knows about head punching Midir.
However Midir is a MENACE who only takes descent damage from the head. So it was a super hard fight as a Sunbro cause hosts would eat all the fire going for the legs.
Meanwhile BAYLE has a regular damage body and EVEN A WEAK SPOT ON THE LEFT LEG!
So as a “let me solo player” BAYLE has been giving me a lot more successful cooperation runs and all around is a super fun fight as a “raid boss”. While Midir was built for that 10/10 1v1 fight!
Midir is not harder than Bayle stop the 🧢
@@dylanmuir3229 actually… WHO KNOWS!
The scadu level up was a mistake.
You could play with low and see a 1 shot machine with the HP of a tank.
Or could have most scadu and fight A BABY!
It’s not 🧢 when the baseline is messsed up. At least on Sekiro the difference between missing a power up like the Ape duo was MINIMAL compared to this.
@@josetomascamposrobledano4618 on a fundamental level Bayle is harder, there are far less openings to attack the head, his combos are longer and more varied, his laser attacks are harder to dodge and he has more volatile AOEs.
What? Midir harder?? How??? Do you see in the video how he effortlessly avoids that mega combo by just walking backwards and gets a big opening for free? How that hard? Bayle is actually way better at killing you: He has Mega combos, little openings and hits VERY hard + Every other Attack is a NUKE!
I think it just boiled down to you having improved at fighting dragons since Midir. I got pretty good fighting dragons Head on in Elden Ring so Midir was a cake walk: Third try.
Just because people back in the day where too stupid to fight a dragon at the head doesn’t mean he’s hard cause he isn’t when you do. Some people still won’t hit a dragons head even though you can even see how it’s done in the ER trailer.
The reason I can imagine you found Bayle easy is cause Elden Ring just gives you so many more ways to deal with everything. Bro If you’re Scadu 20, use a weapon that literally does about double damage to Bayle and an overpowered drake Warrior who break his stance on his own Yes then it might be an easier time than inexperienced you trying to hit Midirs legs 5 years ago. This however does not make him an easier boss, it just means you have grown and that’s great! But Bayle absolutely has the more dangerous moveset and at least for me He’s the most Badass, hardest and Best dragon fights in any game EVER!
@@schadowsshade7870💯🫡
Is it just me or is Midir's fight much better than facing him multiple times? I helped a lot of people with Bayle, and even though I know his move set, I have no desire to face him again.
To this day I'm still looking for the one that has difficulty in Midir, and that I played on PS4, because I never get tired of the fight.
It is the opposite for me. Midir became less enjoyable over time, whereas for bayle, I can't get enough of him. I'm just not fond of all the running around you have to do in midir's fight as he does some of his longer combos. Both are still S tier bosses though
@@malikhittam1440 and helping people, I also thought that, but that inspiration disappeared after a while
@@Follower_of_Havelyou can dodge all midir attacks by panic rolling
You didn't summon Igon which means you didn't really fight Bayle THE RIGHT WAY!
Stop being so bad and git gud...
@@woothradp.t.9381 damn you got me man, filthy casual detected (me) 😔 but also CUUUURSE YOUUUUU, WOOTHRAD PT!!!
@@Veloketh *dragon noises* and or REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
@@woothradp.t.9381 *grows wings*
The amount of elden ring glazers in the comments is disgusting
nice try Joseph Anderson