Camber VS Rocker Snowboard Test
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
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In this video I test out the differences between traditional camber and rocker snowboards. The difference between camber and rocker snowboards is in the way that the snowboard is arched. The camber snowboard is arched so the center of the snowboard is raises off the snow, with the nose and tail touching. While a rocker snowboard is shaped more like a banana with the nose and tail arched away from the snow and the center of the snowboard touching. The five tests I put the snowboard through are basic turns, flat and narrow runs, carving, ollies and butters. It would be awesome to hear your feedback on the camber vs rocker snowboard test and what you think are the pros and cons between rocker and camber snowboards.
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I'm a 20+ year rider and have to say there is more to rocker than this. I switched from camber to a flying V and love it. It floats much better in powder and allows much quicker initialization into turns. It has a more loose feel and may be harder to control, but I find it more fun as someone who loves to spin a lot. It definitely is not as powerful in the turns, so it requires a little extra focus to stay locked. I wouldn't say either is better, just different. If you've ever been in really deep snow and struggled to keep enough weight on the back leg, you will understand why rocker is awesome. This also applies to going switch in powder which can otherwise be really difficult. Thanks for the great vids Kevin, hopefully this helps!
Thanks for the feedback! The rocker is definitely better in the powder.
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+Matt Angiono It also depends on the shape of the nose. Some rockers don't have much lift and won't be good on powder.
You should have tested a normal rocker instead of an hybrid.
+McDudes I'm going to find the most rocketed board I can and test it against the most cambered this winter!
SnowboardProCamp that's awesome I can't wait for that video :D
SnowboardProCamp u can write the website from wich u bought the traditional camber burton process snowboard please ?
fratze187 I have hybrid and in powder it still wins. my friend got stuck in powder couple of times on his camber while I easily floated away
there are no friends who go snowboarding where i live :(
Good comparison; thanks for spending the time pulling this together. Something beginners will want to be aware of is that camber boards may catch an edge more easily than a non-camber board.
I've been riding since 1994. I had a rocker for many years, today I now own a flying-v and a camber.
I love the camber. Not a huge fan of the flying-v, and I don't really miss the rocker.
I think the most important is to have a board that's the right size, comfy shoes, sharp edges, nicely set binders, then you can worry about your board shape. Overall your riding skills will make the real difference. There's no right or wrong when it comes to board preference.
Why not a huge fan of FV? I’m beginner/ intermediate btw. The reason I ask is because I’ve read for my skill lever/style, FV is the way to go for now
@@cameronlafond820 In my opinion FV is Burton marketing trying to make a board for people who don't know what they want. Burton make amazing boards but if I have a choice I would take a camber over a FV any day. It's not related to skills level, just FV has some weird edges because it's trying to do two things at once but does neither well. Whatever you choose, I'm sure you'll enjoy it, the board shape isn't the most important criteria IMO, getting the right size is far more important (should fit under your chin!).
is camber worse when jumping? like more risky. i can only do 540s
I suspect he is more experienced with camber and finds it more comfortable. An unintentional bias. This is a very small sample so don't draw any conclusions based on just this video.
Id have to agree. he gives a slight edge to buttering on the "rocker" board but he can hardly butter it and is clearly better at it on the camber board. ive tried a flying v rocker custom at a demo day and was not impressed, flying v is nothing like a true rocker board. this is a poorly conducted experiment
from this video some beginner snowboarder would deduce that camber is the only true way and rocker boards are just engineers' mistakes. and you didn't even mentioned that
1) on rocker you're less likely to catch and edge
2) rocker is superb in powder
and you should have tested normal rocker instead of an hybrid.
I actually learned on a v-rocker burton custom board, I feel it was great as a beginner but as I progressed it was hindering my performance. Jumps and ollies were shaky on the landings. And as I got faster the board would never hold an edge worth squat! Switched to camber and was amazed by how the board would lock in while I was on my runs. That 1st day with a camber board I bombed the mountain so many times and with speeds I never thought possible. Camber all the way!
Come on man, slight advantage on butters? Rocker were designed for that type of playfulness and completely blow camber out of the water. This review is like: Car or Motorcycle, But its your first time on a motorcycle.
Douchy69 it was a hybrid
That just brings up more problems. Why use a hybrid for this video / why title it like he has / why keep referring to is as a rocker? Seems odd. I like all the other Snowboardprocamp vids I've seen, but this one missed the mark a bit for me. Thanks for trying to clear things up tho.
Douchy69 cause this kinda hybrid feels exactly like a rocker trust me
You don't know shit . I bet you can't even butter
Douchy69 it’s not at all like car vs motorcycle what the hell kind of analogy is that lmao
one thing that people don't really get is that rocker and magna traction are designed to work together. Lib tech is the only company with the proper technology to make rocker work well (sorry, but it's true). also, to carve well using rocker, you use the board differently, you work the middle of the board. if your used to riding a camber board and you just use rocker like a camber board, it's not gonna feel right. but when you recognize that you can really put a lot more power into the middle of the board, it opens up a whole new world of carving power, you can really adjust your arc, you can power carve through chunky and funky snow (the rocker absorbs bumps better when on edge). from what ive heard, NS makes really good carving boards with their camber/rocker combo, and Lib Tech's Banana Magic and Cygnus X-1 (and others) are superb. to review; you need a correct board, most rocker boards are for jib/buttery action. the right cam/rock combo along with "serrated edges" can give you supreme carving power, better powder performance, quicker turning ability, and improved performance in variable conditions (ice, chunks, not smooth snow) having ridden since 1986, these new flex shapes are a game changer, I would not go back to a camber board for all around riding!
I love my 2015 Lib tech banana magic! carves like crazy, floats in the pow, butters good, lands jumps well, light and fast.
Magna traction is only neccesary for east coast riding, or harder conditions, something like Arbors grip tech is a better variation in my opinion for most riding situations, and is more forgiving overall.
if you want a forgiving board, you can always get a skate banana, or get something with magnatraction .5. that said, I ride in CA, UT, and CO, so I am seeing some good snow, but you always see spots that are icy, even if it's just hoar frost under the pow. a high performance rider is going to appreciate the ability to really hold an edge no matter what sort of conditions you might be hitting. I find the rocker makes for a very forgiving board when the board is flat or in choppy snow, and the more you tip it up, the more the edge just bites in. combo of MT and BTX also gives unreal ability to carve truly tight turns, it was a game changer for me, you just have more control and power available, and you can be more aggressive because even if you hit a slippery spot, it's still gonna hold. arbor makes good boards, but lib is the creme de la creme, lightest, best built, most environmentally friendly boards, all made in US.
lib is canadian
near canada. WA is still in US.
My personal choice: flat camber/ zero rocker/ however you wanna call it. I used to ride a hybrid rocker for a long time which was really fun in all conditions (except for icy conditions) and all parts of the mountain. Playful, comfy powder riding, nice to learn butters and start off park riding as it is really forgiving (while you'd catch your edge pretty quickly on a camber). But as I was progressing in park riding I wanted something more stable for bigger jumps, but still playful and not too aggressive. At first I was pretty skeptic about flat cambers, but once I tried it I immediately fell in love. I'll keep my rocker hybrid board for those hard and long powder days, but I won't switch to another shape in all-day-riding.
I grew up skateboarding and when I switched to Rocker/Camber from straight camber...it was like getting back on a skateboard which I loved. Easy turns, not catching your edge...that looser feel is awesome...like having trucks. Not only that but at speed I personally feel more stable. Notice in his review being on flat and narrow..he talks about riding edge to edge and feeling 'more' in control. That's actually a statement that he's not really familiar with rocker style boards. You don't need to ride edge to edge on the flats and narrows...just relax and let you board go... you can still go edge to edge to slow if you need to ....raise your hand if you've caught and edge in the flat on shitty hard pack on a camber board... Anyways, I'm on a rocker/camber and have zero interest in going back to full camber.
What the hell there is camber rocker skateboards now? 💀 I thought there were only camber/rocker snowboards
It all depends on your terrain prefs. I have a big swooping rocker board which floats extremely well in powder. For groomers and kickers I use a twin camber board. Both perfectly fit my needs when used in the proper terrain, but would perform worse in the other situation. If I ever get into boxes or park more, I would buy a short rocker board, so that I catch an edge less easily.
Also, rocker boards are more fogiving in turns and landings, but give you less response if you're going for big, fast slalom style. And then there is the whole other issue of board stiffness...The best board for you is the board that best fits your riding style.
Neither of those boards are true rocker or true camber. The one board features the Flying V profile, which the shape he described in the video, but it's not really true rocker. The other board (green one) is a Burton Process Off-Axis, which has the "Pure Pop Camber" profile. It isn't true camber, but camber between the bindings then a flat zone then early rise, which is more catch free than true camber. So it's not really an accurate comparison between true rocker and true camber.
I just switched to a lib tech trs c2 power , and although I have no camber experience to speak of, I am absolutely amazed with this board (my 5th board). Very stable flat basing, edge hold is phenomenal, pop is great, great in pow, great on hard pow, great on icy days, buttering brilliant, landings very good, one footing easy. I am in love with this board and have progressed more in 4 days using this board than in two seasons on my last board (rome agent rocker).
I am a beginner snowboarder and use camber, haven't tried rocker yet but camber does a good job for me to learn things fast. Thanks to all useful youtube lessons like this one, I get in love with snowboarding very fast! :)
Thank you very much, the first on any snowboard gear review videos I've watched actually informative.
There's more to come stay tuned!
I feel like this is a bit biased because you've been using your camber board alot more recently
Great vid. It makes sense why the first snowboard I ever rode allowed me to hit and land jumps at only only my 2-3rd day ever snowboarding. Ever since then I’ve been riding rockered boards, that felt unstable after coming down from a jump.
I switched from camber to rocker last year, I was not 100% sure before trying but the first ride with the new board was awesome. Maybe it is because my old board was actually pretty old, but I loved the new one from the beginning. The main difference I saw was when going in powder: maybe you could have made it a little bit more fair by adding this test, but in general the results of the tests you make made sense. And I agree with some of the comments down here, I would always recommend a camber board for beginners: I feel comfortable with the rocker in pretty much everything I do, but I think it is something you appreciate when you have a better control on the board (especially when carving and going "flat")
Amazin video. This is the way that the people must doing a video. Complete , easy n short. Congratulation. From Buenos Aires Argentine.
I was a die hard camber guy (boarding since 1990) and have to say burton rocker and hybrid rocker are the most unstable boards I’ve ever ridden. So i tried a few more rocker birds as they came out and nothing could compare to camber stability at speed and edge control. Then I ran Rides designated Hitter with hybrid profile and the thing was super stable, floated great in powder, slayed the crud, lots of pop, yet playful in the park. Skip forward to riding a Lib Tech C2E profile my buddy was raving about and damn if I wasn’t impressed, ended up getting a GNU T2B with BTX hybrid profile and have to say this thing is best of both worlds: crazy stable at speed, great Magne traction edge hold in icy/variable surface conditions, blasts through crud and tracked out conditions unlike anything I’ve ever ridden but still so quick edge to edge with the best float in powder I’ve ever had including from traditional rocker boards. Mervin made lib tech and GNU for the win!!!!
There are so many options. I ride a balanced mix of deep powder and groomers in Japan and my go-to is my 161 Burton Barracuda which has that hybrid Flying-V camber and it excels at both; it chatters quite a bit on hardpack because of the long, floppy nose but the edge hold is great.
I'm about to roll out with two new boards for Japan this season; a 159 Arbor Shreddy Krueger which has what they call Parabolic Rocker where the rocker tapers towards the tip and tail. The sidecut has four extruded contact points as well so more technical riding is doable.
The other is the K2 Ultra Split 158 which is almost flat underfoot (like a 1/4" of camber) and rockered at the tip and tail.
So, two very different shapes this season. I'm curious how they'll perform and hopefully diversify my riding a bit.
Hey Kevin! I just discovered your channel and I feel compelled to say that your channel has the highest quality snowboarding review and instructional content on youtube. As a snowboard instructor and fellow Canadian, keep up the good work man. Hopefully one day you'll be in Banff and you can have a fan meet-up and shred session!
Hey! Thanks you! I work hard on this content and its great to hear feedback from another instructor! I'll keep you posted if I do a trip out to Banff!
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Gilson Pioneer, all this talk about rocker vs camber, 3D bases are the future. I ride a camber Gilson Duel, and I agree with Kevin about camber being better, but look up gilson snowboards and you'll fall in love. They have a USA demo tour if you're in the states. www.gilsonboards.com/tour.html
The board I got good on was a camber, then 2 years later I switched to a board with a rocker and magne traction for about 4 years. I never got any better on that board with the main reason being the edges. My GNU would always wash out on me even with the "7 points of contact" magne traction. On a camber when you put that edge in the snow you can really feel it in there and that's what you want for spinning, something to push off of. And for boxes and rails I still prefer the camber, I mean I can press just as good as a rocker board if not better, it has more to do with your boards flex and where you stance your bindings. For spins, pop, rails, and edge control I'd say camber all day. For powder and butters go with a rocker.
+Brennan Hamilton exactly my feeling too!
Good comments/insight. I've been riding the GNU Space Case (hybrid rocker with the magne traction) for 4 years and just picked up a full camber board (never ridden camber before). I am having the same "wash out" experience that you reference. I'm just worried about catching an edge, but we'll see next week when I get it.
Thanks for the video post. Remember guys this is just a review and is subjective based on his personal experience. I'm old school and currently ride an all mountain carver with hard boots, so ofcourse I love big camber. My buddy rides the chair with me but dives into the trees and powder while prefering a hybrid rocker. Have a great time on the mountain!
Great video! Have not seen anything like this yet that helps a newbie decide the best options. Thanks
I have learned a lot in this helpful tutorial and your channel for the past 2 years now and now that I'm progressing I was looking into getting the burton process and switch from a nitro rocker to the camber burton... thanks for this helpful tutorial and helping me decide on what board to get
I bought the roxy ally yesterday as my first board. Demo'd a capita (reverse camber) and a salomon gypsy (rock out camber). Loved the capita and it felt easy to ride, didn't like the salomon. Then I tried a roxy ally (rocker). First run I just thought I love it love it love it! Second run, kept falling but still loved it. Not sure if buying it was my best decision as I'm still learning but I felt like I needed to challenge myself. I presume I'll get used to it and hopefully get good on it (I'm going straight from hire boards) so it's already a massive difference!
Love the vids, especially the 'learn to' ones, I try to remember the tips while I'm doing a run.
Great review. Exactly the kind of information that I was looking for. Thanks so much.
I ride an old 2007 naidecker platinum, which is camber and also own a bataleon whatever, both 158. The what ever is miles off being a camber and the NP is a pure camber. I like pissing about on my whatever in Park and groomers but any time I want a Good solid day off piste, in pow, Tree runs or beasting it on a group day of trying to clear a mountain I'll always go with the NP camber. When I give advise to friends learning I always advise a rocker or hybrid as it aids with thier turns which as we know from the start is the tough bit to link, but I plan on getting the Travis rice HP for next season as rode it a few times and it is just immense for everything. Keep it up Kevin, cheers pal
I've been rading flying V rocker for 4 seasons since I started to learn snowboarding. it was so hard to control it at the beginning. even now ,I still feel it lacks pop and stability for landing, and needs more strength for carving. I will definitely try a camber board. thanks for your video, it helped me a lot.
I learned snowboarding with a camber (only day 1-6), my first own is a rocker, but I still ride sometimes my boyfriend‘s camber board. I would say that I am pretty strong for a girl, however, for me the biggest advantage of the rocker shape is that I can do turns easily with much less power than with the camber(What this guy also explored in the video), thus need less breaks, what makes it much more comfortable for me.
Full camber - all day every day.
And of course I did have to go through the edge-catching nightmare of learning to snowboard in the early 90s in the UK on a dry slope riding a full cambered super-stiff snowboard. Oh, and wearing ski boots and plate bindings as my local hill did not have any soft boots back then. Tough times! 😂
I watched this video a few times when I was trying to decide between profiles. I ended up with the custom X camber and I like the higher speed carves and control it offered. I've never ridden a v rocker but I knew I didn't want the loose feel because of how I ride. if it's in powder, the camber seems to want to dive but it's still the board for me. until I'm diving down back country steeps in fresh powder, I'll always ride my custom x. thanks for all the videos my man. my girlfriend knows your voice now from hearing hours of your tips. keep it up!
Burton hero 2010/2011 version with 2/10 flex and rocker profile has definitely changed how i view snowboarding. Just the agility you could have with a soft flex twin rocker board opens up a very playful variance of snowboarding that was unavailable for me before trying this board, i instantly fell in love with this type of board and the various riding styles it allows .... definitely not a winner for speed, stability, carving or difficult / icy terrain ... but the fact it allows you to feel the sport in a more playful way, and just generally opening up new perspective to riding would give rocker profile, flexy boards more value in my opinion. Cheers!
could you do a "True" Rocker test comparison next time please :)
I just learned this winter how to snow. I started with a camber but then I got a rocker form xmas and I saw a huge difference. Learning how to turn was much more fast with a rocker and, since turning is a big deal at the beginning, I would say rocker is better to improve for early snowboarders, at least for me.
Thanks for sharing your experience Ivan! We should do a poll somehow of which board beginners prefer.
+SnowboardProCamp cool
Yeah I got a Process flying V, I like it. It's my 1st board I bought so I just got used to it and know how it's going to act. I might get another process or custom camber board later on just to see.
J Dawg I’m between the process Flying V and the camber version and I’m not sure which one to get. What do you suggest as my 1st board? I’ve been riding for 3 years now and I wanna start progressing more seriously
Usually freaking love snowboardprocamp videos. But this feels super bias and not very scientific, clearly more comfy on a camber and suits your style. For example on the flat test (small amount of footage) showed you having to pick an edge and not actually flatboarding. I might argue the rocker looked better. Finally this isn't a traditional camber, so its tough to even compare the two.
Keep up the content though, you do great stuff.
First learn to butter like a pro and then you'll find the advantages of the rocker. And also rocker as better for learning as well, hence it's forgivable behavior.
So... Rocker is for - ground tricks, learning, powder, spins and tricks
Camber is for - speed, carving, icy slope
+Plamen Penev What advantages do you think the rocker has for beginners?
On my opinion, rocker is better for beginners, because it is easier to maneuver and it's forgivable in terms to catching the wrong edge while turning. Other good choice for beginners is a flat board.
+Plamen Penev I think it also depends on where you struggle while learning to snowboard. When you have troubles catching the wrong edge, a rocker could be a good idea. On the other hand, if you (like myself) have troubles with flat/narrow passages, the camber seems the better choice. A lot of the skiing/boarding areas where I'm boarding are traditional made for skiers, often connecting passages with long flat logging roads (I hope thats the right term). Those are hell especially for beginners who don't feel comfortable riding with high speed (to get the drive for the flat parts). The camber feels way more secure on those parts in my opinion. Apart from that, the feeling for the boarder should be the main reason to chose a board, so testing different styles should be recommended to everyone ;)
+Plamen Penev I learned on rocker and after switching to camber I wish I learned more on camber, because it took me a while to get used to it. Rocker promotes lazy riding and allows riding ok even with bad form/technique, while camber wont forgive you for those. You can also learn to butter like a pro on a softer camber board as well.
+MrFujiapples, I've learned on camber /at thet time rocker wasn't invented yet/, and then switched to rocker, which suits perfectly to my riding style - ground tricks mainly. Snowboarding shoud be easy, fun and why not lazy as well, I don't see that as a bad thing. With rocker board in the end of the day when you are tired, or when you learning new tricks small mistakes won't get you on the ground. Of cource If you are a big jump, slope or speed rider, camber would be a better idea.
That was an excellent video. I'm going to be renting and this was great. When you hear what the rocker does - it's easy to get interested. But I need the control I was seeing with the camber. So thanks for that!
This is my 30th year snowboarding. Sk8 Banana. That’s all I have to say!
I ride a flat top rocker from rome and it has everything a camber has, the stability at high speeds, the pop, and the butter that a rocker has, love it
This also depends a lot on what you've ridden in the past. I went from a stiff camber to hybrid camber and definitely prefer the hybrid camber board. It is a lot more playful and forgiving. Seems like Kevin has been riding camber a lot which might be influencing his preference. I just had a demo day and everything I tried felt less comfortable than my board, so naturally, I would argue in favor of it.
No pro snowboarders ride anything other than Camber.
The hybrid is so different, I use a traditional reverse camber with my partially paralyzed left (lead) leg. Sell it has heel toe ridges to give a tiny bit of grip.
I have so much more control in the turns compared to every camber I've rode before. Simply a huge difference.
Your videos helped me learn my basics btw. Still have some issues with my paralyzed leg, but between my Arbor Swoon and your videos I carve the mountian in tiny bits.
lol I had exact orange burton custom and i rode that for 4 years and now i have the exact same process but different color. I have to agree the custom was a good start off board bu the process feels so much better with turning and park riding
Should have mentioned camber is much easier to catch edge on, especially for beginners. I started out with a camber board and would catch edge and fall hard a few times a day. I switched to rocker and pretty much never catch edge anymore.
+dacasman you will catch more edge when you're learning and less afterwards. So if you use a camber initially then switch, it will seem like it's the board allowing you to catch less edge but it probably was just the typical snowboarder's learning curve.
I said "probably".
+Cichlid Bro That's absurd. I've been riding for 18 years and own rocker and camber boards and you are just dead wrong. Rocker will let you get away with mistakes you would pay for dearly on a camber board. If I'm going fast I wouldn't trade camber for anything. If I'm playing around in the park and trying new butters, rocker is better.
It would be awesome if you had a test comparing aspects of freestyle. Including flat tricks, straight airs, spins, rails ect.
This one time...
at band camp...
learned how to ride on a camber, and it's a tough concept to get, edge bites really hard usually. But it's amazing in the turns from what I experienced, once I got it down with carving the camber style board will treat you right, but it can be a difficult board to ride for a beginner. All tho if you learn on a camber it can help progress your skills in my opinion.
my local shop sad as a beginner i should get a rocker board so i did. I have never tried riding a chamber but so far i really like my board.
I tried hybrid rocker for two seasons and just went back to a classic camber board - Nitro Team Exposure. I am glad I tried rocker and more glad to be off it. The regular camber Nitro Team is the most fun board I have ever had, in all conditions - backcountry pow to park. Its actually made me stoked to ride again. For reference: I can spin 50 ft+ jumps and rode full time for 12 seasons in Whistler + tons more seasons at other resorts.
bought a camber for my first board and couldn't stand it, got a flying v rocker afterwards, fell in love with it, perfect for beginners, much more forgiving on catching edges when you mess up, awesome fun in the deep stuff, couldn't recommend more for beginners!
I'm a beginner riding a soft rocker board. Before I've tried some rental cambers and I would say rocker is way more forgiving for me. I feel when I'm about to catch edge and have enough time to correct it. If it's not too serious I can even feel the board correct me.
I have the burton custom, I love it
I'm an old school intermediate rider, so of course I say camber is the way to go. I need the stability and grip of a camber board. I guess it comes down to what kind of rider you are, but I think its a matter of putting in your dues and taking the lumps and bumps that come with learning anything new. When you finally get it and start nailing turns, I think you'll be much happier with a board that is stable with great edge hold rather than one that feels squirrely. Easy turn initiation is not a fair trade for reliable edge hold and stability, in my opinion. =)
I love my rocker. If I'm out if alignment and about to catch an edge, several times it just kicks over rather than throwing me on my ass. It's slippery but it was easy to get used to.
that kind of test for park riding would be nice too, great video
Great idea for the video! Been riding Camber (Burton Custom) since 2005, but I'm just looking at getting a Rocker, possibly Flying V. While some comments seem on the money, both Camber and Rocker categories have so much variety it would be best to:
1. Compare really true Camber VS true Rocker VS Hybrid
2. Add more tests in various terrain such as trees, powder, icy, true blacks 2X diamonds.
- My personal experience is:
1. Some Cambers like mine, it's practically impossible to do Butters!
2. I can't turn my camber on off-piste diamond (knee deep powder)
3. It is much harder to fully enjoy Camber if you ride 3-5 full days straight.
The only thing I dislike about my camber board is the edge catch when I'm buttering. Other than that, it's a charger! I can ride 50-60mph without a second thought. Definitely more control than my rocker board...but rocker was more playful.
3D bases man, they are the way. www.gilsonboards.com/pioneer-snowboard.html these boards are really cool, they have a "soft edge" design so on hardpack your edge isn't making contact with the snow if you go flat base, and they have a ton of flex in the middle of the board with the rest being pretty stiff so you can butter on a camber board without worrying so much about hangups. But then you're still riding a camber board when it comes down to it so you can lay down some really nice carves. There are so many advantages, it's a great jib board concept because you can keep your edges sharp without worrying about hangups, great for pow, great for forgiveness on landings, but without sacrificing control on takeoffs. They have a US demo tour so you can ride before buying cuz the price is indeed on the steeper side. I have 2 and they're so worth it, saving for my 3rd.
Sam Clark same here with my old pro model sims. Its a board that want to go fast , ride aggresive, and pop. But I'm checking for a hybrid board, very curious about this shape
Thanks for doing this test, I need a new board for this season and had no idea what differences there were.
Surely it would've made more sense in a camber vs rocker test to ride a true camber board against a pure rocker board and not just a hybrid board.
По мелочам не понятно, но в целом всё ясно.
Спасибо, чувак 👍
Im a huge fan of the vids. Ive watched loads of the tutorials and the riding challenges. I would say my favorite was the switch riding challenge of riding switch for a full day. get ready to hurt, but also take your switch riding to the next level! With that, i would have to say this vid is only good for those 2 boards, there is a lot more too it. there is a lot of factors that are left out, such as a new board vs. a broken in board is different. like any purchase, i suggest do research. camber and rocker arent the only ones available. plus, most brands have their own hybrid version as well, plus the actual design of the board from material, flex, flex zones, edges, length of board, etc. it really comes down to your riding style. generally the profiles will favor certain riding styles. if you dont understand what you are reading online when you research, then go check out a local shop. they usually are full of riders who can help you out. last time i went in they even had little mini boards with the difference profiles to give you an idea. ask loads of questions. if you are new to boarding, try to think of where you want to end up. i wouldnt suggest a park board right out of the gates as it will probably take time to get there. also, try out some demo days. my example would be that i rode a ride (something) for years. it was super undersized at 156. board was great. it even got me through some pow days and it was wicked for tricks and tight treee runs, but a little sketchy at higher speeds as far as going staright and even carving. always felt like i was going to slide out. now that i can afford something better, i did tons of reasearch. and yes, it was actually exhausting the amount of shit that you need to sift through to figure it out. im mostly an all mountain rider, who likes to hit rollers and maybe cruise through the park and do the odd rail or box. anyways, i settled on a T-rice, 161.5. its a hybrid with a serrated edge. i thought i was going to be out of control on that thing as it was gigantic to what i was used to. the first day was a big learning curve, plus i had broken my ankle 4 months before.... anyways, the board handles like a dream, and i would say has none of the issues that are mentioned in the vid, and even opposite. its stable at high speeds and i can do tight turns, straight aways, hard carving, ollie, jump, land, all better than my previous board. i had to break the flex in a bit as it was stiff as hell at the start. it also depends on how much you are going to snowboard and how much $$ you have to play with. snowboarding can be an expensive hobby, but worth it if you plan on boarding for awhile and can get out fairly often. so ya, best bet is to either check out a local shop, grab some stickers, or use and abuse demo days. i mean, who doesnt like to snowboard??? lol!
I've been ridding for 24 years and have a full quiver camber to full Rocker. They all have a place but I feel the combo camber from lib is bar far the best performing board out there. I have a 165w lib skunk ape with C2 combo camber.
Lib Tech is the best. I got a 2021 Ejackknife, and 2016 Lando Pheonix.
Like you said they all have there time and place.
C3 camber is my favourite.
Why is this not Camber Vs Hybrid? I feel like Hybrid profiles are much different than a full rocker profile. Also where the lengths of the boards the same? I feel like that would make a difference.
Yeah, the board lengths are the same. (159) I could title the video rocker hybrid, but I thought people may not know what rocker hybrid was and would be more familiar with rocker. That's why I explained the difference at the beginning.
Hybrids are full rocker throughout the board. They just have camber under the feet.
+Got Method not all of them are, like the libtech hotknife is a camber dominant with just a bit of rocker in between your feet
+Got Method depends on what kind of hybrid we are talking about there are so many different combinations. You have rocket camber rocker. You have camber rocker camber.
+SnowboardProCamp I see where you are coming from and thanks for the reply. it was a great video and keep up the good work. Would love to see you talk about all the different profiles and give a very in-depth analysis of them all.
Great video! I'm a bit shocked that the camber won this battle. Totally unexpected! I ride a gnu carbon board with magna traction. Rocker hybrid. I absolutely love the rocker style boards! Hooked since my first test ride! Yes, you do loose pop. But the super playful responsiveness of the rocker makes me all giddy inside!! :)
I'm usually switching between both dependant on conditions etc
and than there is me i dont even know which board i have😂
lift it up to your eye line and look at the profile, or put it on the floor and lay down and look that way :) see which part of the board comes up and which stays on the ground.
Now I wanna go get a Camber haha! Thank you for your vids man! Its been only my fifth time hitting up the mountain and I am already hitting/landing jumps!
+Christian D fifth day or fifth trip?
+me aren't they kinda the same thing..?
I ride a Burton Custom Camber and my brother rides a Burton Process Flying V. One of the lager differences I've noticed, is the Camber board feels much more stable at high speed. So if you wanna go fast. Get Camber.
You can not compare rocker vs camber when the not same board , because the flex , length and wide are different.
You must compare for example arbor coda (rocker) vs arbor coda (camber) sorry for my bad english.
It is the same as to compare fwd and front wheel drive on a road in winter. But try to compare them somewhere of the road. I use Jones mind expander , but if there is no powder , I will definitely prefer a camber board too.
Shape just explains that situation the board fits into.
Rocker : if you enjoy parks, groundtricks go for it. To be honest, you want rocker board if you are doing powder run for much more float without having to move your stance a bit as well as re-setting the binding's location. Also if the ski resort that you go doesn't even groom the surface properly, you may want a rocker board.
Camber : if you love carving and smooth riding you need camber with bit of high stiffness. It gives you a lot more balance than rocker especially on landing from a jump. If the ski resort you go does fantastic job on grooming the surface, go for camber with high stiffness or flat.
Both has their unique advantages depending on situations.
Don't need to offend him since this vid is about his opinions on both boards. One mistake would be the title of this vid which is a no-no for hot heads. They will bite as hard as they can.
You can ride a garage door in powder so really doesn't matter if it's camber or rocker. A better test would be in the trees. I believe rocker has a slight advantage there but that's about it.
From my short 14 years on a snowboard i think i have boiled camber vs rocker down pretty well. Rocker is great 90% of the time its what is best for the job, you can really feel the control of spinning, turning etc based in the symmetrical center of the body, it floats through soft stuff better, doesn't edge catch quite as easy and is easier to learn on. However there is the 10%, it lies in the cambers ability to grab snow. nothing carves down a hill or up a lip of a park booter like a camber board. can a rockers do bs9's????yes of course. However you should know the 100+ riding day/ year guy who throws said bs9's after breakfast every morning with grace and style that almost makes you wanna quit is riding a camber. Also camber naturally has better pop which is great for squeaking that last 180 or getting up onto that ridiculously high handrail. I know a lot of rocker guys out there may not agree but just look at all the xgames, dewtour and other contest riders and see what they are riding. Stale is the only one i can think of that contradicts, and even his is a hybrid. Also board manufacturers will make boards to riders profiles and wrap it in conventional graphics so stales board may not be a mod rocker at all! Rockers are great boards i own 3 or 4 of em and are capable of more than i am, but my Camber boards are the ones that leave the lasting impression.
I'm an intermediate rider. I have Volkl 164' flat rocker (easy rocker) for freestyle/freeride (all mountain) riding.
They have maps on the lift chairs. That's posh AF.
+Neuro Pulse haha!
Neuro Pulse mate I've been on chairlifts with heated seats
Evan O'Connor where are they?
when the place you're riding is as big as whistler, you need a map on the lift!
@@siddarthrajavelu7542 I think the Orange Bubble Express in Park City/Canyons, Utah has heated seats. pretty cool
Rode camber up until about 2 years ago when I picked up a Never Summer Evo. My stiffer camber boards ruled in the pipe by a long shot. Also I would have to give the big jumps to the camber board but feel that the hybrid gives better control in and out of the spin if that makes sense. Buttering and jibs not even a comparison I will choose the hybrid any day. As for riding I can't give a good comparison based on the cambers I ride are old as hell and don't have the tech to reduce speed chatter like that of the NS Evo. Hope this helps but until you ride each type and flex rate you really don't know what feels good for ya.
Wouldn't this video be a little biast since it looks like his main board is the camber
good catch!
There's a reason though. Seems like it works better for his style of riding. Some could like the rocker more tho!
Ethan Dipple that's what I was thinking
Ethan Dipple wouldnt that be true to any decent snowboarder doing any test/review since I guarantee you that they all have a type of board that they prefer to ride as their main?
Ethan Dipple
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I did 3 seasons with the Flying V also my first board. I think it is a good first board as it allows you to get a feel of everything: Park, Powder, etc... I always ride with a duck stance +15, -15 On hard snow there is no control i would have to make long curves across the run, sure if i have both angles positive i would have more control. On bumpy slopes if i go high speed on heel edge the board will be jumping all the time also no control, both angles positive can make a difference though. I recently adjusted the high-backs for more forward lean and got more control. Tried it on fresh powder and it is awesome, but the hill was steep it counts as black if it was groomed so not sure if will still float on a hill with a smaller angle. Since now i also can jump and do some butters next season will try a camber board to see which one fits me better. I think the most important factor in choosing a board is the resort where you ride most of the time. Where i ride we don't have long runs and they are inclined not flat and not well suited for buttering. I think the Flying V is a good board for someone who wants to test everything until decides if he wants to stay at the park or on powder or just cruise at high speed.
I started boarding in 83’.. still running swallowtails on big mountain riding..I’ll need to find a rocker board and try it I suppose.. standard camber is what I’m use to..I’ll skip the fancy tricks at my age.. lol
Did anyone seen the guy fall at 1:58?
I saw him
Ye lol
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James Call hahahahahhaha
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Excellent explanations, thank you😅
when i started when i was 6 i used a camber board then when i got into racing i went to a stiff camber alpine board (F2 roadster, Sims carve 2 , oxygen proton) then last year i went and got a Donek saber boarder cross board and that was still camber and at the same time i got a DC PBJ rocker and i only rod it once at a resort so if i where u i would get a Donek i have a lot of fun with that board
Thank god I bought a burton process smalls I love it !!!
Awesome man!
Agree with you on all points. However, I've been on camber since '88 and hybrid since 2015. The hybrid's fun in a bit of powder, the camber is great everywhere. Keep in mind though I don't do a whole hell of a lot of park.
On my third rocker board and not interested in going back any time soon. I find the rocker to be more playful on the rails and it absolutely floats in the powder so its perfect for me. You looked a little uncomfortable on the rocker in the video. Hopefully you give another one a try sometime they are fun boards. Also the rocker is awesome when it comes to snake runs where there are banks to help get you around.
Its all about the right tool for the job. Big-jump, freestyle riders and beginners (no dis to the experienced freestylers intended) are going to benefit most from the rocker since it is a more forgiving design when the edges come in contact with the ground.
For all mountain riding I'll take camber please! I demoed a Custom Flying V without knowing anything about it's rocker/camber profile, and after one day I really hated that board. Turning it felt vague and sloppy (especially transitions). It didn't have any pop to it, and I did not have fun in the trees. On the plus side, I did survive some poorly landed jumps that would have spanked me on a camber board.
Powder is another beast where rocker probably has a slight advantage. But then length, binding offset and shovel/tail shape is going to have a much bigger influence.
I snowboarded 15 years on a stiff camber. (150-160 range) I then upgraded to a Burton Nug (142) the first year it was out, when it was completely rocker (no flying V or hybrid) At first I had feelings like you have kevin, like there wasn't enough edge or something. After 7 seasons on the nug and over 300 days, I can say that initial reaction is FALSE. The thing about the true reverse camber, you need to COMMIT to your edge. Straight over carve and you reach this next level of edge hold. Like there is a relaxed carve with reverse camber boards, where you feel like you are slipping more, then if you lean just a bit more you lock into this rock solid edge and you can straight carve so hard you go back up hill. Also with the reverse camber I've been able to confidently learn front and back boards, lots of butter tricks like presses to 270 outs (front and backside)
I'll say though, the ONLY thing I can think of that is lacking in a reverse camber board is the pop. I miss my huge flat ground pop that comes with a traditional, really super stiff, camber snowboard. I haven't experimented with a hybrid (camber under feet, reverse camber between feet and on nose/tail. hows the pop on them?
What's your thoughts on your rocker on icy/hard snow?
@@LS67NOVA I would prefer camber, but, if you keep your edges nice and sharp you should be able to shred ice/hardpac on any shape.
I have the burton process camber and it is awesome. The flex and amount of camber is what’s key and why I was able to size up to the 159. It seems like a stable “flat” profile. My rocker board (Capita sierrascope) has a very fun, loose, yet predictable ground level feel.
When I think camber though, my 09 black snowboard of death 💀 has enough to park a car underneath. If you can ride this board in pow, everything else is easy.
I really like this snowboard comparison video. It gives me a good advice on which type of boards i should buy, especially to the beginner like me,
Recently, i bought the new Burton Clash snowboard 2016, and it has a flat top between nose and tail. hope u can make and other video comparing it to the traditional camber board. thx
keep the good work =] cheer
I have to say rocker makes a huge difference for beginners. Its more forgiving and you catch less edges. I tried learning with camber, and then switch to rocker and I improved much faster. But once you get better camber gives you more control for sure.
+Alvaro G I have to agree. I have both a camber and a rocket board, and the rocket board is very forgiving. Especially when you start to jump 180's and 360's you can pretty much land like a dork without even catching an edge.
I'm snowboarding for a few weeks now. The first days i had an camber board and I think is was okay. After a week I bought a board. The guy who sold me the board highly adviced a rocker board, so I bought a rocker board and I like it a lot better than the camber, because it turn so much easier.
Thanks for your review mate - nice one
Kevin whatsup dude love the videos, glad I finally got to see one the day it was uploaded! Also Ive been into the whole camber vs rocker thing for a while and am glad to see your review, very informative. I totally agree that camber is the way to go, I tried a rocker once and couldn't get into it because it was impossible to hold an edge and be stable in general. Camber is the way to go! The camber design is so fundamental to snowboarding in the way it allows for edge control and turn initiation that I honestly think the whole rocker thing is kind of like reinventing the wheel. Cheers love the vids man!
+Arthur Olbert Hey Arthur, Thanks for checking out the videos and the feeback! I've had a few hybrid rocker boards, but I keep coming back to camber!
I have a K2 87 and a Burton 3-D Fish. They both have a specific job. Nothing handles Big Pow like the Fish but I wouldn’t ride it on the Crusty Stuff.
I'd like to see a comparison between a traditional camber and something like what I ride, the Capita indoor survival, which has a zero camber between the contact points and rocker on the nose and tail, much more stable than that button hybrid.
twin flying v rocker with frostbite edges, god i love my burton blunt !
I like to use a zero-camber board. It feels really nice all around the mountain as well as hitting rails and boxes
+Randy Butternubbers Hybrid the best!