The Wraith vs The Borg | Stargate vs Star Trek
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- In this video we will be looking what would happen if the Borg went to war with the Wraith. Could the Borg Cube defeat the Wraith vessel. At the end of the video we will see who would win if these two went to war.
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If the Wraith ships are alive couldn't the Borg literally assimilate them?
No they could not assimilate the Undine species 8472
@@darkmatter1152 That was because Species 8472 biology is highly complex and destroy most other organic mater that it made it difficult if not impossible to assimilate, though in STO, they do eventually succeed. The same may not be true of the Wrait which is genitacly simpler.
Their ships are organic but that doesn't mean they are alive.
Yes they can , in the end they Even assimilate the species 8472 and their vessel, justo need a littlle time to adjust
@@jorgemayer9833 not on TV show. Did it happen in STO
oooh.. This looks like a fun match up..
Yo.. what's a Romulan sympathizer doing here.
Hey Lore, how are you doing.
Hands down Borg would win.
Fuck yeah they would!!
Borg would fall to the overwhelming waves of hits.
@@debbiebernhardt5406 And return the favor with waves of their own. We do see when they are serious and near their space, they do send fleets of 20-30 Cubes to a single target.
@@raw6668 thanks for extending this sequence of events, the Borg are not designed to handle projectile weapons like energy weapons due to adaptability difference. The darts penetrate the Borg armor but the shields won’t last longer than an hour due to how they constantly send waves of clones. Battle of attrition and numbers is what is playing out.
@@debbiebernhardt5406 I don't think the Borg ever faces too many enemies with projectile weapons. But even then, there are factors to consider.
1) Borg ships have magnetic and standard deflector shields. It takes ships and torpedoes with their own shields to penetrate them. Darts without shields will bounce off like space debris.
You could make the argument that it also depends on kinetic force, as seen in Voyager when debris from a destroyed planet hit the hull, though the Cube did shrug it off. But then you go to point 1.5 for dealing with Wrait Darts.
1.5) However, even if that is the case the Dorg do have counters like sweeping energy that can take dozens if not hundreds of darts down at once while destroying a hive ship at the same time, or powerful tractor beams.
2) It takes a lot to destroy a Borg Cube. I believe that it is stated that unless you know a specific weakness in their power grid, you could destroy 79% of a Cube and it will still function.
3) Tactical Borg Cubes, which are armored Cubes designed for high-level opponents such as the Voth.
Then there is the rule of cool, where it is based on the writer's feeling. If a writer feels they want either faction to win, they will win. So if you don't like the argument, just say the rule of cool wins and a thousand fights slamming into a cube and tearing it apart like we see in Star Trek Beyond is cooler than a Borg beam sweep followed by explosions.
Ori Mothership vs Covenant Assault Carrier(StarGate vs Halo)
Now that's a good one!
I`ve just realized that Borg are only interested in bipedal beings unless I missed something. Would they assimilate someone like Tholians? Maybe only their tech but not themselves.
As for video I`d rather think of Wraith vs Dominion or something. Borg are too strong for them. Great analysis as always!
Except Species 8472. They’re tripedal
Is usseles for you,because they dont kill there victims,they assimilate them,so,they must be close. If a enemy of borg is to dangerous and need to kill him,drones and ships have advanced weapons to do that.
I think the biggest problem is the assumption the Borg doesn't use torpedoes with nanoprobes to assimilate whole hive ships. The Episode Voyager Scorpion shows they not only have the capability to make such torpedoes but during the war with Species 8472, could make a bomb big enough to encompass a whole star system upon detonation. They may not bother because most races have shields, or maybe come standard armor when wanting to take a ship whole instead of resources to build/repair a ship by destroying their target.
Also, it is true that Borg doesn't invent, they are really good at taking other ideas and improving them.
The Borg assimilate the Wraith, turn and assimilate the Undine based on this... then with this bioship tech they become the TYRANIDS say hello to Hive Leviathan!
Depends if the nanobots work on the Wraith!
There literally is not a race in all of Star Trek that they did not work on. Even 8472 succumbed to them.
@@Matt-yg8ub Yeah. Probably the only reason they didn't work on 8472 (besides plot armor) is because they were from an alternate reality. Also 8472 had enough raw power to destroy a planet. Do the Wraiths have that kind of power?
@@RickySpanish12344 No they do not. The Wraith don’t hold a candle to 8472
@@Matt-yg8ub Gotcha. Well then they shouldn't be able to do much to a Borg cube.
@@RickySpanish12344 They did work on 8472, they just required some adjustments to get past 8472’s insanely aggressive immune system.
The question to me is if the Wraith can feed off the Borg? And how would that affect them after consuming "life energy" from the Borg- would that result in them becoming part of the Borg Collective? Either way I have to give this to the Borg. They can adapt and assimilate most technology, including biotechnology.
No they can't, you don't remember Species 8472 the Borg could not adapt their Bio-Tech or assimilate them into their collective. In theory they probably wouldn't be able to do the same to the Wraith.
i would say a wraith can feed of a borg drone and kill the organic part. (altough with more trouble than any "normal" biospecies would give them) but they would probably get infected with nanites in the process.
@@hulmhochberg8129 The Borg would also go "Look a planet, assimilate" collect data on the Wraith buy just one who knew of the Wraith.
@@Pistol-ve6ji i dont think that would be an effective strategy. the wraith live almost exclusivly in their hiveships and have very few planetary outposts, that are usually hidden.
and the knowledge you would gain from the humans would be extreemly basic. nothing that cant be gained from just observing/encountering them. i'd say a single assimilated wraith would give more intel than an entire world of human "livestock" .
unless you just happen upon an genii spy, or an atlantean sg team, theres really not much there thats useful.
@@hulmhochberg8129 it's a toss up, I am a fan of both genre, and think on how the Borg adapt to weapon fire and assimilate the food of the Wraith.
It's a good topic, you make good points, in the end I think its the Borg who come pit in the end.
The Borg would curb stomp the Wraith on Day One.
There would be no pushback by the Wraith. They’d just get their asses handed to them.
Thats what the Ancients also thought.
@@Spacefrisian And that's what happened 9/10 until late in the war. The Borg are not the Ancients though and there blood is crawling with nanites. The moment they try to feed it's over plus, the adapt VERY quickly as well, they don't have a numbers issue either if the Wraith are invading the ST delta quadrant milky way.
how about a match up of the borg vs the atlateean nanite culure from the stargate pegusus faction
finally a worthy opponent. their battle will be legendary
Borg VS Replicators would be an awesome match. Hope you'll do a matchup in the future
Borg is dinner for the replicators.
@@gozer825 I think that the two would ally and merge as the Borg seek to achieve perfection, which the replicators are close to. The Replicators would gain access to advanced tech which would make them even more powerful. Win win for them both.
i would like stick around to find out the victor would be it would be time to pack up and leave
You are focusing on strengths like fleets, technology and population size and i agree with you that the borg will win in such a confrontation. However the wraith are very clever and have been known to use computer virusses. So once they discover that a conventional war is not in their favor i think they will use a computer or biological virus to cripple the borg. They already deployed such tactics against the pegasus replicators.
True, that could work if the wraith could pull it off.
@@UtopianBroadcast1 Well Janeway and some other races managed to pull it off., often without the resources that the wraith posses.
Also the wraith can recruit smart humans by either threatening to eat them OR grand them the gift of life, restoring their youth.
Or they can modify the virus they gave the pegasus replicators and have them fight the borg.
So many possibilities! :D
That only worked against the Assurans, because the Assurans were intentionally limited by both the plot and the Lantian programming
The Borg has assimilated highly advanced species. I find it unlikely that they aren't capable of stopping such a virus.
@@RickySpanish12344 Straktrek tng and voyager both had episodes were the borg were shown vunerable to biological and computer virus.
The borg aquire knowledge by assimilation, so if they are facing something unknown to them and they cannot assimilate it then they have no way of stopping it, example species 8472.
The borg are shown to be bad at creative thinking.
Wraith commander: "hmm, food delivery in odd cube shaped boxes"
Awesome only just a few days ago I posted that I would love to see this on a different one of your vids and that I am cureous to know if a wraith could resist assimilation. Thank you for this vid. Now lets watch !!!! :)
Towards adaptivedo not understand it after the board gets hit once or twice they would cearley adapt and make their weapons much more useful and their Shields much more this would not take for generations but only one if not a few attacks I'm sure the borg would absolutely decimate
I think Borg would be able to assimilate the Wraith technology. It's stated in Stargate Atlantis that Wraith actually used humans to create their ships. The Wraith ships are genetically modified humans. Terrifying thought to think about, but the Wraith are not known for being nice. Borg are quite capable of assimilating humans, so they should not have any trouble assimilating the ships.
The Borg are likely to discover the Wraiths' true origins and will exploit that just like how the humans in the Stargate-verse did.
i'd love to see a Minbari vs Jem'hadar war
The real question is could the Borg stand against the replicators?
After all the replicators did make relatively short work of the wraith.
It stands to reason they would wipe out the Borg as well.
If they could access borg technology the borg would be done.
Yeah, I'd give it to the replicators as well, their ability to adapt and grow seems to massively outpace the borgs
The only way the borg could win is if their nanites are better at nanite vs nanite assimilation somehow.
Even if the borg did win, due to the adaptive route they would need to take to win, the collective that would emerge from this battle would probably more closely resemble the replicators than the borg anyway.
Nah I think the Borg would win if they made a Janeway type alliance with the SGC.
@@src6339 Yep agreed, all that would be needed was to have at least one replicator gain access to a borg vinculium, from there they would have access to all the borg.
More then likely make a beeline all the way to the central plexus ( through access to the trans warp conduits) Then a straight shot to the Queen.
While simultaneously taking over the borg hive mind for thier benefit.
I would give a conservative estimate the replicators would win in a matter of months. Barring any outside interference.
Nice video! But you missed a major point. The Borg would also want some of the Human population. That's a wraith food.
borg wins hands down. sapace zombies always beat space vampires especially when space zombies can turn space vampires into space zombies.... the level of tech the borg have is on par or close to the level of tech the ancients had. the ancients only lost the war because the were greatly out numbered even tho their tech was far superior than wraith tech, tech that hadn't or needed to elvolve since the war with the ancients
I'm not sure if the Wraith would figure out that the Borg will ignore you if you don't pose a threat. Yes, the Borg would be interested in the Wraith technology but probably not in the Wraith themselves. Species with telepathic abilities seem to either be assimilated easily into the Collective or fight back and attempt to keep their individuality, so I doubt the Borg would want to assimilate a species with such strong psychic powers as the Wraith. I think the Borg would be happy with just one or two Wraith ships then deem them unworthy of assimilation and begin scouring the Pegasus Galaxy for other species to assimilate while the Wraith would do everything in their power to destroy the Borg since the Wraith do not tolerate species as or more advanced than them. Now the Wraith's lack of unity would be a big problem in the begin and would probably allow the Borg to get a foothold and assimilate enough ships to adapt to Wraith weapons before the Wraith would team up to fight against the Borg but at that point it would be too late. Now the Borg just might get fed up with the constant attacks from all the Wraith factions and just decide to exterminate the Wraith which would speed up Wraith unification and lead to a full scale conflict and a devastating war of attrition that neither side would want. Although in the end the Wraith might just let the Borg assimilate all the other advanced species in the galaxy leaving it devoid of anyone capable of challenging them thus securing their dominance over the galaxy once again. I'm curious to see what improvements the Borg could make on Wraith hyperdrive technology.
Here’s what your missing, once a borg drone sees the feeding cycle of a wraith. It’s gonna realize that they rely on life forms as fuel source to sustain them without aging. Aging was mostly resolved in Borg, but that would fail in front of wraith since every Borg drone has very to little life essence. The Borg have the word vampiric in their info. So once those events of feeding and connecting to vampire clicks, it’s going to full on war mode. The reason would be that both sides use human bodies to expand their forces. But the Borg generate enough energy to counter variable frequency, not constant bombardments. Wraith cruisers would overwhelm the Borg cubes hours into fighting if they launch automated fighters directly into the hull and shoot it while it is happening. The generator can’t sustain that much drain without getting depleted. Wraith defend their food source but Borg defend each other. Cubes and wraith ends in draws always, but the armada of wraith wins against cubes, but the cubes connected together would last longer as they would have more energy to use before failure.
The Borg would win as they would only have to assimilate one hiveship or cruiser and the crews onboard to learn everything about the Wraith including exactly how there weapons work and adapt their shields to render Wraith pulse weapons ineffective, while also coming up with adaptions to their disruptors and cutting beams to more efficiently cut through Wraith armour. Plus when they want to be the Borg can be sneaky and are not above using nanotechnology viruses to defeat highly resistant enemies.
Let's all remember that the Wraith have devised a way to disable the single command that the Asurans ran on: the elimination of the Wraith.
So I think, with time and research, and a captured Borg drone, they will be able to devise a way to counteract Borg command codes.
it'd really depend on the amount of borg that the wrath encountered, any kind of large enough force to defend themselves from the entire wrath fleet could take away their entire food source.. assuming the wrath are immune to being taken over even if the wrath can feed on borg it'd just become more and more dangerous to feed on borg they'd take massive losses just to feed- while the borg grew in strength.
The wrath would need a small force they could put down with focused attention if they let too many slip through they're doomed, and the borg would likely find the rest of the galaxy... and come back for the borg one day.
which could lead to a long term alliance between the wrath and earth.
The wraith spank the Borg and send them home in cd form. Multiphasic weapons etc. Okay then.
fun fact: wr FTL tech is one of the worst on SG but on ST is only litle slowee that borg so is one of the faster ftl
I am curious how the amount of territory each race posesses compares? The Wraith dominate the whole of their galaxy, but Pegasus is a dwarf galaxy. The Borg dominate only a fraction of the much larger Star Trek universe Milkyway galaxy.
Who actually has more territory?
Given the limitations of Wraith hyperdrive, would they be able to be as dominant in larger galaxy?
well if go by the sg1 milkyway as controlled by the goauld they would still dominate. they would be slower than hataks, but they also could destroy them without problem. since wraith weapons can contend with ancients shields, goauld shields dont do much. if they work like the tollan ioncannons did, a single hive could destroy entire fleets goauld ships.
@@hulmhochberg8129 it wouldn't take long for the Go'auld to realise that they just need to maneuver below, above or behind the hive ships to take them down and they are much more maneuverable than the Hive ships or Cruisers.
you forgot one simple thing - borg nanites would destroy any wraith that feeds
If I make a kindly request check out an amazing underrated Sci Fi series called Farscape they have an entire show about it that went for four seasons.
It is an amazing series and one of my most favorite Sci Fi ever that may even surpass Babylon 5, Deep Space Nine, and Stargate.
My favorite villain in the show is Scorpius.
B5 no, the others possibly or a least as good.
It seems that the Borg would just have to assimilate a habdful of Wraith and they would learn all their strengths and weaknesses. In any war the deciding factor is usually getting intelligence on your enemy.
Single best technology advantage is shields. One side has shields? Other one go pawn itself
Interesting take. Ultimately I think it comes down to the wraith finding zpms. If they don't. The Borg would eventually overtake them. If they do and adapt them to the hive ships, no the Borg would lose as at that point the wraith wouldn't even need shielding. The hull growth would make it too dense for Borg weaponry. The power output of the weapons with a zpm would probably be too high of an output for the Borg to adapt to. Even a partially adapted zpm made light work of the Daedalus and Apollo which both probably had better shielding than star trek given it's shielding from the Asgard as well as their beam weapon.
Another aspect is nanites vs nanites like. While the Borg could not completely assimilate the wraith, they could cause havoc with the human DNA component, just don't know what that reaction would be. For the wraith, remember they are part human, part eratus bug and the eratus bug basically does the same thing. Again, the wraith wouldn't have to adapt the enzymes the eratus bug uses just adapt enough to affect the organic components of the Borg. Again, no one knows what that effect would be.
Well the Borg nanoprobes would make quick work of both Wraith and their ships, but Wraith are notoriously good with hacking computers and security systems. If they weren't outright destroyed quickly, I think the Wraith might cause a big problem for the Borg.
The Borg winning is just simply terrifying. imagine them assimilating the Wraith, and just GROWING Borg Cubes? And just by assimilating a Queen, they can just grow more Wraith bodies to replace their numbers when they take losses. They won't have to raid planets to replace their numbers.
I was actually looking for the borg v cynobites.... maybe you can make a video on these two alien species
I would think the only real chance the Wraith would have in a major conflict with the Borg would be if they can pull the same trick they did with Asurans (?) and mess with their computers. Although I would wonder how the Borg Queen would be able contend wtih a Wraih Queens TP? Wraith Vs is a Topic I enjoy
Or modify the virus they gave the asurans and have them fight the borg.
@@origami83 Now there is a Episode Idea right there!💡
The Borg have assimilated many species with telepathic abilities, the Wraith bring nothing new to that challenge.
Would love to see a Borg vs Stargate Replicators video. Would there even be a fight or would they just sort of merge with each other?
Another questions I've never seen answered is can the Borg connect their Transwarp system to other galaxies? I would think that they would if they could - expansion being there main goal. Not Andromeda as they would have learned from Star Fleet records about the issues going on there, mostly from TOS encounters with a couple of different races from that galaxy. Then again, the Borg may be interested in assimilating a species that had managed to develop technology that allowed them to travel between the two galaxies.
John 117 Master chief vs sho fukamachi GUYVER
The Guyver crushes Master Chief easily.
@@leroypowell3 it’s nice to know there’s someone else who has the same opinion as me most of my friends think
Master chief will come out on top
Would the wraith survive assimilation? wraith do not consume food so how long would a wraith body last being assimilated?
Borg (Startrek) vs Cybermen (Dr. Who)
The cybermen win (canonically)
@@bladex6979 how is that canonical when they have never meet canonically?
@mre4u422 There was an official crossover. The cybermen can't be assimilated
@@bladex6979 where? cause I'm guessing it was just a well written fanfic
I'd like to see a fight between the Wraith, and the Dominion. Based on what I've learned about the Wraith I think the Dominion would win, but the discussion would be interesting.
Dominion win because they hsve changelings. If they kill a queen and change him,rest of wraith are doom.
Together they make the worg.
Not enough food for Wraith to get big enough to have a chance...
Borg can change and adapt wraith organism because they use nanobots. A wraith ship is an easy target,because when they appear in front of a borg cube,thousend of drones will teleport on hive and start to assimilate them,even ships.
I could imagine the Borg assimilating wraith, then the wraith wreakign havoc after 1 month of the war with no feeding inside pretty much every cube with the Borg trying to disconnect them but wraith feeding on drones and regeneration preventing it
Wraith after assimilation dont need to feed,like another assimilated species. Nannobots will make all jobs,plus now with wraith,drones will regenerate fast. :) Maybe they create new drones who will regenerate consuming another species.
The Borg are a combination of meat and metal it would need just 1 milky way galaxy replicator to get on board a Borg cube and say good bye to the Borg. A Pegasus Galaxy Replicator would likely be even more efficient.
Wraith easily. They took over a whole galaxy against a more highly advanced race whereas the borg not even a whole quadrant.
Different sized galaxies though pegasus is a dwarf galaxy to andromeda. Its about 1/4 the size of the mily way
@@Jason-jb3xt Not just this but the Borg are in combat with one species or another constantly, so they know how to wage war and have no problem wiping other races out, unlike the Lanteans.
Minbari Whitestar vs SSV Normandy 2.
That depends… has Garrus finished his calibrations?:)
I'd have to say the Borg are superior in this regard. The Borg would create a nano virus that would assimilate the Hive ships. The Wrath could throw more ships at the borg however they'd get assimilated too. On a different view if the Borg start assimilating the Pegasus Galaxy the Wrath would be starved out and eventually defeated or assimilated. Furthermore, the Borg have a slight advantage in hand to hand combat as the Wrath kill their victims and the Borg would assimilate and add to their numbers.
No they can't, you don't remember Species 8472 the Borg could not adapt their Bio-Tech or assimilate them into their collective. In theory they probably wouldn't be able to do the same to the Wraith.
@@420gunnyinc thats due 8472's advanced physiology. Their cells attack any foriegn object and even began the digestion process if they interacted with another species, ie harry kim. Wraith do not have this capability, well atleast not that i know of
@@Jason-jb3xt you need to watch Stargate Atlantis then or at least watch a RUclipsr explaining how the Wraith are like an work.
lol, The Wraith vs The Borg isn't even a contest! That's like pitting Doctor Who's Cybermen vs Stargate's Milkyway Replicators! "Oh, you sent a sandwich to fight me? Don't mind if I do!"(edit)
To clarify, I mean that the Borg with DEVOUR the Wraith.
The Borg wouldn't be able to keep making more drones because the Wraith would feed on all the species that the Borg would need to assimilate.
... not even close. Might be interesting seeing a borg / wraith hybrid.
If it's a matter of ships vs ships, the Wraith would be crushed. But if it's CQC battles, then I don't know. The assimilation process is explained, but not the Wraith feeding process. The Wraith are vampires, which are somewhat of a black box, getting close to fantasy and magic.
In season 2 episode 1, The Siege, Part 3, the Wraith ships did have shields. That was how they blocked the Asgard beaming technology when it was being used to send nuclear bombs over.
Remember??
I feel it'd come down to who has the greater telepathic prowess. To properly assimilate an individual, they must be pulled into the hive mind and dominated. This might be impossible to do to the Wraith.
While Stargate is my favorite franchise hands down, and while I do love the Wraith as enemies, the Borg would mop the floor with them.
You forgot that the Borg adapt to any weapons used against them, and the Wraith don't have any variety; they use a single type of plasma weapon exclusively. They wouldn't even be able to destroy a single cube before adaptation sets in. In hand-to-hand the Wraith seem about equal in strength and superior in speed, but that's offset by the fact that they use stunner weapons (stun doesn't even work on the Borg) and those would be adapted to quickly. Meanwhile the Borg have weapons of their own, ranging from industrial attachments to built-in energy weapons PLUS the nanoprobes.
I don't think the Borg would have issues assimilating Wraith physiology. They've assimilated much weirder aliens before (Voyager even states that the Borg have assimilated energy-based lifeforms) and in the end the Wraith feeding process is still mostly a mystery. We don't *know* for sure that they actually eat "life energy" only that their feeding process seems to make their prey age rapidly and "life force" is the best way early-21st century humans could describe it. Even if they do, the Borg regeneration alcoves would probably be fine as they don't provide nourishment anyway but power the cybernetics and nanoprobes that maintain bodies without the need for nourishment.
Wraith ships being organic would also be a massive weakness here, as a single nanoprobe infecting one ship would replicate and spread, assimilating the entire ship. Plus the Wraith appear to interface directly with their ships at time to the point that they've passed diseases to their ships and vice-versa. So now the ship has the possibility of directly assimilating the crew. Plus any humans kept in cocoons.
Yeah, I agree. But I got a more even challenge. Borg vs Human Form Replicators. They beat the Asgard (basically). I think they'd beat the Borg because their nanites are better than Borg nanites. But would the human form replicators beat Species 8472? Hmmmmm...
If the borg assimilated 1 wraith hive ship. The wraith part would absob not only living life forms. But would absolutely other borg ship drones to make themselves truly one to be perfect. A true collective. Everything is stored in one place. Also if a starfleet vessel ends up in the Stargate universe like voyager. When the crew of Atlantis was able to create that gas that turns wraith into humans. That gas would be modified to reverse borg technology. This would be the cross over we never knew we needed
Nanites are the issue vs the 🧛♀️ 🧛♂️ Wraith from the Pegasus galaxy. Now as you said if they bypass it and well I think they will push them back in 20 years after some heavy losses. But gaining shield technology and some other upgrades I think some ZPM's might be needed for shields 🛡 🤔 who knows now for them to get a battle set up that the fight can go both ways and see the outcomes. Then we could vote on it?? If anyone can get creative. It might take a year but it would be worth it in cgi.
I'm pretty sure that Borg nanite technology would find a way to restructure Wraith biology to make them compatible enough to sustain them like all the other Borg drones. Incidentally, if a Wraith did try to feed on Borg flesh, more than likely they may unintentionally become assimilated once they absorb enough nanites.
The Borg would defeat the Wraith eventually because they are unified as one massive Entity while the Wraith have splinter factions and fight amongst themselves in Civil Wars
Wraith are combat psychic especially the queens making it possible to infiltrate the collective confronting the borg queen directly.
I would give the win to the Borgs, they have shields and the ability to teleport their drones via transporters.
Wraiths have no shields, so they can't defend against that and they can appear on any ship whenever and wherever they like.
There is even a chance that the Borg could infect and assimilate the Wraith ships via their nanoprobes due to the ships being biotech.
It is impossible to say as too many variables. But if going at the height of each factions power it is obvious neither side would win. The Borg would move slowly and send a cube every now and then to scan and see what that universe has. They may find Ancient tech on a planet or the Wraith may adapt their tech with Ancient tech earlier to combat the new threat. A few ZPM powered Hive Ships patrolling with support from a couple of regular hives and cruisers would make short work of 1 cube if the Borg don't come across Ancient tech. Overall it's a stalemate because the Borg can't be food so the Wraith wouldn't take the fight to the Borg and the Borg are slow and once know the Wraith aren't good as drones and their tech is not compatible along with them not being a threat to the Borg being in another universe they would stop incursions.
Wraith have measure counter system that prevent beaming transporter to beam a crew or weapon on their hive ships
wraith also have hivemind....if borg try to connect with wraith hivemind theybwill noticed and aware it
Borg vs Wraith = Borg Victory.
The Borg do not have a robust science base from witch they invent new technology, their strength is in assimilation of technology and knowledge that they then adapt for use to enhance the collective in multiple spheres. Take for example the armor that voyager deployed against the Borg, where upon analysis and assimilation, the Borg immediately was able to adapt there weapons to be more effective, while now also having a new technology that they could analyze and later implement. Their strength is in being able to survive and encounter with a new threat and adapt that threat's strengths for the collective benefit thus turning what were once weaknesses into new strengths.
Feeders would not be an issue, drone are from countless species and are more or less converted from said species into something that is more in line with the drones. They would adapt the biology of the wraith to service them and if they could not do so immediately, then they would know that there is something worth learning to be invested in, example, Species 8472.
Hahaha, NO! ST ships are slow AF. For the purposes of this calculation, I'll assume that power requirements scale linearly with speed (this favors the slower faction) and we will use relative speed to estimate overall power output. Basically faster FTL = more power = stronger weapons and shields. Available power is usually the bottleneck for energy weapons and shield strength.
Voyager was repeatedly stated to take 70 years to travel 70,000 LY at a sustainable cruising speed, as a plot point. That's 1000 LY per year or 0.114 LY per hour. Now compare that to the BC-304 cruising speed of 5,952.38 LY per hour (3 million LY in 21 days from Earth to Atlantis). With a ZPM, that same trip takes 3 days, which means 41,666.67 LY per hour. Therefore 1 ZPM adds an additional 35,714.29 LY per hour worth of power. Each Aurora-class Lantean battleship is powered by a ZPM, and Wraith Hives can gang up to take one of those down. Let's assume it takes 12 Hives (highballing the estimate to favor the other faction). So 12 Hives = 1 ZPM = 6 BC-304 Reactors. So 1 Hive can probably output enough power to do 2,976.19 LY per hour if they had an intergalactic Hyperdrive (they don't, but what they do have is still faster than most ship-mounted FTL systems in ST). That's a 26,106.93 speed advantage.
The Borg Cube looks like it's 2-3 times the tonnage of a Hive. Obviously more mass = more power to go same speed. So that's a 3x bonus for the Borg powerplant.
If my math and logic are sound, a Hive Ship should have a minimum ~8,702.31 times powerplant advantage (26,106.93/3) over a Borg Cube. The Wraith can just brute force their way through the Borg shields. Adaptation be damned. If brute force isn't working, you're not using enough. Just throw enough raw energy at the shields to burn out the Emitters.
And the Wraith have another power advantage. Their ships have no shields, just thick armor. No shields = no power drain = more energy for the weapons. Species 8472 proved that shields are not required to beat the Borg.
The Borg can't beam over because the Wraith use ECM to jam teleporters as standard practice since Atlantis S2E1. If the Borg can't beam aboard, they are not assimilating the ship or any Wraith.
If the BORG had trouble with species 8472 it stands to reason they would have trouble with the WRAITH 🤨
8472 were from a completely different dimension though. If the Atlantis Expedition could figure out how alter Wraith physiology I see no reason why nanoprobes couldn't take over wraith cells. A assimilated Hive Ship would be insane.
@@JaredLS10 yes but the atlantean never tried to assimilate the wrath, they do have an incredible healing Factor nanites I'm thinking would have trouble with
The Wraith only beat the Ancients with numbers, not firepower.
@@Anarchist86ed Indeed! The Wraith will be assimilated.
It is the same like: You have 100000 men at arms with softairguns. And the other side has 5 ATAT or 20 M1A6 Tanks
The borg don’t do well against organic technology, they may not even be able to assimilate the tech and that would give the wraith a huge advantage in hand to hand combat where the borg are also weak . Imaging a wraith just grabbing a drone and draining its organic components
the Borg would annihilate the wraith through their technological superiority
The Wraith are strong, but they are NOT species 8472/Undine.
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The Wraith have no counter to the Borg Nanobots. The Borg have sophisticated teleportations technology that can easily determine the shield frequency and bypass them altogether.
The Wraith wouldn't last 20 minutes against any Borg ship.
you used the map from Star Trek Online to show the Borg territory...
In this scenario, i see the borg as a clear winner as you discribed.
But let us include a storywriting perspective. What if the wraiths could make a good use out of the nanites and the alcoven technology.
Modifing it into something that suit their needs. So that they can feed on nonlife energy.
And that would change the odds extrem.
Resistance is futile..
Wraiths ,the aincents or the Ori would never match up to the borg
Only one Borg Queen is needed assimilate them , Borg will have no problem
hmm now say the Wraith capture a Borg Cube and harvest their tech and their power sources.
What about the other way around? The Wraith invade territories where the Borg were planning on invading.
Wraith have no chance.
1., they probably can't feed on Borg, but Borg can assimilate Wraith
2., Borg assimilate their "food", Wraith die out on starvation.
OMG. The Borg spend the majority of their time hibernating. The Wraith would not have an issue with being starved after being assimilated. Their biology would easily be added to the Collective and their Hunger would not be an issue, since the borg nanites would power their biology from then on.
Remember, the Borg nanites remove and 'perfect' each new host they assimilate, from brain tissue that is unnecessary or inconvenient to organs and limbs. If they have to remove everything but the brain and bones to complete the assimilation process, it's not an issue. Everything else can be replaced.
also in star trek picard its shown that the borg do have biological tech and alter they're drones on a genetic level its just that they're obsession with perfection makes it so they tend to focus more on much more powerful cybernetics
My opinion is that the Borg would win just think they'd be too strong for the wrath
The Wraith were able to defeat the Hiper Advanced Ancients in an entire Galaxy the Borg are unable to even occupy the majority of their own Galaxy, So Yeah pretty sure the Wraith would just consume the Borg. It's a Simple numbers game I.E. neither one Lion or five Lions nor eight prides of Lions can kill and eat a entire herd of Wildebeest!!
I think you are mistaken, it is not that the Borg cannot dominate their galaxy it is that they choose not to because their pursuit is not in territory, it is in biological and technological distinctiveness. They could dominate all of the biology in their galaxy relatively easily, but that’s not the only thing out there for them, they seek the technology which they allow to progress over time before they assimilate it.
Let’s be realistic here for a second, the Lantians could have put an energy weapon on one of their ships backed by a trio of ZPMs, and that single vessel would have been invincible. The Lantians only lost because the writers insisted that they be dependent upon missile technology that they ran out of.
The Borg would wash over the Wraith like the tide.
@@Matt-yg8ub Which leads us right back to my final statement that it's a numbers game that Borg will always, always lose, Plus you are ignoring the Wraith use of computer viruses against technology.
@@worldtraveler930 You mean the Wraith use of ancient technology against the ancients? The Borg are the culmination of the biological and technological advancement of thousands of species across the galaxy….no f’ing way They haven’t encountered and defeated computer viruses before. The Wraith Themselves might be biologically extremely tough, But their ships will succumb to assimilation just as easily as anything else. Even the vaunted bioships of Species 8472 Shriveled and died under the assault of Borg nano probes. Hives would be no different.
The Borg would do like they always do, take samples, kidnap a few wraith drones and learn about them, Assimilate the drones and then kidnap a commander and gain all its knowledge. Once they discovered that the source of race numbers was a cloning facility powered by zero point energy crystals, that would become an irresistible target that the collective would expend thousands of cubes if necessary to capture and control. The wraith would fall before the collective like thousands of species before them.
@@Matt-yg8ub You're backup against the tyranny of numbers they're just simply are not enough Borg to counter the vast numbers of the Wraith therefore the Bigger population wins its Simple math.
@@worldtraveler930 Are you nuts? The Borg number in the trillions….They inhabit thousands of worlds. The wraith have to remain in hibernation for most of their existence because there simply are not enough humans in the galaxy to feed them….A glaring weaknesses the Borg will exploit…Just like the Assurans did. Even if all of the Wraith were awake at the same time, they still would not be able to overcome the Borg through force of arms. The longer this conflict goes on, the more planets the Borg assimilate and the weaker the Wraith become.
The Lantians lost this war, because the writers dictated that they had to…not because it made any sense.
You are trying to draw a parallel between an extremely limited number of Atlanteans being overwhelmed trying to defend an entire galaxy against the Wraith…..With the Borg who outnumber the Wraith and have nothing to defend. THERE IS NO SUCH PARALLEL here.
Borg Vs Replicators would be a better match
Wraith ships are organic in nature, think they would win
Borg wins,,, video !!!!!!!!!!!
What about the Wraith psychic abilities?
wraith win the same reason as 8472
I'm curious how the Borg would do against another equally technological-based species, i.e. the Dr Who "Cyber-men" or the Stargate universe's "Replicators" species; it's been done in some IDW comics, when they depicted the Cybermen winning, but I disagree with that assessment between the two species in a contested engagement. Likewise, as a purely organic species, how The Wraith might do against the Shadows species in B5 universe, or the Undine/8472 in the Star Trek universe, just to make things very even in technology & strengths. The Wraith's telepathy & unique strengths going up against another race's purely organic technology & own strengths.
Borg wins vs cyber-men
And the species 8472 is far more powerfull that borg so another win vs wrath
@@jorgemayer9833 The Borg assimilating the Cybermen and their starships would be interesting, agreed for sure due to the Borg being far more sophisticated technologically. The Wraith vs the 8472/Undine,.. the Wraith have bigger & better starships, and then if the Wraith Hive starships are being equipped with a ZPM, it might be able to take the 8472's particle beam/"lightning" firepower, to take out some of the 8472 ships firing at it, even if there are the 5-6 firing together. It would be a VERY interesting matchup. A pack of 8472 fighter ships or a few Wraith Hive starships against the Shadows ships would be equally so, in the B5 universe.
What about the Orai?
borg vs Repducators
The Borg suffered against 8472 so there's a chance they'd find it equally difficult against the wraith, both having biological ships I'd assume their level of biological development would be similarly resilient, that said 8472 attacked creatures from the milky way on a biological level so it may have just been an incompatibility thing and the Wraith are just suped up humans. For me it all comes down to whether or not the Borg can assimilate the Wraith, if they can we're getting bio cubes and the wraith will basically assimilate themselves every time they try to feed on the Borg. If they can't then as soon as the first hive awakens the Borg are gonna get chopped by some very strong and dexterous cq infantry.
there is no comparison the species 8472 has a biology so complex that all the matter they touch is destroyed just by touching it so if you are touched by one of its species you will contract an infection that will ultimately destroy you, likewise the technology of the species 8472 is very superior to that of the wrath, species 8472 can destroy entire planets with just two small ships, as well as open holes to other realities, and even so with only a little time the borg managed to adapt their nanoprobes to assimilate the 8472 and their ships
@@jorgemayer9833 what you wrote is a whole load of crap. How can they even survive in our realm, or walk on surfaces, if they destroy all regular matter just by touching it? And the wraith were able to reprogram the replicators base code. And the replicators make the Borg look like kiddy toys. The wraith would make quick work of the Borg. Even quicker than species 8472. A proper filler species.
Maybe the Wraith could use Nanites to infect the Borg, it would be like an aggressive virus that the Borg would have to combat before anything else.
The Borg have used nano machines like the ancients, but the wraith will quickly try to find disrupters that counter the nano machines as a defense because that is the only method to stop invaders in their cells. The Borg would start realizing they had faced nano machines because they did managed to capture some of those nano machines and turned it against them in the form of replicators(ancient creation) just to gather the metals and machines together to cause more damage that need’s quickly quarantined.
I would say the Borg would easily win this fight, if they are able to consiently bring in reinforcements they would not only have a significant technological advantage but the number advantage as well.
Even if they couldn't the Borg do use limited cloning and would able to pray upon any of the humanoid species of the pegaxus galaxy and convert them into drones, though as most humanoids with in pegaxus haven't developed space travel or advantage technology the Borg would not see much improvement in those area in less they stumbled up ancients or human repulcator or dark asguard tech.
Also if the wraths were awoken early from their hibernation the human or neer human population may not be thick on the ground for eather Sade to expoit
The warths primary wepion being engry based would be a major issue due the Borg adaptive shielding
I think the wrath may have some minor victory's here and there, they are very cunning and adaptive foes. I could see the warth useing viruses both biological and technology to hurt the Borg or create monstrositys like Michael did in his hybrid project to use as cannon fodder adgust the Borg
But the wrath would ultimately eather be driven to extention or go into hiding
I don't think the Borg would value wraths as drones dure to their strange energy requirements and possibly not be able to use their technology easily was there is both a biological and phonic element to it that only the wrath or those with wrath DNA can use.
The warths primary
BSG deadlock colonial fleet or Cylon vs Halo UNSC
Think the wraith could rotate frequency of their weapons?
No and even if they could figure that out it would be too late.
Or Gould?
Easily the borg, though I do admit that the wraith could cause problems until the borg decide to treat even single individuals as a threat. The wraith have a large population , but the borg simply converts others,, imagine a borg/wraith hybrid,, that's cool.. back on point though.. a few borg inside a wraith ship with their updating shield tech and nanobots would take over a wraith ship more than likely before anyone could figure out what's going on,, at least in a way to find a weakness. Not sure about the size of their ships compared but borgs ability to adapt and represent would allow them to prevail and win
Hive ships are approx 4-5 km long (though some sources say 11km but the evidence scaled against SGC vessels can put them as small as 3km long) Borg cubes are 3km per side, so they probably mass quite similarly.
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Wraith weapons are powerful, however the Borg would adapt quickly,
Since the Wraith Hive ships have no shields to speak of, the Borg would slice them and dice them without breaking a sweat.
Borg will teleport thousand of drones on hive ship,they realy not need to shot.
If the hive ship got a hold of just one zpm they wouldn't. When the hive got the zpm and not even fully modified for the ship, the hive wasn't going to be destroyed from the outside. The hull was just too dense at that point. With a zpm, the wraith doesn't need shielding and the power boost to the weapons would more than likely be too powerful for the Borg to readily adapt to.
@@nannunbgd the wraith would just jam them so no the Borg isn't just beaming into a hive ship just like the sgc just couldn't. The wraith adapted to that quickly and odds are if they can jam Asgard based beaming technology, they would have no problem jamming the Borg as Asgard technology is far superior to that of the Borg.
You neglect to consider the wraith telepathy and how that may interfere with the born, if one wraith is assimilated, possibly through infection while feeding, it may lead to them using the borg as a new level of evolution for the wraith species. If one was assimilated and the queen picked it up, it would be easy to get the whole hive assimilated and use the telepathy to overwhelm and eventually control the borg queen, and thus the borg.
You forget that the Borg have already assimilated many telepathic species. the Wraith Telepathy is no different and potentially weaker than some other species.
@@Thurgosh_OG potentially weaker, sure I'll give you that. Exactly the same though I doubt. To be fair I'm less of a trek fan than a Stargate fan, but I don't believe any of the trek telepathic races fed off life energy. I think the wraith very well might have a leg up on this one, but I'm not invested enough to actually research and form an extremely strong opinion. Just figured it would be something worth considering since they are entirely different universes.