Eric Steinhart - Is the Soul Immortal?
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The claim that human beings have or are an ‘immortal soul’ goes back to the ancient Greeks, if not further. In a pre-scientific world, it would seem absurd for our inner awareness not to continue, irrespective of what happens to our bodies. Today science rejects the soul, yet there are diverse viewpoints around.
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Eric Steinhart is a Professor of Philosophy at William Paterson University.
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Do we really make more souls when we have children? If we can, then we don't seem to take that responsibility as seriously as we should. Do animals have souls? If not, why not? Do plants? Are we the only soul making entities in the universe? Is there maybe only a single soul and we are all just part of it? Might that be how consciousness is fundamental? I don't have any of these answers, but I think it's important to consider things not just from the first person perspective, but from everyone's.
I love that phrase "the first person sense of self is an illusion". This is key to the question - if I live on after death, then which version of me will live on? Because in every second of your life you are a different person.
In my humble opinion, the respectable gentleman has greatly exaggerated the significance of minute changes over a 10 minute period, let alone as you suggest, second to second.. Barring sudden traumatic experiences, personalities are quite stable over many years.. Are we different people in 10 minutes? No, I think not.. Peace.
@@Bill..N I agree. The persistence of memory in every mind contributes hugely to a sense of self that persists over time; the mind may grow wiser as it ages, but self-reflection integrates all memories into a unified whole that is your "self."
@dickwagenaar3684 Well said friend...
the idea of living on after death is absurd
@@chrisgarret3285We may not be mere phsycial in nature.
I love this guys content. It’s actually high level discussion about the topic that’s hard to find elsewhere… most people boil down and dumb down things and specific distinctions. But it always feels clarifying to watch these.
Nice ideas in this interview!
No soul, no "mind" seperate from the brain. NO DUALISMS period.
Even the ignorant and idiots get a vote 🙂
please show us your peer-reviewed paper demonstrating this.
You wrote it, I read it, voila Dualism. Just sayin’.
Thanks for posting interesting discussion Sir 👍👍👍
Really nice presentation, Thanks.
I like Eric's phrase 'There is no personal identity'. ...
I didn't understand that. Would you mind summarizing?
this one is mindblowing, me as a person really intereste in the overlap brtween spirituality and science and finally someonr is speaking eithout conflicting the two. Outstanding video
I didn't quite follow the guests points. Would you mind summarizing?
Wonderful! Thank you for this.
And imortal brainfarts also!?!🙄🥴
When I think about soul, I think about consciousness, which seems to be a property of a certain type of information processing, which is lost in death. Yeah I sincerely hope I'm wrong :(
Why? What kind of disembodied eternal consciousness (and of what) would be pleasant? Read a Beckett novel to see what I mean.
Think of consciousness as the interface between the soul and your perception of reality. The soul is a fundamental property of consciousness.👈 I hope this brings you peace of mind.
The unintended consequences of the distinctions made during and after the Enlightenment include:
1. Loss of holistic understanding: The sundering of various aspects, such as purpose from scientific explanation or values from facts, can lead to a fragmented understanding of the world. This fragmentation may result in a limited perspective that fails to capture the interconnectedness and complexity of phenomena.
2. Oversimplification of complex issues: By separating theoretical inquiries from practical inquiries, there is a risk of oversimplifying complex issues by reducing them to purely practical or abstract considerations. This oversimplification may overlook the nuanced interactions and interdependencies between theory and practice.
3. Neglect of moral and ethical dimensions: The separation of morality from law can lead to a neglect of moral and ethical considerations in decision-making processes. When moral principles are divorced from legal frameworks, there is a risk of prioritizing legal compliance over ethical responsibility, potentially resulting in unjust outcomes.
4. Loss of metaphysical and philosophical insights: The relegation of metaphysical and philosophical reasoning to the sidelines may limit our exploration of existential questions, ultimate meanings, and deeper understandings of human experience. By focusing solely on empirical evidence, there is a risk of disregarding valuable insights offered by metaphysical or philosophical perspectives.
5. Potential exclusion of diverse voices: The dominance of empirical evidence and the marginalization of alternative modes of reasoning may exclude or devalue perspectives rooted in religious, cultural, or philosophical traditions. This exclusion can limit the richness of discourse and impede the recognition of diverse worldviews and their contributions.
6. Loss of interconnectedness: The sundering of various aspects of knowledge and understanding may lead to a diminished sense of interconnectedness between different domains of inquiry. The world is a complex web of relationships, and by isolating certain aspects or disciplines, we may overlook the intricate connections and interdependencies that exist.
7. Reductionism and overspecialization: The compartmentalization of knowledge and the emphasis on empirical evidence can foster reductionism and overspecialization. This narrow focus on specific areas of study may limit the broader perspective needed to tackle complex problems that require interdisciplinary approaches.
8. Potential for scientism: The emphasis on empirical evidence and the privileging of scientific inquiry may give rise to scientism, the belief that science is the only valid or superior form of knowledge. This can result in a dismissive attitude towards other forms of knowledge, such as philosophical, spiritual, or experiential insights, and undervalue their contributions to human understanding.
9. Ethical and social implications: The separation of morality from law and the detachment of values from facts may have ethical and social implications. Without considering moral and ethical dimensions, societal decisions and policies may prioritize pragmatic concerns over broader ethical considerations, potentially leading to injustices or disregard for human well-being.
10. Potential loss of meaning and purpose: The separation of purpose from scientific explanation may lead to a reductionist worldview that neglects existential questions about the meaning and purpose of life. This can result in a sense of alienation or nihilism, as individuals may struggle to find deeper significance and connection in a purely empirical and materialistic framework.
To address these unintended consequences, it is essential to recognize the limitations of a purely empirical approach and embrace a more holistic and integrative perspective. Acknowledging the interconnectedness of knowledge, valuing diverse forms of inquiry and understanding, and fostering interdisciplinary collaboration can help mitigate these unintended consequences and lead to a more comprehensive and nuanced comprehension of the world.
In order to claim it's an illusion... while also being stuck in said illusion... is circular in nature and therefor meaningless.
Robert's face: "What the f...".
We're an eternal soul experiencing reality, We're here to experience and learn in my opinion, I didn't believe in an eternal soul,I didn't believe anything happened after death but a dmt experience blew my mind and my eyes were opened
All dmt did was temporarily rewire your brain thought patterns. Think of it as showing you another way your brain could work normally. Nothing magical about it.
Excellent.... thanks 🙏.
By "soul" is actually meant the (immaterial) *CONSCIOUS PERSONALITY* that is connected to the brain. The neurons of the brain are merely the wires supplying this conscious personality with the DATA of the material world.
Why do the people and the know it all scientists not realize this basic fact? 😠
The self may change every moment, but it's build upon a base of experience. This is the same for everything in nature. Mt Kosiusko isn't going to grow a few kilometres and become like Mt Everest. But it will always change, based on prior events. Likewise, if a copy of your brain exists (without destroying your brain in the process) it is based on the same prior events. Not quite like an isomorphic twin because it is born when you are an adult.
Who would the brain be creating an illusion of consciousness for ? If the brain creates the self then the brain is greater than the self -so what would be the transcendent entity that created the brains ? The fact is the soul is not the body because the mind becomes aware of the body only in mindful subjective ways, such as pain and pleasure. If your mind was the body, you would experience everything in your body happening constantly, 24 seven. And in fact in most cases, the mind is trained to avoid the body
We do experience our body 24/7
I like millions of others want to believe that this Life isn't the end of our self and existence. I just hope that if there is an afterlife that they have decent Wifi and Chinese buffets.
Please don't forget ice cream and cake! Thanks!
Will you please interview Dr. Bruce Greyson? 🙏
Thank you for doing these in a church, so I know which ones to just skip
Are you a soulless ape?
I would be very pleasantly surprised if I emerge after death and realize I still have any kind of consciousness.
Don't worry, you won't.
@@user-yq2wc2ug8m you absolutely will
@@AlexLifeson1985 Bullshit.
Although I am a philosophical naturalist, it is NOT inconceivable, even with science as our guide..There certainly are mainstream theories that predict a certain kind of immortality." If so, however, it likely would NOT be an uninterrupted continuation of ones sense of self.. Peace.
@@Bill..N well at least that is a more open-minded view than most.
Awareness is known by awareness alone.
Interesting concept, but somewhat illogical. The undeniable truth is that we only ever experience “our” consciousness and only have a single sense of self. A copy, in whatever form, would always just be that, a copy - which would have its own, seperate, sentience. Our consciousness and sense of self cannot split. We cannot have two or more consciousnesses simultaneously. He seems to be tying himself in knots the deeper he attempts to explain this ‘theory’… this is what happens when you try to ignore what is right in front of us…
By "soul" is actually meant the (immaterial) *CONSCIOUS PERSONALITY* that is connected to the brain. The neurons of the brain are merely the WIRES supplying this conscious personality with the DATA of the material world.
Why do the people and the know it all scientists not realize this basic fact? 😠
Do you have any justification for your claims?
Topological Architecture Constructs Self? What About Attributes of Identity? Dualism, Indeed.
As long as you are bound by words there shall be no answer
It’s late, but what was the question?
3:40 great question Lawrence. No, the clone will not have the first person experience or awareness. The clone would know it's a clone. If it is kept hidden from the come that it is a clone, even then the come will have it's own separate separate sense of self. No doubt about that.
Yes the " soul " is clearly a word open to interpretation. How it's defined makes all the difference. Bible text says the soul that sins it shall die. In that context the soul is an individual person. According to that definition souls are NOT immortal. However other bible texts say there is a SPIRIT in man. In common usage there is some conflation there. Is the spirit the same as the soul ????? I would say NOT. The spirit returns to its source at death of the soul ( the individual creature ). So where does consciousness reside ???? That is the question. There is more than one form of consciousness. Egoic consciousness is a set of mental habits and memories that reside in the body / mind of the creature. Ego can come and go. Ego changes from time to time. On the other hand spirit is pure awareness with no egoic identity. That's why it doesn't die. It needs nothing. It never changes. It simply returns to " place " of origin . . . " God." Modern " non-duality " teaching supports this point of view.
Robert! Why you afraid of the idea of mystic unity? Be open. Loosen the grip on your identity. Eric was excellent. Thank you Robert.❤❤❤
Mitra! Why you afraid of the idea of having your feet on the ground?
"Loosen the grip of one's identity"? Are you nuts? If you loosen the grip you couldn't say what you are saying.
@@Elaphe472 Why must almost every response on RUclips contain a personal insult? Be better.
@@Elaphe472 So ignorant.
I saw that Elape's comment was the highlight comment. This gives me a message that the creator of the channal has liked it. this means that the identity in the creator has reached a power that does not tolerate any criticism. By reducing clinging to the idea of identity, we will not get stressed when we face the idea of two people being one. It means that logic and reason should be involved in the discussion, not emotions. Anyway, my goal is the better evolution of this RUclips channel and I hope Robert will make better videos in the future.
Let me explain a little to clarify my point of view. When I talked about loosening the grip on identity, I meant meditation. We all have worldviews that we think are correct. For this reason, thinking about other worldviews causes an uncomfortable feeling that affects our behavior. Note that thousands of years ago there were worldviews that are unacceptable for today's humans. In the same way, our today's worldview may not be acceptable to the people of that time thousands of years later. By loosening the grip on identity, we allow the mind to think logically without getting involved with emotions.
I do believe some part of our consciousness survives bodily death, but our personality may only survive for a brief time.
what evidence do you have for this belief.??
Based on what?
If your personality doesn’t survive then is whatever survives really you ?
@@davenchop A study of mediumship which I used to write a book published in 1993 - US title 'Surviving Death'. (St. Martin's Press). IMO there is too much evidence to deny the phenomena of mediumship, although I came to disagree with the ideas of most spiritualists about the nature of the afterlife.
@@fartpooboxohyeah8611 See comment above.
Patterns and fields, patterns and fields.
Those things spread, dissipate and fade away.
@@makeracistsafraidagain well, yes, some over the course of billions of years.
Jesus Im waiting for you with open arms! Please save us all from this demonic world. I still trust in you and keep faith even through hard times.
As a single mom, things have been tough my husband passed years ago. Both of my sons are autistic. I’m struggling to support myself and my children but my faith in GOD is still strong! I lost my job at Forsyth hospital for declining the vaccine. I’ve been struggling since. I declined because of my health conditions lupus, and heart disease. Since losing my job I’ve been struggling to support my children. I’m now waitressing and I’m grateful but I’m not making nearly enough. Mandates are still in place so I can’t go back to any hospital. I’m tired of struggling.But God has provided for me through this storm. It hasn’t been easy. But I know all things are possible through Jesus. I will not fear. BUT I’m keeping FAITH. No one can stop what God has for us! Faith over fear. I know God will continue to provide.
I LOVE YOU JESUS ❤
That is such a sad story, friend, truly.. NEVER give up. Quoting from a fine film, "we never know what the tide will bring in. ".. Peace..
Cultist alert⚠
Historical Jesus does not exist.
Biblical Jesus exists in the bible, a fictional novel.
Oh he's real in your mind. He is not your God.
Your God is another dude that gave birth to your Jesus.
Sp either God was a women or he made a little clone without power, without sexual organ. This clone called Jesus could not procreate.
Sure if having faith is the source of your strength, then so be it.
But please do every one a favour : keep it to yourself. Do not preach.
Throughout history, religious preaching was the main cause of various bloody wars.
The first person sense of self - is the internal, thinking observer - watching a hologram-like image of the outer environment - created within the mind - using sensory perception.
While I agree with you I find it problematic that we have such unique consciousness with our mind constructing reality yet everyone you meet is seeing and experiencing the same thing at the same moment as you. ex: 2 people standing and watching a magnificent waterfall. We are both having the same unique hologram? how?
@@OutHereOnTheFlats /// The Self-Creating Universe - using Precise Information, Precise Concepts of Beauty, Precise Principles of Physical and Biological Laws - creates the first Cosmic particles, then 15 billion years later, you and I are seeing the same unique hologram of the same magnificent waterfall. Truly Miraculous. Perhaps our collective holograms are being viewed by the same observer through the lens of personal selfness. I stand in awe of Nature's Beauty and The "First-Cause" of it all, with gratitude for the gift of life, so I can see it for myself. The above is just my personal speculation, based on various trainings, but nothing to write home about.
There is a difference between a real (non-supernatural) soul = spirit = mind is not exactly the same as the body. Now, whole human body is part of a whole swarm mind which is very tied to its shape and form, however only part of that whole swarm mind is most important to our identity as ourselves, thus if we took the patterns of information which include your way of thinking, your memories, and your personality; and moved that into another physical structure upon which that same mind can operate then you have effectively moved your mind.
The point being the soul = spirit = mind is tied to the human brain and yet not tied to the human brain.
Another point to understand in this is that inside your brain the most important parts of your mind to you, your pilot self-aware consciousness, moves around inside your physical brain, is constantly changing so that it is not exactly the same as what it was the moment before where the longer the time change the greater the difference, and at times that most important part is literally turned off, put away, stored, to later be brought back in and started back up.
Now, let us say it was a century from now and we moved your mind into a nanotech cybernetic artificial general super intelligent brain. If we also left your mind in your original brain the two instances would begin to diverge, that is, unless you created a feedback system to keep the two the same. You might question how this could be done, considering it would be like two people linked, so would not the two people still be different.
Well, here is another piece of the puzzle about human minds... they are swarm minds.
The human mind already has multiple separate intelligent parts which are linked but not the exactly the same.
I wonder why there are no Turkish subtitles even in "automatic translation".
A lipid bilayer is like a soap bubble. The soul of a cell. This makes a bubble of cells a living soul.
I strongly think that we are more than our bodies for many reasons. NDEs, OBEs, are of course a huge source of evidence but also the fact that our bodies are always changing. I mean 100% of the particles which compose the body are renewed, so in a purely materialistic view I am not the same bunch of matter as many years ago. But still I think I am the same person. So what persist? It’s a kind of information and memory of myself. And we cannot destroy information. So in a sense my self cannot be destroyed.
Consciousness is energy and energy ne er dies .
I don’t know if the soul is immortal, but I do know that all of us existed since the dawn of time. Please allow me to explain: As humans, we often grapple with concepts like time, space, existence, and the universe's creation, and one of the main theories about the emergence of the universe, so we have been told by physicists (and I heard some of the people you interviewed in the past state exactly that), is that it could have come from absolutely nothing. They claim that prior to the big bang, there was no time, no space, nothing at all.
And then there are those that take the possibility in account that it could have always been, in whatever form, without beginning. Neither option seems, at first sight, to make much sense, because how can something, especially something as vast as hundreds of billions if not trillions of galaxies, each one filled with hundreds of billions of stars and trillions of planets, come from noting.
But the other option, that matter has always been, without beginning, also seems to make little sense. That would mean if we go back 10 thousand billion trillion Googleplex years….there it was. And further and further and further back in time….it just was.
Makes no sense. But it would have had to be one of these two options. Either it came from nothing, or it always was.
And while nobody can know the answer, there is a way to look at it that makes at least some sense, and this way is the intriguing postulate that there was never a time when there was absolutely nothing. The reason being: the possibility that something could exist, always was.
To understand this, we must first elucidate the nature of 'possibility.' It's a concept with no mass, occupies no space, and has no temporal existence. It just was, is, and always will be. And best of all: We can wrap our minds around this fact. It makes sense. At least to those of us who use their fate given faculties. Without the realm of possibility, the genesis of any event, any thing, and any life would be null.
The interplay between possibility and actuality is governed by certain premises. Foremost is the principle that only possible things can transpire, and conversely, impossibilities remain as such. For instance, the readers who are reading these words cannot un-read them - it's an impossibility in our timeline. Yes, you can forget them, but you cannot un-read them. Impossible things cannot happen, only those that are possible.
Yet, it is essential to note that not all potentialities must convert into reality. The realm of possibilities is expansive, while reality is selective. For example, it is possible for an individual to rise and walk at this moment, but they may choose not to, leaving that possibility unfulfilled.
Diving deeper, the temporal sequence of possibility and actuality draws our attention. Each event's possibility must precede the actual occurrence, laying the groundwork for its potential existence. This pre-actual stage is timeless and unbounded - a possibility has no beginning, mirroring the eternally existing concept of possibility itself.
Given these principles, a radical insight emerges about our existence. Each one of us, as conscious entities, exists - an actual event in time and space. But long before our physical manifestation, the possibility of our existence was present. This implies that we existed eternally (at least in the eternal past) as a possibility, awaiting our moment of actualization in the physical reality.
What we can conclude from that is that our journey from nothingness to something is not a linear progression but rather an eternal dance of possibilities. Each possibility, with its inherent timeless and formless nature, holds within itself the seed of manifestation, ever ready to transcend into the realm of reality. The foundational entity is not nothing, but rather the possibility of something. Under this perspective, the seemingly paradoxical notion of "something from nothing" dissolves, replaced by an understanding that the canvas of existence was never truly blank.
Instead, it was always teeming with the raw, unfathomable power of possibility - the timeless potential that is the mother of all existence. And in that sense, the soul is immortal, because we are not impossible, or we would not exist. And while possible things don’t have to happen, they can and do, as our presence proofs. I just hope they happen over and over again 😊
Sorry, I wrote such a long essay type of response, but I hey….worse things happen in this word. Take are and keep up the good work!!
I'm pretty sure that if Aristotle knew what neurons and synapses were, he would never have said anything about a soul.
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energy + information= soul ?
Soul is a term belonging to yogic, platonic, mystical and esoteric thought or speech, at least for now. What those schools of thought are talking about is not computable, perhaps not even to AI. In the same way that we need telescopic technology to extend the senses for investigating layers or dimensions of reality which are too subtle observe with physical senses, these schools of thought have implied that a technology which allows access to observing subtle "layers" of the human body must be either created physically or discovered nonphysically, that is to say we need either a mechanical technology which extends human senses like a telescope can, or we need the inner technology of the human mind/body continuum which facilitates internal sensory awareness mechanisms, the latter of which is totally plausible when considering that actual examples of humans who have mastered these internal mechanisms have not only been historically documented but also exist today and defy our standard scientific metric and method of inquiry.
Maybe so, but plausibility is a far cry from probability or reality. It's about the same as an illusion on a scale of possibilities. Learning the causes and effects of interactions following physical laws, having produced already and eventually producing more forms and bodies portative and mobile, ergo changing positions in four dimensions, unlike fixed statues and uncharged robots, seems a more fruitful exercise. However, your thinking is still plausible and worth a closer look too. I wish you good luck.
@@abeautifuldayful 🤔
@@Telonious_Terp 🤙
Superb comment!
If a soul is immortal... what it is...then we are not humans...
No one really knows about what happens after death, so anyone who claims that they know is incorrect. My belief is it really doesn't matter because regardless of what we believe it's already been determined by the nature of Reality. Belief in an afterlife is not a right or wrong question and your beliefs won't determine what actually happens.
He was going for the throat here, I wonder if theres something personal in this discussion underlying the behaviour
Plot twist : there is no soul.
Consciousness is all around.
If the soul exists, it has to be immortal.
This guy sucked me in like two neodymium magnets.. I feel obliged to disagree, but I can't figure out what it would be on..
What if when we die we find out that there is really only a single consciousness that disassociated into parts called you and me? That there is ultimately only one uni-verse makes this seem most likely; because the only way one consciousness can become an other is through disassociation.
The soul is an ego conscious fragment of the one consciousness, on a journey of unification.
@@FrankDeAlto 👍🏻
The word soul is a general term for one's sense of self, but that is not a specific entity, it is a process interwoven with your metabolism, your biological species,, your evolutionary background, the chemistry of Earth and the physics of the entire universe. Your individual point of view is an effect, not a 'spirit' contained in your body that will someday be released yet retain the same memories and identity that you believe you have now. You are not the same person you were when you were 6 years old yet you identify yourself with those few vague fragments of memory that represent your past. There is no unique "you," only an idea of self that is an expression of an underlying process.. That process will continue after your death but "you" won't.
Not the soul, you have to give up your soul to find immortal self of all selfs, then your self is the self of all selfs and then your soul is immortal although your soul will die.
“Self awareness is an illusion” ok so what experiences that Illusion? I love closer to the truth, but don’t think we got closer to any greater understanding here.
So then the soul is an illusion. Thanks.
"We are a flame 🔥 passed on " brilliant. BUT is the flame your life or is it just the energy empty of the information allowing us to be unique. I believe we are like flames but somehow we pass on genetics which are unique.
no man can answer that question, you can pretend that you know by quoting aristotle and freud but you're just baffling us with bull. I would take my chances with Hinduism, any-day.
I think the obvious response to any neo-Platonist waxing idiotic about the soul is this: the donklebrunk is spoffie, while the farkliss is vadpin, and thus, the soul is nonexistent. And then you just put your fingers in your ears and walk away before you are subjected to any more of their delusion.
Have you ever tried to remember where you were before birth?
Putting the label, soul, on this conceptualization of the 'self' works for me, but it ain't what most theists mean by 'soul'
When we are on Earth, we are like raindrops that drop from the clouds. Isolated and alone, we fall. Our fall to earth is our life. We fear what will happen when we hit the ground. It will end us. But we don't realize that we will not hit the ground at the end of our lives. We will land in the ocean. The ocean is consciousness, and the ocean is God. At that point, we will once again be connected to pure consciousness. We are not separate rain drops. We are the ocean, and all of us are connected and indistinguishable from others. And just like the rain cycle, we live lives inside time and experience mortality as rain drops and then return to the ocean and repeat. Enjoy your life and learn. Do not fear hitting the ground.
losing all sense of separateness is an alternative form of death. To be indistinguishable from others is a loss of personhood. There is no "me" to experience peace, joy, enlightenment. I learn nothing because there is no "I".
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As a movie geek, I have to say: GHOST IN THE SHELL.
By "soul" is actually meant the (immaterial) *CONSCIOUS PERSONALITY* that is connected to the brain. The neurons of the brain are merely the wires supplying this conscious personality with the DATA of the material world.
Why do the people and the know it all scientists not realize this basic fact? 😠
It's always dangerous to go into high abstract words, where these words do not meet, any common experience. The we hear "We could take a brain and scan it and generate an exactly functionally equivalent of that brain inside a computer".
No, it's not true. We can't generate an exactly functionally equivalent of the brain.
As about identity that's just hindu and buddhist belief, just like other beliefs. It's an outright contradiction of western culture and religion, but we can choose what we believe. One may choose buddhism another judaism or islam or chistianity. Science, except, philosophy has nothing to say about which religion is right or maybe they're all wrong.
Which you is you?
Straight up stoner talk !! I love it!! Blaze up!
If the soul exists and is immortal one will have an infinite life. Try to imagine infinite. Horrifying, isn't it?
I sincerely hope (and trust) I will not exist forever.
Non existence, obliteration of consciousness is equally horrifying. Of the two alternatives, I choose life,.,
@@rickdalbey6009 This is not a choice: afterlife exists, or doesn't exist. As long as there's not a single clue of evidence for the existence of anything supernaturals I have to assume that I have only one chance to live. Either you believe that some god created you with the purpose of going to heaven or to hell - he knows in advance how it will end (You don't have a choice: it is how he made you, or he is not the all-knowing and therefore not a real god?), or you don't believe in fairy-tales about ghosts and spirits and afterlife and you're going nowhere anyway. Live your life now, you don't get a second chance!
Assumed soul exist! What is soul then?! That is the question that comes first.
They're discussing the same thing and trying to explain it in similar way how it is very clearly explained in Hindu scriptures like "Bhagwad Geeta" thousands of years ago. Hinduism believes that we are not what we see as our Body but we are essentially what people call as "Soul". This body dies but the soul never dies, it just changes shape.
It will be fun to watch my form in a computer eat breakfast, strain at stool, get irritated with the newspaper, feel bored and challenged. If it doesn’t do all that, then it is a crappy Hallowe’en copy
And not me.
What's a soul?
You don't have one!
@@jimdandy6121 We don't.
What “soul”?
Regarding human has two souls, as I mentioned, your sleeping body is your godly soul ( (only human's godly soul is able to become devil!)) and your awaking body is your animal soul! Platonic form of human is dualistic, however, if we put the form in the future, that's correct, I mean, our souls (fallen Adam, the animal soul, & Eve, the godly soul) will be perfectly improved in the love of LORD God over time. what are we and a traditional answer has given a soul an immortal soul or some kind of soul that's united with the body religions talk about this obviously many philosophers what can we say from a modern scientific point of view aobut the concept of sour is it just to be dismissed? 0:30 ES: I don't think the concept of sould should be dismissed from a modern scientific view I think it has to change and remarkably the most scientific concept of the soul is one of the oldest which is Aristotle's conception of the soul is the form of the body [ which is different from Platonic dualistic soul is the core of the body, the immortal and perfect form ] Aristotle said the soul is the form of a body you know a living body with organs and a few little things like that. So we can think about the form of the body very clear, right today in scientific terms you can think about the form of your body in terms of your DNA. [No NO NO! this is misunderstanding about Aristotle's conception of the soul. Aristotle's concept of the living soul is exactly the same as the biblical soul, in Hebrew word is נֶפֶש חַיָּה, Gn1:20,21; 2:7, a moving thing with a body, in terms of scientific term is the state of collapsed wave function of the life system of human being. Humans' genome is a body of an organelle at sub cellular level. I don't think human's genome is human's soul though I don't know whether human's genome as a part of human has a soul or not, I mean, Aristotle's soul of human is exactly the same thing as human's body, that is why there's no soul word used in biology as Bob said it's unnecessary to use two words discribe one concept. Regarding human has two souls, as I mentioned, your sleeping body is your godly soul and your awaking body is your animal soul! ] 1:18 ... the Aristotelian concept of soul makes an enourmous amount of scientific sense. It's not the Cartesian or Tonistic conception of the soul (dualistic or something is true) that's right. I mean uh you have the form of your body like a basketball has the form of roundness. 1:35 ❤Well we say you have the form why do you even need a word soul if the body is just body and the brain is just the brain why are you introducing a new term you're saying it's important we should have it why. 1:48 ES: well ... okay what I'm saying is you don't need that term if you're just going to have the brain is to say the form of the brain the structure of the brain the pattern of the brain. 2:02 5:00 if you were able to take the form of my brain and body put it into a computer and it would really be me and it would have its own sense of moment to moment it would have that sense. ....ES: well we have two lives that overlap (yeah right) lives are four-dimensional things that are extended in time (and when you made the duplicate and before that there was only one then you made the duplicate now there are two but that second) no no no no you've got this wrong there are two lives that overlap and when I made the duplicate that overlap came apart that's a four-dimensional way of thinking if you were looking at it four dimensionally. You would have two lives that's 7:08 blablabla
Are quarks immortal*?
They are nuts!
A better question is: Do souls exist? Answer: No.
How about the question How many definitions of 'soul' can you think of?
@@arthurwieczorek4894 Well I've never heard any definition other than it's a non physical "essence" of your being, and transcends your death, which is obviously not true.
@@DannyWitmer That is a fine definition. Most literal. After I'm dead if someone said 'Arthur's soul is in those notebooks', it would not be your definition of 'soul' that was meant.
there is no evidence supporting the existence of souls.
The beliefs that souls exist and then live on after death is a comforting human delusion
Why?
By "soul" is actually meant the (immaterial) *CONSCIOUS PERSONALITY* that is connected to the brain. The neurons of the brain are merely the wires supplying this conscious personality with the DATA of the material world.
Why do the people and the know it all scientists not realize this basic fact? 😠
@@popeck27 because most people are terrified that death is final, so they come up with an emotionally soothing fantasy that they have a soul that lives on after death
@@ShoestringRacer Yes but how could you be sure that it is a belief? maybe thinking there is nothing after is a belief. on one hand we have million of NDEs testimonies saying the same thing, we have studies and strong evidences; and in the other hand we have nothing except saying that when somebody is dead (I mean in a non reversible way), he cannot come back to tell us. But even here we can say that mediumship is another clue... So I prefer considered that life after death is strongly possible; just based on facts we have today.
@@ohiosteamandsteel It's not a question of searching comfort. Is just having a rational reasonning. When you study the available "data" you can see that today we have more elements going in favor of life after death than no life after death. That's it. It's fact.
Is the ego immortal?
Hmmm, that didn't go well.
Shame that measuring the brain down to the quantum level would destroy it.
I don't like the idea that I will live forever in the bosom of Abraham.
Has he washed his clothes recently ?
(Luke 16:22)
I need to get very drunk and watch this video again. Than Steinhart's comments might make sense.
I doubt it.
Gibberish.
Persons don't even want to undetstand Soul, immortal, eternal. The first concept they form of these, which is always implausible, and of such a notion they themselves know to be ridiculous, do they discard along with the inscrutable truth which they've never penetrated.
It's funny how your question assumes the soul exists in the first place.
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Back the truck up.
Yep, pretty ridiculous.
I thought that in a superfluous manner, he was adding the word soul.. His overall description of it was essentially the perspective of a naturalist..
They presuppose God on this channel all the time too.
@browngreen933 Yea, I have heard many.. I don't remember this gentleman doing that in this clip. Am I wrong?
Yes, that is what I was going to comment on until you did for me.
It probably is immoral.
Look 4 dimensions, 5 dimensions! So, trying to use mathamatics to explain soul? Don't you think it's absurd? Mathamatics don't give anything new, it might show the same thing in different ways!
Back in the church
A human being is a sack of chemicals with illusions of grandeur.
And poop.😅
All great communistic leaders who murders of millions fully agree to your claim.
Verging on a totally insane conversation. It could have been on further from truths channel and nobody would spot the difference.
Guys does explains though Science how soul determine model in body. He shows are lack Science experience reallty. Keep out how soul exist so far are subject serious philosophy and religious. Guys are out philosophy and Religious prooceeding.
I am about to provide a key in understanding the more nebulous and hard to understand words used in all religions.
Spirit: Any source of energy or influence (usually invisible in some way, but not always) that is designed to act upon a toroidal (in/out) system. Some examples would be electromagnetism, wind, speech, an undercover officer, symbols, planet Earth’s electromagnetic field).
Soul: Any toroidal system designed to receive, filter, interpret, calculate, transform, record, and/or transmit a spirit. Some examples would be the brain/central nervous system, the gut, the heart, the inner components of a cell phone, planet Earth’s core.
Body: Any corporeal structure or grouping designed to house, protect, and facilitate nourishment of a soul. Some examples would be the human body, students of a university, employees of a corporation, the members of a church or religion, Earth’s crust.
With these complete definitions in mind, one has no choice but to come to the conclusion that literally everything in the universe is one of these three categories (Trinity). When examine things closely, you will discover that they are a continuum of all three. For example, bacteria could be seen as a body, because we have trillions of bacteria in our body at any given time. However, they can also be seen as a soul, because they themselves are hosts to viruses (viruses could be seen as spirits). Even viruses are hosts to DNA, so you can begin to see the threefold fractal nature of everything.
Now, here is another important definition to shed more light on the concept of spirit.
Invisible:
1. An object is being obscured by another object.
2. An object is too far away from the observer to perceive.
3. An object is too close or ubiquitous for the observer to perceive.
4. An object is too small for the observer to perceive.
5. An object is too large for the observer to perceive.
6. Lacking the tool/capacity to perceive.
7. A disguise or mask is being used by the object/subject.
8. When the definitions are changed, you can’t perceive the original meaning, making the object “invisible.”
9. An object is located in a different time period of the observer.
10. An object that doesn’t absorb light.
11. An object takes on the aspects of its environment as to become indistinguishable from it.
Meditate on these definitions and study the Bible and other ancient texts with them in mind. It will open things up for you.
God bless. 🌟 🙏🏻 🔥
if it didn't absorb light it would be glowing like crazy lol, you meant absorbs all light
@@chrisgarret3285 It works both ways, actually, but you’re right. The sun can’t be observed without going blind (you need special equipment to view it, just like our brains need special ideological scaffolding to understand certain concepts).
Consciousness is not the soul. Consiousness is the way our soul experiences this reality. The soul transcends reality.The soul is part of the very fabric of the universe. The soul is eternal.👈
This guy started to crumble under his own contradictions lol
Soul is a poetic term for a living biological person. That ends when you die. 😢
But the atoms in our body will continue, in space, the ground, and some might make their way into another living thing. Even another human 🙂
How do you know what happens when we die?
@@CesarClouds
That is true. Basic Existence (whatever it actually is) appears to be eternal -- endlessly recycling over and over forever.
@@fartpooboxohyeah8611
I know what happens when you die by watching other people and animals die. It's pretty self evident what happens.
And what about million of people having NDEs? They where dying, no heart beat, but they had a vivid experience. They saw their bodies lying, they continue to think and feel things. They all say the same things and it’s proven it’s not illusion.
The soul is the maestro the body the orchestra. The maestro can find as many orchestras "it" wants .. That's how it goes
Eric Steinhart says otherwise. Prove him wrong. And we have only so much control over our bodies, unlike a good maestro with an orchestra. And why would the soul want to find more bodies? Isn't one enough? I'm happy enough with one. A maestro and an orchestra do not have the same relationship as having a spouse, family, or fellowship.
@@abeautifuldayful I am not quoting Eric Steinhart and I mostly disagree with his pov . Why a soul should be satisficed with one body? Has there been a human being that has covered all aspects of existence to the fullest extend in one life cycle ? I have found none so far.
@@user-sn6dz2ie4k Fair enough. What's your definition, then, of a soul? Your metaphor of a maestro and orchestra is not a definition but a way to think about it in practice. And once you have a definition, do you mean by having one body having one in a given point of time and space? Or do you mean why should we be satisfied only with one growing and getting relatively better and more perfect or conversely, one devolving into decrepitudes? Or more drastically, do you mean are you thinking about receiving a brand new body? And if that's the case, what could possibly or plausibly be the process whereby the soul, assuming it remains intact somehow, takes possession of another body, whether the same or not? Where would you look for answers, unless you know already?
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Fairytales are cute.
This guy is not very good at explaining his thoughts