I Finally Cured Bass Neck Dive -- Gotoh Res-O-Lite Tuners
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- Опубликовано: 29 мар 2022
- I used the Gotoh GB350 Res-O-Lite Compact Bass Tuning Machines Tuners and they were light enough to do the job! The original tuners weighed in at 348g and the Res-O-Lites were 152g. Less than half the weight! If you want to see how they would work on your bass (without buying the set), I would say take the two tuners furthest away from the body off (furthest away would help compensate a little for the "less than half the weight" issue). If that fixes your neck dive, then buy these!!
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you went into the detail of the question and found a great solution, for an excellent result!!!!
Thank you!!
Yeah it's that constant desire for the vintage look that keeps companies tossing known neck divers on the market!
Hi..... I enjoyed every thing in your video, the way you took your time to weight the tuners, and 200 grams represents lots of weight.
I face the same situation with one of my basses, and for this reason I never use it, I used it only once since 1991, I played in Miami at the same year, and then a few times around my house by myself… These days, because I am staying in Brazil, I fear taking the bass with me, I need to consider places I have been playing in the past 12 years, very expensive bass to run the risk of someone stealing it from me, it is an Alembic.
A little bit of its story. When I purchased it, I was at Ace Music in Miami at the end of 1990. From there and by phone I spoke with the Big Boss at the Alembic in California. I only had access to Alembics by catalog, very difficult to find a person with an Alembic, thus I could hold in my hands, see things, features, wood, ask questions, etc.
I always used basses with 34” scales in general, and the Stanley Clarke model was 30.75” and they don’t make this one with 34”, the body is too small to control the weight of the neck…. and I thought that 30.75” to be very small (Big mistake), then I asked if not building with 34”, nor 30.75”, if is there a possibility to have done with 32”? He said it was ok and this 32” should fit very well and should have no problems.
About 7 to 8 months later, I received a call to be at Ace Music to get my bass, lots of people in the store went crazy about the bass, lots of those musicians never had a chance to be so close to an Alembic, see the work of art.
Upon arriving at my house, I realized that I had a problem, a neck dive. I bought a very wide strap, which I used only one time with this bass, kept this strap amongst my things and coincidentally after 32 years, I used it again last week in a rehearsal with a band here in Brazil playing with a 66 Fender Jazz Bass.
I always thought about lightweight tuners, and I saw your video, and decided to read postings on Alembic website as well, and I found out people who did the exchange, from original tuners to lightweight in their Alembics, they achieved results. Your video just proved to me, it can be done.
So, I am thinking about replacing the tuners as my first step (I found out I could remove the logo and insert it in the new lightweight tuner to keep as original, by replacing the cleaner cap, and as said by the guys in the Alembic website blog, it is an easy task to do.
Another thing I am thinking I will do, as a second step if the first one is not 100% ok, is relocate the strap button, the one located in front and near the waist, because the Stanley Clarke model has no long horn as your bass or other models and the location of the strap is in the body at the end of the neck (meaning its position, because this model is a neck-thru), then the idea is to drill another hole half inch or one inch to the left to help balance the neck.
This bass has that system with LEDs on the dots, those markings which help playing in the dark. To have this system functioning, it needs 4 batteries of 9v, bringing some small weight to the body, and this also will help to improve the neck diving situation, I believe.
I will visit some Luthiers around my area first to order the tuners and to do the relocation of the strap button, if there are no results I will contact the major ones I know in Rio de Janeiro (Bass builder, woodguitars), otherwise I'll wait until my next trip to Florida and over there things work fine with me, I’ll be then in my territory.
So, this is my Alembic story. Sorry for taking your time to read all this (LOL). Thanks for a nice topic in your channel.
Regards,
Joe Silva (Staying in Brazil, at the city of Vila Velha, State of Espirito Santo)
Great story, but too bad about the neck dive. John Paul Jones had an Alembic and I always thought the tone was incredible. I hope you get the issue sorted out and can play your Alembic more!!! Keep us updated!!! :-)
@@JoeHartRocks Hi Joe..... Thanks for writing to me....
See, I could have fixed this problem with my Alembic a long time ago, while in the US, much easier to do things over there, I am Brazil today due to family matters and got stuck in here, and here is very complicated to get materials and people knowledgeable with this subject, most of the people never had a chance to see or touch an Alembic, and no one cares much about the lightweight tuners, many people don't even know the existence of such tuners.
The only reason I didn’t do anything by replacing the tuning pegs before, was caused by the fear of creating damages, not having lots of data to back me up, information just like yours now, and also the Alembic Basses owners talking openly about this matter, and in recent months I was able to scoop this information out of Alembic blogs and then I realized it could be done, not affecting the bass appearance, even though I realized the Letter A on top of each machine/tuner could be removed from the original bass and placed on the same place at the new tuning peg.
Soon I will be working on this issue. I know a person who makes basses and guitars, then founding a company in Brazil with his instruments, custom made, and he has the knowledge, he is not a guy who opened a shop and says he is a Luthier, this guy takes his instruments to participate in expositions throughout the world, NAMM is one of them, competing with Alembic, Smith and etc in the same level. His company name is Woodguitars, great instruments… and I believe this is the guy I can trust taking my bass, so he could fix it, and I believe he has more ways to get the tuners than I, not only import the tuners, but import the correct ones. In a few days I will call him to schedule a visit, or maybe wait until I have all my finances in order to do it ….. even though he is located about 400 miles from where I am staying right now. He is in the mountain region of Rio de Janeiro.
It was a pleasure receiving a comment from you, thanks for writing, and I will keep you posted for new developments.
Joe, Brazil
@@acordesverdes Yes, please report back! I hope it all works out for you. It's not a difficult swap. 🙂
I did this and liked the result enough that I did it on 2 more of my basses!
Yes!! A bit pricey, but a great option to lighten the headstock of a neck diver. Or just lighten the overall weight of a bass.
I recently bought a Spector Euro that came with these same GOTOH tuners. The washer for the D string tuner began to vibrate. I attempted to tighten it and with a one turn it stripped. I removed the tuner peg and found that with the thickness of the Spector head, only 3 or so threads would grab when tightening the tuner nut onto the tuner peg. With the lightweight allow material it seems logical it stripped. I emailed Spector and await what they have to say about it. What was your experience with this Fender? How much of the threads did the nut screw onto? The Spector head is 17mm thick.
I haven't had a problem. Yet! Hopefully never!! I don't know how much of the threads are caught, but it seems to be working.
@@JoeHartRocks Spector did respond to me and said they stated they do not have an issues with the tuners and they sent me a new one. When installing it there are only still about 3 threads available to screw onto. I guess it is what it is. I just barely hand tightened it. It hasn't come loose in the last couple of months.
@@jayfoghino5392 fingers crossed!!!
lock-tite it if it ever comes loose
What are those green crumbs on your scale
Just little marks on the silver finish. It's an old kitchen scale that's been bounced around a lot.
Hahaha
Are they 3/8 or 1/2?
They are 14mm (9/16"). So, the 1/2" holes would work.