I went 3 years without a license suspended from a dui.. I rode a motorized bike ( with pedals) & got pulled over 5 times. Each time they let me go. It came down to pedals, mirror, flashing rear light & most importantly a helmet. All of the cops asked for my license but didn't have they commented on they liked how I was being safe & let me go. This was a 49cc gas motorized bike. All of my ebikes have pedals even though I rarely pedal. I really like your attitude. You are a good guy. Ty for posting this video
For real! Police tried to pull me over on my EUC a few weeks back. Something told me not to stop, later in the evening i looked on their Facebook page and found they were targeting E bikes in that area. The same day they seized a child’s 10mph restricted bike and put a warning to me that’s im now on their radar
I am in the UK Police don't bother stopping me maybe at 70 i look like harmless old man , at my time of life I dont give 2 s##ts , I intend to enjoy what time I might have left , if that mean prison meeting new friends then so be it 🤣
@GarrusVakarian-to2uh in Spain is just a 300€+ fine, jail time seems overkill. Not even in Germany you get jail time. Are you french? It sounds like you are just a big troll 👹
You could face jail time. But USA is so probation happy, they give probation left and right, medium crime, little crime, most of the time it's probation. I was facing ten years for three aggravated assaults, got probation....
That's cuz in the big city, cops got bigger fish to fry than electric mini-moto riders. Same here in Los Angeles. But if you go out to the upper-middle-class suburbs, there's too many Karens around and they crack down.
Brother… I can relate to this more than you know. We have A LOT in common. Lost my license over 10 years ago for DUI’s. I have an Onyx RCR and a Surron. This gave me goosebumps. I’m so sorry brother. Best of luck.
Yes I liked having both my onyx and the talaria, but man the talaria (both of em) and of course ya know they're like surron alternatives - didn't get to keep either of em long.
There's a big community here in Jacksonville as well and the cops tend to not bother anyone. They ride in downtown areas that are fully policed without any major issues
It’s unethical what they did to you, I’m glad you put it on RUclips so people can see how unjust the law can be. Send you to jail while real criminals go Scott free. Does that cop really think he did what’s right? if he does he has a mental illness.
My opinion is he thought I was purposely disobeying the law - a law of which he represented as falsely understanding. I mean the very contrast of rules he explained in the arrest vid. Now imagine how discombobulated his education discussion he had with me was a month prior. He never allowed me to explain anything. I think at the end of the day he was going off what he considered a much more illegal and powerful bike and even then, the arrest wasn't necessarily appropriate. Now it's the prosecutor who is thinking and along with my flake attorney, that my sentence is absolutely appropriate, as if they don't know the major differences of a vehicle and a bike. Fuck em.
Definitely subbing. Be safe man, I'm sorry for what you're going through even though it won't help. Looking forward to seeing your next upload. Much love
if you are violating the rules stop signs, breaking speed limits, riding on the sidewalks and bike paths you are in violation if its a class III or Surron be warned.
Couldn’t you use fl statute 316.033 to help plea your case? Sold mine two years ago and got a bike that’s twice as fast as the surron and is an actual emtb
This right here... This is why I'm just making a custom bike with a conversion kit. For half the price of a surron I can build a bike that goes a little slower is completely street and side walk legal and IT HAS PEDALS. idk why people don't just go with the conversion kits and all if they have the money for one of these bikes. These bikes will catch you nothing but slack and they are much more expensive to fix up. Just not worth the hassle or the cost.
Damn im so sorry brother, i have my license so im really not worried and also ride a bike that looks like a bike, its fast but i do it for the freedom, it cost me nothing vs 70+$ a week on my steel coffin just getting to work. Hope everything works out for you!
We don't live in a free country. The government picks laws for fun. Also you can't have fun unless there is tax on it. Who is the government to dictate to us what we can and can't do and control every aspect of our lives without us having a say in it?
That’s really lousy. I get pulling someone over for riding like a jackass but this is way overboard. 10 year old DUIs and no license gets you that kind of punishment? For a e-bike?
@kingderpington6082 forget the law, pedals or not, if it's going over 28 its considered speeding. You can't say oh hey an e bike going 50mph, oh its just a super 73. That's nonsense. With that being said only difference in actual reality is the frame and lack of pedals.
@noahbarber817 that's not true, that's too dumb for me to ever understand, times have changed pedals don't matter, you can go 40+ on a goat, graffiti, or super 73, nothing makes sense when it comes to pedals if you're always using throttle, it's either you're speeding or not
@@mrspacely7320 you can only go 28mph if you have operable pedals and no throttle. If you have no operable pedals and a throttle it can only go 20mph.......
Here in CA, just tell them you are homeless, and they will give you 600K luxury condo for free! You can also steal and rob people, and they will let you go. Saying you are a law abiding citizen is the fastest way of getting into trouble!
Dang, hope that doesn't reflect your typical daily attitude. So much to be grateful for in life, and yes I know it's a struggle often. Been dealing with depression and anxiety for decades. Fox news, or any news for that matter just made things a LOT worse. I've got a Stealth bomber clone, and worry about the cops too. Hope you have a good day.
@@alphonsotate2982 No, they aren't. Those assertions are demonstrably, provably false ...undeniably. The disinfomation campaigns Americans are willing to swallow hook, line and sinker are astounding.
90 days is just ridiculous! Any time in jail is to be honest. People in the here in the UK get less time for violent offences 🤯 I’ve give you a sub as well bro, hopefully see you again soon
I'm so sorry to hear about your experience. I hope you can make the best use of jail time if it comes to that. Meditation has been a life saver for me, and with a little practice can be a very enjoyable way to spend time. Have you ever listened to Ram Dass? Really helps me keep things in perspective. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers. I'm in the Nokomis, FL area. Just curious what area you're in. Hang in there bud, you got this. If you want to talk, let me know.
Dude what the fuck you got arrested? I know You're very calm and Respectful they did you dirty This is why people don't like cops Be safe out there brother
San diego here, no license registration or insurance, they impounded my bike and gave me a 1500$ ticket. plus impound fees which took over a month to get a vin after it was taken. another 3k. $ 4.5k total.
Good video. The author describes a hard-learned lesson about riding an electric motorcycle that is not street legal, and what it can lead to. The public needs to be educated on what is legally an ebike, and what is not.
At least in California it's not all that grey area, and it's probably not in Florida either. An ebike has to have pedals, and a motor with a nominal wattage of 750W or less. It has to be 28mph max speed with no throttle (class 3) or 20mph max speed with a throttle (class 2). If it isn't that, it isn't a bike. Those Talaria and Sur Ron bikes live in a place where they are not legal on any public roads because they do not qualify as bikes, and do not have the required features to have a VIN and be registered as a motor vehicle. My ebikes are both pedal bikes that can legit be rode with pedal power alone. Both of them are technically illegal, both in terms of having throttles over 20mph, and in terms of being able to slightly eclipse 28mph (both of them can get into the low 30s with a full battery). They also both look like bikes, quack like bikes, and aren't so far removed from the legal limits as to be blatently illegal. I've never gotten as much as a glance from a cop. Anyway, point here is that a Sur Ron or Talaria is obviously not street legal, and a lot of places are cracking down on those. Just having pedals on a 45mph motor bike is likewise not going to save you if a cop clocks you at 45mph and cares/knows what the law on the bikes actually is. That cop misspoke, but he was not pulling the 28mph number out of his ass. The sidewalk laws have some variance by local, but a class 3 ebike is usually NOT allowed on sidewalks, so he was probably correct that you can't use it on a sidewalk. Having pedals on a bike that looks like it can be ridden like a bike at 28mph or there abouts probably is good enough to be left alone on roads and bike trails, but in most cases even that is illegal if it is throttle powered or if it tops 28mph. (also if a cop asks you about your motor, say something that claims or implies 750W... like "I'm not sure, but I think it said 750W", because that is also a gotcha).
Ebikes kill a lot of people. "I was riding a bike, bro." Is like saying, "I was just riding buzzed, bro." Going over 28 on an ebike is going over bicycle speeds while you still only have bicycle wheels and bicycle brakes.
I live in Alberta Canada and the cops are pretty chill in my city. I’m on a surron. Rode by two on foot the other day going slow and gave the old hello officer and a nod. Respect pedestrians and don’t ride like an a-hole in front of the police and you’re good.
Bro that's fucked up!! I bought Me and my wife bombers instead. They will hit 65mph and look similar to dual sport motorcycles but have functional pedals and pedal assist. You might wanna think about one of those maybe?? They're pretty much unlimited how much powered you can put into em and they have headlights, brake lights and turn signals.
I got a dui but I need a bike to commute to work. Do you think it’s not a wise idea to get a Sur-Ron? Even if I’m being respectful and staying the bike lane.
Couldn’t agree more. If I were operating an actual car, like ya know the ones that weight 3 or 4 thousand lbs and can fit actual people into, and forward their momentum at quite the speed… Than yea I would get it. Lol
only risking the lives of other people, and creating potentially incredibly dangerous situations for motor vehicles and pedestrians. And if he hits a car or a person he doesnt have insurance to cover the damages.
they have to be operable pedals, as in they have to be able to move the bike through the pedals alone, no electric motor. More over, even if it has operable pedals, it cant have a throttle if it goes above 20 mph.
@@kingderpington6082 bull 28 for me and we don't give a shit what you're slave masters say my bike goes 51 mph but we're not the same I'm not a frickin lowlife slave
The thing is an electric motorcycle, even mopeds were regulated back in the day, today it’s the Wild West, I got busted for riding mini bikes as a kid, just a fact of life.
Pretty bad these people in NY can go in and rob all these stores and not see a single night in jail and just get a slap on the hand but they slam you with a 90 day jail sentence for some stupid crap like this just shows how messed up our police system and laws really are
Do like me, i have DIY Mountain bike with a 3000W motor, 72V battery, it's faster than a Surron, has pedals and speeds, passes under the radar no problem, but don't ride on the sidewalks, it's dangerous.
There's simple solution to this. If you can afford surron, Talaria, eride or any other of these E-Motorcycles, you can afford to get a license and register them. Here in UK I have my surron registered and police never bothered me.
This is the problem with these bikes. I ride my Sur Ron a lot. Have a license and I ride on the sidewalk!! I don’t ride crazy and don’t ride like an ass. Also I don’t go over about 32mph max while on the sidewalk. 20-25mph is plenty. Don’t do wheelies. I abide the law as far as bikes go. Use the traffic buttons and cross the street slowly. I don’t even play!! And this is why!!! Also if you are trying to get one of these as you have a suspended license, buy a regular e bike that is limited to 28mph. And don’t be stupid. Nuff said
Ruining a person life over a bike is never okay. law-enforcement need to set laws regarding bikes instead of just going off a whim and arresting people. E bike Laws are sloppy because the tech is new and instead of using those resources to make new laws so people can read up on them follow an abide them. They just make up as they go. Usually when your already arrested. Even on a normal bike they ask questions if your in the rode for too long.
Sorry that happened to ya but thanks for sharing. Im in the 901 & the police here could care less that I'm on a Ron, but i do try to stay out their way by primarily riding side streets & bike lane roads. ☮️ & keep your head up.
Dang, I’m in central Florida and never had one issue on my Sting R. I do try to stay at 20mph on side walks next to big roads. Heck there is weekly group rides through the streets of Orlando every Wednesday. Cops here so far have been super Chill. But I ride mostly with Common sense to avoid a problem knowing it is a grey area.
I'm sorry to hear this happened to you, bro. Even though you were in the wrong, it's hard to know that others are getting away with way more than this in politics.
a sur ron is not a class 2, or any class of ebike in any state. It is legally classified as a moped or even just a motorcycle. This is the federal law, state laws can only make it more strict.
90 days in jail for riding a bilke is insane, that's typical American stuff, i'd have expected a very spicy fine, but being treated like a criminal like that is crazy
Feel bad for you Cuz, that's NUTS!!! It's the same here in the uk 🇬🇧 bra! Listen I've served nearly 10 in prison!!! 90 3 months will fly by trust me! Chin up brudda you'll be good I promise 👊🏽
@ArcherInTraining2 I know lol. Im the only rider in my area too. They'd be on me like flies on shit. I honestly ride mellow in the street. Either off to the side where bikes ride, and never faster than the speed of traffic.... no wheelies... nothing stupid. They don't mess with me
Wow, that sucks! Up here in Ontario Canada aperantly if the bike motor is over 500W you need insurance, reg etc, wich is total bs, mine is a 1500W hub motor and isnt very fast, has peddles, so if I get hassled I will have to spend way more money on a 500W mid drive which will be about the same touque and speed to have a decent ride, it is all these super ebikes and kids being goofs that is screwing it up for everybody.
So is there seriously nothing at all you can do about this, theres no way any judge will see this as right, 3 months jail time with real criminals for riding an electric bike
The laws in a lot of the way are behind the times and contradictory. I live in PA for example and a Moped requires a license, registration, and insurance and plates. It also has to be 50 cc or less and can't do over 25 mph. An ebike in this state must be padel assist only and can't do more than 20. Requires no license, registration, insurance or plates. But I'd be willing to bet almost no one knows that. Almost every ebike I see on the road and I see a lot of them now are 28 mph plus throttle bikes. Ever single one of those people is driving a motorcycle by legal definition. It's too fast to even be a moped. That's nutty. I feel for the police. How are they supposed to know at a glance if a bike is legal or not? Right now they are kind of at the mercy of peoples honesty except in cases where it's just simply obviously not true. Bikes with enormous motors for example or yeah bikes that don't have pedals so aren't bikes at all.
But it’s not a motorcycle, they won’t even let you register it as a motorcycle if you tried to. Putting this guy in jail for 3 months and ruining his job and his life and taking all of his money is just insane. Seriously, he didn’t hurt anyone or steal from anyone or do anything and at all. The judges should have looked at this and threw it out immediately, it’s just so wrong seriously, the way they use the legal system no longer serves us but does significant harm to certain people in society that do not deserve it and it’s only going to get worse unless we the people stand up and change the system ourselves by what ever means possible. What do you think I mean by that?
@@thirdeyesurvivor3886 if he had turn signals and lights on it he could register it... also, he was let off the hook and warned my guy. He flew too close to the sun
I’m like the last person to be bootlicking and so forth, but I think you aren’t understanding how you got here nor taking any responsibility on why this happened. It’s obvious that these bikes are not street legal and you got caught two different times by the police, as well as likely violating your parole which is why you are ending up in the klink. The faster you can truly realize the patterns of decisions that have got you here, fully taking responsibility, and then figuring out how to get your life going in the right direction would serve you well. All of the text whining about how the manufacturers need to do something is 100% blame shifting. You KNOW that the police will stop you for riding on the roads and so forth just like any other unregistered dirt bike. That’s squarely on you.
What the hell. I have a Spark Bandit and I even had Florida Highway Patrol clear me for riding anywhere so long as I have pedals, on top of the chief of police in my town riding mine and complimenting it. Your case got totally fucked around with man.
Not really sure why you are trying to make this a surron/emoto thing You spent 90 days in jail cause you were circumventing your court ordered license restriction from your apparently plural DUIs. Telling people to sell their surron is a strange way of coping with the fact that you fucked up and should have just worked to get your license back. Everyone else is fine though as long as they don't have a driving record like yours. Still illegal, but no one is going to jail for 90 days for riding surrons. It just doesn't happen, and it's not why you went to jail. You went to jail because the courts see it as you circumventing your license restriction and still riding a motorcycle, and even worse, doing it with no registration/insurance For anyone else, again, still illegal; but you are looking at a ticket, or at worst impounding your bike, not 90 days in jail.
Go and educate yourself on the real laws, a court/prosecutor must prove with factual evidence that you caused property damage or hurt someone for the court/prosecutor to have standing/jurisdiction over you and to hear the case, not a lawyer just someone who reads !
I hate this for you. The injustice is real. You should be able to travel on whatever you want even if it is a horse-drawn buggy. This kind of nonsense makes me angry.
You can’t ride an e bike on the street but can ride a road bike? Wtf man this cop is over reacting. I ride my road bike going 22 in a 15 in downtown state trooper’s don’t care. Best if luck bro you should drop your cash app or something so we can send something.
So you get pulled over , told it is ILLEGAL to ride that bike on the road or pavement. You then KEEP RIDING it , in THE SAME AREA , and surprise surprise, get pulled over by THE SAME OFFICER who told you it was illegal. I get that the punishment is harsh , but cmon man , what did you expect? No one is above the law , no matter how much that law sucks. I'm sure you will be very well liked and looked after in jail 😊
I went 3 years without a license suspended from a dui.. I rode a motorized bike ( with pedals) & got pulled over 5 times. Each time they let me go. It came down to pedals, mirror, flashing rear light & most importantly a helmet. All of the cops asked for my license but didn't have they commented on they liked how I was being safe & let me go. This was a 49cc gas motorized bike. All of my ebikes have pedals even though I rarely pedal. I really like your attitude. You are a good guy. Ty for posting this video
Thanks bro - they are fun 😄 thanks on the comment
France here, the law is only making an exemple of you. Every surron rider knows they have to flee if they see police
We've got no choice but to run away from the police over here in the UK.
Not having my talaria taken from me.
For real! Police tried to pull me over on my EUC a few weeks back. Something told me not to stop, later in the evening i looked on their Facebook page and found they were targeting E bikes in that area. The same day they seized a child’s 10mph restricted bike and put a warning to me that’s im now on their radar
@@Highvoltagedeliverythey ignore us in Newcastle 😂 well for the min
I am in the UK Police don't bother stopping me maybe at 70 i look like harmless old man , at my time of life I dont give 2 s##ts , I intend to enjoy what time I might have left , if that mean prison meeting new friends then so be it 🤣
jail time for riding an ebike what? is that the usa? wow
@GarrusVakarian-to2uh in Spain is just a 300€+ fine, jail time seems overkill. Not even in Germany you get jail time. Are you french? It sounds like you are just a big troll 👹
Past mistakes and bad decisions make for a tough row to hoe.
This isn’t normal lol. One dik head cop with a complex
You could face jail time. But USA is so probation happy, they give probation left and right, medium crime, little crime, most of the time it's probation. I was facing ten years for three aggravated assaults, got probation....
Its an e dirt bike not a ebike.@@klonebladez4884
This is crazy free bro. I live in Chicago with an E ride pro and get 0 hassles from the cops, even in the hottest parts downtown. Ride safe guys
That's cuz in the big city, cops got bigger fish to fry than electric mini-moto riders. Same here in Los Angeles. But if you go out to the upper-middle-class suburbs, there's too many Karens around and they crack down.
Brother… I can relate to this more than you know. We have A LOT in common. Lost my license over 10 years ago for DUI’s. I have an Onyx RCR and a Surron.
This gave me goosebumps.
I’m so sorry brother. Best of luck.
Yes I liked having both my onyx and the talaria, but man the talaria (both of em) and of course ya know they're like surron alternatives - didn't get to keep either of em long.
Im in St Pete FL, we have a massive e-bike community. Cops dont bother my sur ron so long as I ride polite, sit up straight, have lights, etc.
I was riding my Eride Pro the other day with my back hunched over. Maybe that's why I got pulled over. I'll try and sit up straight next time. 😂
There's a big community here in Jacksonville as well and the cops tend to not bother anyone. They ride in downtown areas that are fully policed without any major issues
I bet I've seen you down at North shore park
It’s unethical what they did to you, I’m glad you put it on RUclips so people can see how unjust the law can be. Send you to jail while real criminals go Scott free. Does that cop really think he did what’s right? if he does he has a mental illness.
My opinion is he thought I was purposely disobeying the law - a law of which he represented as falsely understanding. I mean the very contrast of rules he explained in the arrest vid. Now imagine how discombobulated his education discussion he had with me was a month prior. He never allowed me to explain anything. I think at the end of the day he was going off what he considered a much more illegal and powerful bike and even then, the arrest wasn't necessarily appropriate. Now it's the prosecutor who is thinking and along with my flake attorney, that my sentence is absolutely appropriate, as if they don't know the major differences of a vehicle and a bike. Fuck em.
It’s not just merely unethical.
It’s absolutely CRIMINAL.
Charged with vehicle codes for an e bike that cant be plated? @ImJustADroneinTheWorld
The cop was doing his basic duties in getting money for the city. That's all this is about.
@Alley-dw2fl in exchange for a check of course... wild what some people are willing to do for money.
WTF man !!! sorry to hear that !!! 90 days !!! be safe
where I live the police really dont care about surrons, they ask me to do wheelies for them lol
LoL
Yea they don't bother me either but I have a burromax tt1600but others have surrons the cops don't care
Definitely subbing. Be safe man, I'm sorry for what you're going through even though it won't help. Looking forward to seeing your next upload. Much love
"learn from your mistakes , and be careful ....
as he starts his bike up and rides away with no helmet, down the road :😐😐
if you are violating the rules stop signs, breaking speed limits, riding on the sidewalks and bike paths you are in violation if its a class III or Surron be warned.
Couldn’t you use fl statute 316.033 to help plea your case? Sold mine two years ago and got a bike that’s twice as fast as the surron and is an actual emtb
What bike did you end up getting?
I'm in upstate NY ride an e bike and never have any problems.... Seems like your being harassed.
nyc is a shit show for traffic lmao, you have to be doing some really stupid shit to get pulled over in nyc in a car or ebike lmao.
That the legal system. You not notice until it's too late. You live in totalitarism
This right here... This is why I'm just making a custom bike with a conversion kit. For half the price of a surron I can build a bike that goes a little slower is completely street and side walk legal and IT HAS PEDALS. idk why people don't just go with the conversion kits and all if they have the money for one of these bikes. These bikes will catch you nothing but slack and they are much more expensive to fix up. Just not worth the hassle or the cost.
Damn im so sorry brother, i have my license so im really not worried and also ride a bike that looks like a bike, its fast but i do it for the freedom, it cost me nothing vs 70+$ a week on my steel coffin just getting to work. Hope everything works out for you!
This was very informative, and I am sorry that you had to go through that, this has really opened my eyes, I'll just get something with pedals.
Man, you watch those sur ron guys in Texas and California and there are 60 people on these group rides and the cops say nothing!
Yea cops don’t care in Texas
We don't live in a free country. The government picks laws for fun. Also you can't have fun unless there is tax on it. Who is the government to dictate to us what we can and can't do and control every aspect of our lives without us having a say in it?
That’s really lousy. I get pulling someone over for riding like a jackass but this is way overboard. 10 year old DUIs and no license gets you that kind of punishment? For a e-bike?
Pedals don't matter, I don't understand why cops don't understand.
because its the federal law...... clearly you are not the one that understands.
They consider it a bike with petals with out pedals they consider it a motorcycle
@kingderpington6082 forget the law, pedals or not, if it's going over 28 its considered speeding. You can't say oh hey an e bike going 50mph, oh its just a super 73. That's nonsense. With that being said only difference in actual reality is the frame and lack of pedals.
@noahbarber817 that's not true, that's too dumb for me to ever understand, times have changed pedals don't matter, you can go 40+ on a goat, graffiti, or super 73, nothing makes sense when it comes to pedals if you're always using throttle, it's either you're speeding or not
@@mrspacely7320 you can only go 28mph if you have operable pedals and no throttle. If you have no operable pedals and a throttle it can only go 20mph.......
Here in CA, just tell them you are homeless, and they will give you 600K luxury condo for free! You can also steal and rob people, and they will let you go. Saying you are a law abiding citizen is the fastest way of getting into trouble!
What? You make Fox News look strangely accurate. lol
Dang, hope that doesn't reflect your typical daily attitude. So much to be grateful for in life, and yes I know it's a struggle often. Been dealing with depression and anxiety for decades. Fox news, or any news for that matter just made things a LOT worse. I've got a Stealth bomber clone, and worry about the cops too. Hope you have a good day.
@@OpenmindedHusker1 they are right
@@alphonsotate2982 No, they aren't. Those assertions are demonstrably, provably false ...undeniably. The disinfomation campaigns Americans are willing to swallow hook, line and sinker are astounding.
Dude I’m from Canada and that is 100 percent correct hahaha
90 days is just ridiculous! Any time in jail is to be honest. People in the here in the UK get less time for violent offences 🤯 I’ve give you a sub as well bro, hopefully see you again soon
I live and ride in the gray area here in Arizona. Watch out for your corn hole!!😂
Lmfao!
What part of Arizona. I’m in Prescott.
I'm so sorry to hear about your experience. I hope you can make the best use of jail time if it comes to that. Meditation has been a life saver for me, and with a little practice can be a very enjoyable way to spend time. Have you ever listened to Ram Dass? Really helps me keep things in perspective. I'll keep you in my thoughts and prayers. I'm in the Nokomis, FL area. Just curious what area you're in. Hang in there bud, you got this. If you want to talk, let me know.
I only live once I'm gonna enjoy life.
Dude what the fuck you got arrested? I know You're very calm and Respectful they did you dirty This is why people don't like cops Be safe out there brother
San diego here, no license registration or insurance, they impounded my bike and gave me a 1500$ ticket. plus impound fees which took over a month to get a vin after it was taken. another 3k.
$ 4.5k total.
Good video. The author describes a hard-learned lesson about riding an electric motorcycle that is not street legal, and what it can lead to. The public needs to be educated on what is legally an ebike, and what is not.
He doesn't have any money but he has a $5000 ebike.
That's his transportation. Plenty of people that don't have any money but have a car worth $5000
He is in America. Its focused solely around the car industry and not people being close to 3rd places , food, work or anything else.
At least in California it's not all that grey area, and it's probably not in Florida either. An ebike has to have pedals, and a motor with a nominal wattage of 750W or less. It has to be 28mph max speed with no throttle (class 3) or 20mph max speed with a throttle (class 2). If it isn't that, it isn't a bike. Those Talaria and Sur Ron bikes live in a place where they are not legal on any public roads because they do not qualify as bikes, and do not have the required features to have a VIN and be registered as a motor vehicle. My ebikes are both pedal bikes that can legit be rode with pedal power alone. Both of them are technically illegal, both in terms of having throttles over 20mph, and in terms of being able to slightly eclipse 28mph (both of them can get into the low 30s with a full battery). They also both look like bikes, quack like bikes, and aren't so far removed from the legal limits as to be blatently illegal. I've never gotten as much as a glance from a cop. Anyway, point here is that a Sur Ron or Talaria is obviously not street legal, and a lot of places are cracking down on those. Just having pedals on a 45mph motor bike is likewise not going to save you if a cop clocks you at 45mph and cares/knows what the law on the bikes actually is. That cop misspoke, but he was not pulling the 28mph number out of his ass. The sidewalk laws have some variance by local, but a class 3 ebike is usually NOT allowed on sidewalks, so he was probably correct that you can't use it on a sidewalk. Having pedals on a bike that looks like it can be ridden like a bike at 28mph or there abouts probably is good enough to be left alone on roads and bike trails, but in most cases even that is illegal if it is throttle powered or if it tops 28mph. (also if a cop asks you about your motor, say something that claims or implies 750W... like "I'm not sure, but I think it said 750W", because that is also a gotcha).
All this and you still say you’re not anti cop. We are jailing our citizens for riding a bike.
Ebikes kill a lot of people. "I was riding a bike, bro." Is like saying, "I was just riding buzzed, bro." Going over 28 on an ebike is going over bicycle speeds while you still only have bicycle wheels and bicycle brakes.
you mean an electric motorcycle...
This really sucks for you. Respect for the way you try to inform people.
I live in Alberta Canada and the cops are pretty chill in my city. I’m on a surron.
Rode by two on foot the other day going slow and gave the old hello officer and a nod.
Respect pedestrians and don’t ride like an a-hole in front of the police and you’re good.
Bro that's fucked up!! I bought Me and my wife bombers instead. They will hit 65mph and look similar to dual sport motorcycles but have functional pedals and pedal assist. You might wanna think about one of those maybe?? They're pretty much unlimited how much powered you can put into em and they have headlights, brake lights and turn signals.
Hi! Where can I find this bomber bike? Thanks for your time
Please do tell where we can get one
That's why I ride a ecells 5 star it goes 40 mph and it looks like a bicycle 😊
Jail? All those agencies and courts gotta be nuts...
I got a dui but I need a bike to commute to work. Do you think it’s not a wise idea to get a Sur-Ron? Even if I’m being respectful and staying the bike lane.
I’m suspended due to an accident and if I get in trouble one more time I go to jail
90 days for this is bs.
Couldn’t agree more. If I were operating an actual car, like ya know the ones that weight 3 or 4 thousand lbs and can fit actual people into, and forward their momentum at quite the speed… Than yea I would get it. Lol
only risking the lives of other people, and creating potentially incredibly dangerous situations for motor vehicles and pedestrians. And if he hits a car or a person he doesnt have insurance to cover the damages.
You can put a bottom bracket on any bike for peddles
they have to be operable pedals, as in they have to be able to move the bike through the pedals alone, no electric motor. More over, even if it has operable pedals, it cant have a throttle if it goes above 20 mph.
@@kingderpington6082 yes that's what a bottom bracket with crank set and sprocket do lol
@@kingderpington6082 bull 28 for me and we don't give a shit what you're slave masters say my bike goes 51 mph but we're not the same I'm not a frickin lowlife slave
The thing is an electric motorcycle, even mopeds were regulated back in the day, today it’s the Wild West, I got busted for riding mini bikes as a kid, just a fact of life.
It's an electric e bike, dirt bike at worst definition. Can't plate it. Completely different law broke
Pretty bad these people in NY can go in and rob all these stores and not see a single night in jail and just get a slap on the hand but they slam you with a 90 day jail sentence for some stupid crap like this just shows how messed up our police system and laws really are
Do like me, i have DIY Mountain bike with a 3000W motor, 72V battery, it's faster than a Surron, has pedals and speeds, passes under the radar no problem, but don't ride on the sidewalks, it's dangerous.
There's simple solution to this. If you can afford surron, Talaria, eride or any other of these E-Motorcycles, you can afford to get a license and register them. Here in UK I have my surron registered and police never bothered me.
Yepp, got fully comp' domestic use insurance on mine and it was 60 for the year. Why risk throwing it all away for a few quid.
Dude I’m in the same situation with my license and ride an eboard to get around. I moved out of state and can’t get my license until I move back.
This is the problem with these bikes. I ride my Sur Ron a lot. Have a license and I ride on the sidewalk!! I don’t ride crazy and don’t ride like an ass. Also I don’t go over about 32mph max while on the sidewalk. 20-25mph is plenty. Don’t do wheelies. I abide the law as far as bikes go. Use the traffic buttons and cross the street slowly. I don’t even play!! And this is why!!! Also if you are trying to get one of these as you have a suspended license, buy a regular e bike that is limited to 28mph. And don’t be stupid. Nuff said
Ruining a person life over a bike is never okay. law-enforcement need to set laws regarding bikes instead of just going off a whim and arresting people. E bike Laws are sloppy because the tech is new and instead of using those resources to make new laws so people can read up on them follow an abide them. They just make up as they go. Usually when your already arrested. Even on a normal bike they ask questions if your in the rode for too long.
Also i’d rather you commute on a bike then walk an have a heat stroke this heat aint no joke nowadays!
the laws arent sloppy at all, just most people and manufactures ignore them.....
Sorry that happened to ya but thanks for sharing. Im in the 901 & the police here could care less that I'm on a Ron, but i do try to stay out their way by primarily riding side streets & bike lane roads.
☮️ & keep your head up.
Dang, I’m in central Florida and never had one issue on my Sting R. I do try to stay at 20mph on side walks next to big roads. Heck there is weekly group rides through the streets of Orlando every Wednesday. Cops here so far have been super Chill. But I ride mostly with Common sense to avoid a problem knowing it is a grey area.
I'm sorry to hear this happened to you, bro. Even though you were in the wrong, it's hard to know that others are getting away with way more than this in politics.
Class 2 can be ridden anywhere including bike lanes, trails, and sidewalks. No license needed. No need to stop for law enforcement
a sur ron is not a class 2, or any class of ebike in any state. It is legally classified as a moped or even just a motorcycle. This is the federal law, state laws can only make it more strict.
What state is this being filmed in?
90 days in jail for riding a bilke is insane, that's typical American stuff, i'd have expected a very spicy fine, but being treated like a criminal like that is crazy
This dude obviously had a prior record with dui and they aren’t gonna play with that especially driving on a revoked or suspended
Good luck buddy. It gets better. You learned from your mistake. That's more than 90% of people who continue harmful patterns.
Feel bad for you Cuz, that's NUTS!!! It's the same here in the uk 🇬🇧 bra! Listen I've served nearly 10 in prison!!! 90 3 months will fly by trust me! Chin up brudda you'll be good I promise 👊🏽
well wouldve been better if u had a helmet on bc cops r way more chill if u have a helmet. also run in cantheres a no chase law
Lol good to know bro 🤣
good luck in the jail man. that’s crazy, it’s a bike. what were your exact charges
Driving while license revoked. Crazy talk.
F the police
Hell no, mine goes 95 mph and os an offroad beast. Im running to the hills
Yeah good luck being able to ride around without the cops looking for you after that
@ArcherInTraining2 I know lol. Im the only rider in my area too. They'd be on me like flies on shit. I honestly ride mellow in the street. Either off to the side where bikes ride, and never faster than the speed of traffic.... no wheelies... nothing stupid. They don't mess with me
Says don't ride an E ebike cause you will go to jail ,as he rides off on a E bike...!
Lesson not learned...🤦♂️
Wow, that sucks! Up here in Ontario Canada aperantly if the bike motor is over 500W you need insurance, reg etc, wich is total bs, mine is a 1500W hub motor and isnt very fast, has peddles, so if I get hassled I will have to spend way more money on a 500W mid drive which will be about the same touque and speed to have a decent ride, it is all these super ebikes and kids being goofs that is screwing it up for everybody.
thank you for sharing your story sir
So is there seriously nothing at all you can do about this, theres no way any judge will see this as right, 3 months jail time with real criminals for riding an electric bike
So homie is locked up right now?!
The laws in a lot of the way are behind the times and contradictory. I live in PA for example and a Moped requires a license, registration, and insurance and plates. It also has to be 50 cc or less and can't do over 25 mph. An ebike in this state must be padel assist only and can't do more than 20. Requires no license, registration, insurance or plates. But I'd be willing to bet almost no one knows that. Almost every ebike I see on the road and I see a lot of them now are 28 mph plus throttle bikes. Ever single one of those people is driving a motorcycle by legal definition. It's too fast to even be a moped. That's nutty. I feel for the police. How are they supposed to know at a glance if a bike is legal or not? Right now they are kind of at the mercy of peoples honesty except in cases where it's just simply obviously not true. Bikes with enormous motors for example or yeah bikes that don't have pedals so aren't bikes at all.
Floriduh. Sorry about your sitch. Good luck in the future!
The thing is, legally speaking you were riding a motorcycle, basically. You should have taken your warning more seriously.
But it’s not a motorcycle, they won’t even let you register it as a motorcycle if you tried to. Putting this guy in jail for 3 months and ruining his job and his life and taking all of his money is just insane. Seriously, he didn’t hurt anyone or steal from anyone or do anything and at all. The judges should have looked at this and threw it out immediately, it’s just so wrong seriously, the way they use the legal system no longer serves us but does significant harm to certain people in society that do not deserve it and it’s only going to get worse unless we the people stand up and change the system ourselves by what ever means possible. What do you think I mean by that?
@@thirdeyesurvivor3886 if he had turn signals and lights on it he could register it... also, he was let off the hook and warned my guy. He flew too close to the sun
remember we live in free world were systems don’t want you have fun and live just work and pay tax then drop you in box at end of your taxing life
Not a grey area. Surron not an e bicycle. It’s an electric dirt bike.
I’m like the last person to be bootlicking and so forth, but I think you aren’t understanding how you got here nor taking any responsibility on why this happened.
It’s obvious that these bikes are not street legal and you got caught two different times by the police, as well as likely violating your parole which is why you are ending up in the klink.
The faster you can truly realize the patterns of decisions that have got you here, fully taking responsibility, and then figuring out how to get your life going in the right direction would serve you well.
All of the text whining about how the manufacturers need to do something is 100% blame shifting. You KNOW that the police will stop you for riding on the roads and so forth just like any other unregistered dirt bike. That’s squarely on you.
What the hell. I have a Spark Bandit and I even had Florida Highway Patrol clear me for riding anywhere so long as I have pedals, on top of the chief of police in my town riding mine and complimenting it. Your case got totally fucked around with man.
Yeah this is a crazy story I'm sorry you had to go through all that Much love to man
What state is this?
Not really sure why you are trying to make this a surron/emoto thing
You spent 90 days in jail cause you were circumventing your court ordered license restriction from your apparently plural DUIs.
Telling people to sell their surron is a strange way of coping with the fact that you fucked up and should have just worked to get your license back.
Everyone else is fine though as long as they don't have a driving record like yours. Still illegal, but no one is going to jail for 90 days for riding surrons. It just doesn't happen, and it's not why you went to jail.
You went to jail because the courts see it as you circumventing your license restriction and still riding a motorcycle, and even worse, doing it with no registration/insurance
For anyone else, again, still illegal; but you are looking at a ticket, or at worst impounding your bike, not 90 days in jail.
Wait did you lose your job due to this arrest?
Surron is slower than triple x talaria ?? Triple x goes 60 mph bone stock
Damn bro you ran into that ONE cop that throws the book at you condolences
wow, they really do try and ruin peoples lives. People that go to work and make a living. Meanwhile in LA and other cities they don't blink at them.
My bro Move down to mexico Cancun area You can still get a job from home down there
HANDS OFF OUR BIKES
we never adopted any policy suppressing or traveling
Free my guy. Am so sorry this had to happen to you. This cop is heartless just ruined somebody's life for no reason.
This is exactly how overbearing governemt ruins the lives of normal everday people
Respect from 🇬🇧
This is why you don't talk to police if they are aggressive
The peasant gynocentric system has to ruin everything. When tyranny becomes normality, disobedience becomes duty.
This is why I went hyper scooter Cops really don't know what to do when they see it I don't live in a big city
Go and educate yourself on the real laws, a court/prosecutor must prove with factual evidence that you caused property damage or hurt someone for the court/prosecutor to have standing/jurisdiction over you and to hear the case, not a lawyer just someone who reads !
Can someone help me out I’m planning on getting a talaria x3 would I be fine to only ride sidewalks with pedals?
Just ride it like a bike on side of the sidewalk not on it do not go over 28 mph
You called your Mommy and we're a helmet 😮
So silly 😂 the officer didn't want to impound my talaria or backpack that had 4k in drone equipment in it. So he called her on my phone. Lol though.
Pretty sure he was looking after his mother and informing her ...not crying for mommy to make it go away.
Solar eclipse 2.0. U can register and insure it.
I hate this for you. The injustice is real. You should be able to travel on whatever you want even if it is a horse-drawn buggy. This kind of nonsense makes me angry.
they are gonna tear your ass up in prison
He just needs to knock the biggest guy out, but if he doesn't knock the biggest guy out, he becomes his girl. It's a gray area.
You can’t ride an e bike on the street but can ride a road bike? Wtf man this cop is over reacting. I ride my road bike going 22 in a 15 in downtown state trooper’s don’t care. Best if luck bro you should drop your cash app or something so we can send something.
That's Florida for you 🙄
Hey did you lose your job because of this?
Law is not gray. Suron all those bikes no pedals are electric dirt bikes. Harsh that they thru the book at you.
SELL IT? NEVER!!!! 😂 WHY TF did you even STOP??? You could have skerted in the woods and GONE!!!! Luckily My City aint shit...
So you get pulled over , told it is ILLEGAL to ride that bike on the road or pavement. You then KEEP RIDING it , in THE SAME AREA , and surprise surprise, get pulled over by THE SAME OFFICER who told you it was illegal. I get that the punishment is harsh , but cmon man , what did you expect? No one is above the law , no matter how much that law sucks. I'm sure you will be very well liked and looked after in jail 😊
Plus you knew you had a suspended licence for a DIU , so you can't play the victim here.
And someone was there filming him and the cop right outside the cop car and as he drove by and got pulled over..?
Hold they gave you 90 days wtf that's wild man and that's bs