Never forget how Megan Fox stood up for Vanessa at the time, saying she should never have to apologise for someone stealing and selling her pictures and "I hate Disney for making her do that... fuck Disney".
@@Morri10 you fuckin rude hoe, i didn't watch Pirates whatever the name is, i didn't know the movies were from Disney, and i think they did the right thing by firing him, he's a misogynist
"Parents who rely way too heavily on television to find role models for their children were outraged" This is the best quote out of a whole lot of good reporting. Incredible job!
I was thinking the same thing. Whoever’s teaching their kids that ANYONE should be perfect needs to reevaluate. It’s just going to lead to your own kids feeling like they can never make mistakes either, just like Joe Jonas said from hearing the important people around him talking down on Vanessa. Plus in my opinion Vanessa didn’t even make a mistake, she felt safe enough to take those photos and sadly was taken advantage of by the way worse person in the situation.
The way Miley paused knowing she could lie and not stick up for her friend but chose to protect her friend instead was wonderful. Women supporting women
Yeah and then just think about that news anchor that said that he hopes “Christians stop supporting her” (Miley) when she posed for that vanity fair mag. Good riddance to the generation that weaponized religion.
I was a HUGE HSM fan as a kid, and I remember seeing the leaked pics, being like "ok" and just moving on. Nothing about Vanessa's image changed to me. I was around 8, 9 years old at the time.
I remember it, too. We were 12/13 at the time, huge HSM fans, and then boom. The photos were leaked. We remained HSM fans but she was ruthlessly slutshamed.
@@flowergirl-pl6mb facts the media thought we liked these kids star because of the fame and glamour but in reality we looked up to them becuase we related to they characters and felt like they lives was just like ours so we saw them as us huamns not no super model with fame and all this bs that was inthe media
I remember My mom was so mad about how they treated Miley. She kept saying... "When are they going to let stop blame little girls whose lives are ran by adults". I absolutely love her still.
My mom completely banned her from our house. I never grew up watching her movies or shows because of this. It makes me really happy your mom was so understanding 💗
The other thing that gets me is the fact that they accused her of taking the photos in recent time. I’m talking about the first time the photos got out. When in reality, they were too dumb to look into WHEN the photos were actually taken. And when someone actually did, it turned out to be when she was still a minor 😂 so it makes them judging her for it all the more fucked up. I mean you’re literally shaming a CHILD. I honestly think the reason they shamed her for it so harshly without taking into account the fact that not only was she a minor when the photos were taken, but they were also LEAKED, is because of the ignorance surrounding how the internet works back then. It was still very new in 2007 and was just starting to become mainstream. I don’t think people knew it was possible for images to be stolen and used for exploitation purposes. They thought she posted or sent them somewhere for everyone to look at it. Personally, I don’t think it was ever anyone’s business what she chose to do with her own body, ESPECIALLY when you take into consideration that she was a minor. The real issue here was always the fact that someone wanted to exploit her on purpose. And these idiots from the 2000s were way too blind and ignorant to see that.
The whole “girl you gotsa keep yo clothes on” thing was SO UNCALLED FOR considering the fact that she took those photos at home and was sending them to HER BOYFRIEND of at least a year 😭😭😭😭😭 people were wildin out over young girls back in the day oh my word
I WISH she got up on stage and explained that/stood up for herself but I know things aren’t that simple especially when you’re ‘under control’ of Disney etc :( it’s so sad.
I agree with you but then there is the issue of cp, i dont fully know the situation whether she was hacked or whether it was posted by the person who received it but i guess ppl are just saying to young girls to protect themselves firstly over anything else, which is fair
I think men who ask their girlfriends for nudes are pieces of shit. Not blaming her, just disgusted how porn sick men are; no man who respects woman would ask for his girlfriend for nudes... Also would advise women to never send them. No judgement against her, I felt horrible for her when that happened. Sending nudes and self objectifying is never without consequences.
The way these grown women reporters are talking about a teenager is disgusting🤢 not much has to be going on in your life to shame a child on television
@@Hazexs7564 if she said it wasn’t a mistake, she would’ve gotten in trouble with disney. she stood up for her as much as she could under her contract.
@@Hazexs7564 Either she was a young girl who still thought that a woman/girl posing naked for a photo meant for herself and/or for her partner is “worse” than any crime out there, or she was a young girl who was scared and just didn’t want to have complications with Disney… And for the first possibility, even though it’s wrong to think like that, unfortunately it’s normal for girls, even now in 2022, to feel shame when they expose even a bit of their bodies, and feeling the need to hide because they are told over and over again that women’s bodies are nothing but sexually appealing objects in the eyes of men. I’ll never blame women, especially those who were born in the early 2000s, for believing something that the majority of women were brainwashed to believe. It’s only later in life that you actually realise how dehumanising it is.
The adults were absolutely REFUSING to say someone leaked her photos. They spent so much time saying how she took the photo and now it's online. They loved to blame girls for their own victimization
@@MoyaBrennan6825 Drake Bell has been charged with criminal offences to minors for grooming and abuse :( so this doesn't shock me he would leak her photos.
@Coffeeaddictkitty Y.B I mean, as a good rule of thumb, I generally wouldn’t take nude photos, because this happens so often. But I agree. It’s disgusting
Boys and actual men were doing this all over the world at that time. I refused to send any pics of myself to anyone because I saw how abusive men behaved in that era. Even “church men” . It disgusts me to no end
It's disgusting how many fully grown adults in the media would rather rip an 18-year-old to shreds than protect the person and their privacy, and go after the hacker or person who's leaking that stuff. Disgusting.
The whole guy calling her out at the award show saying you gotta keep up clothes on was so uncomfortable and embarrassing. So gross of him to say that on stage how humiliating 🙁
He is such a creep in general. I've watched a show of him and it was just gross the way he spoke about women. Let's see the skeletons in his closet because I'm sure there are a few disgusting ones.
The fact that they all say “she did this to herself “ when these photos were maliciously leaked with mal intent couldn’t begin to comprehend in my mind. She was a NORMAL young woman, who’s photo gallery was clearly used against her in a ploy for the one who sold it to gain a monetary value. Love her poor heart..
I agree and it doesn’t help that Disney pushes this squeaky clean image on young people that are at the age that they are just exploring their sexuality, so when a leak like that does happen, it makes the young person look that much more guilty to the judging eyes of the public. Like omg oh no a DISNEY star dare to share a nude photo with her partner?! Disney stars have no sexuality they must be pure! Give me a break!
She did it to herself because if she never took the photos they never would have been released. Yes it's wrong for whoever hacked her and leaked them, and he should be charged, but reality is that if you don't take nude photos, nude photos will not be leaked.
The pressure put on young girls…it’s sickening, I remember me and my friends talking about a lot of these issues in school and not fully understanding it. The ‘she should have known better’ phrase was just thrown around so much…felt we had to learnt quick and fast cause no one was gonna guide us, just judge us. How were they meant to know better, they are kids, adults should know better! Miley didn’t print that picture, it was taken of her but she’s the one in the wrong, Venessa didn’t share those pictures they were stolen from her…but she’s wrong…what the heck were the media thinking…shame on them!
@@sabrinawilliams8717 so true! It’s really pathetic, they could make it ‘juicy’ by going after the real people involved, the photographer…the people that invaded their privacy but it’s just easy to blame a young girl, lazy ‘journalism’ pathetic! Girls have always been a target for centuries, it’s awful.
she should've known better than to send N*des to someone. however, the media was in the wrong by making her apologize for being violated. Drake should be the one apologizing.
Well, the “should have known better” also is part of the digital age. Some of this stems from the ability for stuff to spread so easily, it should make you more cautious. BUT, you are right, it is a HUGe invasion of privacy for Vanessa, and Miley’s weren’t that bad. Maybe not the best judgement call for the magazine to put it in their issue, due to the Disney ties, but it was an artsy picture
Miley and Billy standing there in that interview defending her fills my heart with hope and love. Billy Ray “She’s a human being” You don’t see that very often in life, especially within that scene
What’s wild to me is everyone treats her like she leaked her own photos and thus deserves the backlash. Makes no sense how dense people can be. Always felt sorry for her.
Adults in the early 2000s were so weird the way they spoke without any critical thinking or compassion I mean jeez these girls went through it that Miley shot was not that serious and imagine being expected to be perfect and a “role model” at 14-15 it’s so ridiculous we’ve all done things it’s called life and experience .
And then want to say that young people or Gen Z are sensitive and get offended over everything but its like.....y'all are ruthless and disrespectful and don't even seem to realize it
I was cringing expecting Miley and Billy Ray to say something horrible (as was the norm in the early 2000s). But their response was surprisingly mature.
i thought the same thing!! i could feel myself like physically tensing up and bracing myself and it wasn’t even like a conscious thing and i was just waiting for them to say something that would make me cringe/uncomfortable but i was pleasantly surprised. good on him for teaching her that and for raising her in a way that allowed her to have such a mature outlook at such a young age.
Miley has always been mature and many interviews with BR in the past have shown he’s all about lifting people up. I wasn’t surprised but I was still pleased. I love that he wanted to block the question entirely because I’m sure as a dad of a teen girl, he wouldn’t love some guy his age commenting on his daughter in a similar position. If anything, Miley ran great interference with that question.
Adults obsessed with naked teens (adult or no, 18 is a teen) is such a gross and weird part of the past. I remember when all these things happened and its wild WILD to look back on it now. She was a KID.
Omg I turned 13 in 2006, and so I was only 4 years younger than Vanessa. We all basically grew up together. I remember being devastated by how fixated the media was on the exploitation of young children, specifically girls. I was a victim of SA at 15 and I remember how much I was blamed for the actions of a 19 year old. There was very little - if any - support for us and it's so unfortunate that these victims are forced to apologize for the actions of their oppressors. It's abysmal.
@@meralEdwtDawlatlyI would say 21 is the cutoff point as a teenager however I don’t disagree with you that they aren’t completely mature either. Regardless, they are young adults which should have a better sense of judgement despite still requiring guidance from time to time
NOOOO that interview with Ashley Tisdale!! I felt how uncomfortable she was. And the fact that he said "be comfortable" 🤮 god this reminded me of those times. It was incredibly toxic and it was SO NORMALIZED. What happened to Vanessa is disgusting! It happened to so many girls back in the day. Reflecting on the norms/standards of the late 00s and early 10s presented in this video, makes me understand why so many girls who grew up in those times went through some really horrible things, and at the hands of teenage boys who felt entitled to violate us.
I was gonna comment on that. It angers me how he's statement is like subtly encouraging Ashley to laugh at Vanessa when really she's just uncomfortable. There is nothing comfortable about it - about the question and about what happened to Vanessa. Being her co -star, she probably felt like she might become the next victim of something and probably is very much afraid. Smh.
Late 00's and early 10's...? Girl, it was happening to us in the late 90's, early 00's too, and it's STILL happening now. They can't be as blatant about it in the media these days, but in real life girls STILL have to watch their own backs just as much as they always have. For every five guys you meet, at least one of them sees you as an object put on this earth to take care of a man's needs. We STILL have to be teaching our daughters the tips for staying safe, and reminding them to be vigilant and to listen to their instincts when they're feeling uncomfortable. If anything, people feel more entitled now than ever before!
Ashley being completely uncomfortable and being told “be comfortable” was so chilling. Everyone treated her so awfully. She was barely an adult! And a lot of those photos were just her trying to be cute and weren’t racy at all. And comments saying she needed this scandal because she was squeaky clean? People are disgusting. This wasn’t even that long ago, but it feels like public perception to these types of things has changed a lot.
People own Vanessa a huge apology. It was a nightmare being her fan during that time, not because we were listening absurd things about her everywhere, but we saw how much she was suffering. I remember checking forums and websites every week and there she was going to therapy again. Secutiry guards, never alone, no smiles, no usual happy dances... Nothing. She was a puppy. It was consuming her and we were just watching it. And all this while WE were also growing up, it was a mess and they handle it very poorly.
You don't owe her a apology. You did nothing wrong. You didn't tell them to do that. Like you said you were a kid yourself. What yall gonna do? If anyone should apologize it should be her parents.
@@NatlovesJesus1 I said "people", not ME. Also, her parents don't have to apologize too. The corporation is the one who owns her an apology and every single person who laughed, shared the pictures and made inappropriate comments about a TEENAGER.
@@asverith you do realize we are talking about two COMPLETELY different things, right? One is a bloody /CRIME/ and the other is a stupid/dumb comment while drunk on Instagram live. And not only that, but there's at least a DECADE separating these two situations. She was a tennager, this is serious.
I would say that ppl owe her an apology, ppl know what price fame usually comes with, it isnt a good price but it's a price, that's just how it is, one thing i will say is if she was a child actor her parents shouldve put more thought into throwing their child into a career like this
It's disgusting how messed up early 2000s media was to these young stars, especially young women. The Dane Cook situation is infuriating and it enraged me when the woman was laughing saying "that was amazing. Finally, someone telling her what clothes are for..." Like wtf???
@@jclyntoledo oo I thought she said clothes too. Either way literally no one uses phones for only phone calls 😂 I know this was a few years ago but I just know that all of the men who were calling her out are the exact same men who were BEGGING women to send them nudes.
22:31 that's so disgusting. The fact that Vanessa even had the strength to stay in that room. I couldn't have imagined how she felt. I would have been sick and left. He's truly disgusting for saying that.
If I were Vanessa I would've actually have the courage to go up to the stage and in front of everyone tell that my photos have been stolen and that i do whatever I want with MY phone.
I remember back in high school when my classmates were having this discussion and they were all applauding him got calling her out like that. It was very disturbing and unsettling for me to hear
I don’t remember how I reacted to these “scandals” when they happened, but looking back at the media’s coverage of the each situation is embarrassing and gross beyond words.
Yeah, the media back in the early 2000's was relentless and disgusting. I think Vanessa handled this with a maturity beyond her years. It's really so sad that ADULTS were shaming young teen idols around this time. It's just horrible.
I guess that's because we were young to understand the real issue and actually how serious the situation. I only remember Miley because i was (still) fan of her and i remember thinking ''uh ok. why people so bad to her''. Because you don't see those pics (for example Miley) as sexual. When you're younger all you can say is ''they're bad and rude to her even it's not her fault. it's her private''. 'Cause of the image of Disney people find the way to attack teeanger and even parents don't see or tell their kids the truth they're not their tv characters. Looking back right now it's just crazy how the main social media was smaller and people saw and write everything.
"that's her own fault" "she brought this to herself" bruh did they not understand the word "leaked"?? someone hijacked her by posting the photos online.. she's clearly the victim :(
It was widely speculated that she "leaked" them because it happened every time she had a movie coming out for a couple years. That's where that type of response was coming from.
@@fedem14 but they did, and this wouldnt happen if she didnt take the photos in the first place. i agree what happened to her was bad, but she played a part in this as well, she should take responsibility for her wrongdoing instead of just blaming it all to the publishers.
Every time a reporter comments on any of these scandals, it makes my blood boil. ESPECIALLY the grown women shaming these young girls for being exploited. Shame on them.
Dane Cook calling out Vanessa on TV and saying “gurl keep yo clothes on” was so unnecessary, super insensitive and people were laughing... disgusting. It’s not funny. You can see how uncomfortable and pissed Vanessa was. 😞😢 so many ppl are quick to judge Vanessa because of the photo scandal when it wasn’t even HER FAULT. What if this happened to you?
@@yoshi_yeehaw yeah, wonder if she would hand over her phone and let us post anything incriminating on her like any photos we feel like... I'm sure she would have a VERY different opinion when it's her.
the fact that one woman agreed that "she should keep her clothes on" is weird to me. they were sent with trust in mind. she wasnt aware theyd be posted anywhere. rather than blaming vanessa, why couldnt she hold accountable the person who leaked them?
whats also fucked is that you can still very easily find these photos with a short google search. as much as you can sue and press charges, itll never stop another website from publishing the same thing no matter the impact it caused the first time.
I was so shocked to see that clip because I watched her and other reporters on The Young Turks (when I was a teenager) discuss the harm of cultural appropriation, body-shaming and sexism.
That's because a lot of them believed she leaked them herself, based on their wording when they're talking about it lmao. Which is even worse because it was basic knowledge that she didn't.
The whole nude photo thing is so disgusting how these adults treated her. And they were judging her for UNDERAGED photos!? Those people should be ashamed of themselves
@@devinandrews7220 They probably wouldn’t give a single sh!t… These people would care more about their own reputation, rather than their own child mental health.
2004-2008 was an awful time to be a woman in hollywood. Like not only was it non consensual.....it was CHILD PORN if she was underage. People are so disgusting
"Porn" is something very specific: the depiction of fornication. This is more than the mere depiction of female beauty or scenes featuring love and romance. Let' s stop playing fast and loose with vocabulary.
@@mangos2888in 2004 she was 16 in 2008 she was 20 so it happen in 2007 the photos leaking but if they happened in 2004 or 05 she would have been a minor but since it happened in 2007 she was 19 so while yes she was still a teenager you don’t turn adult till you hit 25 for women for men it’s 18. Women full adulthood is age 25. So she was a young lady not a woman yet. Look on google that what I did. The leak photos that happened were said to have been from when she was 17 so at that age she was a minor.
In 2007 I was 14 and my bf was 17. He sent a p*rn video of us to everyone In the school and they sent it to everyone in theirs. It ruined my life at the time and this was the culture back then. Blame the girl, call her a ho3. Even when it was taken or distributed without permission. I’m glad we as a society have gotten better. I related so much to Vanessa at the time and still feel for her to this day.
Miss ma’am I’m sorry but your parents were so irresponsible for letting you sleep around at 14..you literally just hit puberty whilst ur bf was going into his adolescence age…girrrlll not judging but I think your family/ society failed you
The fact that they didnt think for a second that the nude photo could’ve been taken when she was underage is just ridiculous. And everyone who reported on this story needs to pay Vanessa for the damages they caused her
Exactly!!! That’s what I was thinking. She was 18 when the photos got leaked and the first thing I thought of was “well I really hope these people are spreading child porn”
What happened with Miley is disgusting! Like SHE’S COVERED!!! And also them attacking her dad for the photo of them was heartbreaking because people always turn something into something it clearly isn’t.
Yeah I was a kid when that happened, and I remember being super confused why their closeness as father and daughter was being interpreted as “creepy” and whatnot.. I mean the pictures are kinda awkward looking but people made it seem like they were practically being intimate! So weird.
It’s was I didn’t like hows she was trying to used …the black community to be on ,her side once her Ex came back now husband…she decided to dropped us so quick .
Yes but especially if you're Disney's latest in the line of actresses who the house of mouse excepts to remain a teenager or tween the rest of their lives. It's BS. And then there are viewers who also except the same & all judgment them harshly when they don't stay in the box they started out with.
As someone who was part of the demographic these parents were oh, so worried about being poorly influenced by these "scandals", I can confirm that the only thing I learned was that being a victim of sexual assault would somehow always be my own fault in the eyes of the public. Some lesson.
I'll never understand why other women will throw young girls under the bus. I don't know if it's pressure from male co-workers, or jealousy or what. But that shit needs to stop. My heart goes out to teen Vanessa, this must of been so hard to go through.
@@joelle4226 it obviously stems from a misogynistic/patriarchal society we're all forced to live in, it's only relatively gotten somewhat better but they made it where tearing other women down was the only to come up, men are also tearing her down but we only judge women for doing it believing it is worse for women to do it not realizing that's also a symptom of misogyny.
It is so disgusting seeing how the media treated her. She was freshly 18! I was around 9 when those photos first leaked and then I was around 10 when HSM3 came out, but I do recall bits and pieces of that time period. As a kid, I viewed her being much older than 18. It's insane to now realize and see that the media was being so nasty to a damn teen! I remember thinking back then that she didn't do anything wrong and why the hell were people mad at HER for these PRIVATE photos?? I guess that just really shows you how Hollywood was back in 2008. It's so sad. It's so weird to view this time period as an adult now. I'm almost 24 and I just cannot believe society really treated her so poorly. I have never seen that interview where Miley speaks about the situation. It's really nice to hear her being so supportive. Especially knowing how the media treated her growing out of being a Disney teen as well. This time period was so disappointing. The fact that society laughed and villainized this poor girl, even though she was a victim.... SO devastating. I am so happy you guys did a deep dive on this situation with Vanessa. Being a kid then, I never knew how ugly the media was towards her. I loved her growing up and that situation didn't change my mind on her. She was a huge role model for me growing up and I still admire her, especially seeing her get out of the Disney machine. She was so incredibly brave. I hope she continues to do well in life.
we're around the same age (less than 2 yrs older than you) and i was around that age also when hsm 3 came out and how those things happened, i'm glad she had great friends in the cast and was able to have get through that.
What’s worse is I’m starting to think that those nude photos were not even real. And that the person who leaked them photoshopped Vanessa’s head in it to ruin her reputation.
oh drake has some really ugly skeletons in his closet too so i feel bad for her and have seen a few of her movies even if they're lower budget and a little cringey. she was talented and treated so horribly for something that wasn't her fault
I see a lot of jealousy from every single female who reported this. None of these women supported her and so many are guilty of the same thing. Disgusting how rapid they were to expose her.
With all due, it was their job to hype to hype up the story. The media had a weird fascination with almost 18 girls and that tells me it's probably a male dominated area? I'm not saying it was right but they needed ratings...
As much as we feel horrible about her for the sexploitation (that’s what I would call it), does anyone remember the time when she made that controversial Coronavirus comment in early 2020?
@@kieranstark7213 yes. One person can suffer from something and be a victim, and at the same time can be a dick sometimes and make mistakes. One thing doesn’t just eliminate the other. Two concepts that can coexist.
Idk why but I have a feeling that Vanessa’s nude photos were not even real. I feel like they were photoshopped so some shady creep can make Vanessa look bad. It’s sad and cringy to think of it that way but I’m starting to believe it.
wow GO MILEY i’m so glad she spoke up about it even years later because she was 15!! She was a child and for people around her to tell her she did wrong and she should feel ashamed is outrageous. Proud of her and ashamed of every adult that looked at her in any other way other than a child.
We should all be ashamed as a society for how we treated during this time. I love how so many people said there was no longer a need for feminism or activism during this time. All of this victim blaming and slut shaming literally makes me sick. I forget how bad it sucked being a teenage girl during this time period. It’s still harder but at least people aren’t usually this brazen with their sexism now and we’re a little bit better educated.
@@StressedDepressednOverdressed I agree and also disagree to a point, because i do think adults sexualizing teens nowadays in media is a bit more called out. Not enough, but more than it was then I think. Maybe im wrong, because im not a teenager anymore and dont engage with all the same content i did back then, so maybe im just not seeing it.
@@StressedDepressednOverdressed a lot has changed. Just because victim blaming hasn't magically disappeared, that doesn't mean that it's as mainstream and as acceptable as it was back then. Also, at least revenge porn is now illegal. It wasn't back then. Just because we don't have a magic wand to make patriarchy disappear, it doesn't mean all the fights protesters, feminist academics and allies gave were for nothing. We fought a lot for the few changes to come, we fought a lot for revenge porn to be considered a crime. By not recognizing the change, you basically minimize the fight and effort women gave for change. Which doesn't mean everything is perfect or that we don't need to fight for more rights.
@@Jkjoannaki well when we can’t even define what a woman is these days, yeah all the fighting, protests and hard work for womens rights was for nothing. When a biological male is allowed to trample biological women in sport and society lifts them up as if they’re a hero and it’s so “brave” to steal women’s spots and medals, yeah, it absolutely was a waste. Don’t be fooled, women are still getting the short of the stick.
So messed up, these poor girls. If you ever find yourself cringing from an embarrassing highschool moment, imagine everybody all over the world talking about you. Everything is magnified when you're famous
'Leaked photos of herself' is heartbreaking to hear. Poor Vanessa. It was nice to see Miley & Billy-Ray defending her. I can understand why her Dad would have preferred to say he knew nothing about it & move on to the next topic, but I'm actually glad Miley said what she did & I'm glad Billy had her back with it too.. it's disappointing to see so many adults berating her, bullying her & making her life hell when she was a child. Even if she had done it at eighteen, that's still pretty much a baby in my opinion. Regardless, underage or not it's a disgusting thing to do to anybody & someone should have been held accountable for it.
@@soultaex8080 I think they said that because well during that time Disney had them on the same stupid ass rules so they had to like tiptoe what they were saying, but also still wanted to defend her at the same time
I remember this scandal like it was yesterday. I was 15 years old. Looking back at this story now as an adult, I couldn’t imagine the trauma she went through at such a young age.
Fo real it pissed me off. It sucks Vanessa was under Disney contract and control because with out a doubt i bet she would dissed all of their ass and stand up for herself
@22:04 Dane Cook was absolutely GROSS and way out of line to publicly humiliate Vanessa on stage like that. An adult male saying something so crass to embarrass a young woman on national tv for something that wasn’t her fault is shameful. I’m completely creeped out and disgusted by his actions. Crazy how wildly and openly inappropriate young stars were treated back then (though I am aware starlets of all eras experienced this as well). 😒
It's weird to look back on that and think about all these "adults" talking about pictures of a child and are almost giddy about it. What's even weirder is that you know all the reporters saw the pictures themselves. I would feel like such a gross human being feeling good about a picture of a kid and her downfall.
It really is terrible. Made worse that grown adults pushed her further into the storm laughing all the while and enthusiastically talking on the matter.
as someone who has been revenge p*rn-ed before i can understand the pain and the loneliness that Vanessa's feel back then. i can understand the feeling when people blame me cause my video was everywhere on twitter while I'm not the one who leak it on the internet. and the most disgusting thing is people just don't care what i feel. they even said that I'm a drama queen, I'm playing victim, and even many people said that i deserved that. and no one even there for me or even wanted to help me. glad that was over now.
It's weird how women basically get shamed for having a body. Like what exactly is she apologizing for? Having breasts, a vagina? It makes no sense to me. Also we'd all be pissed if someone leaked information from our phones. But when it comes to celebrities, we're just like "oh well, it's your own fault" like what
You should never take photos of yourself naked no matter if you send them or not. Anything you have on your phone will get found and detected mostly on iPhone era like today. Yet, technology was changing so I doubt we were aware of the advancements of technology and the contract. Yet it is a problem if hacked by whoever but this is just another feminist issue that will never be solved so women always need to be more careful and cautious
@@Im_Julissa you should take whatever pictures you want and we should acknowledge that when they get leaked the fault is on the person who leaked them.
It's "wrong" because she was underage. I think a lot of people are confused about how the law works but legally speaking she could have gotten into a lot of trouble if she wasn't famous. Even though they were pictures she took of herself, she was still guilty of distributing child p0rn0graphy because she herself was legally a child at the time. If the person is underage then it is illegal to take and distribute whether they consent to it being taken or not. I think sending nudes has become so common that people don't think much of it but it's techniquely illegal to do if you're a minor doing it. In my own opinion, I just think it's a foolish thing to do period even as an adult. Anyone can see that and revenge p0rn is a very real thing. Actions have consequences.
@Julissa, honestly, I kind of agree. It’s showing respect to your body to not take nudes. With the way technology is changing and so insecure, pretty much anything on my phone can be leaked. However, ultimately it is the fault of the hacker who leaked the photos.
It’s heartbreaking that other young women were laughing and shaming her.And incredibly DISGUSTING that grown adults were so obsessed with if/when more photos were true.And the fact that people said that SHE leaked them is awful
I can’t imagine the trauma those child actresses now have to live with as adults, being tormented and blamed for being exposed/violated in that way at such a young age. That would stick with you for life.
The most disturbing part about this is, the women who were determined to bring Vanessa down were the same women who screamed and hollered they were abused by Hollywood men.
Wether it’s “cancel culture “ , “being to sensitive” or whatever else people like to say the younger generation is… I’m proud that we have moved further in society away from adults talking About literal children like this. You could never get away with something like this today and I’m glad
There were some adults who were rightfully saying in these clips: "The parents and adults should not have posed her naked on a bed in a suggestive manner at fifteen" (about Miley). They were looking out for the child and judging the adults, rightfully so.
But, Vanessa didn't leaked it. Why make her the villain? Jesus, the media is Harsh harsh. I wish Vanessa had healed from this traumatic experience and wish her thriving
Looking back, she really had to have a spine of steel to weather that level of scrutiny and ridicule so gracefully. Especially with the image Disney had curated for her at such a young age. :(
The way she was only 18 years old... Poor baby she had to apologize for something that wasn't even her fault. The reporters who were talking about it are insanely disgusting, shame on them. I hope they look back with regret, esp after knowing she was 15 YEARS OLD in that photo.
Mileys parents always made sure she understood kindness, and controversy. Her father taught her that people make bad decisions sometimes but that doesn't mean who you are changes. Even thru her "crazy stage" her parents always stood up for her. Thank god she has a great support system unlike britney because black box was her and britneys security. They tried to get her parents to do to her what was done to Britney Spears but luckily they weren't falling for that crap!
people blamed vanessa because they can’t bear to see a woman take autonomy of her own body and sexuality, which is exactly what those pictures were, an expression of sexuality, a private moment. people only appreciate a woman’s sexuality when it is non-consensual. when it is consensual, they find a way to demonise her.
Wrong. They were upset because it's a consensual distribution of child p0rn. It doesn't matter that it was of herself, she was still underage when she did it in the eyes of the law. She's luckily she didn't get into legal trouble, I know kids from highschool who got caught for sending pics and when the law got involved they had to register as sex offenders for harboring and distributing compromising media of minors. So, it's not harmless at all
@@xakashinax7182 no you're wrong, literally NO ONE in the media even mentioned it being CP. Vanessa was the victim and it was because she was a girl/woman that they wanted to make her a pariah. How do you even get the message that it was because it was CP when literally everyone demonized her and try to shame her, no one cared that she was underaged. That's one of the worst parts
This is absolutely atrocious. To trust someone with such a vulnerable photo of yourself when you're a literal CHILD and the thought of it being leaked isn't even a thought that crosses your mind. The fact that everyone was blaming her is disgusting.
The early 2000s and 2010s we're absolutely toxic for female celebrities. People like Britney Spears, Miley, Amy Winehouse... I mean the bullying and harassment from the media, the paparazzi, and everything was so overwhelming!!! I can't even imagine what these ladies went though back then.
Watching this in 2022 and about the same age as Miley, I remember just feeling so scared of ever showing my body. To hear that grown adult call her “scum” because a part of her back was showing? Just absolutely disgusting how much self-shame was pushed on to young women.
@@missmadness387 because society has always looked at the female body as pornographic well Men see it that way. Just look throughout history especially religion and it's probably the number one reason societies all over the world see female bodies in a sexualizing manner. Even in normal situations such as wearing a skirt or showing your back or shoulders, midriff etc: it's truly disgusting.
Still is, sadly. My middle school was strict as heck with the dress code for dress codes and so were my elementary schools. I’m starting high school this year, and luckily it’s a lot more chill. I’ve seen more girls wearing tank tops and crop tops this year!
I can't imagine how horrible and isolated she must have felt to have the entire media against her and shaming her for something she had no control over, and it was disgusting how much people at the time reveled in her misfortune! It's honestly disgusting, I feel so bad for the way she was treated, and the way everyone made it feel like it was HER fault for taking photos PRIVATELY
People who looked up to these girls as role models have a weird definition of, entertainment. ...the fact they put so much pressure on these young girls to be perfect is insane.
Yeah a lot of the hate was from adult women angry that a kid wasn't being a perfect role model for their kid. Like that's YOUR job as a mother to be a role model for your kids. It's messed how that's STILL going on today. Parents angry their kids "role models" aren't being the parents definition of a good person. It's just dumb. How can any parent think it's anyone else's job to change their behavior and life around being a role model for some randos kids they don't even know. It's ridiculous
The entire situation of her photos being leaked made me sick to my stomach. The fact that everyone was blaming her and 40 year olds are gossiping about an 18 year old is absolutely disgusting. They made it her entire identity. She deserves a major apology
I feel like Vanessa’s nude photos were fake and were photoshopped by some creep to shame her and ruin her reputation. It’s just sad and cringe to thing that, but knowing how toxic Hollywood can be against teenage girls, it’s not that surprising. Think about it, she was freaked out she the photos were leaked without permission.
I can't believe people actually blamed her or "well that's what she deserves" or "she should have known better". When you take a nude pic, it is for yourself or someone else. She did not chose to leak it, it wasn't her fault. It boils my blood. I would have though females would be more empathetic but that hosts was legit like "Someone finally told her, she deserves it" like wtf people.
As a grown woman I can say that as a teen I did a lot of stuff that I “should have known better” than to do. But that doesn’t mean that I necessarily had the maturity level to not do it. Ya know. I just thank my lucky stars we didn’t have cellphones back when I was that age. I had never heard of this story perhaps because my kids were too young (or a combo of too young and too old) and were boys that didn’t ever watch that musical but I feel very badly for this gal watching this. I agree with you that all the comments people said to and about her are just really ignorant. Unfortunately women can be the harshest of other women/girls.
I really like that you didn’t do this to shame her or the other girls. You made it to shame the adults who are maliciously speaking about these young ladies at the time. I’m so glad there are laws now to protect them. This is unacceptable for the media and adults to be so mean to young ladies. Thank you for this.
It’s CRAZY how everyone cared she was naked but not how those photos could literally be CP!!!! You’re most likely, highly possible, part of a crime and everyone is more worried about what she shaved/didn’t shave, “proof” of how hot or not she was, and who she was sending it to. I felt so bad for Vanessa, and what’s worse? It was such common thinking. No one cared how it happened, who leaked what, who it was intended for, the issue is it existed and it happened. I think everyone knew with how the Pam incident went down years before, none of these females would be respected or cared for. I remember going to a back yard pool party for a neighbor and the birthday girl was turning 14, so puberty is starting to hit which means things are starting to swell, and one of the boys who was invited successfully untied the birthday girl’s bikini top. She was the one who got punished, not the boy who forced her clothes off. Even to this day with this whole feminism, woke, sexual liberation, etc, it still makes me weary or second guess what to wear. Edit: On top of that, if you had Vanessa Merch, like a HSM bag with her face on it while these “scandals” were happening, you would also be bullied. At least in my area, the fact I was 14-15 myself, I was also surrounded with kids my age with the mentality of not even knowing what a period was, and the time this was happening, you would get bullied relentlessly. And kids are mean when they want to be- the bullying got so bad in our area, specifically in schools, that absolutely NO HSM MERCH (whether it had Vanessa’s face or not) was allowed because too many girls were getting attacked, targeted, having items stolen or thrown at them, trying to have their clothes forcefully lifted to expose something or take an article of clothing completely off with no consent just to mimic Vanessa’s photos because clearly if you liked HSM you supported that behavior. Again, this is at least from my personal experience and witnessing what was happening in my environment. I hope it wasn’t this bad everywhere. I’m glad we’re progressing and showing sympathy nowadays. At least in Vanessa’s case she easily could have been a victim of CP, which again cannot be understated enough that CP is a vile crime, and instead of helping her, people mocked her for it and tried getting more.
@@ayelmqo yeah publicly I never went out in my HSM stuff. I would only use that when I’m home or around my family like I would use the HSM tote I had for sleepovers at my cousins. Even when I would walk out of the car just to walk in their house which isn’t even a minute, I would flip the bag around so you couldn’t see the HSM side- only the blank plain black side would show. I was honestly scared to let anyone in public see me with HSM.
46:5747:15 The daughter just parroting the phrase “little tramp” from her mother shows that that MOTHER needs to be a better role model for HER daughter. Women shouldn’t judge other women so damn harshly
Yeah I know this is an old comment but you're right. A lot of the hate was adult women hating on kids for not being a good enough role model for their kid! Parents are still doing that today. It's ridiculous. If a kid has great parents who are role models for them it doesn't matter what any celebrity or influencer does or doesn't do. It's not going to affect them because they have their parents as the main role model. Those parents need to focus on being better themselves
I have so much empathy for her. To go through this at beginning of the whole “nude” phenomenon, not only as a famous person but as a Disney star with millions of children fans. I could not have imagined going through that.
i remember it was wild, how people laughed at Britney Spears when she gone "crazy" when she literally had mental breakdown, people were cruel. Miley natural photoshoot was so talked over.
It's crazy how anti sexuality or even just nudity people can be. I wish people wouldn't be scandalized or excited by such things. Wish people could just be like it's not meant for me, no interest, it's not a big deal, and ignore it. I'm glad things are changing for the better still
For adults, I completely agree, but children are already oversexualized and they need to be shown that these things aren't appropriate for their age. Part of that is controlling who their role models are, and when their role models slip up explaining it to them and making sure they understand what they did wrong.
This has a lot to do with the overt Christianity of this country and the way in which it has demonized women and fem -presenting people in every way. I'm native descent and when we were forced to convert to Christianity, one of the many harmful things that Christianity pushes is "purity culture", mostly aimed at young women and fem -presenting people. It's sad and disgusting, to be honest...
Idk how I feel abt teaching a kid to think that their role model made a mistake if their images were leaked without consent. Kids can be taught why certain things are only legal for adults to do. I don’t really get why it’s not age appropriate to tell them that something isn’t age appropriate for them. You could explain that some adults choose to send these photos but if you do it under 18 it is a crime. This seems like a great time to talk about boundaries and privacy, and explain exactly why the person who shared their role model’s private photos did something not only illegal but harmful. I don’t think this is in contrast with the need to protect children from sexual imagery or vulgarity, but it does leave less for a kid to try and figure out on their own.
And it’s specifically towards girls. You can only be the Madonna/whore complex and you’re seen as good (by men/patriarchy) if you’re not in charge of your sexuality and somehow men and other women can take or name you bad
I don't think that's a good idea from a child protection/exploitation point of view. There is also way more pressure on teenage girls to appear sexualized, so it's hard to know how much is purely what they genuinly want to do. Also children pushed to do things they don't fully understand, for the benifit of adults. The live & let live attitude is a nice thought but it's more nuanced than that & negligence breeds abuse.
I have new respect for Miley after seeing that clip. I truly can't imagine how lonely you would feel as a teen having the entire world demonizing and laughing at you for something out of your control. You're already so self conscious at that age. Miley's words to the press must have meant so much to Vanessa when she heard them.
I would like to see those “adults” shaming and bullying these teen girls for profit; to publicly come out and apologize for bullying and traumatizing these girls! There needs to be accountability for the pain these instigators have caused. It almost feels illegal the way they bullied these girls. Also SHAME on Dane Cook!
Never forget how Megan Fox stood up for Vanessa at the time, saying she should never have to apologise for someone stealing and selling her pictures and "I hate Disney for making her do that... fuck Disney".
Them always quick to throw people under the bus and not standing up for them. Look how they did Johnny Depp and now has to be facing thier own shame
@@Morri10 what does Johnny Depp have to do with this
@@andreinapereira552 they fired him from Pirates of the Caribbean.. that’s how.
@@Morri10 you fuckin rude hoe, i didn't watch Pirates whatever the name is, i didn't know the movies were from Disney, and i think they did the right thing by firing him, he's a misogynist
@@Samm.A Thank you my dear
"Parents who rely way too heavily on television to find role models for their children were outraged"
This is the best quote out of a whole lot of good reporting. Incredible job!
Then why'd you quote it wrong? 🥲
@@loli_cvnt5622 probably because I misheard it 🤣
@@justhearmeout3959 exactly
I was thinking the same thing. Whoever’s teaching their kids that ANYONE should be perfect needs to reevaluate. It’s just going to lead to your own kids feeling like they can never make mistakes either, just like Joe Jonas said from hearing the important people around him talking down on Vanessa. Plus in my opinion Vanessa didn’t even make a mistake, she felt safe enough to take those photos and sadly was taken advantage of by the way worse person in the situation.
Bruh, the shade was REAL when she said that! I was like, "Get 'em!" 😂
The way Miley paused knowing she could lie and not stick up for her friend but chose to protect her friend instead was wonderful. Women supporting women
She experienced the same thing
@@MoyaBrennan6825 yeah tho not at this time few years later
@@kait7404 I think she modeled nude around 2005. Got some shit for it too, if I remember correctly, so that’s what i’ve referred to.
I agree, I have so much respect for Miley for that. She's a real one
Yeah and then just think about that news anchor that said that he hopes “Christians stop supporting her” (Miley) when she posed for that vanity fair mag.
Good riddance to the generation that weaponized religion.
I was a HUGE HSM fan as a kid, and I remember seeing the leaked pics, being like "ok" and just moving on. Nothing about Vanessa's image changed to me. I was around 8, 9 years old at the time.
Same here. Had no effect whatsoever and I loved her still
Literally.
I remember it, too. We were 12/13 at the time, huge HSM fans, and then boom. The photos were leaked. We remained HSM fans but she was ruthlessly slutshamed.
That's because you saw her as a human being and not some fantasized perfect star like the other people that was sl*t shaming her.
@@flowergirl-pl6mb facts the media thought we liked these kids star because of the fame and glamour but in reality we looked up to them becuase we related to they characters and felt like they lives was just like ours so we saw them as us huamns not no super model with fame and all this bs that was inthe media
Tisdales "I'm not laughing, i'm uncomfortable." was so sad, that was her friend and he was trying to get her to mock her.
Mikey zac and her were all on king and queen level when the vulture media came pecking
And the interviewers response to it flawed me
the following "oh no, be comfortable" made me cringe so hard I almost crawled back into my mums womb damn
The male reporter asking “so are there more photos coming?” DISGUSTING.
This guy was being a total perv.
straight to jail.
“You’ll have to wait and see!”
@@ImPresidentCharlie JAIL
That person's seems like a pedophile.
I remember My mom was so mad about how they treated Miley. She kept saying... "When are they going to let stop blame little girls whose lives are ran by adults". I absolutely love her still.
Your mom sounds amazing. She definitely has the right idea when a lot of people were doing the opposite.
My mom completely banned her from our house. I never grew up watching her movies or shows because of this. It makes me really happy your mom was so understanding 💗
Can you tell your mom I love her
That’s good u still love ur mom.
My Mom was the same. Every time they put Miley's scandal on the news she was like "These motherfuckers need to leave that baby alone!"
"Actually I shouldn't be ashamed, they should be." Perfect quote!!!
How did all of these adults think it was okay to bully a teenager. Disgusting
This! 👍
The mom and daughter at 47:10 were appaling, Even the 15 year old daughter called her a tramp.
The other thing that gets me is the fact that they accused her of taking the photos in recent time. I’m talking about the first time the photos got out. When in reality, they were too dumb to look into WHEN the photos were actually taken. And when someone actually did, it turned out to be when she was still a minor 😂 so it makes them judging her for it all the more fucked up. I mean you’re literally shaming a CHILD. I honestly think the reason they shamed her for it so harshly without taking into account the fact that not only was she a minor when the photos were taken, but they were also LEAKED, is because of the ignorance surrounding how the internet works back then. It was still very new in 2007 and was just starting to become mainstream. I don’t think people knew it was possible for images to be stolen and used for exploitation purposes. They thought she posted or sent them somewhere for everyone to look at it. Personally, I don’t think it was ever anyone’s business what she chose to do with her own body, ESPECIALLY when you take into consideration that she was a minor. The real issue here was always the fact that someone wanted to exploit her on purpose. And these idiots from the 2000s were way too blind and ignorant to see that.
Because in the late 90's/2000's young women were fair game in a way they hadn't been before. 😞
because they weren't seen as humans.
The fact that young Miley and Zac were way more mature than the grown-ass adult media reporters around them is seriously disgusting.
Vultures ugh
Ikr, those kind of adults have no common sense
Miley has always been a real one 😍
They just wanted their clicks and money.
Agreed, made me so annoyed, how rude, crossing the line smh 🤦🏻♂️
The whole “girl you gotsa keep yo clothes on” thing was SO UNCALLED FOR considering the fact that she took those photos at home and was sending them to HER BOYFRIEND of at least a year 😭😭😭😭😭 people were wildin out over young girls back in the day oh my word
I WISH she got up on stage and explained that/stood up for herself but I know things aren’t that simple especially when you’re ‘under control’ of Disney etc :( it’s so sad.
I agree with you but then there is the issue of cp, i dont fully know the situation whether she was hacked or whether it was posted by the person who received it but i guess ppl are just saying to young girls to protect themselves firstly over anything else, which is fair
Yes, I fully agree. It was gross of him to say that and on stage. Mind your own business
Plus the blaccent was so disgusting
I think men who ask their girlfriends for nudes are pieces of shit. Not blaming her, just disgusted how porn sick men are; no man who respects woman would ask for his girlfriend for nudes... Also would advise women to never send them. No judgement against her, I felt horrible for her when that happened. Sending nudes and self objectifying is never without consequences.
Ashley tisdale saying she was uncomfortable and the interviewer saying "Be comfortable" is the epitome of early 2000s nasty attitude to women
Literallyyyyy I was livid hearing that, these men are no thoughts, head empty, audacity up to 1000%
Girl what do you expect, up asking men to compare bulge photos, they even had Nick Jonas doing it
to GIRLS. young girls. This whole story is disgusting. And how MUCH entertainment 'media' was talking about it 🤮
The way these grown women reporters are talking about a teenager is disgusting🤢 not much has to be going on in your life to shame a child on television
I'm disgusted those people were called "journalists".
exactly thats what got me! bc we already know men are sick but the women saying she brought this onto herself is just 🤢🤢🤢
Right?? The Young Turks one shocked me.
@@enrrietl57 is it only Mexicans and Filipinos defending her
@@eliza1826 well Vanessa is filipino so i would hope they defended her! and also all us little hispanic kids really believed Vanessa was mexican 🤣😭
young miley standing up for her was so sweet
seems like miley has always been a real one
love Miley so much
ya it was half-standing up for her. She still called what she did a "mistake" making Vanessa look guilty of something that was not a mistake at all.
@@Hazexs7564 if she said it wasn’t a mistake, she would’ve gotten in trouble with disney. she stood up for her as much as she could under her contract.
@@Hazexs7564 Either she was a young girl who still thought that a woman/girl posing naked for a photo meant for herself and/or for her partner is “worse” than any crime out there, or she was a young girl who was scared and just didn’t want to have complications with Disney…
And for the first possibility, even though it’s wrong to think like that, unfortunately it’s normal for girls, even now in 2022, to feel shame when they expose even a bit of their bodies, and feeling the need to hide because they are told over and over again that women’s bodies are nothing but sexually appealing objects in the eyes of men. I’ll never blame women, especially those who were born in the early 2000s, for believing something that the majority of women were brainwashed to believe. It’s only later in life that you actually realise how dehumanising it is.
The adults were absolutely REFUSING to say someone leaked her photos. They spent so much time saying how she took the photo and now it's online. They loved to blame girls for their own victimization
this
It was Drake Bell that leaked them because she upgraded
@@MoyaBrennan6825 Drake Bell has been charged with criminal offences to minors for grooming and abuse :(
so this doesn't shock me he would leak her photos.
@Coffeeaddictkitty Y.B
I mean, as a good rule of thumb, I generally wouldn’t take nude photos, because this happens so often. But I agree. It’s disgusting
Boys and actual men were doing this all over the world at that time. I refused to send any pics of myself to anyone because I saw how abusive men behaved in that era. Even “church men” . It disgusts me to no end
It's disgusting how many fully grown adults in the media would rather rip an 18-year-old to shreds than protect the person and their privacy, and go after the hacker or person who's leaking that stuff. Disgusting.
I agree. It’s been happening for decades. Hilary Duff and Britney also went through it.
she deffo released the pic herself
@@robertswaine2673 says who
If they did it to one of the most kind and influencial beings in the world: Michael Jackson. What make s You think they could'nt do it to her?
The whole guy calling her out at the award show saying you gotta keep up clothes on was so uncomfortable and embarrassing. So gross of him to say that on stage how humiliating 🙁
Yeah Dane Cook is scum, that just makes me like him even less.
Dane cook
@@edahs555 Oh THAT’S who that is? That’s very interesting considering he’s married to someone he clearly groomed. How incredibly ironic.
Not to mention in those photos she was under age. Super weird comments to make
He is such a creep in general. I've watched a show of him and it was just gross the way he spoke about women. Let's see the skeletons in his closet because I'm sure there are a few disgusting ones.
“i shouldn’t be ashamed they should be” gave me chills. she’s so strong and what a wonderful message! f the shamers
Theres no way its a coincidence that so many young starlets release "nudes". I just dont buy it. You all are being played.
Yeah it was awful and uncalled for, but have you heard the remix song? Like omg what even..
She should be ashamed if she had a problem keeping on her clothes when she was underage. What a dummy.
“but that’s her own fault” these reporters are so disgusting
That's how common society still talks when women and young girls are exploited. It's just not shown as often on TV anymore.
@@asha_vereThose pics should never have been exposed, but if you never took them thered be nothing to show
"Apples are apples" these reporters are so disgusting
It was. No one told her send out nudes, the dummy.
@@bruiseleeroy7010they were for her boyfriend at the time she never meant for the photos to go public someone leaked them
It’s so messed that she had to apologize for being violated. That’s DISGUSTING.
The fact that they all say “she did this to herself “ when these photos were maliciously leaked with mal intent couldn’t begin to comprehend in my mind. She was a NORMAL young woman, who’s photo gallery was clearly used against her in a ploy for the one who sold it to gain a monetary value. Love her poor heart..
I agree and it doesn’t help that Disney pushes this squeaky clean image on young people that are at the age that they are just exploring their sexuality, so when a leak like that does happen, it makes the young person look that much more guilty to the judging eyes of the public. Like omg oh no a DISNEY star dare to share a nude photo with her partner?! Disney stars have no sexuality they must be pure! Give me a break!
Yes wtf that blonde woman who was like “well it’s her fault” WTF imagine being a grown adult and talking about a teenager like that
Who leaked them to begin with! I believe it was Drake bell nasty ass.
She did it to herself because if she never took the photos they never would have been released. Yes it's wrong for whoever hacked her and leaked them, and he should be charged, but reality is that if you don't take nude photos, nude photos will not be leaked.
What’s the name of that Karen she’s disgusting
The pressure put on young girls…it’s sickening,
I remember me and my friends talking about a lot of these issues in school and not fully understanding it.
The ‘she should have known better’ phrase was just thrown around so much…felt we had to learnt quick and fast cause no one was gonna guide us, just judge us.
How were they meant to know better, they are kids, adults should know better! Miley didn’t print that picture, it was taken of her but she’s the one in the wrong, Venessa didn’t share those pictures they were stolen from her…but she’s wrong…what the heck were the media thinking…shame on them!
The media always twists things for "juicy" stories.
@@sabrinawilliams8717 so true! It’s really pathetic, they could make it ‘juicy’ by going after the real people involved, the photographer…the people that invaded their privacy but it’s just easy to blame a young girl, lazy ‘journalism’ pathetic!
Girls have always been a target for centuries, it’s awful.
@@TheMakeupChair or parents can stop feeding their children to the wolves. Let them be kids, not the bread winner. The parents are to blame
she should've known better than to send N*des to someone. however, the media was in the wrong by making her apologize for being violated. Drake should be the one apologizing.
Well, the “should have known better” also is part of the digital age. Some of this stems from the ability for stuff to spread so easily, it should make you more cautious. BUT, you are right, it is a HUGe invasion of privacy for Vanessa, and Miley’s weren’t that bad. Maybe not the best judgement call for the magazine to put it in their issue, due to the Disney ties, but it was an artsy picture
Miley and Billy standing there in that interview defending her fills my heart with hope and love. Billy Ray “She’s a human being” You don’t see that very often in life, especially within that scene
Low expectations...smh
@soobinsfallenhairstrand Gee expert of all things entertainment...enlighten me. 🙄
No really, ENLIGHTEN ME. OH MASTER OF ALL THAT IS ENTERTAINMENT...SINCE 2007.
@@maximusprime3459 unhinged
@@WeOnlySayHelloReal How? And that loss to humanity still hasnt answered. Guess they arent as smart as they thought they were.
What’s wild to me is everyone treats her like she leaked her own photos and thus deserves the backlash. Makes no sense how dense people can be. Always felt sorry for her.
Adults in the early 2000s were so weird the way they spoke without any critical thinking or compassion I mean jeez these girls went through it that Miley shot was not that serious and imagine being expected to be perfect and a “role model” at 14-15 it’s so ridiculous we’ve all done things it’s called life and experience .
sad thing is, adults now aren’t much different. the ones on tiktok are vicious to everyone.
And then want to say that young people or Gen Z are sensitive and get offended over everything but its like.....y'all are ruthless and disrespectful and don't even seem to realize it
literally
Perez Hilton was the WORST offender
"She's 15 she should have know better." ...what?
So many people owe Vanessa an apology. She was treated terrible , exploited and way too many inappropriate chatter of a child.
also let's congrats vanessa she and Cole tucker just got engaged.
Exactly
I was cringing expecting Miley and Billy Ray to say something horrible (as was the norm in the early 2000s). But their response was surprisingly mature.
i thought the same thing!! i could feel myself like physically tensing up and bracing myself and it wasn’t even like a conscious thing and i was just waiting for them to say something that would make me cringe/uncomfortable but i was pleasantly surprised. good on him for teaching her that and for raising her in a way that allowed her to have such a mature outlook at such a young age.
I mean they lean to that stuff themselves now, so it’s not a surprise
I think Billy Ray didn’t want to say anything and Miley was like “It’s everywhere so” lol
Miley has always been mature and many interviews with BR in the past have shown he’s all about lifting people up. I wasn’t surprised but I was still pleased. I love that he wanted to block the question entirely because I’m sure as a dad of a teen girl, he wouldn’t love some guy his age commenting on his daughter in a similar position.
If anything, Miley ran great interference with that question.
Adults obsessed with naked teens (adult or no, 18 is a teen) is such a gross and weird part of the past. I remember when all these things happened and its wild WILD to look back on it now. She was a KID.
Omg I turned 13 in 2006, and so I was only 4 years younger than Vanessa. We all basically grew up together. I remember being devastated by how fixated the media was on the exploitation of young children, specifically girls. I was a victim of SA at 15 and I remember how much I was blamed for the actions of a 19 year old. There was very little - if any - support for us and it's so unfortunate that these victims are forced to apologize for the actions of their oppressors. It's abysmal.
20 and 24 are teenagers too ...
It also sucks when adults talk too much about how a 24 is old enough when 24 or 26 is a fucking stupid teenager still
@@meralEdwtDawlatlyI would say 21 is the cutoff point as a teenager however I don’t disagree with you that they aren’t completely mature either. Regardless, they are young adults which should have a better sense of judgement despite still requiring guidance from time to time
that’s exactly why Schnieders bakery filmed those sexual scenes and remarks with children
If teenage photos were exposed you hide it not try to share it
NOOOO that interview with Ashley Tisdale!! I felt how uncomfortable she was. And the fact that he said "be comfortable" 🤮 god this reminded me of those times. It was incredibly toxic and it was SO NORMALIZED. What happened to Vanessa is disgusting! It happened to so many girls back in the day. Reflecting on the norms/standards of the late 00s and early 10s presented in this video, makes me understand why so many girls who grew up in those times went through some really horrible things, and at the hands of teenage boys who felt entitled to violate us.
I had such a physical visceral reaction to “be comfortable” Disgusting.
@@SketchingWithSarah me tooooo 😩
I was gonna comment on that. It angers me how he's statement is like subtly encouraging Ashley to laugh at Vanessa when really she's just uncomfortable. There is nothing comfortable about it - about the question and about what happened to Vanessa. Being her co -star, she probably felt like she might become the next victim of something and probably is very much afraid. Smh.
Late 00's and early 10's...? Girl, it was happening to us in the late 90's, early 00's too, and it's STILL happening now. They can't be as blatant about it in the media these days, but in real life girls STILL have to watch their own backs just as much as they always have. For every five guys you meet, at least one of them sees you as an object put on this earth to take care of a man's needs. We STILL have to be teaching our daughters the tips for staying safe, and reminding them to be vigilant and to listen to their instincts when they're feeling uncomfortable. If anything, people feel more entitled now than ever before!
@@cjb2749 100% agreed! Being a teen in the late 00s/early 10s I was just speaking from my personal experience and referencing that time.
Ashley being completely uncomfortable and being told “be comfortable” was so chilling. Everyone treated her so awfully. She was barely an adult! And a lot of those photos were just her trying to be cute and weren’t racy at all. And comments saying she needed this scandal because she was squeaky clean? People are disgusting. This wasn’t even that long ago, but it feels like public perception to these types of things has changed a lot.
People did her dirty, yet she chose to show that gorgeous smile & fun personality. She’s way too strong for people to notice.
People own Vanessa a huge apology. It was a nightmare being her fan during that time, not because we were listening absurd things about her everywhere, but we saw how much she was suffering. I remember checking forums and websites every week and there she was going to therapy again. Secutiry guards, never alone, no smiles, no usual happy dances... Nothing. She was a puppy. It was consuming her and we were just watching it. And all this while WE were also growing up, it was a mess and they handle it very poorly.
You don't owe her a apology. You did nothing wrong. You didn't tell them to do that. Like you said you were a kid yourself. What yall gonna do? If anyone should apologize it should be her parents.
I don't owe miss "it's a virus i respect that" a goddamn thing
@@NatlovesJesus1 I said "people", not ME. Also, her parents don't have to apologize too. The corporation is the one who owns her an apology and every single person who laughed, shared the pictures and made inappropriate comments about a TEENAGER.
@@asverith you do realize we are talking about two COMPLETELY different things, right? One is a bloody /CRIME/ and the other is a stupid/dumb comment while drunk on Instagram live. And not only that, but there's at least a DECADE separating these two situations. She was a tennager, this is serious.
I would say that ppl owe her an apology, ppl know what price fame usually comes with, it isnt a good price but it's a price, that's just how it is, one thing i will say is if she was a child actor her parents shouldve put more thought into throwing their child into a career like this
It's disgusting how messed up early 2000s media was to these young stars, especially young women. The Dane Cook situation is infuriating and it enraged me when the woman was laughing saying "that was amazing. Finally, someone telling her what clothes are for..." Like wtf???
It’s especially ridiculous with Dane Cook considering the type of person he is.
Yeah and of course he’s now some middle aged man with a barely twenty something wife lol
No she said, "Finally someone telling her what phones are for" it was phones not clothes.
Need the link to that young Turks video lmao I wonder what they think about the slut shaming now… 🤔
@@jclyntoledo oo I thought she said clothes too. Either way literally no one uses phones for only phone calls 😂 I know this was a few years ago but I just know that all of the men who were calling her out are the exact same men who were BEGGING women to send them nudes.
22:31 that's so disgusting.
The fact that Vanessa even had the strength to stay in that room. I couldn't have imagined how she felt. I would have been sick and left. He's truly disgusting for saying that.
The media wouldve called her a diva or worse if she did walk out instead of blaming the grown man for being disrespectful
@@Vkpz very true considering the time period :(
If I were Vanessa I would've actually have the courage to go up to the stage and in front of everyone tell that my photos have been stolen and that i do whatever I want with MY phone.
My jaw dropped! That was such a weird time!
I remember back in high school when my classmates were having this discussion and they were all applauding him got calling her out like that. It was very disturbing and unsettling for me to hear
I don’t remember how I reacted to these “scandals” when they happened, but looking back at the media’s coverage of the each situation is embarrassing and gross beyond words.
Yeah, the media back in the early 2000's was relentless and disgusting. I think Vanessa handled this with a maturity beyond her years. It's really so sad that ADULTS were shaming young teen idols around this time. It's just horrible.
I guess that's because we were young to understand the real issue and actually how serious the situation. I only remember Miley because i was (still) fan of her and i remember thinking ''uh ok. why people so bad to her''. Because you don't see those pics (for example Miley) as sexual. When you're younger all you can say is ''they're bad and rude to her even it's not her fault. it's her private''. 'Cause of the image of Disney people find the way to attack teeanger and even parents don't see or tell their kids the truth they're not their tv characters. Looking back right now it's just crazy how the main social media was smaller and people saw and write everything.
Agreed!
"that's her own fault" "she brought this to herself" bruh did they not understand the word "leaked"?? someone hijacked her by posting the photos online.. she's clearly the victim :(
It was widely speculated that she "leaked" them because it happened every time she had a movie coming out for a couple years. That's where that type of response was coming from.
@@9melissal ahh i see, wow they flip it and blame it back to her.. the entertainment industry is horrible
but wasnt she the one who took the photos, im confused
@@muzikveoyun37 and? they weren't supposed to be seen by the public
@@fedem14 but they did, and this wouldnt happen if she didnt take the photos in the first place. i agree what happened to her was bad, but she played a part in this as well, she should take responsibility for her wrongdoing instead of just blaming it all to the publishers.
Every time a reporter comments on any of these scandals, it makes my blood boil. ESPECIALLY the grown women shaming these young girls for being exploited. Shame on them.
Dane Cook calling out Vanessa on TV and saying “gurl keep yo clothes on” was so unnecessary, super insensitive and people were laughing... disgusting. It’s not funny. You can see how uncomfortable and pissed Vanessa was. 😞😢 so many ppl are quick to judge Vanessa because of the photo scandal when it wasn’t even HER FAULT. What if this happened to you?
Omg yes. My blood boiled when the girl said “And it’s her fault too!” Like BISS 😠
Dane Cook is definitely a disgusting human being!!!
@@yoshi_yeehaw yeah, wonder if she would hand over her phone and let us post anything incriminating on her like any photos we feel like... I'm sure she would have a VERY different opinion when it's her.
@@yoshi_yeehaw girl was probably jealous Vanessa is prettier than her or the fact she dated Zack Efron
I'm glad Dane Cook fade out quickly. He wasn't even that funny. I'm so glad Vanessa is fabulous and still gets work.
20:06
Ashley- "I'm uncomfortable"
Reporter- "Well, be comfortable"
I WAS SHOCKED WHEN I HEARD THAT
Completely appalling
That was so disgusting
I would have just walked out.
the fact that one woman agreed that "she should keep her clothes on" is weird to me. they were sent with trust in mind. she wasnt aware theyd be posted anywhere. rather than blaming vanessa, why couldnt she hold accountable the person who leaked them?
whats also fucked is that you can still very easily find these photos with a short google search. as much as you can sue and press charges, itll never stop another website from publishing the same thing no matter the impact it caused the first time.
she has so much internalized misogyny
AMEN!! Hollywood is Poison
I was so shocked to see that clip because I watched her and other reporters on The Young Turks (when I was a teenager) discuss the harm of cultural appropriation, body-shaming and sexism.
It's so sad how people villanized her and never the person who leaked her photos.
That's because a lot of them believed she leaked them herself, based on their wording when they're talking about it lmao.
Which is even worse because it was basic knowledge that she didn't.
I still wonder who it was, her ex?
Just like janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake situation
@colorful moon It was Drake Bell. The same guy who is now in prison for child porn.
21:02 I cannot believed we accepted this as our media. Pure bullying. As a mother, I would never want to see my child go through this humiliation.
It’s just a sensitive world now. 😁
@@blessedbythebest1003 what do you mean? You defend this bullshit? 😐
@@blessedbythebest1003 people were real pieces of shit back then.
Right?@!!
@@blessedbythebest1003 I'm guessing you were a high school bully?
The way she was treated is absolutely sickening. I'm actually horrified.
The whole nude photo thing is so disgusting how these adults treated her. And they were judging her for UNDERAGED photos!? Those people should be ashamed of themselves
What if it was one of their own kids in that same place.
@@devinandrews7220 They probably wouldn’t give a single sh!t… These people would care more about their own reputation, rather than their own child mental health.
shed be listed as a sex offender
Making a big deal about skin. Worth less reporters
2004-2008 was an awful time to be a woman in hollywood. Like not only was it non consensual.....it was CHILD PORN if she was underage. People are so disgusting
What an overstated comment. 2004-2008 was not an "awful time" to be a woman in Hollywood. 🙄
Calm down. She was an adult
"Porn" is something very specific: the depiction of fornication. This is more than the mere depiction of female beauty or scenes featuring love and romance. Let' s stop playing fast and loose with vocabulary.
@@mangos2888in 2004 she was 16 in 2008 she was 20 so it happen in 2007 the photos leaking but if they happened in 2004 or 05 she would have been a minor but since it happened in 2007 she was 19 so while yes she was still a teenager you don’t turn adult till you hit 25 for women for men it’s 18. Women full adulthood is age 25. So she was a young lady not a woman yet. Look on google that what I did. The leak photos that happened were said to have been from when she was 17 so at that age she was a minor.
She was 18, you’re right but she wasn’t a child. It’s still revenge porn to share the picture but she wasn’t underage
In 2007 I was 14 and my bf was 17. He sent a p*rn video of us to everyone In the school and they sent it to everyone in theirs. It ruined my life at the time and this was the culture back then. Blame the girl, call her a ho3. Even when it was taken or distributed without permission. I’m glad we as a society have gotten better. I related so much to Vanessa at the time and still feel for her to this day.
I'm sorry that happened to you I hope you're ok.
Was he charged? You were underaged...
17 and 14 is so sketchy. He was a predatory douche
Miss ma’am I’m sorry but your parents were so irresponsible for letting you sleep around at 14..you literally just hit puberty whilst ur bf was going into his adolescence age…girrrlll not judging but I think your family/ society failed you
screw that guy!!! i hope you’re doing okay now. that must have been traumatising for a fourteen year old or even just for anyone in general to handle.
The fact that they didnt think for a second that the nude photo could’ve been taken when she was underage is just ridiculous. And everyone who reported on this story needs to pay Vanessa for the damages they caused her
Exactly!!! That’s what I was thinking. She was 18 when the photos got leaked and the first thing I thought of was “well I really hope these people are spreading child porn”
What happened with Miley is disgusting! Like SHE’S COVERED!!! And also them attacking her dad for the photo of them was heartbreaking because people always turn something into something it clearly isn’t.
Yeah I was a kid when that happened, and I remember being super confused why their closeness as father and daughter was being interpreted as “creepy” and whatnot.. I mean the pictures are kinda awkward looking but people made it seem like they were practically being intimate! So weird.
It’s was I didn’t like hows she was trying to used …the black community to be on ,her side once her Ex came back now husband…she decided to dropped us so quick .
@@dystanysam9896 Miley is fake!
@@dystanysam9896 I'm sorry, I don't understand but would like to. Could you possibly explain further?
exactly saying they look like a couple I mean what daughters can't take pictures with their dad
Respect to Miley for just keeping it real, instead of acting like it didn’t happen. She’s a good friend for sticking up for her at such a hard time
My girlfriend said this had little to do with Vanessa Hudgens and more to do with misogyny in Hollywood.
Just passing the message.
And your girlfriend is right
Your girlfriend is knows the facts.
Humiliation sac
Absolutely 💯
Yes but especially if you're Disney's latest in the line of actresses who the house of mouse excepts to remain a teenager or tween the rest of their lives. It's BS. And then there are viewers who also except the same & all judgment them harshly when they don't stay in the box they started out with.
As someone who was part of the demographic these parents were oh, so worried about being poorly influenced by these "scandals", I can confirm that the only thing I learned was that being a victim of sexual assault would somehow always be my own fault in the eyes of the public.
Some lesson.
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Big agree - the editing, the research, the hosts, the topics, this channel is fantastic
Agreed
I agree this channel is fab! Everything is "produced" like a high stakes Netflix series, it's great
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thank you for vocalizing this so very well.
I'll never understand why other women will throw young girls under the bus. I don't know if it's pressure from male co-workers, or jealousy or what. But that shit needs to stop. My heart goes out to teen Vanessa, this must of been so hard to go through.
I think it’s money
Money and jealous.
@@joelle4226 how exactly is it money?
Internalized misogyny. “Look at what a bad woman she is-not like me! I’m one of the good ones!”
@@joelle4226 it obviously stems from a misogynistic/patriarchal society we're all forced to live in, it's only relatively gotten somewhat better but they made it where tearing other women down was the only to come up, men are also tearing her down but we only judge women for doing it believing it is worse for women to do it not realizing that's also a symptom of misogyny.
It is so disgusting seeing how the media treated her. She was freshly 18! I was around 9 when those photos first leaked and then I was around 10 when HSM3 came out, but I do recall bits and pieces of that time period. As a kid, I viewed her being much older than 18. It's insane to now realize and see that the media was being so nasty to a damn teen! I remember thinking back then that she didn't do anything wrong and why the hell were people mad at HER for these PRIVATE photos?? I guess that just really shows you how Hollywood was back in 2008. It's so sad. It's so weird to view this time period as an adult now. I'm almost 24 and I just cannot believe society really treated her so poorly. I have never seen that interview where Miley speaks about the situation. It's really nice to hear her being so supportive. Especially knowing how the media treated her growing out of being a Disney teen as well. This time period was so disappointing. The fact that society laughed and villainized this poor girl, even though she was a victim.... SO devastating. I am so happy you guys did a deep dive on this situation with Vanessa. Being a kid then, I never knew how ugly the media was towards her. I loved her growing up and that situation didn't change my mind on her. She was a huge role model for me growing up and I still admire her, especially seeing her get out of the Disney machine. She was so incredibly brave. I hope she continues to do well in life.
I’m almost 40 and it’s hard for me to believe too. It’s your generation that is making these huge steps forward on these types of things 💝
we're around the same age (less than 2 yrs older than you) and i was around that age also when hsm 3 came out and how those things happened, i'm glad she had great friends in the cast and was able to have get through that.
Imagine how lonely she must have felt.. it's heart wrenching .. and the person who leaked those photos was never held accountable.. 💔
What’s worse is I’m starting to think that those nude photos were not even real. And that the person who leaked them photoshopped Vanessa’s head in it to ruin her reputation.
@@amylee8969with all the ai stuff we will start seeing more of these
oh drake has some really ugly skeletons in his closet too so i feel bad for her and have seen a few of her movies even if they're lower budget and a little cringey. she was talented and treated so horribly for something that wasn't her fault
I see a lot of jealousy from every single female who reported this. None of these women supported her and so many are guilty of the same thing. Disgusting how rapid they were to expose her.
With all due, it was their job to hype to hype up the story. The media had a weird fascination with almost 18 girls and that tells me it's probably a male dominated area? I'm not saying it was right but they needed ratings...
Why would a female reporter be jealous of a teenager's nudes? I can see if it was a grown woman?
@@JameseGray1991 because some women are weird like that. it’s unfortunate.
As much as we feel horrible about her for the sexploitation (that’s what I would call it), does anyone remember the time when she made that controversial Coronavirus comment in early 2020?
@@kieranstark7213 yes. One person can suffer from something and be a victim, and at the same time can be a dick sometimes and make mistakes. One thing doesn’t just eliminate the other. Two concepts that can coexist.
The most upsetting thing was the high chances that those pictures were underage. The way media treated Vanessa was inhumane.
Idk why but I have a feeling that Vanessa’s nude photos were not even real. I feel like they were photoshopped so some shady creep can make Vanessa look bad. It’s sad and cringy to think of it that way but I’m starting to believe it.
wow GO MILEY i’m so glad she spoke up about it even years later because she was 15!! She was a child and for people around her to tell her she did wrong and she should feel ashamed is outrageous. Proud of her and ashamed of every adult that looked at her in any other way other than a child.
I truly don’t know what worse, the guys telling her to “keep her clothes on” Or the announcer basically saying she deserved it like wtfff
We should all be ashamed as a society for how we treated during this time. I love how so many people said there was no longer a need for feminism or activism during this time. All of this victim blaming and slut shaming literally makes me sick. I forget how bad it sucked being a teenage girl during this time period. It’s still harder but at least people aren’t usually this brazen with their sexism now and we’re a little bit better educated.
“During this time” my friend, I’d hate to tell you….. but almost nothing has changed at all.
@@StressedDepressednOverdressed I agree and also disagree to a point, because i do think adults sexualizing teens nowadays in media is a bit more called out. Not enough, but more than it was then I think. Maybe im wrong, because im not a teenager anymore and dont engage with all the same content i did back then, so maybe im just not seeing it.
@@StressedDepressednOverdressed a lot has changed. Just because victim blaming hasn't magically disappeared, that doesn't mean that it's as mainstream and as acceptable as it was back then. Also, at least revenge porn is now illegal. It wasn't back then. Just because we don't have a magic wand to make patriarchy disappear, it doesn't mean all the fights protesters, feminist academics and allies gave were for nothing. We fought a lot for the few changes to come, we fought a lot for revenge porn to be considered a crime. By not recognizing the change, you basically minimize the fight and effort women gave for change. Which doesn't mean everything is perfect or that we don't need to fight for more rights.
@@Jkjoannaki well when we can’t even define what a woman is these days, yeah all the fighting, protests and hard work for womens rights was for nothing.
When a biological male is allowed to trample biological women in sport and society lifts them up as if they’re a hero and it’s so “brave” to steal women’s spots and medals, yeah, it absolutely was a waste.
Don’t be fooled, women are still getting the short of the stick.
It was slut shaming at its finest
So messed up, these poor girls. If you ever find yourself cringing from an embarrassing highschool moment, imagine everybody all over the world talking about you. Everything is magnified when you're famous
That's so horrible
'Leaked photos of herself' is heartbreaking to hear. Poor Vanessa. It was nice to see Miley & Billy-Ray defending her. I can understand why her Dad would have preferred to say he knew nothing about it & move on to the next topic, but I'm actually glad Miley said what she did & I'm glad Billy had her back with it too.. it's disappointing to see so many adults berating her, bullying her & making her life hell when she was a child. Even if she had done it at eighteen, that's still pretty much a baby in my opinion. Regardless, underage or not it's a disgusting thing to do to anybody & someone should have been held accountable for it.
bro miley and her dad ltrly said “everyone makes mistakes” wheres the mistake??????
@@soultaex8080 sending nudes is stupid, that's a fact
@@soultaex8080 I think they said that because well during that time Disney had them on the same stupid ass rules so they had to like tiptoe what they were saying, but also still wanted to defend her at the same time
I remember this scandal like it was yesterday. I was 15 years old. Looking back at this story now as an adult, I couldn’t imagine the trauma she went through at such a young age.
I was 17….around the same age as her at the time. While I wasn’t a huge fan of HSM, I do feel bad for what she and many others went though.
These adults out here insulting children getting exploited should be slapped in the face 👀😈
Seriouslyyyyyy !!! I cannnttt !!
Adults who insult children are bad enough, adults who insult exploited children are pure evil.
Fo real it pissed me off. It sucks Vanessa was under Disney contract and control because with out a doubt i bet she would dissed all of their ass and stand up for herself
@22:04 Dane Cook was absolutely GROSS and way out of line to publicly humiliate Vanessa on stage like that. An adult male saying something so crass to embarrass a young woman on national tv for something that wasn’t her fault is shameful. I’m completely creeped out and disgusted by his actions. Crazy how wildly and openly inappropriate young stars were treated back then (though I am aware starlets of all eras experienced this as well). 😒
yeah and like his joke wasnt even funny..... :/
@@aubreyspencer1167 yeah he heard that before
and especially since ( I don’t think ) they haven’t had any other previous encounters or even talked to each other before
Dane Cook is so trashy, glad he's not famous anymore.
See I would’ve had to fight him bc you got me messed up 🤬😤 it was so uncalled for and so glad he’s faded and she’s doing great 👏🏽
It's weird to look back on that and think about all these "adults" talking about pictures of a child and are almost giddy about it. What's even weirder is that you know all the reporters saw the pictures themselves. I would feel like such a gross human being feeling good about a picture of a kid and her downfall.
Yes!!! That is the normal healthy view- to have no part in it, and not further her shame!! But instead they wallow happily in that mud like pigs!
It really is terrible. Made worse that grown adults pushed her further into the storm laughing all the while and enthusiastically talking on the matter.
How can these reporters be all giddy about this?
They didn’t see a person they saw a story that would give them good ratings
Especially the guy that said he had no problem with Vanessa’s nudes leak. Fucking creeps the lot of them
as someone who has been revenge p*rn-ed before i can understand the pain and the loneliness that Vanessa's feel back then.
i can understand the feeling when people blame me cause my video was everywhere on twitter while I'm not the one who leak it on the internet.
and the most disgusting thing is people just don't care what i feel. they even said that I'm a drama queen, I'm playing victim, and even many people said that i deserved that. and no one even there for me or even wanted to help me.
glad that was over now.
It's weird how women basically get shamed for having a body. Like what exactly is she apologizing for? Having breasts, a vagina?
It makes no sense to me.
Also we'd all be pissed if someone leaked information from our phones. But when it comes to celebrities, we're just like "oh well, it's your own fault" like what
You should never take photos of yourself naked no matter if you send them or not. Anything you have on your phone will get found and detected mostly on iPhone era like today. Yet, technology was changing so I doubt we were aware of the advancements of technology and the contract.
Yet it is a problem if hacked by whoever but this is just another feminist issue that will never be solved so women always need to be more careful and cautious
@@Im_Julissa you should take whatever pictures you want and we should acknowledge that when they get leaked the fault is on the person who leaked them.
It's "wrong" because she was underage. I think a lot of people are confused about how the law works but legally speaking she could have gotten into a lot of trouble if she wasn't famous.
Even though they were pictures she took of herself, she was still guilty of distributing child p0rn0graphy because she herself was legally a child at the time. If the person is underage then it is illegal to take and distribute whether they consent to it being taken or not.
I think sending nudes has become so common that people don't think much of it but it's techniquely illegal to do if you're a minor doing it. In my own opinion, I just think it's a foolish thing to do period even as an adult. Anyone can see that and revenge p0rn is a very real thing. Actions have consequences.
@Julissa, honestly, I kind of agree. It’s showing respect to your body to not take nudes. With the way technology is changing and so insecure, pretty much anything on my phone can be leaked.
However, ultimately it is the fault of the hacker who leaked the photos.
Excuse me she is apologizing for wrongly exploiting her 'breasts and vagina'
It’s heartbreaking that other young women were laughing and shaming her.And incredibly DISGUSTING that grown adults were so obsessed with if/when more photos were true.And the fact that people said that SHE leaked them is awful
It may have been heartbreaking for Vanessa, but it's par for the course with young women.
I can’t imagine the trauma those child actresses now have to live with as adults, being tormented and blamed for being exposed/violated in that way at such a young age.
That would stick with you for life.
The most disturbing part about this is, the women who were determined to bring Vanessa down were the same women who screamed and hollered they were abused by Hollywood men.
Wether it’s “cancel culture “ , “being to sensitive” or whatever else people like to say the younger generation is… I’m proud that we have moved further in society away from adults talking About literal children like this. You could never get away with something like this today and I’m glad
Cancel culture has always existed, it’s just now you’re canceled for something actually heinous, not the fact that you took a topless photo.
Adults get away for speaking about girls like this still tho
I totally agree. Watching these vids on this channel is making me understand what a strange and toxic time the early 2000s were for young women,
Exactly, thank you. People shit on gen z for this, but at least we know that this isn't ok.
There were some adults who were rightfully saying in these clips: "The parents and adults should not have posed her naked on a bed in a suggestive manner at fifteen" (about Miley). They were looking out for the child and judging the adults, rightfully so.
But, Vanessa didn't leaked it. Why make her the villain? Jesus, the media is Harsh harsh. I wish Vanessa had healed from this traumatic experience and wish her thriving
Looking back, she really had to have a spine of steel to weather that level of scrutiny and ridicule so gracefully. Especially with the image Disney had curated for her at such a young age. :(
The way she was only 18 years old... Poor baby she had to apologize for something that wasn't even her fault. The reporters who were talking about it are insanely disgusting, shame on them. I hope they look back with regret, esp after knowing she was 15 YEARS OLD in that photo.
Mileys parents always made sure she understood kindness, and controversy. Her father taught her that people make bad decisions sometimes but that doesn't mean who you are changes. Even thru her "crazy stage" her parents always stood up for her. Thank god she has a great support system unlike britney because black box was her and britneys security. They tried to get her parents to do to her what was done to Britney Spears but luckily they weren't falling for that crap!
lets be real mileys "crazy stage" was close to 100% calculated to get free from the disney image and to keep disney away from her
people blamed vanessa because they can’t bear to see a woman take autonomy of her own body and sexuality, which is exactly what those pictures were, an expression of sexuality, a private moment. people only appreciate a woman’s sexuality when it is non-consensual. when it is consensual, they find a way to demonise her.
So fuckin true.
Wrong. They were upset because it's a consensual distribution of child p0rn. It doesn't matter that it was of herself, she was still underage when she did it in the eyes of the law. She's luckily she didn't get into legal trouble, I know kids from highschool who got caught for sending pics and when the law got involved they had to register as sex offenders for harboring and distributing compromising media of minors. So, it's not harmless at all
@@xakashinax7182 But the fact of the matter is the energy was never kept with male stars. So no it isn’t wrong
@@xakashinax7182 no you're wrong, literally NO ONE in the media even mentioned it being CP. Vanessa was the victim and it was because she was a girl/woman that they wanted to make her a pariah. How do you even get the message that it was because it was CP when literally everyone demonized her and try to shame her, no one cared that she was underaged. That's one of the worst parts
Wtf are you talking about????
This is absolutely atrocious. To trust someone with such a vulnerable photo of yourself when you're a literal CHILD and the thought of it being leaked isn't even a thought that crosses your mind. The fact that everyone was blaming her is disgusting.
Media around this time annoys tf outta me. If you’re looking for a teen to be a role model for YOUR kid then you’ve already failed as a parent
The early 2000s and 2010s we're absolutely toxic for female celebrities. People like Britney Spears, Miley, Amy Winehouse... I mean the bullying and harassment from the media, the paparazzi, and everything was so overwhelming!!! I can't even imagine what these ladies went though back then.
Okay we get it Miley was a good friend but let’s talk about the disgusting adults that shamed her for absolutely no reason
Miley was 15, thats disgusting! If she was 18 I wouldn't give a f***! Taking public photos that appear sexual in nature is called pedophilia.
literally all the comments are saying that
Watching this in 2022 and about the same age as Miley, I remember just feeling so scared of ever showing my body. To hear that grown adult call her “scum” because a part of her back was showing? Just absolutely disgusting how much self-shame was pushed on to young women.
literally how can you see that picture and think it has anything sexual to it... IT'S HER BACK😭
I hate how people over sexualize body parts, like shoulders or backs. Like everyone has these, why are women always stifled if they show theirs?
@@missmadness387 because society has always looked at the female body as pornographic well Men see it that way. Just look throughout history especially religion and it's probably the number one reason societies all over the world see female bodies in a sexualizing manner. Even in normal situations such as wearing a skirt or showing your back or shoulders, midriff etc: it's truly disgusting.
Still is, sadly. My middle school was strict as heck with the dress code for dress codes and so were my elementary schools. I’m starting high school this year, and luckily it’s a lot more chill. I’ve seen more girls wearing tank tops and crop tops this year!
Yes! I'm over 30 now and was paranoid for half of my life that someone would possibly leak my nude photos so I didn't want to take them.
The shocking thing is the amount of ADULTS and "PROFESSIONALS" that perpetuated and made the situation so much worse
I can't imagine how horrible and isolated she must have felt to have the entire media against her and shaming her for something she had no control over, and it was disgusting how much people at the time reveled in her misfortune! It's honestly disgusting, I feel so bad for the way she was treated, and the way everyone made it feel like it was HER fault for taking photos PRIVATELY
People who looked up to these girls as role models have a weird definition of, entertainment. ...the fact they put so much pressure on these young girls to be perfect is insane.
Yeah a lot of the hate was from adult women angry that a kid wasn't being a perfect role model for their kid. Like that's YOUR job as a mother to be a role model for your kids. It's messed how that's STILL going on today. Parents angry their kids "role models" aren't being the parents definition of a good person. It's just dumb. How can any parent think it's anyone else's job to change their behavior and life around being a role model for some randos kids they don't even know. It's ridiculous
The entire situation of her photos being leaked made me sick to my stomach. The fact that everyone was blaming her and 40 year olds are gossiping about an 18 year old is absolutely disgusting. They made it her entire identity. She deserves a major apology
I feel like Vanessa’s nude photos were fake and were photoshopped by some creep to shame her and ruin her reputation. It’s just sad and cringe to thing that, but knowing how toxic Hollywood can be against teenage girls, it’s not that surprising. Think about it, she was freaked out she the photos were leaked without permission.
I love how both Billy and Miley were supportive of her during a time when it seemed like everyone was against her. We love to see it ❤
I can't believe people actually blamed her or "well that's what she deserves" or "she should have known better". When you take a nude pic, it is for yourself or someone else. She did not chose to leak it, it wasn't her fault. It boils my blood. I would have though females would be more empathetic but that hosts was legit like "Someone finally told her, she deserves it" like wtf people.
Some of these females were worse than the males. It’s sick
As a grown woman I can say that as a teen I did a lot of stuff that I “should have known better” than to do. But that doesn’t mean that I necessarily had the maturity level to not do it. Ya know. I just thank my lucky stars we didn’t have cellphones back when I was that age. I had never heard of this story perhaps because my kids were too young (or a combo of too young and too old) and were boys that didn’t ever watch that musical but I feel very badly for this gal watching this. I agree with you that all the comments people said to and about her are just really ignorant. Unfortunately women can be the harshest of other women/girls.
Yes! And what exactly those adult people wanted to achieve by saying that? Wanted to show that they are smarter than 15 yo girl? 😂
I really like that you didn’t do this to shame her or the other girls. You made it to shame the adults who are maliciously speaking about these young ladies at the time. I’m so glad there are laws now to protect them. This is unacceptable for the media and adults to be so mean to young ladies. Thank you for this.
It’s CRAZY how everyone cared she was naked but not how those photos could literally be CP!!!!
You’re most likely, highly possible, part of a crime and everyone is more worried about what she shaved/didn’t shave, “proof” of how hot or not she was, and who she was sending it to.
I felt so bad for Vanessa, and what’s worse? It was such common thinking. No one cared how it happened, who leaked what, who it was intended for, the issue is it existed and it happened. I think everyone knew with how the Pam incident went down years before, none of these females would be respected or cared for. I remember going to a back yard pool party for a neighbor and the birthday girl was turning 14, so puberty is starting to hit which means things are starting to swell, and one of the boys who was invited successfully untied the birthday girl’s bikini top. She was the one who got punished, not the boy who forced her clothes off.
Even to this day with this whole feminism, woke, sexual liberation, etc, it still makes me weary or second guess what to wear.
Edit: On top of that, if you had Vanessa Merch, like a HSM bag with her face on it while these “scandals” were happening, you would also be bullied. At least in my area, the fact I was 14-15 myself, I was also surrounded with kids my age with the mentality of not even knowing what a period was, and the time this was happening, you would get bullied relentlessly. And kids are mean when they want to be- the bullying got so bad in our area, specifically in schools, that absolutely NO HSM MERCH (whether it had Vanessa’s face or not) was allowed because too many girls were getting attacked, targeted, having items stolen or thrown at them, trying to have their clothes forcefully lifted to expose something or take an article of clothing completely off with no consent just to mimic Vanessa’s photos because clearly if you liked HSM you supported that behavior. Again, this is at least from my personal experience and witnessing what was happening in my environment. I hope it wasn’t this bad everywhere.
I’m glad we’re progressing and showing sympathy nowadays. At least in Vanessa’s case she easily could have been a victim of CP, which again cannot be understated enough that CP is a vile crime, and instead of helping her, people mocked her for it and tried getting more.
@Diana H it says she was underage in this video...
@Diana H she was probably 14-15 when the photos were taken
I remember being bullied for wearing hsm merch in middle school, I never really knew why.
@@ayelmqo yeah publicly I never went out in my HSM stuff. I would only use that when I’m home or around my family like I would use the HSM tote I had for sleepovers at my cousins. Even when I would walk out of the car just to walk in their house which isn’t even a minute, I would flip the bag around so you couldn’t see the HSM side- only the blank plain black side would show. I was honestly scared to let anyone in public see me with HSM.
@Diana H Doesn't matter either way it is illegal. She was 18 barely an adult and still considered a teenager to most
crazy how the media shamed miley for having a sheet covering her but praised a topless zach efron
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The daughter just parroting the phrase “little tramp” from her mother shows that that MOTHER needs to be a better role model for HER daughter.
Women shouldn’t judge other women so damn harshly
Yeah I know this is an old comment but you're right. A lot of the hate was adult women hating on kids for not being a good enough role model for their kid! Parents are still doing that today. It's ridiculous. If a kid has great parents who are role models for them it doesn't matter what any celebrity or influencer does or doesn't do. It's not going to affect them because they have their parents as the main role model. Those parents need to focus on being better themselves
Billy Ray's support of his daughter is top tier and not appreciated enough fr.
I have so much empathy for her. To go through this at beginning of the whole “nude” phenomenon, not only as a famous person but as a Disney star with millions of children fans. I could not have imagined going through that.
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The amount of slut shaming of teen girls is so heart breaking. I lived through these times but don’t remember it being so brutal for these women.
i remember it was wild, how people laughed at Britney Spears when she gone "crazy" when she literally had mental breakdown, people were cruel. Miley natural photoshoot was so talked over.
It's crazy how anti sexuality or even just nudity people can be. I wish people wouldn't be scandalized or excited by such things. Wish people could just be like it's not meant for me, no interest, it's not a big deal, and ignore it. I'm glad things are changing for the better still
For adults, I completely agree, but children are already oversexualized and they need to be shown that these things aren't appropriate for their age. Part of that is controlling who their role models are, and when their role models slip up explaining it to them and making sure they understand what they did wrong.
This has a lot to do with the overt Christianity of this country and the way in which it has demonized women and fem -presenting people in every way. I'm native descent and when we were forced to convert to Christianity, one of the many harmful things that Christianity pushes is "purity culture", mostly aimed at young women and fem -presenting people. It's sad and disgusting, to be honest...
Idk how I feel abt teaching a kid to think that their role model made a mistake if their images were leaked without consent.
Kids can be taught why certain things are only legal for adults to do. I don’t really get why it’s not age appropriate to tell them that something isn’t age appropriate for them.
You could explain that some adults choose to send these photos but if you do it under 18 it is a crime.
This seems like a great time to talk about boundaries and privacy, and explain exactly why the person who shared their role model’s private photos did something not only illegal but harmful.
I don’t think this is in contrast with the need to protect children from sexual imagery or vulgarity, but it does leave less for a kid to try and figure out on their own.
And it’s specifically towards girls. You can only be the Madonna/whore complex and you’re seen as good (by men/patriarchy) if you’re not in charge of your sexuality and somehow men and other women can take or name you bad
I don't think that's a good idea from a child protection/exploitation point of view.
There is also way more pressure on teenage girls to appear sexualized, so it's hard to know how much is purely what they genuinly want to do. Also children pushed to do things they don't fully understand, for the benifit of adults.
The live & let live attitude is a nice thought but it's more nuanced than that & negligence breeds abuse.
I have new respect for Miley after seeing that clip. I truly can't imagine how lonely you would feel as a teen having the entire world demonizing and laughing at you for something out of your control. You're already so self conscious at that age. Miley's words to the press must have meant so much to Vanessa when she heard them.
Same. I already loved Miley, but after seeing that clip, I have even more love for her. What an amazing woman
Miley has always been a genuine human being
@@evap.5121yes! what’s time stamp so i can go back to it
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Poor baby I wish I could give Vanessa a hug. She was so graceful about the entire thing. So much love to her.
I would like to see those “adults” shaming and bullying these teen girls for profit; to publicly come out and apologize for bullying and traumatizing these girls! There needs to be accountability for the pain these instigators have caused. It almost feels illegal the way they bullied these girls. Also SHAME on Dane Cook!
Y'all's editing is always crazy like wtf 🔥🔥🔥