2013 Nissan Leaf 24 kWh 500 km challenge part 1
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I was talking to a guy on the ski lift at Mont Tremblant last year who'd travelled there from Toronto (550 km) with his entire family in an old Leaf. I told him he was a braver man than I, and he admitted that his family was not particularly happy with him.
"I AM the thermal management!" :-)
Bjorn Nyland, as mad as a box of frogs. Hats off to you.
We love our 24kWh Leaf, ours is a later 2014 Sunderland built model so we get a better battery and a heat pump which makes for much more efficient heating. Our's now also runs our house via a Vehicle-to-Home Charger and means we can charge on cheap overnight electricity and run the house during the day.
Yes, that's the best way to use your old Leaf. Let it stay at home and use it as a giant powerbank!
For driving, if you don't make long trips, buy a Hyundai Ioniq classic. The Best EV if you don't make everyday long trips!
We did 600km this Summer going down to Cornwall on holiday. As long as you plan plenty of stops with things to do it's fine.
@jarthurs
Sure you can, I only like charging at home. Stops are no problem if we are going on holiday/vacation.
But at daily driving, that costs more money than at home. 3 times in a week, I make more than 130 miles a day, and my Ioniq classic was very difficult to do....
Now I bought a low mileage Kia e Niro Executive line with 64 KWh, and that's a game changer. I love this EV!
Which V2H charger do you use? Thanks!
@@mcyars6391 it's an Indra V2H.
the driving time lapse together with the screen is really nice!
20:50 for advanced leaf owners who care with fiddling with charging speed - you can install can-bridge that gives you control for charging speed, both AC or DC.
AC down to 1kw, DC 35kw or 25kw limit. From car controls. Good for taxy drivers who dont want to cook the battery.
How?
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google: "can bridge nissan leaf"
Hope to see you test a used 40kWh ZE1 sometime. Used EVs are an important factor in EV adoption. If potential buyers see that degradation is not the big deal some think it is, many might be persuaded to go for a used EV.
Zoes Sind mit ihrer batteriemiete völlig uninteressant. Macht wirtschaftlich keinen Sinn einen zoe zu kaufen, zumal auch die Versicherungsklassen höher sind als vergleichbare Fahrzeuge.
@@TILL_OFARIM ZE1 = Nissan Leaf.
Thanks! I’ve got a 2012 with 55% SOH. So only about 40 mile range in good weather
Thank you :)
seems crazy to spend 15kWh on electric space heating just to try and heat up the battery before you even start! Good luck!
how many here wish he had gotten one year younger car.. ? :)
So much more relevant and more modern, with heat pump and better battery..
More expensive.
Nice Sauna effect. Try to heat a bucket of water and then put it out in the winter and see what's happening. Also throw the water in the air. It's like dry freeze stuff. Nice condensation. Same thing when taking the bike out for a ride, soon all the grease gone. Better with a medium warm thing.
When I owned leaf wirh 12,5 usable capacoty it in winter never reached 30 after several charging. I have never went so deep like you. If you are driving 50km to next and only charger where is only ONE stall that can be broken and the only way then is drive back with using some AC destination chargers to get back and then try to find other route. Or try to with some AC on the way to get to closest DC in direction you need to hot. Man, i am so happy after replacing it with 30kWh with low dregradation. Now I can drive and CHOSE which charger I want to use and which I can skip. You are deamon going to 5% and not having shiiiiit in your pants.
Wacky BMS is probably just the voltage sag from different loads, and indicated SOC based on voltage reading. Because of internal resistance charging increases voltage and discharging decreases voltage no matter what the charge state is. This is voltage sag. It's also why the charging cycle has to go from CC to CV when it reaches the top battery voltage at the top of a charge.
Nice garage mate, enjoy the new digs
From my experience, 20 degrees C is very good start if you going to use DC charger about every hour. Should be ok after 500km with battery temp below 45
Take a spade and pile up snow and park on top of it while charging or not charging just to cool down. Don't know if battery pack can end up with condensation inside it or not
High quality entertainment. Thanks.
@9:48 Bjorn don’t forget the gas/Petrol pumps for those few Norway stragglers who still fight the good fight!😄😄😄😄😄😁😁
Will you do some cold weather testing with one of the new stellantis Cars?
Would love to see that
Spoiler alert: The 2023 corsa E 100kw hates the cold. I have a 1950s electric system fitted to my house so i can only supercharge at a petrol station etc. It was around -7°c the other day... my battery was around 19% Soc. Went to charge and i only saw 25-30Kw/h charging speed. Battery was at 0°c and never warmed up passed 7°c. The windchill was at -16°c. So my top tip is the same as bjorns. Keep the battery warm in winter and cool in summer ✌️
@@joshfrench5773i was driving the new Fiat 600e with the new drivetrain in the cold up to -9c and was really impressed! One by the consumtion and i only had very Little Cold Gate and got the full charging Speed After just 5 min at the supercharger. Thats why I would love to see more Detailed Infos and what the expert himself Björn thinks about the new Cars.
I take it you cannot bleed heat off the battery pack by running the heater in the car? it just gets hotter by running the heater too? I remember having to turn the heating in the car on full blast when stuck in traffic in a petrol car to stop it over heating. What about using V2H and running the fan heater as just a fan to get air flow under the car when stationary....
Even 105 km/h sounds a bit fast tbh. I'd stick to a consistent 100. Wouldn't slow down very much at uphill, a little is okay, but air drag increases by the square of speed so making that up by driving faster at other sections is always going to be inefficient, even if I agree about always coasting in neutral on downhills.
105 km/h on speedometer is only 95 km/h GPS.
Bjorn is BAUSS of BEV-testing.
24kWh!? That's a jok3 😄
When it was new, the battery had 21.3 kWh available for use. I once had an Mitsubishi i-Miev with an 15 kWh battery pack.
@@larsenpetter14.5 for use. 10.5 for certain cars in japan.
Für die meisten Hausfrauen mehr als genug aber sie brauchen ja unbedingt ein SUV 😂😂
Pre heating a 24kWh battery with 15kWh worth of heat. Nice.
We have lots of chademo/ccs units in Ohio USA even new stations have both.
Frankenstein !
The Sun will love this ;)
Was it hard to keep the windshield clear and cabin warm? Also should have done the test under lower winter temperature like under -15 degrees Celsius to be honest.
When will you test Maxus Euniq6?
The heater under the car heating the battery is quite genius 👌 asian level ninja skills.
But it cost about 50 KWh for energy only to stay warm......😅
😆 yeah youre totally right there, it sounds ridiculous. But in Norway electric is cheaper than water so as a one off test its quite fun to watch.
@@joshfrench5773
For entertainment, I love him like "the test" King. Funny and informative way!
Not 50 kWh. I spent about 10 kWh only. It's a 1.5 kW heater.
@@bjornnylandwhy not try a magnetically attached heating mat next?
I was wondering why you are heating up the battery.....
You know Bjorn your 12V battery is in poor condition? All time charging from main battery with more than 2A...
No, it's not.
Mit was betreiben Sie denn ihr Licht? Mit Hochvolt? 😂
@@TILL_OFARIM english would be great.
I love driving an EV is a science, Petrol car get in and go and not worry at all, Ohh a gas station, ill get the next one.
You need to waste electricity to make the batteries work, BAHAHAHAHAHHA.
Hi Bjørn, are you getting any new cars for testing soon?
No, why?
@@bjornnyland VW ID 7 is just delivered to the first customers. A range test would be great.
@@MEeg-r3kChris from battery life owns one and Made some vids.
No snow yet?
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You simply heated up the thermometer..
Nope
too bad the battery heat cant be moved into the cabin on this model
You ever charge it with a 100kW/200A charger?
Pointless
@@bjornnyland When I charge my Nissan Oldtimers with 200A I always get some more kW more charging speed out compared to 125A chargers. Dont know why.
I have a motorcycle with 7KWh battery.
24KWh for a car is horrible.
*kWh
My motorcycle has 14.4 kWh. But at the same time, 24 kWh is perfectly adequate for city use, and i think there should be more options with small batteries in the city car market. It would make for cheap electric cars, while also using way less of the rare elements that batteries use.
*kWh
@@bjornnyland oops :)
It s not the 24 KWh the problem. Ioniq 28 is a very good car.
No big surprise that this car is not good for long trips.
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Riding a long trip with EV looks like walking on thin wire over a chasm... balance is a constant life or death matter.
The Leaf is not representative of all EVs. It’s small battery car that should only be used for local driving. For road trips get a Tesla or Rivian and do the entire 500 kilometers on one charge (with a couple of pit stops to empty the bladder and charge for brief periods to make sure that you don’t run out of battery. Just like checking the gauge on a gas car to make sure you don’t run out of gas.
@@richardcoughlin8931 really ? Did you check what happened when an EV taycan and a 14 years old diesel bmw raced across the UK north to south on a 1000 miles trip ?
This was fun to watch but come on! Who drives like that? The whole challenge loses it’s validity when you start driving slow uphill and faster downhill like some eco trucker
Have you already came up with excuse for your wife why you were gone for a week?
The thing is, I get in my diesel when it's like minus five outside... And if I parked the day before with 5 gallons of diesel in the tank, I've still got 5 gallons of diesel in the tank the following morning. None of it has simply leached away because of the cold.
I start the car. I haven't had to preheat it. Once the car has started, the engine gets warmer: not colder.
I press one button that Boosts all of the heating: Windows, mirrors, cabin... everything. And if I want to, I press one more button that heats the steering wheel and one more button that heats the seat. Battery unaffected. MARVELLOUS.
1 minute later, I drive away. Happy and warm.
My engine has an efficient system that maintains an optimum temperature throughout my entire journey, regardless of outside temperature, be it plus fifty or minus 10°C, whatever...
I can then do in excess of five hundred miles without even needing to think about stopping to 'recharge' the fuel tank: And when I need to 'recharge' it takes about two minutes, from a plethora of available petrol stations - And can be paid for simply with cash or card: I don't need fifty apps.
I definitely will buy an electric car though, when I get the same convenience and reliability at the same price.
Lol
You make some reasonable points.
Unless you are prepared to spend a lot of money on an EV with a 70kWh+ battery, you will not enjoy long distance driving in an EV. For short range commuting EVs work just fine. As long as you can charge at home or at work.
The cabin of a diesel engined car doesn't get warmed up in a minute. I drove a Golf TDI for 100.000km.
@@marcg1686 I love it when clueless people comment without access to any of those tedious things called 'facts'... My car comes with a supplementary heater fitted as standard which heats the cabin independently of the engine temperature. #warmandtoasty
Benefit with EV is you get warm air out of vents and full power instantly when you start the car, you never have to wait a minute to drive off and never have to scrape ice off of your windows. On a well-designed EV with a heat pump this might take 10% off your range but not more than that.
And if waiting 10 seconds for warm air to come out of the vents and 2 minutes for the ice to melt off all the windows is too much for you you can simply press a button before you leave and the car does all that for you. That's a choice you simply don't get with a petrol or diesel car.
Also you never have to visit a gas station in the first place, you fill up at home and leave every day with a full tank, I spend less time at chargers than I ever did at gas stations now with an EV.
And you will still have the same amount of charge the next morning, at least for me it takes multiple days to even lose 1%.
If he had done this trip in a modern EV he would've stopped once to charge for maybe 10 minutes and then arrived.
//Person from northern Sweden who happily drives his EV in -30C
@@Paul-li9hq A supplementary cabin heater is nice to have. My CT200h has one.
Very few ICE vehicles have that as an option from the factory.
Your battery pack is totally out of balance...
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You drive too fast man! Keep 70kmt
Nope. That's a bad idea.
110kmh Ist am realistischsten. Normalerweise fährt man bei Strecken auf der Autobahn und da sicher keine 80kmh 😂 wenn du 95kmh fährst dann machst du Elefantenrennen mit den LKWs! 70kmh kannst du auf der Landstraße fahren, aber sicher keine 500km. Bis man damit ankommt hat mann eine Glatze + laden 😂
The effort and info seems great, but:
Leaf-spy (or whatever way it's spelled) is the most cluttered, illogic and most stupidly layed out GUI I've ever seen. Looks like the hobby of a 17 y/o boy w/o any sense of ergonomics have tried to make this.
Look at that tiny chargespeed indicator, mid/left screen(!).
The priorities [xx km-> x%]
GiDs xxx
Theres so much time and effort being wasted owning an EV. Just get an ICE car and enjoy your vacation instead of stressful journey.
You realize this is an ancient, obsolete EV being tested for the lulz- right?
He's testing an 11-year-old EV for the fun of it? He could've completed this entire journey without a charging stop, or at most a 5-10 minute one, if he wanted in a modern EV.
Any modern EV beats every ICE car for travelling. Just get a new Model 3 long range if you want to take a road trip and you only have to charge after 600 km.
10h 1500w for battery heating 😂
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