What Brien Foerster Gets WRONG about BAALBEK
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- The ancient ruins of Baalbek in Lebanon sport massive granite columns, which come from Aswan quarry in Egypt. According to Brien Foerster, it is impossible for humans to have made them. In this video, Dr. Miano examines the arguments presented by this alternative history advocate to see if they hold up. Did the Romans carve the pillars, or a mysterious civilization of the past?
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Your funny 😂...it's amazing how hard people try to mask the truth. So who paid you? Are you part of the alphabet groups? Or part of " the intellectual" that are hell bent on proving MAN is responsible for things they didn't even have to tools to do. Everyone should look at this video as comedy
You are good example of the madness of the internet. I would bet you voted for Trump, buy Q-Anon books, and are also a flat earther but ok 👍
*_"it's amazing how hard people try to mask the truth."_*
You absolute arse.
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*you’re
@@AdvancedLiving
Intresting, isn't it, that all Conspiritards seem to have poor education and dreadful grammar, spelling and punctuation?
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What kills me about all these "ancient aliens"/"ancient civilization" people step over a hundred pieces of data to pick up five or six random bits, then weave a narrative whole cloth that ignores 99% of the actual evidence, but fits comfortably into whatever vague nonsense they're selling.
Exactly ! They never present a cohesive argument, just their cherry picked convenient facts...
That’s basically how the mainstream opinions were also formed. That’s really how it goes when you’re trying to assemble a cohesive picture of the ancient past. It’s all more of an interpretation which is why archaeology isn’t really a science. It’s competing belief systems where very few people are ever truly objective.
Most theories in both the mainstream and alternative sides get some things right but likely miss a large portion. In the future we may view our current understanding as ass backwards. Hard to tell since it potentially only takes one turn of the spade to make us question everything.
I feel like they present pretty cohesive arguments. Both sides do. Doesn’t make them correct and neither has to be 100% right or wrong.
@@thatsmyassbrostop Your statement that science fact presented by qualified scientists is a "belief system" highlights why unqualified people think it's totally fine to believe in crazy conspiracies !
The Dunning Kruger effect in action.... SIGH
@@edwardfletcher7790 are you unaware of how often “qualified” scientists have been wrong about something, often for quite a long time, because they assumed or took things for granted?
We forget about when they where wrong after the fact but the majority of scientific history is being wrong.
Science shouldn’t be about belief in any theories but unfortunately science is done by humans, who have things such as ego, pride and greed.
I’m also not so sure that you know what a conspiracy theory is. Lol. Having a different opinion about history is not a conspiracy theory. It’s a regular theory, just like the mainstream interpretation. They’re all just theories. You call it a “conspiracy theory” as an ad hom so that you can feel better about outright dismissing it. It’s an overcompensation.
You mention the dunning-Kruger effect however you’re the one speaking from arrogance here. It’s ok to say that you don’t know, which is what most alternative history people suppose.
@@thatsmyassbrostop I guess I should have expected a rant instead of meaningful discourse.... SIGH
Perfectly laser round. Perfectly laser smooth. Perfectly laser straight. Perfectly laser flat. I wish the Roman masons were here to hear that.
They would be proud, for sure.
*_"Perfectly laser round. Perfectly laser smooth. Perfectly laser straight. Perfectly laser flat."_*
But none of those artifacts actually exhibit those properties.
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They would ask “what’s a laser?”
Back patting is loud here.
Once someone explained to them what a laser are they would probably laugh.
You could write an entire encyclopedia library on the things that Brian Forrester gets wrong
Isn't that just called "history, engineering and architecture"?
@@Ugly_German_Truths not according to Graham Hancock
And that boob of a human, is on AA 1/3 of the time, as a respective authority. He only has a HS diploma, and I'm not joking. He writes books entitled, "How Bigfoot COULD have shot JFK, and got away with it, with the help of Aliens."
@@waltherforstmann3659 this form of anti intellectual sells and sadly it harm's the progress of us all
Forrester may not get everything right but he points out many things that contradict the official story of ancient history and the 25 books he has written sell well.
Dang I feel silly, I fell for this nonsense. I'm glad I found your channel!
27:30 He IS just eyeballing it. Notice how the pictures are always at an angle. They never show the straight edge actually close up touching the stone. Also, any tradesman worth a damn would use a longer straight edge on such a large surface.
I have seen Lyin' Brien Fraudster and David Hatcehtjob-Childish make these claims when you could see light shining through the huge gap between their set square and the stone.
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NOt a single angle he is mentioning is NOT a perfect cut. Why are you lying?
I love how you're debunking these claims - in a calm and polite way (unlike some other channels out there) Out of interest, would you have any vids on the marks and holes in Egyptian granite, some are claiming were created using circular saws and tube drills?
There is a section in my Historian Reacts video about it. ruclips.net/video/n_NguZUDku4/видео.html
roman origin,,i laugh.. we can not today, hewn out granite, 600t blocks, transport over mountains.500 miles... you are a joke.. you are mainstream bs.. i hope your paid well to lie, for a living..@@WorldofAntiquity
NOt debunking sh!t
When they Romans needed to build a mountain (ramp) to siege Masada (1,500 feet), it only took them between 4-7 months. About half a year to make a small mountain and attack it with battering rams. So of course they could build Ba'albek.
Yes , of course as we are ignorants its pretty easy to say "yuo cant move this" cuase its very dificult to us , but in fact with simple techiques yuo can do it.
Ther many know examples about that
@@noway8233 Yes. Thank You :)
@Joe -- Masada? Brian Foerster has single-handedly uncovered "proof" that an advanced Megalithic civilization travelled in time to Roman Judea, built the siege fortifications at Masada, then returned to their own time.
Foerster will present this truth, but only to those who buy into his next trip to the "sacred sites".
The Romans worked in much lighter weights. Piling up rubble that weighs 150 tons and moving a 150 ton piece of granite are widely different projects.
@@DOOMGROOM yeah a worrior nation they conquered cities.. don't recall building them.
Hey, at least this time it’s the Romans who couldn’t have done something. A fresh new idea I’d say.
The megaliths of Baalbek are definitely Pre-Inca.
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Yes by the killke culture
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Dr Miano once again provides a highly informative refutation of Foerster's wild assertions. "World of Antiquity" is very educative in that you learn a great deal sound history in the process of watching the refutation of these conjectures that are relentlessly presented by Brien Foerster as proper research. Thank you Dr Miano.
What is conjecture is exactly what the guides say if you visit such sites. They don't have aclue themselves. Although you probably need more imagination to think slaves / stone age workers built amazing structures
Lol this Brennan is a joke.
@@MrDOB1000 Stone age builders built all kinds of cool stuff.
And bronze age people built the pyramids.
Ancient Greeks called a lot of this Cyclopean Masonry and said non humans built them. There are a lot of unanswered questions about these structures.
Great video! Why are we taught that ancient people were ignorant brutes? Their lives were very simple compared to ours. They had a lot of time to master stone working!
WHO ever taught you the ancients were ignorant brutes??? I'm a geezer, and a well-educated one at that, INCLUDING a History degree, among others. In NONE of my history courses was that claim ever made. Instead, my professors always maraveled at what the ancients did, with the tools and concepts they had at hand.
Mastered stonework with copper tools that today's geniuses can't figure out. They also mastered the stars and advanced mathematics.
@@jelink22 Its relatively common in, well lets call it standard education, like in most middle and high schools where all of pre industrial history is done in 2 years
You are 100pc right
@@spokenclawm.4121 They like to never speak about using softer compounds against much harder surfaces, to precision. No duplications have been done either.
I personally have used stones larger than cars in constructing retaining walls. So, am I a megalithic craftsman or builder?
(tbh, I guess I almost am... it is that pesky "happened a decade or so ago" part that prevents it from being actually true, given that the term is properly applied to things from the distant past, not-so-much stuff from just a few years ago.)
Working with stone of that size really made me appreciate just how skilled people in the past were. It is almost trivial today (almost, because safety is a concern) with the power equipment like the excavators we had. I never really get how people go from "damn, I am impressed that they could do this all those thousands of years ago." to "no way in hell they did this." I mean, it is obvious that it was done, as you can see these all over, someone had to do it and adding in some "other" that did the work with no evidence of this "other" existing, or existing in that area, is one hell of a leap.
addendum: We would joke about creating megaliths when we did work like that. And to be fair the word in itself only means giant motherf---er of a stone. And I guess that in the eyes of someone 3k years from now, maybe we did create some megaliths.
edit: I don't have a problem with people who, due to lack of knowledge, say things like "I find it hard to believe that _____ built this." That is healthy skepticism. I draw a line when people outright refuse to believe that people could build these things when shown evidence that they did in fact build them. There is no "change my mind" philosophy behind such statements, while that is very much a part of a scientific mindset.
The frustration of Forester's cult followers in this comment section is truly astonishing.
why does everyone call it a cult? I've received more cult like behavior from the mainstream folk than I have from any "cult" members
@@e7ebr0w from personal experience, after talking with plenty of "believers". They display the same tought patterns, cognitive dissonance and most important of all, a very arogant Dunning-Krueger effect.
Also people who have no arguments, yet throw insults, like our friend above...
I'm not denying that the status quo can get to rigid/cult like sometimes and I think we all agree that cultism is bad and should be avoided from all parts.
@@MrAchile13 obviously so. the funniest thing I've come across would have to be a channel called sgd sacred geometry decided... or something similar. it's the craziest thing watching someone argue with narratives such as uncharted x and Brien by using even crazier arguments sometimes. I just wonder why people are worried about disrupting that "side of the fence" anyway. we all get taught the history in school, those people afterward just chose to wonder.... don't understand the strongly felt need to bring them back so to speak
@@MrAchile13 but as a point, in today's world, even ideas that aren't completely fringe, yet border on opposition to the current "narrative" are ridiculed so fervently, most people choose not to think out of the box. To me, it's always been insane to me that people today are so high and proud of themselves that they truly believe they understand how ancient man did anything.... so many years separate our times, and every day we discover new clues that argue with the current history. to think anything is impossible in the 100000 years humans have existed is crazy to me. the inhabitants of north sentinel island have been secluded there for 60000 years, and I get that it's an island, but they've done not much as far as monuments. Easter island for what I understand is pretty small, yet the Rapanui constructed the Moi (don't know how to spell it). One one hand it's absurd to think we know everything, but on the other, it's absurd that archaeology is the only science that makes conclusions from absence of evidence
@@e7ebr0w The problem is that people like uncharted x and forester are frauds. They literally lie on camera, cherry pick data and use logical fallacies, in order to make money form the gullible. And I'm not talking only about you tube and patreon, but about their insanely over priced tours. If you point out their lies, they will ban you from their channels.
All the talk about machine precision/high tech tool and lost global highly advanced civilizations is nonsense and I can explain in detail why, if you're interested. Archaeology is backed up by evidence, for the most part, the ones making conclusion from nothing are the the ones like uncharted and forester. Forester is such a fraud that he literally called pick axe marks "mysterious claw marks".
The Moai are simple statues, all you need is skill, people, wood, rope and stone hammers.
This is the problem with mainline science. They will only go as far as the edge of the desk. If you don't reach you don't grow. You stagnant.
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Mr. Foerster only goes to the edge of his nose.
those who doubt human ability to move large objects with simple techniques should look up the well documented 'Thunder Stone" moved to St. Petersburg in the 1700's - or how the City of Chicago, including massive buildings, was raised several feet in the 1800's using little more than the simple ancient technology of screw jacks.
@@haaggus ruclips.net/video/j9w-i5oZqaQ/видео.html
@@haaggus the fact that those Obelix were transported from Egypt and erected in Rome is a prove that people could move large objects.
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Yeah, that raising of Chicago is unreal.
You better look deeper into the thunderstone story. There are a lot of weird things, many people mentioned the statue before it was supposedly erected and the stone was mentioned too. There are books, paintings and notes by a variety of people. The dates dont add up and if you look closely to the inscriptions they have also been changed. The statue might actually be of alexander the great. Dont take my word for it, look it up.
"Ahhh, another giant rock, ancient high technology spotted!"
These guys are crazy. Generalizing everything, undermining the intelligence and ingenuity of these ancient civilizations.
When me and my two brothers were children we went to a living history stone age theme park, there was a boulder about the size of a small car on logs with ropes attached on it to try it out we got it to move it without effort, these people are either idiots, liars or extremely weak themselves.
@@tilleryinnovations592
That big blocks of rock can be moved with enough manpower with ease. Proving the floaty pseudohistorians who think it could not be done back then wrong.
Ummm.. that more people could move larger stones further? It's not difficult to surmise. "Think for yourself". If you make a recipe by grams instead of volume, you can multiply or divide up to a very large point. As Recipe, so Stone moving.
engineers have looked at hypothetically moving the trilithon stones, most say it cant be done as the rock would crumble under its own weight once lifted. Some say it could be lifted and maybe moved a short distance but it would take the largest most capable machines we have to do it and even then, theyd barely make it.
@@dgafbrapman688 But which "engineers"?
I built a limestone shed
I used really big blocks on the bottom and smaller blocks as I went up the wall ...it was easier than lifting the big blocks
Groundbreaking facts
Also you can't achieve curves and arches with massive blocks up top
Wait. If you have large blocks on the bottom and smaller blocks on top, then it is evidence that a lost civilization built the bottom and you just came later and built on top and now take all the credit.
@@Eyes_Open yes it's evidence that there was a high technology that was bigger than the low technology ...and I guess I must be megalithic ...
@norbertdjihnson if there was a civilization more advanced than ours, please, do tell, where is the material evidence? Yall love to talk about high technology... but where is it? Let's see one shred... thats all it would take... one single USB port, 1 miniscule insulated copper wire, 1 single fiber of synthetic fabric or materials... but alas.. there is none. If the ancients were so technologically advanced, why did they only build in stone? Why no glass and steel sky scrapers? Where's all the old broken computers and evidence of manufacturing plants, power plants (no the pyramids were not power plants... good lord) .... anything? Where is it?
Ohhhh.... right... it doesn't exist. Because it never did.
Shed?! you can't fool me, you're a martian from Atlantis.
@@Eyes_Open megalithic shed :)
Thank you for taking the time to make this detailed video. It's shocking how many people believe that Santa Claus built anything that they are too lazy to do the science on. Guess what? People can move mountains when they are motivated.
Hobby researchers are good with asking clever questions. The problem is their attempt to give answers. They ignore the huge amount of knowledge that exist within ”mainstream academics”, while they base their own (exotic) theories on empty words like ”obviously” or ”unquestionably”.
Mainstream academia may not be perfect, but we do have the ability to persevere with a problem until it is solved and then carefully document it.
Huge amount about what happened more than 5000 years ago? lol
@@dougcard5241 Research within history, linguistics, religion, archeology and other fields add up to quite a comprehensive knowledge about what life was like. Surely there are still many gaps to be filled but anyone who presents highly controversial theories needs to present extraordinary proofs, if they want to be taken seriously.
@@holmavik6756 Tell us a story based on any facts about what Sumerians were doing and when they learned to make marks on stone prior to 5000 years ago. Extra credit for anything you can tell me about the 'creatures' who built Gobekli Tepe. When did humans start worshiping gods? When they met any advanced including aliens. Prove that wrong or get lost. And stop thinking someone is an expert on what was up with Homo Sapiens since over 500kya. Why would I need to know whether the split from Neanderthals was 800 or 400kya? Feel free to explain why it took over 200k years to figure out how to quarry stones? Why were GIZA pyramids all built in 150 years out of 150k years?
The Romans hauled off huge obelisks from Egypt back to Rome. So they could bring some rocks from anywhere they wanted. It's called history.
Brien watched the History channel late at night once and decided that's enough education to be an archaeologist. He asks questions that have been answered almost definitively, invents an uneducated answer and acts amazed because he's clueless.
Foester is a great man! You do not understand Ancient High tech because you have not read the texts, have not appreciated the engineering techniques required. And yet you comment about your betters? SAD!
Brien is a Legend, opening many eyes, a great explorer and Inspiration! 🍻⚡
@@TheLostHistoryChannelTKTC Yeah! The best, he is really the best, 20 books, unbelievable!
@@TheTimeDetective42 🔱⚡🔱
What, in your opinion, makes him great? He most certainly doesn't "read the texts," nor is he an engineer.
@@WorldofAntiquity Thats right, He openly admits the Hieroglyphics don't interest him that much because they are NOT Predynastic like the Megaliths are. He *is* an Engineer, Brien is interested in why and how this was done, What makes him great? DNA Testing the Starchild skull to the Black Sea was pretty staggeringly great! Even before THAT Realisation, He was one of those 'Lone Figures' showing us ALL The anomalies, You should show more respect 👍Making a video headlined like that? And he doesn't say its Impossible for Humans to have done certain things like shift the stone of the south, he says that based on what we are led to believe, our education tells us it was impossible when it clearly was not! But again, How and why? Check out the squatter-man project for some of the answers. 👍
Beautiful debunk. You are a gift to proper research and LOGIC.
Him claiming that the surface of the bottom of one(?) of the column(s) is 'almost laser-flat' - when seeing him 'measuring' and concluding that statement with nothing more than a standard 25cm (or 10 inches) long 90-degrees tool (sorry-don't know the name of the tool in English, but I'm sure you know what I mean) is just ludicrous....that he didn't at least use a 'ruler' (again-don't know what the name of that tool is: the one with water and an airbubble in it?) as long as the column's diameter, at the very least. Well, as someone who's used to work with wood - it really does surprise me, to say the least. How on earth are you supposed to judge, even with your eyes, how 'flat' something is without having at least some kind of tool that's as long as the diameter (and of course-accurately 'flat')?
We have, historically at least, for a long time kept underestimating the capabilities of our forefathers.....but - after a couple of centuries of countless finds such as these ones (even totally buried ones), and also written records as well as other strong indicators that strongly suggest that this or that empire or people did in fact erect these impressive monuments themselves (be it preserved on paper, papyrus or clay, etc.) - you'ld think that era would be over by now...? BUT - apparently not, I guess.
Sure - these monuments, all over the world are immensely impressive. Without a doubt. Especially when considering that they had to do everything, at every step purely by hand.
BUT, again - we mustn't forget that practically EVERYTHING had to be done by hand in those days, which of course means that ALL artifacts, as well as all kinds of artisans in those days were well versed in making everything by hand. Every single 'step' of it...And since there wasn't even a though given to any alternative, since there were none: people probably started to 'work on their skills' from early childhood - not like today, where we have the choice of using modern machinery. Which of course ultimately means that ALL and every artisan, regardless which material used were very well-versed in making all things - from start to finish - entirely by hand! AND - that there must have been a lot more of these artisans. That's at least what my reasoning and logic is telling me.
Also - isn't the fact that these guys not only are selling books and making a living out of their 'special theories' a bit suspicious? Especially while they also 'offer' tours where they will "reveal the real truth" about these 'megalithic structures' - for a handsome fee...to me at least it sounds almost a bit 'cultish'!!! *ALARMBELLS!*
Sorry, got a little 'worked up' I guess.
Great video, as always Mr. Miano. Subscribed as soon as I saw your channel, since I'm a bit of a 'history-nerd' - and you and your content are so great! (If it wasn't for the fact that I'm simply not in a position where I'm financially able to - I'ld support your channel in a heartbeat!).
Cheers from Sweden!
I'm no archaeologist but i like history you make a great point about the smaller work beneath the monoliths and when I seen one of their other videos before yours I saw in south America smaller work like the top of monoliths underneath and always wondered how they came to these conclusions but anyway thanks professor!!!
Brien foerster isnt correct about much at all
I think what the alternate history fans have to answer is why is it that Rome happened to be founded in a field of random Egyptian obelisks, that didn't influence Roman culture, and weren't even mentioned until they had to make up stories on how they were moved there. Really the late antiquity emperors were quite lucky no one had mentioned some of the largest obelisks until they came to power. And if these alternate history fans can admit that these giant objects were moved by the Romans, why is it that other objects couldn't have been moved by the Romans?
Jimi Hendrix is a sophisticated musical cyborg created by a lost civilization. Try play like him, I can’t and don’t know anyone that can. Case closed.
Also he wasn’t talking about all the granite pillars he was implying the few stones that are insanely huge , if you are from the Middle East you know a lot of the Roman and Greeks actually built over these places that already existed and claimed it as if they built it . Certain things they did build but others hey didn’t
The stones you mention weigh 200,000 tons each and the video guy thinks the obelisks were the hardest thing to carry. They were because they didn't lay the 200,000 ton stones, someone else did much earlier.
@@markfelix8737 what do you mean by 200,000 the biggest one there is around 1200 tons
This guy has an agenda. A fake scholar.
@@markfelix8737 caçula te the volume of 200000 tons and you’ll quickly see that your perception is way off
@@anibaldamiao 200,000 tons × 2,000 = 400,000,000 lbs. Is that more clear?
I really enjoyed this commentary on Brian foresters work. I've been watching his videos (and others like him) for a couple of years now. And haven't been able to find anyone to refute what they are saying. Until now. Instead of just calling him a nut job. You used a lot of facts to back up your position and refute his. You channel is exactly what I've been looking for, thank you very much for this informative presentation.
I look forward to hearing the response that he (Brian forester) might have for you. If he responds.
Looking forward to the "giant lathe" and megalithic rock transporter slide shows by Brian.
Oh boy, that hot pink granite is GORGEOUS! I'd love to have that-with a nice, high polish to it-as counter tops in my kitchen.😍😍
Why Brien Foerster is WRONG about BAALBEK..Because he is Brien Foerster and he is wrong about everything.
He is not wrong about making a good living though! Not that I care. It's great entertainment and he has a nice voice and talking style.
That's not vaguely intellectual.
@ChrisShortyAllen When it comes to Foerester there is no need to bother being intellectual.
But hey, you searched back 2 years to try to have a comment...lol
An obelisk taken to Constantinople was set upon a base that is carved with a scene of it being raised with ropes and pullies. Also, it's set on lead blocks, which apparently act as shock absorbers during earthquakes.
Excellent work again.
The way he definitively makes statements about what Romans could and could not do shows he has zero interest in truth. It is about preserving the business model. For all the things that might be argued that he doesn't know basic facts on stone work, and makes a business of talking about stone, shows either total laziness in the issues he pretends to be passionate about, or shows he does know the basics but peddles falsehoods to preserve his profit margin.
I know this is an old video but can't stop laughing at using a 1 foot square to check the flatness of a 5foot column 😂
And no feeler guages in sight either mofo might want to learn how to measure stuff 😂😂😂
I'd love to see the Venn diagram of "Ancient Lost Civilization" believers and the QAnon suckers. I'd bet there's a significant overlap.
Add the Joe Rogan audience
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YOU ARE VERY IGNORANT OF THE PAST AND THE OBVIOUS HIGH-TECH ANCIENT MEGALITHIC STRUCTURES OF OUR PAST.
WHY IS IT THAT THE INCAS IN PERU COULD MAKE THESE AMAZING STONE WALLS (WALLS WHICH WE CAN'T DUPLICATE WITH TODAY'S TECHNOLOGY) AND YET COULD ONLY COBBLE TOGETHER SMALL ROCKS FOR THEIR KINGS?
WHY IS IT THAT NOBODY, NOBODY CAN EXPLAIN HOW THE MEGALITHIC STONE STRUCTURES WERE BUILT.
THE ESTABLISHMENT THINKS THEY WERE WHITTLED AWAY CHIP BY CHIP TO PRODUCVE A SUPER-HUMAN FIT WHERE A HUMAN HAIR CANNOT FIT IN THE JOINTS. STUDY UP ON THIS BEFORE YOU COMMENT.
@@davidhathaway3369 Why are you shouting? LOL. Watch this channel's other videos- he conclusively debunks the "nobody can explain how these were built" trope, while providing credible sources to back up his assertions.
@@jamesboyle7163 SHOW ME PROOF OF A DUPLICATED INCA WALL, NOBODY CAN EXPLAIN HOW THESE STONES WERE FITTED TOGETHER, I WANT TO SEE HIM REPRODUCE THE INCA WALLS, hAHAHahha
@@jamesboyle7163 OK IF IT IS SO OBVIOUS AND NO MYSTERY TO IT THEN WHY IS THERE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE STUDYING HOW THESE MEGALITHIC SITES WERE BUILT??? WHY IS IT STILL A MYSTERY. IF HE IS SO SMART THEN WHY DOESN'T HE RE-PRODUCE THE INCA WALLS?
Isn't it funny, that Brien reads his entire presentation, and can never once bring his eyes to the audience while he is speaking? This is very clear body language which says "I'm lying to you all but can't look you in the eye while I'm doing it."
Either that or, "Despite saying the exact same stuff for many years, I still can't remember a single sentence of my presentation."
@@Chris.Davies or he has some adhd or low autism I don't look at people in the eyes it makes me uncomfortable
Funny thing about Brien is that his books and lectures are pretty much the same things, almost word for word. If you heard a lecture, you might as well have read his book. Apparently he’s teaming up with Jimmy Atlantis, which is a huge step backwards if you ask me.
“Did you really say ‘hitherto unknown’?”
“Are you really leaning on the Cauldron of the Cosmos?”
*SMACK
Jimmy Atlantis, hahahahah. you won the internet for today with that one.
I keep posting links on Jimmy's no so Bright videos...instant delete. He's either monitoring or paying someone, i guess the grift does pay.
Jimmy is a douche and Brien needs a new hat.
Yes most of his videos he just repeats the same thing just different sites lol never anything new to say.
An interesting point about the columns on the Pantheon: these columns (their origins are correctly stated) were not made for the Pantheon; archaeological work unearthed the original plan of that building on the ground right before it (probably as a builder's aid). The original plan was for taller columns, but the columns made for it sank in a storm during transport in the Mediterranean. The Pantheon was to be completed by a very important religious/political festival, so the existing columns were "robbed" off of another, smaller temple. The Pantheon, essentially a large sphere with a rectangular box attached, had to have an extra raised box added to it, which can be seen when looking at the front elevation. The extra box had to be added to balance the proportions, because the columns used were too short. Interestingly, an analogous example exists in Colonial Williamsburg, (Williamsburg, Virginia) which was the British capital of the American colonies before the Revolution. The pediment extending over the porch of the Court House simply hangs in the air with no columns beneath it (that wooden pediment is actually cantilevered from the main structure and columns are not structural requirements). The Brits had made and shipped stone columns for the Court House, but they sank into the Atlantic during a storm while on their way. So the pediment simply hovers over the porch to this day.
Hmmm, a guy who reads from google, or a man who goes directly to the site and shows us exactly what he’s talking about? Yeah, I’ll listen to him, not you.
I'm getting my information from people who went directly to the sites and who are a lot more than just tourists. They actually did research.
@@WorldofAntiquity you mean like, brien forester?
@@brandonox6927 No, he does the least research of anyone I have ever seen doing videos on these topics.
@@WorldofAntiquity really? Again, you are a random, whose probably never been to any of these sites, and you’re trying to make a video to discredit a man who not only films on location because he goes there himself, but he also slides money to guides to be taken places people normally aren’t allowed, AND has an entire tour where he takes you right to these places so you can see for yourself. You claim there’s no evidence for a lost civilization? Why would there be, other than stone? You realize a comet guy and incinerated everything, don’t you and then about 12,000 years passed. The evidence is actually pretty strong. According to you and your ilk, they didn’t even have the wheel, yet there’s circular saw marks and tube drill holes. A clear contradiction. We do however have Plato telling us of such a civilization. The Bible blames the flood on said civilization. No wheel, but they moved 1,000 ton blocks and put them together better than we can? I mean, these people weren’t far removed from having animal skin genital flaps for an outfit. Yet, without the wheel, built Baalbek/the great pyramid etc.... nope. Your about as qualified to slander this man’s research and character as I am to tell Tom Brady how to be a quarterback.
@@brandonox6927 All of the information I share is straight from the archaeologists who have worked for years on the site, and on all the other sites I mention. They have done far more work than just going and looking around, taking photos, and holding a ruler up to a stone.
When did I say the Romans never had the wheel???
I love these theories. It’s the tv show timeline on Netflix. You know it’s crap, but it’s somewhat entertaining. You have no ideas how many hours I’ve wasted with friends and colleagues watching documentaries like that. In the end, we would try to proof it, but always failed. LOL
I used to lay tile, usually it was natural stone. Cutting stone is all about abrasion not any unbelievable technology. Straight lines are easily created by a taught string (laser straight). The massive workforce available to the Romans have the potential for massive amounts of work/time reduction. It is not so mysterious.
These guys are selling mystery. It sparks the imagination and their claims are exciting but simply absurd.
Your cutting 3/8-1/4”!thick stone and even then if your using a tile cutter ( no large circular at saw and hose available) you can have something break wrong. Imagine these barbaric size stones and no tech. The number of people makes no difference in the cutting technique only in the transportation etc
@Anno Kitsune
I don’t think OP is a king who can command huge numbers of people to do the work.
Kenneth More. Well said. Foerster suffers from self delusion, as do quite a few other commentators.
@@TherealVinnie the number of people doing anything increases productivity
You can have multiple teams cutting stone at different locations to increase productivity ... 2 people work three times faster than 1
@@oftin_wong Or you can have multiple teams working on one massive stone, with one team cutting while the other teams rest, repair broken equipment, fetch supplies, etc.
We’re so used to super-efficient modern means of production that we forget how many problems used to be solved by throwing more time and people at it. Copper saws would dull too rapidly? Assign guys to swap out and sharpen saws. Cutting through a massive stone would take “too long”? Lengthen the project timeline. These buildings weren’t ordinary shops and houses put up by people who had to finish quickly so they could get back to their regular work. These were palatial buildings funded by fabulously rich people who could afford to pay a full-time workforce. (And grunt labor was cheap.) Overcoming obstacles by adding workers wasn’t a hardship, it was how things were done.
It's at least refreshing to see someone ancient alien a European civilization. Equality in pseudo science yey?
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How is this guy not laughed out of giving lectures talking about his crazy ideas and theories for history? He really does have a low opinion of ancient human builders. The ancients are way more capable and intelligent than we give them credit for.
I know, right?
Ancient builders yes but most certainly not done by old Kingdom Egyptians. They simply inherited these objects. The super high grade precision could never been achieved with copper tools and sticks. There was an older civilisation with superior technology who did this. So yes you are fooling yourselves here on this channel, but be aware that history books will be rewritten cause new evidence is found every day in every corner of the world.
@@WorldofAntiquity point is you do not know lmao so arrogant stating that you know 🙄
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Foerster in the future seeing ruins of Burj Khalifa:
"Ancient high technology culture from 30,000 years ago!! Can't be the people from that time 2000 years ago, 'cause they are dumb, stupid and primitive!"
What about the perfectly shaped caves in granite in India? There are quite a few artifacts and examples which cannot be explained with "many people simple tools" theories. Look at the granite boxes in serpeum for instance. No way they are made with simple chisels. I support critical debate and this is a good contribution, but it definitely do not debunk "extinct high civilisation" theories.
Yes you are looking at an extinct high civilisation, but you seem unsatisfied with that explanation. I don't understand you guys - ancient peoples made all this shit to tell us who they were and people like you piss all over it with this "aliens" or "ancient Apple Corporation" shit. Here's the secret - they fucking used their brains and backs to make these things. You know how we find out about ancient advanced machinery (aka simple cranes)? By fucking actually looking for tools and not spacecraft debris.
“No way they were made with simple tools”? How do you know? Seriously… Are you an expert? If somebody spends their entire life working at a certain job they’re going to be expert at it, there’s no TV… There’s barely any other distractions people are working 10 hours a day… And that’s all they’ve got to focus on, and you don’t think they can make something that looks perfect?
@@aronato9524 We can’t recreate some of the old megalith stone work and structures today with our modern tools. Still you think that ancient man did all this with simple copper chisels ? Open your mind and eyes !
What about the caves... this videos on heliopolis Baalbek isn't it?
@@archie6962
That’s not an argument. We don’t have a civilization devoted to making such megalithic (to use this term correctly) structures. Ancient civilizations made all kinds of structures with stone and were far more acquainted with the techniques for working it than we are. Our advanced technologies are devoted towards other purposes since it’s just not as necessary to make such structures. It’s just not cost effective for us and isn’t worth putting the resources into compared to building a space telescope. The “we can’t do it now” argument is no argument. These ancient civilizations were masters at working with stone and obviously developed techniques that we haven’t thought of. If we started devoting our time and energy to building such structures, we would no doubt quickly rediscover such techniques. You’re essentially engaging in a form of chauvinism regarding modern civilization and how it views past peoples.
I just love how certain people are riding around the fact that your channel has less views than Foerster's. I mean, what does this have to do with the actual topic? 😆 One wants to desperately facepalm...
What's even more facepalm is that this guy here makes rookie mistakes such as pretending that iron tools would do anything to granite. Only diamond would work on granite. Rookie mistake and shameful.
It's because the majority of those who even remember who Foerster is when they read his name in the title are those who bought his crap.
@Galadriel Woods false. Iron tools can easily cut granite.
ah this is called the popularity fallacie and pseudos love it
I mean... fair is fair... Brien may get one thing wrong sometimes (supposedly) and yet mainstream archaeologist fans screech that it means he's wrong about everything. Mainstream archaeology was created to control the narrative.
Foerster probably doesn't believe the obelisk at St. Peter's Square in the Vatican was brought from Egypt as we know it was.
Love how you call it the "Alternative history business". Seems like that's exactly what it is and what these "alternative historians" fight to protect. It's all about the $$$'s.
I dare you to do a video about Brien Forester being wrong about his signature issue... elongated skulls.
I'm going to hazzard a guess and say "It was Aliens".
I think he changed his mind on that, didn't he?
@@WorldofAntiquity No. Brien has made elongated skull videos as recently as 1/27/21 (Paracas Wildlife Refuge And Ancient Child Mummy In Peru) and 1/13/21 (Intriguing Ancient Artifacts AT The Penn Museum In Philadelphia). Brien has always maintained that elongated skulls are a separate species and not the result of head-binding techniques.
@@WorldofAntiquity if you look at his instagram page he still most definitely proposes the elongated alien skull theory
So there were aliens and the only proof are their slightly different skulls and sweet granite columns. lol, what
What is up with Brien Foerster and his followers? Roman aqueduct systems, extensive and complex, were built over a period of about 500 years, from 300 B.C. to 200 A.D. The capital in Rome alone had around 11 aqueduct systems supplying freshwater from sources as far as 92 km away. If a culture can build all that, would they not also be able to cut, shape and transport granite? Use logic people.
"Dude, there's no way that ancient people could've made these!"
"So here's a passage from back then detailing how they made these..."
All based on racist ideas from the 1800's. "Only white Europeans could have built the pyramids. The Egyptians are to stupid for it". The stupid racist conspiracy is already 200 years old!
You should visit the temples in south India. It will blow your mind when you see chains made out of granite and a whole temple carved out of a a hill & also the pillars at the Warangal Temple and the extremely precise ceiling carvings. I would really love your explanation on that. Also explain how Angkor wat temple was made.
You cant even get your head around how complicated and impossible that is!
Very carefully
What's your explanation? Aliens, Demons, Gods?
@@Bulg329 men with extended hands in the form of chisels
That will kicked him in the head. Or maybe he will have an explanation of how those granite chains hanging from the ends of those Temples were made and also hung up.
Brian forester is actually highly accurate most the time, I don't think I heard him say he was an expert just that he has a theory that makes more sense the mess that is antiquity theory. I'd say you both have good points. Why don't you all actually collaborate so the Aliens can finally land.
One curious thing is that folks attracted to "alternative views outside of the mainstream" never seem to imagine a person like Foerster has simply created a money-making job for themself and they are now in it for the money. Of course that's what is going on. Foerster and others like him probably started out with enthusiasm for the topics, but then start making money and their goals shift. As a "mainstream scientist", I can assure you mainstream scientists are not in it for the money. There isn't a lot of money in mainstream science. There is, however, quite a bit of money to be had these days in doing what Foerster does. Why don't mainstream scientists do what Foerster does? Because it's stupid and embarrassing. Who would want to live their one life and come to the end of it having done nothing more than contributing misinformation to make a buck. I watched half this video and the creator does a good job systematically dismantling Foerster's misinformation. My goodness. What a waste.
I would like to ask the builders did you save time cutting & moving huge stones vs: cutting up smaller stones making the moving less difficult? Or did you incorporate huge stones for earthquakes?
That's a great question, thank you so much!
@@matveyshishov Thank you, that comment made my day! ❤️
The quarries were usually quite some distance.. Why make 10000 trips when you can just make one?
@@olivervision Why aren't all Roman temples megalithic then?
*_"did you save time cutting & moving huge stones vs: cutting up smaller stones making the moving less difficult?"_*
That would make it _more_ difficult. It was easier for them to cut one 100 ton block than 100 one tonne blocks, and easier and quicker to move it, too. Think of the extra time cutting and the extra surface area that needed to be shaped.
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What I find more bizarre is where you find the patience to deal with these things. Who are you, The Buddha?
The Romans couldn't build that far from Rome? He'd be blown away by what they did in Mérida, Spain.
Foerster was one of the first getting me curious and asking questions, but I agree that some of his theories can be a bit tedious.
Especially when he walks around Egypt and talks about everything having heat damage from some cataclysmic event.
Forester tells the truth, the real story, but the stupid man in this video deceives us, ask him who built alora caves or anghor wat or serapuem tombs, of course it was built by lost technology that completely disappeared
I don't understand how his anomalies are all " cataclysmic events.
Actually there is evidence of this heat damage everywhere you look on earth. A cataclysm definitely happened in that era.
@@mikec4196 not "everywhere" only on select spots
@@remember_Pat_Tillman Depends on the lens you look through. There is a preponderance amount of evidence that points to ionic winds and plasma discharges creating many of the "geological" features we observe.
"Shock quartz', spheracles, scalloped ridges, triangle buttresses, crater chains, and terraced blisters are all common, and predicted by plasma discharge.
Technically, its probable our geography was sculpted by plasma discharge in preexisting epochs.
Stones were recycled from an earlier time. Does he mention the megaliths that were unfinished? They had "scoop marks" at the bedrock that look like ice-cream scoop marks, but they were made in granite. How was that done?
They aren’t scoops. They are not uniform. It’s the pattern you get when using stone on stone with the quarrying method of leaving a middle section to break and it’s found in many Stone Age quarries around the world. We still quarry in some instances in the same way and they did it this way all through the Stone Age, Iron Age, and now.
@@Eye_of_Horus How do you explain the polygonal stone walls in Cusco, Peru where you cannot fit a business card between the cracks? Yet, you cannot find any examples of "scoop marks" in quarries in Peru. There were advanced civilizations long before the "Stone Age" restart.
@@beameup64 I used to be very into the alternative like you seem to be. The cuzco walls are impressive. But let’s assume they were hard to explain. Is there anything else, anything else at all that points to a Stone Age civilization with high tech? Keep in mind we have countless archaeological data from all over the globe during the entire Stone Age. And not just stone. There are also some finds of organic material such as baskets, clay pottery, etc. why don’t we find anything in these eras that lends to the idea of an ancient high tech society Anywhere on the earth?
With that out of the way, this channel has a video dedicated especially to the polygonal works of Peru. Why we know when and how they were built. It isn’t as much of a mystery as people like foerster try to make it. They are firmly dated to the Inca, and the Spanish even chronicle that they had the Inca build some of these polygonal works FOR them in cuzco for their own buildings.
@@beameup64 none of what you said is true.
@@jamisojo Unless you have poor eyesight, you can look the world over for the obvious remains of very ancient advanced civilizations literally "etched in (very large) stones". These "monuments" cannot be replicated by today's civilization.
Foerster is a fiction writer
One of the things that really get me. When someone is looking at something made in past. One of the first thing to come out of their mouth, is they did not have the tools or technology to make some thing like this back then. If they did not have the tools and technology to make it, it then it would be around for them to find it. Then there is the Giza Pyramids. They clam we could build them to day. We could could build them, we have the technology. What we don't have is those that would want to build them. The time and cost to do it, is not worth it to them is the truth of it. This is why we do not have people living on the Moon or Mars right now. It's about coast to do it. and no profit to do it. If there was profit to do it. We would have found a way to do it by now.
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Exactly. And I think that the way we look at their stone creations is how they would look at microchips and stuff we make. We have no idea how and why they made these things because each society has their priorities. Sorry if that didn’t make any sense lol.
Excellent. I was slowly starting to get sucked in by the 'Alternate History' mob. I needed a reality check and this was it. I have subscribed and am working my way through your posts. Thank you.
Same, it can be fun to imagine "what if" but I hadn't realised just how persuasive - and even deceptive - many of that crowd are.
At the very least, they engage in heavy cherry picking and "personal incredulity" type reasoning, while discounting anything that doesn't fit with their narrative.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and the evidence just isn't in their favour.
I also find it pretty insulting that people like Brian don't believe ancient groups of people could have built such amazing things. Just because we live different lives today, and have different technology levels, doesn't mean they didn't have artisans, architects and stone workers who spent their lives honing their craft! It's fascinating to learn about the actual history, it blows my mind, I actually prefer it to wild speculation these days as this actually happened! It's phenomenal and so interesting :)
Strange is your reality...
There should be a Nobel price for fact checking.
I find it hard to believe these people are anything but conmen, since these ancient advanced civilisations ideas first came about, we have found Gobleki Tepe. This is the earlier civilisation, and it wasn't advanced. There are no signs of metalwork or pottery, two of the most useful developments in human history and surely an entry point to be described as having 'technology'.
Thank you for the meaningful information you spread all over this video. Just respect your lecture. Nothing less!
I work on cnc processing of granite and marble ...You have no idea how difficult it is to work even today with such accuracy and dimensions ...I don't know who created Baalbeck but the story is definitely different .If you do not believe it, learn CNC machining yourself and show us how you process such columns and how long it will take you ....Your problem is theory and lack of practice ...
I have other people who work with granite and marble telling me the opposite.
@@WorldofAntiquity Let Them make a short movie for you, block processing for a column (or or something similar ) with similar dimensions ,polished ... tell tThem to say it's for Your channel on the yt :) .... You have no idea how long it takes and what machines you need to process! Cost cutters ! You're lying because you don't know anyone ehhehe . One more ...I am talking about modern times (CNC) but this temple was created a long time ago without modern machines ,primitive tools were used :D ....Do an experiment and build a small version of the temple using the old methods, tools , stone and you can end the speculation how it was done . Baalbek is not a great construction , In India I have seen buildings much more precise and magnificent .I cannot even imagine how people did it ! Even today it is a challenge for modern technology (I have been working on modern cnc machines for 16 years )
@@cyklop1977 You throw your ancient predecessors under the bus so easily. Stand up for your craft!
@@WorldofAntiquity wow what a great argument..
You work with modern equipment in a modern shop under modern assumptions. If you had sufficient time,and didn’t worry about cost, you could do a lot.
Great video. Ancient humans were a lot smarter than we think they were.
Like Obelix the Gaul ?
They were smarter because they sanely accepted such extraordinary challenges on every megalithic project they involved?
They were not only smart but also far better experts at working stone than what we are today (with manual tools) and Foerster is an arrogant fool who thinks back then they were kind of retarded. So far from the truth.
@@littledan6994, the contrary to be honest.
BF... Cough... Hack... Cough... After 20+ years of exposure to his incredulous narratives... I am left with nothing but ridicule for his dishonesty. Challenge me if you must but I believe this repudiation exemplifies my distrust in anything he ever expounds upon.
I can barely express how delighted I am that this video has nearly 2,000 views rn, but I'm still bummed that his video has over 300,000.
So many people would rather believe fairy tales and nonsense rather than be fascinated by the REAL scholarly, informed research done on these sites.
We need to make debunking nonsense as popular as the nonsense.
SUPPORT THIS CHANNEL ON PATREON!!
Its more fun to believe in advanced civilization that are lost. I think deep down inside many people believe the truth, but choose to follow pseudoscience for the serotonin boost lol
@@mariolongtin8271 but the realities, the things we can verify and comprehend, are SO much cooler than the nonsense! And all the MORE fascinating because they're true! 🤷♂️
@@tkgsingsct I agree!
Fantasy sells more... Unfortunately.
Your videos are exactly what I wanted to see in history documentaries. It never ceases to amaze me how many incorrect or outright useless videos are out there, all at the top of the search page, luring in all the itchy ears. They sure go out of their way to create a mystic where science and information have already tread and retread. Thanks for giving us the facts.
This is an excellent and interesting video, but it is rather tragic that people like Foerster make this debunking necessary. I wish people would attain some minimal level of competence before spreading their "wisdom" to the world.
You know something from the alternative side that is interesting are the protuberances found on the giant stones. You do see it around the world. Was just something small I noticed and what the alternative side likes to point out. I don't buy it was aliens or lost technology for a minute but that is interesting to see that same feature on stones around the world.
This guy, Foerster misses all the beauty and wonder of the classical world, to keep pounding on his crackpot ideas. He doesn't even know a barrel vault from an arch, and how both are made with smaller stones for obvious reasons that both the classical and modern builders know before they even begin. I worked on cave construction. That tunnel in Baalbek looks like the rough structure we had in the cave before the interior was finished with finer materials.
Would there not be evidence on the end of the column if they were shaped on giant lathes?
Secondly, columns are used to withstand compression. I'm wondering what sort of forces would be affecting a long block of stone suspended by its ends on a lathe. I'm not good with physics and would love to know if such a machine even existed, would it be possible to turn a huge column on a lathe.
Thanks for the video.
ps How much do the Illumunati pay for masking the truth.
I feel like it's time for a change in my career. Since THEY control the world, the money must be really good.
(Sorry, after seeing the pinned comment, it had to be asked! lol)
I actually laughed out loud when Brian said those columns were turned on a lathe. People have used lathes for stone work (mostly for art projects and the like). But you'd need such a massive lathe to turn those columns it no sane person would try it.
@@johnsturm9344
I've had time to re think my position on this question, John.
You see the aliens used anti gravity to lift the huge pillars of stone, and place it in a magnetic field to hold steady.
It's basically a tractor beam on the space craft, which is why we've never found a lathe.
The magnetics are arranged such that when poles change rapidly, the stone starts to spin and the aliens laser blaster are set to "masonry".
It all makes so much sense now.
Whatever happened to Occam's Razor? lol
@@pencilpauli9442 Lol! Don't give them new ideas!
I don't think most of these guy's understand what Occam's Razor is.... or basic common sense for that matter.
If it was necessary, and I don't believe that they needed lathes, but there is such a thing as a vertical lathe and that would work at slow spinning speed if there was a live cutter like a modern machine.
It's highly unlikely and unnecessary to use a conventional horizontal lathe.
They could carve in place and grinding with precision curved laps.
@@richtomlinson7090
Right, and I guess the bit was raised and lowered by floating drones?
Maybe a crane?
Maybe with lasers and a UFO?
I'd rather carve the thing with Occam's Razor tbh
Ancient Aliens Debunked is a great video, too.
Putting a 50-ton granite column on a lathe is utterly impossible. Sorry ancient tech people.
Stone has amazing compressibility, and incredible strength when in compression, just like concrete. But it also has no tensile strength, just like concrete. This is why we have to put reinforcing into concrete, and why we create pre-stressed, and/or post-stressed concrete when it has to span a gap.
This is also why natural stone arches are quite rare, always arched, always amazing to see, and why they don't last for long.
If you tried to pick up a granite column just by each end, it will immediately snap in the middle. A column is only strong in one direction, downwards! Not sideways! A lathe only supports the workpiece at each end, and it drives only one end. I know this very well, because I have a lathe, and have used them for decades.
Wood is a very amazing substance, and it has incredible strength in both compression AND in tension, and that is why we build our houses out of wood. Wood is easy to lathe because it retains a lot of tensile strength even when the cross-section is small.
No stone has the tensile strength to support 25 feet of cantilever with just 5 feet of diameter! Only reinforced concrete, or massive and tall wooden beams, or huge steel I-beams can handle such enormous cantilever loads. Unreinforced concrete would fail instantly - just as granite would in the same scenario.
So, anyone who suggests you can put a 50-ton, 50-foot piece of stone in a lathe is an absolute idiot and knows nothing about lathes, or stone, or how wood differs from stone. So it is a pretty spectacular failure to anyone with even a little knowledge of the physical world.
Once again - sorry, ancient tech guys. I know you really believe this bullshit, but as Mark Twain (Mr Samuel Clemns) famously said, "It is much easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled."
The truth hurts you so much, because you are emotionally invested in lies and falsehoods. And to admit you have been deceived, and now wish to understand the facts is a very difficult thing to do, because it involves being honest with yourself, and requires you to admit your mistakes to yourself. That is not an easy thing to do.
And once you do accept your mistaken beliefs, you also need to accept what you have done and said in the pursuit of justification for your bizarre beliefs. You have appeared very foolish to a very large number of people. And not just foolish: wilfully and aggressively so.
I have been fooled by people in the past. It is no fun, and I feel a bit sad for all of you.
Excellent info. Thanks for sharing!
Lathes can be vertical too, and they very often are if used to work with large workpieces. If i belive or even think they was used to turn granite columns, no. It be far easier to turn a marking tool around the columns , then go in and hammer down the uneven sections (left by the marking tool). How they actually made them columns , i will not claim to know.
I like your work. Really nice and educational. Thanks for making them. Pls don't give so much latitude to the "Martian" kooks like Foerster. It makes them look rational and legitimate archeologists, which they are not. They are not worth refuting. Just read what this guy here (@jeffd6994) says. Do you think anyone using logic or science could possibly make him or Foerster, see the light and all the evidence? Nope. The cult is a fringe religion, and as such, it is not open to question, to evidence or logic. It is a CULT, busy with "Atlantians." "aliens," and Martians
Does Mr Foerester know the Romans had boats?
@LUKE: BF would insist that IF the Romans had boats, they didn't build them. The Atlanteans built them, and the Romans found those boats "lying around" after the worldwide mud-flood cataclysm...
Holy Shit! The comments on this video?! I’m so sorry so many people cannot appreciate your scientific spirit. I loved your video and am really thankful for the work that went into it!
it's because people refuse to be sheep, atleast most of us. unlike you
Stop making Blabla and work for a Year on building sites. If you done we talk again.
I would love to know how the Egyptians cut those boxes out of the one piece of stone and cut angles to within a thousandth of an inch. Today's technology can't do this. There has been plenty of attempts at recreating thongs like those boxes or even pyramids on a smaller scale and they always fail. Let's face it, a lot of these historians were pist off at gobeklitepi lol, they didn't know what to say..lol.....What was it they ended up saying? Yeah, hunter gatherers did it lol one day...lol
Scientific spirit requires some demonstration of capability. Saying, "It was done with primitive tools and methods" means nothing without at least some demonstration of those methods. "It's silly to think that any advanced civilization existed before ours" is not a scientific approach. Look at Sacsayhuaman and demonstrate a method of making and fitting even the smaller wall stones with that precision with pounding stones and rope.
@@leonardmead1425 omg. Can you even hear yourself?
Angles are measured in degrees, not thousands of inches.
And they didn't hold tolerances to 1000ths of inches.
Just because some doofus on a video told you everything is "precise" doesn't mean that it actually is.
None of that is true.
Furthermore, we most certainly can hold those tolerances today. And not to the thousandth of an inch... But to the 10th of a thousandths of an inch.
You are repeating what some fool said. Try not to be so gullible in the future.
I love your videos David so funny how people just can’t see real evidence and will go for pseudo theories
theories are always pseudo for definition...
"I don't know if he's purposely lying or just doesn't know."
My vote is "purposely lying." He would have corrected himself by now if it was merely ignorance. Very motivated reasoning, of course -- he makes money spreading this BS.
I'm just guessing here but when he says "Megalithic Age", maybe he's implying the period of time that Stonehenge was constructed, because you know, MYSTERIOUS CONSTRUCTIONS
That guy is absolutely pretending to give a talk to a room, but when he looks up he only ever looks at the camera
That is funny and clever of you, and while I agree with your sentiment, a guy who regularly gets over 300,000 views on his videos would not struggle to fill a 30 person room.
@@Yeoldelole it's entirely possible for a guy who's enlightened to the existence of ancient alien technology to film a fake ted talk
@@eky I agree that it’s entirely possible, but he has drawn a lot of crowds at a lot of events for a lot of years. There’s no actual reason to assume that’s the case in any given video with him appearing to be on stage.
@@Yeoldelole yea i guess you convinced me, i can see it might be simply badly produced (acam's razor applies not just to lost high tech lol). You convinced me, in that case i imagine the point of the original commenter was that the guy was cooky enough do such a thing. Or maybe to bring to mind tiktokers that film fake podcast clips
@@eky oh he’s definitely nuts
In my youth (1992) I regularly moved weights of 22tons more than 500m on rollers by myself human power no pulleys or motor power. It could take hours of leveraging by hand. Oxen teams would have no problems moving many times that weight over long distances .
Not uphill.
ANY proof for it!?
I've once seen this video on tv of a guy, who claimed to lift a multiton block all by himself.
It worked. But they forgot to show, how he got the first cuneo under the block....
I believe you. Would love to hear a more in-depth description of what and how you did it.
The guy thinks he knows everything there is to know, lol. Maybe he got some smoke from his buddy, at 38:45. That dude always looks high or dru8nk.
He says the granite was taken "up the Nile" instead of down the Nile. lol
This channel is a breath of fresh air. Actually trying to explain it instead of saying. "Ancient alien theorists believe"
for your consideration ruclips.net/video/O9ZRXC95qMs/видео.html
Call me gullible but I believed a lot of Briens info a couple of years back, thank you for exposing his misinformation, another great video keep it up mate.
Brien Foerster, Hancock and Randall Carlson in Archeology and HIstory are basically the same type of guy like Frank Dux or George Dillman in Martial Art.
Dux would probably tell you that he built a pyramid.
I'm always curious to know exactly how advanced these ancient advanced civilisations are supposed to be.
That's the fun of it, since there's no positive evidence you can shove just about anything in the gaps. This guy keeps things vague, but the history channel dudes say Baalbek was a landing pad for spaceships. Built out of cut rock, no advanced materials.
Well,.. the Romans used to refer to chickens to tell the future
The Egyptians thought the sun died every night to be born again in the morning ...highly advanced
@@oftin_wong That didn't stop them being pinnacles of civilisation in lots of other areas.
@@theradgegadgie6352
exactly
...some pinnacle, best not to imagine that they were highly advanced ...
Where do you think the term
.." you can't take it with you"..
Came from?
.... Just ask a pharaoh
@@oftin_wong Well, he'd probably disagree with it.
Odd thing about these civilisations: they reached the pinnacle of their development after a century or two, and then did bugger-all innovative for two thousand years. No more inventions, nothing. That's the big different between them and us. Even fifty years produces radical differences in our world.
Brien "I plagiarize my books from Wikipedia" Forester
?
never heard that accusation before
@@ArmchairPhilosopher360 I know lmaoo brien works hard and his passionate about his work. Obviously he didn’t get all his information from Wikipedia😂
@@ArmchairPhilosopher360 ahotcupofjoe.net/2019/01/review-of-brien-foersters-beyond-the-black-sea-the-mysterious-paracas-of-peru/
Apparently upto 90% of his book is plagiarized from wikipedia and other similar source. Many times copied word for word.
@@swirvinbirds1971 Thank you. Very interesting.
I’m interested in knowing is there another example of Romans building with similar sized megalith stones such as those at Baalbek? I’ve not seen that in any other Roman buildings I can think of. I think quite often with people like Brian foerster an initial anomaly or unexplained idea is often embellished with layers of additional hypotheses that simply aren’t true. Thanks for the great videos it’s interesting to see someone taking the time to explain.
Luke there are no other buildings like these in Rome itself . Why would they not have?, is a question this guy never asked. This guy,I believe is being paid to try and ridicule people who are asking question's that the academic have no reasonable answer to. What about the boxes in Egypt that were built out of the one stone and the angles were within a thousand of an inch? Today's technology cannot do this. They said they could make a Box like it but would have to use 4 separate bits of stone.
Yes, the most famous probably being in the remains of Herod's temple in Jerusalem.
wsome real maths ruclips.net/video/O9ZRXC95qMs/видео.html
@@andrewwigglesworth3030 Herod wasn’t Roman though was he?
@@lukerobinson3983 Herod the Great was client King imposed by the Roman Senate after Judea was conquered and annexed to the Roman Empire (strictly, initially to the Roman Republic of course). Herod was very pro-Roman and opposed by a significant portion of the population, many of whom didn't believe he was Jewish.
His building programme used Roman techniques and technology, it was a style of Classical architecture that can be placed firmly in the Roman world.
It's funny how instead of being awed by feats of the Romans, Forrester goes immediately to his pet cause. This philosophy, when it isn't just racism, is just about underestimating premodern technology and premodern effort. We don't do this kind of thing not because we can't, but because we've found easier ways. Does he dismiss castles? Canals? Aqueducts? Bridges? why can't the same people who built the Pantheon and Colosseum also drag giant columns across the Mediterranean? Medieval peasants built hundreds of Cathedrals and mosques and temples and the Great Wall of China with wooden cranes and ropes. What does he think premodern people were capable of doing? Are wattle and daub houses the limits of his understanding?
Every Alternative Historian:
AnCiEnT pEoPLe CaN’t MoVe HeAvY RoCKs
What is more believable: people had ways of moving heavy rocks, OR aliens moved the rocks. They didn’t share any other technology. They cam from space and moved rocks.
It would be epic if this guy went on one of Brian Forrester's tours & question everything he said!
Great job exposing this nut job!
Just wondering, are you jealous of the fact that Brian Forster and Ben have more subscribers than you and people book historical and archeological holidays with them? Your rude, inaccurate and unwarranted criticism of their videos makes you look ‘petty’ and also reaffirms their arguments about academia being part of the problem not the solution. Until Gobekli Tepe weren’t you sure human civilisation started no more than 6000 years ago? Isn’t that enough to give you at least some humility and admit your version of human history may just be wrong ?🤔😮
This guy should be ignored man. He thinks the idea of schist disc being used to make ropes as being offensively incorrect. But thinks it’s reasonable to speculate whether it was apart of some nonexistent sonic vibration device.
It seems to me many people want to believe in these conspiracies, to the point that they can't accept reasonable explanations. I think it is still important to reveal the truth, because we can't simply allow this kind of thinking to go unchecked. If we know the facts of a matter due to demonstrated science, we should definitely expose those who would take advantage of people who can be carried along by these false reasonings. In the end these folks are making money from the ignorance of others. Even if they actually believe the things, they are saying are true, they choose to ignore the evidence that is far too overwhelming to simply stick to the same old claims. I guess Trajan was also an alien. How else did that massive column with all of those reliefs get constructed?
Brilliant post, well said...
I recently saw a video showing Ben from UnchartedX and either Brien Foerster or Graham Hancock in Peru. It didn't take long until the whole video started to remind me of those clips of people hunting the paranormal. Everybody was suspicious about everything, but luckily obvious clues proved their thesis of higher powers to be correct. It nearly had pieces of a comedy.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. All the best to you and your family.
EDIT: To me the picture showing the tunnel with different sized stones the stones to the side look like being exposed to fire or smoke from fire. Following the line the same stones seem to brighten up in direction of the opening door. But it could be also just an optical illusion due to the sunlight shining in.
I've watched lots of those videos from those guys. There really is only one argument when it comes to the big rocks, moving and carving them. Could ancient people have done this or not? I found plenty of RUclipsrs showing exactly how they did it. Hard work yes but it's not like these ancient people had regular 9-5 jobs and did this in their spare time. This was their life's work, they had the time and of course they got really good at it.
I have often wondered if some prehistoric advanced civilization could have existed then completely disappeared without a trace of the advanced technology they had. I am completely open to this, just waiting on solid evidence. 🙂
@@mixer6166 there is no proof of how the ancient Peruvians cut and carved the megalithic polygonal ashlar masonry. There's no bronze saws, no evidence of copper or bronze chisels. Experts can't explain sascayhuaman and many other such sites. The ones that do claim to know are merely postulating theory's and are showing their hubris by thinking they know 100%
Whenever I'm feeling down, I put on Ancient Aliens to make me belly laugh.