No … the video will* have to come from JHS or vertex . The guy in this video does not have that kind of power right now . The archer that is tweaked for John Mayer is not available by J rockett .
It also could be a space thing on the B rig. If you look at the smaller board, if you added a full sized real Centaur on there, you’d have to take off at least two pedals. So I figure this could factor in, as it allows him to get his core tones on the smaller board
I gotta say, being a huge Mayer fan for a really long time, what sold me on this pedal was the namesake. Jeff beck was an actual tone god I worship often. And should be mentioned that he too could use one of his klons but toured with his archer. I got the copper plated jmod and it sings.
I have the Super Clean and can’t imagine needing the added dB’s of the Super Sweet. I keep mine at like 9:00! Love the tone shaping dip switches on these. I feel like the marketing doesn’t really explain that it’s much more than just a “buffer”.
Sweetwater did an A-B comparison of the two w/ Mark Lettieri and I honestly couldn’t tell a difference. Not that we don’t all know klones are damn close nowadays, but maybe it just doesn’t matter as much to him nowadays, especially with scarcity / going rate for Klon’s (again, not that it matters to him)
I heard the comparison on Sweetwater. I heard a little bit of a difference in the two. I couldn’t tell you what it was that was but maybe it was the price tag lol
The Jeff Mod Archer was dialed in to have slightly less treble, punch, and compression than your typical Klon. It's a bit softer, but it's a wonderful-sounding pedal. So goof that Jeff Beck and John Mayer who is the king of Klons uses them.
The Jeff Archer is cleaner, less gain more of a boost than the previous 2 Archers. The Original silver Archer has a higher EQ focus than the gold Ikon which has a lower EQ focus.
It's kinda funny right after you make this video PRS releases their own version of the klon centaur. I wonder if we will see John use it at all. As a pedal builder I love your attention to detail with things like this. Rockett had a hand in some way with the manufacturing of the early Klon KTRs so it's not a surprise that their archer would be a top choice when one looks for a small form factor klon replacement.
It’s not so perplexing. He’s likely just found a smaller pedal for the smaller pedalboard that does the job. There are plenty of great Klon-ish pedals out there. JRockett, Old Blood Noise Endeavors Fault, Mythos Mjolnir. The Mythos Wildwood Mjolnir is amazing.
Archer does the Klon thing as well as any other Klone, IMO. And better than many. I compared a copper Jeff Archer to my original-run Archer Ikon, btw, and so couldn’t tell the difference. Although, I don’t know how my Ikon would compare to current Ikons. Btw, I bet Jeorge Tripps would repair JM’s Aquapuss if ever needed.
I can tell you, the “Jeff version” of the silver archer (whatever the Jeff thing is) appear on eBay (this was a few weeks back) for hundreds of pounds. I’ve had the regular silver one for years and it’s fabulous. I’d never heard of the Jeff mod - no idea what’s different with it.
Its the one Jeff Beck uses. Its an archer modded to Jeff Becks taste with new old stock germanium transistors. X amount can be made but its widely in stock so no reason for price gouging, atm, since you can get them at most stores
The klon “thing” is just snorting of the star dusts. The difference between brand A-Z is the diodes and for each batch of diodes their Hfe is never exactly the same. And each brand likely adjusts the hi-pass, low-pass filters to Tailor the certain diodes they’re using. Find a brand you can afford or like to support and rock on. There’s no need to follow the hype
Usually I’d agree but the history of way huge and Dunlop bringing its designs back from the dead u could argue that the MK2 is a clone but I get what ur saying
Are you a Derek Trucks fan too by any chance ? He is known for not using pedals but (to my knowledge) has since a couple of years started using a klon clone as well. I haven't followed him much the last couple of months so I'm not sure what has changed. I can't comment on if clones sound like Klons (ha) but you could conclude that if clones do the job for these guys it's good enough for us mortals.
Didn’t J Rockett build the KTR for Bill? I think I heard that somewhere, not sure though. If so, they would have a pretty good handle on what it takes to make them. Maybe John is tired of being blamed for the hype to the Centaur, and if he sounds that good with a J Rockett… then again, maybe he just likes the tweaks Jeff Beck had them make better.
Rockett built the first run of KTR’s. Then they went their separate ways. I remember when the Archer was announced, Rockett included their history with the KTR. That verbiage is nowhere to be found now.
I really don't understand the concept of making and marketing a clone pedal, but then having a "modded" version of that pedal to "make it even closer"... If you're marketing a pedal that is DEFINITELY an unapologetic clone, shouldn't it already be a verbatim circuit??? Why would (or should) you have to pay more to get a "modded" version to get you "even closer" to what the pedal is already supposed to be in the first place... Lets flip the switch... Especially in light of these types of videos... Most of us are on a budget. We see videos telling us "Oh, a regular T.S pedal, mini Katana, Morning Glory, Aquapuss mk 2, etc will get us close enough..." so we buy those pedals... Then we start hearing about this and that version, special modded circuits etc... and we start doubting our choice of gear, because "It's just not the same". Not that the gear really matters anyway. If you know your equipment and how it reacts, you can get a good approximation of John's tone... Hell, John uses different gear all the time and still sounds like himself, so does it REALLY matter if we spend that extra few hundred bucks on "magical fairydust"? What we percieve as "live tone" has room ambience, mics, reverb, compression, p.a speakers... it's probably nothing like what John is actually hearing in front of his amps... I say this as a guy who has blown PLENTY of money trying to capture John's sound off and on over the years. Back in the day I used a Mayer strat into a Boss comp/sustainer set very low, a Keeley modded Blues Driver, and a TS7 Tone Lok Tube Screamer into a Fender Blues Deville 4x10. Now days I use the same Mayer Strat into a Keeley mini katana, a Blammo Blues Blaster, a TS-808, an Aquapuss mk 2, a Caline "Blue Ocean" delay, into a late 70's Super Reverb... Sounds good to me! These days I'm as close as ever
A bit overhyped. Sure, they are nice, and I have an archer that I use, but not all the time. So many ways to get a great tone, and this is just one of them. I’ve been having more fun just trying to research what sounds and tones I like (for ME) and going for that…regardless of who plays what. That just ends up being a tail chase.
I’d say that comes down to how much space one has on one’s board. Or how careful one wants to be about not accidentally nudging knobs with one’s foot. I have Archers and a Centura. Happy to use either, but I can have 2 Archers in the same footprint of a Centura.
I personally prefer the Archer line. The Centura's gain isn't as smooth when it's higher up which is something I look for in a clone. The Ikon does it better imo, it's not as fat sounding though as the Centura. So just depends what you prefer as well. They are little differences but they are there.
@@JustinJeske I’m not sure if I’ve ever directly compared the Archer and Centura to each other. I’ve compared both to a Centaur. My takeaway was that they could both be made to sound like the Centaur with various knob tweaking, i.e., not just comparing them with identical knob positions. I do remember that the Centura seemed to do the same boost-to-gain at 9:00 thing that the Centaur does. Maybe it has that same “dual something-or-other” pot that the Centaur has. And perhaps the Archer is too small to have that. 🤷🏻♂️
That makes sense, he used a RAT a lot also. He works with ugly sounds and get magic out of them ;-) I have yet to hear a Klon type pedal I like, to "harsh", for lack of better word, to my ear.
Folks need to realize Klons sold for like 250$ new and lots of people got them for that to around 400$, like the KOT. I got both my kot for 220$ and had an opportunity to buy a klon in realtime for around 300 but passed up because I didnt like how it sounded. I think most pros will obviously go with sound/reliability over scarcity and expensive for sake of expensive. Plus the jeff beck mod archer already has another guitar goat seal of approval so theres that
I had the jeff mod archer for a while but really wasn’t impressed with it. For what it’s worth, I thought the Archer Ikon sounded more natural. Ended up buying a Centura and it can’t see myself parting with it any time soon. Gain is smoother than the Archers IMO. Archers (silver/ikon/jeff) may sound a little clearer, if one is looking for clean boost applications.
AAAAAAND now Archers will start going for 5 grand. LOL!
I would dig it. Big stonks
Glad I bought mine
I just thought the same thing
No … the video will* have to come from JHS or vertex . The guy in this video does not have that kind of power right now .
The archer that is tweaked for John Mayer is not available by J rockett .
😂😂😂😂😂
It also could be a space thing on the B rig. If you look at the smaller board, if you added a full sized real Centaur on there, you’d have to take off at least two pedals. So I figure this could factor in, as it allows him to get his core tones on the smaller board
I gotta say, being a huge Mayer fan for a really long time, what sold me on this pedal was the namesake. Jeff beck was an actual tone god I worship often. And should be mentioned that he too could use one of his klons but toured with his archer. I got the copper plated jmod and it sings.
J Rockett is a personal friend of mine and this video rocks. His pedals do too!
what's also got my eye is the Xotic Super Sweet. A lot of great players and session guys have been singing that little pedal's praises.
I have the Super Clean and can’t imagine needing the added dB’s of the Super Sweet. I keep mine at like 9:00! Love the tone shaping dip switches on these. I feel like the marketing doesn’t really explain that it’s much more than just a “buffer”.
great job as always
maybe the reason could be the pedals size so it could fit better in the boadr? the klon is pretty huge compared to the archer
Awesome channel man
Heard your name mentioned in a Vertex Effects vid recently. Blowing up, my guy 👍
Sweetwater did an A-B comparison of the two w/ Mark Lettieri and I honestly couldn’t tell a difference. Not that we don’t all know klones are damn close nowadays, but maybe it just doesn’t matter as much to him nowadays, especially with scarcity / going rate for Klon’s (again, not that it matters to him)
I heard the comparison on Sweetwater. I heard a little bit of a difference in the two. I couldn’t tell you what it was that was but maybe it was the price tag lol
The Jeff Mod Archer was dialed in to have slightly less treble, punch, and compression than your typical Klon. It's a bit softer, but it's a wonderful-sounding pedal. So goof that Jeff Beck and John Mayer who is the king of Klons uses them.
The Jeff Archer is cleaner, less gain more of a boost than the previous 2 Archers. The Original silver Archer has a higher EQ focus than the gold Ikon which has a lower EQ focus.
Great video
It's kinda funny right after you make this video PRS releases their own version of the klon centaur. I wonder if we will see John use it at all. As a pedal builder I love your attention to detail with things like this. Rockett had a hand in some way with the manufacturing of the early Klon KTRs so it's not a surprise that their archer would be a top choice when one looks for a small form factor klon replacement.
Whar PRS model do you mean?
@@nazarenkodenys They just released the "Horsemeat" because it "eats centaurs for breakfast"
I have the silver Archer and a RYRA. At low gain settings, the RYRA blows the Archer away. The RYRA stays and the Archer goes.
Bought it. Thanks!
I owned one for a while, great pedal, but I use a Nordvang Gravity 2.0 now
When you're the only famous guitarist of today no matter how bad you are and how much you suck or always the best.
It’s not so perplexing. He’s likely just found a smaller pedal for the smaller pedalboard that does the job.
There are plenty of great Klon-ish pedals out there.
JRockett, Old Blood Noise Endeavors Fault, Mythos Mjolnir. The Mythos Wildwood Mjolnir is amazing.
I like the Conspiracy Theory by Way Huge better than the Archer.
It took me a year to pick out a clone. 😂
Archer does the Klon thing as well as any other Klone, IMO. And better than many.
I compared a copper Jeff Archer to my original-run Archer Ikon, btw, and so couldn’t tell the difference. Although, I don’t know how my Ikon would compare to current Ikons.
Btw, I bet Jeorge Tripps would repair JM’s Aquapuss if ever needed.
I can tell you, the “Jeff version” of the silver archer (whatever the Jeff thing is) appear on eBay (this was a few weeks back) for hundreds of pounds.
I’ve had the regular silver one for years and it’s fabulous.
I’d never heard of the Jeff mod - no idea what’s different with it.
Its the one Jeff Beck uses. Its an archer modded to Jeff Becks taste with new old stock germanium transistors. X amount can be made but its widely in stock so no reason for price gouging, atm, since you can get them at most stores
@@justinguitarcia Oh OK, interesting. Thanks.
It’s Jeff Archer is cleaner, less gain more of a boost…
thats the one I am using.. and I've owned two original klons in the past...
What is the small pedal in between the Katana Boost and TS? Is it an Xotic SP Compressor? And next to the Flint is a Carbon Copy?
Carbon copy and xotic super sweet
The klon “thing” is just snorting of the star dusts. The difference between brand A-Z is the diodes and for each batch of diodes their Hfe is never exactly the same. And each brand likely adjusts the hi-pass, low-pass filters to Tailor the certain diodes they’re using. Find a brand you can afford or like to support and rock on. There’s no need to follow the hype
Thanks for hyping up this pedal
Super small note: I wouldn't consider a v2 of a pedal (e.g. AP mk2) a clone.
Usually I’d agree but the history of way huge and Dunlop bringing its designs back from the dead u could argue that the MK2 is a clone but I get what ur saying
or maybe space in the board
Are you a Derek Trucks fan too by any chance ? He is known for not using pedals but (to my knowledge) has since a couple of years started using a klon clone as well. I haven't followed him much the last couple of months so I'm not sure what has changed. I can't comment on if clones sound like Klons (ha) but you could conclude that if clones do the job for these guys it's good enough for us mortals.
Didn’t J Rockett build the KTR for Bill? I think I heard that somewhere, not sure though. If so, they would have a pretty good handle on what it takes to make them. Maybe John is tired of being blamed for the hype to the Centaur, and if he sounds that good with a J Rockett… then again, maybe he just likes the tweaks Jeff Beck had them make better.
Rockett did indeed build the KTR pedals, at least intially anyway, I think things changed later in the production.
Rockett built the first run of KTR’s. Then they went their separate ways. I remember when the Archer was announced, Rockett included their history with the KTR. That verbiage is nowhere to be found now.
@@gilguajardo7808 The article appears to still be up if you use google to find it. It's titled "the archer and why"
I really don't understand the concept of making and marketing a clone pedal, but then having a "modded" version of that pedal to "make it even closer"...
If you're marketing a pedal that is DEFINITELY an unapologetic clone, shouldn't it already be a verbatim circuit??? Why would (or should) you have to pay more to get a "modded" version to get you "even closer" to what the pedal is already supposed to be in the first place...
Lets flip the switch... Especially in light of these types of videos...
Most of us are on a budget. We see videos telling us "Oh, a regular T.S pedal, mini Katana, Morning Glory, Aquapuss mk 2, etc will get us close enough..." so we buy those pedals... Then we start hearing about this and that version, special modded circuits etc... and we start doubting our choice of gear, because "It's just not the same".
Not that the gear really matters anyway. If you know your equipment and how it reacts, you can get a good approximation of John's tone...
Hell, John uses different gear all the time and still sounds like himself, so does it REALLY matter if we spend that extra few hundred bucks on "magical fairydust"?
What we percieve as "live tone" has room ambience, mics, reverb, compression, p.a speakers... it's probably nothing like what John is actually hearing in front of his amps...
I say this as a guy who has blown PLENTY of money trying to capture John's sound off and on over the years. Back in the day I used a Mayer strat into a Boss comp/sustainer set very low, a Keeley modded Blues Driver, and a TS7 Tone Lok Tube Screamer into a Fender Blues Deville 4x10.
Now days I use the same Mayer Strat into a Keeley mini katana, a Blammo Blues Blaster, a TS-808, an Aquapuss mk 2, a Caline "Blue Ocean" delay, into a late 70's Super Reverb...
Sounds good to me!
These days I'm as close as ever
A bit overhyped. Sure, they are nice, and I have an archer that I use, but not all the time. So many ways to get a great tone, and this is just one of them. I’ve been having more fun just trying to research what sounds and tones I like (for ME) and going for that…regardless of who plays what. That just ends up being a tail chase.
the question now is, jeff archer vs centura
I’d say that comes down to how much space one has on one’s board. Or how careful one wants to be about not accidentally nudging knobs with one’s foot.
I have Archers and a Centura. Happy to use either, but I can have 2 Archers in the same footprint of a Centura.
Would you say the tone is almost identical that i can choose based of aesthetics?
@@tiagogomes4114 I def would say so.
I personally prefer the Archer line. The Centura's gain isn't as smooth when it's higher up which is something I look for in a clone. The Ikon does it better imo, it's not as fat sounding though as the Centura. So just depends what you prefer as well. They are little differences but they are there.
@@JustinJeske I’m not sure if I’ve ever directly compared the Archer and Centura to each other. I’ve compared both to a Centaur. My takeaway was that they could both be made to sound like the Centaur with various knob tweaking, i.e., not just comparing them
with identical knob positions.
I do remember that the Centura seemed to do the same boost-to-gain at 9:00 thing that the Centaur does. Maybe it has that same “dual something-or-other” pot that the Centaur has. And perhaps the Archer is too small to have that. 🤷🏻♂️
Jeff Beck is actually my favorite Klon user.
That makes sense, he used a RAT a lot also. He works with ugly sounds and get magic out of them ;-) I have yet to hear a Klon type pedal I like, to "harsh", for lack of better word, to my ear.
Folks need to realize Klons sold for like 250$ new and lots of people got them for that to around 400$, like the KOT. I got both my kot for 220$ and had an opportunity to buy a klon in realtime for around 300 but passed up because I didnt like how it sounded. I think most pros will obviously go with sound/reliability over scarcity and expensive for sake of expensive. Plus the jeff beck mod archer already has another guitar goat seal of approval so theres that
I had the jeff mod archer for a while but really wasn’t impressed with it. For what it’s worth, I thought the Archer Ikon sounded more natural. Ended up buying a Centura and it can’t see myself parting with it any time soon. Gain is smoother than the Archers IMO. Archers (silver/ikon/jeff) may sound a little clearer, if one is looking for clean boost applications.
Octonaut hyperdrive is better
John who?