Thank you, Guys. I'm y'all's age, been shooting 60 years, and am at the stage where I am trying to compete with my 38 year old son. I taught him to shoot growing up, but, he is Marine Corps trained. Physically, life is catching up with me and when he says I'm over the hill, I have to admit (never to him, but, to myself) that I am no longer the shooter I was. I have followed every Gun Guys video and this one really hit home. Thank you for all you do.
I'am a cop in military police in Brazil. It's always a joy to watch those monsters of the shooting comunity that I get used to read their articles for so many years!
Ken and Bill dropping a lot of knowledge here! My one caveat is that i carry spare magazines not because i need the ammo, but because of Murphy. If one of them craps out, i want a spare.
Red dots are now and trijicon RMR is the way. 32 years shooting irons and after a year and many many rounds down range I can say red dots on pistol are way more efficient than irons once you master the consistent draw and presentation.
I've felt that way about losing skills for some time. After a lack of training, I have deteriorated, but there is a level I've never seem to go below. I remember reading Ken from the SOF days.
I love these video's. I just stumbled onto the series. So much knowledge. But at the same time, I'm a machinist and the old guys are never wrong. Until you earn their respect and respectfully prove them wrong. These guys are right about practice. I went down another rabbit hole and didn't practice for years. When I went back out I felt like a newbie, at least to me. I solved that real quick in a couple weeks, just burning rounds. I do disagree about speed though, if your accurate with speed....good luck to the other guy.
As always, a pleasure to hear articulated what I have been thinking for a long time. With age comes clarity (to some)to be more focused and strive to hit what you airmont at….a life statement that transcends shooting sports to be sure.
Knowing ones effective range is typically cut in half or more due to the stress of being in fear for one's life, I always practice at least up to twice the range I think I need to be proficient at. The smaller target MO is the same idea, but I've found practicing at twice the range instead has a more significant psychological effect when the whole target looks smaller and farther away in both situations; that is the practice adds stress, and having a threat at half the distance than what you've been practicing for reduces the stress.
I don't shoot handguns much though I do own a few but these principles are the same when I'm hunting. When I have the crosshairs on the deer I aim for a hair not the shoulder. I figured out that if I take my time and aim really small I make better, cleaner shots and they don't typically run after they're hit.
My dad grew up when the limit was 3 squirrels a day, and you got 3 22lr and better come back with 3 squirrels or unfired rounds. And he believed in that! I was taught the same thing. I once heard someone smarter than me say "Speed is fine, accuracy is final!" I've always used targets half the size everyone else is shooting, Aim Small, miss small! I still have stacks of those 6" paper plates on hand, when everyone is buying targets. You want to hit the water bottle, I want to take the cap off, with the same or faster speed.
For me, the higher capacity pistol is more likely to finish things in fewer shots. I can do well enough with my carry guns, but even 50 yards on steel is reasonably easy with my full size 9mm. Since the P365 series came out, that gap has closed significantly. The things genuinely do shoot about like a full size handgun, doubly so with the XL.
I like to split my practice into thirds, one third each for two-handed, strong hand only, and weak hand only. Dueling trees make nice practice targets, because you have to change your point of aim with each shot.
The thing we need to realize, in a self defense situation, training or real life, we need to be accountable for every round going down range. If you miss, where did that round go??? So I like that thought, take as much time as you need to make the hit.
Very watchable and GREAT advice as always. Discussion about old eyes and blurry vision and at 6:50 the camera momentarily changes focus. C'mon guys, that was cruel!
I practice the Bill pistol exercise a lot and for me, if I have one assailant when I come out the holster that's what he or she is going to get. Ken is right there is no magic bullet however, some perform better than others and for me out of a 9 mm that is a 115gr +P or +P+ because it hits hard on impact. You'd have to see what it does the body armor on impact also. A large crowd of people prefer the 147gr but IMO they are inadvertently trying to turn a 9 mm into a 45 the 9 mm strength relies in its speed.
Lately I tend to focus on reloading, ammo that is, so I have something to practice with. I think the best training is hunting. You take what comes, you learn to be alert, you have a finite time, you can not game power levels, a bad shot is useless.
Still planning on a Wilson I'm confident it's worth the money started with colt went h&k tried smith went kimber next was sti my plan for last two years is Wilson ....and good Lord willing and wife approving gonna do it can't wait!
As a civilian. Seems to ME what skills we practice at the range depends on why we're there. To train for a 3-Gun marksmanship type match? Or, are we there simply to practice our defensive shooting skills...hopefully at a range with moving targets. Oddly few indoor ranges have. More so if you live in a state that's "gun friendly"...where you can have a "bedside gun" and guns placed/hidden stregically around the house for "quick access".(under IDEAL situations). I've seen too many RUclips shooting tip videos where it's not clear whether the tips are for person/home defence or marksmanship shooting. How hard could it be to put some targets on a pendulum action or on a plate that can be programmed to move randomly left to right south to north...then right then south...amazed no one's created such a target controlled by an app. To best simulate a real shootout with live moving bad guys. Instead of shooting at sttionary targets. Wish is only good for marksmanship practice IMHO. More so when training LEO, SWAT, military..to clear rooms...why are they shooting at stationary targets? :) The setup should be like a House of Horrors you walk through at an amusement park...dark, strobe lights, sudden screams...etc. To scare you and distract...as in real life..
Solid, realistic advice for the self defense folks. Kind of chuckled about Ken’s comments about the fantasy of having a magazine 17 or 18 rounds in case you run into “terrorists” and coming at you at 17, 18 at a time, LOL🤣😂
Question to both Ken and Bill, What is happening to IDPA and USPSA? I done understand what they are trying to accomplish. More so IDPA. You just said it. Speed and Money. Please let us all know wht you think. Thank you.
Maybe it was mentioned quite a bit at the time, but I never hear anyone mention the shot made by the LEO during that prison escape in upstate New York 5-6 years ago. Two hits (two shots fired) on a moving target at 73 yards with .45 GAP cartridge. Excerpt below: “ On June 28, New York State Trooper Sgt. Jay Cook passed Sweat as he walked along the road. As Cook circled back to question him, Sweat began running across a hay field towards a tree line. Cook, a firearms instructor, gave chase and when it became evident that Sweat might escape, fired two rounds from his .45 Glock 37 pistol, hitting Sweat twice in his right shoulder and left arm at a range of 73 yards (67 m), near Constable, New York, roughly 16 miles (26 km) north of where Matt had been killed and just 1.5 miles (2.4 km) from the Canada-U.S. border.”
Most indoor ranges don't allow you to do anything other than stay in your lane and shoot at your target. Given that, do you guys have any advice on how to train to move and shoot multiple targets? Is dry-fire at home the only solution? Thanks for all you guys do!
There's a whole pile of maneuvers that can be practiced that doesn't require ammo. And as non-existent as ammo is it's almost an impossibility for those that don't stock ammo.
I'd like to know what red dots have to do before mr hackathorn would carry with optics. I'm considering getting one but not certain if the benefits outweigh the investment in retraining.
I suffer with the flinchies a lot if I have a nervous day I can miss a 8in target at 10 yds but good days i can easily and repeatedly hit the same target at 50yds
Question for the Gun Guys: If most real world confrontations are within a confined area of 10 yds or less, then why in the world would one need a red dot on their pistols? And more importantly why does KH say that red dots are the future of firearms? Thanks
@@beefnyan I get it, its good for competition. But I was actually referring to a defensive situation. It's more likely that the other person is within arms distance therefore you wouldn't use the dots. for example shooting from retention etc.
One reason is because you can threat focus. Instead of having to find your target, then focus on your front sight, you focus on your target and overlay your red dot. Pretty valuable.
Because Red dots are inherently faster. You dont have to worry about rear sights. Just overlay the dot and fire. Old eyes like mine have a hard time with the blur of the rear sight getting worse as you age. With a red dot the rear sight becomes immaterial.
@@eddieagha5851 in most self defense situations your training and muscle memory are going to be a HELL of a lot more important than the type of site you have on your gun. Front sight, trigger press. If you're splitting hairs over the type of site, you're not focused on the right thing. Also, red dots are bulkier, and they aren't ever going to be as reliable as a piece of steel. They rely on batteries and plastic or glass. Either one will work fine, the point is that the difference in a SD situation is irrelevant.
The emphasis of speed over accurate shots is getting out of hand. Students will constantly outpace themselves. It's almost a default for most people starting out. The channels that preach accuracy but only show speed are doing the self defense community a disservice. I see a lot of fast jabs and not a lot of knockouts. Once again, sage advice from this channel, please keep it up.
Quick tip for home students: The target size Ken is talking about is approximately the size of a soda can, which most people have. A soda can at 15ft is about the size of a human torso, visually, at 100yds. If you need a cheap target, that gives feedback, with a practical real world size reference, the soda can is where it's at. No range? Grab a BB gun and practice your point shooting. Train.
@@namelessschool7616 Good idea for beginners; a soda can at 5-7 yards. For advanced shooters, to avoid having to come up with a specific size of a target at various distances, I say instead that you should always be able to shoot a target the height and width of your front sight, regardless of the distance. Example: a soda can would then be at 40-45 feet. A related, fun drill is to take some sticks about an inch wide X 5 feet tall, and stripe them with black rings every foot or so the length of the stick. Then shoot the top of the stick off and work your way down to the next stripe, but only if you have no portion of the stick above the next stripe down, still showing. In other words, you must shoot the splinters of stick still visible above that next stripe down. You can't just shoot the wide part of the stick to advance downward. Great competition game with a friend shooting his own stick to see who can get the furthest down their sticks in a set amount of time. Sorry for the length of reply.
Knock down power is a military term because of all the different people with different experience levels of shooting. So they had to go with if a guy can't shoot worth a 💩 hopefully when he hits something it will need to have the ability to do real damage no matter where on the body the bullet hits. And in hunting it only came about when dangerous game was attacking. And lately with killing animals humanely. But if you take trapping and bow and arrows along with learning tracking skills to find what you shot. Knock down power is moreso derived from military standards of practice
It's funny that Ken would use Tom Givens' statistics to justify the idea that one does not "need" to carry a higher-capacity handgun for self-protection, considering the fact that Tom himself has been carrying Glocks for a number of years now. If I recall correctly, he does so because of the possibility of facing multiple assailants. He certainly does not believe the advantage provided by a higher capacity magazine is simply psychological. I do agree on everything else, especially on the importance of accuracy over speed, as well as taking into account human anatomy when it comes to shot placement.
The guy on the left is talking about a new subject where high powered guns are fading away because people that fire them all the time are starting to become injured by them over a lifetime of firing them. Just read about that somewhere or something
Interested in KH insights on red dots. One of my instructors explains away red dots as shooter compensation for not actually working to shoot accurately. I don't understand putting a red dot on a carry gun given the likely distances you'd be dealing with in actual practice. Particularly not on smaller guns like a Sig P938 (one of my CCW) or on a CZ 75D PCR (my other carry gun). Given what training I've had I have no issues with my 7-round Sig...I figure that is twice what I would typically need. And we had a cease fire during a recent tac class while one of our squad had to fix his red dot. The instructor brought the house down with: "excuse me, Mr. Bad Guy, can you hold on while I adjust my red dot?"
What can go wrong will go wrong…and there’s more to go wrong with red dots. Use them in competition, but I want simple & reliable when my life’s on the line.
@@beefnyan Good point. Admittedly I don’t have experience with red dots on pistols (a little with ARs) but can’t they fog up or shatter obscuring even the BUIS looking through?
He's correct but for the wrong conclusion. The optics are there. They are reliable and small with long battery life. The reason red dots aren't there yet is because the shooters aren't there. They think they can mount a red dot and then their scores will go up. There is hundreds if not thousands of hours to find that dot in the draw. There are very few dedicated shooters who will make the sacrifice.
You Guys are right but a lot of us think of pistol competition like we think of auto racing. Drag racing is best. If a race takes more than about 10 seconds, my attention starts to wander. As Eleanor Roosevelt said, "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, bad-ass speed."
Sorry to disagree with Ken, but, we are there with red dots. It's just going to get better. Due to aging eyes, I had pretty much given up on enjoyable shooting. Committed to them and trained up again and am back to enjoying my hobby again.
I don't think it's that because I've seen him pause and look at Bill and Bill doesn't initiate anything or respond. I've seen in several videos of the two of them where, to me, it seems like Ken has to keep the conversation going.
Thank you, Guys. I'm y'all's age, been shooting 60 years, and am at the stage where I am trying to compete with my 38 year old son. I taught him to shoot growing up, but, he is Marine Corps trained. Physically, life is catching up with me and when he says I'm over the hill, I have to admit (never to him, but, to myself) that I am no longer the shooter I was. I have followed every Gun Guys video and this one really hit home. Thank you for all you do.
I'am a cop in military police in Brazil. It's always a joy to watch those monsters of the shooting comunity that I get used to read their articles for so many years!
@Tacticool I think he meant Masters. 😉
This is one of the most valuable resources on the web...well, this and Ken's and Bill's drill videos.
100%
Yep
If Ken and Bill wrote a book covering shooting principles and their favorite drills, I’d buy two copies. Their knowledge and experience is pure gold.
Love the geezer guidance. These guys are sharp.
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They should call this series shooting for old farts (like me!)
Excellent points. Its not how fast you shoot, its how you hit. I believe it.
Ken and Bill dropping a lot of knowledge here! My one caveat is that i carry spare magazines not because i need the ammo, but because of Murphy. If one of them craps out, i want a spare.
Agreed! Too many think that the only reason to carry a spare mag is extra ammo, and that’s not the primary reason I carry a spare mag.
@@ericbertoch673 absolutely, however more ammo never hurts!
I’m new to shooting handguns at 68. Glad to hear the wisdom from people my age.
I could listen to you guys talk all day. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with us.
Same here!
Red dots are now and trijicon RMR is the way. 32 years shooting irons and after a year and many many rounds down range I can say red dots on pistol are way more efficient than irons once you master the consistent draw and presentation.
Absolutely!!!
rmr are yesterday
Thanks much. Really appreciate the wisdom.
3x5 cards, 5 to 12 yards, 2 or 3 good hits in a couple of seconds with some movement. That’s a worthy goal.
I've felt that way about losing skills for some time. After a lack of training, I have deteriorated, but there is a level I've never seem to go below.
I remember reading Ken from the SOF days.
I love these video's. I just stumbled onto the series. So much knowledge. But at the same time, I'm a machinist and the old guys are never wrong. Until you earn their respect and respectfully prove them wrong. These guys are right about practice. I went down another rabbit hole and didn't practice for years. When I went back out I felt like a newbie, at least to me. I solved that real quick in a couple weeks, just burning rounds. I do disagree about speed though, if your accurate with speed....good luck to the other guy.
As a LEO I’m accustomed to caring four magazines, for the last 20 years, I still do it when I’m off duty. Aim small miss small
Excellent! This is my favorite series.
As always, a pleasure to hear articulated what I have been thinking for a long time. With age comes clarity (to some)to be more focused and strive to hit what you airmont at….a life statement that transcends shooting sports to be sure.
I can listen to these guys all day, all night, and the next day. Great stuff!
Great Stuff Guy's !! I always enjoy common sense no BS stuff !!! I've enjoyed running a Wilson CQB & CQBC since the 99 !! Stay Strong and Be Safe !!!
The CQB is next on my list
Knowing ones effective range is typically cut in half or more due to the stress of being in fear for one's life, I always practice at least up to twice the range I think I need to be proficient at. The smaller target MO is the same idea, but I've found practicing at twice the range instead has a more significant psychological effect when the whole target looks smaller and farther away in both situations; that is the practice adds stress, and having a threat at half the distance than what you've been practicing for reduces the stress.
This series of talks between you wonderful gentleman is always a highlight of my day. Thank you so much for sharing yourselves with us.
Thank you gentlemen I really do appreciate it.
"Fast is fine but accuracy is final"
Words of wisdom from a man who actually made a living with a gun!
When you're accurate, you don't usually need to be lightning fast.
@@Chilly_Billy That's true
Wyatt Earp!
Bruv, you need to put that phrase on a tee-shirt with an image of a Wilson Combat EDC XL9 behind it!
I literally praise everyone of these videos you guys still there will be a time. Where this will be obsolete. Thanks
I greatly appreciate the wisdom of our true pistol masters.
Great advice as always, thanks guys!!! "Smaller targets, higher standards"
I don't shoot handguns much though I do own a few but these principles are the same when I'm hunting. When I have the crosshairs on the deer I aim for a hair not the shoulder. I figured out that if I take my time and aim really small I make better, cleaner shots and they don't typically run after they're hit.
My dad grew up when the limit was 3 squirrels a day, and you got 3 22lr and better come back with 3 squirrels or unfired rounds. And he believed in that! I was taught the same thing. I once heard someone smarter than me say "Speed is fine, accuracy is final!" I've always used targets half the size everyone else is shooting, Aim Small, miss small! I still have stacks of those 6" paper plates on hand, when everyone is buying targets. You want to hit the water bottle, I want to take the cap off, with the same or faster speed.
Good solid advice that I intend to take to heart. 3 consecutive solid hits; smaller targets.
An excellent conversation about priorities when practicing. Thank you.
For me, the higher capacity pistol is more likely to finish things in fewer shots. I can do well enough with my carry guns, but even 50 yards on steel is reasonably easy with my full size 9mm.
Since the P365 series came out, that gap has closed significantly. The things genuinely do shoot about like a full size handgun, doubly so with the XL.
Thanks for your insight on pistol shooting. I like the 45, but carry the 9.
I like to split my practice into thirds, one third each for two-handed, strong hand only, and weak hand only. Dueling trees make nice practice targets, because you have to change your point of aim with each shot.
shot the IDPA classifier sunday, first match in over a year, missed Expert by 6 seconds with my carry gun. not bad after a long layoff from shooting.
Everything you all stated is the truth, as I have gotten older, my grip and eyes are not the same as they once were.
The thing we need to realize, in a self defense situation, training or real life, we need to be accountable for every round going down range. If you miss, where did that round go??? So I like that thought, take as much time as you need to make the hit.
Very watchable and GREAT advice as always. Discussion about old eyes and blurry vision and at 6:50 the camera momentarily changes focus. C'mon guys, that was cruel!
I practice the Bill pistol exercise a lot and for me, if I have one assailant when I come out the holster that's what he or she is going to get. Ken is right there is no magic bullet however, some perform better than others and for me out of a 9 mm that is a 115gr +P or +P+ because it hits hard on impact. You'd have to see what it does the body armor on impact also. A large crowd of people prefer the 147gr but IMO they are inadvertently trying to turn a 9 mm into a 45 the 9 mm strength relies in its speed.
Lately I tend to focus on reloading, ammo that is, so I have something to practice with. I think the best training is hunting. You take what comes, you learn to be alert, you have a finite time, you can not game power levels, a bad shot is useless.
Thanks for the talk
Great stuff guys. So agree with you in the round count. It’s a fantasy. Well done!
Still planning on a Wilson I'm confident it's worth the money started with colt went h&k tried smith went kimber next was sti my plan for last two years is Wilson ....and good Lord willing and wife approving gonna do it can't wait!
Save. Save. Save. I found a good used one. Lucky find. So well worth it.
I sold a few cheaper guns and took that money to buy a nice used Tactical Elite. It's perfect!
As a civilian. Seems to ME what skills we practice at the range depends on why we're there. To train for a 3-Gun marksmanship type match? Or, are we there simply to practice our defensive shooting skills...hopefully at a range with moving targets. Oddly few indoor ranges have. More so if you live in a state that's "gun friendly"...where you can have a "bedside gun" and guns placed/hidden stregically around the house for "quick access".(under IDEAL situations).
I've seen too many RUclips shooting tip videos where it's not clear whether the tips are for person/home defence or marksmanship shooting.
How hard could it be to put some targets on a pendulum action or on a plate that can be programmed to move randomly left to right south to north...then right then south...amazed no one's created such a target controlled by an app. To best simulate a real shootout with live moving bad guys. Instead of shooting at sttionary targets. Wish is only good for marksmanship practice IMHO.
More so when training LEO, SWAT, military..to clear rooms...why are they shooting at stationary targets? :) The setup should be like a House of Horrors you walk through at an amusement park...dark, strobe lights, sudden screams...etc. To scare you and distract...as in real life..
Good points to follow, thank you so much.
Thank you for sharing.
Solid, realistic advice for the self defense folks. Kind of chuckled about Ken’s comments about the fantasy of having a magazine 17 or 18 rounds in case you run into “terrorists” and coming at you at 17, 18 at a time, LOL🤣😂
Question to both Ken and Bill, What is happening to IDPA and USPSA? I done understand what they are trying to accomplish. More so IDPA. You just said it. Speed and Money. Please let us all know wht you think. Thank you.
@@beefnyan IDPA has carry optics.
Thanks guys.
Bueno Consejo's
Maybe it was mentioned quite a bit at the time, but I never hear anyone mention the shot made by the LEO during that prison escape in upstate New York 5-6 years ago. Two hits (two shots fired) on a moving target at 73 yards with .45 GAP cartridge. Excerpt below:
“ On June 28, New York State Trooper Sgt. Jay Cook passed Sweat as he walked along the road. As Cook circled back to question him, Sweat began running across a hay field towards a tree line. Cook, a firearms instructor, gave chase and when it became evident that Sweat might escape, fired two rounds from his .45 Glock 37 pistol, hitting Sweat twice in his right shoulder and left arm at a range of 73 yards (67 m), near Constable, New York, roughly 16 miles (26 km) north of where Matt had been killed and just 1.5 miles (2.4 km) from the Canada-U.S. border.”
Good info. Well done.
Most indoor ranges don't allow you to do anything other than stay in your lane and shoot at your target. Given that, do you guys have any advice on how to train to move and shoot multiple targets? Is dry-fire at home the only solution? Thanks for all you guys do!
I gave up on indoor ranges. I found a nice permissive outdoor range that's an hour drive but makes my training easily worth that drive.
@@cbrooks2767 thanks. I need to look into that.
Enjoy your show. Thank you
Jack Wilson had perfect shot placement.
There's a whole pile of maneuvers that can be practiced that doesn't require ammo. And as non-existent as ammo is it's almost an impossibility for those that don't stock ammo.
I'd like to know what red dots have to do before mr hackathorn would carry with optics. I'm considering getting one but not certain if the benefits outweigh the investment in retraining.
Consistent reliability. We're not there yet. Dots move, sights fail. Iron sights, always there.
@@eddieagha5851 That's why I would only consider going to a red dot, if I had co-witnessing iron sights.
Great video. Thanks guys
Great advice.
I suffer with the flinchies a lot if I have a nervous day I can miss a 8in target at 10 yds but good days i can easily and repeatedly hit the same target at 50yds
Great video, great advice.
Question for the Gun Guys:
If most real world confrontations are within a confined area of 10 yds or less, then why in the world would one need a red dot on their pistols? And more importantly why does KH say that red dots are the future of firearms?
Thanks
@@beefnyan I get it, its good for competition. But I was actually referring to a defensive situation. It's more likely that the other person is within arms distance therefore you wouldn't use the dots. for example shooting from retention etc.
One reason is because you can threat focus. Instead of having to find your target, then focus on your front sight, you focus on your target and overlay your red dot. Pretty valuable.
Either one will work fine. Iron sights aren't going anywhere don't worry. Just train with what you have.
Because Red dots are inherently faster. You dont have to worry about rear sights. Just overlay the dot and fire. Old eyes like mine have a hard time with the blur of the rear sight getting worse as you age. With a red dot the rear sight becomes immaterial.
@@eddieagha5851 in most self defense situations your training and muscle memory are going to be a HELL of a lot more important than the type of site you have on your gun. Front sight, trigger press. If you're splitting hairs over the type of site, you're not focused on the right thing. Also, red dots are bulkier, and they aren't ever going to be as reliable as a piece of steel. They rely on batteries and plastic or glass. Either one will work fine, the point is that the difference in a SD situation is irrelevant.
The emphasis of speed over accurate shots is getting out of hand. Students will constantly outpace themselves. It's almost a default for most people starting out. The channels that preach accuracy but only show speed are doing the self defense community a disservice. I see a lot of fast jabs and not a lot of knockouts. Once again, sage advice from this channel, please keep it up.
Quick tip for home students: The target size Ken is talking about is approximately the size of a soda can, which most people have. A soda can at 15ft is about the size of a human torso, visually, at 100yds. If you need a cheap target, that gives feedback, with a practical real world size reference, the soda can is where it's at. No range? Grab a BB gun and practice your point shooting. Train.
@@namelessschool7616 Good idea for beginners; a soda can at 5-7 yards. For advanced shooters, to avoid having to come up with a specific size of a target at various distances, I say instead that you should always be able to shoot a target the height and width of your front sight, regardless of the distance. Example: a soda can would then be at 40-45 feet.
A related, fun drill is to take some sticks about an inch wide X 5 feet tall, and stripe them with black rings every foot or so the length of the stick. Then shoot the top of the stick off and work your way down to the next stripe, but only if you have no portion of the stick above the next stripe down, still showing. In other words, you must shoot the splinters of stick still visible above that next stripe down. You can't just shoot the wide part of the stick to advance downward. Great competition game with a friend shooting his own stick to see who can get the furthest down their sticks in a set amount of time. Sorry for the length of reply.
No one has ever been stopped by a loud miss. (not sure who I'm quoting here...maybe Bill Jordan.
Knock down power is a military term because of all the different people with different experience levels of shooting.
So they had to go with if a guy can't shoot worth a 💩 hopefully when he hits something it will need to have the ability to do real damage no matter where on the body the bullet hits.
And in hunting it only came about when dangerous game was attacking.
And lately with killing animals humanely.
But if you take trapping and bow and arrows along with learning tracking skills to find what you shot.
Knock down power is moreso derived from military standards of practice
lol
As my hands got older I went from a pistol to a revolver.
It's funny that Ken would use Tom Givens' statistics to justify the idea that one does not "need" to carry a higher-capacity handgun for self-protection, considering the fact that Tom himself has been carrying Glocks for a number of years now. If I recall correctly, he does so because of the possibility of facing multiple assailants. He certainly does not believe the advantage provided by a higher capacity magazine is simply psychological.
I do agree on everything else, especially on the importance of accuracy over speed, as well as taking into account human anatomy when it comes to shot placement.
Where did the 1st 3 rounds go
I do prefer more bullets in which to be accurate with, however!
If there's no such thing as knockdown power, Ken, why don't you carry a .32 acp?
penetration, dummy
I always wonder who is the weirdo that gave a thumbs down? Commie?
The guy on the left is talking about a new subject where high powered guns are fading away because people that fire them all the time are starting to become injured by them over a lifetime of firing them.
Just read about that somewhere or something
I find myself carrying large capacity firearm because more and more carjackers seem to work in tandem with others . Shitbirds fly in flocks
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Interested in KH insights on red dots. One of my instructors explains away red dots as shooter compensation for not actually working to shoot accurately. I don't understand putting a red dot on a carry gun given the likely distances you'd be dealing with in actual practice. Particularly not on smaller guns like a Sig P938 (one of my CCW) or on a CZ 75D PCR (my other carry gun). Given what training I've had I have no issues with my 7-round Sig...I figure that is twice what I would typically need. And we had a cease fire during a recent tac class while one of our squad had to fix his red dot. The instructor brought the house down with: "excuse me, Mr. Bad Guy, can you hold on while I adjust my red dot?"
That’s what backup irons are for !
@@620ronin Yes, I would only shoot with a red dot if I had co-witnessing iron sights for backup.
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That one guy isn't shot placement he's more the amount of shots in a target
The mall... Could happen! lol
Red dots the future!? I hope not. I just can't make myself believe. I would only rely on iron sights to save my life over a dot anytime. Peace bros.
@@beefnyan lol. Im not convinced young grasshoppa.
@@beefnyan ^^^ This guy must work for Trijicon. He's a red dot troll.
What can go wrong will go wrong…and there’s more to go wrong with red dots. Use them in competition, but I want simple & reliable when my life’s on the line.
@@beefnyan Good point. Admittedly I don’t have experience with red dots on pistols (a little with ARs) but can’t they fog up or shatter obscuring even the BUIS looking through?
lol
Why does Ken believe that red dot sights for pistols are "not quite there yet"?
@@beefnyan HAHA. He's forgotten more about defensive shooting than you will ever know. You are funny.
He's correct but for the wrong conclusion. The optics are there. They are reliable and small with long battery life. The reason red dots aren't there yet is because the shooters aren't there. They think they can mount a red dot and then their scores will go up. There is hundreds if not thousands of hours to find that dot in the draw. There are very few dedicated shooters who will make the sacrifice.
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You Guys are right but a lot of us think of pistol competition like we think of auto racing. Drag racing is best. If a race takes more than about 10 seconds, my attention starts to wander. As Eleanor Roosevelt said, "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, bad-ass speed."
Sorry to disagree with Ken, but, we are there with red dots. It's just going to get better. Due to aging eyes, I had pretty much given up on enjoyable shooting. Committed to them and trained up again and am back to enjoying my hobby again.
I got one on my Glock 45. Gonna be a long time before I concede to having a 1911 RDS.
We’re not there yet, as a whole. Close but not quite.
Here’s a great example of when accuracy really mattered:
ruclips.net/video/VfXOVt__uNw/видео.html
Practice specializing in finding ammo to go to the range with......
But the fat guy at asp says to carry as many rds as you can. High capacity mags
Ken, you ought to learn to let the other guy speak.
I don't think it's that because I've seen him pause and look at Bill and Bill doesn't initiate anything or respond. I've seen in several videos of the two of them where, to me, it seems like Ken has to keep the conversation going.