*NOTE* - A number of people have asked why I don't just use a NAS... NAS, or Networked Attached Storage is fine for some uses, but it also has drawbacks... First, it is much slower than locally attached storage. Second, it isn't as easy to manage as local storage via Storage Spaces. Third, it is expensive to backup, FAR more expensive than this. Remember that a backup isn't a backup unless it is off-site, how do you backup 20TB of storage online for a reasonable price from a NAS? There is a time and a place for it, I imagine I'll end up there one day, but for now, this makes far more sense for me...
I would reconsider your argument in the name of Unraid. NAS is as fast as your network connection, even with 10Gb (see LTT). My unraid machine pegs gigabit, and has room to spare. This is about as fast as I can imagine needing for 99% of use cases. Built for WAY less than $350 or even $250. It also has parity and I can use different sized drives (you could literally combine the storage of ALL of your HDD's minus 1 x 8TB parity)! Plus combining all in one place with parity and cache (with a single cache drive as well or even multi-disk striped SSD cache if you want serious speed) and using shares, virtual machines, etc it's all transparent to the end user. It's a really great solution. You can also remove drives and the data stored on them is readable. Definitely worth researching, I have been a happy Unraid user for a long time! You can also use it to serve plex, webservers, etc. I'd even consider it for your new build as a hypervisor and use virtual machine for rendering. Edit: You also speak of drive data movement and Unraid has a solution for moving data from one drive to another for retiring drives and replacing with larger drives (see unBALANCE) and also you can fill drives in your preferred order and only split folders as you desire by folder or by disk. Last note backblaze can be easily used via second virtual machine and shares and could be used to back up your most important files or shares offsite or even locally to another USB drive when plugged in. Fundamentally for your use case I believe Unraid would be a much better solution. Worth a look for sure.
Request - 6 Months later follow up video. How's it running? Pros and Cons with it in Production. Would you do it again or spend the extra for the NAS? Not that you need more content on your back log, but think it would be an informative follow up.
Guss Scott That’s a great idea, I hope he does that video soon. I’ve been thinking about getting same enclosure for a while. Curious how it’s holding up, fast/reliable?
Too those who're complaining the video length: In the previous video, where he got silver play button from youtube, he told us that he has a vested interest in teaching ... So is the reason he lectures like a Medical Professor ... Indeed he is way too descriptive, but too honest with his work ... He cares for all of us ... He never told his name though ... I like him and videos very much ... Thank you Sir Tech Deals !!!
I usually don't comment on videos, but I've had this external enclosure for a few years and I'd just like to point out that the 2 8cm fans on the back are proprietary slim fans using thin threaded non standard screws and 2 pin DC connectors. You need those fan grills in the back or the slim screws just go right through the fan holes. Standard 8cm fans will not work, the stock fans are pretty loud and will fail, you can either reoil them every couple months, or jerry rig the 3 pin Coolermaster 80mm "Standard fan" 80*80*15mm into it. There is another case that is 10 bays, individual power switches and locks for each bay, hot swappable, 14cm fan and atx power supply called the CyberSLIM S810-U3S in the Asia Pacific, or the Century HDD Ten Box II [CRST1035EU3S6G] on Amazon Japan for what converts to around 300ish USD I am not aware of the name this box goes by state side though.
Every time you upload a video that's over half an hour long, I always tell myself I won't watch the whole thing... and here I am at the end of the video... once again... hahaha. Love your vids!
It is VERY important to note that the 8TB Seagate Archive drives typically found in the Expansion and Backup external enclosures use SMR technology which is VERY slow for random writes. Sequential writes are another thing, but this can mean the difference between a 12 hour backup and a 5 day backup.
This quickly bacame one of the most comedic videos you've uploaded. I found it hilarious while you were trying to get open that external hard drive. Nice deal trick with that by the way!
+vanillagear2000 👍I debated cutting that all out, but then I thought it might be fun to show the reality of opening one... and frankly, I still cut out about 10 minutes of it. 🎉
Tech Deals If you ask me, if stuff like this happens in the future, just leave it in! Comedy gold! This isn't something I'd ever use (I plan to dedicate my Ryzen based PC to gaming so all that storage for me is basically stupid) but I found it really interesting to watch. Top video Good Sir!
FYI you don't *need* the handles. Been using the 4 bay versions of these DAS units for yonks and whilst its sometimes fiddly to get a grip to remove one, its perfectly doable.
After all that hard work of trying to pry the drive out of the enclosure, you had my heart in my throat when you banged the drive on your hand in an attempt to remove it from the half opened enclosure. Nice long detailed video. Thanks for posting it. I'm actually in the market for an external drive enclosure for some drives in a JBOD configuration to use with Drive Bender to pool the drives. I already have 5 drives of varying capacities each in my existing pool of 12 TB (more than half filled up now) in my Windows "NAS" tower and no more room to add any new drives internally if I start to run out of storage capacity in the future.
A NAS is fine... but how do you back it up? One of the biggest challenges to using something like that is getting it backed up off site for a not-crazy cost...
I've been using Crashplan on my main PC, the PC mounts the NAS shares so it just backs them up as if it were local storage. Works pretty well, but as you may have heard Crashplan is retiring the home plans, so I'm going to have to look for another solution in the near future.
I enjoyed this video. I'm really interested in the MediaSonic 8 Bay Enclosure and Windows Storage Spaces (learned about this from another one of your awesome videos). Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate your performance review of the MediaSonic 8 Bay Enclosure. How has your experience been with using the MediaSonic 8 Bay Enclosure? Are you still using it? Did you ever buy a second unit? Any issues or concerns with the MediaSonic 8 Bay Enclosure?
Good to know. Might never be in that situation, but then again, the futures uncertain.Definitely interesting,and educational. Trying to absorb all the tech info I can these days-Thanks
I have an old Medea 4 units videodrive laying around as ornament. It’s ultra wide scsi and it’s got only 320gb spanned across 4 IDE drives. I’ve been having troubles putting additional drives to my trusty hp z600, it has only two 3.5 slots and two 5.25 external, that’s where I currently have 3 stacked disks just laying around. I thought of buying a drive cage for them, but it costs the same as your enclosure. Now I’ve just discovered I can mount them on my old Medea external raid enclosure, use molex to sata power adapters and a long sata cable for 4 drives directly attached from the motherboard to the disks on te enclosure. To bad I didn’t keep that old 16 disks big external raid from stone+wire I thrashed 15 years ago...
Please keep up the good worked. you are way more informed then any other place i looked. You helped me build my pc with no issues and great results for the price. I went with your ryzen 5 $800 build and all i can say is WOW! Thank You
It would make more sense to test the drives BEFORE shucking them. Especially since due to concerns of security you won't be utilizing any form of warranty down the road.
This video makes total sense. RAID is not a backup and Network Attach Storage. Keyword Network. Tech Deals is a one man operation so he probably doesn't have clients he needs to share files on a network. Great storage solution.
Thank you tech for the windows storage space advice. Have you ever considered having a spin off playlist of set up / tutorials for software, you are an amazing teacher and we appreciate the hard work
This is a great solution for having lots of drives without the mess of the cables and power adapters. I would think, even if you plan on doing more drives in the future, and you know you're going to expand, set this up and add as you go along, and it'll be much less headache down the road. Side note: 31:17 - that epic oops face!
been thinking on doing a smaller scale version of this for a while, and connect it to a NUC to serve as a high density network storage/file server, so mo matter where i go i can access my work, illustrations and other content i might need , or want to show, from anywhere. Thanks for making this video!
I recently had a crashed hard drive. In retrospect this was the first sign: Windows booted half the times and half the time it got stuck before starting up. With another failed drive I experienced hanging of the GUI when attempting to load a folder. Here a golden tip, guys. If you notice anything suspicious with your hard drive, don't put any critical data on it any more. Especially make a backup of any critical data on internal drives, external drives should remain fine as long as you use them incidentally and you don't drop those or give shock in another way. Don't count on it though. Internal drives however will break someday, guaranteed! It is mechanical after all, where you have a mechanical device you have friction, where you have friction you destroy material and get a lot of heat which doesn't help either in the case of a mechanical drive.
The case enclosure on it's own looks really nice: I would actually still use this for a NAS and just get this with a nice small rig on top or next to it: Much better than paying a bunch of money to Synology or others for their enclosures when most of us have hardware that's robust enough for home or small offices just collecting dust.
Great to see your channel grow at such a short period of time. Have been here since your first 5k subscriber, love your work but i would love watching some short videos too!
being an RUclipsr I 100% absolutely agree your point. Great video :) btw.. recently I built a FreeNAS raid, just because I need it on a NAS platform. Else I must've gone your way. I know this is not for everyone. People cannot understand the scale (includes regular users/gamers, etc). Being a systems architect, after my server is built, now I am exploring OpenZFS stack. Besides FreeNAS exploring possibilities on Linux Ubuntu Server (which includes OpenZFS support). :)
I'm sure you know this, but in case you don't running raid 5 on 8 TB drives is a waste of drives. If a drive fails rebuilding the array will fail more times than not due to error rates per TB of storage. It's just not recommended anymore to run raid 5 on large drives. Raid 6 is also pushing limits at 8 TB, and 10 TB is even worse. It sucks but it's just the way it is with large capacity drives.
"There is a lip here... Come on baby you know you wanna open...Hopefully I'm not making too many funny facial expressions as I'm doing this..." Tech Deals 2017
Thanks for your channel. I've only discovered you recently while I was toiling over 1070 vs 1080 decision. Your clear and concise approach helped me easily decide (1070). I'd like to propose a possible future topic. What to do with your old computers. I have a pile of them in my basement. I've rebuilt and given away a couple but most are too old for that. I've heard that some resellers will take in one old computer for every new computer you buy, but I'm a build it myself guy.
Tech Deals I am curious what exactly you did as a consultant and how you became one given that as far as I understood from your earlier explanation you started basically without any formal inducation with a business with a friend and somehow got inside that world. And because I am much more curious than that might be healthy for a person. I can see you doing that work, some would call it paranoid to test out the hardware first extensively before actually putting 'critical' data on it but this is exactly how you ought to think when you advice companies how to do these things. I own the same drive, I love to see how you get it open and what it looks like inside.
I enjoyed this topic and look forward to your review after stress testing this solution, before I consider it for myself. I look forward to your computer and hardware topic videos. I'm not that much into the gaming demonstrations/reviews , but I've learned from them also.
Have you thought about second hand LTO tape drives? LTO5 drive are fairly innexpensive and the tapes are cheap. That 40+ year shelf life of tapes is very appealing if you ask me.
Hello there, thanks for the video, it's very informative. I'm starting to build my RAID storage myself, and I'm wondering if you had a hard drive failed so far?, Thanks
There comes a point where you might as well build a 12 bay 2u server, put it in your basement, Linux it, zfs it, connect to it via a network. You may be there!
Hi Tech Deals, Interesting video, thanks. Got me to be interested in the 8tb Seagate externals. If possible could you do an update in 2018-19 just to let us know about reliability of the drives, any issues and noise levels? Nothing that takes tons of time or deep in-depth - just enough to let us know how the units are doing. I'm interested too how the 8Tb Seagate Backup Plus Hub compares to the 8Tb Seagate Expansion, and compares to the 8Tb WD Mybook for use as backup, archive and 'put away in a safe place' storage. Thanks for your consideration. Pete
Wouldn't it make more sense to just get a big ATX case with lots of 3.5" drive bays, and a mobo with lots of SATA ports (mine has 6). Most motherboards support hardware RAID nowadays, don't they?
NAS drives also have vibration sensors that help the drive to compensate for vibration from other drives when they are in large RAID arrays. I'm not sure whether the Archive drives have those sensors or not.
Was that a double entendre I heard? I'm mortified! I thought I was watching Jay's. Seriously though, as a long time viewer, what I'm most waiting for is you going nuts and throwing things around. It's always the nice ones. I could make a laundry list of 'nice' teachers who suddenly went bananas, starting with sister Carol in the first grade. But don't sweat it. It happens. Could mean big numbers. Try this: a family build! That'll bring out the hulk! Alright. I'm done. I actually sat through most of the ads, on someone's advice, so I'm leaving a longer message as kind of a tit-for-tat deal. :)
I recognise that you have stated that performance of the DAS is not an issue but have you considered the time it would take to write to the Parity Array which would be at between 30-50 MB/s ? Also are you using tiered storage to manage the Write Back Cache ? You have also said you use Backblaze as a backup, as the folder struture is different wont you need to back up the DAS again and how long would you anticipate that this would take ? More than 30 days ? so at the time of loading your existing backups will have been deleted from Backblaze ?
I very much enjoyed this video and I'm glad your using windows spaces as I'm very interested in it and have been doing a lot of reading on it, I may start using it for my needs
this is an excellent explanation of this sort of DAS approach. thanks for the video ! Are you still using these 8bay enclosures ? i would like to do sth very similar..but i am looking for a speedier connection. ideally i’d go for a 10GbE bay..since my next motherboard is going to feature a 10GbE port. i haven’t been able to find 8bay enclosures with 10GbE ports, though. All of the Tb3 and/or 10GbE units are NAS . Can you help me out ? thanks ;)
As a pro photographer, this looks like an excellent idea on how I can store my photos long term. Did you post a follow-up video on this? I searched and couldn't find anything. I'm very interetded in how this has worked out for you and if you still recommend it. Thanks and enjoy your videos!
How is those drive now? How many still up? Currently Costco are doing a discount on back up plus hud. I'm planing to buy it but I affair it will dead easily.
Did something similar with four 8TB WD mydrives that have RED drives inside ... that were on sale for $160 at Best Buy. That's a savings of $100 per drive over bare REDs.
TD, How is the MediaSonic drive enclosure working for you? Have read some reviews about them disconnecting, etc. Wonder if those with bad experiences were using USB connection rather thean eSata?
I've been looking for a good DAS device, I just need to know if it will support 2.5'' inch Seagate Backup plus hard drives before I start pulling out the drives from their casings and placing them into the bays.
Being just the average user I obviously don't need anything like this for back up(I don't even back up, that's how important my data is, If I somehow got a wirus I'd just wipe drive and reinstall) but say I wanted the storage(for...research...) could I use it without Storage Spaces? would Windows see it as 8 drives or 1 large drive?
What is interessting in this one is Raid 50 with six or eight drives ! The rebuild success rate with six 8TB hdds with maximum 10^15 error rates per bit should be at minimum minimum 94 % what is really good. RAID 5 rebuild success with five 8TB is only at minimum 78%....
it'll be interesting to see how the archive drives hold up. I've done something similar with shucked archive drives in an icydock 4 bay enclosure and also Seagate backup plus hub drives in their external cases configured into a windows simple storage space on a backup server. 3 out of 4 of the externals have failed with excessive reallocated sectors within a year. The shucked Seagate archive drives have been ok so far. Failures happen when drives >90% utilized. A combination of passive cooling and side effects of SMR? I've switched to the wd red drives. Haven't seen a problem with them either internally or externally.
I just want to use this array for PLEX as a JBOD. While RAID is the way to go to be redundant, I find that I spend more money on HDD's just to have a mirror copy and cut my storage in half, that I don't like because I'm not rich $$$ lol. So I go the JBOD route and I just make backups on very inexpensive BD-DL 50GB Discs (Blu-Ray discs) this is actually the cheapest way to ensure I have a backup rather then spending money on HDD's. Right now, I sit at about 10TB of data for my PLEX server, getting this array will alleviate my storage issues for a few years. I have amassed this 10TB of data in just 2.5 years..... People used to say, "what the hell do you need a Terabyte of storage" LOL, I laugh at that now.
I have 3 external hard drives with files on them. I remove them from their cases and insert into MediaSonic bay. The existing files can be read from 1 of the drives however the other 2 drives claim they need to be Formatted. Google / RUclips searching has failed me. What's going on? Why do I have to format (and then restore the files from backup) on 2 of my 3 drives? Or is there simple fix?
I need a NAS and I should do this a pick up the drives as I need them the prices are falling and ssd drives are getting cheaper and larger over time as well
On the enclosure, 3 Gigabit per second (375MB/s), not terrible but I would see this as a pretty big bottleneck for a raid 0 setup I went with the RocketStor 6414VS 4-Bay Q-SATA 10 Gigabit per second. I use it as my 16TB game drive :D (with an ssd caching layer on it)
Hey! Love your videos. I'm considering starting to make content on RUclips built around recorded gameplay footage. It's going to be built around lots of gameplay, and I'd like to be able to archive footage for 'before and after' comparisons. Basically, I want to store tons of games of League of Legends in the best visual fidelity I can (currently I play the game at 1080p 144hz, but I'm limited by my monitor)... I have no idea how to estimate how much storage space I need for this sort of project and after watching this video you seem like a good person to ask. If I want to store gameplay at ~1080p, 120fps or 4K, 120fps if I can swing that... how should I start figuring out my storage situation? I'd like to keep it separate from my main system, and I'd also like to have this hard drive space available as a NAS for my (two) roommates and I. I don't necessarily need to edit from this storage, I should be able to copy specific videos that I want to edit/cut to a SSD either in a NAS or on my workstation to scrub and whatnot there. I'm at the very entry-level when it comes to content creation, but I'm also a bit of an enthusiast when it comes to system building and gaming so I was already considering upgrading to a Ryzen 7 system for gaming/streaming/editing. I also have a dedicated system that's running (virtualized) PFSense as my router and could probably also hook up to an external array like this to run a 'RAID' hypervisor... I have a very basic understanding of all that stuff, but have no idea how to estimate what I should be aiming for in terms of storage space.
35:57 Watching this 5 years later: YOU CAN TOTALLY REUSE IT! I did. I bought two of these externals back in 2019 (really wish I had purchased more). I shucked them and kept the bits. About two years later the the PC exploded (figuratively). I simply slapped the drives back into the enclosures and voila, they're externals again. Now I'm looking at one of those 16 TB Exos or IronWolf Pro for the new build I'm finally able to do. I wonder, do you still use Windows Storage Spaces? I don't actually expect a response since this video is old. I will check through the other videos for updates.
Hi from 2023… yes, I still use storage spaces, but I’m working on getting rid of it. I am building a new video editing PC in a Corsair 7000X case and I’m going to put 6x 18TB drives internally for storage and run them in RAID 1 via disk management and not storage spaces. I have compressed down the old videos and cleaned out unneeded files to save on space. I plan to sell the rest of my 8 bay enclosures when this is done.
@@TechDeals 6x18! Excuse my math... move the 1... HOLY TERABYTES, TECHBAT! You can finally install a 100 TB BatCat videogame! I was just watching your SSD Review 2019 Edition where you said TB instead of GB. Joke's dead now... heh! Aaanyway..! If you don't mind me asking, which 18TB drives are you using? I am so glad you replied. I checked the price difference and I'm thinking I should just go for an 18TB for +$20 [+$30 on the Seagate externals I'm seeing on Amazon].
I watched you struggle with that storage case and laugh out loud cause i was doing the same thing with my Son . Adding more storage to his computer. Took 30 minutes to crack it open 😂
Noticed that NVidia doesn't have the GTX 1050 listed on the registration page when I tried to register my new one. Wonder what's going on with that. Also no registration card in box.. and it was brand new sealed box from newegg. God is good to me and mine!
Nice common sense video. I bought a 4bay "icy box" enclosure for all the same reasons. Just way easier than messing around with NAS. (incidentally - i couldn't be bothered attaching the little handles to the drives. if you've got good squeeze power in your finger tips you can still remove them without the handles on :-)
Thanks for the video. It was very informative. Is there a way to connect this to my router at home and have all the computers connect to it? I desperately need to back up my small youtube channel's files, personal files and my wife's stuff as well. But of course i really only need 4TB and i would like to have what u call parity to swap out a bad drive if need be without losing data
That isn't backup... if the files aren't off site, they aren't backed up... You're asking about a NAS, but that is just shared file storage, a backup has to be in a different location and offline...
*NOTE* - A number of people have asked why I don't just use a NAS... NAS, or Networked Attached Storage is fine for some uses, but it also has drawbacks...
First, it is much slower than locally attached storage.
Second, it isn't as easy to manage as local storage via Storage Spaces.
Third, it is expensive to backup, FAR more expensive than this. Remember that a backup isn't a backup unless it is off-site, how do you backup 20TB of storage online for a reasonable price from a NAS?
There is a time and a place for it, I imagine I'll end up there one day, but for now, this makes far more sense for me...
Tech Deals teach me how to pc, please
I still find mechanical keyboard around 70$ which did u prefer?
derby 19971
I found a mechanical keyboard for 27 dollars.
I would reconsider your argument in the name of Unraid. NAS is as fast as your network connection, even with 10Gb (see LTT). My unraid machine pegs gigabit, and has room to spare. This is about as fast as I can imagine needing for 99% of use cases. Built for WAY less than $350 or even $250. It also has parity and I can use different sized drives (you could literally combine the storage of ALL of your HDD's minus 1 x 8TB parity)! Plus combining all in one place with parity and cache (with a single cache drive as well or even multi-disk striped SSD cache if you want serious speed) and using shares, virtual machines, etc it's all transparent to the end user. It's a really great solution. You can also remove drives and the data stored on them is readable. Definitely worth researching, I have been a happy Unraid user for a long time! You can also use it to serve plex, webservers, etc. I'd even consider it for your new build as a hypervisor and use virtual machine for rendering.
Edit: You also speak of drive data movement and Unraid has a solution for moving data from one drive to another for retiring drives and replacing with larger drives (see unBALANCE) and also you can fill drives in your preferred order and only split folders as you desire by folder or by disk. Last note backblaze can be easily used via second virtual machine and shares and could be used to back up your most important files or shares offsite or even locally to another USB drive when plugged in.
Fundamentally for your use case I believe Unraid would be a much better solution. Worth a look for sure.
ur unraid license cost? what case do u use? Is ur unRaid nas in a separate pc?
Request - 6 Months later follow up video. How's it running? Pros and Cons with it in Production. Would you do it again or spend the extra for the NAS? Not that you need more content on your back log, but think it would be an informative follow up.
That’s a great idea, I hope he does that video soon. I’ve been thinking about getting same enclosure for a while.
Guss Scott That’s a great idea, I hope he does that video soon. I’ve been thinking about getting same enclosure for a while. Curious how it’s holding up, fast/reliable?
Too those who're complaining the video length:
In the previous video, where he got silver play button from youtube, he told us that he has a vested interest in teaching ... So is the reason he lectures like a Medical Professor ... Indeed he is way too descriptive, but too honest with his work ... He cares for all of us ... He never told his name though ... I like him and videos very much ...
Thank you Sir Tech Deals !!!
Venome447 I never noticed that he never told us his name. 😮
His name is Sir Lord Tech Deals, at least to us
Isaiah Penny He showed his face and his family, that's more than enough in my opinion.
付きが綺麗みちゃえんぐ I know it was just something that I never noticed until I read Venome447’s comment.
Venome447 holy crap...what the hell is his name. Lol
I usually don't comment on videos, but I've had this external enclosure for a few years and I'd just like to point out that the 2 8cm fans on the back are proprietary slim fans using thin threaded non standard screws and 2 pin DC connectors. You need those fan grills in the back or the slim screws just go right through the fan holes.
Standard 8cm fans will not work, the stock fans are pretty loud and will fail, you can either reoil them every couple months, or jerry rig the 3 pin Coolermaster 80mm "Standard fan" 80*80*15mm into it.
There is another case that is 10 bays, individual power switches and locks for each bay, hot swappable, 14cm fan and atx power supply called the CyberSLIM S810-U3S in the Asia Pacific, or the Century HDD Ten Box II [CRST1035EU3S6G] on Amazon Japan for what converts to around 300ish USD
I am not aware of the name this box goes by state side though.
Every time you upload a video that's over half an hour long, I always tell myself I won't watch the whole thing... and here I am at the end of the video... once again... hahaha. Love your vids!
+Drew Torrance 👍Thanks for watching!
Drew Torrance I was thinking the same thing but he is so engaging.
watched the whole thing under a minute
Drew Torrance fr this is nerd crack 😂
It is VERY important to note that the 8TB Seagate Archive drives typically found in the Expansion and Backup external enclosures use SMR technology which is VERY slow for random writes. Sequential writes are another thing, but this can mean the difference between a 12 hour backup and a 5 day backup.
This quickly bacame one of the most comedic videos you've uploaded. I found it hilarious while you were trying to get open that external hard drive. Nice deal trick with that by the way!
+vanillagear2000 👍I debated cutting that all out, but then I thought it might be fun to show the reality of opening one... and frankly, I still cut out about 10 minutes of it. 🎉
Tech Deals If you ask me, if stuff like this happens in the future, just leave it in! Comedy gold! This isn't something I'd ever use (I plan to dedicate my Ryzen based PC to gaming so all that storage for me is basically stupid) but I found it really interesting to watch. Top video Good Sir!
FYI you don't *need* the handles. Been using the 4 bay versions of these DAS units for yonks and whilst its sometimes fiddly to get a grip to remove one, its perfectly doable.
After all that hard work of trying to pry the drive out of the enclosure, you had my heart in my throat when you banged the drive on your hand in an attempt to remove it from the half opened enclosure. Nice long detailed video. Thanks for posting it. I'm actually in the market for an external drive enclosure for some drives in a JBOD configuration to use with Drive Bender to pool the drives. I already have 5 drives of varying capacities each in my existing pool of 12 TB (more than half filled up now) in my Windows "NAS" tower and no more room to add any new drives internally if I start to run out of storage capacity in the future.
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I have 2 computers each with 64TB
Nice solution, I went the lazy route and just got an 8 bay QNAP NAS :) working well for a couple years now.
A NAS is fine... but how do you back it up? One of the biggest challenges to using something like that is getting it backed up off site for a not-crazy cost...
I've been using Crashplan on my main PC, the PC mounts the NAS shares so it just backs them up as if it were local storage. Works pretty well, but as you may have heard Crashplan is retiring the home plans, so I'm going to have to look for another solution in the near future.
I'm never going to need one of these. I still watched the whole thing :D
The Man In Black Is Back!!! PC retail banditos beware!
I enjoyed this video. I'm really interested in the MediaSonic 8 Bay Enclosure and Windows Storage Spaces (learned about this from another one of your awesome videos). Unfortunately, I have not been able to locate your performance review of the MediaSonic 8 Bay Enclosure. How has your experience been with using the MediaSonic 8 Bay Enclosure? Are you still using it? Did you ever buy a second unit? Any issues or concerns with the MediaSonic 8 Bay Enclosure?
Good to know. Might never be in that situation, but then again, the futures uncertain.Definitely interesting,and educational. Trying to absorb all the tech info I can these days-Thanks
I have an old Medea 4 units videodrive laying around as ornament. It’s ultra wide scsi and it’s got only 320gb spanned across 4 IDE drives. I’ve been having troubles putting additional drives to my trusty hp z600, it has only two 3.5 slots and two 5.25 external, that’s where I currently have 3 stacked disks just laying around. I thought of buying a drive cage for them, but it costs the same as your enclosure. Now I’ve just discovered I can mount them on my old Medea external raid enclosure, use molex to sata power adapters and a long sata cable for 4 drives directly attached from the motherboard to the disks on te enclosure. To bad I didn’t keep that old 16 disks big external raid from stone+wire I thrashed 15 years ago...
I hope you're not using those hard drives... You can buy one SD Card with 3 times more storage than that. :)
Please keep up the good worked. you are way more informed then any other place i looked. You helped me build my pc with no issues and great results for the price. I went with your ryzen 5 $800 build and all i can say is WOW! Thank You
It would make more sense to test the drives BEFORE shucking them. Especially since due to concerns of security you won't be utilizing any form of warranty down the road.
This video makes total sense. RAID is not a backup and Network Attach Storage. Keyword Network. Tech Deals is a one man operation so he probably doesn't have clients he needs to share files on a network. Great storage solution.
This video is BRILLIANT!! You have answered sooooo many of my questions. Thank you so much.🙂🙂🙂
Thank you tech for the windows storage space advice. Have you ever considered having a spin off playlist of set up / tutorials for software, you are an amazing teacher and we appreciate the hard work
No matter what you upload, I always love watching it, man! Awesome channel! Keep it up!
This is a great solution for having lots of drives without the mess of the cables and power adapters. I would think, even if you plan on doing more drives in the future, and you know you're going to expand, set this up and add as you go along, and it'll be much less headache down the road.
Side note: 31:17 - that epic oops face!
MidnightBanshi you are a very ugly person.
been thinking on doing a smaller scale version of this for a while, and connect it to a NUC to serve as a high density network storage/file server, so mo matter where i go i can access my work, illustrations and other content i might need , or want to show, from anywhere. Thanks for making this video!
I recently had a crashed hard drive. In retrospect this was the first sign: Windows booted half the times and half the time it got stuck before starting up. With another failed drive I experienced hanging of the GUI when attempting to load a folder. Here a golden tip, guys. If you notice anything suspicious with your hard drive, don't put any critical data on it any more. Especially make a backup of any critical data on internal drives, external drives should remain fine as long as you use them incidentally and you don't drop those or give shock in another way. Don't count on it though. Internal drives however will break someday, guaranteed! It is mechanical after all, where you have a mechanical device you have friction, where you have friction you destroy material and get a lot of heat which doesn't help either in the case of a mechanical drive.
This guy is a true professional
Love this channel. I have no need for any of this but the information and the way it is presented is too good to pass up. What a deal!
I always appreciate your videos and how informative they are Thanks for all the hard work you put into them.
First time listener mate. Wanted to skip... yet here I ended up watching the entire thing. Two thumbs up and cheers for the video.
The case enclosure on it's own looks really nice: I would actually still use this for a NAS and just get this with a nice small rig on top or next to it: Much better than paying a bunch of money to Synology or others for their enclosures when most of us have hardware that's robust enough for home or small offices just collecting dust.
+The_Misanthrope Synology offers management features this lacks, but comes with the challenge, how do you back it up?
Very interesting , i could listen all day. many thanks for your expertise and the Video upload , Zak from London
just a quick question, if a drive fails, how do you know which drive failed, - is there a fault led?
The Deal Man is the best medicine for a stormy day. I can actually enjoy an hour of peace.
Great video as always, it looks like a perfect solution for our workstation storage requirements.
Great to see your channel grow at such a short period of time. Have been here since your first 5k subscriber, love your work but i would love watching some short videos too!
I will call you a sissy his videos are the perfect length not to long and not to short, they are jusssst riahhhhtttt.
being an RUclipsr I 100% absolutely agree your point. Great video :) btw.. recently I built a FreeNAS raid, just because I need it on a NAS platform. Else I must've gone your way. I know this is not for everyone. People cannot understand the scale (includes regular users/gamers, etc). Being a systems architect, after my server is built, now I am exploring OpenZFS stack. Besides FreeNAS exploring possibilities on Linux Ubuntu Server (which includes OpenZFS support). :)
1/2 inch putty knife is your friend. Plastic works better than steel on staving the clips.
I'm sure you know this, but in case you don't running raid 5 on 8 TB drives is a waste of drives. If a drive fails rebuilding the array will fail more times than not due to error rates per TB of storage. It's just not recommended anymore to run raid 5 on large drives. Raid 6 is also pushing limits at 8 TB, and 10 TB is even worse. It sucks but it's just the way it is with large capacity drives.
i feel like this 8 bay enclosure is gonna be useful to me in the future
Wow its already 171k subscribers , will be 250k soon and probably 600k when you move to your new office . Congratulations and all the best !
"There is a lip here... Come on baby you know you wanna open...Hopefully I'm not making too many funny facial expressions as I'm doing this..." Tech Deals 2017
You're taking that all way out of context! Grr...
Tech Deals lol. Sorry. It was just too funny.
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Tech Deals: PG-13 edition.
Fresh haircut, fresh arctic teeth with a fresh skin tone. You never cease to amaze me.
You are like the Mr. Rogers of tech!
Raymond Garrett won't you be my neighbor?
Just dont leave him alone with your little boys!
Did Mr. Rodgers need to replace his terrible set of false teeth too? Way too distracting.
Thanks for your channel. I've only discovered you recently while I was toiling over 1070 vs 1080 decision. Your clear and concise approach helped me easily decide (1070).
I'd like to propose a possible future topic. What to do with your old computers. I have a pile of them in my basement. I've rebuilt and given away a couple but most are too old for that. I've heard that some resellers will take in one old computer for every new computer you buy, but I'm a build it myself guy.
eBay is my friend! :)
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I am curious what exactly you did as a consultant and how you became one given that as far as I understood from your earlier explanation you started basically without any formal inducation with a business with a friend and somehow got inside that world. And because I am much more curious than that might be healthy for a person. I can see you doing that work, some would call it paranoid to test out the hardware first extensively before actually putting 'critical' data on it but this is exactly how you ought to think when you advice companies how to do these things. I own the same drive, I love to see how you get it open and what it looks like inside.
I enjoyed this topic and look forward to your review after stress testing this solution, before I consider it for myself. I look forward to your computer and hardware topic videos. I'm not that much into the gaming demonstrations/reviews , but I've learned from them also.
Great video as always. And awesome humor at 31:15 😃
Have you thought about second hand LTO tape drives? LTO5 drive are fairly innexpensive and the tapes are cheap. That 40+ year shelf life of tapes is very appealing if you ask me.
I have had tons and tons of problems with mediasonic on MAC, going to get rid of it and move on to synology
external storage is so expensive it makes me sad I NEED MORE BACKUP STORAGE
In the modern era of plug and plays I think you well earned the techGyver award, great vid!
Hello there, thanks for the video, it's very informative. I'm starting to build my RAID storage myself, and I'm wondering if you had a hard drive failed so far?, Thanks
I hope you still like your Mediasonic H82-SU3S2 because I just ordered one. I do video editing storage, too.
For a moment i thought you were gonna pull an hammer
Didn't know un-boxing could be so amusing! Who needs sleep when there's Tech Deals?
Why didn't you go with wd easystore? They are 149 a pop and comes with helium filled 8TB wd red drives. Just saying..
There comes a point where you might as well build a 12 bay 2u server, put it in your basement, Linux it, zfs it, connect to it via a network. You may be there!
Awesome video! Any follow up now a few years later? Also, did you put this in a RAID or like JBOD?
No video follow up, I ended up using mirroring
Hi Tech Deals,
Interesting video, thanks. Got me to be interested in the 8tb Seagate externals.
If possible could you do an update in 2018-19 just to let us know about reliability of the drives, any issues and noise levels?
Nothing that takes tons of time or deep in-depth - just enough to let us know how the units are doing.
I'm interested too how the 8Tb Seagate Backup Plus Hub compares to the 8Tb Seagate Expansion, and compares to the 8Tb WD Mybook for use as backup, archive and 'put away in a safe place' storage.
Thanks for your consideration.
Pete
Wouldn't it make more sense to just get a big ATX case with lots of 3.5" drive bays, and a mobo with lots of SATA ports (mine has 6). Most motherboards support hardware RAID nowadays, don't they?
NAS drives also have vibration sensors that help the drive to compensate for vibration from other drives when they are in large RAID arrays. I'm not sure whether the Archive drives have those sensors or not.
I don't think they do... but for 8 drives in this enclosure, I'm betting it will be fine. We'll find out! :)
Once again top quality content. Thank you
Was that a double entendre I heard? I'm mortified! I thought I was watching Jay's. Seriously though, as a long time viewer, what I'm most waiting for is you going nuts and throwing things around. It's always the nice ones. I could make a laundry list of 'nice' teachers who suddenly went bananas, starting with sister Carol in the first grade. But don't sweat it. It happens. Could mean big numbers. Try this: a family build! That'll bring out the hulk! Alright. I'm done. I actually sat through most of the ads, on someone's advice, so I'm leaving a longer message as kind of a tit-for-tat deal. :)
:) It wasn't intentional... I was like "oh..." but didn't want to refilm it...
I recognise that you have stated that performance of the DAS is not an issue but have you considered the time it would take to write to the Parity Array which would be at between 30-50 MB/s ? Also are you using tiered storage to manage the Write Back Cache ? You have also said you use Backblaze as a backup, as the folder struture is different wont you need to back up the DAS again and how long would you anticipate that this would take ? More than 30 days ? so at the time of loading your existing backups will have been deleted from Backblaze ?
I very much enjoyed this video and I'm glad your using windows spaces as I'm very interested in it and have been doing a lot of reading on it, I may start using it for my needs
this is an excellent explanation of this sort of DAS approach.
thanks for the video !
Are you still using these 8bay enclosures ?
i would like to do sth very similar..but i am looking for a speedier connection. ideally i’d go for a 10GbE bay..since my next motherboard is going to feature a 10GbE port. i haven’t been able to find 8bay enclosures with 10GbE ports, though.
All of the Tb3 and/or 10GbE units are NAS .
Can you help me out ?
thanks ;)
Try plugging in the usb drive first before shucking, just to make sure it works.
awesome video mate! totally agree about advantages of this method vs NAS
As a pro photographer, this looks like an excellent idea on how I can store my photos long term. Did you post a follow-up video on this? I searched and couldn't find anything. I'm very interetded in how this has worked out for you and if you still recommend it. Thanks and enjoy your videos!
How is those drive now? How many still up?
Currently Costco are doing a discount on back up plus hud. I'm planing to buy it but I affair it will dead easily.
Did something similar with four 8TB WD mydrives that have RED drives inside ... that were on sale for $160 at Best Buy. That's a savings of $100 per drive over bare REDs.
This guy reminds me of a geeky Mr Rogers! With hints of Ace Ventura Pet Detective! Nice video.
it's been 5 years or so since you made this video, how are the enclosures working for you? are you still using this setup?
The drives have been replaced, the enclosures are still working just fine.
That has me thinking about changing up my current network backup for home.
I have a very large amount of data with a 500mbps upload speed but I've only been able to upload 200gb in 2 days to backblaze over a wired connection.
TD, How is the MediaSonic drive enclosure working for you? Have read some reviews about them disconnecting, etc. Wonder if those with bad experiences were using USB connection rather thean eSata?
Looking crisp in that black shirt! Best dressed techtuber for sure.
With the wd my book external hard drive YOU can re-use the case with any hard drive with a small easy mod.
I've been looking for a good DAS device, I just need to know if it will support 2.5'' inch Seagate Backup plus hard drives before I start pulling out the drives from their casings and placing them into the bays.
actual video starts around 29:56
I’m always surprised to see the convoluted ways people come up with to increase storage. Just get a NAS, you won’t regret it.
keep up the good work tech deals !!
Do an updated one with future proof and add on bays.
Being just the average user I obviously don't need anything like this for back up(I don't even back up, that's how important my data is, If I somehow got a wirus I'd just wipe drive and reinstall) but say I wanted the storage(for...research...) could I use it without Storage Spaces? would Windows see it as 8 drives or 1 large drive?
What is interessting in this one is Raid 50 with six or eight drives ! The rebuild success rate with six 8TB hdds with maximum 10^15 error rates per bit should be at minimum minimum 94 % what is really good. RAID 5 rebuild success with five 8TB is only at minimum 78%....
RAID isn't backup, if you care about your data, you have a duplicate off-site backup of it.
it'll be interesting to see how the archive drives hold up. I've done something similar with shucked archive drives in an icydock 4 bay enclosure and also Seagate backup plus hub drives in their external cases configured into a windows simple storage space on a backup server.
3 out of 4 of the externals have failed with excessive reallocated sectors within a year. The shucked Seagate archive drives have been ok so far. Failures happen when drives >90% utilized. A combination of passive cooling and side effects of SMR?
I've switched to the wd red drives. Haven't seen a problem with them either internally or externally.
I just want to use this array for PLEX as a JBOD. While RAID is the way to go to be redundant, I find that I spend more money on HDD's just to have a mirror copy and cut my storage in half, that I don't like because I'm not rich $$$ lol. So I go the JBOD route and I just make backups on very inexpensive BD-DL 50GB Discs (Blu-Ray discs) this is actually the cheapest way to ensure I have a backup rather then spending money on HDD's. Right now, I sit at about 10TB of data for my PLEX server, getting this array will alleviate my storage issues for a few years. I have amassed this 10TB of data in just 2.5 years..... People used to say, "what the hell do you need a Terabyte of storage" LOL, I laugh at that now.
I have 3 external hard drives with files on them. I remove them from their cases and insert into MediaSonic bay. The existing files can be read from 1 of the drives however the other 2 drives claim they need to be Formatted. Google / RUclips searching has failed me. What's going on? Why do I have to format (and then restore the files from backup) on 2 of my 3 drives? Or is there simple fix?
Any video TechDeals uploads-I watch.
hi do you have a update video on this product i was wouding how they have worked and if you had any issues with them
I need a NAS and I should do this a pick up the drives as I need them the prices are falling and ssd drives are getting cheaper and larger over time as well
On the enclosure, 3 Gigabit per second (375MB/s), not terrible but I would see this as a pretty big bottleneck for a raid 0 setup
I went with the RocketStor 6414VS 4-Bay Q-SATA 10 Gigabit per second.
I use it as my 16TB game drive :D (with an ssd caching layer on it)
Were you going to do a followup video on this? How is it working out for you?
Hey! Love your videos.
I'm considering starting to make content on RUclips built around recorded gameplay footage. It's going to be built around lots of gameplay, and I'd like to be able to archive footage for 'before and after' comparisons. Basically, I want to store tons of games of League of Legends in the best visual fidelity I can (currently I play the game at 1080p 144hz, but I'm limited by my monitor)...
I have no idea how to estimate how much storage space I need for this sort of project and after watching this video you seem like a good person to ask. If I want to store gameplay at ~1080p, 120fps or 4K, 120fps if I can swing that... how should I start figuring out my storage situation? I'd like to keep it separate from my main system, and I'd also like to have this hard drive space available as a NAS for my (two) roommates and I. I don't necessarily need to edit from this storage, I should be able to copy specific videos that I want to edit/cut to a SSD either in a NAS or on my workstation to scrub and whatnot there.
I'm at the very entry-level when it comes to content creation, but I'm also a bit of an enthusiast when it comes to system building and gaming so I was already considering upgrading to a Ryzen 7 system for gaming/streaming/editing. I also have a dedicated system that's running (virtualized) PFSense as my router and could probably also hook up to an external array like this to run a 'RAID' hypervisor... I have a very basic understanding of all that stuff, but have no idea how to estimate what I should be aiming for in terms of storage space.
35:57 Watching this 5 years later: YOU CAN TOTALLY REUSE IT! I did. I bought two of these externals back in 2019 (really wish I had purchased more). I shucked them and kept the bits. About two years later the the PC exploded (figuratively). I simply slapped the drives back into the enclosures and voila, they're externals again. Now I'm looking at one of those 16 TB Exos or IronWolf Pro for the new build I'm finally able to do.
I wonder, do you still use Windows Storage Spaces? I don't actually expect a response since this video is old. I will check through the other videos for updates.
Hi from 2023… yes, I still use storage spaces, but I’m working on getting rid of it. I am building a new video editing PC in a Corsair 7000X case and I’m going to put 6x 18TB drives internally for storage and run them in RAID 1 via disk management and not storage spaces.
I have compressed down the old videos and cleaned out unneeded files to save on space. I plan to sell the rest of my 8 bay enclosures when this is done.
@@TechDeals 6x18! Excuse my math... move the 1... HOLY TERABYTES, TECHBAT! You can finally install a 100 TB BatCat videogame! I was just watching your SSD Review 2019 Edition where you said TB instead of GB. Joke's dead now... heh!
Aaanyway..! If you don't mind me asking, which 18TB drives are you using?
I am so glad you replied. I checked the price difference and I'm thinking I should just go for an 18TB for +$20 [+$30 on the Seagate externals I'm seeing on Amazon].
You ever buy another one of these? How has it been holding up? Love to hear of an update.
I watched you struggle with that storage case and laugh out loud cause i was doing the same thing with my Son . Adding more storage to his computer. Took 30 minutes to crack it open 😂
Noticed that NVidia doesn't have the GTX 1050 listed on the registration page when I tried to register my new one. Wonder what's going on with that. Also no registration card in box.. and it was brand new sealed box from newegg.
God is good to me and mine!
Nice common sense video. I bought a 4bay "icy box" enclosure for all the same reasons. Just way easier than messing around with NAS.
(incidentally - i couldn't be bothered attaching the little handles to the drives. if you've got good squeeze power in your finger tips you can still remove them without the handles on :-)
Thanks for the video. It was very informative. Is there a way to connect this to my router at home and have all the computers connect to it? I desperately need to back up my small youtube channel's files, personal files and my wife's stuff as well. But of course i really only need 4TB and i would like to have what u call parity to swap out a bad drive if need be without losing data
That isn't backup... if the files aren't off site, they aren't backed up...
You're asking about a NAS, but that is just shared file storage, a backup has to be in a different location and offline...