I reckon things are happening *precisely* the way they need to... Reckon you lot know that too 🙃 I suspect the voices of the few with control are about to be buried in an avalanche by those of us who don't...Which is an astounding majority.
A few years ago, Metallica had videos they uploaded on their own official channel being taken down for copyright infringement. That should tell a lot about how broken RUclips's copyright system is.
I suspect a push back system on copyright claim abuse seems risky to them. The current system probably exists to appease the major media companies. They would need a compelling reason to change that. The revenue loss would have to justify the risk of having to wage a potential IP lawsuit.
@@canhamducbet absolutly, but that doesnt change the fact that they SHOULD :). its clearly a hassle they dont like, but IMO they should be taking the responsebility for.. if there is no real discourse for the creators then youtube shouldnt have such a system, there are planty of other ways to ensure copyright fairly.. 3 strikes and your out is BS, especily since the same source can issue all 3 at the same time...
I mean, "should" is whatever. Google is a large capitalist and is going to be on the side of large capitalists, period. Why would they antagonize their business partners (which is who these companies are) in defense of video creators (who are, frankly, just free labor to them)?
"youtube should punish frivelous takedowns" A frivolous takedown in youtubes eyes is a takedown request by a nobody. if you don't have an influential law firm making the request for you then it's a frivolous takedown. the only solution is to stop using youtube. as long as you are using it then you agree to their rules no matter how much you complain.
It's the greedy record labels, lawyers, and copyright trolls - not us old people. Begrudgingly liked and agree with all points (except the title). NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! 😂
when i was your age we were fighting for the right to party. trying to get our mixtapes to our friends. now these zoomers are whining about tyrants being tyrants? since when in their lives has that not been true? remember kids being forced into bankruptcy for downloading metallica? why id say its only right and proper that life isnt fair and the tradition of oppression and fighting the olds remains alive and well for them to partake in. do they wish to deprive the next generation of the opportunity to fight the man? what will they have left to fight then? poverty? scoff.
Sounds good in theory, but it's not taylor swift and ava max aggressively taking down music. And they have lawyers and record labels. It's old bands like eagles and hendrix.
It's not about money for them, it's about control. Something that faded away for them a long time ago musically. I don't see the problem though. Just don't pay attention to Eagles music. Let them take it into their graves with them. There's plenty of music to promote without these problems.
@@alexschuster1618 they aren't going to be forgotten with songs like Hotel California regardless of their behaviour, they are probably just being jerks for the thrill of it
@@holliswilliams8426 Yes they will if new consumers cannot be made aware. And they only have one Hotel California not songs like it. When is the last time you purchased an Eagles album? 😃
They never had to deal with this when they were playing in cover bands, because each performance isn't in an easily searchable database. How many bands got their start playing cover songs at the local bar? Imagine the music scene if the beatles had a way to stop people from covering their music.
The Beatles WERE a cover band, before they became "The Beatles". They were great because they had a vast repertoire and mass exposure to the works of others.
I talked to Paul O'Neill back in the late 90s about doing Savatage covers and how all that stuff worked. His take was that playing cover live, for profit, was OK, as bands had been doing that for decades. It's when those covers are recorded and those recordings are sold, that's when things get into legal territory. Look at Weird Al. Legally, he can parody any song he wants to without permission from the artist or record company. It's just been his thing to ask permission, because that's how he rolls.
Thank you for the truthful (and comedic!) coverage that really shed light on why topics like this are so important for us all. I am not happy with how this should ever happen at all, and it sucks to see people we love having their careers and passions in jeopardy for sometimes using as much as only 10 seconds of a song that is prohibited by older bands. As Charles said, no one wins: The content creators don't get to make the content they enjoy, and it puts a sour taste in us towards those bands that are suppose to leave a positive legacy. Cheers Bradley.
One of the biggest issues in this whole problem is that youtube has no incentive to fix their copyright system, as it keeps the big companies that pay advertising revenue happy, which is pretty much all they care about
There is nothing to fix, as content uploaders agree to Terms and Conditions when they create their channel and/or upload copyrighted content. Google it.
i have discovered a bunch of new to me bands because of videos by you, nik nocturnal, jared dines, tank the tech, and others. i’m one of those that said “oh these guys are cool” and went and bought music, merch, and concert tickets from those bands. the guys who keep issuing these strikes need to realize they’re missing out on a lot of money they don’t even have to work for 🤦🏼♀️
Spot on. So many people refuse to acknowledge or accept how things have changed. They dismiss RUclipsrs as not real musicians or creators. You've seen it in the comments when Guitar World posts about you. The world has changed. The music industry has changed. The way we consume music has changed. And not just music. TV and movies and all media. But these companies and artists that are stuck in the past are desperate to hang onto the old ways. They just don't get that this is actually beneficial to them. Completely lost touch and just not with the times. On top of that, Don Henley is apparently one of the biggest a-holes on the planet. And a Hotel California cover of any sort is pretty much guaranteed to get nailed.
I'll play devil's advocate here and point out that whether this sort of thing is "beneficial" to the copyright owner isn't for you to decide. Maybe the copyright owner doesn't want people butchering music they wrote and profiting from it. Both sides of the argument are valid, but I think I'm more sympathetic to copyright holders. RUclips is full of entitled little brats who seem to think everything exists for them to exploit, then throw a tantrum when they find out they're wrong. 😄 So obnoxious.
If every guitar channel went down overnight it would be a good thing. RUclips guitar channels have made guitar really uncool. One of the biggest reasons for that is the ego's of the youtubers. If they shut up and just played it would be better.
Yes, if you cover the Eagles on You Tube, get ready for a take down. But you don't get to decide what is beneficial for someone who created a piece of art. In this case, for example, Charles is a very popular. He has what, a million and a half subscribers? Say he recorded his version of Hotel California and paid the copyright fees and all that then put it on a streaming service. If it got downloaded 100,000 times -- he could point his subscribed to it instead of just posing it on YT -- the Eagles would make about $9,000. These things have actual, real world value. I agree that the music industry is once again -- I'm apparently an old person because I've seen this movie at least three times before -- cassettes, CDs, and digital. But just pouting and saying someone doesn't have the right to protect what they created in any legal way they want to is a bunch of ignorant, entitled nonsense.
@@jessmore9870 These punks need a good hard lesson in humility. I'm glad this happened, I'm glad people are so flustered about it, and I hope it keeps happening. Write your own fucking music and quit shamelessly riding the coattails of people who came before you
I think its great that people don't need a record label, and they can just send out creativity at their own leisure, however, money is definitely an issue. Streaming is different from buying a record, because, of course, you don't need to pay for it.
I gotta’ admit though, people buying music because the music was good, does have a kind of old-fashioned charm to it, because it’s bloody ridiculous the extremes people are going to make themselves “relatable” or “Fu*%able” in order to simply get views, and the sad thing is a lot of these people are actually talented enough that they shouldn’t have to do any of that stuff.
I used to think shifting the power away from record label gatekeepers was a good thing too, but as time has gone on, it's turned out that no power also means no money. The fact that people don't buy music anymore, in any form, has effectively relegated music to a 100% hobby for 99.9% of musicians. And now labels and venues are also starting to take a cut of merch, which means touring is going to also be happening at a loss for musicians going forward. Sure, any Tom, Dick or Mary can put their music on the internet now and have an equally (albeit nearly non-existent) chance of being heard by anyone because there's such a glut and no gatekeepers, but it has more or less killed the music business as a business for all but a very small sliver of high-earning types like Metallica or Taylor. I frankly think the old system was better at this point. Not only were the options for listeners not as overwhelming, but the musicians who were able to break through could at least make a living selling their music because those listeners would have to pay for it to access it. And before you point out that there are plenty of "creators" making money from channels like this one, and that they are technically a part of the music business (all true), it's still not musicians making a living from the sale of their own music. Channels like this are people making money by talking about music, which is great, obviously I'm here watching them, but it's not getting musicians directly paid for their creations. Last thought: I'm of course a musician. I'm a writer. I am not a salesman, a huckster, a jump-up-and-down performer. I'm a guitar player and singer who writes music. That's what I'm good at, and I think there was real value to a system that allowed musicians to just create while other people (usually from labels) took care of that other stuff. Because being a musician doesn't automatically come with those other skill sets, nor should it be required to.
This ! I totally agree brother! Oversaturated market of free content. A market much much more difficult to break out on too. Digital sales are terrible for making money. Movies for example. I think it was Matt Damon who was talking about how if a movie didn't do great at the Box office, but well enough , the sales from the physical DVDs would more than make up for the Box Office loss. Same thing for music. Now people can just buy the song as a single, or they can listen to it on Spotify (where the artist gets peanuts for it), or for free on RUclips. How many of these artists on RUclips are touring? (The real money maker) not many because touring takes a lot of logistical nightmares, that the traditional record label took care of. So the artist must rely on a huge RUclips audience. Ok, but.... Are the people there to listen to their original music or there to listen to them cover songs and talk about various musical topics? Like you said, their original music is probably a fraction of a fraction of the money they generate. In short... I have come to the conclusion that the internet although amazing in educational material and connecting people across the world , it's a net negative on society too. Now instead of 1 out of 500 thousand people having a chance to sign a major record label, or being discovered at a cool venue, it's 1 out of 1 billion waiting for their chance to go viral online
Someone might be really good at stocking shelves, but that doesn't mean they can necessarily earn a very good living from it. You have a skill that many, many others have also honed. It's not the markets fault that supply outweighs demand for most people's music.
From the perspective of the consumer, most of the best albums were written by bands before they were making tons of money. The plethora of musicians producing very high quality music for relatively low cost (gone are the days of needing a multi-million dollar recording studio and multi-million dollar promotions) is a good thing for consumers. Musicians may not be able to get filthy rich anymore, and frankly, I couldn't care less. I have found much, much more great music performed by hobbyists who are producing their own music for the joy of it. I am not a good musician, but I write and record my own songs just for me and my friends and family. I can do this without a major investment. No longer are the wealthy executives and major publishers the gatekeepers of art, and that is a good thing for humanity. If an artist is truly exceptional, they will rise to the top and get paid....just as it should be. There have been millions of painters, and most of them died broke. There are millions of musicians, and most of them will never make a dime.
@@stevescuba1978 So you want people who have put countless hours and invested $1000s in their craft to just do it "for the joy of it." Got it. You said yourself you're not a very good musician, which is fine. However, I am a good musician, and given that the music I play makes other people money, I fully expect to be fairly compensated as well. And to be clear, I do play music for the joy of it. All the time. But I'm not going to share it with others for free, especially not when they're profiting off it. Being a musician requires work and investment and should thusly be compensated.
@@aldersmoke1 no, I don't think others should profit from your labor without you getting a cut of it. However, only a small fraction of a percentage of baseball players make a living playing baseball, and millions of people put years and thousands of dollars into the pursuit. Is that unfair also? My point is that, just because a person invests heavily in time and money does not mean that they are entitled to make a living from their pursuit. I have invested a couple thousand dollars or more in guitar and recording equipment, and I have no thoughts of even trying to monetize it. It just isn't a realistic path to follow. I am not a very good musician because I prioritized providing for my family. I delayed pursuing musical endeavors because I knew, from a very young age (before the Internet), that the likelihood of making a good living from it was quite low. My daughter is an extraordinarily talented artist, and I suggested to her to get a real job and pursue art as a labor of love for the same reason. Now that AI has been unleashed, it won't be long before NO artists or musicians will make any money. Best to prepare for reality than to watch the world pass you by.
Thanks for bringing this issue up in a big way. This is a huge obstacle for RUclips guitarists and all creators all together. It even limits peoples' motivation to play and publish, or at least they have to choose carefully what content they are covering or referring. That's what happended to me years ago. Haven't gotten a lot of enthusiasm recently to make RUclips videos cause every other vid gets taken down. And those strikes, I mean what the fuck.
My original channel with a whole whooping 16 followers got purged from RUclips via strikes after I uploaded videos of solo acoustic performances of “Hotel California” by the Eagles, “Thunder Rolls” by Garth Brooks and a mashup of “Four Horsemen” and “Mechanix”. All were solo acoustic performances. No backing tracks. Just me, a few beers deep, with a Martin and my voice. I feel for people that actually use RUclips as a means of income. Their rules are BS.
I am 48 and a huge fan for years and before I hit play I thought you were talking about me.....but then I seen Hotel California, and now I know you ment old, old guys.
I'm a bit torn on that subject; because on the one hand, off course doing a cover or a reaction video or whatever can be seen a free promotion, bringing the artist in question to possibly new fans, but let's be honest about it for a moment: RUclips "creators" don't do it to promote the artist in question, they do it to create clicks and thereby gaining money for themselves. What you basically never see is RUclipsrs promoting small artists with no name recognition. So that whole "free promotion" argument comes across as a bit disingenious at least. I admittedly also have some problems with the term content creator. Because as far as RUclips goes, most of the stuff presented isn't original content but very derivative in nature. That is not to say that RUclipsrs don't put a lot of work into those videos to edit them and make them entertaining, but they very often do it by just presenting stuff created by other people (and to be perfectly honest, filming yourself while doing a cover is basically as creative as me playing a Bob Dylan song at a campfire, it's NOT a creative activity at all). Now don't get me wrong: If a RUclipsr adds something substantially original to their videos like you do with your more satirical humorist approach to metal music, you quoting the stuff you're making fun of should never be reason for a copyright strike. And if you can make a living from it, I have nothing against it. This said, my main support goes to the real artists aka the musicians creating their own original stuff. And as long as even the worst RUclips reactors get more views for pretending they have never heard about Nightwish before than original artists get for their self created self-published music (including videos), my empathy for the so-called "content creators" is rather limited. Oh and by the way, I'm off course one of the old people.
RUclips when an underground musician covers a song with 50 views: *COPYRIGHT STRIKE* RUclips when a top 40 artist auto-tune raps over an un-cut sample of Misirlou/Tainted Love/Rocketman with 50 million views: *this is revenue and talent, and you will love this because our algorithm said so.*
Well done video about an important topic. I have but one critique: "The Music Industry" is not loosing its power, like you said in your first chapter. For example Universal Music is still the no. 1 nearly monopolist in the music market. They are the first who make money out of some random tiktok-shorts. They didn't loose money during the pandemic. They do not persist, they are winning the game. (And yes: this is because they invest a lot to keep up with the current digital change of the industry.)
how do they do it, do you have any more details by chance? do they attach themselves to any new prospect as a promoter/agent? anyone getting a little virality ? how do they keep their relevancy and most importantly how do they stay in the money?
Eagles are just jealous that Charles musical skills blow them all out of the water combined. Seriously though, he is probably the best bassist in the world.
I am massively scared that with all the references to cases made here, Bradley could end up behind bars for life!!! 🤪 I mean I wouldn't put it past Yngwie to jump on Beanley at the very least!
That's exactly the same which drives Rick Beato nuts. Old school music presented this way not only generates cash for the copyright owner. It has the chance to be recognized and appreciated by younger folks for it isn't played on the radio anymore. The more younger people hear some old masterpieces, the more records can be sold by the copyright owner. I simply can't get it, that these people don't understand the simple mechanics of social networking (and simple mathematics too). It's not old folks that are driving us (I'm 57 btw.) mad. It's dumb old folks.
I once received a message, telling me to change the teeny tiny avatar on my freeking Tumblr blog after having it for something like 9 years, because this person claimed to be the model in the picture. The avatar was so tiny you could barely tell it's a human being, but yeah, sure. Go bother people on an obscure sh*tty tumblr blog after a decade... People seriously like to take out their frustration on the most stupid things.
Lovely video, can't wait for the Brainslug album! Also can't wait for the artists to take back the music industry as a whole, to the point where the labels become obsolete. Maybe we'll get less crappy corporate pop that way lol
Will we though? Boomers are the first generation in centuries where they've actively made life for everyone after them worse. Generations following them seem to want to undo the damage if anything.
It's almost the point. They want you to be afraid they wanna keep people away from making content so they can continue to dominate the field of music in a kind of ugly way like that. Very brutal dictatorial way really.
I totally agree with you and I am 70 years old and I have a RUclips Channel, I too have had copyright strikes, unfortunately the industry is set in it ways I am all for new ways and moving forward. Just to let you know not all of us oldies think that way, lol!!!
This situation with Eagles isn't about money. It's about control. Eagles will control your access to Eagles music, got it? It isn't about old people (old people created MP3 and torrents and the Internet and the Pirate Bay) it's about rich people addicted to control. If Bradley wanted an accurate title not a clickbait title it would say 'Rich People Are KILLING Music RUclips Channels'.
AI will make copyright obsolete. Also, posting things on alternative platforms will help RUclips side with the audience/ creators, instead of someone who wrote a song 50 years ago. When there will be near infinite copies and versions of all songs by all artists nearly instantly for free. The last gasps of a dying institution are extracting a few more dollars for the insurance on their Maserati's.
I’ve had idiots try to make copyright claims on instagram videos where I have a song playing on my turntable, where the claimant had SAMPLED the song in question. I tried to find their song and I couldn’t even find it because it was by a tiny artist in a third world country.
So accurate, so sad, but true... This whole thing is stressing, it's limitating, it's annoying... But yeah it's an industry. However I support that if "RUclips listens to its users" we all should do something to improve the way that this "legal thing" is applied, no? Thanks a lot Brad for making this video hope this doesn't happen again and keep it up man you rock... Literally ❤
I think Rick Beato made basically the same argument. RUclipsrs are effectively marketing boomer music to younger generations for pennies and the copyright holders don't seem to see the potential.
I've had to take a few mixes down recently as I got strike threats... and absolutely, I'm scared to upload those anymore, or just think to myself 'why bother?'
EXTREMELY GREAT VIDEO!!! SPOT ON!!! 👌We all have come across this!! And its destroying RUclips if it goes on!! Thanks Bradley!!✊ Cheers from Sweden!! 💙💛
100% agree with this. The issue is youtube is expected to uphold some elements of the law (copywrite infringements) yet they are not held accountable to investigate and to make sure that the claims are not baseless. and some Labels hand out claims more baseless than And Justice for All! This is why as a band we intentionally decided not to pay extra money to get our music added to youtube's automated copywrite detection. The best way to support fans is to let them use and promote your music, not to try and steal money off of content creators. and I'd encourage all other independent bands uploading through distrokid or other distributors to do the same. Let people use your music! it's free publicity at the end of the day
This is why I've stopped covering older bands in my analytical breakdowns. I agree that the copyright system needs to be Redone in a way that protects Creators. In the mean time, if the old guard won't take time to catch up, then we should simply leave them behind. I've taken the route of embracing the AWESOME new school of bands who not only understand the internet, but work along side content creators.
A big problem with today’s music industry is most of the crap you hear is …crap. There are no gate keepers like A&R men who have a talent for finding exceptional talent and promoting it because it’s actually good. Today, it’s much more likely music worth listening to will be lost among the sea of crap that is usually pushed by algorithms.
Feeling very proud, just got a copyright claim for uploading (on private) me playing 'Nothing Else Matters' for my guitar teacher to assess. If RUclips's algorithm thinks it's close enough to the original to warrant a copyright claim, my playing must be fairly decent 😂
What I love the most about this video is that Bradley Hall is covering songs in the background. Artists need to stop giving RUclipsrs copyright strikes just for covering and teaching someone with the music!
My band Trollfest released a music video for a cover of Bobby McFerrin's "Don't Worry be Happy" on Napalm Records' youtube channel... and guess what, we managed to get a major label their first copyright strike because of someone on the side of McFerrin taking it down... We spend thousands of dollars on that music video, and it was our first music video on our new label. It totally fucked us, and completely removed the momentum of our entire release. I'm 100% with you here.
Thanks for talking about this! I started my channel recently with covers but I'm getting out of my comfort zone to talk about topics in music I want. Part of that reason is because I know how problematic covers can be copyright wise! 90% of my covers are copyright claimed, which I understand since I use original backing tracks but I have a friend whose full cover kept getting claimed and blocked DESPITE being completely originally played by several people. He even tried changing the pitch and all that but eventually he did get lucky that RUclips accepted the appeal, which isn't the common result. Recently I was gonna make a cover of Sweater Weather by The Neighbourhood but I saw a looot of covers of that song get blocked and removed so I ended up not doing it.... No matter what content and ideas I have to make a video on or stuff to include on videos, I always have the copyright ghost behind me making me doubt all my choices and I ned up going the safest route possible to just avoid possible future problems. Honestly the copyright system is pretty scary and I don't want to risk screwing over my entire channel over it. The worst cases are where the covers are just straight up blocked, no one wins in that scenario
How have you not heard of youtubers getting strikes for covering an Eagles song? All th3 big channels avoid Eagles music like the plague and all of the small guitar channels have videos up talking about how Hotel California got them a strike.
Metallica are such visionaries that they went through this in the Napster era lol. They learned it faster than anyone else and adapted to the modern music system. Wish other artists would learn it too
I agree with Bradley on this video bc every time he talks about the music in his videos and something I new I have not heard I want to check it out and I do
Yes it really SUCKED what Eagles did to Charles Berthould, they should be penalize for earning money on the claime and finally deciding to do some copyright strike, its just sick BS!😝👎. Anyway to be fair on the Yng part, Yngwie is getting bullied by people like KDH and sixtring by capitalizing on the urban legend "Dime doughnut incident" and other nonsense hate that happened several decades ago which was blown out in proportion to vilify him to gain views (saw and watched that video) which is really unfair, He was a victim of this strawman when in fact he's just misunderstood, met Yngwie and he's very kind, cool, mellowed and composed nowadays so people should stop bringing up shit decades ago when people have already changed and people still accuse him of nonsense shit even your already improved for the better.🤦♀ The world is sometimes F'd up, Let's give other's chance to cover songs, it's not all about the money. Artist are not stealing when they cover your songs "famous artist", they are even enhancing your catalog. He'll if they think playing Hotel California takes away from their revenue, You're completely WRONG, no one is buying records nowadays, so suck it up. Let People play freely and creatively.💥🖕
Very good video as always dude. I fear the control aspect of larger companies and labels far outweighs the monetary these days. I really feel sorry for the musicians like your mate(s) that put their heart, soul and love into making a video their own by learning and playing a song they have always loved just to end up getting a copyright strike. Was the ‘sharing’ / taking all the cash for the video not enough? These covers really help push music and bands to people that may not have heard them before, thus increasing popularity for the band/artist and therefore adding a monetary increase too, creators shouldn’t be punished for that, It really is a crying shame. I can only hope as we further watch the music industry evolve that it (at some point) goes back to being about music and not greed by crushing the smaller person in a craft they so deeply love. However, I sadly doubt it. See you on the next video dude 💚🤘
In my opinion, even copyright claims are stupid and horrible. When you make a cover or a remake of a song or do a solo, that’s your hard work. That’s your video, you made that musical piece (remake, solo, etc.) you’re not copying and pasting. You made 100% of that effort on your video, you deserve 100% of the money based on your hard work. You shouldn’t have to share your money with someone that has nothing to do with your hard work. “Nirvana… but you’re OVERQUALIFIED” was made by Bradley Hall, not by Nirvana. The people siphoning off that money had nothing to do with the creation of that video.
"The Dude" was right about The Eagles. In the 90's when they reunited they were one of the first groups who came out with the ultra high ticket prices. Since then I decided they sucked. They have done nothing but reinforce this over the years.
According to metal bands that have been playing for more than 20 years, it’s not better at all for them now. Their revenues are down by quite a margin.
The burden of proof needs to be on the person issuing the strike / takedown/ demonetization etc ... Right now there is no cost to the big companies for getting it wrong.
the other major issue is that all of those older musicians come from a time where making money from music was much more possible. basically, these guys set themselves up comfortably for life and are now screwing over guys who at best are just trying to earn a living.
That's kind of disingenuous. They are not just trying to earn a living. They are trying to earn a living off the blood sweat and tears of the bands they are ripping off.
@@lashedbutnotleashed1984 ah yes, cause originality is dead. that old argument. clearly modern bands are just ripping off the classics, thats why everything still sounds like the 80s. right? the over crediting of the old guard, is exactly why newer bands struggle. the constant comparison to what came before and the "they'll never be as good as..." mentality is truly the most stifling thing in the music industry.
@@andrewwillismusic MY old argument? Your argument isn't exactly original. "Gee, if only those rotten old guys gave us a chance, we'd really show the world our greatness." Uh, no. No one is stopping any new bands from creating original, quality music. They just don't have a clue how to do it. The public is starving for some truly original music that is also creative and just plain good. If these "newer bands" could provide it....they would. And it has nothing to do with being compared to bands from the 60s, 70s, or 80s. The new guard simply has very little real talent. They've been raised on sampling and copying. I'm not saying ALL newer bands suck, but most do, and it's of their own doing. They are all of the "do it for me" generation.
@@lashedbutnotleashed1984 sounds like something dave mustain would say. face it, you just dont like modern music. its not about talent or creativity, its about you simply not liking something, therefore it must be bad. there are tons or original bands out there, but I'm sure you would never give them a chance, cause you would be proven wrong. on a side note, do you even know what sampling is? because bands have been doing it for generations. shit, nine inch nails made a career out of it.
@@andrewwillismusic That's a copout argument. If you can't think of anything relevant or insightful to say, just accuse the other person of hating something that makes him look petty. Wrong. I am always willing to listen to any new bands/music and I have been in bands myself since the 80s. I go see live music as often as I can and if I like a band composed of 21 year olds, I will be the first to complement them. I can see on your RUclips site that you are a musician/singer. Now I know why you take it so personally when older musicians try to protect their intellectual property. You make a living off of ripping them off. I doubt you have ever even written an original song. I have written hundreds and none of them sound like everyone else. I know what sampling is, and Nine Inch Nails is hardly what I would call an old band. I'm talking about bands from the 60s and 70s, maybe 80s. They didn't use sampling back then. At least not in the way we think of it now. They didn't try to steal other bands' music and call it their own.
Don Henley recently gave me a full-on copyright strike after over a decade of uploading covers, just for my piano/vocals cover of “Heart of the Matter” which contained ZERO audio from any of his recordings. I’m so glad my friend directed me to your video, because I thought I might’ve been alone in how completely dumbfounded I was by this boomer move.
New weekly series idea!! Collect info on artists issuing strikes and abusing the system then put them on blast. I have removed Eagles from my stream rotation for this crap.
Some artists/record companies are ridiculously petty. others turn a blind eye to entire unaltered tracks being uploaded. I can think of car channels where they panic to switch the radio off when they switch the ignition on in case they get a strike for a note of copyright music being played. The inconsistency is utterly scandalous, years ago people were illegally sharing whole albums on peer to peer networks and rightly that had to be addressed. Now we are reduced to a scenario where playing a few notes on your own instrument can get you whacked. To their credit some bands have contacted their record companies to get them to be more sensible. More than a few times the "algorithms" have produced false matches...
I recently made a video where I used some short clips from Metaldays promo trailers mixed in with other clips and photos and with my commentary over it, like every youtuber does. The next day I got an email from the organizer of Metaldays personally threatening to sue me and to demand compensation. The video didn't even have a copyright claim on it. I emailed him back about the laws of copyright, a week goes by of nothing happening, and then he files a copyright strike on my channel and has the video removed. I'm definitely making a video on it
Fully agree, the situation reminds of Lars Ulrich in trial against Napster saying to his fans that htey are stealing from him. Theoretically the copyrights holders for some famous songs may close down most of the channels by issuing copyright strikes. RUclips need to find some fine line between protecting the rightsholders and supporting creators, otherwise they would move elsewhere. You can't stop the progress, old people.
Consider that .... just perhaps... Maybe Charles drew the strike because he made it sound BETTER. It isn't always about the money, and when you see people doing what on the surface appear to be absurd behavior, it's usually someone flexing their ego. Best solution is to let the Eagle die in obscurity. Time wounds all heals
Don't blame us. I recall "knowing" when "Meet the Beatles" was released it would be public domain in 1989. The lawyers, politicians, CEOs and MBAs giving or receiving the bribes were much closer to the cradle than the grave.
On my very first (and now ONLY cover done), yes it was Eagles Hotel California. I did my own backing track and did a guitar solo. My channel had 8 subscribers and it had about 15 views over about 26 hours. Yep, I got a Copyright strike and told after 3 strikes I would lose my channel. I then had to read copyright info and take a test at the end of it. I did it basically for friends and relatives to show me playing. I never made any money from it it was just for me and if anything, was a tribute to them. How many of us nobodies on RUclips have been hit with these strikes. Now I only play original music I have wrote. One day I expect to be hit again due to me using a chord that has a Copyright on it. I do remember Dave Simpson having a Copyright strike due to amp feedback from ACDC, This world is going so crazy.
I agree with everything you've said! Except...RUclips is a company providing a service with which they can make whatever rules they want. If they want to take shit down "just because", then they can. And I absolutely support making noise about the abuse and calling out both the labels and YT for being so damn ridiculous!
I have a ton of videos on my channel that are covers by me just playing guitar and singing. Had this account since 2007 and haven’t uploaded in a few years. The thought of losing this channel and having to make a new one and find every channel I follow again is nightmarish.
Rick Beato had a video with himself playing a guitar line from The Beatles taken down manually by some obnoxious rights-holding monstrosity. as for censoring opinions by ego-inflated musicians, in 2012 I had a run in with lawyers of Joey DeMaio from Manowar (probably an intern posing as a Chief Legal Officer of Magic Circle Music lol) who sent a "cease & desist" order for me to stop criticizing 2012 Manowar album "Lord of Steel" which was and is a travesty. The album, that is. The cease'n'desist whatever I just brushed off and countered the strike, which of course was lifted by YT after 2 weeks of idleness from Mr DeMaio (pardon, DOCTOR DEMAIO) and his goons.
I think that the new changes to the music industry due to the internet and technology can potentially have some terrible effects on artists, but petty copyright strikes is definitely not the right way to fix this.
i often expose people to music both old and new via my mixes that many will either have not heard or may not have heard the version i am using .When i see a good cover ,remix, mix or even the original song i then want to get it myself.I hope what i do makes people curios about the music i mix.Artist and companies crashing videos that potentially can bring in lots of money from free promotion by people that love the music , are being a bit bonkers.
I was introduced to Iron Maiden be an amateur group covering the song Number Of The Beast. A good example of what you are talking about aspiring artists and established artist getting recognition.
I randomly uploaded a gym lift video and was slightly shocked that it got copyright claimed because you can hear a brief snippet of a song in the background, not that I was intending to make money from it but it made me wonder how people make money from such a scuffed website
when i was young and stupid i wanted to be in a famous band. part of the appeal for me is that others would be inspired and want to learn and play my songs. thanks for the great video. i think the issues around copyright are similar but the technology is forcing change.
This is interesting because a mate who does tuition videos in electronic music got a copyright strike for using HIS OWN music because an account claimed it was their's. Turns out there are scam companies trawling the Web and claiming ownership of indie artists. A loophole that must be closed by YT.
Charles really should have seen this coming. The Eagles and a few other artists are extremely consistent in their actions. They fought hard for the rights to their music and they have a zero tolerance policy to their music being used in any way. I don't think they have any interest at all at conforming to the times and tryin to get their music shared to younger or even just new audiences. It's a shame. All new players should be playing Eagles songs. It's some of the best music ever written and it's got lots of simple, but extremely well-written parts to help players work on their rhythm and melody chops.
The Eagles are notorious for striking covers and rehashed material. Check out Rick Beato ranting aboutvit; he even testified to American congress defending RUclipsr's rights to fair use. But the Eagles won't have it. I can only conclude that they want nobody to even talk about their songs, ultimately to make them disappear from our collective memories.
The great thing about "online music" is that there's a plethora of music you may have never heard or is hard to find. The WORST thing about "online music" is the LACK of a PHYSICAL COPY!!! I enjoy holding an album, looking at the artwork, and reading liner notes and lyrics. 🤷
The eagles one reminds me of Mr. Tabs Hotel California lesson, he ended up just rereleasing the video without the audio, making it really hard to learn
i like physical media but i do use digital and i am digitizing all my music when i can get it out of storage .A task i think i may never complete.I do try new stuff but its finding the time and good pop music is not aimed at me because .....you guessed it i am old but it does not stop me looking.
ALRIGHT MATE! Thanks for the support, things are getting crazy 🤣
Okay, but I already ask for it in the past: can you do a collab both of you?
Make my dream comes true. Solidarity.
Y'all should do a Charles and Bradley collab and brand it as "Original Piece for the Support of Cover Musicians On RUclips"!
bro! so sorry to hear about this HUGE BS going on.... you are UNREAL AWESOME and deserve better then this,... TOTALLY
You have a great channel, Charles! Don Henley is petty.
I reckon things are happening *precisely* the way they need to... Reckon you lot know that too 🙃
I suspect the voices of the few with control are about to be buried in an avalanche by those of us who don't...Which is an astounding majority.
A few years ago, Metallica had videos they uploaded on their own official channel being taken down for copyright infringement. That should tell a lot about how broken RUclips's copyright system is.
My thoughts exactly. The issue is with RUclips.
One of the reasons why copyright laws are so strict is because of Lars, so that's his fault
say that loud enough so those in the back can hear ya!! good point and they got what the deserved!!@@malloryknox6802
Who tf took them down?
youtube should punish frivelous takedowns, just as they punish the creators
I suspect a push back system on copyright claim abuse seems risky to them. The current system probably exists to appease the major media companies. They would need a compelling reason to change that. The revenue loss would have to justify the risk of having to wage a potential IP lawsuit.
@@canhamducbet What you typed makes sense.
@@canhamducbet absolutly, but that doesnt change the fact that they SHOULD :). its clearly a hassle they dont like, but IMO they should be taking the responsebility for.. if there is no real discourse for the creators then youtube shouldnt have such a system, there are planty of other ways to ensure copyright fairly.. 3 strikes and your out is BS, especily since the same source can issue all 3 at the same time...
I mean, "should" is whatever. Google is a large capitalist and is going to be on the side of large capitalists, period. Why would they antagonize their business partners (which is who these companies are) in defense of video creators (who are, frankly, just free labor to them)?
"youtube should punish frivelous takedowns"
A frivolous takedown in youtubes eyes is a takedown request by a nobody. if you don't have an influential law firm making the request for you then it's a frivolous takedown. the only solution is to stop using youtube. as long as you are using it then you agree to their rules no matter how much you complain.
It's the greedy record labels, lawyers, and copyright trolls - not us old people. Begrudgingly liked and agree with all points (except the title). NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! 😂
when i was your age we were fighting for the right to party. trying to get our mixtapes to our friends. now these zoomers are whining about tyrants being tyrants? since when in their lives has that not been true? remember kids being forced into bankruptcy for downloading metallica? why id say its only right and proper that life isnt fair and the tradition of oppression and fighting the olds remains alive and well for them to partake in. do they wish to deprive the next generation of the opportunity to fight the man? what will they have left to fight then? poverty? scoff.
Hear, hear! Ye be speaking our minds, mate!
Sounds good in theory, but it's not taylor swift and ava max aggressively taking down music. And they have lawyers and record labels. It's old bands like eagles and hendrix.
@@herculesbrofister265 what about the kanye west finger enjoyer incident
Get Off My Lawn....that was great lol
It's not about money for them, it's about control. Something that faded away for them a long time ago musically. I don't see the problem though. Just don't pay attention to Eagles music. Let them take it into their graves with them. There's plenty of music to promote without these problems.
If the Eagles want to be forgotten, let them.
@@alexschuster1618 they aren't going to be forgotten with songs like Hotel California regardless of their behaviour, they are probably just being jerks for the thrill of it
Well they already are doing this to themselves by taking down covers of their songs. Now they have to depend solely on 80's lovers and spotify...
Ok but no one controls anything in modern life without money. No one is ever after strictly the money, bu what the money affords them.
@@holliswilliams8426 Yes they will if new consumers cannot be made aware. And they only have one Hotel California not songs like it. When is the last time you purchased an Eagles album? 😃
They never had to deal with this when they were playing in cover bands, because each performance isn't in an easily searchable database. How many bands got their start playing cover songs at the local bar?
Imagine the music scene if the beatles had a way to stop people from covering their music.
The local bars get huge fines if they haven't paid their ASCAP license fees to allow public playing of covers or even the jukebox!
I've seen artists at local wine bars not able to play Dylan songs because of ASCAP
Imagine the music scene if The Beatles had been stopped from covering music.
The Beatles WERE a cover band, before they became "The Beatles". They were great because they had a vast repertoire and mass exposure to the works of others.
I talked to Paul O'Neill back in the late 90s about doing Savatage covers and how all that stuff worked. His take was that playing cover live, for profit, was OK, as bands had been doing that for decades. It's when those covers are recorded and those recordings are sold, that's when things get into legal territory.
Look at Weird Al. Legally, he can parody any song he wants to without permission from the artist or record company. It's just been his thing to ask permission, because that's how he rolls.
Thank you for the truthful (and comedic!) coverage that really shed light on why topics like this are so important for us all. I am not happy with how this should ever happen at all, and it sucks to see people we love having their careers and passions in jeopardy for sometimes using as much as only 10 seconds of a song that is prohibited by older bands. As Charles said, no one wins: The content creators don't get to make the content they enjoy, and it puts a sour taste in us towards those bands that are suppose to leave a positive legacy. Cheers Bradley.
@@BradleyHallGuitar My pleasure man !
@@BradleyHallGuitar seems like it's just The Eagles. Not all old people. Nobody else is doing that.
One of the biggest issues in this whole problem is that youtube has no incentive to fix their copyright system, as it keeps the big companies that pay advertising revenue happy, which is pretty much all they care about
There is nothing to fix, as content uploaders agree to Terms and Conditions when they create their channel and/or upload copyrighted content. Google it.
And there's people that keep asking why I never even thought about The Eagles in every single Iconic Riffs video I've ever made
i have discovered a bunch of new to me bands because of videos by you, nik nocturnal, jared dines, tank the tech, and others. i’m one of those that said “oh these guys are cool” and went and bought music, merch, and concert tickets from those bands. the guys who keep issuing these strikes need to realize they’re missing out on a lot of money they don’t even have to work for 🤦🏼♀️
On the one hand false copywrite claims are evil. On the other hand anything that makes less Eagles music available is good. I'm torn.
Spot on. So many people refuse to acknowledge or accept how things have changed. They dismiss RUclipsrs as not real musicians or creators. You've seen it in the comments when Guitar World posts about you. The world has changed. The music industry has changed. The way we consume music has changed. And not just music. TV and movies and all media. But these companies and artists that are stuck in the past are desperate to hang onto the old ways. They just don't get that this is actually beneficial to them. Completely lost touch and just not with the times. On top of that, Don Henley is apparently one of the biggest a-holes on the planet. And a Hotel California cover of any sort is pretty much guaranteed to get nailed.
I'll play devil's advocate here and point out that whether this sort of thing is "beneficial" to the copyright owner isn't for you to decide. Maybe the copyright owner doesn't want people butchering music they wrote and profiting from it. Both sides of the argument are valid, but I think I'm more sympathetic to copyright holders. RUclips is full of entitled little brats who seem to think everything exists for them to exploit, then throw a tantrum when they find out they're wrong. 😄 So obnoxious.
If every guitar channel went down overnight it would be a good thing. RUclips guitar channels have made guitar really uncool. One of the biggest reasons for that is the ego's of the youtubers. If they shut up and just played it would be better.
Yes, if you cover the Eagles on You Tube, get ready for a take down. But you don't get to decide what is beneficial for someone who created a piece of art.
In this case, for example, Charles is a very popular. He has what, a million and a half subscribers? Say he recorded his version of Hotel California and paid the copyright fees and all that then put it on a streaming service.
If it got downloaded 100,000 times -- he could point his subscribed to it instead of just posing it on YT -- the Eagles would make about $9,000. These things have actual, real world value.
I agree that the music industry is once again -- I'm apparently an old person because I've seen this movie at least three times before -- cassettes, CDs, and digital. But just pouting and saying someone doesn't have the right to protect what they created in any legal way they want to is a bunch of ignorant, entitled nonsense.
@@jessmore9870 These punks need a good hard lesson in humility. I'm glad this happened, I'm glad people are so flustered about it, and I hope it keeps happening. Write your own fucking music and quit shamelessly riding the coattails of people who came before you
I think its great that people don't need a record label, and they can just send out creativity at their own leisure, however, money is definitely an issue. Streaming is different from buying a record, because, of course, you don't need to pay for it.
I gotta’ admit though, people buying music because the music was good, does have a kind of old-fashioned charm to it, because it’s bloody ridiculous the extremes people are going to make themselves “relatable” or “Fu*%able” in order to simply get views, and the sad thing is a lot of these people are actually talented enough that they shouldn’t have to do any of that stuff.
Well said!❤
God forbid someone get inspired by a COVER!
Eagles/management/owners are notorious for being copyright trolls.
love these rant style videos ladley, especially since you actually know what youre talking about unlike alot of peeps this side of the internet
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I used to think shifting the power away from record label gatekeepers was a good thing too, but as time has gone on, it's turned out that no power also means no money. The fact that people don't buy music anymore, in any form, has effectively relegated music to a 100% hobby for 99.9% of musicians. And now labels and venues are also starting to take a cut of merch, which means touring is going to also be happening at a loss for musicians going forward. Sure, any Tom, Dick or Mary can put their music on the internet now and have an equally (albeit nearly non-existent) chance of being heard by anyone because there's such a glut and no gatekeepers, but it has more or less killed the music business as a business for all but a very small sliver of high-earning types like Metallica or Taylor. I frankly think the old system was better at this point. Not only were the options for listeners not as overwhelming, but the musicians who were able to break through could at least make a living selling their music because those listeners would have to pay for it to access it.
And before you point out that there are plenty of "creators" making money from channels like this one, and that they are technically a part of the music business (all true), it's still not musicians making a living from the sale of their own music. Channels like this are people making money by talking about music, which is great, obviously I'm here watching them, but it's not getting musicians directly paid for their creations.
Last thought: I'm of course a musician. I'm a writer. I am not a salesman, a huckster, a jump-up-and-down performer. I'm a guitar player and singer who writes music. That's what I'm good at, and I think there was real value to a system that allowed musicians to just create while other people (usually from labels) took care of that other stuff. Because being a musician doesn't automatically come with those other skill sets, nor should it be required to.
This ! I totally agree brother! Oversaturated market of free content. A market much much more difficult to break out on too. Digital sales are terrible for making money. Movies for example. I think it was Matt Damon who was talking about how if a movie didn't do great at the Box office, but well enough , the sales from the physical DVDs would more than make up for the Box Office loss. Same thing for music. Now people can just buy the song as a single, or they can listen to it on Spotify (where the artist gets peanuts for it), or for free on RUclips. How many of these artists on RUclips are touring? (The real money maker) not many because touring takes a lot of logistical nightmares, that the traditional record label took care of. So the artist must rely on a huge RUclips audience. Ok, but.... Are the people there to listen to their original music or there to listen to them cover songs and talk about various musical topics? Like you said, their original music is probably a fraction of a fraction of the money they generate. In short... I have come to the conclusion that the internet although amazing in educational material and connecting people across the world , it's a net negative on society too. Now instead of 1 out of 500 thousand people having a chance to sign a major record label, or being discovered at a cool venue, it's 1 out of 1 billion waiting for their chance to go viral online
Someone might be really good at stocking shelves, but that doesn't mean they can necessarily earn a very good living from it. You have a skill that many, many others have also honed. It's not the markets fault that supply outweighs demand for most people's music.
From the perspective of the consumer, most of the best albums were written by bands before they were making tons of money. The plethora of musicians producing very high quality music for relatively low cost (gone are the days of needing a multi-million dollar recording studio and multi-million dollar promotions) is a good thing for consumers. Musicians may not be able to get filthy rich anymore, and frankly, I couldn't care less. I have found much, much more great music performed by hobbyists who are producing their own music for the joy of it.
I am not a good musician, but I write and record my own songs just for me and my friends and family. I can do this without a major investment.
No longer are the wealthy executives and major publishers the gatekeepers of art, and that is a good thing for humanity. If an artist is truly exceptional, they will rise to the top and get paid....just as it should be. There have been millions of painters, and most of them died broke. There are millions of musicians, and most of them will never make a dime.
@@stevescuba1978 So you want people who have put countless hours and invested $1000s in their craft to just do it "for the joy of it." Got it.
You said yourself you're not a very good musician, which is fine. However, I am a good musician, and given that the music I play makes other people money, I fully expect to be fairly compensated as well.
And to be clear, I do play music for the joy of it. All the time. But I'm not going to share it with others for free, especially not when they're profiting off it. Being a musician requires work and investment and should thusly be compensated.
@@aldersmoke1 no, I don't think others should profit from your labor without you getting a cut of it. However, only a small fraction of a percentage of baseball players make a living playing baseball, and millions of people put years and thousands of dollars into the pursuit. Is that unfair also? My point is that, just because a person invests heavily in time and money does not mean that they are entitled to make a living from their pursuit. I have invested a couple thousand dollars or more in guitar and recording equipment, and I have no thoughts of even trying to monetize it. It just isn't a realistic path to follow.
I am not a very good musician because I prioritized providing for my family. I delayed pursuing musical endeavors because I knew, from a very young age (before the Internet), that the likelihood of making a good living from it was quite low.
My daughter is an extraordinarily talented artist, and I suggested to her to get a real job and pursue art as a labor of love for the same reason.
Now that AI has been unleashed, it won't be long before NO artists or musicians will make any money. Best to prepare for reality than to watch the world pass you by.
Thank you my British friend for sharing this knowledge. Many people are unaware of such things so informing others about it is extremly important.
Thanks for bringing this issue up in a big way. This is a huge obstacle for RUclips guitarists and all creators all together. It even limits peoples' motivation to play and publish, or at least they have to choose carefully what content they are covering or referring. That's what happended to me years ago. Haven't gotten a lot of enthusiasm recently to make RUclips videos cause every other vid gets taken down. And those strikes, I mean what the fuck.
Haha they actually make you do a thing called "copyright school!?" Lmaooo..this was actually educational thanks Bradley
My original channel with a whole whooping 16 followers got purged from RUclips via strikes after I uploaded videos of solo acoustic performances of “Hotel California” by the Eagles, “Thunder Rolls” by Garth Brooks and a mashup of “Four Horsemen” and “Mechanix”. All were solo acoustic performances. No backing tracks. Just me, a few beers deep, with a Martin and my voice. I feel for people that actually use RUclips as a means of income. Their rules are BS.
**Stares at Rick Beatio**
I am 48 and a huge fan for years and before I hit play I thought you were talking about me.....but then I seen Hotel California, and now I know you ment old, old guys.
Doing god's work
Kdh man
I'm a bit torn on that subject; because on the one hand, off course doing a cover or a reaction video or whatever can be seen a free promotion, bringing the artist in question to possibly new fans, but let's be honest about it for a moment: RUclips "creators" don't do it to promote the artist in question, they do it to create clicks and thereby gaining money for themselves. What you basically never see is RUclipsrs promoting small artists with no name recognition. So that whole "free promotion" argument comes across as a bit disingenious at least.
I admittedly also have some problems with the term content creator. Because as far as RUclips goes, most of the stuff presented isn't original content but very derivative in nature. That is not to say that RUclipsrs don't put a lot of work into those videos to edit them and make them entertaining, but they very often do it by just presenting stuff created by other people (and to be perfectly honest, filming yourself while doing a cover is basically as creative as me playing a Bob Dylan song at a campfire, it's NOT a creative activity at all).
Now don't get me wrong: If a RUclipsr adds something substantially original to their videos like you do with your more satirical humorist approach to metal music, you quoting the stuff you're making fun of should never be reason for a copyright strike. And if you can make a living from it, I have nothing against it. This said, my main support goes to the real artists aka the musicians creating their own original stuff. And as long as even the worst RUclips reactors get more views for pretending they have never heard about Nightwish before than original artists get for their self created self-published music (including videos), my empathy for the so-called "content creators" is rather limited. Oh and by the way, I'm off course one of the old people.
Well said
You have my full support mate, music copyright abuse is the absolute worst and i hope we can see some reform on this
RUclips when an underground musician covers a song with 50 views: *COPYRIGHT STRIKE*
RUclips when a top 40 artist auto-tune raps over an un-cut sample of Misirlou/Tainted Love/Rocketman with 50 million views: *this is revenue and talent, and you will love this because our algorithm said so.*
Well done video about an important topic.
I have but one critique:
"The Music Industry" is not loosing its power, like you said in your first chapter. For example Universal Music is still the no. 1 nearly monopolist in the music market. They are the first who make money out of some random tiktok-shorts. They didn't loose money during the pandemic. They do not persist, they are winning the game. (And yes: this is because they invest a lot to keep up with the current digital change of the industry.)
how do they do it, do you have any more details by chance? do they attach themselves to any new prospect as a promoter/agent? anyone getting a little virality ? how do they keep their relevancy and most importantly how do they stay in the money?
Eagles are just jealous that Charles musical skills blow them all out of the water combined. Seriously though, he is probably the best bassist in the world.
I am massively scared that with all the references to cases made here, Bradley could end up behind bars for life!!! 🤪 I mean I wouldn't put it past Yngwie to jump on Beanley at the very least!
Well, at least he is british, so he isn't subject to US's insane legal system.
This just validates my last 20 years of thinking the Eagles suck. The Dude was right all along.
That's exactly the same which drives Rick Beato nuts. Old school music presented this way not only generates cash for the copyright owner. It has the chance to be recognized and appreciated by younger folks for it isn't played on the radio anymore. The more younger people hear some old masterpieces, the more records can be sold by the copyright owner.
I simply can't get it, that these people don't understand the simple mechanics of social networking (and simple mathematics too). It's not old folks that are driving us (I'm 57 btw.) mad.
It's dumb old folks.
@@BradleyHallGuitar Sad but true.
@@BradleyHallGuitar That can be said for a great many things all over the world.
I once received a message, telling me to change the teeny tiny avatar on my freeking Tumblr blog after having it for something like 9 years, because this person claimed to be the model in the picture. The avatar was so tiny you could barely tell it's a human being, but yeah, sure. Go bother people on an obscure sh*tty tumblr blog after a decade... People seriously like to take out their frustration on the most stupid things.
Lovely video, can't wait for the Brainslug album! Also can't wait for the artists to take back the music industry as a whole, to the point where the labels become obsolete. Maybe we'll get less crappy corporate pop that way lol
Right, the crappy corporate pop that people are covering?
Dead to all labels!
Old people ruin a lot of things.
However, we will get to be old people and find things to ruin. Circle of life.
Will we though? Boomers are the first generation in centuries where they've actively made life for everyone after them worse. Generations following them seem to want to undo the damage if anything.
This makes me kind of scared to make content, thanks for speaking out about it
It's almost the point. They want you to be afraid they wanna keep people away from making content so they can continue to dominate the field of music in a kind of ugly way like that. Very brutal dictatorial way really.
I totally agree with you and I am 70 years old and I have a RUclips Channel, I too have had copyright strikes, unfortunately the industry is set in it ways I am all for new ways and moving forward.
Just to let you know not all of us oldies think that way, lol!!!
This situation with Eagles isn't about money. It's about control. Eagles will control your access to Eagles music, got it? It isn't about old people (old people created MP3 and torrents and the Internet and the Pirate Bay) it's about rich people addicted to control. If Bradley wanted an accurate title not a clickbait title it would say 'Rich People Are KILLING Music RUclips Channels'.
I remember the times when even guitar tabs were banned from internet for infringing copyright...
AI will make copyright obsolete. Also, posting things on alternative platforms will help RUclips side with the audience/ creators, instead of someone who wrote a song 50 years ago. When there will be near infinite copies and versions of all songs by all artists nearly instantly for free.
The last gasps of a dying institution are extracting a few more dollars for the insurance on their Maserati's.
Maybe you can share, where to upload / look & listen those striked videos?
@@michaelnachvorne9250 Rumble is the first decent alternative to RUclips. There will be more in the future.
I’ve had idiots try to make copyright claims on instagram videos where I have a song playing on my turntable, where the claimant had SAMPLED the song in question. I tried to find their song and I couldn’t even find it because it was by a tiny artist in a third world country.
So accurate, so sad, but true... This whole thing is stressing, it's limitating, it's annoying... But yeah it's an industry. However I support that if "RUclips listens to its users" we all should do something to improve the way that this "legal thing" is applied, no? Thanks a lot Brad for making this video hope this doesn't happen again and keep it up man you rock... Literally ❤
Metallica's lawyers are currently discussing your use of "sad, but true" in your comment
@@khaaaaaaaaaannn lmao
I think Rick Beato made basically the same argument. RUclipsrs are effectively marketing boomer music to younger generations for pennies and the copyright holders don't seem to see the potential.
I've had to take a few mixes down recently as I got strike threats... and absolutely, I'm scared to upload those anymore, or just think to myself 'why bother?'
We made a live cover of Immigrant Song, and tha audio got deleted by youtube due to copyright issues. I consider that as a compliment :)
EXTREMELY GREAT VIDEO!!! SPOT ON!!! 👌We all have come across this!! And its destroying RUclips if it goes on!! Thanks Bradley!!✊ Cheers from Sweden!! 💙💛
100% agree with this. The issue is youtube is expected to uphold some elements of the law (copywrite infringements) yet they are not held accountable to investigate and to make sure that the claims are not baseless. and some Labels hand out claims more baseless than And Justice for All!
This is why as a band we intentionally decided not to pay extra money to get our music added to youtube's automated copywrite detection. The best way to support fans is to let them use and promote your music, not to try and steal money off of content creators. and I'd encourage all other independent bands uploading through distrokid or other distributors to do the same. Let people use your music! it's free publicity at the end of the day
This is why I've stopped covering older bands in my analytical breakdowns. I agree that the copyright system needs to be Redone in a way that protects Creators. In the mean time, if the old guard won't take time to catch up, then we should simply leave them behind. I've taken the route of embracing the AWESOME new school of bands who not only understand the internet, but work along side content creators.
Yeah, but those "new school of bands" produce nothing but crap no matter how much they understand content creators and the internet.
A big problem with today’s music industry is most of the crap you hear is …crap. There are no gate keepers like A&R men who have a talent for finding exceptional talent and promoting it because it’s actually good. Today, it’s much more likely music worth listening to will be lost among the sea of crap that is usually pushed by algorithms.
Let them do it, they'll make physical media (also live concerts) go popular again.
Feeling very proud, just got a copyright claim for uploading (on private) me playing 'Nothing Else Matters' for my guitar teacher to assess. If RUclips's algorithm thinks it's close enough to the original to warrant a copyright claim, my playing must be fairly decent 😂
“Name one song besides ‘Hotel California’ by The Eagles.”
Average Listener Today: 🤷♀️
I just love that you're talking about this stuff, its important that people call out this behavior by the record labels.
What I love the most about this video is that Bradley Hall is covering songs in the background. Artists need to stop giving RUclipsrs copyright strikes just for covering and teaching someone with the music!
My band Trollfest released a music video for a cover of Bobby McFerrin's "Don't Worry be Happy" on Napalm Records' youtube channel... and guess what, we managed to get a major label their first copyright strike because of someone on the side of McFerrin taking it down... We spend thousands of dollars on that music video, and it was our first music video on our new label.
It totally fucked us, and completely removed the momentum of our entire release.
I'm 100% with you here.
Thanks for talking about this! I started my channel recently with covers but I'm getting out of my comfort zone to talk about topics in music I want. Part of that reason is because I know how problematic covers can be copyright wise! 90% of my covers are copyright claimed, which I understand since I use original backing tracks but I have a friend whose full cover kept getting claimed and blocked DESPITE being completely originally played by several people. He even tried changing the pitch and all that but eventually he did get lucky that RUclips accepted the appeal, which isn't the common result.
Recently I was gonna make a cover of Sweater Weather by The Neighbourhood but I saw a looot of covers of that song get blocked and removed so I ended up not doing it....
No matter what content and ideas I have to make a video on or stuff to include on videos, I always have the copyright ghost behind me making me doubt all my choices and I ned up going the safest route possible to just avoid possible future problems.
Honestly the copyright system is pretty scary and I don't want to risk screwing over my entire channel over it. The worst cases are where the covers are just straight up blocked, no one wins in that scenario
How have you not heard of youtubers getting strikes for covering an Eagles song?
All th3 big channels avoid Eagles music like the plague and all of the small guitar channels have videos up talking about how Hotel California got them a strike.
Metallica are such visionaries that they went through this in the Napster era lol. They learned it faster than anyone else and adapted to the modern music system. Wish other artists would learn it too
I agree with Bradley on this video bc every time he talks about the music in his videos and something I new I have not heard I want to check it out and I do
Great video and well stated . Love this channel and appreciate the awesome content . Much love and appreciation, thanks for being awesome !👍🤘
Didn't think I'd see my man Charles on here, but very glad you're sticking up for your fellow artists!
Yes it really SUCKED what Eagles did to Charles Berthould, they should be penalize for earning money on the claime and finally deciding to do some copyright strike, its just sick BS!😝👎.
Anyway to be fair on the Yng part, Yngwie is getting bullied by people like KDH and sixtring by capitalizing on the urban legend "Dime doughnut incident" and other nonsense hate that happened several decades ago which was blown out in proportion to vilify him to gain views (saw and watched that video) which is really unfair, He was a victim of this strawman when in fact he's just misunderstood, met Yngwie and he's very kind, cool, mellowed and composed nowadays so people should stop bringing up shit decades ago when people have already changed and people still accuse him of nonsense shit even your already improved for the better.🤦♀
The world is sometimes F'd up, Let's give other's chance to cover songs, it's not all about the money. Artist are not stealing when they cover your songs "famous artist", they are even enhancing your catalog. He'll if they think playing Hotel California takes away from their revenue, You're completely WRONG, no one is buying records nowadays, so suck it up. Let People play freely and creatively.💥🖕
Very good video as always dude. I fear the control aspect of larger companies and labels far outweighs the monetary these days. I really feel sorry for the musicians like your mate(s) that put their heart, soul and love into making a video their own by learning and playing a song they have always loved just to end up getting a copyright strike. Was the ‘sharing’ / taking all the cash for the video not enough? These covers really help push music and bands to people that may not have heard them before, thus increasing popularity for the band/artist and therefore adding a monetary increase too, creators shouldn’t be punished for that, It really is a crying shame. I can only hope as we further watch the music industry evolve that it (at some point) goes back to being about music and not greed by crushing the smaller person in a craft they so deeply love. However, I sadly doubt it. See you on the next video dude 💚🤘
In my opinion, even copyright claims are stupid and horrible.
When you make a cover or a remake of a song or do a solo, that’s your hard work.
That’s your video, you made that musical piece (remake, solo, etc.) you’re not copying and pasting.
You made 100% of that effort on your video, you deserve 100% of the money based on your hard work.
You shouldn’t have to share your money with someone that has nothing to do with your hard work.
“Nirvana… but you’re OVERQUALIFIED” was made by Bradley Hall, not by Nirvana. The people siphoning off that money had nothing to do with the creation of that video.
"The Dude" was right about The Eagles. In the 90's when they reunited they were one of the first groups who came out with the ultra high ticket prices. Since then I decided they sucked. They have done nothing but reinforce this over the years.
You know it’s a problem when Bradley stops acting goofy
According to metal bands that have been playing for more than 20 years, it’s not better at all for them now. Their revenues are down by quite a margin.
No u
The burden of proof needs to be on the person issuing the strike / takedown/ demonetization etc ... Right now there is no cost to the big companies for getting it wrong.
the other major issue is that all of those older musicians come from a time where making money from music was much more possible. basically, these guys set themselves up comfortably for life and are now screwing over guys who at best are just trying to earn a living.
That's kind of disingenuous. They are not just trying to earn a living. They are trying to earn a living off the blood sweat and tears of the bands they are ripping off.
@@lashedbutnotleashed1984 ah yes, cause originality is dead. that old argument.
clearly modern bands are just ripping off the classics, thats why everything still sounds like the 80s. right?
the over crediting of the old guard, is exactly why newer bands struggle. the constant comparison to what came before and the "they'll never be as good as..." mentality is truly the most stifling thing in the music industry.
@@andrewwillismusic MY old argument? Your argument isn't exactly original. "Gee, if only those rotten old guys gave us a chance, we'd really show the world our greatness." Uh, no. No one is stopping any new bands from creating original, quality music. They just don't have a clue how to do it. The public is starving for some truly original music that is also creative and just plain good. If these "newer bands" could provide it....they would. And it has nothing to do with being compared to bands from the 60s, 70s, or 80s. The new guard simply has very little real talent. They've been raised on sampling and copying. I'm not saying ALL newer bands suck, but most do, and it's of their own doing. They are all of the "do it for me" generation.
@@lashedbutnotleashed1984 sounds like something dave mustain would say. face it, you just dont like modern music. its not about talent or creativity, its about you simply not liking something, therefore it must be bad. there are tons or original bands out there, but I'm sure you would never give them a chance, cause you would be proven wrong.
on a side note, do you even know what sampling is? because bands have been doing it for generations. shit, nine inch nails made a career out of it.
@@andrewwillismusic That's a copout argument. If you can't think of anything relevant or insightful to say, just accuse the other person of hating something that makes him look petty. Wrong. I am always willing to listen to any new bands/music and I have been in bands myself since the 80s. I go see live music as often as I can and if I like a band composed of 21 year olds, I will be the first to complement them.
I can see on your RUclips site that you are a musician/singer. Now I know why you take it so personally when older musicians try to protect their intellectual property. You make a living off of ripping them off. I doubt you have ever even written an original song. I have written hundreds and none of them sound like everyone else.
I know what sampling is, and Nine Inch Nails is hardly what I would call an old band. I'm talking about bands from the 60s and 70s, maybe 80s. They didn't use sampling back then. At least not in the way we think of it now. They didn't try to steal other bands' music and call it their own.
Every content creator really NEEDS to upload their content to multiple platforms at the same time.
Don Henley recently gave me a full-on copyright strike after over a decade of uploading covers, just for my piano/vocals cover of “Heart of the Matter” which contained ZERO audio from any of his recordings.
I’m so glad my friend directed me to your video, because I thought I might’ve been alone in how completely dumbfounded I was by this boomer move.
Don Henley was once busted with a 16 year old hooker who had OD'd.
New weekly series idea!! Collect info on artists issuing strikes and abusing the system then put them on blast.
I have removed Eagles from my stream rotation for this crap.
Some artists/record companies are ridiculously petty. others turn a blind eye to entire unaltered tracks being uploaded. I can think of car channels where they panic to switch the radio off when they switch the ignition on in case they get a strike for a note of copyright music being played. The inconsistency is utterly scandalous, years ago people were illegally sharing whole albums on peer to peer networks and rightly that had to be addressed. Now we are reduced to a scenario where playing a few notes on your own instrument can get you whacked. To their credit some bands have contacted their record companies to get them to be more sensible. More than a few times the "algorithms" have produced false matches...
Well said Bradley!
ASCAP has killed anybody playing cover tunes at a bar in the US.
agree, the old peoples still shocked about the music industry massive changes today
I recently made a video where I used some short clips from Metaldays promo trailers mixed in with other clips and photos and with my commentary over it, like every youtuber does. The next day I got an email from the organizer of Metaldays personally threatening to sue me and to demand compensation. The video didn't even have a copyright claim on it. I emailed him back about the laws of copyright, a week goes by of nothing happening, and then he files a copyright strike on my channel and has the video removed. I'm definitely making a video on it
Fully agree, the situation reminds of Lars Ulrich in trial against Napster saying to his fans that htey are stealing from him. Theoretically the copyrights holders for some famous songs may close down most of the channels by issuing copyright strikes. RUclips need to find some fine line between protecting the rightsholders and supporting creators, otherwise they would move elsewhere. You can't stop the progress, old people.
Consider that .... just perhaps... Maybe Charles drew the strike because he made it sound BETTER. It isn't always about the money, and when you see people doing what on the surface appear to be absurd behavior, it's usually someone flexing their ego. Best solution is to let the Eagle die in obscurity. Time wounds all heals
While all of this is certainly distressing, the most shocking thing to me is that anyone still gives a s**t about Yngwie Malmsteen.
Don't blame us. I recall "knowing" when "Meet the Beatles" was released it would be public domain in 1989. The lawyers, politicians, CEOs and MBAs giving or receiving the bribes were much closer to the cradle than the grave.
On my very first (and now ONLY cover done), yes it was Eagles Hotel California. I did my own backing track and did a guitar solo. My channel had 8 subscribers and it had about 15 views over about 26 hours. Yep, I got a Copyright strike and told after 3 strikes I would lose my channel. I then had to read copyright info and take a test at the end of it. I did it basically for friends and relatives to show me playing. I never made any money from it it was just for me and if anything, was a tribute to them. How many of us nobodies on RUclips have been hit with these strikes. Now I only play original music I have wrote. One day I expect to be hit again due to me using a chord that has a Copyright on it. I do remember Dave Simpson having a Copyright strike due to amp feedback from ACDC, This world is going so crazy.
Last year the eagles got Dave Simpson's video where he played some licks that weren't even Eagles riffs completely taken down from RUclips.
I agree with everything you've said! Except...RUclips is a company providing a service with which they can make whatever rules they want. If they want to take shit down "just because", then they can. And I absolutely support making noise about the abuse and calling out both the labels and YT for being so damn ridiculous!
"I had a rough night and I hate the fuckin' Eagles, man!"
- The Dude
I have a ton of videos on my channel that are covers by me just playing guitar and singing. Had this account since 2007 and haven’t uploaded in a few years. The thought of losing this channel and having to make a new one and find every channel I follow again is nightmarish.
Man, I got a copyright claim on a cover where every single sound was me playing it originally. They flagged it as a live version of the original, lol.
There is so much music and lyrics out there will be nothing left for the future. When the artist has died write it off is a half shot, to copying.
Rick Beato had a video with himself playing a guitar line from The Beatles taken down manually by some obnoxious rights-holding monstrosity.
as for censoring opinions by ego-inflated musicians, in 2012 I had a run in with lawyers of Joey DeMaio from Manowar (probably an intern posing as a Chief Legal Officer of Magic Circle Music lol) who sent a "cease & desist" order for me to stop criticizing 2012 Manowar album "Lord of Steel" which was and is a travesty. The album, that is. The cease'n'desist whatever I just brushed off and countered the strike, which of course was lifted by YT after 2 weeks of idleness from Mr DeMaio (pardon, DOCTOR DEMAIO) and his goons.
I think that the new changes to the music industry due to the internet and technology can potentially have some terrible effects on artists, but petty copyright strikes is definitely not the right way to fix this.
i often expose people to music both old and new via my mixes that many will either have not heard or may not have heard the version i am using .When i see a good cover ,remix, mix or even the original song i then want to get it myself.I hope what i do makes people curios about the music i mix.Artist and companies crashing videos that potentially can bring in lots of money from free promotion by people that love the music , are being a bit bonkers.
I was introduced to Iron Maiden be an amateur group covering the song Number Of The Beast. A good example of what you are talking about aspiring artists and established artist getting recognition.
I randomly uploaded a gym lift video and was slightly shocked that it got copyright claimed because you can hear a brief snippet of a song in the background, not that I was intending to make money from it but it made me wonder how people make money from such a scuffed website
when i was young and stupid i wanted to be in a famous band. part of the appeal for me is that others would be inspired and want to learn and play my songs.
thanks for the great video. i think the issues around copyright are similar but the technology is forcing change.
This is interesting because a mate who does tuition videos in electronic music got a copyright strike for using HIS OWN music because an account claimed it was their's. Turns out there are scam companies trawling the Web and claiming ownership of indie artists. A loophole that must be closed by YT.
Charles really should have seen this coming. The Eagles and a few other artists are extremely consistent in their actions.
They fought hard for the rights to their music and they have a zero tolerance policy to their music being used in any way.
I don't think they have any interest at all at conforming to the times and tryin to get their music shared to younger or even just new audiences.
It's a shame. All new players should be playing Eagles songs. It's some of the best music ever written and it's got lots of simple, but extremely well-written parts to help players work on their rhythm and melody chops.
The Eagles are notorious for striking covers and rehashed material. Check out Rick Beato ranting aboutvit; he even testified to American congress defending RUclipsr's rights to fair use.
But the Eagles won't have it. I can only conclude that they want nobody to even talk about their songs, ultimately to make them disappear from our collective memories.
The great thing about "online music" is that there's a plethora of music you may have never heard or is hard to find.
The WORST thing about "online music" is the LACK of a PHYSICAL COPY!!!
I enjoy holding an album, looking at the artwork, and reading liner notes and lyrics. 🤷
The eagles one reminds me of Mr. Tabs Hotel California lesson, he ended up just rereleasing the video without the audio, making it really hard to learn
i like physical media but i do use digital and i am digitizing all my music when i can get it out of storage .A task i think i may never complete.I do try new stuff but its finding the time and good pop music is not aimed at me because .....you guessed it i am old but it does not stop me looking.