Imagine if Marciano could see today, the stamina in 1968 was amazing compared to today where they gas out in round 6 and have to have cool down rounds a concept that didn't exist back then.
All You have to do is listen to the video and realize that nobody worked harder. That he trained for 15 to 25 rounds. Like Jack Johnson .... that there was nobody that was going to outlast him ... He hit as hard in the last round as he did in the first. Undefeated... End of story.
Hard not to recall photos of Rocky praying in church for Carmine Vingo, whom he almost killed in a pre-title fight. Whatever you make of that, he was a man who craved focus, devotion, intensity. The comparison of him to a monk by his friends, which Rocky refers to, makes perfect sense. An impressive guy.
NOVEMBER 1990 RING MAGAZINE ISSUE -- has an interview with Roland Lastarza about his two bouts vs Rocky Marciano. Lastarza was interviewed by James Dusgate:: About their 1st fight Rollie said that Rocky was unusually cautious in the early rounds. "I wondered what he was up to, I'd thought he would come at me, bombing away. When I saw him jabbing and trying to box, I didn't know whether it was a trap or not. So I just stood back and did what I'd planned to do, jab and move." Lastarza recalled, "I knew how close the fight was, everyone did. But overall I'm sure as income taxes that I outscored him. "I honestly feel I was the winner. The Associated Press had it 5-4-1 for me. Every reporter gave me the decision. I was robbed." "Before the first fight Al Weill promised us a return immediately if the fight was close. The next day he said, "We don't want to go back"..After that he avoided us like the plague. I did get frustrated here was Marciano making a bundle while I was fighting for peanuts." Lastarza discounted the stories about the damage Marciano supposedly inflicted on his arms in their second fight. "There was a rumor after the fight that he hurt my shoulders and arms a lot, but the truth was that I had weak elbows from the fight before, and they were giving me trouble. They really went bad during the training before the Marciano fight. With the state of my elbows I really could not give a good account of myself. During the fight I was under the influence of pain-killers and I really needed them." "Marciano couldn't hit me on the behind for the first five rounds.Then in the sixth I got a shot on my bad elbow, the strength went out of me, and I just stood there from then on. I couldn't move, I took it for five more rounds. They claimed he was punishing me instead of kayoing me, but he was doing his damndest to knock me out, and he couldn't do it for those five rounds because I took a good punch. I was still standing when they stopped the fight."
@Bobby D "Supplemental points system used by NY from 1920's until 1980's was misused, it was a joke to please boxing's lowlife, aka lowly elements." -- written by Jan Lubek 2013 Biography & Autobiography. Marciano vs LaStarza took place March 24, 1950, at New York’s Madison Square Garden. The judges scorecards were 5--4 , 4--5 and 5--5. Today that would be a draw. However under New York States suspicious boxing rules in 1950 a very controversial supplemental 15 point system was used to break ties. For some reason a draw was considered an unpalatable result for New York, Brockton, and Providence the epicenter for Italian Mobsters who ruled or monopolized boxing. Directly after the draw was announced several men dressed in white shirts and ties briefly appeared for a short discussion. Needless to say referee Jack Watson, the man who had just officially scored the fight five rounds apiece, flipped his original 5--5 draw decision to a 9--6 score in favor of Marciano. LaStarza figured he had not gotten a fair shake despite being a New Yorker. He told the New York Herald Tribune, "The fact is [Marciano's] manager Al Weill is the matchmaker for the Garden. I would say that had a lot to do with the decision." The Associated Press had LaStarza winning the bout 5-4-1 A United Press Correspondent agreed with LaStarza. He wrote, "LaStarza had such an edge in the in-fighting that all of the boxing writer's scored for the New Yorker. 13,658 New Yorker fans were not happy." Jessie Abramson of the New York Daily Herald called the decision "paper thin and exceedingly odd." According to newspaper reports, it was condemned around ringside as a miscarriage of justice. "Rocky himself admitted he was lucky in the first LaStarza fight" -- written by Jan Lubek page 45 of his book: LUBEK'S THREELOGY THE SWEET SCIENCE 2: IS ROCKY, THE 'BROCKTON BLOCKBUSTER' 50-0? -CLASSIC BOXING!!! LaStarza maintained he had been robbed until the very day he died in 2009 at age 82
@Bobby D "After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Ezzard Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police" -- Wikipedia "In the early fifties, Arcel apparently ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC), known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran" -- INTERNATIONAL BOXING HALL OF FAME
@Bobby D Organized in 1921 The National Boxing Association (NBA) officially became The World Boxing Association (WBA) in 1962. But the NBA was only sanctioned in 13 states during the 40's & 50's ..Hence Jim Norris, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in America, with the help of Blinky Palermo and Frankie Carbo (two of New York’s most notorious mobsters) they created the IBC and monopolized boxing and everybody involved. The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) was a corporation formed by James D. Norris in 1949 to promote boxing bouts at Madison Square Garden, Polo Grounds, Yankee Stadium, St. Nicholas Arena, Chicago Stadium and Detroit Olympia. Long story short Judge Sylvester Ryan of the U.S. District Court decided the IBC of New York was a monopoly and ordered its dissolution. The decisions were appealed but confirmed on January 12, 1959 by the U.S. Supreme Court.
The 1947 Walcott that lost first fight against Joe Louis,, (which he should have won),, would have easily beaten Marciano in 52 because his legs would have carried him through rounds 13 14 and 15. Five year's made all the difference when you're an athlete on the world stage. Experience can take a fighter only so far when their legs and reflexes stop reacting fast enough (look what happened to Ali). Can someone explain to me scientifically and mathematically how 41yr old Moore, 39yr old Walcott and 37yr old Louis were more prime compared to when they were 27yrs old? Age slowed Ali down at 33. Age slowed Frazier down at 31. Age slowed Marciano down at 31 because he couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines. Age slows down every human,, except for Louis Walcott and Moore of course. How old was Moore when he fought Ali in 1962? Everywhere you look says, "49 or even older." 62 - 49 = 13 or 1913 was the year Moore was born. Correct? So that makes Moore 41yrs of age when he fought Marciano not 37. Correct?
Marciano lovers 💕 adore little Rocky's high-work-rate, but 6'2" 237 lb Ike "The President" Ibeabuchi threw a record breaking 975 punches vs David Tua in their 12 round fight, more than tiny penguin🐧arms was capable of. Authentic Heavyweight Ibeabuchi would've manhandled small Rocco and smashed him like a 🍇 grape
@@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685 why are you bringing up losers. Bring that commentary to the losers conversation on another video. This is for the greatest undefeated Heavyweight of all time Rocky Marciano.
bhop was undoutedley in his prime at 37 while he was more beatable at 27. Archie Moore and Jersey Joe were both the rare breed of fighters that truly peaked late, their records, accomplishments and resumes attest to it, ignoring the facts is disingenuous
Lol I find it funny reading these comments on Rocky and his size.. I'd love to see these clown talkers get in the ring with him hahaha. By these stupid comments then Mike Tyson should also have never beaten anyone bigger then him.
Exactly or Henry Armstrong or Roberto Duran or Harry Greb or Sam Langford all Dominated Bigger Guys in Higher Weight Classes Jesus Christ look what Dempsey did to Willard and Firpo, look what Joe Louis did to Buddy Bear, Abe Simon and Primo Carnera.. These modern fan boys are lost in no man's land or as Rocky would say there on the cutie side with there childish little snow flake era....
@@davidfitzgerald5110 Exactly what I've been trying to tell these modern fanboy clowns.. Power is power...some have it some don't.. When Marciano could sher teeth off at the gums and destroy nerves in opponents forearms...you can fight anyone.
Imagine if Marciano could see today, the stamina in 1968 was amazing compared to today where they gas out in round 6 and have to have cool down rounds a concept that didn't exist back then.
Wonderful insights from the all-time heavyweight champ of champions!
All You have to do is listen to the video and realize that nobody worked harder. That he trained for 15 to 25 rounds. Like Jack Johnson .... that there was nobody that was going to outlast him ... He hit as hard in the last round as he did in the first. Undefeated...
End of story.
The Rock mentions Frazier. Dream match
The best
Hard not to recall photos of Rocky praying in church for Carmine Vingo, whom he almost killed in a pre-title fight. Whatever you make of that, he was a man who craved focus, devotion, intensity. The comparison of him to a monk by his friends, which Rocky refers to, makes perfect sense. An impressive guy.
One of my favorite kind of training camp ngl
Thank you for these videos
Thank you for this.
Awesome thanks
Thx for this vid bro
NOVEMBER 1990 RING MAGAZINE ISSUE -- has an interview with Roland Lastarza about his two bouts vs Rocky Marciano. Lastarza was interviewed by James Dusgate::
About their 1st fight Rollie said that Rocky was unusually cautious in the early rounds.
"I wondered what he was up to, I'd thought he would come at me, bombing away. When I saw him jabbing and trying to box, I didn't know whether it was a trap or not. So I just stood back and did what I'd planned to do, jab and move."
Lastarza recalled, "I knew how close the fight was, everyone did. But overall I'm sure as income taxes that I outscored him. "I honestly feel I was the winner. The Associated Press had it 5-4-1 for me. Every reporter gave me the decision. I was robbed."
"Before the first fight Al Weill promised us a return immediately if the fight was close. The next day he said, "We don't want to go back"..After that he avoided us like the plague. I did get frustrated here was Marciano making a bundle while I was fighting for peanuts."
Lastarza discounted the stories about the damage Marciano supposedly inflicted on his arms in their second fight. "There was a rumor after the fight that he hurt my shoulders and arms a lot, but the truth was that I had weak elbows from the fight before, and they were giving me trouble. They really went bad during the training before the Marciano fight. With the state of my elbows I really could not give a good account of myself. During the fight I was under the influence of pain-killers and I really needed them."
"Marciano couldn't hit me on the behind for the first five rounds.Then in the sixth I got a shot on my bad elbow, the strength went out of me, and I just stood there from then on. I couldn't move, I took it for five more rounds. They claimed he was punishing me instead of kayoing me, but he was doing his damndest to knock me out, and he couldn't do it for those five rounds because I took a good punch. I was still standing when they stopped the fight."
@Bobby D That article is real. Why would you say it's not? John McLaughlin wrote about it. Why are you so angry?
@Bobby D It was the FIRST fight Roland was knocked down in the 4th, not the SECOND fight!!! READING COMPREHENSION IS OBVIOUSLY LACKING!!!
@Bobby D "Supplemental points system used by NY from 1920's until 1980's was misused, it was a joke to please boxing's lowlife, aka lowly elements." -- written by Jan Lubek 2013 Biography & Autobiography.
Marciano vs LaStarza took place March 24, 1950, at New York’s Madison Square Garden. The judges scorecards were 5--4 , 4--5 and 5--5. Today that would be a draw. However under New York States suspicious boxing rules in 1950 a very controversial supplemental 15 point system was used to break ties.
For some reason a draw was considered an unpalatable result for New York, Brockton, and Providence the epicenter for Italian Mobsters who ruled or monopolized boxing.
Directly after the draw was announced several men dressed in white shirts and ties briefly appeared for a short discussion. Needless to say referee Jack Watson, the man who had just officially scored the fight five rounds apiece, flipped his original 5--5 draw decision to a 9--6 score in favor of Marciano.
LaStarza figured he had not gotten a fair shake despite being a New Yorker. He told the New York Herald Tribune, "The fact is [Marciano's] manager Al Weill is the matchmaker for the Garden. I would say that had a lot to do with the decision."
The Associated Press had LaStarza winning the bout 5-4-1
A United Press Correspondent agreed with LaStarza. He wrote, "LaStarza had such an edge in the in-fighting that all of the boxing writer's scored for the New Yorker. 13,658 New Yorker fans were not happy."
Jessie Abramson of the New York Daily Herald called the decision "paper thin and exceedingly odd." According to newspaper reports, it was condemned around ringside as a miscarriage of justice.
"Rocky himself admitted he was lucky in the first LaStarza fight" -- written by Jan Lubek page 45 of his book: LUBEK'S THREELOGY THE SWEET SCIENCE 2: IS ROCKY, THE 'BROCKTON BLOCKBUSTER' 50-0? -CLASSIC BOXING!!!
LaStarza maintained he had been robbed until the very day he died in 2009 at age 82
@Bobby D "After some disputes with president Jim Norris of The International Boxing Club of New York in the 1950s, Ray Arcel (trainer for Ezzard Charles) retired from training after being injured with a lead pipe during an attack in Boston. The case that was never solved by police" -- Wikipedia
"In the early fifties, Arcel apparently ran afoul of organized crime after arranging fights for the ABC television network. The matches competed with other network television fights run by The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC), known to have underworld ties. In September 1953, in front of a Boston hotel, Arcel was struck on the head with a lead pipe. Many believed that the assault was related to his work in television. Arcel recovered but dropped out of boxing soon after the incident. Not until the early 1970s did Arcel return. He began an eight-year association with Roberto Duran" -- INTERNATIONAL BOXING HALL OF FAME
@Bobby D Organized in 1921 The National Boxing Association (NBA) officially became The World Boxing Association (WBA) in 1962. But the NBA was only sanctioned in 13 states during the 40's & 50's ..Hence Jim Norris, one of the wealthiest and most powerful men in America, with the help of Blinky Palermo and Frankie Carbo (two of New York’s most notorious mobsters) they created the IBC and monopolized boxing and everybody involved.
The International Boxing Club of New York (IBC) was a corporation formed by James D. Norris in 1949 to promote boxing bouts at Madison Square Garden, Polo Grounds, Yankee Stadium, St. Nicholas Arena, Chicago Stadium and Detroit Olympia. Long story short Judge Sylvester Ryan of the U.S. District Court decided the IBC of New York was a monopoly and ordered its dissolution. The decisions were appealed but confirmed on January 12, 1959 by the U.S. Supreme Court.
The 1947 Walcott that lost first fight against Joe Louis,, (which he should have won),, would have easily beaten Marciano in 52 because his legs would have carried him through rounds 13 14 and 15. Five year's made all the difference when you're an athlete on the world stage. Experience can take a fighter only so far when their legs and reflexes stop reacting fast enough (look what happened to Ali).
Can someone explain to me scientifically and mathematically how 41yr old Moore, 39yr old Walcott and 37yr old Louis were more prime compared to when they were 27yrs old? Age slowed Ali down at 33. Age slowed Frazier down at 31. Age slowed Marciano down at 31 because he couldn't take the pain anymore from two confirmed nose surgeries, hand surgery, hundreds of stitches, chronic back pain and constant migraines. Age slows down every human,, except for Louis Walcott and Moore of course.
How old was Moore when he fought Ali in 1962? Everywhere you look says, "49 or even older." 62 - 49 = 13 or 1913 was the year Moore was born. Correct? So that makes Moore 41yrs of age when he fought Marciano not 37. Correct?
Marciano lovers 💕 adore little Rocky's high-work-rate, but 6'2" 237 lb Ike "The President" Ibeabuchi threw a record breaking 975 punches vs David Tua in their 12 round fight, more than tiny penguin🐧arms was capable of. Authentic Heavyweight Ibeabuchi would've manhandled small Rocco and smashed him like a 🍇 grape
@@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685 nobody knows who ibeabuchi and thought no one cant beat rocky
@@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685 why are you bringing up losers. Bring that commentary to the losers conversation on another video. This is for the greatest undefeated Heavyweight of all time Rocky Marciano.
bhop was undoutedley in his prime at 37 while he was more beatable at 27. Archie Moore and Jersey Joe were both the rare breed of fighters that truly peaked late, their records, accomplishments and resumes attest to it, ignoring the facts is disingenuous
@@blackDavidFrost-n-desmoines685u "Marciano trolls" need go out more lmao I'm embarrassed for u
Like Hagler
🙏👑
Lol I find it funny reading these comments on Rocky and his size..
I'd love to see these clown talkers get in the ring with him hahaha.
By these stupid comments then Mike Tyson should also have never beaten anyone bigger then him.
Exactly or Henry Armstrong or Roberto Duran or Harry Greb or Sam Langford all Dominated Bigger Guys in Higher Weight Classes Jesus Christ look what Dempsey did to Willard and Firpo, look what Joe Louis did to Buddy Bear, Abe Simon and Primo Carnera.. These modern fan boys are lost in no man's land or as Rocky would say there on the cutie side with there childish little snow flake era....
@@davidfitzgerald5110
Exactly what I've been trying to tell these modern fanboy clowns..
Power is power...some have it some don't..
When Marciano could sher teeth off at the gums and destroy nerves in opponents forearms...you can fight anyone.
☝️ best #1
Wow he died a year later. You could tell he would of lived for a time time has it not been for the plane crash. Rip champ
So final death. 1969 he died.
I think it's only right i be the 49th like for this vid
Not one of the trolls who hate on rocky could never or will ever come close to accomplishing anything he did. Just basement dwelling keyboard warriors