Thank you Joel, for being faithful to the Word. I am 67, for almost 50 years I have been reading my bible. At 18 years of age I was given a Schofield bible and told many things that never truly set in my heart. Shame on me for not digging deeper earlier, but I never got hooked. In these last days things are getting clearer.
Thank you brother. I also feel like everything is 'at the doors' right now, and whatever time we have left to get our hearts, minds and mentality right for the days ahead is truly short. Part of my prayer every day is: "Father, do not let me fall away, do not let my love grow cold, and do not let my brothers and sisters fall away when they become offended at what will come." I am so glad that you exposed that heretic at the end. I came across one of his videos years ago and was sickened by his outright arrogant and cocky attitude.
Your’re not alone in this fight brother Joel, I was banned at my church simply because they consider that posttribs are heretics, and that they’re misleading people, they took my position as girl’s ministry leader away 😢 It’s being very hard on me! but I thank God that he opened up my eyes to this reality!! And that this is nothing compared to the challenges we’ll be facing a head!
Stand strong. Scripture tells us there will be endtimes deceivers. Challenge them with Scripture and you are an enemy. Stand strong on the Word of God. I left my last church because that's all they spoke of. That horrible "Could be tonight...any moment...God wouldn't beat up his bride." Etc etc etc. It's horrible. Because Did we not see what Jesus went thru? Isaiah 53:10 "Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him: He hath put him to grief..." And then the Disciples. Jesus tells them in Acts 1:8 that they would be witnesses for him, witness is Martyr in Greek. Who are they fooling? We are the Elect of Matthew 24 and Tribulation is not God's Wrath. We are gathered together unto Christ in Rev 6 between v13-14 but before v17 when the great day of His Wrath is come. But they are hearing not Jesus's voice ..but another's voice. If we have the Indwelling Holy Spirit...shouldn't we all understand the same verses? Stay Strong. You are Blessed to see truth that's blinded to many. 📖🌷✝️
Please finish the Revelation series!! 🙏🙏. I’ve been studying and watching them, and I was given an opportunity to go thru Revelation with my Sunday school class. Between the Daniel series and the Revelation series, I’ve been able to point brothers and sisters to a more complete and biblical view of the coming days….waiting to drop the doozy of pretrib error until the very end. But please finish it soon! :) In the meantime, I’m going thru the Islamic Antichrist and Heaven by Randy Alcorn….the deep study has been an absolute blessing in my faith, charged to begin doing and to begin humbling myself before the Lord to endure. God bless you brother!
100% agree! It’s amazing that certain members of my family have been so protective of the fact that we are saved by faith and not by works, yet they’ve flat out said people will be saved in a different way during the Tribulation due to the dispensation of the church having passed. If the Bible describes the Gospel as “everlasting”, how can they justify saying the Gospel changes?
YOU AREN'T SAVED BY WORKS, WTH? YOU ARE SAVED BY BELIEF IN JESUS AS GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. NOT A SWIMMING POOL, NOT A LOUD PASTOR, NOT BY A DOVE, BUT BY BELIEVING JESAUS IS GODS SON.
@@misfitty-vd6kv exactly. We save by faith and faith alone (though faith without works is dead). The logic behind many dispensational teachers to justify a pre-tribulational rapture is maddening.
Amen Joel!! This is a wonderful concise message of the TRUTH. I totally AGREE with what you are saying here. The Lord will greatly bless you for serving HIM instead of yourself and what people want to hear! Keep preaching these hard truths. It is vital that people see them in the true light of God's word! Thanks again brother Joel for your wonderful uplifting teaching! Your reward will be great!
We love you brother Joel!! I You’re simply a voice that God has raised in this days, to open the eyes of the church so it can be prepared for what’s ahead, and the devil is mad about that’s it! Pre trib doctrine will die off as we get closer to the return of our lord!!! ❤ Thanks so much for your time brother ❤️ I have learned tremendously with you!!
Thank you Joel. I am becoming more unpopular in my church and friends’ circles too. I am praying that some major influencers come to the truth regarding PTR as well as the false doctrine of OSAS. Let’s pray for the SkyWatchTV folks and all their affiliates to come to understand the truth and the courage to proclaim it. And the big names on TV with the mega churches. One major person could have so much impact. More than my puny little self. I can’t even get my grown children to listen.
So thankful for those who teach the truth of the scriptures... I was basically "excommunicated" from mainstream Christianity here in the Southern US because of my beliefs in a post-tribulation rapture...
Yes Tim. Praise God FAI teaches truth of the Word. Most believers I encounter are not open to hearing the truth about the deceitful teaching about a pre-trib rapture. They argue. So I don't engage in a debate. I suggest there re read scripture and point them to FAI. Sadly their minds are closed on the topic.
@DebraFrieden-pn6ci you are so right. I was decieved for 40 years! Kinda like in the dessert. After carefully reading the scriptures no where does it teach pre-trib rapture. NO WHERE👈 THANKS to the HOLY SPIRIT my eyes where opened!
@@johnlenox5036I was 20 yrs in a church that never mentioned anything about anything end time. I didn't know anything about it except that the people mostly believed for PTR. I read the LEFT BEHIND books so did see how that worked and I heard the debates over this. So in 2017 I had left my church few years prior and I suddenly knew we were very close . So I figured it was time to make a stand on it. I read all the verses about THAT DAY of Jesus's coming and my 1st reaction was "why can't that be all one event? I don't see a 7 yr gap or a separate taking away or anything I had heard from anyone talking about pre trib. So I saw it immediately but it took more years before the veil was pulled all the way back and I could defend it. This is a MAJOR STRONGHOLD in the church. They need the truth.
Tim... we all have that same story. We all have lost friends when we began to speak Bible truth. Its crazy to think about how deceived the church is about the truth. For me it was many things but I have gotten into some major battles over PTR. The church just refuses to see the words on the page. I ask everyone I cross to prove it scripturally cuz they all say pre trib is right but none use scripture to back it up. Of course they do use the main one.... not appointed to wrath and Rev 3.10 being kept from hour of trial. It's a crazy thing to be in truth when the majority of church is not. It's very lonely. But i rejoice we have been shown truth.
Excellent teaching brother Joel!!! You are fearless, faithful and consistent! Thank you for loving the truth like you do!!! THANK YOU FOR THE WARNING!!! We are in a discussion with one of our pastors over this video. Prayers please. Again, THANK YOU for all that you do!!!!! Abundant Blessings!!!!!
Replacement theology runs deep, from eschatology, believing the law has been abolished, etc. In its entirety, it has created a divided God and kingdom. Idolatry. The “haves and have nots”....& NONE of this is of God and His Word. Age of Deception has been growing roots for a long time!
Thanks Joel for these teachings. I’ve always had this belief. Soon after my conversation while serving in the US Coast Guard in Key West, FL in 1977. (Great place to be saved!) I began reading the Bible. Especially the book of Revelation. I thought wow, it going to be tough for us believers in Jesus during that time. It was very natural and plain to see this. I shared it with some people in church(5th St Baptist Church, Key West) and they freaked out. They told me I was wrong. They said we will all be out of here before that. I said show me in the Scriptures. They gave me Rev.4:1. I replied you’re kidding, right? Then, gave me a Hal Lindsay book - The Late Great Planet Earth and a couple of others. Mark you’re wrong, we are right, etc. So refreshing to hear you and others teach on the whole truth from God’s Word on this subject. By the way, how does this work out when you speak at Perry’s Conferences? Must be a bit frustrating. Keep on trucking for Jesus and the whole counsel of God’s Word!
Mark... I also remember when someone told me Rev 4.1 was the rapture of the church. After I got over my shock I almost burst out laughing. How can it be that they see do much that is so obviously clear? John is being told to come up so he can be shown events. How can they misinterpret this so badly. They literally have to make this stuff up. Lol It's SO SAD!!
@@prov2.3-5i spent months listening to teaching on dispensationalism because I knew it was attached to PTR. I listened to so many messages and walked away from them all so angry and frustrated because I knew it was a lie but the teaching was so darn complicated I couldn't figure out what they were saying. No one has taught dispensationalism in a way that it's understandable... until this mesaage from Joel. I think they do it on purpose so no one sees the lie it is.
Some time ago God asked me a question. Are you more special then any of my children before you? I answered no. Then He said why do my children today think they are? Immediately His children from the first century especially under nero came to mind and I became so sad in my heart. The ones tortured and killed under nero were going through tribulation and now we think we are more special so that God would take us out of that? Such is a doctrine of devils. Of All the bothers and sisters in Christ that have endured tribulation and died for the gospel I am no more special. Peace!
@@Over-for-now no, you deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ when you start making new Gospels up, Paul said that if anyone preached any other gospel, let him be accursed.
Can y’all imagine the people who will fall away after believing the pretrib rapture and having to go through the tribulation period?! The movie “Left Behind” I believe is a dangerous and evil. I once believed pre-trib but as a hound person it never set well with me. 52 now and have purposes in my heart to pray for Gods strength for me and my loved ones. Especially our children. I fear for them so much. Trusting Abba!!!
Thank you Joel. Yes, it is interesting to note that the Greek word "ecclesia" appears frequently in the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament), so the argument that the "ecclesia" refers to some entirely new thing called church that was invented in the New Testament is simply untrue. We are indeed grafted into and not a replacement of the original tree.
Thank you for this explanation I have shared with my adult daughters I appreciate you I brought my girls up in a church that believed in pre trib rapture But specifically through your teachings in which made since I now believe this has to be right! Why do we think we won’t have to endure tribulation ? Jesus endured so so much more for us and he was the only one who would have deserved to be raptured up with no pain and suffering
Thank you! I'm was glad to see you mention Robert Breaker as he has become a major influence on YT. As many followers as he has personally, I think his loyal followers' channels are reaching so many more people. They all quote the same verses without context of surrounding scripture and will defend it using each other as "proof" and some become very nasty when someone even dares to question their teachings. I have been driven over the last year to leave comments to encourage others to read the entire chapter where their favorite verses are in order to get the full context and to pray for clarity. I also try to discourage the elitist attitudes and aggressive name calling between those who disagree on certain details. I try to choose my words carefully and not push my beliefs because I'm no expert or Bible scholar. I just want others to consider the possibility that the pre-trib rapture might not be the right interpretation and to treat each other with respect. I can't get my little message to their subs if they block me, so I pray for the right words to plant the seeds for everyone to test all teachings they're exposed to against the Bible itself.
You're a better disciple than me. I do get a tiny bit snarky after being told repeatedly to "Pray that the Holy spirit will guide you to rightly divide the word." I end up saying something like, "We are to rightly divide the word, not divide and conquer it." Or, "Divide the Word, not slash it to ribbons."
My problem with dispensationalism is this. How do the Tribulation Saints get saved in the first place? At my old church, I was taught that The Holy Spirit is The Restariner and will be taken outta the way before the tribulation, this is why The Saints peace out, when the spirit goes the body will follow. If no Holy Spirit during The Tribulation, how then will Tribulation Saints become born of The Spirit? 🤔
@lesliesmith8877 I have been coming to that conclusion myself. I have heard several different ideas, though. I've heard some say the restrainer is Satan because he works against the antichrist being revealed because he knows it's over at that point. They get this point from one of Paul's epistles when he speaks on the "mystery" of iniquity and the man of lawlessness. However, I am more inclined to the archangel Michael theory myself.
FAI don't teach that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit, which surprised me when I heard Dalton Thomas teaching on this. But that is what I have been taught also and therefore there would not be any conversions to Christ post rapture. There are so many holes in this belief.
If the Holy Spirit gets removed from anywhere then He is not God. So obviously that is a false statement. It must mean something else, like the Holy Spirit living inside of the people who call Jesus Lord. So then it becomes those who are Christians and filled with the Holy Spirit are taken out of the way, and all you have left on the planet is the wicked. There is no righteousness left to push back on the woke ideology that is engulfing the planet. So they take over. And that is why people who are identified as Christians after they take over the planet are hunted down and killed. Makes a lot of sense to me. IF they could kill the Christians today, they would do it, but something is restraining them.
Great massage. I have always been undecided and torn between the two theories and have tried to look at both sides with no bias. I've stood on a neutral ground on this topic for a long time. I love the Lord and just prayed to be worthy whether pre - or post-trib. "BUT" I've always felt in my heart that pre tribulation view was too good to be true, and you know what they say that if something sounds too good to be true, then it usually is. It's a bit of an ear tingler, and I don't like how they, "pre-tribbers," say ,"Well, I won't be here." Isn't that a bit self-righteous? We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. There is not one better than the other. NOT ONE.. The church is divided over this topic. I also don't like the way they manipulate the word to fit their view. It causes confusion. Division and confusion are tactics of the enemy... Thanks again for this really decisive breakdown on warning how this is another gospel and how heretical and dangerous it is ... There are millions that are deceived. I pray for them. I now KNOW where I stand, God bless ✌️
I totally agree Joel haven’t been pre-trib anyway. Many believe through the scripture alone why they separate it ‘Jacobs trouble’ thinking there referencing ‘Israel’ and also the doctrine of imminence that’s what I find they use
Thank you Joel! This was motivating and inspiring, keep up the good work. Such great information here. May God bless you, I hope you wife is getting better as well!
Read Ezekiel chapter 13 concerning Father’s thoughts about diviners like Darby and his false message of salvation. God specifically sites the ‘fly away’ doctrine.
A few years ago I listened a bit to Robert B but found that I couldn’t agree with many things. I had found FAI because I walked away from Pre-trib and Dispensationalisim. I also walked away from Amir, Jan Markel and Hibbs due to their over focus on the pre - Tribulation.
Joel, love the teaching. I'm writing an essay on Penty Eschatology, and I would like to reference the Breaker video - but I can't find it. Please could you pin the link in the comments, or as a subtitle the video clip? I can't bear to watch anymore of his videos😂
I wonder what the most important truths that we as the church need to hear and do to be unified together and be most affective in giving Jesus to a lost and dying world?
Joel, this was a great teaching. Unfortunately, I used to follow the Pretrib view for years, but did not follow their view of dispenational salvation. It's one thing to have a different view of the rapture, but a different gospel is another. The Pretrib view is just not Biblical. I follow most of Prewrath PostTrib view. My eyes are opened and I could never go back to Pretrib teaching. God bless you and thank you Brother!
So many Pre tribbers say…..on the way up, I will be saying I told you so…… My response …….I will be praying for you during the tribulation when your still here..😊
Gosh... I've heard that so many times - It's almost as though believing in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is the preparation and qualification for going up in the Rapture. (Which I've never been able to find in Scripture anywhere) and when you tell them that there is No Pre-Tribulation Rapture... Their immediate response is "You don't believe in the Rapture?" I do believe in the Rapture... But not before the 7 years... It is Just before the Wrath of God is poured out in the seven Bowls of Wrath
polskigirl8547, "...I told you so..." That betrays a lot about the people who say that to you. They are showing that, to them it is all about being right, not about the truth, not even about God. Just their own pride.
Great teaching. I’ve heard dispensational preachers say that the “Gospel of the Cross” is different from the “Gospel of the Kingdom”. And that the Gospel of Cross is preached to gentiles in this age… and that the Gospel of the Kingdom will be once again preached to Israel during the Tribulation. They are both ONE and the same. The way that one would present the Gospel to a Jew who was familiar with the Law & the Prophets, and the promise of a Kingdom on Earth would be different from how one would present the Gospel to a pagan gentile who had absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of those things. They were simply two presentations of the same Gospel.
Well said! And different people explain the gospel in different ways simply because we're individuals. I've explained this to many Dispensators, but alas, it's to no avail.
My oh my! Just this year alone, some are now teaching the Tribulation Saints won't even have the HOLY SPIRIT to help them bc the HOLY SPIRIT leaves earth when the church is "raptured"... 😮 I shutdown my Bible Study class bc of 2 heretics trying to take over & teach a different gospel. 😢😮😢
I agree with most everything you said here Joel. I hope I am not misunderstanding you, but the only thing I may disagree with here, is that scripture says that faith without works is dead. So I do believe faith in the blood of Christ being able to put away sins forever is first and foremost, we still are accountable to obey Jesus. “If you love me, keep my commandments” elsewhere it is stated, “to whom much is given much is expected”. The things God has taught us through the Holy Spirit, such as keeping the 10 commandments not just to the letter of the law, but as Christ elevated them, to the spiritual standards, is a responsibility that I cannot and must not neglect. Thank you brother Joel for your teachings and your passion for the truth. God bless you and Maranatha
This distinction of the Gospel is interesting in light of the idea that regardless of what you think about eschatology we can still unite around the gospel. If you are teaching dispensationalism then we can't unite around the same gospel and what we say about eschatology does matter.
There's many times in the bible to be aware : for there will be many who claim they are Jesus , if they claim Jesus is over he's not , so unless we keep looking for the signs and repeat what We are supposed to be looking for in the moon, stars, sun thank you for your teaching and everyone must remember NO one has ever seen God , people have seen his son Jesus.
Joe eres una gran bendicion para el cuerpo de Cristo...muy ungidos todas tus enseñanzas sobre escatologia Biblica...pretrib is misleading and deceiving
Hey joel. Im sorry you've lost friends because of THIS teaching. I was surprised to hear that, even tho ive lost my CHRISTIAN friends for speaking up for the actual truth in scripture. So glad you mentioned Breaker cuz i have found my spirit really doesnt sit well during his teaching but ive not dug into him enough to understand why he's wrong (except PTR) Ive missed some of the messages this summer so i apologize if you have addressed Rev 3.10 verse so often used as a defense for PTR. Could tell me what is meant by the phrase I WILL KEEP YOU FROM THE HOUR OF TRIAL which Pre tribbers use to prove we are not here. I suspect the truth is in the original word for KEEP. Thanks much
Rev 3 :10 that you will be kept from the hour of testing, can mean being sheltered as in Lot and Noah, who remained on the earth. The verse definitely does not imply you will be raptured out before the tribulation. Implying isn't fact.
@@logiciskey7 this is how I have taken the verse also. That we are gonna have to trust God to keep us thro it all. I just wanted a better understanding of the Greek word for KEEP to prove it. Thanks so much for your input... it did confirm what I thought. But it is interesting when you hear pre tribbers use these verses in their defense. I've figured out that there is a spirit on them when they speak these verses and phrases for I suddenly feel confused and then I can't explain what I already know about the verse. This happened every time I spoke to a certain friend for I was post and he was pre and we'd go Thro the same Scriptures over and over and I'd get confused. Then I'd be at home later and suddenly I'd know what he just said was wrong. I've encountered this all over now.... from classes teaching revelation to pre tribbers arguing on line. They are under a spirit of confusion and it's spreads to us in the moment. I'll have to remember to pray against that next time.
Good message Joel!! I wonder if the reason for their false belief that there will be "another gospel" is because they think the Holy Spirit will be completely removed with the "pre trib" rapture? [another false belief].
Yeah the Holy Spirit can't be removed from anywhere otherwise HE is not God. So it must mean that the restrainer being taken out of the way refers to people who have the Holy Spirit living inside of them. That makes more sense. The Holy Spirit has to be involved on the planet still to orchestrate the Tribulation and make sure everything goes according to Gods word.
@@seanc2788 So, the Bible says that people need other PEOPLE to tell them, to explain, to show them the word. We are commanded to guard and guide the new believers; and there are very dire warnings against doing anything to damage the faith of a new believer. Does it really sound like, during the greatest deception EVER and during the famine for the Word of God, and during a time when becoming a Christian will cost you your life, that millions will come to faith WITHOUT a single, solitary seasoned believer to help them? Do not all of the parables show that God would never leave the world without his witnesses?
@@stephenszucs8439 That is why God raises 144k Messianic Jews to go throughout all the world to preach the gospel. Remember that God originally wanted the Jews to bring the message of Salvation to the Gentiles? But they rejected him instead and went the other direction. Well guess what, during the Tribulation, God actually fulfills that by removing all the existing Christians, and raising up this group to be responsible for going into all the world to preach the gospel. That's another great reason why Christians are removed before, because God wants his original purpose to be fulfilled. Study better and you will connect more dots. Challenge what you think you know. The two witnesses are specifically for the nation of Israel to convert. They are stationed for 3.5 years at the Temple Mount while the third temple is being constructed. They preach about all the Old Testament connections between the symbolic rituals the priests perform and how all of that points to Christ. This is the during the first 3.5 years of the Tribulation, while Israel is living safely in their land, and constructing the Temple. This is before the Anti-Christ goes into the Temple to declare himself to be worshipped at the mid-point of the Tribulation. Then all the Jews are scattered from the land because Satan possesses the Anti-Christ and turns his war on them to wipe them out. But God supernaturally protects them for the second 3.5 years in Petra. But it is there, that the message of the two witnesses sinks in and they begin the repentance process. God doesn't need the church after the age of grace. It's all about the Jews during the 7 year Tribulation. And all the Gentiles that convert during that period is simply because God is long suffering and he wants as many of them to repent and come to Christ as well. They doubted before the rapture, but after that they will come to Christ through the witness of the 144k. That is why in Rev 7 those two groups are discussed together. The 144k get the credit for their salvation (not the church). Lots to learn.
Keep preaching it, Brother! Mr. Breaker preaches a false gospel and has made many false predictions in the timing of the rapture; he is a false teacher that is anathema! I pray he repents.
Cmon joel Darby says they aren't our brothers they're tribulation saints, smh I'd love to know how anyone gets saved if the church and the spirit is removed from the earth.
It is at the midpoint of the trib that Satan is cast down to the earth. There he is then called "the accuser of our brethren." He can only accuse those who are still alive and on the earth. So they are indeed referred to as "our brethren."
The subtexts of Mat24:31 and 1Cor15:52 and 1Tes4:16, are pointing to one another as a confirmation of one and the same coming of theLord: afterTrib. ThankU Joel. LordJesus helpUsAll.
Revelation 20 5 First Resurrection Revelation 20 15 second Resurrection 1 thessalonians 4 First Resurrection 1 Corinthians 15 second Resurrection The church was never promised the thousand year reign of Jesus Daniel 12 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,some to everlasting Life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times, four Verses after the Last day Revelation 21 4 God wipes away the bride's tears
Revelation 20 5 First Resurrection Revelation 20 15 second Resurrection 1 thessalonians 4 First Resurrection 1 Corinthians 15 second Resurrection The church was never promised the thousand year reign of Jesus Daniel 12 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,some to everlasting Life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times, four Verses after the Last day Revelation 21 4 God wipes away the bride's tears
@@squirreljones3595I would ask you to explain a bit better what you said pls. how can Rev 20.15 be the 2nd resurrection when it talks about throwing them into the fire? I've understood Rev 20.5 to mean the unsaved. The rest of the dead= those who are left after the resurrection of the saints in christ. Dan 12.2 .. same thing. Of those who have died the believers in God raised to life and unbelievers raised for hell Why do you say 1 cor 15 is the 2nd resurrection... we are changed at his 2nd coming when meeting him in the air in this age. I think the church is promised to be with Christ in the millennial. What would any crowns be for... and what would ruling and reigning be about if the whole church isn't with him in Millennial? The reference of John 6 last day... are you implying to mean the last day of 1000 yr reign is the LAST day? Cuz it seems to be saying the last day of THIS AGE. OT references for the day of the Lord is referring to the last day of THIS AGE. The 1000 yr reign is another age and isn't talked about except to say ruling and reigning with him in the millennial age.
@@destinycoach5 Revelation 7 14 Saints get white robes Revelation 19 8 The bride of CHRIST gets Fine linen clean and white There's no Bible Verses that promise the church/bride white robes or the thousand year reign of Jesus The thousand year reign of Jesus is promised to the saints that overcome the Mark of the beast Dead in CHRIST rise First Dead in CHRIST means saints that overcome the Mark of the beast Revelation 20 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his Mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with CHRIST a thousand years
@@squirreljones3595 1 Cor 15 is also referring to the first resurrection (of believers), and not to the second resurrection when unbelievers will be resurected to receive judgement at the great white throne of God.
I agree, we have been deceived most of our lives until we opened our hearts and ask the Lord for discernment. Most churches are still teaching false doctrine.
@@EPH113 John 3:16-21 [16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19]And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20]For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21]But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Thank you for speaking the truth, Joel. I am so worried by the way the pre-trib is taught as truth. How many are going to be lost because of their blind belief in this erroneous teaching? I pray the Lord will bless your words and that many people will have their minds opened to the real truth of the gospel and will prepare themselves for the 70th week of Daniel, which all of the saved must endure if they have not been removed by death prior to the time.
Precisely! The idea that 144,00 Jews, having just been saved at the rapture, could now evangelize and assist God's people in understanding how to grow up into their faith. Such balderdash. But when you mention this to a Dispensator, they simply sneer.
I know it was mostly a tangent, but I enjoyed hearing the teaching about how Old Testament saints and New Testament saints are part of the same body of Christ, also known as the Commonwealth of Israel, or simply the Church, which is a spiritual entity comprised of all people, whether Jew or Gentile, who have faith in the Messiah. This doesn't mean that the Church has replaced ethnoterritorial Israel - it still has specific promises that will be fulfilled by God - but that Gentile Christians have been grafted into the Abrahamic olive tree. On a more relevant, topical point, regarding the note in the Scofield Reference Bible about the "Tribulation gospel", the _New_ Scofield Reference Bible has corrected that big error. Also, revised and progressive dispensationalists have long since abandoned the unbiblical view that salvation was by works in the Old Testament and through faith in the New Testament. Most modern dispensationalists have realized that the Law was never intended to be a vehicle of salvation; it was intended to be a shadow of the Messiah and an instrument of blessing and obedience.
I've actually heard breaker say if he can't enter the kingdom in his body without being glorified, he would feel ripped off and he doesn't want that, WWWWWOOOOOWWWWW, I NEVER HEARD SUCH A RIDICULOUS HERETIC STATEMENT. THAT ACTUALLY WAS MY LAST TIME WATCHING HIM. I used to let his pretrib statements cause I enjoy his stress on judgment and the blood but geez, some statements can't go ignored.
I don't agree with brother Breakers views on the end times....but to his credit I once put a prayer request in for my Dad (his name is Keith and he could really use your prayers) Mr Breaker reached out and inquired about my Dad. I really appreciate him following up with me and he seemed genuinely concerned for my Dad. So I think thats really cool 😎
Thank you so much Joel. I had to go to the app to watch this. The premiere just gave me the spinny wheel. My heart breaks for these pre-tribulationist teachers, who will be held accountable for stumbling the flock. But, they just won’t listen, even when you show from the bible their wrong thinking. I always thought and you confirmed it today that this is leading to heresy! By the grace of God, I pray that these popular teachers have their eyes opened. Anyone who teaches a different gospel than what the apostles taught, are a curse. And whilst I trust the Lord to awaken those who genuinely love Jesus and believe in His death and resurrection, but are being so misled, just as Saul was. I pray that and know that the Lord knows His children. It just goes to show it’s not our works or efforts that change their view or minds. It is purely the working of the Holy Spirit. God merciful and kind, long-suffering and faithful, I pray, you intervene in this heresy. This, I believe is the start of the great apostasy and falling away. Thank you Joel for truth and being strong against adversity, you are an inspiration and truly of God. Maranatha…come Lord Jesus, I yearn and cry for your return. Amen
There is absolutely a separate Resurrection for the church John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times. Jesus is Truth Judgment day is the Last day Revelation 20 shows two Resurrections One is called the First Resurrection One is at the Last day Revelation 21 shows no more days in New Jerusalem Jesus is Truth Keep the Faith
@@squirreljones3595 Two resurrections is biblical. The first resurrection is for those dead in Christ. The second resurrection is at the end of the millennium when the unrighteous are resurrected to judgement. That is biblical and I agree! However, I have no idea what point you are making???
@@debbiewareing1178 OOPS, sorry The thousand year reign of Jesus is promised to the saints that overcome the Mark of the beast Revelation 20 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his Mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with CHRIST a thousand years. Only the saints get white robes Revelation 7 14 The church was never promised white robes or the thousand year reign of Jesus Revelation 19 8 The bride of CHRIST gets Fine linen clean and white John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times. Jesus is Truth Last day means no more days
*OK JOEL! I'VE GOT A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU!!* 👊👊👊👊👊 I actually went and looked up that Robert Breaker fellow you showed a clip of. I watched a few minutes of a couple his videos. _Joel, you owe me some IQ points back, bucko!_ That actually caused me *Daine Bramage.* I don’t know if I should sue for you not including a siezure warning ... or if I should contribute to your ministry for enduring that on our behalf. You really _took one for the team_ on this one. I'll let you know what I decide once the Alprazolam and beers kick in and I can think more clearly.
I completely agree with EVERYTHING you are teaching. Your teaching is exactly what is taught in every Messianic Synagogues that I've attended. It is only the Goyim who are teaching their congregations that they won't go through the Persecution (Tribulation) but the house of Israel will (Even Those of us who are Israeli and are born into the Kingdom - that they themselves are grafted into - and we KNOW that Yeshua is Mashiach) They are truly teaching another Gospel that does not fit the logical framework of Scripture
Without a doubt, 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the only resurrection for the saints on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52). Tribulation saints will be our brothers and sisters. The martyrs will be resurrected at the end of the great tribulation. However, Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37). We won't disappear. The resurrection is for earth. In heaven, we get a heavenly body. Maranatha!
My question is how is there going to be a great multitude of Christians on earth when twice 1/3 of mankind will be horribly wiped out in judgment? Then it says in verse 20 that those who where not killed by these plagues and where still allive did not repeant . If no one is repenting then where is the multitude of Christians because the tribulation is not near done yet? Just a question as i believe He could come at anytime pre mid or post. I just have to be ready to endure and preach the Gospel at all times and to live in the Holy Spirit be ready for anything living for Him Everyday.
, there will be a great revival right after the rapture, and people continue getting saved until the end of the 2nd Woe, which is why Rev 9:20 says nobody repents then. But there won’t be vast numbers of Christians left by that time. In fact, very few will survive to enter the Millennium. Also, the tribulation IS nearly over by that time because the 3rd Woe of 7 Trumpets happens quickly after the 2nd. And before the Trumpets are even over, Satan begins gathering armies to fight Jesus at the Second Coming.
Sounds like a whole bunch of pre-trib people here are really butt hurt the scriptures do not back up their escape goat when Jacobs trouble begins👈💯 it is a waste of time convincing them. Only by prayer the Holy Spirit can 👈💯
Very well said! That there is only ONE BODY of CHRIST, therefore modern day Israel is NOT belonging to that one body, for they still deny Yahshua as their Messiah through whom a believer is born again! Pre-tribulation rapture or not, there is a prophesy in Daniel ch 12, that words would be sealed to the time of the end. This is why earlier church fathers could not possibly teach pre-tribulation rapture... Yahshua had promised that He goes back to the Father to prepare a place for believers in Him, and He is coming back to take His treasured possession. If it involves martyrdom before Hr arrives - so be it, if it is a change in a twinkle of an eye before physical death - Amen to that also. Modern day Israel should harken to the words of their Messiah: "unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins".
konstaninerzykin8155, He said he goes to prepare a place. Did he really say that that place would be Heaven? Where does it say that we will live in Heaven?
@@stephenszucs8439 "Did he really say?" - sounds like a serpent, trying to lead Eve astray, is it not?! Sure He did say that right here: John 14:3 2In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?fn 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. And again right here: John 17:20-22 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, Please, do not forget that whoever denies the Son = does not have the Father!
@@konstantinerzyaykin8155 I did not deny the Father or the Son, nor did I deny what He ACTUALLY said. YOU did not read the entire comment before responding. He is preparing a place. He said that. He did NOT say that we would live in Heaven. He said He will reign from New Jerusalem on the redeemed EARTH. Where he is, there we will be also. He will be on Earth. "I will tabernacle with men," that is, He comes to where we are. Jesus called the Temple, "My Father's House." The Jewish Temple had many rooms, or apartments for the Levites. We will be working in the Kingdom of the LORD on this planet. We will likely have rooms in the New Jerusalem.
"I go to prepare a place for you." Not, I go to Heaven to prepare a place for you, and I will take you to Heaven to live there forever." "I go to prepare a place for you." (I will go away, and I will be preparing a place for you. "I will come again and receive you to myself." Sounds like He comes back here to receive us unto Himself, not a word about taking us to Heaven to be received up there. "In *MY Father's House* are many "Mone." (rooms, dwelling spaces, apartments, mansions) Is it logical to imagine a HOUSE filed with Mansions, or a large House with many rooms or apartments? Now, it does not say that the Father's House is in Heaven. It says He goes there to prepare it, but John then says, in Rev., that he saw the Holy City Jerusalem coming down to earth. Further, the prophesies all say that the redemption of the earth will include the eternal *Tabernacling of God with Men*. In other words, He comes to US. The Bible uses the term, "My Father's House" and "The LORD'S HOUSE" many times. It always refers to the Temple. Temple means a place where a god, or The GOD dwells. Jesus said he will dwell in the New Jerusalem. We will be with him. Here. On earth. There is *nothing* in this passage to even hint at a secret, sudden, silent escape from the planet.
That's correct. First God removes Israel's spiritual allies (church during the rapture). Then he removes their political allies (Red Horse nukes the USA). SO she is left all alone with her Muslim neighbors and the peace treaty made with the Anti-Christ. When that fails half way through the Tribulation, then they realize they have nothing left and that helps to break them down so God can get their attention and save one third.
When you say - the gospel of the kingdom (before the cross) and the gospel of Grace (after the cross and revealed unto Paul) are one and the same - I understand the misunderstanding of scripture here ….
Please explain the following verses from the mouth of Jesus Christ's plain explanation of being born again! so is everyone that is born of the spirit John 3:7-8 (KJV) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is everyone that is born of the Spirit. Thank you sincerely.
I believe the Tribulation will start at the end of this year. I like Robert Breaker and have tried to message him to rethink his teaching about the Rapture. What about John MacArthur, I think is a sound teacher, but he is Pre-Tribulation
Joel, the only question is, during the Great Tribulation, will a born again believer in Christ forfeit his salvation if he worship the image of the beast or receive the mark of the beast?
I believe the answer is "yes", because of Rev.14:9-11 & Rev.19:20 & Rev20:4. I deduced from these verses that the believers alive during the Great Tribulation will have to be willing to lay down their lives as they will be executed because they refuse to worship the image of the beast.
@@poplap9241 I agree. The scriptures are so strong in the warnings against taking the Mark, because it will be a conscious rejection of the Lord, similar to the Israelites and the golden calf.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8.) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? 10. Watch the RUclips video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? (See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.) Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period? Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
@@ruthmayforth5933 the church, the body of Christ is and was never a part of any covenants and was only revealed unto Paul via our risen Lord. Matthew 26:28 (KJV) For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. A testament and a covenant are not the same!
I agree with you, Eph 2:14-18, 3:6, Gal 3:6-8, 16, 28-29 are more passages for those searching. I also have come to understand with you that Dan 9:27 is about Jesus, and that covenant is also the New Covenant of Jesus. Part of why this is important is that this verse is the only one to support the “70th week of Daniel” theory, and that there is a 7 year tribulation. Scripture in Dan and Rev is full of a 3.5 y period. At the least, such an important doctrine as a “7 y tribulation” should not be based on an isolated, obscure verse… there would be confirmation of it elsewhere in scripture.
I personally don't like, when teachers curse other teachers by claiming, they are teaching another gospel. ("..to hell!!"). Especially, when it is about some difficult aspects/ details of the bible, in this case eschatology. Paul Washer is going around accusing (cursing) everybody (besides himself and maybe 2 or 3 of his best friends) to teach "another gospel". FAI should not follow that way. It frightens normal people to preach the gospel at all, because they may be unsecure in some theological details, and don't want to get cursed ("...to hell!!") if they get something wrong.
Did Darby[along with Scofield] preach another Gospel? YES! Another human gospel, Not inspired by the Holy Spirit. Look at his personal life too when considering his background. Some even go so far as to say his rigid teaching and following was cult like for many early years, and even now by some.
It IS another gospel, so therefore, they are not true believers. However, do not hate them; hate the lie they believe. Some of them may wake up to the truth. Pray for them, but do not fellowship with them. This walk is a hard and lonely one. Cleave to the Lord and His truth.
So you say they lost their salvation because they believe Christ comes before trib? Where is God's Grace and Mercy? Realize that they Love Jesus and when it starts they will roll up along side us just a little disappointment lol lol and be part of the multitudes. If they truly love Jesus they won't fall for the antichrist.
@@timothynussbaum2688 They can’t lose what they didn’t have in the in the first place. Pre tribulation, premillennialist doctrine is another gospel, another Jesus, while it looks deceptively similar. There is only one truth and that view is not it. The gospel is in all 66 books. Jesus is the central figure and the kingdom message is also a constant. The problem? Most adopt what I like to call a Rodney King Gospel in regards to this; “Go along to get along. The truth is not made up or secondary. The doctrine on premillennialism, pre tribulation, Dispensationalism IS made up. Made popular here in the US in the early 1900’s. John Nelson Darby brought it to light in the late 1800’s. Of note, this is also the time period of which gave birth to Mormonism, seventh day Adventist and other cults masquerading as Christianity. One only needs to look at what happened to the public education system and see the perversion that has entered into it. The same could be said of seminaries and the churches. Satan couldn’t kill Christian’s, so what better way than pervert scripture and lead many astray. The deception is very real. This is what’s been revealed- * Denial of the true nature of the Kingdom * Denial of the true doctrine of grace * Denial of the doctrine of redemption * Denial of who the people of God (the saints) really are both Jew and Gentile * Envisioning a geopolitical kingdom (physical Israel as apposed to the “true Isreal” /heavenly city; described in Genesis * Twisting prophesy to fit their desired narrative * Twisting scriptural truths of the New Testament * Following a fairly new doctrine as truth (believing man instead of God) * Misunderstanding of the true Church
@Narrowminded1440 Are you ammilenial? As far as im I'm concerned, the only big difference between historic pre millenialism and amillenialism is how to interpret the thousand years, which is not so much doctrine but interpretation issue.
@@handles617 I know one thing no matter when in History coming up no matter when it happens. If someone chooses Christ by repentance and Faith they are saved and become part of the church. Hence the tribulation. To bring a lost world to repentance. So more can join the body of Christ . If I have a party and it started and a bunch of friends came on time would I treat any other friends I invited different if they decided to come late. They can still come and be apart . I don't know maybe I am off key. All I know is God loves us and wants us to come to him. Again like the parable of the workers. One comes to work right away and others come later in the day and yet all get paid the same at the end of the day.
@@timothynussbaum2688 I too was once without the truth and followed into Judaism and strange fire (doctrines such as the one in question here). They too may find out the truth, that it’ll be reviled to them through the searching of scripture (being a Berean) with the help of the Helper; the Holy Spirit. All we can do is pray for them.
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Thank you Joel, for being faithful to the Word. I am 67, for almost 50 years I have been reading my bible. At 18 years of age I was given a Schofield bible and told many things that never truly set in my heart. Shame on me for not digging deeper earlier, but I never got hooked. In these last days things are getting clearer.
Thank you brother. I also feel like everything is 'at the doors' right now, and whatever time we have left to get our hearts, minds and mentality right for the days ahead is truly short.
Part of my prayer every day is: "Father, do not let me fall away, do not let my love grow cold, and do not let my brothers and sisters fall away when they become offended at what will come."
I am so glad that you exposed that heretic at the end. I came across one of his videos years ago and was sickened by his outright arrogant and cocky attitude.
Your’re not alone in this fight brother Joel,
I was banned at my church simply because they consider that posttribs are heretics, and that they’re misleading people, they took my position as girl’s ministry leader away 😢
It’s being very hard on me! but I thank God that he opened up my eyes to this reality!!
And that this is nothing compared to the challenges we’ll be facing a head!
Keep your head up! There are other, more like minded churches out there. Much love from Denver!
Stand strong. Scripture tells us there will be endtimes deceivers. Challenge them with Scripture and you are an enemy. Stand strong on the Word of God. I left my last church because that's all they spoke of. That horrible "Could be tonight...any moment...God wouldn't beat up his bride." Etc etc etc. It's horrible. Because Did we not see what Jesus went thru? Isaiah 53:10 "Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him: He hath put him to grief..." And then the Disciples. Jesus tells them in Acts 1:8 that they would be witnesses for him, witness is Martyr in Greek. Who are they fooling? We are the Elect of Matthew 24 and Tribulation is not God's Wrath. We are gathered together unto Christ in Rev 6 between v13-14 but before v17 when the great day of His Wrath is come. But they are hearing not Jesus's voice ..but another's voice. If we have the Indwelling Holy Spirit...shouldn't we all understand the same verses? Stay Strong. You are Blessed to see truth that's blinded to many. 📖🌷✝️
Please finish the Revelation series!! 🙏🙏. I’ve been studying and watching them, and I was given an opportunity to go thru Revelation with my Sunday school class. Between the Daniel series and the Revelation series, I’ve been able to point brothers and sisters to a more complete and biblical view of the coming days….waiting to drop the doozy of pretrib error until the very end. But please finish it soon! :)
In the meantime, I’m going thru the Islamic Antichrist and Heaven by Randy Alcorn….the deep study has been an absolute blessing in my faith, charged to begin doing and to begin humbling myself before the Lord to endure. God bless you brother!
Have you discovered yet how Jewish eschatology, Islamic eschatology and pre-trib actually all over lap perfectly? Or are you still studying that?
100% agree! It’s amazing that certain members of my family have been so protective of the fact that we are saved by faith and not by works, yet they’ve flat out said people will be saved in a different way during the Tribulation due to the dispensation of the church having passed. If the Bible describes the Gospel as “everlasting”, how can they justify saying the Gospel changes?
YOU AREN'T SAVED BY WORKS, WTH? YOU ARE SAVED BY BELIEF IN JESUS AS GODS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON.
NOT A SWIMMING POOL, NOT A LOUD PASTOR, NOT BY A DOVE, BUT BY BELIEVING JESAUS IS GODS SON.
@@misfitty-vd6kv exactly. We save by faith and faith alone (though faith without works is dead). The logic behind many dispensational teachers to justify a pre-tribulational rapture is maddening.
Amen Joel!! This is a wonderful concise message of the TRUTH. I totally AGREE with what you are saying here. The Lord will greatly bless you for serving HIM instead of yourself and what people want to hear! Keep preaching these hard truths. It is vital that people see them in the true light of God's word! Thanks again brother Joel for your wonderful uplifting teaching! Your reward will be great!
We love you brother Joel!!
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You’re simply a voice that God has raised in this days, to open the eyes of the church so it can be prepared for what’s ahead, and the devil is mad about that’s it!
Pre trib doctrine will die off as we get closer to the return of our lord!!! ❤
Thanks so much for your time brother ❤️ I have learned tremendously with you!!
Thank you Joel. I am becoming more unpopular in my church and friends’ circles too.
I am praying that some major influencers come to the truth regarding PTR as well as the false doctrine of OSAS.
Let’s pray for the SkyWatchTV folks and all their affiliates to come to understand the truth and the courage to proclaim it. And the big names on TV with the mega churches. One major person could have so much impact. More than my puny little self. I can’t even get my grown children to listen.
So thankful for those who teach the truth of the scriptures... I was basically "excommunicated" from mainstream Christianity here in the Southern US because of my beliefs in a post-tribulation rapture...
Yes Tim. Praise God FAI teaches truth of the Word. Most believers I encounter are not open to hearing the truth about the deceitful teaching about a pre-trib rapture. They argue. So I don't engage in a debate. I suggest there re read scripture and point them to FAI. Sadly their minds are closed on the topic.
@DebraFrieden-pn6ci you are so right. I was decieved for 40 years! Kinda like in the dessert. After carefully reading the scriptures no where does it teach pre-trib rapture. NO WHERE👈 THANKS to the HOLY SPIRIT my eyes where opened!
@@johnlenox5036I was 20 yrs in a church that never mentioned anything about anything end time.
I didn't know anything about it except that the people mostly believed for PTR.
I read the LEFT BEHIND books so did see how that worked and I heard the debates over this.
So in 2017 I had left my church few years prior and I suddenly knew we were very close .
So I figured it was time to make a stand on it. I read all the verses about THAT DAY of Jesus's coming and my 1st reaction was "why can't that be all one event? I don't see a 7 yr gap or a separate taking away or anything I had heard from anyone talking about pre trib.
So I saw it immediately but it took more years before the veil was pulled all the way back and I could defend it.
This is a MAJOR STRONGHOLD in the church. They need the truth.
Tim... we all have that same story. We all have lost friends when we began to speak Bible truth. Its crazy to think about how deceived the church is about the truth.
For me it was many things but I have gotten into some major battles over PTR. The church just refuses to see the words on the page. I ask everyone I cross to prove it scripturally cuz they all say pre trib is right but none use scripture to back it up.
Of course they do use the main one.... not appointed to wrath and Rev 3.10 being kept from hour of trial.
It's a crazy thing to be in truth when the majority of church is not.
It's very lonely. But i rejoice we have been shown truth.
@@johnlenox5036how did you come to see the truth. And how did you defend PTR? Cuz no one I see actually uses scripture to defend it.
Totally agree Joel, and, by the way, you have encouraged me immensely, because it is so refreshing to hear the truth. Psst, you sir are AWESOME!
Thank you for this. It is clear in encouragement and warning. I pray the Lord continue to strengthen and guide you.
Freudian slip there by Mr Breaker...''I was taught this in Bible school''
Thanks Joel, for continuing to make it as clear as possible. If THAT can't be understood....
Excellent teaching.
Thank you, Joel.
Love this Joel, I had no idea it was this bad, I took notes 😊 great teaching ❤
Thank God for Darby. Scripture is very clear and too many do NOT understand the wonderful truths of comfort for believers
Excellent teaching brother Joel!!! You are fearless, faithful and consistent! Thank you for loving the truth like you do!!! THANK YOU FOR THE WARNING!!! We are in a discussion with one of our pastors over this video. Prayers please. Again, THANK YOU for all that you do!!!!! Abundant Blessings!!!!!
Replacement theology runs deep, from eschatology, believing the law has been abolished, etc. In its entirety, it has created a divided God and kingdom. Idolatry. The “haves and have nots”....& NONE of this is of God and His Word. Age of Deception has been growing roots for a long time!
Thanks Joel for these teachings. I’ve always had this belief.
Soon after my conversation while serving in the US Coast Guard in Key West, FL in 1977. (Great place to be saved!)
I began reading the Bible. Especially the book of Revelation. I thought wow, it going to be tough for us believers in Jesus during that time. It was very natural and plain to see this.
I shared it with some people in church(5th St Baptist Church, Key West) and they freaked out. They told me I was wrong. They said we will all be out of here before that. I said show me in the Scriptures. They gave me Rev.4:1. I replied you’re kidding, right?
Then, gave me a Hal Lindsay book - The Late Great Planet Earth and a couple of others. Mark you’re wrong, we are right, etc.
So refreshing to hear you and others teach on the whole truth from God’s Word on this subject.
By the way, how does this work out when you speak at Perry’s Conferences? Must be a bit frustrating.
Keep on trucking for Jesus and the whole counsel of God’s Word!
Yup. Dispensationalism needs to be “taught.” There is no way someone who has never read the Bible before would get that from reading God’s word.
Mark... I also remember when someone told me Rev 4.1 was the rapture of the church. After I got over my shock I almost burst out laughing.
How can it be that they see do much that is so obviously clear? John is being told to come up so he can be shown events.
How can they misinterpret this so badly. They literally have to make this stuff up.
Lol
It's SO SAD!!
@@prov2.3-5i spent months listening to teaching on dispensationalism because I knew it was attached to PTR.
I listened to so many messages and walked away from them all so angry and frustrated because I knew it was a lie but the teaching was so darn complicated I couldn't figure out what they were saying.
No one has taught dispensationalism in a way that it's understandable... until this mesaage from Joel.
I think they do it on purpose so no one sees the lie it is.
“Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things.”
2 Peter 1:20 NIV
Some time ago God asked me a question. Are you more special then any of my children before you? I answered no. Then He said why do my children today think they are? Immediately His children from the first century especially under nero came to mind and I became so sad in my heart. The ones tortured and killed under nero were going through tribulation and now we think we are more special so that God would take us out of that? Such is a doctrine of devils. Of All the bothers and sisters in Christ that have endured tribulation and died for the gospel I am no more special. Peace!
"there is only one gospel" I couldn't Amen harder, words just do not suffice to how much I agree with that.
Read Romans 16:25
@@Over-for-now yeah, the Gospel Paul preached is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Not multiple gospels. One Gospel, the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
@@Docjam23 Paul was God's chosen vessel to preach the mystery gospel NOT known before. Romans 16:25
@@Docjam23 you deny the Word when you make your own religion. Romans 16:25
@@Over-for-now no, you deny the Gospel of Jesus Christ when you start making new Gospels up, Paul said that if anyone preached any other gospel, let him be accursed.
Can y’all imagine the people who will fall away after believing the pretrib rapture and having to go through the tribulation period?! The movie “Left Behind” I believe is a dangerous and evil. I once believed pre-trib but as a hound person it never set well with me. 52 now and have purposes in my heart to pray for Gods strength for me and my loved ones. Especially our children. I fear for them so much. Trusting Abba!!!
Thank you Joel. Yes, it is interesting to note that the Greek word "ecclesia" appears frequently in the Septuagint (Greek Old Testament), so the argument that the "ecclesia" refers to some entirely new thing called church that was invented in the New Testament is simply untrue. We are indeed grafted into and not a replacement of the original tree.
Great teaching! May it have its desired effect.
Thank you for this explanation I have shared with my adult daughters I appreciate you I brought my girls up in a church that believed in pre trib rapture
But specifically through your teachings in which made since I now believe this has to be right! Why do we think we won’t have to endure tribulation ? Jesus endured so so much more for us and he was the only one who would have deserved to be raptured up with no pain and suffering
People have an innate desire for self-preservation and to avoid pain
That's the entire summary of the gospel. He took your place.
Thank God for HIS absolute sovereignty and dispensations
Thank you! I'm was glad to see you mention Robert Breaker as he has become a major influence on YT. As many followers as he has personally, I think his loyal followers' channels are reaching so many more people. They all quote the same verses without context of surrounding scripture and will defend it using each other as "proof" and some become very nasty when someone even dares to question their teachings. I have been driven over the last year to leave comments to encourage others to read the entire chapter where their favorite verses are in order to get the full context and to pray for clarity. I also try to discourage the elitist attitudes and aggressive name calling between those who disagree on certain details. I try to choose my words carefully and not push my beliefs because I'm no expert or Bible scholar. I just want others to consider the possibility that the pre-trib rapture might not be the right interpretation and to treat each other with respect. I can't get my little message to their subs if they block me, so I pray for the right words to plant the seeds for everyone to test all teachings they're exposed to against the Bible itself.
You're a better disciple than me. I do get a tiny bit snarky after being told repeatedly to "Pray that the Holy spirit will guide you to rightly divide the word." I end up saying something like, "We are to rightly divide the word, not divide and conquer it." Or, "Divide the Word, not slash it to ribbons."
Glad to know I'm not the only person leaving bread crumbs. ❤
My problem with dispensationalism is this. How do the Tribulation Saints get saved in the first place? At my old church, I was taught that The Holy Spirit is The Restariner and will be taken outta the way before the tribulation, this is why The Saints peace out, when the spirit goes the body will follow. If no Holy Spirit during The Tribulation, how then will Tribulation Saints become born of The Spirit? 🤔
I believe the restrainer is the angel Michael who watches over Israel. I would assume FAI holds that view as well.
@lesliesmith8877 I have been coming to that conclusion myself. I have heard several different ideas, though. I've heard some say the restrainer is Satan because he works against the antichrist being revealed because he knows it's over at that point. They get this point from one of Paul's epistles when he speaks on the "mystery" of iniquity and the man of lawlessness. However, I am more inclined to the archangel Michael theory myself.
FAI don't teach that the restrainer is the Holy Spirit, which surprised me when I heard Dalton Thomas teaching on this. But that is what I have been taught also and therefore there would not be any conversions to Christ post rapture. There are so many holes in this belief.
If the Holy Spirit gets removed from anywhere then He is not God. So obviously that is a false statement. It must mean something else, like the Holy Spirit living inside of the people who call Jesus Lord. So then it becomes those who are Christians and filled with the Holy Spirit are taken out of the way, and all you have left on the planet is the wicked. There is no righteousness left to push back on the woke ideology that is engulfing the planet. So they take over. And that is why people who are identified as Christians after they take over the planet are hunted down and killed. Makes a lot of sense to me. IF they could kill the Christians today, they would do it, but something is restraining them.
Great massage. I have always been undecided and torn between the two theories and have tried to look at both sides with no bias. I've stood on a neutral ground on this topic for a long time.
I love the Lord and just prayed to be worthy whether pre - or post-trib. "BUT"
I've always felt in my heart that pre tribulation view was too good to be true, and you know what they say that if something sounds too good to be true, then it usually is. It's a bit of an ear tingler, and I don't like how they, "pre-tribbers," say ,"Well, I won't be here." Isn't that a bit self-righteous? We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. There is not one better than the other. NOT ONE.. The church is divided over this topic. I also don't like the way they manipulate the word to fit their view. It causes confusion. Division and confusion are tactics of the enemy... Thanks again for this really decisive breakdown on warning how this is another gospel and how heretical and dangerous it is ...
There are millions that are deceived.
I pray for them.
I now KNOW where I stand, God bless ✌️
Thank you Joel for helping me know the TRUTH, the one truth.
Received with sincerity 🙏🏻
[Gal 1:8 NKJV] 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Where can I find these teachings listed from beginning to end? I’m jumping in here but I’d like the back teachings. Can someone help?
DARBY WROTE THE SCOFFIELD BIBLE AND EVANGELICALS HAVE USED IT AGAINST US EVER SINCEW.
Keep preaching the truth!
Joel,
Faith in the pre trib hangs in the balance of the false doctrine of Thomas Darby, who more than likely was a 33rd degree Mason
I totally agree Joel haven’t been pre-trib anyway. Many believe through the scripture alone why they separate it ‘Jacobs trouble’ thinking there referencing ‘Israel’ and also the doctrine of imminence that’s what I find they use
Thank you Joel! This was motivating and inspiring, keep up the good work. Such great information here. May God bless you, I hope you wife is getting better as well!
Faith plus works! Now I understand what you meant at the beginning of this video about this doctrine leading to heresy 😢
The real heresy is being taught in most Southern Babtist churches...
Read Ezekiel chapter 13 concerning Father’s thoughts about diviners like Darby and his false message of salvation. God specifically sites the ‘fly away’ doctrine.
A few years ago I listened a bit to Robert B but found that I couldn’t agree with many things. I had found FAI because I walked away from Pre-trib and Dispensationalisim. I also walked away from Amir, Jan Markel and Hibbs due to their over focus on the pre - Tribulation.
Me too, confusing
Try Pastor Allen.
Joel, love the teaching. I'm writing an essay on Penty Eschatology, and I would like to reference the Breaker video - but I can't find it. Please could you pin the link in the comments, or as a subtitle the video clip? I can't bear to watch anymore of his videos😂
I wonder what the most important truths that we as the church need to hear and do to be unified together and be most affective in giving Jesus to a lost and dying world?
Joel, this was a great teaching. Unfortunately, I used to follow the Pretrib view for years, but did not follow their view of dispenational salvation.
It's one thing to have a different view of the rapture, but a different gospel is another.
The Pretrib view is just not Biblical. I follow most of Prewrath PostTrib view.
My eyes are opened and I could never go back to Pretrib teaching.
God bless you and thank you Brother!
So many Pre tribbers say…..on the way up, I will be saying I told you so……
My response …….I will be praying for you during the tribulation when your still here..😊
Gosh... I've heard that so many times - It's almost as though believing in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture is the preparation and qualification for going up in the Rapture. (Which I've never been able to find in Scripture anywhere) and when you tell them that there is No Pre-Tribulation Rapture... Their immediate response is "You don't believe in the Rapture?"
I do believe in the Rapture... But not before the 7 years... It is Just before the Wrath of God is poured out in the seven Bowls of Wrath
polskigirl8547,
"...I told you so..." That betrays a lot about the people who say that to you. They are showing that, to them it is all about being right, not about the truth, not even about God. Just their own pride.
Great teaching. I’ve heard dispensational preachers say that the “Gospel of the Cross” is different from the “Gospel of the Kingdom”.
And that the Gospel of Cross is preached to gentiles in this age… and that the Gospel of the Kingdom will be once again preached to Israel during the Tribulation.
They are both ONE and the same.
The way that one would present the Gospel to a Jew who was familiar with the Law & the Prophets, and the promise of a Kingdom on Earth would be different from how one would present the Gospel to a pagan gentile who had absolutely NO KNOWLEDGE of those things.
They were simply two presentations of the same Gospel.
Well said! And different people explain the gospel in different ways simply because we're individuals. I've explained this to many Dispensators, but alas, it's to no avail.
They add to the scriptures.
My oh my!
Just this year alone, some are now teaching the Tribulation Saints won't even have the HOLY SPIRIT to help them bc the HOLY SPIRIT leaves earth when the church is "raptured"...
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I shutdown my Bible Study class bc of 2 heretics trying to take over & teach a different gospel.
😢😮😢
I agree with most everything you said here Joel.
I hope I am not misunderstanding you, but the only thing I may disagree with here, is that scripture says that faith without works is dead. So I do believe faith in the blood of Christ being able to put away sins forever is first and foremost, we still are accountable to obey Jesus. “If you love me, keep my commandments” elsewhere it is stated, “to whom much is given much is expected”. The things God has taught us through the Holy Spirit, such as keeping the 10 commandments not just to the letter of the law, but as Christ elevated them, to the spiritual standards, is a responsibility that I cannot and must not neglect. Thank you brother Joel for your teachings and your passion for the truth. God bless you and Maranatha
exactly what i said to my wife the other day, pre trib is another gospel.
This distinction of the Gospel is interesting in light of the idea that regardless of what you think about eschatology we can still unite around the gospel. If you are teaching dispensationalism then we can't unite around the same gospel and what we say about eschatology does matter.
Your standing firm on your convictions regardless of what anyone says or does is a testament in itself.
And have the truth on his side helps significantly I'm sure 😊
AMEN!
AMEN!!
There's many times in the bible to be aware : for there will be many who claim they are Jesus , if they claim Jesus is over he's not , so unless we keep looking for the signs and repeat what
We are supposed to be looking for in the moon, stars, sun thank you for your teaching and everyone must remember NO one has ever seen God , people have seen his son Jesus.
Joe eres una gran bendicion para el cuerpo de Cristo...muy ungidos todas tus enseñanzas sobre escatologia Biblica...pretrib is misleading and deceiving
I can testify trying to share this certainly does not make one popular. Having seen the truth however, I cannot now un-see it.
Hey joel.
Im sorry you've lost friends because of THIS teaching. I was surprised to hear that, even tho ive lost my CHRISTIAN friends for speaking up for the actual truth in scripture.
So glad you mentioned Breaker cuz i have found my spirit really doesnt sit well during his teaching but ive not dug into him enough to understand why he's wrong (except PTR)
Ive missed some of the messages this summer so i apologize if you have addressed Rev 3.10 verse so often used as a defense for PTR. Could tell me what is meant by the phrase I WILL KEEP YOU FROM THE HOUR OF TRIAL which Pre tribbers use to prove we are not here.
I suspect the truth is in the original word for KEEP.
Thanks much
Rev 3 :10 that you will be kept from the hour of testing, can mean being sheltered as in Lot and Noah, who remained on the earth. The verse definitely does not imply you will be raptured out before the tribulation.
Implying isn't fact.
@@logiciskey7 this is how I have taken the verse also. That we are gonna have to trust God to keep us thro it all. I just wanted a better understanding of the Greek word for KEEP to prove it.
Thanks so much for your input... it did confirm what I thought. But it is interesting when you hear pre tribbers use these verses in their defense. I've figured out that there is a spirit on them when they speak these verses and phrases for I suddenly feel confused and then I can't explain what I already know about the verse. This happened every time I spoke to a certain friend for I was post and he was pre and we'd go Thro the same Scriptures over and over and I'd get confused. Then I'd be at home later and suddenly I'd know what he just said was wrong. I've encountered this all over now.... from classes teaching revelation to pre tribbers arguing on line. They are under a spirit of confusion and it's spreads to us in the moment.
I'll have to remember to pray against that next time.
Good message Joel!! I wonder if the reason for their false belief that there will be "another gospel" is because they
think the Holy Spirit will be completely removed with the "pre trib" rapture? [another false belief].
Yeah the Holy Spirit can't be removed from anywhere otherwise HE is not God. So it must mean that the restrainer being taken out of the way refers to people who have the Holy Spirit living inside of them. That makes more sense. The Holy Spirit has to be involved on the planet still to orchestrate the Tribulation and make sure everything goes according to Gods word.
@@seanc2788 So, the Bible says that people need other PEOPLE to tell them, to explain, to show them the word. We are commanded to guard and guide the new believers; and there are very dire warnings against doing anything to damage the faith of a new believer. Does it really sound like, during the greatest deception EVER and during the famine for the Word of God, and during a time when becoming a Christian will cost you your life, that millions will come to faith WITHOUT a single, solitary seasoned believer to help them?
Do not all of the parables show that God would never leave the world without his witnesses?
@@stephenszucs8439 That is why God raises 144k Messianic Jews to go throughout all the world to preach the gospel. Remember that God originally wanted the Jews to bring the message of Salvation to the Gentiles? But they rejected him instead and went the other direction. Well guess what, during the Tribulation, God actually fulfills that by removing all the existing Christians, and raising up this group to be responsible for going into all the world to preach the gospel. That's another great reason why Christians are removed before, because God wants his original purpose to be fulfilled. Study better and you will connect more dots. Challenge what you think you know.
The two witnesses are specifically for the nation of Israel to convert. They are stationed for 3.5 years at the Temple Mount while the third temple is being constructed. They preach about all the Old Testament connections between the symbolic rituals the priests perform and how all of that points to Christ. This is the during the first 3.5 years of the Tribulation, while Israel is living safely in their land, and constructing the Temple. This is before the Anti-Christ goes into the Temple to declare himself to be worshipped at the mid-point of the Tribulation. Then all the Jews are scattered from the land because Satan possesses the Anti-Christ and turns his war on them to wipe them out. But God supernaturally protects them for the second 3.5 years in Petra. But it is there, that the message of the two witnesses sinks in and they begin the repentance process.
God doesn't need the church after the age of grace. It's all about the Jews during the 7 year Tribulation. And all the Gentiles that convert during that period is simply because God is long suffering and he wants as many of them to repent and come to Christ as well. They doubted before the rapture, but after that they will come to Christ through the witness of the 144k. That is why in Rev 7 those two groups are discussed together. The 144k get the credit for their salvation (not the church). Lots to learn.
Keep preaching it, Brother! Mr. Breaker preaches a false gospel and has made many false predictions in the timing of the rapture; he is a false teacher that is anathema! I pray he repents.
Cmon joel Darby says they aren't our brothers they're tribulation saints, smh I'd love to know how anyone gets saved if the church and the spirit is removed from the earth.
we are called simply "Saints" or the Elect, the phrase "tribulation saint" is not in the bible as such.
It is at the midpoint of the trib that Satan is cast down to the earth. There he is then called "the accuser of our brethren." He can only accuse those who are still alive and on the earth. So they are indeed referred to as "our brethren."
The subtexts of Mat24:31 and 1Cor15:52 and 1Tes4:16, are pointing to one another as a confirmation of one and the same coming of theLord: afterTrib. ThankU Joel. LordJesus helpUsAll.
Revelation 20 5 First Resurrection
Revelation 20 15 second Resurrection
1 thessalonians 4 First Resurrection
1 Corinthians 15 second Resurrection
The church was never promised the thousand year reign of Jesus
Daniel 12 2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,some to everlasting Life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times, four Verses after the Last day
Revelation 21 4
God wipes away the bride's tears
Revelation 20 5 First Resurrection
Revelation 20 15 second Resurrection
1 thessalonians 4 First Resurrection
1 Corinthians 15 second Resurrection
The church was never promised the thousand year reign of Jesus
Daniel 12 2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,some to everlasting Life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times, four Verses after the Last day
Revelation 21 4
God wipes away the bride's tears
@@squirreljones3595I would ask you to explain a bit better what you said pls.
how can Rev 20.15 be the 2nd resurrection when it talks about throwing them into the fire?
I've understood Rev 20.5 to mean the unsaved. The rest of the dead= those who are left after the resurrection of the saints in christ.
Dan 12.2 .. same thing. Of those who have died the believers in God raised to life and unbelievers raised for hell
Why do you say 1 cor 15 is the 2nd resurrection... we are changed at his 2nd coming when meeting him in the air in this age.
I think the church is promised to be with Christ in the millennial. What would any crowns be for... and what would ruling and reigning be about if the whole church isn't with him in Millennial?
The reference of John 6 last day... are you implying to mean the last day of 1000 yr reign is the LAST day?
Cuz it seems to be saying the last day of THIS AGE. OT references for the day of the Lord is referring to the last day of THIS AGE.
The 1000 yr reign is another age and isn't talked about except to say ruling and reigning with him in the millennial age.
@@destinycoach5
Revelation 7 14
Saints get white robes
Revelation 19 8
The bride of CHRIST gets
Fine linen clean and white
There's no Bible Verses that promise the church/bride white robes or the thousand year reign of Jesus
The thousand year reign of Jesus is promised to the saints that overcome the Mark of the beast
Dead in CHRIST rise First
Dead in CHRIST means saints that overcome the Mark of the beast
Revelation 20 4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his Mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with CHRIST a thousand years
@@squirreljones3595 1 Cor 15 is also referring to the first resurrection (of believers), and not to the second resurrection when unbelievers will be resurected to receive judgement at the great white throne of God.
I wish these episides were listed in numerical order.
The answer is yes on Darby.
I agree, we have been deceived most of our lives until we opened our hearts and ask the Lord for discernment. Most churches are still teaching false doctrine.
@rla7707 I agree. I believed pre-trib for 40 years! The more I read God's Word and through prayer my eyes were opened 🙏
Just be prepared to endure and possibly to the death like our brothers and sisters in the East.
How does one receive eternal life?
Let’s see if you understand the most important question first - ok.
Grace and peace
@@EPH113 John 3:16-21
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
[17]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
[18]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
[19]And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
[20]For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
[21]But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Thank you for speaking the truth, Joel. I am so worried by the way the pre-trib is taught as truth. How many are going to be lost because of their blind belief in this erroneous teaching? I pray the Lord will bless your words and that many people will have their minds opened to the real truth of the gospel and will prepare themselves for the 70th week of Daniel, which all of the saved must endure if they have not been removed by death prior to the time.
This may sound very elementary, but... I just don’t see people who didn’t get saved “before the rapture” doing all that in the tribulation???
Precisely! The idea that 144,00 Jews, having just been saved at the rapture, could now evangelize and assist God's people in understanding how to grow up into their faith. Such balderdash. But when you mention this to a Dispensator, they simply sneer.
Hey Joel, could you share the link for the video you referenced with Amir regarding the different way people get saved in the tribulation? Thanks!
What a gross perversion of salvation by Mr Breaker and his cohort.
God BLESS you Joel servant of Jesus Christ!!!
I know it was mostly a tangent, but I enjoyed hearing the teaching about how Old Testament saints and New Testament saints are part of the same body of Christ, also known as the Commonwealth of Israel, or simply the Church, which is a spiritual entity comprised of all people, whether Jew or Gentile, who have faith in the Messiah. This doesn't mean that the Church has replaced ethnoterritorial Israel - it still has specific promises that will be fulfilled by God - but that Gentile Christians have been grafted into the Abrahamic olive tree.
On a more relevant, topical point, regarding the note in the Scofield Reference Bible about the "Tribulation gospel", the _New_ Scofield Reference Bible has corrected that big error. Also, revised and progressive dispensationalists have long since abandoned the unbiblical view that salvation was by works in the Old Testament and through faith in the New Testament. Most modern dispensationalists have realized that the Law was never intended to be a vehicle of salvation; it was intended to be a shadow of the Messiah and an instrument of blessing and obedience.
I've actually heard breaker say if he can't enter the kingdom in his body without being glorified, he would feel ripped off and he doesn't want that, WWWWWOOOOOWWWWW, I NEVER HEARD SUCH A RIDICULOUS HERETIC STATEMENT. THAT ACTUALLY WAS MY LAST TIME WATCHING HIM. I used to let his pretrib statements cause I enjoy his stress on judgment and the blood but geez, some statements can't go ignored.
I don't agree with brother Breakers views on the end times....but to his credit I once put a prayer request in for my Dad (his name is Keith and he could really use your prayers) Mr Breaker reached out and inquired about my Dad. I really appreciate him following up with me and he seemed genuinely concerned for my Dad. So I think thats really cool 😎
Daniel 12: 1,2 tells it all.
Michael, the restrainer ❤
Thank you so much Joel. I had to go to the app to watch this. The premiere just gave me the spinny wheel.
My heart breaks for these pre-tribulationist teachers, who will be held accountable for stumbling the flock.
But, they just won’t listen, even when you show from the bible their wrong thinking. I always thought and you confirmed it today that this is leading to heresy! By the grace of God, I pray that these popular teachers have their eyes opened.
Anyone who teaches a different gospel than what the apostles taught, are a curse. And whilst I trust the Lord to awaken those who genuinely love Jesus and believe in His death and resurrection, but are being so misled, just as Saul was. I pray that and know that the Lord knows His children. It just goes to show it’s not our works or efforts that change their view or minds. It is purely the working of the Holy Spirit. God merciful and kind, long-suffering and faithful, I pray, you intervene in this heresy. This, I believe is the start of the great apostasy and falling away.
Thank you Joel for truth and being strong against adversity, you are an inspiration and truly of God. Maranatha…come Lord Jesus, I yearn and cry for your return. Amen
There is absolutely a separate Resurrection for the church
John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times. Jesus is Truth
Judgment day is the Last day
Revelation 20 shows two Resurrections
One is called the First Resurrection
One is at the Last day
Revelation 21 shows no more days in New Jerusalem
Jesus is Truth Keep the Faith
@@squirreljones3595
Two resurrections is biblical. The first resurrection is for those dead in Christ. The second resurrection is at the end of the millennium when the unrighteous are resurrected to judgement. That is biblical and I agree! However, I have no idea what point you are making???
@@debbiewareing1178
OOPS, sorry
The thousand year reign of Jesus is promised to the saints that overcome the Mark of the beast
Revelation 20 4
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his Mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with CHRIST a thousand years.
Only the saints get white robes
Revelation 7 14
The church was never promised white robes or the thousand year reign of Jesus
Revelation 19 8
The bride of CHRIST gets
Fine linen clean and white
John 6 39-54 Jesus says at the Last day four times. Jesus is Truth
Last day means no more days
*OK JOEL! I'VE GOT A BONE TO PICK WITH YOU!!* 👊👊👊👊👊
I actually went and looked up that Robert Breaker fellow you showed a clip of. I watched a few minutes of a couple his videos.
_Joel, you owe me some IQ points back, bucko!_
That actually caused me *Daine Bramage.*
I don’t know if I should sue for you not including a siezure warning ... or if I should contribute to your ministry for enduring that on our behalf.
You really _took one for the team_ on this one.
I'll let you know what I decide once the Alprazolam and beers kick in and I can think more clearly.
I completely agree with EVERYTHING you are teaching.
Your teaching is exactly what is taught in every Messianic Synagogues that I've attended.
It is only the Goyim who are teaching their congregations that they won't go through the Persecution (Tribulation) but the house of Israel will (Even Those of us who are Israeli and are born into the Kingdom - that they themselves are grafted into - and we KNOW that Yeshua is Mashiach)
They are truly teaching another Gospel that does not fit the logical framework of Scripture
What about the believers during the millinium, are they considered as part of the church as well?
Yes.
Without a doubt, 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with the only resurrection for the saints on the last day, last trump (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6, 1 Cor 15:52).
Tribulation saints will be our brothers and sisters. The martyrs will be resurrected at the end of the great tribulation.
However, Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection. We leave our flesh on earth (verse 37). We won't disappear.
The resurrection is for earth. In heaven, we get a heavenly body. Maranatha!
My question is how is there going to be a great multitude of Christians on earth when twice 1/3 of mankind will be horribly wiped out in judgment? Then it says in verse 20 that those who where not killed by these plagues and where still allive did not repeant . If no one is repenting then where is the multitude of Christians because the tribulation is not near done yet? Just a question as i believe He could come at anytime pre mid or post. I just have to be ready to endure and preach the Gospel at all times and to live in the Holy Spirit be ready for anything living for Him Everyday.
, there will be a great revival right after the rapture, and people continue getting saved until the end of the 2nd Woe, which is why Rev 9:20 says nobody repents then. But there won’t be vast numbers of Christians left by that time. In fact, very few will survive to enter the Millennium.
Also, the tribulation IS nearly over by that time because the 3rd Woe of 7 Trumpets happens quickly after the 2nd. And before the Trumpets are even over, Satan begins gathering armies to fight Jesus at the Second Coming.
Darby's teaching is correct. Romans 16:25. God wants us to hear Paul's gospel NOW given to him by Jesus himself. It was a MYSTERY NOT known before
Sounds like a whole bunch of pre-trib people here are really butt hurt the scriptures do not back up their escape goat when Jacobs trouble begins👈💯 it is a waste of time convincing them. Only by prayer the Holy Spirit can 👈💯
A more appropriate study would be titled "The Rapture vs The Endurance of the Saint's"
I Thessalonians 2: 1,2,3 explains IT ALL. Paul said that the false prophet, the son of perdition will be made manifest to us ALL
Very well said! That there is only ONE BODY of CHRIST, therefore modern day Israel is NOT belonging to that one body, for they still deny Yahshua as their Messiah through whom a believer is born again!
Pre-tribulation rapture or not, there is a prophesy in Daniel ch 12, that words would be sealed to the time of the end. This is why earlier church fathers could not possibly teach pre-tribulation rapture...
Yahshua had promised that He goes back to the Father to prepare a place for believers in Him, and He is coming back to take His treasured possession.
If it involves martyrdom before Hr arrives - so be it, if it is a change in a twinkle of an eye before physical death - Amen to that also.
Modern day Israel should harken to the words of their Messiah: "unless you believe that I AM you will die in your sins".
konstaninerzykin8155, He said he goes to prepare a place. Did he really say that that place would be Heaven? Where does it say that we will live in Heaven?
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"Did he really say?" - sounds like a serpent, trying to lead Eve astray, is it not?!
Sure He did say that right here:
John 14:3
2In my Father’s house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?fn
3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also.
And again right here:
John 17:20-22
“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word,
21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.
22The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,
Please, do not forget that whoever denies the Son = does not have the Father!
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I did not deny the Father or the Son, nor did I deny what He ACTUALLY said. YOU did not read the entire comment before responding.
He is preparing a place. He said that. He did NOT say that we would live in Heaven. He said He will reign from New Jerusalem on the redeemed EARTH. Where he is, there we will be also. He will be on Earth.
"I will tabernacle with men," that is, He comes to where we are.
Jesus called the Temple, "My Father's House." The Jewish Temple had many rooms, or apartments for the Levites. We will be working in the Kingdom of the LORD on this planet. We will likely have rooms in the New Jerusalem.
Jesus gave the rapture John 14:1-3
"I go to prepare a place for you." Not, I go to Heaven to prepare a place for you, and I will take you to Heaven to live there forever."
"I go to prepare a place for you." (I will go away, and I will be preparing a place for you.
"I will come again and receive you to myself." Sounds like He comes back here to receive us unto Himself, not a word about taking us to Heaven to be received up there.
"In *MY Father's House* are many "Mone." (rooms, dwelling spaces, apartments, mansions) Is it logical to imagine a HOUSE filed with Mansions, or a large House with many rooms or apartments?
Now, it does not say that the Father's House is in Heaven. It says He goes there to prepare it, but John then says, in Rev., that he saw the Holy City Jerusalem coming down to earth.
Further, the prophesies all say that the redemption of the earth will include the eternal *Tabernacling of God with Men*. In other words, He comes to US.
The Bible uses the term, "My Father's House" and "The LORD'S HOUSE" many times. It always refers to the Temple.
Temple means a place where a god, or The GOD dwells.
Jesus said he will dwell in the New Jerusalem.
We will be with him. Here. On earth.
There is *nothing* in this passage to even hint at a secret, sudden, silent escape from the planet.
Pre-trib false doctrine does leave it that the church leaves Israel to fight alone.
That's correct. First God removes Israel's spiritual allies (church during the rapture). Then he removes their political allies (Red Horse nukes the USA). SO she is left all alone with her Muslim neighbors and the peace treaty made with the Anti-Christ. When that fails half way through the Tribulation, then they realize they have nothing left and that helps to break them down so God can get their attention and save one third.
When you say - the gospel of the kingdom (before the cross) and the gospel of Grace (after the cross and revealed unto Paul) are one and the same - I understand the misunderstanding of scripture here ….
If anyone does not shake their head with what Breaker said.
Then I guess the dumb lead the Dumb and they both end up trusting in aliens
I'm sure you don't have endurance without HIS FINISHED work on the cross. We must hear Paul's gospel Romans 16:25
They overcame by the blood of the lamb and the message of their testimony.
Romans 16:25
Please explain the following verses from the mouth of Jesus Christ's plain explanation of being born again!
so is everyone that is born of the spirit
John 3:7-8 (KJV) Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is everyone that is born of the Spirit.
Thank you sincerely.
Seriously RB should read the BIBLE
He might be too busy trying to rewrite it lol
I believe the Tribulation will start at the end of this year. I like Robert Breaker and have tried to message him to rethink his teaching about the Rapture. What about John MacArthur, I think is a sound teacher, but he is Pre-Tribulation
Joel, the only question is, during the Great Tribulation, will a born again believer in Christ forfeit his salvation if he worship the image of the beast or receive the mark of the beast?
I believe the answer is "yes", because of Rev.14:9-11 & Rev.19:20 & Rev20:4. I deduced from these verses that the believers alive during the Great Tribulation will have to be willing to lay down their lives as they will be executed because they refuse to worship the image of the beast.
@@poplap9241 I agree. The scriptures are so strong in the warnings against taking the Mark, because it will be a conscious rejection of the Lord, similar to the Israelites and the golden calf.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Paul’s interpretation in Galatians 3:8.)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
10. Watch the RUclips video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
(See what Joshua said about the Old Covenant land promise in Josh. 21:43.)
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and is it fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 12:18-24?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church, if the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20? (See also 2 Thess. 1:7-10) If the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant “obsolete” in Hebrews 8:6-13, why would God go back to the Old Covenant system during a future time period?
Read the recent book "The Rise and Fall of Dispensationalism", by Daniel G. Hummel.
The church, the body of Christ is under no covenant(s).
@@EPH113Jesus instituted the new covenant for the church at the last supper, Mat 26:28, see also Heb 8:6-13, Heb 9:15, 12:24, 13:20-21
@@ruthmayforth5933 the church, the body of Christ is and was never a part of any covenants and was only revealed unto Paul via our risen Lord.
Matthew 26:28 (KJV) For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
A testament and a covenant are not the same!
I agree with you, Eph 2:14-18, 3:6, Gal 3:6-8, 16, 28-29 are more passages for those searching. I also have come to understand with you that Dan 9:27 is about Jesus, and that covenant is also the New Covenant of Jesus. Part of why this is important is that this verse is the only one to support the “70th week of Daniel” theory, and that there is a 7 year tribulation. Scripture in Dan and Rev is full of a 3.5 y period. At the least, such an important doctrine as a “7 y tribulation” should not be based on an isolated, obscure verse… there would be confirmation of it elsewhere in scripture.
@@ruthmayforth5933 who was Hebrews written to?
Are you following a religion?
Sounds like the RCC understanding as they claim
To be the New Israel.
I personally don't like, when teachers curse other teachers by claiming, they are teaching another gospel. ("..to hell!!"). Especially, when it is about some difficult aspects/ details of the bible, in this case eschatology. Paul Washer is going around accusing (cursing) everybody (besides himself and maybe 2 or 3 of his best friends) to teach "another gospel". FAI should not follow that way. It frightens normal people to preach the gospel at all, because they may be unsecure in some theological details, and don't want to get cursed ("...to hell!!") if they get something wrong.
Hammer time!!! Joel is over the target.
This might be your best work and you have plenty on your side.
But for the life of me, how are you still deceived about the earth
Did Darby[along with Scofield] preach another Gospel? YES! Another human gospel, Not inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Look at his personal life too when considering his background. Some even go so far as to say his rigid teaching
and following was cult like for many early years, and even now by some.
It IS another gospel, so therefore, they are not true believers. However, do not hate them; hate the lie they believe. Some of them may wake up to the truth. Pray for them, but do not fellowship with them. This walk is a hard and lonely one. Cleave to the Lord and His truth.
So you say they lost their salvation because they believe Christ comes before trib? Where is God's Grace and Mercy? Realize that they Love Jesus and when it starts they will roll up along side us just a little disappointment lol lol and be part of the multitudes. If they truly love Jesus they won't fall for the antichrist.
@@timothynussbaum2688 They can’t lose what they didn’t have in the in the first place.
Pre tribulation, premillennialist doctrine is another gospel, another Jesus, while it looks deceptively similar. There is only one truth and that view is not it.
The gospel is in all 66 books. Jesus is the central figure and the kingdom message is also a constant.
The problem? Most adopt what I like to call a Rodney King Gospel in regards to this; “Go along to get along.
The truth is not made up or secondary. The doctrine on premillennialism, pre tribulation, Dispensationalism IS made up. Made popular here in the US in the early 1900’s. John Nelson Darby brought it to light in the late 1800’s. Of note, this is also the time period of which gave birth to Mormonism, seventh day Adventist and other cults masquerading as Christianity.
One only needs to look at what happened to the public education system and see the perversion that has entered into it. The same could be said of seminaries and the churches. Satan couldn’t kill Christian’s, so what better way than pervert scripture and lead many astray. The deception is very real.
This is what’s been revealed-
* Denial of the true nature of the Kingdom
* Denial of the true doctrine of grace
* Denial of the doctrine of redemption
* Denial of who the people of God (the saints) really are both Jew and Gentile
* Envisioning a geopolitical kingdom (physical Israel as apposed to the “true Isreal” /heavenly city; described in Genesis
* Twisting prophesy to fit their desired narrative
* Twisting scriptural truths of the New Testament
* Following a fairly new doctrine as truth (believing man instead of God)
* Misunderstanding of the true Church
@Narrowminded1440 Are you ammilenial? As far as im I'm concerned, the only big difference between historic pre millenialism and amillenialism is how to interpret the thousand years, which is not so much doctrine but interpretation issue.
@@handles617 I know one thing no matter when in History coming up no matter when it happens. If someone chooses Christ by repentance and Faith they are saved and become part of the church. Hence the tribulation. To bring a lost world to repentance. So more can join the body of Christ . If I have a party and it started and a bunch of friends came on time would I treat any other friends I invited different if they decided to come late. They can still come and be apart . I don't know maybe I am off key. All I know is God loves us and wants us to come to him. Again like the parable of the workers. One comes to work right away and others come later in the day and yet all get paid the same at the end of the day.
@@timothynussbaum2688 I too was once without the truth and followed into Judaism and strange fire (doctrines such as the one in question here). They too may find out the truth, that it’ll be reviled to them through the searching of scripture (being a Berean) with the help of the Helper; the Holy Spirit. All we can do is pray for them.
How does one get saved during the tribulation? Romans 10:9-10
We believers will still be here during the tribulation... Stay away from those "Left Behind" movies...
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The same way you get saved before the Tribulation.