They both are pretty much the same shoes, except one is with carbon and the other Nylon plates in the midsoles. I’d get the trainer version to save some money.
I've just ordered the Valkyrie Carbon Elite with a great price here in Europe, i was going to buy the Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 but now i need these Valkyrie Speedworks instead 😅
Did you find the Speedworks true to size? With narrow-toebox shoes I often have to go up half a size. But with roomy-toebox shoes (Topo), usual size. Based on what you said this shoe sounds ideal for long tempo runs!
@@kmshultz it's a half size short on length but true to size on volume. So if you are someone that has to go half size up just for more volume this shoe would be perfect in true to size.
@@AuDHDRunner Thank you, been running in the shoe a few months now. I took @edouard's advice to size up 1/2 size and it was spot on. Btw I live in Missouri!
Cooper Discoverer AT3 XLT. Great look, great traction in all conditions, great tread life, almost no road noise. They do tend to hang on to smaller rocks and throw them out at highway speeds. I have them and love them. Will buy again if these ever wear out. I have 45,000 miles these and they still have tread left.
Great comparison, thanks! I could not get along with the fit of the Endo Speed 4 due to that aggressive toe box taper. Super keen to try the Speedworks, especially giving us a more generous foam stack than others!
Thank you for talking about where the shoes are made. I would like to see this in every review out there. It matters. I'm not getting into the good, the bad, whatever... but it matters.
8K subs. Should be close to 9K by the time you run your marathon at the current rate. These TYR shoes look very accessible to the average runner and with quality materials.
Can you please give a quick snapshot outlining the main differences between this and the Valkyrie Elite Carbon? From the onset, they seem very similar aside from what the plate is made of.
The weight is different, fit is different and they both run a little snug the upper is different as well the speedwork is just geared more toward training and both are very stable
They are really similar looking and on foot. The only difference that's meaningful is the plate - other than that they feel identical. I got a little more speed assistance in the carbon but it's almost an endorphin speed 2 vs pro 2 situation where the rides are super close together. Speedworks would make a great budget racer like the speed 2
Tyr is the norse god of war, and the namesake of Tuesday (Tyrs day). Older spellings of Tyr is Tiwaz or Teiwaz he etymology is related to the greek god Zeus, and the original deus/divas meaning simply "god" in latin. Pretty damn interesting when you read up on it!
Thanks dude super helpful. How's the off-road performance? I don't do anything crazy but need good grip in the mud since it rains so much in NC. The BFGs were amazing in the mud
Those are some clean looking shoes! Will be interesting to see how quickly they get dirty as you push to 100 with them. Agree with you that they probably should've used a black outsole, but looks like you'll be turning it black anyway 😆
As a mid to forefoot striker, foam in the front of the shoe is more important than the heel, so low drop shoes like the TYR that put a few more mm in the forefoot appeal to me. The flat bottom of this one concerns me though, as my favorite shoes, like Mach 5 and ES3, feature good rockers.
Thanks for the review! Do you think these would be a good tempo day shoe for someone training for his first marathon and looking at a 3:40 to 3:50 finish? I am 6' 1" 170lbs.
Absolutely - perfect use case for this shoe! I'm around the same size and loved it. It's great at that 7 minute pace range where you're be doing a lot of those tempo runs
@@supwell My tempo runs won't be nearly that fast unless I'm doing my calculations wrong. Goal marathon pace will be 8:20 or 8:30 maybe. Easy runs in 9:00 to 10:00 range. I'm similar size to you, but much slower, so wondering if that will make this shoe awkward. Looking forward to the plateless Topo Specter 2 in a few months, might be more my speed. Thanks for the quick response!
A bit late to the party here, I got a pair of Speedworks and absolutely love them. But after a few 10k+ runs, I found the hardened piece at the toe box upper area gave me pretty serious black big toenails (from toenails banging against the hard fabric). I have never had this in any other shoes in the past. And the length of the shoe TTS for me vs other well fitting shoes. Wondering if you came across this issue?
it definitely feels short to me at the front in my normal size. i think i could've gone up half a size and that would've resolved the issue - i believe it's because of the aggressive toe curve at the front
Yeah probably not worth it to have both if your speed 3 is brand new. This is a little firmer and I think will hold up better for 2+ hour long runs but they are pretty similar
Ordered a pair from a Spanish outlet to the UK. Not sold anywhere in UK. Hac to go for the black colour as there going to get me through a wet winter, white shoes in UK winter are a no go!
Do you notice a difference in stiffness between the Elite Carbon and the Speedworks? I need a stiff daily trainer and I understand carbon is usually stiffer, but if there isn't much of a difference, the Speedworks becomes attractive as it is significantly cheaper.
@@supwell this may seem like a simple question/answer, but it is actually really helpful information for me. I'm struggling with a Morton's neuroma and have been recommended a less flexible shoe to help with the condition. So now I'm looking for something that combines stiffness, versatility, and a larger toe box. I simply wouldn't be able to find this kind of information anywhere else. Thank you so much for taking the time to answer it 🙏 Ps.: your channel rocks!
need to get some more miles in both! but i remember the speedworks being a little firmer and the neo vista having more of a roll. but i haven't done true workouts in either
Anatomical toe box sadly does not automatically mean wide foot shape. It simply means there's more room for the toes. Topo has an anatomical toe box but quite narrow midfoot too.
@@successfulstone the midfoot is okay for me, it is my toes that are still being crushed in the front. I’m going to keep wearing it and hope it loosens up a bit. The shoe feels great
I have a pair of the Speed 2, which is same midsole as Speed 1. The TYR is definitely similar! It's noticeably firmer then the Saucony at slower paces but similar bounce and roll
Take the insole out of the Saucony pro4 and put the insole from the Saucony endorphin pro2/speed 2 in the pro4..I think you will like the pro4 much better with the best insole Saucony has made for years..
I know Saucony has implemented their pwrrun plus insoles in many of their trainers. I bought a few pairs from insole geeks, a 3rd party seller specialized in various insoles. It’s unfortunate Saucony doesn’t sell their insoles separately.
I want to try this shoe so badly but they don’t make a women’s version. They simply market the standard men’s width D as a woman’s shoe on their website which is b.s. I understand it’s a new market for them but no way am I spending any money much less $170 on a shoe designed for a wider foot.
It is hard for me personally to take anything over my beloved Boston 12s lol but I think people who found the bostons too firm will really like these. They're more cushioned and slightly firmer than the endorphin speeds but a good amount softer out of the box than a fresh pair of bostons. Also the rocker in these is a bit smoother than the bostons for forefoot landing
@@supwellpicked up the Speedworks. For what I do I don’t think I need the Boston 12 quite yet. Plus I love my TYR trainers so excited to give there a try.
Boston is definitely more stable and firmer. Really different. Speedworks are bit unstable IMO. They have an inward slant to the midsole like an Asics vs the slightly outward slant of the Boston or Endo Speed. I don't pronate but you definitely feel it in your ankles, arches, and calves first few runs in the speedworks coming from the Boston.
Great vid and thanks for getting the TYR name correct. Now can you start saying Pew- Ma correct as well please. Like over 80% of the world's runners do, including PUMA themselves. Instead of some slang which means SH1T.😅
Since Puma uses the cat as a logo, it makes absolutely no sense to pronounce it any different than said cat. But then again, most Americans make a mess of Adidas too.
@@theghostofpcs2391 I don’t find it a big deal to pronounce the brand name differently from country to country. What matters is it conveys. The opposing pronunciations of words like “tomato, “potato,” “either,” or “neither”can differ in American and British English. Let’s call the whole thing off…
Valykries are kind of like angels, picking up fallen warriors on the battlefield amd bringing them to Valhalla.
Great review as always.
I absolutely love what TYR are doing. I’ve got the Elite Carbon and Speedworks on route.
Hi, please, what are your thoughts on the carbon, thinking on purchase them too. Thanks!
They both are pretty much the same shoes, except one is with carbon and the other Nylon plates in the midsoles. I’d get the trainer version to save some money.
@@wonkydonkey7899 thank you sir
I've just ordered the Valkyrie Carbon Elite with a great price here in Europe, i was going to buy the Saucony Endorphin Speed 4 but now i need these Valkyrie Speedworks instead 😅
Received mine on monday. I think it’s the speed 3/4 we never got. Also the toe box is accommodating. Not Topo like but way better than puma/saucony
Did you find the Speedworks true to size? With narrow-toebox shoes I often have to go up half a size. But with roomy-toebox shoes (Topo), usual size. Based on what you said this shoe sounds ideal for long tempo runs!
@@kmshultz if you are in between sizes you should half size up.
Because the toe box is better than most, but still not that big. And the shoe isn’t long. So def half size up in your case :)
@@kmshultz it's a half size short on length but true to size on volume. So if you are someone that has to go half size up just for more volume this shoe would be perfect in true to size.
@@AuDHDRunner Thank you, been running in the shoe a few months now. I took @edouard's advice to size up 1/2 size and it was spot on. Btw I live in Missouri!
Cooper Discoverer AT3 XLT. Great look, great traction in all conditions, great tread life, almost no road noise. They do tend to hang on to smaller rocks and throw them out at highway speeds. I have them and love them. Will buy again if these ever wear out. I have 45,000 miles these and they still have tread left.
Saw that one come in up in a review on my RUclips feed yesterday! I love the tread look on those. Thanks man 🙏🏽
I find the 45,000 mile claim somewhat suspicious to say the least!
Shouldn’t be hard to believe. They have a 60,000 mile warranty.
Great comparison, thanks! I could not get along with the fit of the Endo Speed 4 due to that aggressive toe box taper. Super keen to try the Speedworks, especially giving us a more generous foam stack than others!
Love the channel and I would love to see a review of the Craft Pacer. Thanks for the great reviews!
Thank you! Craft pacer coming extremely soon 😉
Love the coffee shoutout!
Thank you for talking about where the shoes are made. I would like to see this in every review out there. It matters. I'm not getting into the good, the bad, whatever... but it matters.
Most predominant athletic sneakers these days are either made in China or Vietnam.
Always awesome content man!
8K subs. Should be close to 9K by the time you run your marathon at the current rate. These TYR shoes look very accessible to the average runner and with quality materials.
🙌🏽 thanks. And yes I'm impressed by the build quality - esp with the 10% off it should be good value if they can hold up well past 200 miles
Very interested in seeing a comparison between Hyperion Max 2 VS TYR Speedworks
I think "ride of the valkyries" by lil wagner clocks in at around 5:30, great soundtrack for some spicy tyr mile repeats
😂 I love it
Can you please give a quick snapshot outlining the main differences between this and the Valkyrie Elite Carbon? From the onset, they seem very similar aside from what the plate is made of.
The weight is different, fit is different and they both run a little snug the upper is different as well the speedwork is just geared more toward training and both are very stable
They are really similar looking and on foot. The only difference that's meaningful is the plate - other than that they feel identical. I got a little more speed assistance in the carbon but it's almost an endorphin speed 2 vs pro 2 situation where the rides are super close together. Speedworks would make a great budget racer like the speed 2
Tyr is the norse god of war, and the namesake of Tuesday (Tyrs day). Older spellings of Tyr is Tiwaz or Teiwaz he etymology is related to the greek god Zeus, and the original deus/divas meaning simply "god" in latin. Pretty damn interesting when you read up on it!
Go Nittos! I have them on my truck. I like them more than BFGs. They aren’t as loud. Same rolling resistance. But have been more durable than BFG.
Thanks dude super helpful. How's the off-road performance? I don't do anything crazy but need good grip in the mud since it rains so much in NC. The BFGs were amazing in the mud
@@supwell they do well off-roading in the Colorado mountains. Never had issues with mud, they are on par with bfg for mud. Great snow traction.
Those are some clean looking shoes! Will be interesting to see how quickly they get dirty as you push to 100 with them. Agree with you that they probably should've used a black outsole, but looks like you'll be turning it black anyway 😆
White shoes are easiest to create “patina,” and they show.
Scotch guard them.
Both these and the carbon looks amazing, thinking of picking the carbon, just finding a way to ship it to brazil
"nice and flat all the way up to the metatarsals, just kidding" 🤣🤣 almost choked on my food
😂
As a mid to forefoot striker, foam in the front of the shoe is more important than the heel, so low drop shoes like the TYR that put a few more mm in the forefoot appeal to me. The flat bottom of this one concerns me though, as my favorite shoes, like Mach 5 and ES3, feature good rockers.
Tyr speedworks vs elite? If you just can get one... training for a half marathon and running it?
Thanks for the review! Do you think these would be a good tempo day shoe for someone training for his first marathon and looking at a 3:40 to 3:50 finish? I am 6' 1" 170lbs.
Absolutely - perfect use case for this shoe! I'm around the same size and loved it. It's great at that 7 minute pace range where you're be doing a lot of those tempo runs
@@supwell My tempo runs won't be nearly that fast unless I'm doing my calculations wrong. Goal marathon pace will be 8:20 or 8:30 maybe. Easy runs in 9:00 to 10:00 range. I'm similar size to you, but much slower, so wondering if that will make this shoe awkward. Looking forward to the plateless Topo Specter 2 in a few months, might be more my speed. Thanks for the quick response!
@@kmshultz my bad on the pace range - still a good choice!
A bit late to the party here, I got a pair of Speedworks and absolutely love them. But after a few 10k+ runs, I found the hardened piece at the toe box upper area gave me pretty serious black big toenails (from toenails banging against the hard fabric). I have never had this in any other shoes in the past. And the length of the shoe TTS for me vs other well fitting shoes. Wondering if you came across this issue?
it definitely feels short to me at the front in my normal size. i think i could've gone up half a size and that would've resolved the issue - i believe it's because of the aggressive toe curve at the front
REALLY tempted by these but I’ve got like 20 miles on a new ES3 I picked up on sale. Makes me hesitate.
Yeah probably not worth it to have both if your speed 3 is brand new. This is a little firmer and I think will hold up better for 2+ hour long runs but they are pretty similar
Ordered a pair from a Spanish outlet to the UK. Not sold anywhere in UK. Hac to go for the black colour as there going to get me through a wet winter, white shoes in UK winter are a no go!
Hows the sizing been for you? Was thinking of picking up a pair from runnerinn, im in the uk also.
Do you notice a difference in stiffness between the Elite Carbon and the Speedworks? I need a stiff daily trainer and I understand carbon is usually stiffer, but if there isn't much of a difference, the Speedworks becomes attractive as it is significantly cheaper.
The Speedworks is plenty stiff with the plastic plate - if that's what you're looking for I'd go with the Speedworks and save a bit of money
@@supwell this may seem like a simple question/answer, but it is actually really helpful information for me. I'm struggling with a Morton's neuroma and have been recommended a less flexible shoe to help with the condition. So now I'm looking for something that combines stiffness, versatility, and a larger toe box.
I simply wouldn't be able to find this kind of information anywhere else.
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer it 🙏
Ps.: your channel rocks!
thank you and glad I can help! Btw if size of toe box is a concern you may want to go up half a size. Width was good but they run a little snug
I have skyward X and i think is the best combination of cushioning and bouncie, do you think speedworks is more bouncie without sacrifice cushioning?
The skyward x is the bounciest shoe I have! I would only take the Speedworks for shorter and faster runs over the skyward x
Lesgo!!!!!
Hi. What’s the supwell code for Tyr again? I’m trying planning to get this one soon.
Thanks
Awesome! It is "supwell" - thank you for the support!
How's this bounce and fit versus the Superblast 2?
what wins for the "fun" factor? The Speedworks or the Mizuno Neo Vista?
need to get some more miles in both! but i remember the speedworks being a little firmer and the neo vista having more of a roll. but i haven't done true workouts in either
I just got mine today. It said anatomical toebox shape but it’s just barely wide enough for my wide feet :( other than that they feel good
Yeah I think it’s intended to be a anatomical foot shape but is a racing shoe so I think it’s still suppose to feel like a a racing snug fit
Anatomical toe box sadly does not automatically mean wide foot shape. It simply means there's more room for the toes. Topo has an anatomical toe box but quite narrow midfoot too.
@@successfulstone the midfoot is okay for me, it is my toes that are still being crushed in the front. I’m going to keep wearing it and hope it loosens up a bit. The shoe feels great
Nitro ridge grappler imo. I've had them on 2 trucks.
sweet that's top of the list right now
Speed works seems very similar to the end speed 1? The goat of running shoes. Anyone got any thoughts on that comparison?
I have a pair of the Speed 2, which is same midsole as Speed 1. The TYR is definitely similar! It's noticeably firmer then the Saucony at slower paces but similar bounce and roll
Falken Wildpeak A/T3W good tire for the jeep
Take the insole out of the Saucony pro4 and put the insole from the Saucony endorphin pro2/speed 2 in the pro4..I think you will like the pro4 much better with the best insole Saucony has made for years..
I've gotta try that - thanks for the tip
I know Saucony has implemented their pwrrun plus insoles in many of their trainers. I bought a few pairs from insole geeks, a 3rd party seller specialized in various insoles. It’s unfortunate Saucony doesn’t sell their insoles separately.
Hello your Web site is great but there is nothing about walking and GYM WORK OUT shoes top 10 every day use THANK YOU.
thanks for the feedback - i'll make sure to add some on walking and gym use. i appreciate the support!
I want to try this shoe so badly but they don’t make a women’s version. They simply market the standard men’s width D as a woman’s shoe on their website which is b.s. I understand it’s a new market for them but no way am I spending any money much less $170 on a shoe designed for a wider foot.
These or Boston 12’s?
It is hard for me personally to take anything over my beloved Boston 12s lol but I think people who found the bostons too firm will really like these. They're more cushioned and slightly firmer than the endorphin speeds but a good amount softer out of the box than a fresh pair of bostons. Also the rocker in these is a bit smoother than the bostons for forefoot landing
@@supwellpicked up the Speedworks. For what I do I don’t think I need the Boston 12 quite yet. Plus I love my TYR trainers so excited to give there a try.
amazing - let me know how you like them@@tuckertech
@@supwell will do! I’m hoping they may be good for my 5k coming up too.
Boston is definitely more stable and firmer. Really different. Speedworks are bit unstable IMO. They have an inward slant to the midsole like an Asics vs the slightly outward slant of the Boston or Endo Speed. I don't pronate but you definitely feel it in your ankles, arches, and calves first few runs in the speedworks coming from the Boston.
Let’s go!!!
TYR describes the shoe as "anatomical toebox" that toebox looks so far from being "anatomical" 😂😂
You get a welcome discount of 10% off this shoe before tax, along with free shipping. 😊
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Great vid and thanks for getting the TYR name correct. Now can you start saying Pew- Ma correct as well please. Like over 80% of the world's runners do, including PUMA themselves. Instead of some slang which means SH1T.😅
Since Puma uses the cat as a logo, it makes absolutely no sense to pronounce it any different than said cat. But then again, most Americans make a mess of Adidas too.
@@theghostofpcs2391 I don’t find it a big deal to pronounce the brand name differently from country to country. What matters is it conveys. The opposing pronunciations of words like “tomato, “potato,” “either,” or “neither”can differ in American and British English. Let’s call the whole thing off…
Poo Ma 😂
@@DarkPa1adin yeah that’s how we Yankees pronounce it. lol