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🎵Cause I'm dreaming Of you tonight Till tomorrow I'll be holding you tight🎵 Yeah, we know Selena. Jlo played her in her bio pic. So young, so talented.
I have watched this film over 2 dozen times since the late 90s. And I still rethink my understanding of the film. Who was going thru what. Which person was doing what? The more you rewatch it the more you question it all.
Satoshi Kon is, by all means, a master of surrealism, vision and creative spectacle. He is one of the best anime filmmakers in modern cinema. I highly recommend you guys watching his other works.
He is also a master in psychological movie Even his more tamedable movie , Millenium Actress is still questioning us what is real and what is a part of her movie
Everything he's touched has been amazing. Yes! More Satoshi Kon movies are highly recommended. Paprika was/is the one I generally use to introduce people to his works. If Paprika hasn't been watched yet, you're totally missing out.
@@ProjektBurn Paprika is a fever dream movie . Like it was weird yet fascinating movie. (I also reccomend do not watch Paprika while you feel high because welp)
@@m.syauqiabdurahman2798 1st time I saw it was after eating a few edibles and um.... I completely agree with the notion of if u want to understand what's going on, go in sober. But on the other hand, if you want a psychedelic ride that will leave you in awe and fascination, go in inebriated and strap in cuz it's one helluva fun ride!
There's a line or two in the movie that gives away why Rumi might've been that way. The male manager guy tells her in one of the scenes that times have changed since Rumi was a pop idol, and Mima's role in Double Bind is the turning point that decides whether or not she will last in the spotlight as an actress. Rumi then says something along the lines of "well excuse me for not lasting", hinting that Rumi was once a singer who either never made it or did for a very short amount of time and her career never went the way she wanted it to. So I think Rumi was living vicariously through Mima while she was a singer and saw herself in her, almost as if she got to become a pop idol again, but it starts to spiral out of control when she becomes an actress. It makes the scene where she cries during the filming of the rape scene interesting... you think it's because she cares for Mima as a person and she's ruining her career, but the other way to interpret that is that's it's the defining moment that her second shot at pop stardom dies and might even be seeing herself in the scene.
Yeah persobally my theory of Rumi see the rape scene Rumi see the man near Mima when they acted out the rape scene as the man who tarnished Mima's pop idol because like you say Rumi see herself in Mima and became obsessed to her meaning Rumi is actually a stalker (alias manager) but Mima didn't knew it until the reveal .
Most likely because she knows that from that moment on, Mima could never, ever become a pop idol again, thus destroying Rumi's chance to live the pop idol life through mima. The reason for that as I said in the comment I left above in the comment section, is because pop idol the way it is in Japan, is a specific Japanese concept that has no equivalent in the west. Normal average girls who have an aptitude at singing and dancing and look nice are scouted by talent agents and groomed to become those perfect creatures that give the image almost of holy and unobtainable angels that teenagers can dream and fantasize on so they succeed and sell records. Today the J-pop industry is a bit more relaxe and not as popular as it was in the 80's, but even today, these girls are supposed to represent the image of perfection and there are cases of J-pop singers who were found out to have a boyfriend and were berated by angry fans as it destroyed the image of the girl the fans want to be with. It's kind of crazy and explains why this industry puts a lot of unfair pressure on these girls, something that the movie obviously tries to criticize. So to become an actress is kind of tarnishing the image, something unacceptable for a J-pop singer, but add a rape scene? After such a scene, there is no way the fans could have ever accepted her back as a j pop singer now that she was 'spoiled'. Which is why Rumi was 'crushed' by the decision and decided to go along with her plan to drive mima insane and ultimately kill her through Me-Mania so she could preserve the 'innocent' image of Mima that now, in her delusion' she intended to accaparâtes for herself. Also for the fact that Rumi was at one time a pop idol. The movie shows that she is a chubby woman and it's possible that she didn't last long as a J pop singer because she did not represent the image of physical perfection expected from J pop idols whom the managers expected would be the envy of fans ready to spend their money to see them in concert. So it's not far fetched to think that the chubby Rumi decided to become a manager to live the life of a J-pop idol through her clients and developed an obsession for Mima specifically.
Rumi always appears to be a mother figure to Mima, which is why she cries like that during the rape scene. She can’t bear seeing that be done to her surrogate daughter. Or was I the only one saw their relationship that way? Hey, another “Black Swan” link! The failed mother and the famous daughter!
Satoshi Kon was WAY ahead of the curve in terms of Modern Psychological horror with this film. This film practically predicts internet culture today in terms of identity online. So sad we lost him all those years ago, his films will always be legendary.
It isn't a requirement to understand Japan's idol culture prior to watching this film, but it certainly helps make sense of some of what happens. The concept of graduation and fans being upset about a member leaving the group is portrayed realistically in this film. Idols are seen as pure and innocent and "available" to the fans. Leaving the group usually means leaving that behind. And not all fans take that very well. Idol culture is, in many ways, unhealthy for both the idols and the fans.
Yeah, not just Jpop idol culture but celebrity culture in general. What celebrity gave us in front of the camera is just an illusion, we can't tell for sure if they being real or not.
Well? This is universal crime stuff. This is has been a thing in the united states also. Do I need to go into what happened with John Lennon of The Beatles fame?
One thing a lot of people don’t remember is she cut herself on the teacup and bled quite a bit when Rumi was there. Her bloody blouse in her closet could have been from that incident the whole time. This movie is very good at making things go by so quick you forget the context they add to future scenes which helps make you feel as unsure of reality as Mima. A master class in how good editing can elevate a film beyond the individual scenes to something greater than the sun of its parts.
It's also worth mentioning that Darren Aronofsky's Black Swan had so much similarities to Perfect Blue, particularly Mima Kirigoe and Nina Sayers 'losing their grip on reality' and theme of 'the blurring of lines between fantasy and reality.'
The movie set it up early on that Rumi used to be a pop idol herself back in the day, so she was definitely living her fantasy through Mima which explains why she was the one most against Mima changing her career. The rape scene was the inciting incident that sets you up for the rest of the story. That was where Rumi started taking things in her own hands, Mima was psychologically affected, and the stalker started taking action to protect Mima's "identity" due to Rumi's manipulations. That's what the movie is about: the concept of identity and the acceptance of self with Mima. It also details just how easy it is for an outside perspective to distort one's identity. What's scary is this film is just as relevant today as it was back then. Especially with the modern world and creating online personas through social media (RUclips, Twitch, Twitter etc.) We the audience can just as easily perceive you as something else when in reality how you are with your personal lives behind closed doors may be something completely different or less exaggerated than how you present yourself online. Its this whole concept of identity that's so fascinating.
To make the finale more mysterious a fun fact: rumi’s voice actress is who says “no I’m real” even tho it’s mima who says it soooooo it’s up to your interpretation on what happened. Edit: also to further make the ending ambiguous the two nurses outside the hospital thought they saw mima but then said no that couldn’t be her. Implying either she is famous and don’t expect her to be visiting a mental hospital or it’s rumi tryna look like mima this plus rumi’s voice in the end is enough to leave the ending ambiguous.
Yes is ambiguous, but after the truck accident mima is the one who is awake, like "the nightmare is finally over". Yes the last shot try to be confusing but before we saw the end of the mental conflict and the born of the new mima, the actress.
It's also weird because we never see Mima drive throughout the movie, she's always driven by others (including Rumi) but she's in the driver's seat in the end scene
@@kitana5583 you bring up a good point but that could also symbolize Mima now having a clear control of her life. No one to "stir" her their direction.
her being rumi at the end is impossible cause u cant fix ur eye position through any cranial surgery. Its definitely has to be Mima still. i mean with her acting skills now it wont be a surprise
Perfect Blue, one of the masterpiece of the first artist I've ever cried. I still feel empty from the day I read Mr Kon's death letter online. The man was a genuine genius.
I love when any piece of media messes with my head, this movie was able to show me Mima's degrading psyche perfectly imo. At the beggining when people started dying and we saw the creepy guy watching her I thought I knew where the story was going, it was your classic Psycho bussiness but no, when Mima started having visions I started doubting what I was seeing too since she is the POV character, by the middle of the movie there had been so many dreams and hallucinations thrown at me I felt like I couldn't trust Mima anymore and started considering that she had some real mental problems that made her an unreliable narrator, I was as confused and scared as her cause I didn't know what was real or not anymore.
Great reaction. I forgot just how much of a mindfuck this movie was, especially during the waking up sequences. And the more you read about and dig beneath the layers ,with the symbolism, the transitions and the color theory, the more of a masterpiece it becomes. Satoshi Kon was an absolute genius. I'd argue even better than Miyazaki. All four of his movies and one anime are amazing. We can only imagine what kind of movies we could have gotten if he was still with us. RIP legend.
The hand drawn art style between the late 80's and through the 90s definitely had it's own flare. There are so many small animation techniques that really give a show or movie an identity of it's own that just fell out once they started making all anime with computers. I still think stuff like One Punch Man, Demon Slayer, Attack on Titan all still look fantastic. But there's less charm
I think you miss it, but i am sure that in some moment of the movie is mentioned that Rumi was an Idol or at least she tried to be when she was younger but couldn´t continue or her time just pass. I dont exactly know, i cant remember but i think is a very strong point to understand Rumi psyche. Also, i didnt expect you two reacting to this movie. What great susprise, and great reaction like always. Sorry for my bad english.
Memania was in love with Mima, and Rumi used his feelings to manipulate him. She started emailing him, and told him that Mima was an imposter. “As long as that imposter’s around, we can never be together!” And of course, what will a man not do for love? Especially if it’s (perceived) true love.
I like how the movie doesn't cheat you. There were clues throughout the film. The fact that Me-Mania said that hegets e-mails from Mima is the only thing that makes sense because he put in the 'diary' things he could not have heard without being given inside info, like private conversations between Mima and Rumi. For example when in the diary there is a quote of her saying how Eri (the actress on Double Bind) is another person when the camera isn't rolling, only Rumi heard that. So yes, there were clues. This film is so well constructed, it's insane. A true masterpiece.
Fantastic movie and story-wise, one of the greatest anime ever. What is immediately noticeable in Kon's work is his mastery of the editing. He is the Edgar Wright of anime. His transitions are so smooth and well done that you truly can't tell when you pass from Mima's reality to her delusions and that helps make the movie like a fever dream. There is plenty of symbolism and cues given by means of visuals. Just an example. In the first scene where we are introduced to the stalker, Me-Mania, he is a security guard (he obviously took the job to be closer to Mima), and he looks at her trough his open palm while the space around her is kind of blurred. We immediately are reminded of a statue or the little ballerinas in music boxes. Point is that he puts her on a pedestal and the blurring shows that he is oblivious of anything else but her. Then when a can is thrown at her, the blurring disappear and he then goes to confront the troublemakers who 'dissipated' his moment. Just in one frame, without any dialogue, Kon perfectly conveyed the state of mind of Me-Mania and how he sees Mima. Now, that's storytelling. The song the group sings for most of the movie Ai No Tenshi (an angel watches over) is so great, I've learned the lyrics and it is my ringtone. Kon's goal was to show the place of women in the entertainment industry and to what pressures they are put in. The film OBVIOUSLY influenced Daren Aronofsky, you can see it in Requiem for A Dream where the bathtub scene where she plunges underwater to scream: "Bastards" is reproduced frame by frame, and, of course, in Black Swan. Mima accepts things she doesn't really wants, like the nude pictures or the rape scene, because she can't say no, and that helps destroy and fracture her psyche. You can do a phd just on the meanings of this movie. Pls watch the other Kon films: Tokyo Godfathers (one of the greatest Christmas movies ever), Millenium Actress and Paprika (a clear inspiration to Inception, it's basically the same story minus the heist). His one season anime tv show, Paranoia Agent is also suitably mind fucked. P.S.: One thing you may have missed, near the beginning of the film, Tadokoro and Rumi talked together and Tadokoro said to Rumi: "You're not a pop idol anymore." So Rumi was a pop idol in her youth but isn't anymore. Now to know a bit about the phenomenon of pop idols in Japan, they're supposed to be those perfect, innocent looking girls. A pop idol in Japan lost her job and was berated by fans when they found she had a boyfriend because girls in that industry are supposed to be this perfect image that fans can fantasize being with as the managers think will increase their popularity and thus: revenue. You can see how Rumi is depicted in the film, as a chubby woman so it isn't far fetched that in an industry where the looks are so important, Rumi was shown the door out and she became an idol manager, living her dream through Mima and when Mima went into acting, especially after 'soiling' herself by playing the role of a stripper getting raped, destroying any chance to ever be an idol again (idol fans could never accept her back after that), Rumi fragile psyche cracked and she implemented her plan to have her killed and then replaced as Rumi started living the delusion she could be Mima instead of her and she was feeding Me-Mania's own obsession so he could do the job for her.
tthe confusion worked beautifully because it was there intentionally to mirror Mima's own psychological spiral. as the movie goes on, she gets more unhinged and stressed, and the cuts to different times and scenes get even more crazy. and it all builds up to this crazy ass reveal!
Though Rumi is a creepy killer, somehow I feel so sad for her. That's what masterpiece does: to bring out the complexity of human nature and remind there is no perfect white or black, maybe only "perfect blue".
OH YES!!!!!!! Been waiting for this. Perfect Blue, Steins;Gate, and Bebop?! This might be my favorite arc of the channel besides Rick and Morty Edit: just finished it and I absolutely loved this video. This movie makes you understand everything only for it to leave absolutely discombobulated which is what Mimi was going through this entire movie. There’s so many angles, wrestles with mania, and perspectives it’s mind bending. Truly bending reality and fantasy. Just an insane movie and masterpiece. Glad you guys experienced it and loved it!
"Millenial Actress" and "Tokyo Godfather" from Satoshi Kon are great as well. While neither are as mind-bending as this one, they both are well-crafted film. For another mind-bending Satoshi Kon's film, go see "Paprika". I'd also recommend "Magnetic Rose", which is 1 out of 3 movie segments within an anthology called "Memories", which was created/produced by Katsuhiro Otomo (the director of "Akira"). That one is worth watching as well.
OMG! You guys just reacted the movies and animes which are my favorite. From Steins:Gate, AOT, and now you reacted Perfect Blue. Wow, you guys know how to find the greatness, don't you? Kon Satoshi's movies are amazing, added lots of chaos and dream concepts, sometimes it is hard to understand, but it is worthy to think about the meaning behind it and it's fun to brainstorming. P.S. Tokyo Godfather is the best in my opinion, also Paprika is worthy to watch too! Subscribed!
Ugh thank you patreons for suggesting this. When I saw the notification for this I jumped out my bed ready to watch. You guys said so many smart theories and viewpoints, which I loved because it made me engage even more. There is so many interpretations out there but I guess its just left up to us to kinda decide what really happened. Otherwise, I very much enjoyed this. Cant wait to see much more anime movies in the future!
Curious facts, the scene where Mima's in the bathtub and scream under water was identically used in the movie "Requiem for a dream". Also, this concept was used in the movie "Black Swan", I didn't know if they were actually inspired by Perfect Blue tho
“This concept” what does that mean? Perfect Blue is not about dance. Perfect Blue didn’t invent psychological thrillers. Black Swan is not about a stalker. Black Swan is not a murder mystery. Everyone who compares the two is just lying through their teeth, like am I the only one who isn’t deranged??
The first anime that made me realise that animation was not just for kids. I might of seen Akira before that but I'm sure I didn't really understand it the first time so I didn't watch it again until years later.
I think there's some context needed on Japanese idol culture to help add to the film's interpretation. I'm no expert, but from what I understand, female pop idols in Japan have tightly controlled public images the revolve around cuteness and innocence. Idols can be banned by their agencies or managers from having public romantic relationships because it disappoints fans and damages their "untouchable" images. Idols can also get in trouble for being seen smoking or drinking. It's not just that Mima is a pop idol transitioning in becoming an actress. Mima is a pop idol transitioning into acting in a violent, sexual drama series. Where she stars in a rape scene in a sleazy club. While partially nude. And then a photographer takes a bunch of sexy pin up of photos of her and publishes them. I think knowing this adds some important context to understanding the characters: It's why Mima has a crazed fan obsessed with protecting the "real Mima's" purity, why Rumi is so upset at the writer's adding a rape scene for Mima, and Mima's own conflicting feelings about her career shift and self perception. It's the madonna/whore complex cranked up to eleven and made worse by the fact Mima has to deal with the blow back from other people and herself.
As others have said, Satoshi Kon is a great director definitely. He was a great film maker that really used the medium of animation to mess with perception. No pressure to you guys, and I'd spread them out, but it be awesome if you check his other films Millennium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers (a legit actually great Christmas movie that's not straight up about Christmas), Paprika, and his 1 season show the twisted Paranoia Agent.
You need to watch Paprika next, Actually all of this guy Satoshi kon movies are must watch. They are really good. Paprika is not as dark of a movie but definitely still a great psychological thriller.
Awesome to see you two react to this! One of my fav animated films since so many do horror quite poorly. Damn shame Satoshi Kon passed away cause he was incredibly talented
I can field that question about how famous Cham were! See, in Japan, the idol industry has always been about cultivating parasociality, even before the internet. They push new talent really hard to maintain a palatable image and connect emotionally with their fanbase. Hence, even people who barely chart will often have a small core of total diehards.
Black swan the movie actually took alot of inspiration from this movie, also if you guys like inception, do watch paprika. inception is based on that movie too
@@Camuska If you (or anyone else reading thsi) don't know, a RUclips channel called "Every Frame a Painting" made a short video essay on Satoshi Kon. It's amazing and very well done. The man was a visionary. RIP
I know I'm late on this video, but my interpretation, was that the stalker had a shared perception of who mima should be because of rumi creating the website and attacked the real mima, so she killed him out of life or death circumstances. But all of the dead managers are Rumi's doing and of the course the last attack on mima.
After y’all started guessing I was like, “y’all are from Texas, I believe. Put two-and-two together,” and then when I heard ya say “Yolanda,” I was like 🎉 “Yes! Y’all are about halfway there 😂” That was a great reaction, and I’m glad y’all liked it. Have y’all seen Black Swan (2010?)
In Japan, "Black Swan" is said to be a plagiarism of "Perfect Blue". And director Darren Aronofsky is also famous for imitating the work of the director of "Perfect Blue" many times.
it feels very different and aesthetically pleasing because it was mroe artful. at least GITS and Perfect Blue. the more popular ones are on production deadlines using techniques that take away from the meticulous nature of 90's animation. and also those two you've watched are also just more mature than the trope heavy shonens that are popular with react channels.
This movie reminds me of Paranoia Agent and Paprika so much. There are so many similarities from the dreaming to the mindfuck stuff. Paranoia Agent and Paprika has the same creator as Perfect Blue.
Rumi wanted to be her. There is a line that is very brief and passes by without notice where Rumi states she was once a Pop Idol singer too. I think Rumi was living vicariously through Mima. Basically Rumi was gas lighting her the entire time after she left the singing group.
my belief is that early in the movie the animation "looks like" a normal 1990s low budget animation but that's just to disarm you into thinking "it's just another anime" but later on the quality gets better but at the same time the story is so gripping it becomes "real" and you don't realize you've been ensnared "by the film" and now you're in the movie and now you're feeling what Mimarin is feeling. And then slowly reality goes haywire and the events in the film causes you to have a psychotic break and you don't know what is real and what is not real anymore. What an achievement for a film to induce such an effect on the viewer, genius!, everyone stands up applauding but you realize you're still watching the movie... or are you? Did you finish watching or are you still trapped in the movie thinking you just watched a reaction but maybe that's just what they want you to believe? You are watching yourself reading the comments but you can still hear the movie playing, wait is this real?
Remember picking this up when i was relatively new to anime, i was probably like 12 or 13 and was the first anime i bought and was hit with how unexpectedly fast this whole movie went south .still a great watch and would recommend
This film is pre-dated by a number of Italian 'giallo' films (which in themselves are based upon a number of comics on yellow paper). Examples are 'Deep Red' (Profondo Rosso), 'The Bird With Crystal Plumage', and others.
Oh my god stop being so elitist about “ownership” of ideas. I shouldn’t have to explain why that’s idiotic to a grown up. But I get it, the ideas are easier to digest if “Japan made good media and Hollywood steal bad 😢” is how you see it, plus it’s easy to feel superior to other Americans. How pathetic
@@robertyeah2259jeez, at first I just thought you were an idiot, but now after seeing all your comments on this video, you seem to seriously need help. You are way too obsessed over being right about a topic you know literally nothing about. And now this comment especially showed you have even deeper issues that go way beyond this movie. You need psychological help.
34:55 This part was just a classic and I loved watching you go through it for the first time. This psychological horror just tortures the viewer by drawing them in to the story of someone's world falling apart while playing the role of an actor who's world is falling apart. You are just looking to understand the confusing mess and this scene finally gives you what you have been looking for.. then takes it away as yet another scene in a tv show. I'm glad the movie ends well as it really needed everything to fall into place and it does perfectly.
People are debating on what the ending meant because when Mima said the last line "No I'm Real" it was said by Rumi's voice actor. Personally I think it is Mima I just want my happy ending. Also if you guys would like, you guys should watch other Satoshi Kon's film "Paprika"
The earliest web browsers, like NCSA Mosaic (which would eventually become Netscape Navigator), were a thing by '93/'94. 1997 was the age of geocities and similar quality websites, as depicted in the movie.
If you didn't catch it (I didn't the first time I watched this) Rumi was either a former or failed pop idol and ended up working as a manager instead because she didn't make it in the biz. That also adds to her character personality...she was living her dream through Mima.
I hope you will react to Millenium actress made by Satoshi Kon too. And of course Paprika who inspired Inception! Also, Perfect Blue inspired Black Swan.
Your reaction video was absolutely incredible. This movie is confusing yet you managed to work out everything, especially the fact Rubi was emailing the stalker. Excellent and brilliantly entertaining.
The message of the film is terrifying and depressing about the actresses, I did not expect you to see this great film, And I wish you watch the dramatic and terrifying drama Anime monster.
wow, this is an epic reaction to an epic movie! 😃 Kacee's talking more which makes it doubly awesome. "Idol" is what the guard guy is holding in the palm of his hand... He became "Me-maniac" personality in Mimas Room and Rumi manipulated him to protect the idol. Rumi became the real Mimarin in Mima's Room and claimed the actress was the impostor... What a mind "job" !! I remember the recurring walk sign and going to the store over and over until you don't know what is real anymore... whoah.
Oooo, nice pick guys! I actually forgot all about this one. I caught this waaay back, closer to when it came out in the US. Really good one. Along with the films you mentioned and this one, "Paprika" would be a great addition. It's like the Matrix on acid. 😁 Edit: Oh yea, and "Ghost in the Shell: Innocence" is really good too. I was pleasantly surprised with it. Usually sequels aren't as good, but it came pretty close for me.
Amazing reaction, guys! I’m glad this movie fucked with you as much as it did me when I first saw it! If you want to watch more of the director’s work I highly recommend “Paranoia Agent” his only anime series. It’s average length and filled with the same psychological horror goodness, so pick it up on or off the channel if you’re interested!
More recomendations from Satoshi Kon's work Paprika a fantasy movie with traces of science fiction ( that by the way, sorta inspired Inception) Millennium Actress a romance with meta Comment on movies especially old japonese movies Tokyo Godfathers a drama comedy that is also a christmas movie And ending with Paranoia Agent, that one is a series with elements of thriller and suspense but is really good, only have 12 eps i guess, talks about the many ways that the human psyche works. And in a personal note, you guys could watch Gakkou Gurashi, it's not a Satoshi Kon's work, it's more a modern anime but is one mine favorites, but it's better watch not knowing what is about not even read the synopsis because is one of that animes.
This one is, legitimately, a mind-fuck. It is wonderful and yet so horrible all at the same time! Having watched it through a few times, I have a decent idea of what is happening where and when, but it really just jumps ALL over the place! It is very much an old-school no-holds-barred psychological thriller that does everything it can to disorient you as the audience, and it does a spectacular job of it. I also really do get what you are saying about the old-school anime aesthetic of it all. I'm not trying to dismiss modern anime, but I'm (disconcertingly) an oldtaku, myself, having been at the prime of my anime-watching career back in the early to mid 2000's, when I was in college. Heck, I remember attending the Seattle anime convention, Sakuracon, when it was still at the SeaTac Hilton with an attendance of 4745. I still remember when it moved to the Washington State Convention Center the next year... and the year I graduated, it hit 11,000 attendees. In any event, it was a pretty spectacular era in anime. I from that kind of era, I would recommend Samurai X and Ninja Scroll for movies. I also have a special place in my heart for the series FLCL (or Fooly Cooly as it is called in America). It is only six episodes of concentrated insanity, but it has got a really good heart to it, and the last episode hits pretty hard for me. Another good anime movie would be Paprika. I enjoy that one a lot!
One of my favorites movies! And my fav movie from Satoshi Kon. You can try his other movies if you still didn't watch them, like Paprika or Tokyo Godfathers to start
For me the point of the movie is not the all murders around mima. This movie erase the limits of the ficcion inside the ficcion with a lot of grace, some people says satoshi kon is the lynch (david) of the animation, but david is a little to obtuse in his vision of dreams, Satoshi use the dreams and the visual to tell a good history for all the audience, not just for niche. Rest in Peace granmaster P.D: this movie is still relevant this day more than anytime cause the internet and the media is a hell with our identities like "who is the real me the one in the internet reacting, the one in the social webs, the one who write comments in youtube" and people can create a ilusion of you just with a few clicks and some little malice words ...so a really masterpiece, just ask Darren Aronofsky or Chris Nolan if they are tired to use ideas and visual from Kon films xd
2:46 After I heard that I started to appreciate the aesthetic and art style of 80's and 90's anime. Anime can still looks good today, but it's very different from what we had before.
Omg they reacted to perfect blue💀 Hey btw react to Paprika and Tokyo Godfathers too it's the same creator who made perfect blue and they're both masterpiece🤩 He's works are all so amazing! Alot of movies are literally inspired by his works! He's trully awesome, rest in peace Satoshi Kon🕊️💐
The scene where the pizza "guy" kills the photographer is so meticulous, if you go frame by frame where the attacker is stabbing him repeatedly there's a couple frames of rumi right as the elbows go down, fkin genius imo
Of all anime reviewer you guys are the best!!! You just can tell when someone truly love watching movies and someone who just watch it for killing time. You both are genuinely amazing! I just found your channel today and immediately subscribed, I shall binge all your videos, keep up the great work guys! 💕
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🎵Cause I'm dreaming
Of you tonight
Till tomorrow
I'll be holding you tight🎵
Yeah, we know Selena. Jlo played her in her bio pic. So young, so talented.
I have watched this film over 2 dozen times since the late 90s. And I still rethink my understanding of the film. Who was going thru what. Which person was doing what? The more you rewatch it the more you question it all.
Satoshi Kon is, by all means, a master of surrealism, vision and creative spectacle. He is one of the best anime filmmakers in modern cinema. I highly recommend you guys watching his other works.
He is also a master in psychological movie
Even his more tamedable movie , Millenium Actress is still questioning us what is real and what is a part of her movie
You guys mean he WAS
Everything he's touched has been amazing. Yes! More Satoshi Kon movies are highly recommended. Paprika was/is the one I generally use to introduce people to his works. If Paprika hasn't been watched yet, you're totally missing out.
@@ProjektBurn Paprika is a fever dream movie . Like it was weird yet fascinating movie. (I also reccomend do not watch Paprika while you feel high because welp)
@@m.syauqiabdurahman2798 1st time I saw it was after eating a few edibles and um.... I completely agree with the notion of if u want to understand what's going on, go in sober. But on the other hand, if you want a psychedelic ride that will leave you in awe and fascination, go in inebriated and strap in cuz it's one helluva fun ride!
There's a line or two in the movie that gives away why Rumi might've been that way. The male manager guy tells her in one of the scenes that times have changed since Rumi was a pop idol, and Mima's role in Double Bind is the turning point that decides whether or not she will last in the spotlight as an actress. Rumi then says something along the lines of "well excuse me for not lasting", hinting that Rumi was once a singer who either never made it or did for a very short amount of time and her career never went the way she wanted it to. So I think Rumi was living vicariously through Mima while she was a singer and saw herself in her, almost as if she got to become a pop idol again, but it starts to spiral out of control when she becomes an actress. It makes the scene where she cries during the filming of the rape scene interesting... you think it's because she cares for Mima as a person and she's ruining her career, but the other way to interpret that is that's it's the defining moment that her second shot at pop stardom dies and might even be seeing herself in the scene.
Yeah persobally my theory of Rumi see the rape scene
Rumi see the man near Mima when they acted out the rape scene as the man who tarnished Mima's pop idol because like you say
Rumi see herself in Mima and became obsessed to her meaning Rumi is actually a stalker (alias manager) but Mima didn't knew it until the reveal .
Most likely because she knows that from that moment on, Mima could never, ever become a pop idol again, thus destroying Rumi's chance to live the pop idol life through mima.
The reason for that as I said in the comment I left above in the comment section, is because pop idol the way it is in Japan, is a specific Japanese concept that has no equivalent in the west.
Normal average girls who have an aptitude at singing and dancing and look nice are scouted by talent agents and groomed to become those perfect creatures that give the image almost of holy and unobtainable angels that teenagers can dream and fantasize on so they succeed and sell records.
Today the J-pop industry is a bit more relaxe and not as popular as it was in the 80's, but even today, these girls are supposed to represent the image of perfection and there are cases of J-pop singers who were found out to have a boyfriend and were berated by angry fans as it destroyed the image of the girl the fans want to be with.
It's kind of crazy and explains why this industry puts a lot of unfair pressure on these girls, something that the movie obviously tries to criticize.
So to become an actress is kind of tarnishing the image, something unacceptable for a J-pop singer, but add a rape scene?
After such a scene, there is no way the fans could have ever accepted her back as a j pop singer now that she was 'spoiled'.
Which is why Rumi was 'crushed' by the decision and decided to go along with her plan to drive mima insane and ultimately kill her through Me-Mania so she could preserve the 'innocent' image of Mima that now, in her delusion' she intended to accaparâtes for herself.
Also for the fact that Rumi was at one time a pop idol.
The movie shows that she is a chubby woman and it's possible that she didn't last long as a J pop singer because she did not represent the image of physical perfection expected from J pop idols whom the managers expected would be the envy of fans ready to spend their money to see them in concert.
So it's not far fetched to think that the chubby Rumi decided to become a manager to live the life of a J-pop idol through her clients and developed an obsession for Mima specifically.
Rumi always appears to be a mother figure to Mima, which is why she cries like that during the rape scene. She can’t bear seeing that be done to her surrogate daughter. Or was I the only one saw their relationship that way? Hey, another “Black Swan” link! The failed mother and the famous daughter!
Satoshi Kon was WAY ahead of the curve in terms of Modern Psychological horror with this film. This film practically predicts internet culture today in terms of identity online. So sad we lost him all those years ago, his films will always be legendary.
It isn't a requirement to understand Japan's idol culture prior to watching this film, but it certainly helps make sense of some of what happens. The concept of graduation and fans being upset about a member leaving the group is portrayed realistically in this film. Idols are seen as pure and innocent and "available" to the fans. Leaving the group usually means leaving that behind. And not all fans take that very well. Idol culture is, in many ways, unhealthy for both the idols and the fans.
Yeah, not just Jpop idol culture but celebrity culture in general. What celebrity gave us in front of the camera is just an illusion, we can't tell for sure if they being real or not.
True dat
Well? This is universal crime stuff. This is has been a thing in the united states also. Do I need to go into what happened with John Lennon of The Beatles fame?
@@1986BNick is not the same, like jpop or kpop singers are even prohibited to date by their agencies to not ruin their image to the fans
This movie is more than great. Satoshi Kon was such a genius, all of his filmography is a must.
Nice reaction.
Yeah
You can say he hit a home run in his work
@@m.syauqiabdurahman2798 What a Lil' slugger...
wasnt expecting a reaction to this absolute masterpiece.
still one of the best anime movies ever made.
One thing a lot of people don’t remember is she cut herself on the teacup and bled quite a bit when Rumi was there. Her bloody blouse in her closet could have been from that incident the whole time. This movie is very good at making things go by so quick you forget the context they add to future scenes which helps make you feel as unsure of reality as Mima. A master class in how good editing can elevate a film beyond the individual scenes to something greater than the sun of its parts.
It's also worth mentioning that Darren Aronofsky's Black Swan had so much similarities to Perfect Blue, particularly Mima Kirigoe and Nina Sayers 'losing their grip on reality' and theme of 'the blurring of lines between fantasy and reality.'
Satoshi also accused Darren of plagarism bc Darren said he got inspiration from Perfect blue but denied copying it
@@emmal.r366 Satoshi can't win... that would be like CDprojeckt sueing Fromsoft for making an openworld game in a dark fantasy
Similarities? He basically stole sceens
@@emmal.r366 the bathtub scream scene is shot for shot second for second
@@bombomos the bathtub scene wasn’t even in Black Swan…
The movie set it up early on that Rumi used to be a pop idol herself back in the day, so she was definitely living her fantasy through Mima which explains why she was the one most against Mima changing her career.
The rape scene was the inciting incident that sets you up for the rest of the story. That was where Rumi started taking things in her own hands, Mima was psychologically affected, and the stalker started taking action to protect Mima's "identity" due to Rumi's manipulations. That's what the movie is about: the concept of identity and the acceptance of self with Mima. It also details just how easy it is for an outside perspective to distort one's identity.
What's scary is this film is just as relevant today as it was back then. Especially with the modern world and creating online personas through social media (RUclips, Twitch, Twitter etc.) We the audience can just as easily perceive you as something else when in reality how you are with your personal lives behind closed doors may be something completely different or less exaggerated than how you present yourself online. Its this whole concept of identity that's so fascinating.
To make the finale more mysterious a fun fact: rumi’s voice actress is who says “no I’m real” even tho it’s mima who says it soooooo it’s up to your interpretation on what happened.
Edit: also to further make the ending ambiguous the two nurses outside the hospital thought they saw mima but then said no that couldn’t be her. Implying either she is famous and don’t expect her to be visiting a mental hospital or it’s rumi tryna look like mima this plus rumi’s voice in the end is enough to leave the ending ambiguous.
Yess I remember being so confused by the ending.
Now I know why.! Because this movie is also infamous for its ambiguous ending.
Yes is ambiguous, but after the truck accident mima is the one who is awake, like "the nightmare is finally over". Yes the last shot try to be confusing but before we saw the end of the mental conflict and the born of the new mima, the actress.
It's also weird because we never see Mima drive throughout the movie, she's always driven by others (including Rumi) but she's in the driver's seat in the end scene
@@kitana5583 you bring up a good point but that could also symbolize Mima now having a clear control of her life. No one to "stir" her their direction.
her being rumi at the end is impossible cause u cant fix ur eye position through any cranial surgery. Its definitely has to be Mima still. i mean with her acting skills now it wont be a surprise
Great Reaction !
Perfect Blue, one of the masterpiece of the first artist I've ever cried. I still feel empty from the day I read Mr Kon's death letter online. The man was a genuine genius.
I love when any piece of media messes with my head, this movie was able to show me Mima's degrading psyche perfectly imo. At the beggining when people started dying and we saw the creepy guy watching her I thought I knew where the story was going, it was your classic Psycho bussiness but no, when Mima started having visions I started doubting what I was seeing too since she is the POV character, by the middle of the movie there had been so many dreams and hallucinations thrown at me I felt like I couldn't trust Mima anymore and started considering that she had some real mental problems that made her an unreliable narrator, I was as confused and scared as her cause I didn't know what was real or not anymore.
this is how gaslighting works…u don’t know what’s real or not :/
Great reaction. I forgot just how much of a mindfuck this movie was, especially during the waking up sequences. And the more you read about and dig beneath the layers ,with the symbolism, the transitions and the color theory, the more of a masterpiece it becomes.
Satoshi Kon was an absolute genius. I'd argue even better than Miyazaki. All four of his movies and one anime are amazing. We can only imagine what kind of movies we could have gotten if he was still with us. RIP legend.
Satoshi Kon was so ahead of his time
Specially now on the information age, where we have avatars and online personas.
The hand drawn art style between the late 80's and through the 90s definitely had it's own flare. There are so many small animation techniques that really give a show or movie an identity of it's own that just fell out once they started making all anime with computers.
I still think stuff like One Punch Man, Demon Slayer, Attack on Titan all still look fantastic. But there's less charm
Its just like there is no fluidity you now !?😕
Paprika by the same director is another masterpiece which influenced Nolan's dream thriller Inception
I think you miss it, but i am sure that in some moment of the movie is mentioned that Rumi was an Idol or at least she tried to be when she was younger but couldn´t continue or her time just pass. I dont exactly know, i cant remember but i think is a very strong point to understand Rumi psyche.
Also, i didnt expect you two reacting to this movie. What great susprise, and great reaction like always. Sorry for my bad english.
your english is great!!
Memania was in love with Mima, and Rumi used his feelings to manipulate him. She started emailing him, and told him that Mima was an imposter. “As long as that imposter’s around, we can never be together!” And of course, what will a man not do for love? Especially if it’s (perceived) true love.
Rumi isn't real tho
I like how the movie doesn't cheat you.
There were clues throughout the film.
The fact that Me-Mania said that hegets e-mails from Mima is the only thing that makes sense because he put in the 'diary' things he could not have heard without being given inside info, like private conversations between Mima and Rumi.
For example when in the diary there is a quote of her saying how Eri (the actress on Double Bind) is another person when the camera isn't rolling, only Rumi heard that.
So yes, there were clues. This film is so well constructed, it's insane.
A true masterpiece.
Fantastic movie and story-wise, one of the greatest anime ever.
What is immediately noticeable in Kon's work is his mastery of the editing.
He is the Edgar Wright of anime. His transitions are so smooth and well done that you truly can't tell when you pass from Mima's reality to her delusions and that helps make the movie like a fever dream.
There is plenty of symbolism and cues given by means of visuals.
Just an example. In the first scene where we are introduced to the stalker, Me-Mania, he is a security guard (he obviously took the job to be closer to Mima), and he looks at her trough his open palm while the space around her is kind of blurred.
We immediately are reminded of a statue or the little ballerinas in music boxes. Point is that he puts her on a pedestal and the blurring shows that he is oblivious of anything else but her.
Then when a can is thrown at her, the blurring disappear and he then goes to confront the troublemakers who 'dissipated' his moment.
Just in one frame, without any dialogue, Kon perfectly conveyed the state of mind of Me-Mania and how he sees Mima.
Now, that's storytelling.
The song the group sings for most of the movie Ai No Tenshi (an angel watches over) is so great, I've learned the lyrics and it is my ringtone.
Kon's goal was to show the place of women in the entertainment industry and to what pressures they are put in.
The film OBVIOUSLY influenced Daren Aronofsky, you can see it in Requiem for A Dream where the bathtub scene where she plunges underwater to scream: "Bastards" is reproduced frame by frame, and, of course, in Black Swan.
Mima accepts things she doesn't really wants, like the nude pictures or the rape scene, because she can't say no, and that helps destroy and fracture her psyche.
You can do a phd just on the meanings of this movie.
Pls watch the other Kon films: Tokyo Godfathers (one of the greatest Christmas movies ever), Millenium Actress and Paprika (a clear inspiration to Inception, it's basically the same story minus the heist).
His one season anime tv show, Paranoia Agent is also suitably mind fucked.
P.S.: One thing you may have missed, near the beginning of the film, Tadokoro and Rumi talked together and Tadokoro said to Rumi: "You're not a pop idol anymore."
So Rumi was a pop idol in her youth but isn't anymore.
Now to know a bit about the phenomenon of pop idols in Japan, they're supposed to be those perfect, innocent looking girls.
A pop idol in Japan lost her job and was berated by fans when they found she had a boyfriend because girls in that industry are supposed to be this perfect image that fans can fantasize being with as the managers think will increase their popularity and thus: revenue.
You can see how Rumi is depicted in the film, as a chubby woman so it isn't far fetched that in an industry where the looks are so important, Rumi was shown the door out and she became an idol manager, living her dream through Mima and when Mima went into acting, especially after 'soiling' herself by playing the role of a stripper getting raped, destroying any chance to ever be an idol again (idol fans could never accept her back after that), Rumi fragile psyche cracked and she implemented her plan to have her killed and then replaced as Rumi started living the delusion she could be Mima instead of her and she was feeding Me-Mania's own obsession so he could do the job for her.
Long live islamic Iran
tthe confusion worked beautifully because it was there intentionally to mirror Mima's own psychological spiral. as the movie goes on, she gets more unhinged and stressed, and the cuts to different times and scenes get even more crazy. and it all builds up to this crazy ass reveal!
Satoshi Kon is one of the best director of all time
You should watch more of his movies
Selena died two years before this movie was released.
IDK if that influenced the writer of Perfect Blue? No clue but I wouldn't be surprised
Though Rumi is a creepy killer, somehow I feel so sad for her. That's what masterpiece does: to bring out the complexity of human nature and remind there is no perfect white or black, maybe only "perfect blue".
OH YES!!!!!!! Been waiting for this. Perfect Blue, Steins;Gate, and Bebop?! This might be my favorite arc of the channel besides Rick and Morty
Edit: just finished it and I absolutely loved this video. This movie makes you understand everything only for it to leave absolutely discombobulated which is what Mimi was going through this entire movie. There’s so many angles, wrestles with mania, and perspectives it’s mind bending. Truly bending reality and fantasy. Just an insane movie and masterpiece. Glad you guys experienced it and loved it!
I love how many times this movie flips the table, to the point where you no longer know which side of it was originally right side up.
"Millenial Actress" and "Tokyo Godfather" from Satoshi Kon are great as well. While neither are as mind-bending as this one, they both are well-crafted film. For another mind-bending Satoshi Kon's film, go see "Paprika".
I'd also recommend "Magnetic Rose", which is 1 out of 3 movie segments within an anthology called "Memories", which was created/produced by Katsuhiro Otomo (the director of "Akira"). That one is worth watching as well.
OMG! You guys just reacted the movies and animes which are my favorite. From Steins:Gate, AOT, and now you reacted Perfect Blue. Wow, you guys know how to find the greatness, don't you? Kon Satoshi's movies are amazing, added lots of chaos and dream concepts, sometimes it is hard to understand, but it is worthy to think about the meaning behind it and it's fun to brainstorming.
P.S. Tokyo Godfather is the best in my opinion, also Paprika is worthy to watch too!
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Ugh thank you patreons for suggesting this. When I saw the notification for this I jumped out my bed ready to watch. You guys said so many smart theories and viewpoints, which I loved because it made me engage even more. There is so many interpretations out there but I guess its just left up to us to kinda decide what really happened. Otherwise, I very much enjoyed this. Cant wait to see much more anime movies in the future!
Love movies like this the ones that can make you ask questions
You guys are keeping surprising me,really good choice!
Curious facts, the scene where Mima's in the bathtub and scream under water was identically used in the movie "Requiem for a dream".
Also, this concept was used in the movie "Black Swan", I didn't know if they were actually inspired by Perfect Blue tho
Yes, it is almost a scene by scene remake especially the final act.
@@gregoryjenkins8645Have you seen Black Swan? You’re literally lying and trying to sound smart, fucking stop
“This concept” what does that mean?
Perfect Blue is not about dance.
Perfect Blue didn’t invent psychological thrillers.
Black Swan is not about a stalker.
Black Swan is not a murder mystery.
Everyone who compares the two is just lying through their teeth, like am I the only one who isn’t deranged??
The first anime that made me realise that animation was not just for kids. I might of seen Akira before that but I'm sure I didn't really understand it the first time so I didn't watch it again until years later.
This movie changed the way I look at movies. But, that's probably because I saw it for the first time right when I started going to Uni.
I think there's some context needed on Japanese idol culture to help add to the film's interpretation. I'm no expert, but from what I understand, female pop idols in Japan have tightly controlled public images the revolve around cuteness and innocence. Idols can be banned by their agencies or managers from having public romantic relationships because it disappoints fans and damages their "untouchable" images. Idols can also get in trouble for being seen smoking or drinking.
It's not just that Mima is a pop idol transitioning in becoming an actress. Mima is a pop idol transitioning into acting in a violent, sexual drama series. Where she stars in a rape scene in a sleazy club. While partially nude. And then a photographer takes a bunch of sexy pin up of photos of her and publishes them.
I think knowing this adds some important context to understanding the characters: It's why Mima has a crazed fan obsessed with protecting the "real Mima's" purity, why Rumi is so upset at the writer's adding a rape scene for Mima, and Mima's own conflicting feelings about her career shift and self perception. It's the madonna/whore complex cranked up to eleven and made worse by the fact Mima has to deal with the blow back from other people and herself.
As others have said, Satoshi Kon is a great director definitely. He was a great film maker that really used the medium of animation to mess with perception. No pressure to you guys, and I'd spread them out, but it be awesome if you check his other films Millennium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers (a legit actually great Christmas movie that's not straight up about Christmas), Paprika, and his 1 season show the twisted Paranoia Agent.
There is barely anyone reacting to this movie. I'm soooo glad y'all are watching this.
You need to watch Paprika next, Actually all of this guy Satoshi kon movies are must watch. They are really good. Paprika is not as dark of a movie but definitely still a great psychological thriller.
Awesome to see you two react to this! One of my fav animated films since so many do horror quite poorly. Damn shame Satoshi Kon passed away cause he was incredibly talented
You guy's reaction was amazing, I swear it was really satisfying y'all understand everything and reacted they way I wanted 😂
I can field that question about how famous Cham were! See, in Japan, the idol industry has always been about cultivating parasociality, even before the internet. They push new talent really hard to maintain a palatable image and connect emotionally with their fanbase. Hence, even people who barely chart will often have a small core of total diehards.
as i heard once from what someone described this movie, it’s as if David Lynch and Alfred Hitchcock made a movie together = Perfect Blue 👏🏻
At the end, the last line "I am real" was said by the voice actor of Rumi, which makes it ambiguous as to who she really is.
Wait so mima is the huge girl and rumi is the slim one wtf?
I've heard that and I've also heard that was debunked so I'm confused
Black swan the movie actually took alot of inspiration from this movie, also if you guys like inception, do watch paprika. inception is based on that movie too
'Inception' is also based on the 'Philip K. Dick' novel 'Ubik', just as 'Tenet' is based upon 'Counter-Clock World' by the same.
neither of these things are true. the internet has made media literacy non existent.
“woah, dream machine??? this is just like inception durrrr”
You should react to Satoshi Kon's tv show " Paranoia Agent." :)
And his movie "Paprika."
Everything Satoshi Kon made is pure gold. Millenium Actress, Tokyo Godfathers too. Frigging genius
@@Camuska If you (or anyone else reading thsi) don't know, a RUclips channel called "Every Frame a Painting" made a short video essay on Satoshi Kon. It's amazing and very well done.
The man was a visionary. RIP
@@Camuska And don't forget Magnetic rose, his segment in the Memories shorts anthology
And also Paranoia agent
I know I'm late on this video, but my interpretation, was that the stalker had a shared perception of who mima should be because of rumi creating the website and attacked the real mima, so she killed him out of life or death circumstances. But all of the dead managers are Rumi's doing and of the course the last attack on mima.
After y’all started guessing I was like, “y’all are from Texas, I believe. Put two-and-two together,” and then when I heard ya say “Yolanda,” I was like 🎉 “Yes! Y’all are about halfway there 😂” That was a great reaction, and I’m glad y’all liked it.
Have y’all seen Black Swan (2010?)
Satoshi Kon died very early, but left a legacy of four brilliant films, all of them must-see
RIP Satoshi Kon
This was a great reaction of a favorite movie of mine by the great, late director Satoshi Kon.
I hope you guys do other Satoshi Kon movies! I've never seen a bad one, though Millennium Actress is my personal favorite
+++++
Every single Kon's work is a pure masterpiece in its respective field
Honestly a phenomenal film, glad you guys enjoyed it!
In Japan, "Black Swan" is said to be a plagiarism of "Perfect Blue". And director Darren Aronofsky is also famous for imitating the work of the director of "Perfect Blue" many times.
As we all know, Japanese media is never over-possessive or completely over-stepping their bounds on what is and is not “stealing”.
@@robertyeah2259they respect ownership of creative arts way more than we do, that’s just a fact.
Satoshi Kon was truly amazing, I definitely recommend watching Paprika, Tokyo Godfathers, and Paranoia Agent
it feels very different and aesthetically pleasing because it was mroe artful. at least GITS and Perfect Blue. the more popular ones are on production deadlines using techniques that take away from the meticulous nature of 90's animation. and also those two you've watched are also just more mature than the trope heavy shonens that are popular with react channels.
This movie reminds me of Paranoia Agent and Paprika so much. There are so many similarities from the dreaming to the mindfuck stuff. Paranoia Agent and Paprika has the same creator as Perfect Blue.
At the end she did say she was the real thing in a good way
Rumi wanted to be her. There is a line that is very brief and passes by without notice where Rumi states she was once a Pop Idol singer too. I think Rumi was living vicariously through Mima. Basically Rumi was gas lighting her the entire time after she left the singing group.
my belief is that early in the movie the animation "looks like" a normal 1990s low budget animation but that's just to disarm you into thinking "it's just another anime" but later on the quality gets better but at the same time the story is so gripping it becomes "real" and you don't realize you've been ensnared "by the film" and now you're in the movie and now you're feeling what Mimarin is feeling. And then slowly reality goes haywire and the events in the film causes you to have a psychotic break and you don't know what is real and what is not real anymore. What an achievement for a film to induce such an effect on the viewer, genius!, everyone stands up applauding but you realize you're still watching the movie... or are you? Did you finish watching or are you still trapped in the movie thinking you just watched a reaction but maybe that's just what they want you to believe? You are watching yourself reading the comments but you can still hear the movie playing, wait is this real?
Remember picking this up when i was relatively new to anime, i was probably like 12 or 13 and was the first anime i bought and was hit with how unexpectedly fast this whole movie went south .still a great watch and would recommend
Good movie, another great movie from this director, Paprika :)
Revisiting all those Japanese films constantly reminds me how much those amazing Hollywood writers have 'borrowed' over all those years.
This film is pre-dated by a number of Italian 'giallo' films (which in themselves are based upon a number of comics on yellow paper).
Examples are 'Deep Red' (Profondo Rosso), 'The Bird With Crystal Plumage', and others.
Art is inspired by other art, who knew.
Oh my god stop being so elitist about “ownership” of ideas. I shouldn’t have to explain why that’s idiotic to a grown up.
But I get it, the ideas are easier to digest if “Japan made good media and Hollywood steal bad 😢” is how you see it, plus it’s easy to feel superior to other Americans. How pathetic
@@robertyeah2259jeez, at first I just thought you were an idiot, but now after seeing all your comments on this video, you seem to seriously need help. You are way too obsessed over being right about a topic you know literally nothing about. And now this comment especially showed you have even deeper issues that go way beyond this movie. You need psychological help.
34:55 This part was just a classic and I loved watching you go through it for the first time. This psychological horror just tortures the viewer by drawing them in to the story of someone's world falling apart while playing the role of an actor who's world is falling apart. You are just looking to understand the confusing mess and this scene finally gives you what you have been looking for.. then takes it away as yet another scene in a tv show.
I'm glad the movie ends well as it really needed everything to fall into place and it does perfectly.
People are debating on what the ending meant because when Mima said the last line "No I'm Real" it was said by Rumi's voice actor. Personally I think it is Mima I just want my happy ending. Also if you guys would like, you guys should watch other Satoshi Kon's film "Paprika"
The earliest web browsers, like NCSA Mosaic (which would eventually become Netscape Navigator), were a thing by '93/'94.
1997 was the age of geocities and similar quality websites, as depicted in the movie.
So glad this movie got brought up again
the "yolanda 2.0" comment had me dying
If you didn't catch it (I didn't the first time I watched this) Rumi was either a former or failed pop idol and ended up working as a manager instead because she didn't make it in the biz. That also adds to her character personality...she was living her dream through Mima.
I hope you will react to Millenium actress made by Satoshi Kon too. And of course Paprika who inspired Inception! Also, Perfect Blue inspired Black Swan.
I love your realization train at the climax of the film. The way the dominos were falling for you guys was such a fun and satisfying moment.
Your reaction video was absolutely incredible. This movie is confusing yet you managed to work out everything, especially the fact Rubi was emailing the stalker. Excellent and brilliantly entertaining.
The message of the film is terrifying and depressing about the actresses, I did not expect you to see this great film, And I wish you watch the dramatic and terrifying drama Anime monster.
probably has one of the best twists in something ive ever seen
wow, this is an epic reaction to an epic movie! 😃 Kacee's talking more which makes it doubly awesome.
"Idol" is what the guard guy is holding in the palm of his hand... He became "Me-maniac" personality in Mimas Room and Rumi manipulated him to protect the idol. Rumi became the real Mimarin in Mima's Room and claimed the actress was the impostor... What a mind "job" !! I remember the recurring walk sign and going to the store over and over until you don't know what is real anymore... whoah.
Oooo, nice pick guys! I actually forgot all about this one. I caught this waaay back, closer to when it came out in the US. Really good one.
Along with the films you mentioned and this one, "Paprika" would be a great addition. It's like the Matrix on acid. 😁
Edit: Oh yea, and "Ghost in the Shell: Innocence" is really good too. I was pleasantly surprised with it. Usually sequels aren't as good, but it came pretty close for me.
oh my god yes, you finally started watching the films of the genius Satoshi Kon
Amazing reaction, guys! I’m glad this movie fucked with you as much as it did me when I first saw it! If you want to watch more of the director’s work I highly recommend “Paranoia Agent” his only anime series. It’s average length and filled with the same psychological horror goodness, so pick it up on or off the channel if you’re interested!
More recomendations from Satoshi Kon's work
Paprika a fantasy movie with traces of science fiction ( that by the way, sorta inspired Inception)
Millennium Actress a romance with meta Comment on movies especially old japonese movies
Tokyo Godfathers a drama comedy that is also a christmas movie
And ending with Paranoia Agent, that one is a series with elements of thriller and suspense but is really good, only have 12 eps i guess, talks about the many ways that the human psyche works.
And in a personal note, you guys could watch Gakkou Gurashi, it's not a Satoshi Kon's work, it's more a modern anime but is one mine favorites, but it's better watch not knowing what is about not even read the synopsis because is one of that animes.
34:40 You're SO in!
Fiction's Director : "CUT!"
Your faces : 😲😲"WHAAT?!?!"
Priceless!
This one is, legitimately, a mind-fuck. It is wonderful and yet so horrible all at the same time! Having watched it through a few times, I have a decent idea of what is happening where and when, but it really just jumps ALL over the place! It is very much an old-school no-holds-barred psychological thriller that does everything it can to disorient you as the audience, and it does a spectacular job of it. I also really do get what you are saying about the old-school anime aesthetic of it all. I'm not trying to dismiss modern anime, but I'm (disconcertingly) an oldtaku, myself, having been at the prime of my anime-watching career back in the early to mid 2000's, when I was in college. Heck, I remember attending the Seattle anime convention, Sakuracon, when it was still at the SeaTac Hilton with an attendance of 4745. I still remember when it moved to the Washington State Convention Center the next year... and the year I graduated, it hit 11,000 attendees. In any event, it was a pretty spectacular era in anime.
I from that kind of era, I would recommend Samurai X and Ninja Scroll for movies. I also have a special place in my heart for the series FLCL (or Fooly Cooly as it is called in America). It is only six episodes of concentrated insanity, but it has got a really good heart to it, and the last episode hits pretty hard for me. Another good anime movie would be Paprika. I enjoy that one a lot!
This film is basically about false identity and terrifying how Perfect Blue predicted social media.
One of my favorites movies! And my fav movie from Satoshi Kon. You can try his other movies if you still didn't watch them, like Paprika or Tokyo Godfathers to start
For me the point of the movie is not the all murders around mima. This movie erase the limits of the ficcion inside the ficcion with a lot of grace, some people says satoshi kon is the lynch (david) of the animation, but david is a little to obtuse in his vision of dreams, Satoshi use the dreams and the visual to tell a good history for all the audience, not just for niche. Rest in Peace granmaster
P.D: this movie is still relevant this day more than anytime cause the internet and the media is a hell with our identities like "who is the real me the one in the internet reacting, the one in the social webs, the one who write comments in youtube" and people can create a ilusion of you just with a few clicks and some little malice words ...so a really masterpiece, just ask Darren Aronofsky or Chris Nolan if they are tired to use ideas and visual from Kon films xd
2:46 After I heard that I started to appreciate the aesthetic and art style of 80's and 90's anime. Anime can still looks good today, but it's very different from what we had before.
The director of Requiem for a Dream bought the rights of Perfect Blue so he could use the bath scene.
Out of all reaction about this movie, yours are the best one. You guys put everything up so quick and so well too.
29:31 When the fiction IN the fiction hit the reality of the fiction... Oh Yeah! That was weird to write!
I watched this movie while I was high as a kite and whooooo boy. Blew my mind.
old anime's really hit different when it comes to storytelling
Omg they reacted to perfect blue💀
Hey btw react to Paprika and Tokyo Godfathers too it's the same creator who made perfect blue and they're both masterpiece🤩
He's works are all so amazing!
Alot of movies are literally inspired by his works! He's trully awesome, rest in peace Satoshi Kon🕊️💐
The scene at 3:36 is masterpieces....
The scene where the pizza "guy" kills the photographer is so meticulous, if you go frame by frame where the attacker is stabbing him repeatedly there's a couple frames of rumi right as the elbows go down, fkin genius imo
Of all anime reviewer you guys are the best!!! You just can tell when someone truly love watching movies and someone who just watch it for killing time. You both are genuinely amazing!
I just found your channel today and immediately subscribed, I shall binge all your videos, keep up the great work guys! 💕
44:15 thats exactly it. Rumi is preserving the old image. Rumi herself was former popstar.
Perfect Blue is one of my favorite movies of all time and y'all's reaction did not disappoint!
21:59 now he's double blind, da do choo
Satoshi Kon will always have a special place in my heart. His work is why i love anime movies.
The last scene in the car, the face was Mimarin’s, but the voice was Rumi’s character saying in the mirror “I am the real one”
Really good choice! Hope one day they react to Serial ecperiments Lain and Monster next.