When I learned to fly and got my IFR rating, Victor airways were our only options, unless you were rich and had an RNAV. :) ALL of our IFR flying was on airways. If we were lucky, we would have TWO VOR receivers, so we could triangulate without switching back and forth. We are so spoiled nowadays...
@@ScottsSynthStuff This is a very bad move by the FAA. America's adversaries can jam GPS, or knock the satellites out of orbit. Then we've only got the MON. Very bad move by the FAA.
I really enjoyed this vid. I taught myself VOR nav in the sim by flying multiple flights exactly like this, it's pretty enjoyable to be more engaged int he flying and nav. The take away for me here today was using the cross-radial from an off-track VOR to establish a position on track, that's good !
It sure is different today with the capabilites of GPS. Dual VORs, glideslope, marker beacons and ADF was luxury to me. NDB approaches were another kind of challenge considering the effect of a crosswind. Who remembers "double the angle off the bow"? Area navigation in our heads!
Great video. For fun I put this flight plan into ForeFlight and ran a briefing. Especially for VOR’s I want to make sure they are working and/or usable. For the planned flight the EMI VOR has a host of unusable sectors, however the planned flight will work (barely). The same cannot be said for the CFB VOR which is currently in an unmonitored state (NOT MNT) meaning it MIGHT work, but you cannot plan on it working. It’s unfortunate that VOR’s routinely cannot be used for navigation.
With the GPS spoofing and other threats by our enemy, it is shortsighted to decommission legacy navigation aids. In a pinch you can even use AM broadcast stations on the ADF if you’re not near an NDB.
Point-to-point as the Navy calls it, fix-to-fix as the Air Force does. If you have dme with the VORs, you can get from the airport to BELTS. No GPS required.
My CFI is working on his CFII and is having me practice VOR nav along with GPS. I really like the idea of radio waypoints as a "just in case" and it sorta feels like flying in the "olden days." Also, I'm doubtful with today's prices i'll be able to afford a plane kitted-out with that magenta line; VORs allows for extended use of thousands of old (but still viable) planes. If only the Gov't would stop retiring these stations!!
My plane only has VORs, no GPS. I might be upgrading to a /I soon, so I can program a waypoint by a radial/DME from a vortac. Re no GPS, just put “No GPS” in the remarks of the flight plan
Lack of foresight from some. Remember how the whole system went down in Nov 2022? Jeppesen was hacked and databases weren’t updating properly. Then January 2023, we lost a day due to a corrupt file. Shows how highly robust systems like GPS actually lack resilience. Now consider European flights suffering jamming. Don’t need to take out satellites to crash GPS.
What simulator website or app do you use? I am having a hard time with not getting fixated so id like to work on my scan. Any tips or apps that can help me practice?
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When I learned to fly and got my IFR rating, Victor airways were our only options, unless you were rich and had an RNAV. :) ALL of our IFR flying was on airways. If we were lucky, we would have TWO VOR receivers, so we could triangulate without switching back and forth. We are so spoiled nowadays...
It would be hard to do today, as so many VORs are decommissioned.
@@ScottsSynthStuff This is a very bad move by the FAA. America's adversaries can jam GPS, or knock the satellites out of orbit. Then we've only got the MON. Very bad move by the FAA.
Great presentation. Thanks
I really enjoyed this vid. I taught myself VOR nav in the sim by flying multiple flights exactly like this, it's pretty enjoyable to be more engaged int he flying and nav. The take away for me here today was using the cross-radial from an off-track VOR to establish a position on track, that's good !
It sure is different today with the capabilites of GPS. Dual VORs, glideslope, marker beacons and ADF was luxury to me. NDB approaches were another kind of challenge considering the effect of a crosswind. Who remembers "double the angle off the bow"? Area navigation in our heads!
Great video. For fun I put this flight plan into ForeFlight and ran a briefing. Especially for VOR’s I want to make sure they are working and/or usable. For the planned flight the EMI VOR has a host of unusable sectors, however the planned flight will work (barely). The same cannot be said for the CFB VOR which is currently in an unmonitored state (NOT MNT) meaning it MIGHT work, but you cannot plan on it working. It’s unfortunate that VOR’s routinely cannot be used for navigation.
I love VOR navigation. Super fun.
With the GPS spoofing and other threats by our enemy, it is shortsighted to decommission legacy navigation aids. In a pinch you can even use AM broadcast stations on the ADF if you’re not near an NDB.
Point-to-point as the Navy calls it, fix-to-fix as the Air Force does. If you have dme with the VORs, you can get from the airport to BELTS. No GPS required.
My CFI is working on his CFII and is having me practice VOR nav along with GPS. I really like the idea of radio waypoints as a "just in case" and it sorta feels like flying in the "olden days." Also, I'm doubtful with today's prices i'll be able to afford a plane kitted-out with that magenta line; VORs allows for extended use of thousands of old (but still viable) planes. If only the Gov't would stop retiring these stations!!
My plane only has VORs, no GPS. I might be upgrading to a /I soon, so I can program a waypoint by a radial/DME from a vortac.
Re no GPS, just put “No GPS” in the remarks of the flight plan
Maybe I'm just a big ole nerd but, I happen to LOVE flying VOR to VOR. Like, ..... A LOT - LOL
VOR at my main city airport is under threat of being stopped as its old tech and gps is the norm.
Lack of foresight from some. Remember how the whole system went down in Nov 2022? Jeppesen was hacked and databases weren’t updating properly. Then January 2023, we lost a day due to a corrupt file. Shows how highly robust systems like GPS actually lack resilience. Now consider European flights suffering jamming. Don’t need to take out satellites to crash GPS.
What simulator website or app do you use? I am having a hard time with not getting fixated so id like to work on my scan. Any tips or apps that can help me practice?
Microsoft Flight Sim 2020. And with a decent computer it looks like. Wish mine ran that smooth when I run the cloud rendering up that high!
Binghamton VOR (CFB) is 11(ONE) 2.2, vs. audio statement of 12(TWO)2.2; @ 3:40 within the video.
Very well done but for complete noob navigation boobs like me, I got lost real fast. Sigh.