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Sikhs "don't see color?" Are Sikhs "COLORBLIND" or just denying anti-Blackness? | Why
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- Опубликовано: 6 янв 2024
- In the debut episode of AT THE INTERSECTION: a Black x Sikh podcast, Soorma x Smalls discuss why this project, BLACK x SIKH, is necessary despite EQUALITY being a core tenet of Sikhi.
Punjabi Sikhs swear they don't see our color. Despite staring at us when we enter any gurdwara, or following us around said gurdwaras assuming we're there to steal, or mansplaining the most basic fundamentals of Sikhi to us after discovering our existence, Sikhs swear they're colorblind and don't see our race//skin color.
Moreover, they expect us to accept their unwillingness to accept or even acknowledge our Blackness; expect us to believe our race + culture as Black americans, doesn't matter and has no bearing or impact on our practice of Sikhi or interaction w| the sangat.
Yea, no-our lived experience w| Sikhi [nearly 10 years each] says otherwise.
If equality//equity is the goal, we've got work to do-starting with the acknowledging the rampant anti-Blackness plaguing South Asians, something to which not even Punjabi Sikhs are immune.
Let's get into it, right here at....
...the intersection of culture x faith.
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Incredible video! I hadn't heard any Black Sikh perspectives before now, and I found it super interesting. I'm sorry that you face those challenges, but I hope that in calling attention to them, the wider Sikh community will become more accepting and understanding.
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Keep at this work, it’s really important to burst those bubbles. You’ll probably face equal amounts of pushback (from the bigoted) and encouragement from those who listen. But then again both of you know why you started this 🔥
I’m sorry that u guys experienced any discrimination. Our gurus teach us equal love!!!… I also feel ur A sikh because you want to connect with Waheguru, and ur focusing on the people. There is going to be some kind of separation because of the culture. It shouldn’t be I agree. Realistically it is but think beyond that. Its more and don’t let that get in the way of ur experience of bliss with waheguru ji.
I'm from the UK and its never heard of or even seen (different ethnicities visiting gudwara)..
Yes i agree that during langar they accommodate.
But excluding langar then there's no cohesion tolerance.
(For Example walk past any mosque and you'll see a whole range of people from all backgrounds ethnicities race etc embracing and United)..
The Sikh community needs to address this matter
Welcome my Sikh brothers!
Love the fact that there all walks of life who are either born into or choose to become a Sikh
Love you all ❤regardless of skin colour
God loves us all too and we are all made from God ❤
We are humans too and not perfect and so we are all work in progress
We try to abide by Sikh way of life but maybe it’s harder for some people than others
Thank you for sharing your experience. I believe you. I hear you. It happened. It’s unfair and quite frankly wrong that they are trying to make excuses or gaslight your LIVED experiences. If nothing else, let me tell you: I BELIEVE YOU.
I am not Sikh. (It’s not relevant but, I am female presenting Indian American Spiritual Hindu.) I stumbled across your instagram story and was intrigued. I have never heard of any non Punjabi Sikhs and wanted to learn more about this. Thank you sharing, educating and reminding all of us to treat each other with more kindness and grace than we do every day. This systematic racism is everywhere and we all need to do better.
So excited to see intersectionality being discussed about in Sikhi! I learned a ton from you sharing your experiences; hopefully I'll be able to use it in my own life and my journey as a Sikh.
Proud of you guys!
Guru Nanak met GOD. I’m so happy my black brothers are getting this info about the GURU
thanks for watching.
💯 your right but a lot of things have happened to why Guru ji's raw message has heen distorted. I disassociate Sikhi being a "religion" salute Family Gurfateh
its not a religion its a Dharma - path of righteousness. Can only perform the acts of truth if we ourselves go deep within to seek it by the teachings of The True Guru.
It’s a cultural thing not a sikhi thing but sad reality is a lot of Punjabi culture puts culture as high as the faith itself
yea, that's something we've noticed as well. :0/
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Nice, the thing is that Punjabi culture is more practiced than Sikhi itself and because Sikhs did not teach anyone about Sikhi, Sikhi sadly kinda got trapped in the realms of Punjab.
Many reasons why this happened but its nice to see the message of Guru Sahib is spreading.
thanks for watching, Ji! we've heard that same sentiment a few times now so you're not alone in your thinking! 🖤✊🏾
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Punjabi culture is stealing from hip hop I’m a fan of Tupac biggie and hip hop in general as a brown Sikh but for sure Punjabi culture has taken inspiration from black American culture
what's your point? you seem to not understand the difference between sampling music + appropriating culture.
nobody has a problem w| artists sampling music. that's...art.
So sweet.
In his lecture on the Arab slave-trade in Africa, Dr. John Henrik Clarke said the European did to Christianity what the Arab did to Islam that is remove the spirituality and use the religion as a political tool. Dr. Clarke said the African has a spirituality that he brings to any religion and conceives of that religion in its purest form.
Black people across the three major religions all deal with the exact anti-black racism you describe. This is how we know that the primary issue for blacks globally is anti-black policy and propaganda. This is the issue to be confronted and solved.
I suspect the two of you are true Sikhs of the highest order.
wow. will definitely be looking into Dr. Clarke to check more of their work. thank you for sharing this!
how did you come across this lecture?
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Waheguru ji
First and foremost Fateh 🙏🏽
Please do forgive the ignorance of those whom you find in some Sikhi Darbar.
The issue of ones colour within scripture or Gurbani does not exist.
Now reasons why we may find prejudice within Darbar is because most of the worshippers within Gurdwara Sahib DO NOT understand the blessing of Sikhi.
Due to an amas of colonisation Sikhi was not allowed to spread and a lot of what we have today is a colonised version of Sikhi.
Satguru is Guru for the world NOT just for Panjab.
Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself was NOT of Panjabi descent. So until decolonisation of the Paniabi diaspora and the heads of our faith are NOT progressive in terms of not Just Panjab.
The British recreated Sikhi and lowered the spread so it wouldnt become widespread. One of the first things that the British and Brahmins done was Stop Sikhi People Preaching and spreading the word and scripture of Sikhi.
Not to take away from the Panjabis for they have sacrificed insurmountable heads to keep the faith alive.
Panjab is currently awashed with drugs and poverty so those you may see in the Darbar although in appearance maybe wearing a Turban they are NOT Dastaars.
They are learning or just practising from an incorrect standing. I think in some cases Plato’s cave analogy needs to be applied.
As more people are coming into Sikhi and have better understandings you can also be more than just students but become educated teachers of the Bani.
Remove the ceiling! For imagine having one who is Female and of West Indian or European Head of faith. We can do that now.
Until we keep those of Brahmanical or British mindsets in Turbans at the head of the SGPC those barriers will remain.
I love what you are doing!
May you always remain in Power and High Spirits. 🙏🏽
If I have caused any offence please forgive me🙏🏽
I hear you. Sikhs and potatoes are everywhere and comes in all shapes and sizes and colours and cultures . I just don’t agree to the generalisation . I saw a video where a black child saw a white guy for the first time and thought it was a ghost and cried. So if a Punjabi ( old to middle age especially ) see a black Sikh and stares , it’s not because they don’t like you but it’s new to them. I have yet to see a Chinese Sikh in real life ( only saw on screen)and I might stare for couple of seconds 😅 lol while my heart bursts with joy to see Chinese Gurus Sikh. Sikh has the same issues with Hindus where Hindus points some things out and says that it’s SAME ( sameness) without realising the definition of culture and religion. Hindu culture might have a lot of interceptions with Sikh culture but religion is a different story. Keep going. It’s gonna take time or maybe a whole generation before every one understands the difference between religion vs culture and equality vs sameness.
😳 OK welp. 😅 i can't read a wall of text w|o paragraph breaks. i've got a vision impairment that makes doing so nearly impossible.
i deal w| 90% of our social media, but i'll see if another BxS team member wants to read + respond to this comment! i'll let 'em know to come check it out. :0)
in the meantime, thank you for watching + thanks for the support! ✊🏾🫡
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To not acknowledge skin colour is to completely ignore who you are. I am sorry for the experiences you have had from other Sikhs my dear brother and sister. I know how this feels but not in regards to skin colour but more in regards to my caste.
Caste belief is forbidden in Sikhism but caste is integral to Punjabi culture and so it bleeds into the faith. People like Diljit Dosanjh and Jasmin Sandlas perpetuate caste belief through their music which is very unfortunate. If we cannot treat each other properly then it’s no wonder to me that when a black or white person joins the faith they experience some form of negativity.
Thank you for watching! Thanks for your support and adding your thought’s.
I agree wholeheartedly if there is still a cast issue to contend with, why wouldn’t there be a race issues to deconstruct as well.
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All the best ... Hope everyone is supportive
Sikhi is very pure, please don't be discouraged by our culture or the backwardness displayed by some of our people. Gurus word is pure. ❤Stay blessed.
Non Punjabi Sikhs are certainly way better than Sikhs from Punjab.
Gurfateh ji, please click on the link below to enjoy teaching of Gurbani with practical meanings
I can understand why you feel like that , but it’s not true.Toy are not understanding why Sikhs say when you take Amrit you are just a Sikh not a black Sikh or white Sikh.To understand that it will take lot of reading from guru’s bani and history.
how condescending of you to tell us what we do and don't understand. SMH
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Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru ji ki fateh, I am sorry you felt differently when you visited gurudwara but I would like to say that not every Sikh is on the same spiritual level.Guru granth sahib don’t discriminate in their teaching but people will understand gurubani differently depending on their spiritual level.i am Amritdhari Sikh myself by guru’s grace.Nowdays people think Sikhi is from the outside but what if your wearing a kirpan and have a open beard but your not humble, caring or your not down to earth.When you meditate on naam(Waheguru) things starts to change from inside, that’s where mine mine goes away and your your comes to mouth.I think that’s where one starts it’s path to sikhi. 🙏🏻😊
Sikh is sikh not black or any color....maam sikh is way of life ..
thanks for watching! :0)
I agree with what you both are saying. It is definitely a problem in the Sikh community and communities across the globe taking Black culture for there own benefit. I will say one thing about what the gentleman said about there’s no hoods in India, I would say go to slums out there there definitely is the same shit you see out here in America, if not WAY worse. Also, there are Punjabis here in Sacramento, Fresno, Bakersfield, and Stockton that grew up there whole life in the hoods. Don’t think you don’t see Desis in the hood, just like Asians, Samoans, Hispanics, etc. just sayin
Hello,
Thank you for watching. For added clarity: he wasn't talking about Indians (Desi-americans) in the hoods of the u.s. He specifically mentioned Indians in India.
While there may be "slums," or similar areas, there are not hoods in the way the artist was talking about. This isn't about economics or simply living in a poor area; it's cultural and the meaning + definition of hood in this sense is contextual.
By no means was he trying to discount the experiences of Indians who have similar economic experiences.
Hope this clears some things up. : )
Black 🐈 matters
Yeap, Punjabi culture is not Sikh culture. One can belong to Punjabi, black or American culture and also be a Sikh. And I agree everyone is equal but not same.
hello! thanks for watching! always good to hear that people understand the message. : )
BTW, we also capitalize the name of our culture (Black), the same way you capitalized yours (Punjabi), American, and Sikh.
It Is Mixing OF CULTURES SHOW PATIENCE
hi! thanks for watching + joing the conversation.
can you help us understand your comment better - what do you mean by "show patience?" can you elaborate?
The whole world will be Sikhs, united to give God a better day , everyday but we will always have boundaries as living things.
Everybody is the same but the attention and intention determins were they are in the sum of their being.
We are all expressions the same source. Treated equally but the symbolism of 3 sword and a ring is Automatic on the 5 K 's.
That determins the properties of the true self , the Sat Nam. Be your true self.
Dont speak for Guru like that in what he intended based on your interpretation. Guru made a Khalsa army to appear as one to fight an oppression.
When you say Sikhs you are generalizing all Sikhs. You are talking about few people who at the end of the day people with their imperfections. So to label all for a few is hypocritical. Also do more research on the meaning behind the turbans depending on the code of conduct for Amritdhari Sikhs is a little different. So if someone tells you something don’t get defensive, there is more to it so sister take your advise and be mindful yourself.
Thanks for watching and joint the conversation! :)
Mankind is one God created us all and He does not like Color creed gender and other differences and there is no I in Sikhism it is we all
Bro true Sikh never call anyone black Sikh or white Sikh... there are dark dark skin Sikhs in Punjab in Majha region....
I'm very very sorry to hear you have to go through this... this shouldn't happen....
I think lot of Supposed Sikhs are only half knowledge sikhs... Guru Nanak message is clear... no one should be judged on skin color or gender...
Thanks for watching! :)
If they are blind its a good thing.
As explained in the video, the concept of colorblindness in regards to race is disingenuous at best.
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Gurfateh brother/sister..... I am so sorry to hear what you have mentioned. We Desi sikhs are not perfect because we portray ourselves sikhs but we don't follow sikh principles.
Secondly, I think the stairing might have happened because they might have been feeling proud to see you.
Hey, I am so sorry again on the stupidity that hurt you guys.
Akal sahai.
why do y'all do this? why try to explain my own experience to me? i see their faces, i see them avoid me; it's not pride.
it's very dismissive of y'all to make excuses for their bad behavior, to downplay//diminish the harm caused to us. respectfully, it's not helpful; in fact, it just causes further harm by forcing me to relive the experience over again b|c it's like you're trying to gaslight me by telling me my experience is not real or that it was different than it actually was.
let me be as clear as i possibly can:
they do not stare out of pride. sometimes it's shock, sometimes disdain, sometimes concern, sometimes confusion. but i promise...it's not pride. especially if i speak, wave, say hello + they ignore me, make a face, or just look away w|o saying a word, or worse turn to the person sitting closest to them + whisper to each other while one continues to stare at me w| furrowed brows. that's not pride. that's not welcoming.
if you want to be helpful or make things better for Black Sikhs + non-Punjabi Sikhs, don't do this. don't make excuses or try to explain things away. instead, listen to what we're telling you + reflect on it. trust that we are more than capable of understanding our own experiences + don't need them explained to us.
accept the experiences as they are told to you instead of diminishing them or insinuating the person doesn't know or understand their own reality//lived experience.
please. we hear this almost every day. imagine if every other day, strangers told you that you never actully experienced what you say have experienced. 🥵😣
how would it make you feel?
@@BLACKxSIKHyeah u just spoke a whole lot of nothing LOLLL thesr Americans are mad uncultured could never be like us in the UK there are black sikhs here who aint chatting nonsense like u.
Staring is normal in other parts of the world i could go a whole next country and get stared down hard just like i did when i went Spain with all my brown friends. Smh
@@BLACKxSIKHyeah u just spoke a whole lot of nothing LOLLL thesr Americans are mad uncultured could never be like us in the UK there are black sikhs here who aint chatting nonsense like u.
Staring is normal in other parts of the world i could go a whole next country and get stared down hard just like i did when i went India and im punjabi sikh but born and raised London so they saw i was not from there, ur taking it wayyy to personally bro relax urself
They stair you becuz they happy to see you there ...they are shock thats true but they happy .lfor you ...
thanks for watching! :0)
First and foremost Fateh 🙏🏽
Please do forgive the ignorance of those whom you find in some Sikhi Darbar.
The issue of ones colour within scripture or Gurbani does not exist.
Now reasons why we may find prejudice within Darbar is because most of the worshippers within Gurdwara Sahib DO NOT understand the blessing of Sikhi.
Due to an amas of colonisation Sikhi was not allowed to spread and a lot of what we have today is a colonised version of Sikhi. Satguru is Guru for the world NOT just for Panjab. Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself was NOT of Panjabi descent. So until decolonisation of the Paniabi diaspora and the heads of our faith are NOT progressive in terms of not Just Panjab. The British recreated Sikhi and lowered the spread so it wouldnt become widespread. One of the first things that the British and Brahmins done was Stop Sikhi People Preaching and spreading the word and scripture of Sikhi. Not to take away from the Panjabis for they have sacrificed insurmountable heads to keep the faith alive. Panjab is currently awashed with drugs and poverty so those you may see in the Darbar although in appearance maybe wearing a Turban they are NOT Dastaars. They are learning or just practising from an incorrect standing. I think in some cases Plato’s cave analogy needs to be applied. But as more people are coming into Sikhi and have better understandings you can also be more than just students but become learned teachers of the Bani. Remove the ceiling! For imagine having one who is Female and of West Indian or European Head of faith. We can do that now. Until we keep those of Brahmanical or British mindsets in Turbans at the head of the SGPC those barriers will remain.
I love what you are doing! May you always remain in Power and High Spirits. 🙏🏽 If I have caused any offence please forgive me
hey, there! thanks for your comment. can you edit it + add paragraph breaks or break up this text somehow so that i can read it?