Google Tensor G2 - What is Inside?
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Google has announced its new smartphones, the Pixel 7 and the Pixel 7 Pro. Inside Google has put its latest SoC, the Google Tensor G2. What CPU cores does it use? What about the GPU? Is the TPU upgraded? Let's find out.
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"Keeping their head above water, staying in the same place"
It seems it’s similar to what apple did.
What are you talking about? The G2 is a whole new chip unlike the a15
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What Google's doing is tidying up and polishing its prior generation Pixel. I think they have a winner if the 7 can addresses the bugs (I never experienced them), connectivity issues, battery life and the 6 series tenancy to getting warm/hot. Address all the above with entrancements that could bring about a better user experience than the last iteration, while keeping the price points the same with decent trade-ins.
Speed tests and the latest and greatest hardware is so 2016. User experience is everything.
7 series, problem solved and more
I think google finally understood that you don't need the highest possible spec to have a good smartphone experience, this was first done with the Snapdragon 765g on the pixel 5 generation and they are continuing with this philosophy.
also look at the sd865 one of the best socs ever made still kicking ass
I mean yes and no. It depends on what the person is trying to do. Google is trying to make a flagship phone so users would have different expectations. The fact that there is no real performance gains is disappointing since tensor 1 was super far behind in terms of performance to all of Snapdragon and what Apple has been doing.
@@dennisp8520 in benchmarks you mean?
@@ssaini5028 Benchmarks and everyday use. Battery life on the Pixel is notoursly poor compared to Samsung and Apple's flagships. Gaming performance for mobile games is also not great. Basic apps like Twitter, SnapChat, among others were also having issues witht the Pixel line and those are not even remotly demanding.
Wireless performance is also signficantly worse on Pixels for 5G specfically when it comes to mmwave performance or just UW/UC in general.
Google does understand it, but will the regular "dumb", bigger is better user, understand?
It is all about communication, and Google is legendary poor when it comes to communicating with their users.
I think it will be good honestly. I'm definitely more interested in the neural network stuff but I think this chip will satisfy most people (and more). It may not be the most power efficient chip but I don't think that's what Google is aiming for per se. The power that the Tensor can output in video rendering and image processing is something that a content creator or power user can put to use and I think we would want the phone to do that very well rather than do it on an average level with cooler temperatures. I expect power demanding processes to heat up the chip a bit so I'm ok knowing that it's doing its job.
I like where Google is going with the camera. For people like myself that don't game on their phone this looks like a great update to the Pixel lineup.
I don't understand why people game on phones, simple game of chess does me fine.
Will be interesting to see Google's roadmap for their SoC in the future.
Snapdragon if they want to continue selling phones
@@taylor1212eminem No....Google will be just fine.
@@4jup4ter4 they are done now
I wonder if Tensor G3 will use Cortex X3, A715, A510v2, G715 gpu and 3nm node.
That will be a MASSIVE jump. I expect atleast a 30% increase in Geekbench scores over G2
I honestly think they have something special going on here with Tensor
I'm much more interested in efficiency improvements over performance.
I'm glad they've worked on it and hopefully made some big improvements, leading to longer battery life and better thermal management.
Yeah, same here. I got the Pixel 5 and that phone feels fast enough for everything I want to do. Sure, all the things the iPhone can do with its super fast chip are impressive, but most of that isn't used by 99% of the users.
So until we get the functionality to dock a phone to a monitor and basically use it as a desktop PC, more power in smartphone chips isn't needed for mainstream, non-gaming phones.
@@werewwerew1 i guess thats what Samsung Dex is all about.
If efficiency doesn't translate to better performance, or increased functionality or better yet lower prices then why should anyone give a shit about efficiency?
@@lashlarue59 for starters, we're at the point where it's very hard to see the difference in performance between midrange & flagship chips so performance improvements aren't super important.
Secondly, improved efficiency leads to less heat, which does mean you will have better performance anyway as your chip isn't thermal throttling and wasting power as heat.
Thirdly, better efficiency = better battery life.
So yeah, would rather the focus be on efficiency in this day and age.
The only thing that really matters to me is the user experience. My Pixel 6 Pro is plenty fast enough. Specs are just numbers on paper. When I have the phone in my hand I really don't care about numbers on paper just the user experience. I think focusing on the user experience is what has made iPhone such a compelling choice for so many people. Although Apple does overdo the power in their devices I kinda feel like that is to be able to give them up to date software for many many years.
Specs do matter in the long run as updates will come and the phone gets sluggish bit by bit.
@@leonardob.veloso i think a good comparison is a miata vs say a big rig semi truck. on paper stats: that Semi has 1000 lb ft a torque, and 600 horsepower. the Miata: 140 hp and 120lb of torque. actual use case- Miata is way faster, handles way better, fun golf kart like feel, and user experience just way way better than the superior semi stats. the maxed out specs on say a iphone 14 pro really utilized how often, and while doing what is my question?
@@bigpoppa4094 Terrible analogy. It's more like a Semi with a Miata engine. 😂
I love Google's direction with Tensor. The benefits are really practical in every day life
I went from iPhone for many, many years to the Pixel 7 Pro.
I'm still stoked!
i think google wanted to play Safe game coz u know Tensor is made by Samsung, but Samsung Fabrication technology is causing heating is the phone as we have seen in Snapdragon 8 gen 1 and also upgrading to X2 chip could have caused more heat so that's why Google might be not wanted to upgrade. Google may be this time focusing on Stability and Optimization, which make sense for Google as we know almost every pixel had some bugs.
Wish there were more compitition for Apple.
They're soo far ahead that we can't even see them in the frame at this point.
So basically, Google is to smartphones what Nintendo is to videogames. Not going for power, but for a different unique experience.
I really liked your analogy 👍
Except Nintendo has a better history of supporting their products for a long time and not cancelling popular devices or services once they’re bored.
Good analogy
@@B.D.F. But Nintendo is also way too harsh on people making fan games and things
unique 25 fps experiences
As long as battery life improves, it'll be worth it.
Low expectations begets low expectations
@@taylor1212eminem it already destroys the 14 pro max in every way
@@taylor1212eminem it's all we need these days my man.
It was smart from Google to use similar parts on a newer process node knowing how hot Exynos 2200 and SD8G1 are, not a breakthrough in performance but is better for sustained performance specially for people that complained about battery on Pixel 6.
We will know soon but this actually maybe a genius move! Costs prob kept down and if they're not pushing it with the node shrink we're looking at just repeating efficiency benefits which may lead to better sustained performance. Or maybe it's going to be the same speed/slower but I'd be shocked if it was less efficient. Google is thinking outside the box. They have my attention.
Waiting for real-world usage and tests, should be an interesting phone.
This video is a breath of fresh air from all other non-tech reviewers of mobiles who just keep going on and on about the camera output or battery life.
Already ordered the 7 Pro 😎
Me to 🔥
Thx for the update Gary!
This is really disappointing. The first Tensor was multiple generations behind SD 8+ Gen 1 and this doesn’t look that much better. Could have been such a good phone if it had a better SoC.
I dont care about benchmarks though
Hopefully we will see the g3 with a significant improvement in both efficiency and performance, of Google can do this with "mid range" processor, what can they do with a flagship level processor.
Considering the Pixel 6 is still going strong and performing very well there is no need to include the cutting edge technology and raise prices to match. What they're doing with the G2 chip is perfect.
On top end smart phones does any one really use them to their peak performance? A few techies will but the majority have them for keeping up with the Joneses, snob value.
Frankly speaking I would have wished for Cortex X2
but don't see any difference in day to day usage 8 Gen 1 or the previous chip
I would have loved to hear more detailed info, such as about the manufacturer of the G2 and the used process node. The infos you offered unfortunately are already spread all over the web.
Last year was Samsung, this year is TSMC. Nevertheless both are excellent manufacturers.
I find these Pixel breakdowns very helpful!
Hey Gary, Speedtest G please! No more videos for that channel? We miss it much
There are very few changes from G1 to G2, maybe TPU all they focused on. I think they need to change the decision of making chips with Samsung. But two X core chips is a good decision, but a bit of high clock speed would be appreciable.
Do we have a confirmation of what 5G modem is being used in the Tesnor G2?
Can you please talk about the modem? That has been the worst part of my P6P
How exactly does the Titan M2 provide better security?
This just proves Google is more of a software company. When they bought the RD department from HTC I expected innovation but they have come up short instead. I hope they can implement most of these software features with their buddy Samsung. A note or z fold Google edition would sell so fast.
There is something called diminishing returns. The G2 is fine as well as Snapdragon when compared to Apple A15 they "suck" but in reality, for the life of the product it will be fine.
I have the Pixel 5a and the Pixel 6 and OnePlus 8T. I prefer the hand feel on the 8T because of the 120hz screen (pixel 6 is 90hz, 5a is 60hz) and how lightweight it is but always reach for the pixels when I need to take a picture or shoot video. Pixel 6 is superior to the 8T in just about every other way. I shit and render 4k 60fpa video constantly and the Pixel 6 does it the fastest. The 8Ts Snapdragon 865 was supposed to be a better processor than the tensor but it doesn't seem like Google needs to play the spec game. The 7 and 7 pro will be great.
Cheers for the video, not sure there's much info out there but would love a breakdown on the processor in the Pixel watch, I'm worried it's going to be a bit rubbish.
It's paired with a co-processor. The people who have tested the Pixel Watch have said it's very responsive. Let's remember that this is a smartwatch CPU. It doesn't need to be bleeding edge.
@@matthewhurts2445 didn't realise there was a co-processor, that might help quite a bit too be fair. I'm less worried about performance and more about battery life to be fair, especially how efficient the radios on the watch are
Tthe lighting on you is a little bit off, which separates you from the background..
the video itself is top notch.
Disclosure, I’m not tech savvy. I’ve read that their using an exynos Samsung modem 5300 (previously unreleased) on the pixel 7. Is the modem responsible for connectivity, battery n overheating issues? If so, do u think this new modem will fix these issues that were on the pixel 6? Thanks, if u know.
Can someone explain simply what day to day benefits will the AI on G2 offer? So far I only saw very vague technicality about this or that on the SoC but what does it do and why is Google so invested in it?
Computational photography and voice recognition without having to send data to Google's servers.
@@GaryExplains couldn't G1 already do that?
Absolutely.
@@GaryExplains ok, that may be good for Google themselves because they will offload some of that work to the end user device but I still don't get what is for me so to say. I mean their phones and our phones do that, right? Would I ever notice a difference? What is the selling point?
@@GaryExplains could you elaborate very briefly on "computational photography"?
Titan security is a baseband modem with four silent backdoors.
Proof?
Focusing on "user experience" eh... what about all the connectivity issues with Tensor G1 Pixels?
@Gary Explains, could you please make a video on the Titan M2 Security Chip?
The real question will be how well the G1 and G2 hold up at around the 4 and 5 year mark.
I had Moto g2 for 5 years but when Moto go with Lenovo I decided that not to buy Motorola phone again
Come to point That is good question
That is why In general people go with stable and reliable rater than experiment and premium or exclusive ( I don't count those who have money ) but in India people don't want that their phone face problems like battery display or heating network , short life span etc in 2-3 years if that happens than no point of buying that phone ( I know average usage time is decreased due to planned obsolescence or getting bored, company defects etc ) I think India is not good playground for experiment it is still developing country😅
I have the Pixel 6a and I don't need more performance. I think it's fine if they focus on improving real world usage rather than focusing on benchmarks and latest specs, but I somewhat feel disappointed, as I would've expected them to use at least current gen cores in all their cores.
This might has helped to offer last year prices despite inflation. iPhone prices in Europe went nuts despite iPhone 14 using the same A15.
Maybe the decision to use 1 to 2 years old cores was made so to have longer time to polish their software. They can offer cheaper phones with better software than most of the competition while sacrificing raw performance and specs. So Pixel 8 will come out in October 2023 with Cortex X2 after having spent 2 years working with it, and being able to scale business with older cores (they announced they are offering Pixel 7 in more countries...).
Lots of variables.
Gary, missing your F1 commentary in Speed Test G! Hope you will be back soon
3:34 but some of us love to play mobile games on our phones sometimes. 😁
Doesn't matter one bit. The in-hand experience is everything.
@@steveseidel9967 but but but marketing
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Sure software is extremely important , but just imagine the benefits of having a power efficient chip instead of a powerful and power hungry chip. It would definitely improve the battery life and longevity , and cooler temps . At this rate google phones will only appeal to a few users , as their supposedly good software , is also now not so great . SD 8+ gen 1 , Dimensity 8100/9000 is a huge step-up from previous gen because of the excellent efficiency and Google should probably take this route .
Or do what apple does and have the most powerful and power efficient chip in the game 😂
It's worth noting the chip is reportedly moving to a new processing node, which should see power efficiency improvements outside of just the architecture.
you do not have to use the latest chips to achieve power efficiency
Hey Gary, I'm no "Gary Explains" but to downgrade the GPU cores from 20 to 7 undercuts the potential of one of Google's biggest strengths: the Vulcan API.
What makes Vulcan so relevant here is its class leading potential to harmoniously utilize all cores at one time. Making it the best solution for GPUs with a high core count. Even better than Metal, which is phenomenal in itself.
Last year's Pixel scored higher than ANY other phone on the Vulcan benchmarks within Geek bench. And a comparatively better score (thru translation software) than Apple's Metal.
Seeing that, I thought Google would find a way to harness that potential into real world use. Finally proving it's more about good software than it is hardware. Hearing the core count go down now has me scratching my head.
Am I misunderstanding something(s)??
Good content as always!
With each architecture upgrade you need less GPU cores for the same level of performance. As I said in the video a G710 MP7 should be about the same as the G78 MP20. Approximately.
@@GaryExplains Got it, I think. So you're saying it's more about scaling to accommodate the upgrade and getting rid of cores no longer needed, to at least maintain parity with the current T1??
So would you extrapolate that having less cores makes for a more efficient and less complex use of the Vulcan API, seeing how it has less cores to instruct and utilize??
Or am I way out of my depth and just need to 🤐? Lol
@Z3U5 thank you!
Google's tensor G2's chipset is part of Samsung's Exynos chipset inside. The statement mentioned 'MALI GPU' is found on Exynos varients.
Mali is also found in MediaTek phones it is Arm's GPU available to all. That isn't the proof of the Google/Samsung partnership. However there are other aspects of the processor that confirm the partnership.
@@GaryExplains Actually there are statments from the company and other famous youtubers out there that google chipsets are in housing exynos 2300 for this year and 2400 for next year. I'm only mentioning from other people's statements! Not entirelly sure!
@@Seharkhan69 As I said the partnership with Samsung is well known and there are traits in the Tensor chips that demonstrate this. However to imply it is just the latest Exynos but "in house" is an oversimplification.
@@GaryExplains To behonest with you the exynos varient and other traits such as screens are provided from Samsung for Google. Actually Samsung has made business partnerships with google. However, all the apps are integrated within Samsung phones! The rest I do get what you mean!
Will u be doing ur Speedtest G videos again??? We miss them 🥺💔
Sadly not at the moment.
As a RUclipsr myself, I like the fact that Gary is using Unicorn Heads for music in his videos 👍
Just subscribed for the great information that was brought. Thank you Gary
Five years of updates is pretty good. Anyone that knows how long Samsung & al. support their phones?
Wondering the fabrication process used.. 6nm, 5nm or 4nm?
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Samsung's 4LPE, the same as E2200
Please make speed test videos of tensor vs mediatek vs Snapdragon vs apple chips in speedtest g channel iam a big fan of those videos
Sadly, Speed Test G is on pause. No videos for the moment.
I think you really need to run benchmarks, to judge the best quality/ price
I have a google pixel 6 Pro for work, and a Zfold 4 personal. The pixel os is just butter, and my photos on the pixel just run laps around my zfold (If you get extreme open sunlight photos then Zfold is ok).
Wish they would get rid of the Chromecast cast and get a screen mirroring function like every other android without the need to bring a brick around every where
Getting very much Kirin 970 vibes. The tensor G2 sounds fine enough, but I don't like this hard focus on the TPU which 95% of Apps ignore entirely. And I expect a bigger upgrade for the G3, like from the Kirin 970 to the 980.
@M I L K Y 🤨 🤣 the tpu chip is for photography
@@HShango then what is the need of ISP?
do apps run slower on the G1?
No need for the spec race. For years SOC chips can handle any app and game on mobile. Especially if the developers optimized their apps well for the SOC. The next leap is AI. Google has focused on making the smartest chip which they have done versus the most powerful chip.
I will wait for next pixel, probably. Because I still have a time to wait not being in desperate need of one :) Thanks 👍🏻
I'm hoping they've used integrated 5G modem not like G1 which cases huge battery drain, for me if the phone can give me smooth scrolling with fast app opening and good camera /battery and no stupid bug, I don't care much of so much poeer
why should one pay 50% more for 1 extra sensor, 4gb extra ram and slightly bigger screen?
Top technology always cost disproportionately more. Just for example, let's think of a cars. A new Ferrari and a new Ford have a top speed which is maybe 20% difference. But the price might be 300% different. There's a whole group of consumers who really want the best and will pay.
Are these tensor cores really needed?
Yeah. They are what drive 90% of the computational photography
No, but it is a way to differentiate themselves from the competition
@@99stem All the ML is done on those cores. It's the same with Nvidia having specific RT cores for Ray tracing. You can do it natively with a CPU and GPU like AMD but the specialized cores are just better at it
It still feels a bit gimmicky. If software developers dont use the tensorflow library they seem a bit unused.
@@jhvhest yeah but Google themselves use them extensively already (looking at all of those promised features).
I guess they also expect more and more software developers to actually want to make use of ML in the future. I guess we'll just have to see how many other oems start introducing npu processors into their smartphones.
This channel is great. Thankyou so much for going in depth...
Hi Gary! Good to see you again. Can you tell us about the dimensity chip? I hear that it demolishes Snapdragon...
Which Dimensity chip?
Gary what is the optimal hardware specifications to Run any Software, and do you think Google can keep up there pixels for the year s coming ahead.
Is Google optimising there software as how iPhone s do ?
At least get them manufactured by TSMC!
efficiency over performance that is the focus.
Tbh, the only thing that needed to change was the modem.
I don’t know about you but performance for the average user (which is Google’s target market) is already good enough to be useful for up to 5 years.
Apple is also realizing this.
But yeah, as long as that changes, everything should be fine.
I think other companies should do what Google is doing. We don't need a new processor every year. Make a minor upgrade of the recent one and put in the flagship specs and keep the price down. We only need features now than new processors because the ones that are there now can do any lifting. I'm still using the SD 865 in my Oppo Find X2 Pro and it has not lagged for once. It feels like I'm using the SD 8+ Gen 1. We need up to three years to upgrade new processors.
I am also an Oppo Find X2 Pro user and am still pleased with it.
Hardware wise the Pixel 7 is perhaps a bit behind the smart phones of the competitors, but software wise they are ahead by getting Android 13 before the competitors.
Is personal data stored on the Google Tensor SoC processor?
Doesnt matter if it is going to heat up with simple usage like phone calls and 4G internet just like the previous one
I've used all the flagship devices of 2021/2022 including iphone 14 pro max and so farbthe pixel 6 pro remains my favourite device. It has the fastest, smoothest software of any device. Its plenty powerful enough and takes arguably the best photos. So any improvement on tensor 2 is welcome. Socs are more than what's needed. Apple because of their lack of innovation or anything new other than more powerful chips have made people think they need overly powerful chips when it's literally not true . Pixel 7 range will be more than enough
When is next speed test G comparison coming?
why does it have a low score compared to others in the pcmark video editing part?
I feel like Google using older hardware is at odds with their promise of long software support. How is "just keeping your head above water" for this year going to perform in 2 or 3 years?
Focusing on software updates only, I'd argue the more the hardware remains the same or similar, the more likely it will be supported for longer. Newer hardware leads to bigger differences year over year until it reaches a point where they can't justify supporting an older, slower and less feature rich devices. Look at what happened to Windows 11, no support for older hardware because of new 'security' hardware features being a mandatory requirement to run it.
I'd just be happy if my 18 month old phone didn't get slower and use battery more with each update.
When are app and OS developers going to start getting serious about efficiency and optimisation of new code, rather than relying on performance increases in hardware and battery capacity?
Great work. I think Google if they can keep updating and build a really family of devices that and apps they don’t get rid of like Apple does they can be very successful and keep making video great.
Has the modem gotten better?
I wonder what the battery is gonna be like
i still have doubt on samsung foundry
I'll wait for the G4 tensor. In due time.
Wonder how it compares to the A13 Bionic..
why google guy is sounding like stephen hawking 🤣🤣
What happened to speed test G
Wish they would have added HDMI out to give a full ChromeOS desktop on a big screen. Could have trounced all over Dex.
Wait until the G3 and mac uses will be 🤔 sounds very familiar
I really respect Google. I just got my Google pixel 7 and it is a beast. Not the fastest car in the lane, but it was built for efficiency. I had the iPhone 13 mini and it was just just a disaster. Never going back. Plus, the tensor G2 is a true 64 bit. Most people do not know this. Apple is not a true 64 bit.
I just bought the discounted Pixel 6A, I'm going to miss out?
I think this is the right move
I think that the performance race is just a marketing thing nowadays, I have personally used device with all snapdragon chipset even the latest ones and the latest ones are all a frying pan that makes the device throttle and lag. So what gives if it will throttle and performance will decrease. No point
I’m spending this winter outdoors keeping my iphone Pro at 3.4GHz
I can't trust Google like that anymore, they're not reliable when it comes to their products. I'll stick to buying android phones from other OEMs
it might end up to be some kind of tik tok rhythm like Intel had. (not the social media Plattform but how they are working on new chips)
It's probably not easy to figure out something new like ARMv9 so they opted for something stable.
also: new ARMv9 + current Samsung production has overheating issues afaik so they chose the well-known armv8.
next gen could be ARMv9 and/or have major performance upgrades.
ufs 4.0 is right around the corner
the way Apple ran ahead Google might work for the long run choosing to design their chips more carefully.
the stuff that might yield more performance wasn't the safe bet for their first chips. but they needed their own chips to test stuff out and to have a working smartphone with an npu for the software/ML devs.
Pixel 7 pro might be a reiteration but I wouldn't consider that to be bad. They just need time to release something better. I'm not sure a yearly release schedule is the best thing but it is what makes money and they way to promote devices as new. and they definitely improved upon the pixel 6 pro. but you can't advertise every improvement. and so some new software features might be exclusive to the new hardware.
addendum: I'm considering to buy the Pixel 7 pro actually.
yes, it's not bleeding edge but their software is what leaves me impressed and the Pixel 7 pro has av1 acceleration, esim support, Bluetooth 5.2 with the new codec and native support for true wireless (talking to both earpieces at the same time etc.), wifi 6e, wireless charging, seamless Android updates, an LTPO panel and more than 6gb of ram.
Well and they produce the best camera images imo. (accurate colors, actual hdr (great for color correction like I do)). Resolution doesn't matter as much, it just increases file size
Basically, the G2 is a processor open to future software-based improvements. The G2 is better than an Exynos, certainly.
Could you explain why Google, Apple, Samsung - all abandoned the excellent Snapdragon?
The only positive - they no longer need Qualcomm for the release of their security updates; friends have Chinese phones which had become useless after 2 years, as the manufacturers release four updates in two years...
Snapdragon=$$
Google betting that their processors are fast enough using 1 and 1/2-year-old technology isn't interesting move. They are betting it all on their tensor 2 co-processor and their software for it.
I don't think they're wrong in most applications, but if you're going to be running four applications at a time and taking pictures, I'm not sure that this is enough for a $900 pro phone, even if it has 12 gigs of RAM.
I'm going to hold on to my Google Pixel 4 for another few months and see what the reviews look like before I decide on a pixel, another Android phone, or an iPhone.
Architecture sounds fine. If they improve the battery life over the pixel 6 then it will be good. Current battery life sucks.
Considering the insanely low price for the phones I really don’t mind a less powerful chip.