VRS Wheel Base - Install & First Impressions
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- It’s time to upgrade my wheelbase! Lets unbox and install the VRS DFP Wheelbase, and take it for a drive!
Direct Drive wheelbases come in lots of shapes sizes and powers! Im upgrading from 5nm R5 up to 20nm with my new wheelbase, does it make a difference?
#simracing #directdrive #vrs
Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
00:32 Reveal
03:40 Build Montage
05:13 First Impressions
09:17 Conclusions
Gear I Use (some affiliate links)
VRS Pedals: vrs.racing/pedals
VRS Wheelbase: vrs.racing/wheel-base
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Moza KS Wheel: mozaracing.com/ks-steering-wh...
Sparco Seat: tidd.ly/3yp0cCS
R5 Bundle: mozaracing.com/product/r5-bun...
Sequential Shifter: mozaracing.com/product/moza-s...
Cammus C5 (5% off): cammusracing.com/product/glob...
Cammus C5 Shifter Mod: ebay.us/P5BKFC
Cheap Wheelside NRG QR (fits Moza): s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DE4... 
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Great Video! I bought my VRS Direct Force Pro just about 3 years ago and it has been absolutely perfect and has given me no issues. I hope you enjoy it as much as i love mine!
@yellowflash111 thats what I want to hear! :)
Happy for your upgrade!! 🥳
Thank you!! 😁
Vrs is well built and just does the job without any hassle i love it
@trevz1048 thats exactly why I got it, the pedals have been rock solid and thats what I want!
Using VRS Wheelbase for 2,5 Years now - just awesome and rock solid 👍👍👍
Love to hear it @chrisracing81
I was expecting something like Moza's R16 or 21, but that is a fantastic choice. I've been meaning to review it, but currently unable to get my hands on it. Great video Michael!
@darthsnape thank you! I got it from Apex in the UK next day delivery. Its nice we no longer live in the world of the everything shortage, but yeah its still tough sometimes depending where you live!
Happy for your upgrade. I have one too, and its been awesome. Just know that the filters in the dfp software make a huge difference, so play around with them.
@@____________________ok it has all the normal stuff like damper friction inertia, stat. force red. adjustable slew rate, etc. But it has a filter setting with like 14 to choose from, where there are 4 different ones with varying intensity. The differences are basicly what the filter gets rid of.. for iracing you'd want to use a filter that smoothes the ffb, and for ac you'd want to use smth that helps the fine details (f.ex.). And these make HUGE differences..
Thanks @ondrejtoman looking forward to tweaking with the settings for sure, but shocked how amazing it felt straight away!
The only filters that work for me in iRacing are Optimal and Balanced. With everything else, I get extremely sharp spikes and oscillation. I have been running the strength at 100% in the calibration tool though, Maybe I could set it up a bit better but I have been very happy so far. Never had an issue with the wheelbase.
Nice Video!
@fridayy5378 Thanks for watching and commenting!
Massive upgrade and amazing wheelbase. I now have the 23nm simagic ultimate v3 and am just in heaven.
Wiat until you oush the limits of grip and that snap comes inot play and your slides get caught everytime. Its amazing.
Go in turn inertia and dampening down if you can. You will love it.
Thing ive noticed with these stronger wheelbases are that you pick up on low mid and high frequencies so you can literally feel details that feel higher pitch then others so you get all of that information. My fanatec wheel and others never did that. Only bade i remrmber doing that is simucube. But I realize now most of these high end 20+nm wheelbases are good at it.
What do you mean by a version 3? Pretty sure they've only updated once but happy to be corrected by you and if so how v3 has improved on v2!
@southy238 they are on revisions 3 and the bases literally are stamped v3 now lol it's absolutely incredible it's so fast and so snappy. The details are incredible this coning from someone who thought my newer dd+ was good but this thing is just on that level of simucube. So yeah it's also a base that proved to me I can't listen to others i have to try them myself to know. I'm so happy that simagic was the final base from a manu I've tried and I couldn't be happier. Come to fund out it's the feel I always look for. It just gelled. The loading and unloading when cornering is the best ive felt. Instead of being overly tight it has that slight give where you feel the edge and the motor working with you and boom it just snaps back with you. It's so so good it feels so smooth. Idk what they did but they are buttery smooth now. I did not expect that.
I get why drifters enjoy simagic. That alone shoupd let people know they have always been faster then people think. But there is a reason why simagic has been so hot lately. And why the alpha is always sold out or on pre order. It's just that good and word is getting around.
I'm using a csl dd 8nm.
And am either going to the Simagic Alpha 15nm
Or the CS DD+ 15nm, during black Friday.
I don't need console support.
And if Fullforce isn't a big deal to miss out on, I'll possibly go Simagic.
Both seem to have good motors and good Quick releases.
Not sure about overall FFB quality, but it seems the CS DD is slightly better in terms of fidelity.
But coming from the CSL DD, I'm expecting either would feel better as I'm going from 8nm to 15nm of dynamic range, and both have smooth, fast, strong motors
@reviewforthetube6485 I think when I was talking about feeling the understeer thats what it was, the high frequency oscillations make a huge difference!
Yeah exactly some people want that out of it whne they adjust but me i want every little detial i can get. If you notice when the car gets super high rpm and gets going really fast the wheel you can start feeling smaller higher pitch vibrations almost as if you can feel the motor of the car. @@@MichaelSmithRaces
I seem to.often forget VRS when thinking of high end FFB offerings.
@GregoryShtevensh yeah in terms of price to performance I think its a great option, and after having had such a good experience with the pedals, it was an easy choice for me at £775!
Nice upgrade..
Thanks @BSGamingSimulator ! Going well so far!
Nice upgrade. 12-15nm with overhead is amazing. I was using an r12 100% base and 80% in game and it was coming up short for me. I’ve been running an Alpha U for that last three weeks and it’s my endgame base.
That's what I'm likely to go for so it's nice to hear you consider it your endgame wheelbase. Enjoy!!
@@southy238 thanks. I’m running it 100%/23nm on base (you can select both a specific nm and the percentage to run it at in SimPro) and %60 in game (ACC mostly) and it’s great. Sometimes I’ve up it to 65% in game but depending on the length of the race it can be too much. The detail is amazing and it really only clips when I crash or on a ridiculous turn like Carousel.
@dauntae24 atm im on 70% VRS software and 55% in game, which is 7.7 by my calculations, but I dont think it quite works like that now that I have experienced this high power base!
I have a VRS Direct Force Pro and a Simucube 2 Pro, both bases are very good. But the VRS is the better buy in my opinion, for near half the money.
@freebolt5913 awesome thats what I want to hear! I had heard similar in the discord, and Dan Suzuki said the raw FFB from the VRS was his favourite, im very happy with it!
We can see the new pedals too!
I will eventually get around to the review 😂 the summary is they are incredible though! Which pedal set do you use @arthurnunesc?
the RAW perfomance
@Team_Reaper. thats what im here for! I just want a wheelbase that is excellent at that single job!
@@MichaelSmithRaces don't have that money to buy vrs im collecting money to buy sim magic alpha mini 😉
@Team_Reaper. what do you have currently? Im going to try and make a video in a few weeks where I look at steps up in sim gear from desk to high end, interested if you have any thoughts on that front?
@@MichaelSmithRaces I don't own any wheel 😅
@Team_Reaper. thats really interesting to me, sort of why I want to make the video... It feels like the community has got into this strange spot where there is some perfect mid point where people can buy one setup forever, just get whatever wheel you can afford now! Dont save for alpha mini if you could get a second hand logitech or similar and get racing! :)
Made the same move. Save money, all performance. The ecosystem is vast but not initially user friendlu because you have to actually think about things. Its not marketed as "VRS Compatible" you have to match specs and open standards. Their wheel is so good I got the pedals as well. Coming from HE Ultimate+, it just works so well. Of course get HRS add ons for all of it to make it better.
@klintonkacatin tell me more about HRS add ons that I should research :)
The HRS pedal plates, really fantastic!
Really nice Michael, so i was wrong with my guess in your last video 😅 im also planning to upgrade from my Moza R9 soonish but next up for me is gonna be my review of the Moza GS V2 wheel first. Did you own that one as well?
@CKSimRacing I needed to build the suspense otherwise no one would have watched this one if I said what it was! :) I have not tried the GS, but from what I know it does not have the port for cross compatibility? Thats a shame that you wont be able to use it on your new base as it looks like a nice wheel!
@MichaelSmithRaces hah, true that! Yeah it's nice but the point that you've mentioned is pretty much exactly why I can't fully recommend it. Video is gonna be up soon, maybe today or tomorrow
@MichaelSmithRaces Michael...I've made a decision. I'm also going to go for the VRS base. Did a lot of research today after reading a comment on one of my videos. You still happy with yours?
My ocd could never deal with a cable between rim and base. Id be fretting non stop about it getting tangled or unplugged etc
@robertcarr4172 yeah it seemed really old fashioned to me initially when I was researching, but once you get your head around it, its extremely liberating to be able to use any wheel you want. Well worth the minor inconvenience of occasionally glancing at a cable wrapped around the base! Also wireless options available, but then you have to charge them.
@MichaelSmithRaces i had the thrustmaster tx. And i couldn't race with it. Every time i raced down a straight i would check to see if the collar was fixed. Its annoying man. I need something i can trust
You just need to arrange the positioning of the coiled wire so that it is loose enough and in a suitable position to be able to travel with the wheel left to right without hanging up. Only took me about 10 minutes to find the best position.
Is this adaptor for moza wheel included ?i have ks wheel & R9 moza
@GreekSIMRACING no, the wheelbase does not come with any mounting options. What I did was buy the VRS hub adapter, and then that connects onto the parts in the Moza Universal Hub, which you will need anyway to use your KS wheel! Its simple when you get your head around it. Its the part where im drilling holes, that is into the Moza wheelbase adapter.
Im on the same boat. Not sure if i should get a vrs with qr or a forte with qr... Lol
@guccibangs9216 I think any wheelbase in this class is very capable, I liked that the VRS is anti ecosystem, but then I still might buy their wheel anyway haha! Make sure you understand that you need asetek wheelside QR for each wheel you buy for that base, which adds a fair premium IMO...
I would suggest turning the ffb strenght to 100% in the VRS calibration tool and just adjusting the gain to a lower level in-game. This will give you max headroom and detail. I can give you my settings for iRacing if your interested. the VRS is pretty tricky to set up in iRacing and you will get a very grainy and vibrating FFBl if you use any other filter than Optimal/Balanced.
Just not true it's been pretty well discredited now the best way to do it is to turn the base down to a specific % comparing to what you so in game and you want to be on that edge right before clipping which is where the most predominant details are at. Even race matters spoke on this saying he was in denial for years until he finally tried it and he agrees get much more details using the base at that power taking about 20nm bases or up down to 60 to 70% then going in game. Most details and games clip around 15nm anyways.
But yeah been just a rumor for years on what some guy thought was best and people just ran with his prederence due to his dynamic range talks. All while forgetting about details right before clipping which is even more important for the absolute most detail. The same guy still uses pretty bad settings I won't mention who but he's not one I'll ever listen to. I still can't believe the racing community ran with that for so long. The feeling doesn't lie. We can say what should or shouldn't be but feel matters most and that's how you can tell forget about the rest.
My 23nm base will never feel as good at 100% and lowering in game as it does at 70% and raising in game a little higher.
@@reviewforthetube6485 Why won't you mention who? I ran my VRS just like you do right now (at 50 to 70%) in the VRS tool and adjusted it in game. Was never satisfied with the results until I researched a bit and got to the method I use now. That was before the software update. I don't want to be ignorant about it though, and am willing to give it another try. In which race beyond matter video is he talking about it?
Yeah I set mine at 100% then adjust the gain I find this work fine for me
@@____________________ok I mean it's worth thinking about. If you have a weak wheelbase then sure, go for 100% in the wheelbase software, but if you have a 20+Nm wheelbase you will never use 20+Nm. You will realistically use up to 15Nm maybe. I just gave it a try, set my VRS to 75% in the calibration tool and went up with the strength in the iRacing settings. The FFB actually really becomes more hectic/lively. So much for that,...but I have to admit that a less hectic wheel feels more realistic to me, which just happened to fall inline with the popular 100% approach. If you prefer more "detail", and "sharper spikes", then going for 70 or 75% seems to be the better choice. One more thing to think about is that I run a small rim (270mm) which will naturally lead to a subjectively stronger and sharper feel, and might influence my preference.
@mementomori4972 thanks for the discussion at the moment I have ended up around 70% on VRS and 55% in game, that is mostly because it worked and I was a little nervous about snapping my thin little wrists!! :D I expect to go up and up as when I got the R5 it felt like more than enough, but by the end felt far too weak. I agree with what you mentioned below about the wheel diameter because that made a huge difference in my ES vs KS comparison just 20mm creates a very different experience!
I've had it narrowed down to Sim Magic, Simucube or VRS. Sim Magic is newer and not built quite as well I wonder as it has not passed the test of time and it only has a 1 year warranty. "100% Chinese" Mige Motors are Chinese but have passed the test of time many times over. Simucube is a decent rig and an industry standard. Like Simucube VRS's power supply components are also "Mean Well" brand parts inside. I'm really leaning towards the VRS! Simple, point blank. I have their VRS Pedals and just landed the clutch. I think I'm gonna land the VRS, I really do. My instincts are leaning towards that.
But I have nothing bad to say about a Simucube
@DragonFlySlayer-wf6ne I still have thoughts that maybe I should have got the simucube because its possibly slightly "better".. but the VRS is a rock solid bit of kit, I really love it and its similar in execution to the pedals, just works great. Its so much cheaper than the simucube for me it was quite an easy decision. Simagic only really a consideration if you want their wheels... other option to look at is asetek, being able to use their QR system might appeal to you, but to me I wanted to get out of having any 'ecosystem' at all.
@@MichaelSmithRaces Have you seen "Grayze Dynamics" ? he's a guy here on U toob and he's tried Asetek and SC2 and he prefers the VRS over all of them.
I'm gonna land me the VRS! With a Bavarian wheel!
This guy..... ruclips.net/video/Mt1Bql9LS_4/видео.html
Interesting choice in 2024. Kudos to you for bucking the norm… 🤔
@JayKBra yeah when everyone is going one way and you are going the other you certainly need to stop and think! IDK if I made the right choice, I will get into it in a future video but I chose the VRS because it seems to have a rock solid reputation and I hope it is like my VRS pedals, which are significantly outperforming my expectations!
@@MichaelSmithRaces - Ok ok… that helps me to understand your choice to go with VRS. You are already a happy customer! I look forward to that follow up video. I just graduated to high end this spring, currently alternating between an Asetek Invicta and Simucube SC2 Sport so very interested to hear your impressions of the VRS as it one of the lesser covered options these days. Again, kudos for doing something different. Cheers.
@@JayKBra There's no other 20+Nm Wheelbase on the market, which is not significantly more expensive but does things (if even) marginally better and doesn't enclose you in an eco system. The build quality is second to none and it has a rock solid industrial servo motor. It might not be the prettiest thing out there, but what could be a real argument to go for something else?
@@JayKBraVRS wheelbase is the best around 20Nm when you want to stay under 1000€.
Love mine, won’t go another route.
@@mementomori4972the form factor is probably the most prohibitive thing imho.
Get the Simagic GT- Neo for an upgrade. The KS is not worthy of the base. 😊
I still have to get off my freaking desk! 😭 Everyone, how to get rich?!
@Sethsimracing for sure the biggest upgrade one can make is to get a dedicated space, with a solid rig! Makes all the difference really!
@MichaelSmithRaces Yep, I've found that out. :D I'm planning to get a rig by the end of summer beginning of fall, however being a 16 year old, my wages are a little bit low. I did just buy a gaming PC! (Integrated graphics ain't pretty, 18 FPS average! 😭) now on max graphics I run 95 FPS average, so that's a big help! Rig next, then DD and load cell pedals I think.
@sethsimracing congrats on the PC! Keep at it!
@@MichaelSmithRaces Thanks! Hustling is definitely worth it! Lots of cleaning windows and pools. 😆
I'm using my G920 to play American Truck Simulator. I'm a better truck driver than sim racer.
@bobk4438 enjoy what you enjoy! Thanks for watching! I have a C5 review coming out this week and I wonder if that would be a great entrypoint for truck simulator, its DD so can rotate infinitely etc, but its not too expensive and you can treat it exactly like the G29. Obviously the moza truck wheel far superior but thats a lot more money!
i cant even get a g29 in my country :(
What country?
@@Breal01 unfortunately im in iran and everything costs too too much , I can buy g29 but I should spend all my 1 month job money for it
Hey @godblessusall9946 I'm sorry you are in that position. I do feel incredibly lucky to have this setup, and I hate that it appears braggy to others who might not have the opportunities I do. I wish you all the best and hope you can one day pursue your passions that some of us are able to take for granted. Thanks for watching & commenting, means a lot to me!
@@MichaelSmithRaces naaah my bro i didnt mean to make you feel bad
The C5 is the best of the budget DD and its not even close. R5 comes about 30% under it and the CSL DD deserves to go in the at 5nm, no power, not detail. 8nm is alright but not even half as good as C5. I've had all of them lol
@Invin_cibles here is my comparison video! ;) ruclips.net/video/fsx-7FazW4M/видео.html