Thank you, Bill and Ken! The collected wisdom you're conveying in these videos will become an outstanding legacy for decades!! The lessons in this video also demonstrate why the 1911 isn't anywhere close to being an obsolete defensive tool!
I wish I could afford a Wilson combat, however I EDC a Kimber Pro Carry 2 .45 1911, and many of the internals have been replaced with Wilson combat replacements, so it's 50/50 lol
I was also taught that shot placement and that first shot is what counts. I was also taught that in a real world fight (you against one or more opponents, conservation of ammo will be important. That was from by back door neighbor who was US Army Special Forces, back from Vietnam and I was a freshman in high school (mid 1960's). He is the real deal. He taught me how to shoot and how to practice; not to mention some simple tactics. I know he agreed with all the practical advice you two guys gave in this video. Well done!!
I would love to see the discussion of the Browning P-35 and the 1911, now that Springfield Armory started producing the Hi Power. A dedicated episode on the 9mm and .38 Super chambering of the 1911 would also be very interesting.
I love listening to these guys. I'll be the first to admit how much of a rookie/greenhorn I am:) when it comes to shooting, but I love it. What I spend my time on the most is accuracy. Just what little I've watched and heard, I figure that's the place to start...
I don’t know who said it, maybe Clint Smith, but I always liked the quote “handguns are weapons of convenience not effectiveness”. It always stuck with me.
There’s no question that accuracy “is the king.” But I’d suggest that an optimized combination of speed and mass (presuming the right projectile design) “is the queen.” For example, the various modern .17 cartridges provide great muzzle velocities, but the bullet simply is too light to reliably penetrate anything other than small critters - how many .17 chambered defensive handguns are available . . . there’s a reason the answer is none.
@@roykiefer7713 the fact that there are no offerings means the equation is simplified ahead of time. You are trying to make things more complicated than they need to be. KISS, "that goes without saying", and similar sayings exist for a reason.
Fantastic video. I just sensed a disturbance in the Force, as if 1,000,000 arguing facebook "I am a certified trainer" tactical experts suddenly screamed in rage, there was the sound of exploding heads in unison, and then were silenced...
Coming from an archery background, I agree with you. You can "warm up", or shoot paper targets all day long, but that first shot, cold, is the only one that counts when you are hunting. In self defense, its more important, because your target is hunting you.
Thank you so much! I very seldom join in with shooting conversations because I generally get hoorahed from the extended mag crowd!! My hunting started before I got a firearm by walking with my father and his brothers and their father. Very few animals didn't go down, but if they didn't there was a different aiming time variant. Pheasants, for one can cause a very quick shot with poor results. Quail are even worse! Bad guys are from a movie culture, generally. They can spray 15 shots very fast, and miss a lot. To defend yourself, you need to control your "fright" and your shot!!
Got what I thought was a perfect double lung shot on a big boar last year, he jumped straight up in the air, did a 180, and took off. It was raining pretty good, and I lost the blood trail in the brush. Looked forever and never got back on the trail. Those damn things are tough!!
I worked as a white tail deer hunting guide in Webb County, Texas in the late 1970s/early 1980s. I saw many unskilled "hunters" with the newest, biggest, fastest, most expensive rifles wound animals in just about every conceivable way. As Bill says, I have also seen deer run a long way into the brush after being hit with well placed shots. Both situations result in the guide getting to practice his or her tracking skills.
I hope I'm never in a situation where I need to defend my life, or the lives of others with a firearm. If I'm forced into that situation, I hope I can stop the threat. In fact, I hope the person, or persons I'm forced to stop survive the encounter and learn from it. I've learned a great deal from Bill, Ken, and Massad.
I witnessed a guy take a load of 00buck in the center of the chest from about twenty feet. He looked down, back up at the muzzle, then slowly knelt down, dropping the handgun from his hand. When he was on his knees, he toppled onto his face. Didn't go flying backwards or disintegrate in a shower of parts. Simply didn't realize he was DRT.
Don't get me wrong I love a shotgun at 15yd and under. But not much after that. I was brought up in a dog hunting family. I was never impressed by buckshot on big hogs and bear at all. The deer were a bit better. But I can't to 2 conclusions from what I saw. With out the dogs a lot of animals would have been lost to the use of buckshot past 25 yds. And the shooters using #1 buck dropped more animals than the 00 or #4. They got more of the #1 shot on target and it was just heavy enough to penetrate better than #4. But the real take i got on hunting with buckshot was to use a marlin carbine in 44mag.
I come down on the theory that the first shot is always going to be your best shot, the second shot is a good maybe and the third will be a miss. In my personal big game hunting, I want to make that first shot an accurate one putting the bullet in the right spot. I am a middle pistol shooter. And well I would rather take the time to make that first-round hit, than well doing a mag dump. Massad Ayoob said something that really stuck with me. "Every shot you take in a self-defense shooting is going to have a lawyer attached to it"! Given the choice even though I do carry, I would rather just retreat, no shame in that and why the hell would I want to put much self thru the grief like young Kyle Rittenhouse is going thru, the young man defended himself and displayed good control too! Oh, I shot the biggest bull elk of my life with a 6.5 x 55 and 156 gr RN Norma loads. My most memorable stalk too, I closed into less than 200 yards. One-shot thru the top of the heart. Didn't go far. Hell of a job picking it out thou, but the meals made up for that.
I couldn't agree with you more. I live in rural America. I used to live in the city. I believe any prosecutor that looks at a self defense shooting is going to be a antigun, anti self defence democrat. Even where I live now. I want to retreat if I can.
Thank you guys for the conversation. I would submit a rough calculation for people to consider like this: Add .5 to your consistent warm draw, and double your warmed up splits. This allows for fumble factor on the draw, and movement on the splits. For someone to be confident in real world 6 hits in 3.5 seconds, you need a 2.0 warm bill drill. 1.0 second warm draw, .2 seconds warm splits = real world 1.5 draw, .4 second splits. Warm math: 1.0 seconds shot 1 1.2 shot 2 1.4 shot 3 1.6 shot 4 1.8 shot 5 2.0 shot 6 Real life math: 1.5 seconds shot 1 1.9 shot 2 2.3 shot 3 2.7 shot 4 3.1 shot 5 3.5 shot 6 Something to consider when you are thinking about how good is good enough.
In defense of Jeff Cooper, Elmer Keith, etc., their love of big heavy bullets was largely based on the fact that for many years effective medium caliber projectiles and loads were problematic, and high capacity handgun options were few and far between. I am not enamored with the modern trend of dumping rounds into a threat, but I don't see that attitude changing. As for realistic combat matches, does such a thing exist? Every competitive shooting sport I've investigated eventually becomes gamed by players looking for an edge that does not exist in the real world of gun-fighting, be it the ammo, firearm, or gear.
I lived the "bee sting" on an electronic range. One scenario really stands out. Gas station and the guy on the other side of the pumps goes crazy violent. Stabs a woman and turns toward me. My first shot was right to the sternum. Second went into his shoulder as he was going down. Third went into the hood of a truck across the street. Lesson learned: make your shots count.
I am uncomfortable with my skills and still working on them. Much appreciate this thought process. Completely agree! Actually more achievable probably.
My grandpa always told me that you can shoot an elk in the foot with a cannon and not kill it, but shoot it in the head which a 22 and it will drop. Two extremes, but still very true. The Gun Guys always have great content!
Ken you guys should reference Rittenhouses shooting of Rosenbaum, 4 shots .75 seconds aimed center mass with a hand on the barrel, one hand, one pelvis, one grazing head, and one in back. .75 seconds......
So wonderful to hear an intelligent point of view in response to all these people who empty half a mag into a stationary, non-threatening cardboard target and act like it is relevant to self defense. That first shot had better be a round that works, because you don't have a clue how many times you're going to be able to shoot someone.
Heart / lung at 20 yards at night from a 2" barrel resulted in him pulling a 180 and clocking out 25 yards later over a 6' wall. His 2 companions made Hussain Bolt look geriatric. The second shot, never happened as I lost the sight picture due to the muzzel flash. Accuracy combined with situation awareness are the factors which actually count.
I know exactly what they mean the first shot is the one that counts like when I am deer hunting and a deer walks out I make sure it's shootable I go into hunt mode and take care of business and then get happy.
I would say that not only is accuracy more important than speed in real-world situations (it definitely is!), but it's also more important in how you learn and train. If you start with learning to shoot accurately, speed will come as you improve, without ever specifically focusing on getting faster. If you start trying to be fast, you'll never gain acceptable accuracy without slowing down and making it a priority.
Louis Awerbuck (RIP) had manequin targets that he would move with ropes and pully's. It was an early eye opener that shooting paper or steel is a false positive.
Dale, hi brother, you are always welcome to the free state of Texas. Especially if you vote for the most conservative candidate in te general. In our state elections, I will vote for our current Governor Greg Abbot.
Some excellent points made here, but now I'm wondering how to translate this to the range. What drills would be the most productive and efficient use of my time (and ammo budget)?
Well crud... I just got my Many Bang-Bang Club membership patch. What am I going to do with all these 100 rounds magazines. Does this mean my edc does not need more ammo weight than gun weight? Old grandad said a hit with a 22 is better than a miss with an elephant gun... he was looking at my .308 Norma mag.
I've been saying this for years when people ask me why I carry a 5 shot revolver or a 1911. They say I will need more ammo when the time comes or I'm limiting my life on 5 or 8 rounds. To be perfectly honest it worries me that one day me or my family will be in a sports store or Walmart and a guy or gang of people come in and start shooting, but what worries me more is the guy that has a handgun that holds 20 rounds and they start spraying bullets everywhere trying to hit the bad guy.
My philosophy on speed of the first shot: take as long as you need to put it exactly where it needs to go. "Boot Hill is full of men that didn't take the time to aim."
There's one exception to this. Suppressive fire is a thing even in this kind of combat. _Sometimes_ it might be worth making a bang or two to put the enemy off their balance and get them to retreat _IF_ you can't get that good shot. Remember the goal is to end the danger and whatever does that is good. Example: there are too many innocents around or behind the bad guy and too much movement. High probability of a stray shot harming the wrong person. A shot into the floor will alert BG that he's in a lot of trouble and has a 50% chance of convincing him to make different choices. Statistics show about half of such situations the BGs will flee the moment they realize they are in real danger. It might even scatter the bystanders and give you the clearance you need. In the real world BGs are not static paper targets with safe backstops. Range practice is good but you have to remember out here requires different thinking.
Perfect example of shot placement is the (true) story of Bella Twin. She shot and killed a then world record sized grizzly bear with a Cooey Ace 1 single shot .22 long in 1953. From everything I’ve read, the story checks out. Pretty incredible.
Volume of fire is just as important because you could shoot at someone on drugs and or they are moving to cover. PS if you are forced to draw on someone who is already pointing a gun at you, speed is just as or more important.
Great job fellas. It’s not the arrow, it’s the Indian ! I’ve personally encountered anomalous results on game. Double lunged a gemsbok with a 375H&H, 300 gr North Fork sp. Ran 400 yards and still standing when we tracked him down. Steinbuck, 180gr sp 300H&H. First shot PH said I shot over him. He jumped spun around and stood perfectly still. Second shot he dropped in his tracks. First shot passed just below the spine and above the lungs. You just never know. They must not have read the articles either on proper behavior after being shot.
I would say that's very true with handguns. With rifle rounds it's a different story. A .223, no matter where you put it, if it's center mass, that guy's going down. The cavity it creates causes a huge blood loss and thus the blood pressure loss. But again, if you're CC, you're not carrying an AR-15 haha. Very nice video, very important topic with handguns: bullet placement is key.
Bullet size is no longer so critical. Bill and Ken carry and believe a 9mm is enough gun because of ammunition quality. If the bee sting makes the bad person turn around and run away, unlike a hunting scenario, just let the bad person go. A high quality .32acp is probably enough bee sting.
There are instances of bad guys crumpling and that third or forth shot going in the top of the head or the back. Good shooting on a moving target, but some people will say the bad guy was shot after he was already down. Now you have a problem. The fact that bullet tracks prove his body position won't stop the "shot in the back!" meme. There's no good solution for this.
Had to use my service .38 three times during my 30 yrs on the street (retired in ‘97). Twice it dropped the suspect right away and once he was still fighting after four center mass hits. There are no guarantees in a gunfight and my take away is luck has to be on your side even w/perfect bullet placement. Caliber arguments are a waste of time, almost any service caliber should work IF you can keep your wits under fire (bee sting factor).
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I could listen to these 2 legends talk about watching paint dry! Love this series!!!
These are the moments worth to remember because one day they will be Legends and Legends never die. God bless you both.
Thank you, Bill and Ken! The collected wisdom you're conveying in these videos will become an outstanding legacy for decades!! The lessons in this video also demonstrate why the 1911 isn't anywhere close to being an obsolete defensive tool!
I wish I could afford a Wilson combat, however I EDC a Kimber Pro Carry 2 .45 1911, and many of the internals have been replaced with Wilson combat replacements, so it's 50/50 lol
Don't discount the Ruger 1911's. Excellent pistols.
1911 in any defensive caliber. Great triggers. Proven design. Great guns.
The most down-to-earth, common-sense, real-world gun wisdom I have ever heard. No hype and no egos. Just the facts.
“Speed is fine but accuracy is final. You have to learn to be deliberate in a hurry.”
- Wyatt Earp
I was also taught that shot placement and that first shot is what counts. I was also taught that in a real world fight (you against one or more opponents, conservation of ammo will be important. That was from by back door neighbor who was US Army Special Forces, back from Vietnam and I was a freshman in high school (mid 1960's). He is the real deal. He taught me how to shoot and how to practice; not to mention some simple tactics. I know he agreed with all the practical advice you two guys gave in this video. Well done!!
I would love to see the discussion of the Browning P-35 and the 1911, now that Springfield Armory started producing the Hi Power. A dedicated episode on the 9mm and .38 Super chambering of the 1911 would also be very interesting.
I love listening to these guys. I'll be the first to admit how much of a rookie/greenhorn I am:) when it comes to shooting, but I love it. What I spend my time on the most is accuracy. Just what little I've watched and heard, I figure that's the place to start...
I don’t know who said it, maybe Clint Smith, but I always liked the quote “handguns are weapons of convenience not effectiveness”. It always stuck with me.
Accuracy is king. Speed is queen. At least when it comes to handheld arms. 😁
There’s no question that accuracy “is the king.” But I’d suggest that an optimized combination of speed and mass (presuming the right projectile design) “is the queen.” For example, the various modern .17 cartridges provide great muzzle velocities, but the bullet simply is too light to reliably penetrate anything other than small critters - how many .17 chambered defensive handguns are available . . . there’s a reason the answer is none.
@@roykiefer7713 the fact that there are no offerings means the equation is simplified ahead of time. You are trying to make things more complicated than they need to be.
KISS, "that goes without saying", and similar sayings exist for a reason.
Both are important, but you’re never fast enough to miss.
Thank you for good info.
Is 9mm good
I love this series. The two of you at a table bring more real firearms knowledge than the rest of RUclips combined.
Thanks!
Fantastic video. I just sensed a disturbance in the Force, as if 1,000,000 arguing facebook "I am a certified trainer" tactical experts suddenly screamed in rage, there was the sound of exploding heads in unison, and then were silenced...
Coming from an archery background, I agree with you. You can "warm up", or shoot paper targets all day long, but that first shot, cold, is the only one that counts when you are hunting. In self defense, its more important, because your target is hunting you.
Thank you so much! I very seldom join in with shooting conversations because I generally get hoorahed from the extended mag crowd!! My hunting started before I got a firearm by walking with my father and his brothers and their father. Very few animals didn't go down, but if they didn't there was a different aiming time variant. Pheasants, for one can cause a very quick shot with poor results. Quail are even worse! Bad guys are from a movie culture, generally. They can spray 15 shots very fast, and miss a lot. To defend yourself, you need to control your "fright" and your shot!!
Got what I thought was a perfect double lung shot on a big boar last year, he jumped straight up in the air, did a 180, and took off. It was raining pretty good, and I lost the blood trail in the brush. Looked forever and never got back on the trail. Those damn things are tough!!
Accuracy is the right move. Thank you for sharing your knowledge
I worked as a white tail deer hunting guide in Webb County, Texas in the late 1970s/early 1980s. I saw many unskilled "hunters" with the newest, biggest, fastest, most expensive rifles wound animals in just about every conceivable way. As Bill says, I have also seen deer run a long way into the brush after being hit with well placed shots. Both situations result in the guide getting to practice his or her tracking skills.
I have been listening to these legends all day .
The Gun Guys is my favorite RUclips channel. Since you both were pioneers back in the day, how about an episode on the .38 Super?
I hope I'm never in a situation where I need to defend my life, or the lives of others with a firearm. If I'm forced into that situation, I hope I can stop the threat. In fact, I hope the person, or persons I'm forced to stop survive the encounter and learn from it. I've learned a great deal from Bill, Ken, and Massad.
Lots of wisdom between these two gentlemen.
I witnessed a guy take a load of 00buck in the center of the chest from about twenty feet. He looked down, back up at the muzzle, then slowly knelt down, dropping the handgun from his hand. When he was on his knees, he toppled onto his face. Didn't go flying backwards or disintegrate in a shower of parts. Simply didn't realize he was DRT.
Don't get me wrong I love a shotgun at 15yd and under. But not much after that.
I was brought up in a dog hunting family. I was never impressed by buckshot on big hogs and bear at all.
The deer were a bit better. But I can't to 2 conclusions from what I saw.
With out the dogs a lot of animals would have been lost to the use of buckshot past 25 yds.
And the shooters using #1 buck dropped more animals than the 00 or #4.
They got more of the #1 shot on target and it was just heavy enough to penetrate better than #4.
But the real take i got on hunting with buckshot was to use a marlin carbine in 44mag.
I live 2 hours from Gunsite Academy and my son and I our regulars. and a few range days a year. And I love my Wilson Combat DT-EDCX-CPR-9A.
What a great video. With a lifetime of hunting and shooting experience, I couldn't agree more with their conclusions.
“I’m a friend of Bill Wilson”
Just had to say it!
When everyone argues caliber, shot placement is king.
What I would do to go hunting with Bill! Great information guys! Keep it coming!
Knowledge!
It’s always cool to listen to these two guys chit chat!🇵🇷💪🏻
One of the best things I’ve ever heard is don’t worry about fast be accurate and it will be the fastest thing an attacker has ever seen
Shot placement is so important!!
Wisdom from the masters!
I come down on the theory that the first shot is always going to be your best shot, the second shot is a good maybe and the third will be a miss. In my personal big game hunting, I want to make that first shot an accurate one putting the bullet in the right spot. I am a middle pistol shooter. And well I would rather take the time to make that first-round hit, than well doing a mag dump. Massad Ayoob said something that really stuck with me. "Every shot you take in a self-defense shooting is going to have a lawyer attached to it"! Given the choice even though I do carry, I would rather just retreat, no shame in that and why the hell would I want to put much self thru the grief like young Kyle Rittenhouse is going thru, the young man defended himself and displayed good control too! Oh, I shot the biggest bull elk of my life with a 6.5 x 55 and 156 gr RN Norma loads. My most memorable stalk too, I closed into less than 200 yards. One-shot thru the top of the heart. Didn't go far. Hell of a job picking it out thou, but the meals made up for that.
I couldn't agree with you more. I live in rural America. I used to live in the city. I believe any prosecutor that looks at a self defense shooting is going to be a antigun, anti self defence democrat. Even where I live now. I want to retreat if I can.
Man, You two yeld the best sit down ever... and i got a lot of this little chat.
Thanks..
Glad you enjoyed it
What Ken & Bill said. “It’s where you put the first shot” and if needed and “Murphy” is on your side, the 2nd shot.
Speed is fine, accuracy is final.
Thank you guys for the conversation.
I would submit a rough calculation for people to consider like this:
Add .5 to your consistent warm draw, and double your warmed up splits.
This allows for fumble factor on the draw, and movement on the splits.
For someone to be confident in real world 6 hits in 3.5 seconds, you need a 2.0 warm bill drill.
1.0 second warm draw, .2 seconds warm splits = real world 1.5 draw, .4 second splits.
Warm math:
1.0 seconds shot 1
1.2 shot 2
1.4 shot 3
1.6 shot 4
1.8 shot 5
2.0 shot 6
Real life math:
1.5 seconds shot 1
1.9 shot 2
2.3 shot 3
2.7 shot 4
3.1 shot 5
3.5 shot 6
Something to consider when you are thinking about how good is good enough.
Always learn something watch Wilson combat. Thanks
You're Welcome!
In defense of Jeff Cooper, Elmer Keith, etc., their love of big heavy bullets was largely based on the fact that for many years effective medium caliber projectiles and loads were problematic, and high capacity handgun options were few and far between. I am not enamored with the modern trend of dumping rounds into a threat, but I don't see that attitude changing. As for realistic combat matches, does such a thing exist? Every competitive shooting sport I've investigated eventually becomes gamed by players looking for an edge that does not exist in the real world of gun-fighting, be it the ammo, firearm, or gear.
Great video guys, learned a lot....thank you for sharing your experience!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@gowilsoncombat It's always good to hear from people who have real life experience....and speak it plainly.
I lived the "bee sting" on an electronic range. One scenario really stands out. Gas station and the guy on the other side of the pumps goes crazy violent. Stabs a woman and turns toward me. My first shot was right to the sternum. Second went into his shoulder as he was going down. Third went into the hood of a truck across the street. Lesson learned: make your shots count.
I am uncomfortable with my skills and still working on them. Much appreciate this thought process. Completely agree! Actually more achievable probably.
My grandpa always told me that you can shoot an elk in the foot with a cannon and not kill it, but shoot it in the head which a 22 and it will drop. Two extremes, but still very true. The Gun Guys always have great content!
Ken you guys should reference Rittenhouses shooting of Rosenbaum, 4 shots .75 seconds aimed center mass with a hand on the barrel, one hand, one pelvis, one grazing head, and one in back. .75 seconds......
So wonderful to hear an intelligent point of view in response to all these people who empty half a mag into a stationary, non-threatening cardboard target and act like it is relevant to self defense. That first shot had better be a round that works, because you don't have a clue how many times you're going to be able to shoot someone.
It's so true. And I can't wait to see experior double stack with compensator.
Thank you for the tips, keep up the good work. Love you guys.
Thanks for watching!
Great content from two great men. Keep up the good work!
Thanks, will do!
Heart / lung at 20 yards at night from a 2" barrel resulted in him pulling a 180 and clocking out 25 yards later over a 6' wall. His 2 companions made Hussain Bolt look geriatric.
The second shot, never happened as I lost the sight picture due to the muzzel flash.
Accuracy combined with situation awareness are the factors which actually count.
Excellent! Thanks guys! Wisdom for the real world!
You bet!
Really enjoy these two, couldn’t agree more.
The intro music is supernatural.
I love this wisdom. Thank you two gentlemen.
Glad you enjoyed it
Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything. In a gun fight... You need to take your time in a hurry. - Wyatt Earp
I know exactly what they mean the first shot is the one that counts like when I am deer hunting and a deer walks out I make sure it's shootable I go into hunt mode and take care of business and then get happy.
I would say that not only is accuracy more important than speed in real-world situations (it definitely is!), but it's also more important in how you learn and train. If you start with learning to shoot accurately, speed will come as you improve, without ever specifically focusing on getting faster. If you start trying to be fast, you'll never gain acceptable accuracy without slowing down and making it a priority.
Gunsmoke Matt Dillon must be the master of the one shot kill. Most are dead before they hit the ground .
Louis Awerbuck (RIP) had manequin targets that he would move with ropes and pully's. It was an early eye opener that shooting paper or steel is a false positive.
This is Great Information, more people should know this. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Legendary information from legendary gentlemen.
Always fun to listen to you gentlemen. Shooting is so different in Canada with government of the day.
Dale, hi brother, you are always welcome to the free state of Texas. Especially if you vote for the most conservative candidate in te general. In our state elections, I will vote for our current Governor Greg Abbot.
Excellent guidance from knowledge and experience gentlemen!
These gentlemen are giving valid reasons to get proper training and practice as much as you can. Crap on the spray and pray mentality.
As always good information. Don't forget the Pin Shoot is on next June.
Great video! I’m taking notes.
"Take your time and make sure your aim is true........just don't take too much time."
Thank you for good info, no b/s, best regards men.
You can't miss fast enough to win!
Great information. Thanks
Some excellent points made here, but now I'm wondering how to translate this to the range. What drills would be the most productive and efficient use of my time (and ammo budget)?
We'll be releasing some new low shot count drill videos soon!
Capacity and speed wins wars, accuracy and power wins battles.
Precious advise ! Thanks
Useful content. Thank you!
You're welcome!
I like to hear what they have to say about everything.
Gentlemen, you guys are correct, and that is from a combat Corpsman (medic), and someone that worked is shock/ trauma for 26 years.
Appreciate the examples
Well crud... I just got my Many Bang-Bang Club membership patch. What am I going to do with all these 100 rounds magazines. Does this mean my edc does not need more ammo weight than gun weight? Old grandad said a hit with a 22 is better than a miss with an elephant gun... he was looking at my .308 Norma mag.
great info, thank you guys!
TRUTH WELL SAID...!
I was trained to always double tap two rounds to upper torso
I've been saying this for years when people ask me why I carry a 5 shot revolver or a 1911. They say I will need more ammo when the time comes or I'm limiting my life on 5 or 8 rounds. To be perfectly honest it worries me that one day me or my family will be in a sports store or Walmart and a guy or gang of people come in and start shooting, but what worries me more is the guy that has a handgun that holds 20 rounds and they start spraying bullets everywhere trying to hit the bad guy.
"One shot, killum deer. Two shot, maybe killum deer. Three shot, no killum deer."
Very enjoyable. Thank you for sharing.
Our pleasure!
My philosophy on speed of the first shot: take as long as you need to put it exactly where it needs to go. "Boot Hill is full of men that didn't take the time to aim."
There's one exception to this. Suppressive fire is a thing even in this kind of combat. _Sometimes_ it might be worth making a bang or two to put the enemy off their balance and get them to retreat _IF_ you can't get that good shot. Remember the goal is to end the danger and whatever does that is good.
Example: there are too many innocents around or behind the bad guy and too much movement. High probability of a stray shot harming the wrong person. A shot into the floor will alert BG that he's in a lot of trouble and has a 50% chance of convincing him to make different choices. Statistics show about half of such situations the BGs will flee the moment they realize they are in real danger. It might even scatter the bystanders and give you the clearance you need.
In the real world BGs are not static paper targets with safe backstops. Range practice is good but you have to remember out here requires different thinking.
Excellent points
Thanks!
Perfect example of shot placement is the (true) story of Bella Twin. She shot and killed a then world record sized grizzly bear with a Cooey Ace 1 single shot .22 long in 1953. From everything I’ve read, the story checks out. Pretty incredible.
Volume of fire is just as important because you could shoot at someone on drugs and or they are moving to cover. PS if you are forced to draw on someone who is already pointing a gun at you, speed is just as or more important.
That's a lot of hogs. Great job Bill.
Thanks 👍
Great job fellas. It’s not the arrow, it’s the Indian !
I’ve personally encountered anomalous results on game. Double lunged a gemsbok with a 375H&H, 300 gr North Fork sp. Ran 400 yards and still standing when we tracked him down. Steinbuck, 180gr sp 300H&H. First shot PH said I shot over him. He jumped spun around and stood perfectly still. Second shot he dropped in his tracks. First shot passed just below the spine and above the lungs. You just never know. They must not have read the articles either on proper behavior after being shot.
I would say that's very true with handguns. With rifle rounds it's a different story. A .223, no matter where you put it, if it's center mass, that guy's going down. The cavity it creates causes a huge blood loss and thus the blood pressure loss. But again, if you're CC, you're not carrying an AR-15 haha. Very nice video, very important topic with handguns: bullet placement is key.
He is right I am a hunter and do it ethical.
Thank you. Good info.
You bet!
To quote the great Rob Leatham, “shooting accurately enough, faster is better than shooting extremely accurate, slow”.
Bullet size is no longer so critical. Bill and Ken carry and believe a 9mm is enough gun because of ammunition quality. If the bee sting makes the bad person turn around and run away, unlike a hunting scenario, just let the bad person go. A high quality .32acp is probably enough bee sting.
Great advice!
Thanks!
Love these videos, thank you👍
Thanks for watching!
There are instances of bad guys crumpling and that third or forth shot going in the top of the head or the back. Good shooting on a moving target, but some people will say the bad guy was shot after he was already down. Now you have a problem. The fact that bullet tracks prove his body position won't stop the "shot in the back!" meme. There's no good solution for this.
Good info. Very valid statements! 👍😊🇺🇸✝️
Glad you enjoyed it
Had to use my service .38 three times during my 30 yrs on the street (retired in ‘97). Twice it dropped the suspect right away and once he was still fighting after four center mass hits. There are no guarantees in a gunfight and my take away is luck has to be on your side even w/perfect bullet placement. Caliber arguments are a waste of time, almost any service caliber should work IF you can keep your wits under fire (bee sting factor).
Two questions: 1.) Has Ken been watching the Active Self Protection channel? 2.) When is he gonna train Keanu?
Great stuff