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BF2 overall, but BF1 had some amazing maps (Bespin platforms, the OG Geonosis, Kashyyyk Docks, Dune Sea, Nabokov Plains) and the native faction taking command posts was fun. I even had one game on Dune Sea where I helped the sandpeople take most of the command points
Funny thing in the space battles in BF2, you can pilot a troop transport and land it in the enemy hanger for friendly AI to spawn and kill enemy pilots/marines. Sometimes, the friendlies would pilot the transports and kamikaze into the walls, killing themselves and all the passengers lmao
Same here. I'm just excited for the initial player count. I think it'll be a big hit. Can't wait for the huge battles on Hoth and Geonosis.@@timbo_homeslice
The heroes/villians in bf1 can be killed if they fall out of the map from your explosive but yeah, always found it weird that they can deflect almost every projectile and was an actual menace to the battlefield
You can actually kill them with explosives, the thing is, if you look closely, they have the "heal" effect on them, meaning they're actually regenerating health constantly. So, you either have to inflict something they can't come back from (ram, out of the map, land on them with aircraft) or do damage faster than they can heal.
Totally agree on the worst cut feature. When I was playing the BFII campaign on the highest difficulty, all I wanted was just to be able to hit the deck, because there were too many lazer blasts all around me (and, in most cases, directly towards me), and I needed to stay alive for at least couple more seconds. Alas, however, they hardly go prone in-universe, if we're not talking Karen Treviss books, of course.
Well, I imagine it's not very easy to go prone in clone armour. As to droids, they don't even go prone at all. In the movies, it was mostly the rebels that did it, and only on Endor (I think). Only time I remember a stormtrooper proning was in ANH, and they were trying to crawl under a locked door to get Luke and Leia. Otherwise, never.
Fun fact from a old vet: I got these games when I was a kid, late PS2 early PS3 era. In battlefront 1 I didn't like how you couldn't kill the heros because that would just lead to them wiping you out especially in infantry focused map so if you saw them you were done. Until, I found a way around it, You can infact kill the heros but only on maps with death pits, Bespin platforms was the easiest but probably worked on others like ren var. All you needed to do was use a rocket launcher to blast them over the edge and boom, gone. I felt so clever when I discovered this.
i liked invincible jedi and siths. theses AI controled characters feeled so above your regular trooper. seeing them from afar was scary. what is a droid compared to Windu or a rebel soldier when Vader is near ? as a kid, i had that feeling
2:40 I remember spending a lot of time as a kid finding ways to kill the heroes. There's ways to do it but not many. The easiest way is using explosives to knock them off the side of the map but that only works on maps with a lot of cliffs. The other option is landing a starfighter directly on top on them. It's a little hard to get the hang of pinpoint landings but if you do it right they die instantly. That's the two ways I can remember. Interestingly enough, the game is programmed to respawn the heroes but sometimes it seemed their respawn time was delayed.
You actually could kill the heroes in BF1 if you hit them with a speeder bike or blew them off the map into a death barrier. But if I remember they’d always respawn
My absolute favorite, since I was very young, is Battlefront 1. I just love Phase 1 clones and you can play them on literally every map. Also, they had 3 Teams on many maps, like tusken raidors, jabba guards, ewoks, etc. who could actually invade command posts as the "yellow" team. One of the biggest advantages to Bf 2 was, that there were spaceships on literally every map. Combined arms wasnt that common in bf2 unfortunately. AAaaand - you can lay on the ground, idk why they removed that for bf2. EDIT: Aaaaaaaaand the non-playable Heroes were so nice. Okay you cant play them, but it's a nice feature that you shout to your friend "Count Doku is coming!!" while knowing you cannot kill him. But you can kick him off a cliff with a grenade :) Edit2: Lol I didnt watch the video before commenting, you literally talk about everything i mentioned here x)
I low key liked the unkillable jedi in BF1.. You had to legit be creative (knock them into sarlacc/blow them off a ledge) and it really made you feel like a common infantryman up against a force wielder.
2:43 There are 2 ways to kill heroes in BF1! The main way is to drive a speeder bike into them but dismount the bike before it hits. The other is to fling them off an edge with explosives!
In the Star Wars battlefront two mod tools you can say that they were indeed planning on including ground starfighters but cut them out at last minute because all of the space vehicles have a special signifier on them “sc” standing for space combat. Battlefront two is actually quite different because they removed the ability for vehicles to strafe like they did in battlefront one
Some of my best memories of BF1 is fighting on Bespin, then for some reason all the AI knew we had to fight in the those corridors. Lasers! Grenades! Troopers being flung out of the windows! Epic. Loved this game
Always loved flanking with a star fighter on that map. Would sneak up behind the crowd stuck in the corridors and light em up! That or just lob grenades like crazy.
As a strictly ps2 player bf1 was just a thousand times better than bf2. Better frame rate, better maps, much mich better ai, better vehicles, air vehicles on ground maps, no heroes spoiling the entire premise of the franchise etc. Bf2 did have a few advantages but they were few and far between.
Correction: you can kill heroes in the first game. It just takes knocking them off a cliff, landing a ship on them, or just giving them a ton of damage. Like, the amount of damage an AT AT can take
I think Battlefront 2 is more fun overall, but Battlefront 1 definitely has its perks mentioned in the video! Even Galactic Conquest was better in the second with buying units and stuff but at least the first had the ability to destroy planets and stuff which was cool. They're both great games and I'm excited for the Classic Collection!😁❤️
Good Video. I didn't know these about my beloved Battelfront. But I have to Diagree with you in One Pint. The "Bow Caster" on Dark Trooper and Clones. I absolutly Dispiese this Weapon, absolut useless. needs to load up to do Any Damage and Never Kills anything on One shot. reliable. I loved my Darktrooper in BF1 , Shoot & Scoot Taktics, Higly Mobil. with a GOOD SHootgun in BF1 in BF2 this never worked right, because of this Stupid Bow Caster change. :-( also. having the Granade lauchser of the Imperial Pilot was RAD ! I like the shotgun for Engineer approach, but BF1 Viriaty had it charm.
Agreed, it was such a disappointment to play BF2 and realize there's no more proning option. Also the removal of cockpit view when in vehicles. Yes, it obstructed your view, but it was immersive. And i hated how they replaced the B1 droid in BF2 as the assault unit with the B2 model. Sure, it makes sense for several reasons, but i still like running around as a B1 with a blaster rifle. In general, the B1 is more slick than the B2. The least they could do was to let us have an OOM as the commander class, because those Magnaguards sucked!
I played BF2 before BF1, words cannot express how dissappointed I was to realize that the first title was better than the sequel...BF1 maps and gameplay felt more like an actual battlefield from the Star Wars universe with rather wide maps while BF2 has a more arcade and way less deep approach as war game with more corridor-ish maps with less liberties...like even the loading screen in BF1 with the planets zoom were cooler than the souless map screenshots in BF2
When i was a kid i found out theres many ways to kill heroes like using mines to make them fall of the map or with a ship landing on them will insta kill them or simply running them over with a tank
It would have made sense for the Clone Commander to have rank painted armor. Only the ARC Trooper and Clone Commander were supposed to have painted armor.
No, the clone captain (red) for the recon class is also supposed to have rank paint for phase 1 as seen in ep2. Edit: And technically the ARC's paint doesn't refer to any rank.
@@MarsiB013 yes i know, the recon class was technically the 'captain' since he was red. Still true, even though the captain was called sniper or recon. They had a commander skin but they replaced it with a clone pilot instead. And technically Arc trooper colours don't represent a rank since there are multiple ARC colours. They even switch from red to blue in the game.
@@invaderIRK1 That's the problem. Sniper and Pilot shouldn't be painted. Also the ARC Trooper should have been a map specific Heavy skin at this point. Trooper, Heavy, Sniper, Pilot, Jet all in white. Officer: green, blue, red, yellow.
@@MarsiB013 technically the Captain skin was given to the recon class which then suggests that is the captain. He even has the ability to call in orbital strikes using his recon droid. Its not 100% accurate but that's what they intended the class to be. And i think the Pilot class was supposed to be called commander or Engineer before they decided to use the pilot skins instead of the commander skin. They probably thought it fits better with the gameplay since they had flyable ships on the map.
Agreed. I could never get used to those gimmicky guns in BF2: darktrooper's lightning gun, magnaguard's grenade launcher pistol, Imperial officer's sound pistol, Bothan spy's flamethrower (which, for whatever reason had a different flame effect to Boba Fett's flamethrower).
@@georgeoldsterd8994 The timing involved in using it was very finicky to get used to especially in conjunction with a jet jump, and in 9 out of 10 situations you were better off with the shotgun. The Magnaguard's Bulldog RLR however was not half bad if you just spammed it at the feet of a group of enemies and ignored the lock on gimmick. 100% agreed on the rest though.
Remind me: frigates are those smaller ships next to the capital ship, right? As far as I know, most maps have two, and they don't respawn once destroyed as they're technically targets just like the capital ship's systems. Some maps might only have one, though, I don't remember.
There's 3 ways to kill heroes in BF1: >Stunlocking with explosives and throwing them out of the map >Ramming them with a sufficiently fast vehicle >Landing a flyer on them (my favourite method and one I discovered by accident) All inconvenient methods to be sure
I found an interesting glitch that I think triggers a function that was supposed to be removed. If you destroy your own auto turret defenses on some capital ships, its shields gain a regeneration buff. as in instead of being a health bar they start to recover on their own. I noticed after doing this for some reason, cant remember that part, then proceeding with the battle and noticing that our shields were still up well more than half way through the battle, they normally burn out about 2 minutes in. also repairing the auto turret defense does not stop the effect. I figure it somehow makes a dormant function go active and it was never caught because who the hell destroys their own stuff like that.
2:50 actually they could be killed. If you used a jedi tank on a hero and kept driving into them it was possible for them to slip under the tank and die. It wouldnt count as a kill but they would die and respawn. Also on Bespin City, the bridge CP for the republic/rebels had a zone beneath it on the right side of the bridge that disabled the hero ai. If you placed a mine in the right location the hero would be blasted off the right side of the bridge and land in that spot. Once there the AI wouldnt leave nor try to attack enemies unless you were right in front of it. So while not a kill perse it did neutralize the hero.
I disagree on the heroes part, heroes were meant to be unkillable and provide your team with a huge advantage which works really well if youre playing on hard difficulty. I have them on often and the enemy team does as well and i face little to no problems cuz i just ignore them
EMP Grenades were low-key quite useless for the Clones in BF1 as they couldn’t be used to ragdoll and stun Dooku. It made playing as the Jet Trooper all the time way more meta.
2:43 Fun fact, you actually could kill Heroes in BF1. Though they will just respawn but there is a way, though its a somewhat pointless way. I thought it was common knowledge though Not gonna lie.
I played BF2 with the conversion pack and let me tell you airships need to be tweak because they move waaay faster than their bf1 counterpart making dogfights feel like craps. This is because they were ported from spaces battles and the ship are made to move faster to compensate the space battle's size. Also the gunship's main blaster is overpower.
I did think that the self-destruct ability of the recon droid was put in place in lieu of the orbital strike because many of the maps in BF2 were indoors or even within something in space (such as the Tantive IV or the Death Star) and it wouldn't make sense to be able to carry out an orbital strike indoors.
They should've still kept the prone feature for the Snipers, at least. Imagine going prone in a bush as the clone sniper on Kashyyk. You'd be a total menace.
Not being able to play heroes was awesome. Just footsoldier action, not farming til you got a hero. And you could kill the jedi by knocking them off ledges
Recon droids were too week! The first game there are ways to kill the heroes you can shoot at them for a really long time then they die or they've just suddenly died by themselves. You can use weaponry to knock them off platforms. You can land vehicles on them or drive over them.
Luckily for PC, Steam and I believe Xbox there are so many different Mods for Classic Battlefront 2. the Conversion Pack Mod for Steam & PC for Classic Battlefront 2 adds in all of the cut maps from Classic Battlefront 1 back into Classic Battlefront 2 with the vehicle situation all squared away. The Conversion Pack also adds extra new maps like Endor Spire, Concord Dawn, Raxus Prime, Haruun Kal, Naboo Prototype, Space Bespin, Space Endor, Space Geonosis, Space Rhen Var, Alderaan, Rattatak, Ord Ibanna, Methlyn, and Rakata Prime. They also included the KOTOR Era as a playable era in the maps as well. I highly recommend downloading it for people who are interested in playing the game again on PC & Steam and it is a must get mod.
I don't understand why we haven't gotten a full-blown remake of the two original games. We got remakes of both _Destroy All Humans!_ games (which were also made by Pandemic) but not _Star Wars: Battlefront!?!_ How is that even possible...?
I don't think the Dark Trooper is the worst special class in BF1. Obviously with the Jetpack, they can't really die to thermal detonators or can dodge enemy fire easily. Also they can get to high ground and shoot from a high angle, depending on the map.
the self destruct isn't as cool as the air strike, but at least you can use it indoors. It's just a shame that it's harder to activate before your drone is destroyed by the enemy.
Ykw, f the balance, they should have kept all battlefront(2004) mechanics in battlefront 2, they've cut too much useful stuff. Idgaf about their hurry, imo, if you are making a sequel, do yourself a favor and make it way better than the o.g. game:)
i used to have fun finding ways to kill the "invincible" Jedi/Sith heroes in BF1: -any map with cliffs or pits, use a rocket or grenade to send them flying into the abyss -landing directly on top of them with a flying vehicle -ramming them at full speed with a speeder bike -using the forked front section of an IFT-X or TX-130 to catch them, and then push them waaaay out into the "out of bounds" area... where they attempt to run back to the map, get caught up in the front of the tank, and the game proceeds to kill them for desertion. this is best done with a Dark/Jet Trooper, since you can make it back to the map before you get got for desertion, and get to watch the Jedi/Sith keel over even if they manage to wriggle past the tank. sadly they just respawn over and over, but it was a fun challenge to find new ways to execute order 66.
Heroes could be killed in BF1, you just had to be creative about it. Sending them flying off the map, running them over with a speeder, landing a ship on them, etc.. Also, sometimes they would actually die from blaster fire if multiple people shoot at them rapidly and accurately. This is most likely due to how the game calculates things and probably wasn't intended to happen.
In the PS2 version (at least), you can actually repair the ship's shield generator in space battles with the pilot's repair kit. It just takes...so...fracking...long it's not worth it.
Prone was cut for memory limitations, the heroes required quite a bit of memory, so things like footsteps left in the ground and prone were cut to allow for them, Personally i think its an over rated feature because the AI isnt smart enough to warrant it being necessary
1:11 it's worth noting that like aerial combat, it probably is still in the game's code as it can be reactivated with mods. Also was presumably removed since you can't have orbital strikes indoors :p In fact, what happens if you use it in Jabba's Palace in the original game?
You know what’s funny? I still have the PSP port of Battlefront 2. It’s very limited, but it’s at least some way for me to tickle that nostalgia-filled funny bone
Idk if this is just me but i actually prefer the dark troopers with shotguns, i never really liked the bolt caster on them. i think the main thing is that you have to charge it. True it's cool but i love playing a dark trooper in BF1, fly in, shotgun blast a guy, and then fly out just as quick as i flew in It's possible i also just didn't give it enough of a chance though.
I feel like Battlefront 2 was scaled back a minor amount from its predecessor to be better adaptable for ports (especially with the PS2 and PSP). Not that Battlefront 2 doesn't have a lot to offer, in some elements more to offer in terms of maps, characters and modes but especially in the graphics and detail departments its lacking.
I will say this with Star Wars battlefront, one the sniper class and the in the bar mints from space was a bit overpowered. I love it, but even I can admit that with a well seasoned player on certain spots in Star Wars battlefront two you could win 98% of the time without that much help especially in Star Wars battlefront two when you’re the Empire imagine using that little droid on some of the harder levels and boom it suddenly breaks the game. I love it but I miss it.😂
if you hit them just right you could kill BF1 heroes by running them over with a speeder but it was very inconsistent. And of course someone else mentioned ledging them with explosives
You could kill heroes if you landed on them with a ship, don't recall if they get permanently removed from the match or just respawn, probably the latter.
BF1 had a huge area of impact for vehicle cannons.Theres virtually no area of impact in BF2.You can't just shoot next to an enemy and send them flying like you could in the first
If you landed a ship on top of the jedi characters they could be killed. Also on maps like Cloud City they could be blown off of the edge if i remember correctly.
Yoi could kill the heros in bf1 I did it alot It just took a long time Or by landing on them wich caused them to disappear then reappear i a different area
god BF2 classic needs a remaster, just add the maps from 1 and the cool features like air vehicles and id be good dont even need space to ground combat.
they didnt add ships for normal maps because due to the rework of aereal combat for the space battles the ships were to fast for normal maps, if you played mods you know what im refering to
One of my early memories was playing Battlefront 1 on the pc without my dad for the first time, not realising heroes were a thing, and then crying and screaming when mace window came charging towards me and not dying lol
There’s an error in your video you can kill the heroes in bf1 on by running them over with ships or the hoth speeders though this is on ps2 I’m not sure of the other platforms
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What games did you enjoy more, Classic Battlefront 1 or 2? Thanks again for over 500 likes! Part 5 is out now about cut content of BF2, Watch here - ruclips.net/video/8XFLO0kTi5c/видео.html&ab_channel=HeroofSinnoh
BF2
BF2 overall, but BF1 had some amazing maps (Bespin platforms, the OG Geonosis, Kashyyyk Docks, Dune Sea, Nabokov Plains) and the native faction taking command posts was fun. I even had one game on Dune Sea where I helped the sandpeople take most of the command points
BF1 forever
I love both games but I love BF2 more. Since I have BF2 on PC, with mods I could bring BF1 content to BF2 so...
BF1 imo however, can't deny that BF2 is just as awesome
I loved being able to fly the gunship or ride passenger until the ai decides to kamakaze into a rock. Such a shame they dropped that feature for bf2
Honestly, makes Geonosis hands down the best map in the entire game.
@Hero_of_Sinnoh I totally agree, whether it's instant action or historical campaign the ships make the battles so much better.
Funny thing in the space battles in BF2, you can pilot a troop transport and land it in the enemy hanger for friendly AI to spawn and kill enemy pilots/marines. Sometimes, the friendlies would pilot the transports and kamikaze into the walls, killing themselves and all the passengers lmao
Exactly since I did genuinely enjoyed ferrying units around and play pilot on maps
i wish the playerbase was bigger around these two games. I still enjoy them thoroughly nearly 20 years after their release.
Same here. Haven't played it in a long while but I'd love the chance to play a big online match.
@@timbo_homesliceYour dream will come true very soon.
@@Rasmos Dude, I saw and I had the stupidest grin on my face. I'm so hype!
Same here. I'm just excited for the initial player count. I think it'll be a big hit. Can't wait for the huge battles on Hoth and Geonosis.@@timbo_homeslice
@@Rasmos Yeah, exactly. I don't expect it to last forever but I'll definitely try to enjoy it while it lasts. I'll see you on the battlefront. :D
The heroes/villians in bf1 can be killed if they fall out of the map from your explosive but yeah, always found it weird that they can deflect almost every projectile and was an actual menace to the battlefield
Or if you ram them with a fast vehicle, like the swoop bike
They also used to reload their lightsabers, which was funny to see
You can land on them with ships too
You could kill heroes by landing aircraft on them too.
You can actually kill them with explosives, the thing is, if you look closely, they have the "heal" effect on them, meaning they're actually regenerating health constantly. So, you either have to inflict something they can't come back from (ram, out of the map, land on them with aircraft) or do damage faster than they can heal.
Totally agree on the worst cut feature. When I was playing the BFII campaign on the highest difficulty, all I wanted was just to be able to hit the deck, because there were too many lazer blasts all around me (and, in most cases, directly towards me), and I needed to stay alive for at least couple more seconds. Alas, however, they hardly go prone in-universe, if we're not talking Karen Treviss books, of course.
Republic Commando was an amazing book series
Well, I imagine it's not very easy to go prone in clone armour. As to droids, they don't even go prone at all. In the movies, it was mostly the rebels that did it, and only on Endor (I think). Only time I remember a stormtrooper proning was in ANH, and they were trying to crawl under a locked door to get Luke and Leia. Otherwise, never.
Fun fact from a old vet: I got these games when I was a kid, late PS2 early PS3 era.
In battlefront 1 I didn't like how you couldn't kill the heros because that would just lead to them wiping you out especially in infantry focused map so if you saw them you were done.
Until, I found a way around it, You can infact kill the heros but only on maps with death pits, Bespin platforms was the easiest but probably worked on others like ren var. All you needed to do was use a rocket launcher to blast them over the edge and boom, gone. I felt so clever when I discovered this.
You can also lure them out of bounds
@@oathkeeperofoblivion972 Clever
i liked invincible jedi and siths. theses AI controled characters feeled so above your regular trooper. seeing them from afar was scary. what is a droid compared to Windu or a rebel soldier when Vader is near ? as a kid, i had that feeling
My boy, You're not the old vet just yet😅. By the time you got the game we would have had already been playing for about 3 years.
@@invaderIRK1 I got this game when I was in 2 or 3 grade mate, I sure feel the experience
The BF1 demo on Endor had a few cut features, one of them was different grenade throwing modes, like rolling them across the ground.
2:40
I remember spending a lot of time as a kid finding ways to kill the heroes. There's ways to do it but not many.
The easiest way is using explosives to knock them off the side of the map but that only works on maps with a lot of cliffs.
The other option is landing a starfighter directly on top on them. It's a little hard to get the hang of pinpoint landings but if you do it right they die instantly.
That's the two ways I can remember. Interestingly enough, the game is programmed to respawn the heroes but sometimes it seemed their respawn time was delayed.
I killed Luke by hitting him with a speeder bike
@@pierremillett8811 forgot you could do that!
I also stomped on Luke with the AT-AT haha
Check out my recent upload I address 4 ways to kill heroes :) definitely not easy though haha
You actually could kill the heroes in BF1 if you hit them with a speeder bike or blew them off the map into a death barrier. But if I remember they’d always respawn
My absolute favorite, since I was very young, is Battlefront 1. I just love Phase 1 clones and you can play them on literally every map. Also, they had 3 Teams on many maps, like tusken raidors, jabba guards, ewoks, etc. who could actually invade command posts as the "yellow" team. One of the biggest advantages to Bf 2 was, that there were spaceships on literally every map. Combined arms wasnt that common in bf2 unfortunately. AAaaand - you can lay on the ground, idk why they removed that for bf2.
EDIT: Aaaaaaaaand the non-playable Heroes were so nice. Okay you cant play them, but it's a nice feature that you shout to your friend "Count Doku is coming!!" while knowing you cannot kill him. But you can kick him off a cliff with a grenade :)
Edit2: Lol I didnt watch the video before commenting, you literally talk about everything i mentioned here x)
I low key liked the unkillable jedi in BF1.. You had to legit be creative (knock them into sarlacc/blow them off a ledge) and it really made you feel like a common infantryman up against a force wielder.
2:43 There are 2 ways to kill heroes in BF1! The main way is to drive a speeder bike into them but dismount the bike before it hits. The other is to fling them off an edge with explosives!
Battlefront 1 had some of my favorite stuff in the whole series especially the maps.
In the Star Wars battlefront two mod tools you can say that they were indeed planning on including ground starfighters but cut them out at last minute because all of the space vehicles have a special signifier on them “sc” standing for space combat. Battlefront two is actually quite different because they removed the ability for vehicles to strafe like they did in battlefront one
In BF1 heroes could be killed by enviroment like pushing out of map or on desert map pushing them into sarlac pit.
Some of my best memories of BF1 is fighting on Bespin, then for some reason all the AI knew we had to fight in the those corridors.
Lasers! Grenades! Troopers being flung out of the windows! Epic. Loved this game
Always loved flanking with a star fighter on that map. Would sneak up behind the crowd stuck in the corridors and light em up! That or just lob grenades like crazy.
As a strictly ps2 player bf1 was just a thousand times better than bf2. Better frame rate, better maps, much mich better ai, better vehicles, air vehicles on ground maps, no heroes spoiling the entire premise of the franchise etc. Bf2 did have a few advantages but they were few and far between.
2:40 Did my dude just call the Original Trilogy "The Sequels"?
Technically not wrong considering ep 4-6 can be considered sequels to ep 1-3 since they continue the story even though ep4-6 came out beforehand😂
I used to use fly able ships to kill the heroes by landing on them in BF1
Correction: you can kill heroes in the first game. It just takes knocking them off a cliff, landing a ship on them, or just giving them a ton of damage. Like, the amount of damage an AT AT can take
I think Battlefront 2 is more fun overall, but Battlefront 1 definitely has its perks mentioned in the video! Even Galactic Conquest was better in the second with buying units and stuff but at least the first had the ability to destroy planets and stuff which was cool. They're both great games and I'm excited for the Classic Collection!😁❤️
Good Video. I didn't know these about my beloved Battelfront.
But I have to Diagree with you in One Pint. The "Bow Caster" on Dark Trooper and Clones.
I absolutly Dispiese this Weapon, absolut useless. needs to load up to do Any Damage and Never Kills anything on One shot. reliable.
I loved my Darktrooper in BF1 , Shoot & Scoot Taktics, Higly Mobil. with a GOOD SHootgun in BF1
in BF2 this never worked right, because of this Stupid Bow Caster change. :-(
also. having the Granade lauchser of the Imperial Pilot was RAD !
I like the shotgun for Engineer approach, but BF1 Viriaty had it charm.
Im really a big fan of this rise of classic battlefront videos, keep it up
You have to one day make a super 1 hour video with battlefront trivia
2:23 There's something I've always liked about the Naboo guards, so being able to play as them in mods is super fun to me at least!
Agreed, it was such a disappointment to play BF2 and realize there's no more proning option. Also the removal of cockpit view when in vehicles. Yes, it obstructed your view, but it was immersive. And i hated how they replaced the B1 droid in BF2 as the assault unit with the B2 model. Sure, it makes sense for several reasons, but i still like running around as a B1 with a blaster rifle. In general, the B1 is more slick than the B2. The least they could do was to let us have an OOM as the commander class, because those Magnaguards sucked!
I played BF2 before BF1, words cannot express how dissappointed I was to realize that the first title was better than the sequel...BF1 maps and gameplay felt more like an actual battlefield from the Star Wars universe with rather wide maps while BF2 has a more arcade and way less deep approach as war game with more corridor-ish maps with less liberties...like even the loading screen in BF1 with the planets zoom were cooler than the souless map screenshots in BF2
That yellow trooper was actually the pilot from the beta testing phase.
In BF1, you could kill the heroes if you ran over them.
When i was a kid i found out theres many ways to kill heroes like using mines to make them fall of the map or with a ship landing on them will insta kill them or simply running them over with a tank
It would have made sense for the Clone Commander to have rank painted armor. Only the ARC Trooper and Clone Commander were supposed to have painted armor.
No, the clone captain (red) for the recon class is also supposed to have rank paint for phase 1 as seen in ep2.
Edit: And technically the ARC's paint doesn't refer to any rank.
@@invaderIRK1 I meant class not specific officer rank. 🤦
@@MarsiB013 yes i know, the recon class was technically the 'captain' since he was red. Still true, even though the captain was called sniper or recon.
They had a commander skin but they replaced it with a clone pilot instead. And technically Arc trooper colours don't represent a rank since there are multiple ARC colours. They even switch from red to blue in the game.
@@invaderIRK1 That's the problem. Sniper and Pilot shouldn't be painted. Also the ARC Trooper should have been a map specific Heavy skin at this point.
Trooper, Heavy, Sniper, Pilot, Jet all in white.
Officer: green, blue, red, yellow.
@@MarsiB013 technically the Captain skin was given to the recon class which then suggests that is the captain. He even has the ability to call in orbital strikes using his recon droid. Its not 100% accurate but that's what they intended the class to be.
And i think the Pilot class was supposed to be called commander or Engineer before they decided to use the pilot skins instead of the commander skin. They probably thought it fits better with the gameplay since they had flyable ships on the map.
I actually prefer the Dark Trooper's shotgun in the first game. It felt like it got more consistent results.
Agreed. I could never get used to those gimmicky guns in BF2: darktrooper's lightning gun, magnaguard's grenade launcher pistol, Imperial officer's sound pistol, Bothan spy's flamethrower (which, for whatever reason had a different flame effect to Boba Fett's flamethrower).
@@georgeoldsterd8994 The timing involved in using it was very finicky to get used to especially in conjunction with a jet jump, and in 9 out of 10 situations you were better off with the shotgun. The Magnaguard's Bulldog RLR however was not half bad if you just spammed it at the feet of a group of enemies and ignored the lock on gimmick. 100% agreed on the rest though.
I have a question for the community. Does anybody know what determines how many frigates spawn in during a space battle?
Remind me: frigates are those smaller ships next to the capital ship, right? As far as I know, most maps have two, and they don't respawn once destroyed as they're technically targets just like the capital ship's systems. Some maps might only have one, though, I don't remember.
There's 3 ways to kill heroes in BF1:
>Stunlocking with explosives and throwing them out of the map
>Ramming them with a sufficiently fast vehicle
>Landing a flyer on them (my favourite method and one I discovered by accident)
All inconvenient methods to be sure
This is why moding is a thing.
I found an interesting glitch that I think triggers a function that was supposed to be removed.
If you destroy your own auto turret defenses on some capital ships, its shields gain a regeneration buff. as in instead of being a health bar they start to recover on their own.
I noticed after doing this for some reason, cant remember that part, then proceeding with the battle and noticing that our shields were still up well more than half way through the battle, they normally burn out about 2 minutes in. also repairing the auto turret defense does not stop the effect.
I figure it somehow makes a dormant function go active and it was never caught because who the hell destroys their own stuff like that.
Thanks so much for this fact, never heard of this but I just tried it out after reading your comment and it works, Will put it in the next video.
Awesome, I have been trying to let people know of this for 3 years but it's never gained traction.
2:50 actually they could be killed. If you used a jedi tank on a hero and kept driving into them it was possible for them to slip under the tank and die. It wouldnt count as a kill but they would die and respawn.
Also on Bespin City, the bridge CP for the republic/rebels had a zone beneath it on the right side of the bridge that disabled the hero ai. If you placed a mine in the right location the hero would be blasted off the right side of the bridge and land in that spot. Once there the AI wouldnt leave nor try to attack enemies unless you were right in front of it. So while not a kill perse it did neutralize the hero.
I disagree on the heroes part, heroes were meant to be unkillable and provide your team with a huge advantage which works really well if youre playing on hard difficulty. I have them on often and the enemy team does as well and i face little to no problems cuz i just ignore them
I'm a big fan of this game(bf 2004)
I played a lot of hours since i was 6 years old
EMP Grenades were low-key quite useless for the Clones in BF1 as they couldn’t be used to ragdoll and stun Dooku. It made playing as the Jet Trooper all the time way more meta.
2:43 Fun fact, you actually could kill Heroes in BF1. Though they will just respawn but there is a way, though its a somewhat pointless way. I thought it was common knowledge though Not gonna lie.
Actually you can kill the jedi and sith in the first game! Its incredible hard but not impossible
I played BF2 with the conversion pack and let me tell you airships need to be tweak because they move waaay faster than their bf1 counterpart making dogfights feel like craps. This is because they were ported from spaces battles and the ship are made to move faster to compensate the space battle's size. Also the gunship's main blaster is overpower.
I did think that the self-destruct ability of the recon droid was put in place in lieu of the orbital strike because many of the maps in BF2 were indoors or even within something in space (such as the Tantive IV or the Death Star) and it wouldn't make sense to be able to carry out an orbital strike indoors.
They should've still kept the prone feature for the Snipers, at least. Imagine going prone in a bush as the clone sniper on Kashyyk. You'd be a total menace.
Not being able to play heroes was awesome. Just footsoldier action, not farming til you got a hero. And you could kill the jedi by knocking them off ledges
I miss that they not only took out first-person view for ground vehicles but also the unique cockpit models in Battlefront II.
Recon droids were too week! The first game there are ways to kill the heroes you can shoot at them for a really long time then they die or they've just suddenly died by themselves. You can use weaponry to knock them off platforms. You can land vehicles on them or drive over them.
Luckily for PC, Steam and I believe Xbox there are so many different Mods for Classic Battlefront 2. the Conversion Pack Mod for Steam & PC for Classic Battlefront 2 adds in all of the cut maps from Classic Battlefront 1 back into Classic Battlefront 2 with the vehicle situation all squared away. The Conversion Pack also adds extra new maps like Endor Spire, Concord Dawn, Raxus Prime, Haruun Kal, Naboo Prototype, Space Bespin, Space Endor, Space Geonosis, Space Rhen Var, Alderaan, Rattatak, Ord Ibanna, Methlyn, and Rakata Prime. They also included the KOTOR Era as a playable era in the maps as well. I highly recommend downloading it for people who are interested in playing the game again on PC & Steam and it is a must get mod.
Ok I've played these for years and did not know about the orbital strike in BF1. 😂
If memory serves me correctly you can also kill the hero/villan in BF1 by landing on them with a ship lol
I don't understand why we haven't gotten a full-blown remake of the two original games. We got remakes of both _Destroy All Humans!_ games (which were also made by Pandemic) but not _Star Wars: Battlefront!?!_ How is that even possible...?
I don't think the Dark Trooper is the worst special class in BF1. Obviously with the Jetpack, they can't really die to thermal detonators or can dodge enemy fire easily. Also they can get to high ground and shoot from a high angle, depending on the map.
I remember heroes being killable on battlefront 1 on cloud city map as you could shoot them off the edge of the map with rocket launchers
the self destruct isn't as cool as the air strike, but at least you can use it indoors. It's just a shame that it's harder to activate before your drone is destroyed by the enemy.
Ykw, f the balance, they should have kept all battlefront(2004) mechanics in battlefront 2, they've cut too much useful stuff. Idgaf about their hurry, imo, if you are making a sequel, do yourself a favor and make it way better than the o.g. game:)
i used to have fun finding ways to kill the "invincible" Jedi/Sith heroes in BF1:
-any map with cliffs or pits, use a rocket or grenade to send them flying into the abyss
-landing directly on top of them with a flying vehicle
-ramming them at full speed with a speeder bike
-using the forked front section of an IFT-X or TX-130 to catch them, and then push them waaaay out into the "out of bounds" area... where they attempt to run back to the map, get caught up in the front of the tank, and the game proceeds to kill them for desertion. this is best done with a Dark/Jet Trooper, since you can make it back to the map before you get got for desertion, and get to watch the Jedi/Sith keel over even if they manage to wriggle past the tank.
sadly they just respawn over and over, but it was a fun challenge to find new ways to execute order 66.
Heroes could be killed in BF1, you just had to be creative about it. Sending them flying off the map, running them over with a speeder, landing a ship on them, etc.. Also, sometimes they would actually die from blaster fire if multiple people shoot at them rapidly and accurately. This is most likely due to how the game calculates things and probably wasn't intended to happen.
In the PS2 version (at least), you can actually repair the ship's shield generator in space battles with the pilot's repair kit. It just takes...so...fracking...long it's not worth it.
Prone was cut for memory limitations, the heroes required quite a bit of memory, so things like footsteps left in the ground and prone were cut to allow for them, Personally i think its an over rated feature because the AI isnt smart enough to warrant it being necessary
1:11 it's worth noting that like aerial combat, it probably is still in the game's code as it can be reactivated with mods.
Also was presumably removed since you can't have orbital strikes indoors :p In fact, what happens if you use it in Jabba's Palace in the original game?
You know what’s funny? I still have the PSP port of Battlefront 2. It’s very limited, but it’s at least some way for me to tickle that nostalgia-filled funny bone
After all these years did not know concussion grenades did more damage to Droideka shields!
>heros Weren’t killable in BF1
That’s false cause you can kill them either by knocking them off the map or landing a vehicle or running them over.
Idk if this is just me but i actually prefer the dark troopers with shotguns, i never really liked the bolt caster on them. i think the main thing is that you have to charge it. True it's cool but i love playing a dark trooper in BF1, fly in, shotgun blast a guy, and then fly out just as quick as i flew in
It's possible i also just didn't give it enough of a chance though.
I feel like Battlefront 2 was scaled back a minor amount from its predecessor to be better adaptable for ports (especially with the PS2 and PSP).
Not that Battlefront 2 doesn't have a lot to offer, in some elements more to offer in terms of maps, characters and modes but especially in the graphics and detail departments its lacking.
I will say this with Star Wars battlefront, one the sniper class and the in the bar mints from space was a bit overpowered. I love it, but even I can admit that with a well seasoned player on certain spots in Star Wars battlefront two you could win 98% of the time without that much help especially in Star Wars battlefront two when you’re the Empire imagine using that little droid on some of the harder levels and boom it suddenly breaks the game. I love it but I miss it.😂
Biggest diffrence in games was BF2(2006) on the xbox or steam have more maps than the PSP version
Curiosity how many hours u put into this game? And how many days a week?
if you hit them just right you could kill BF1 heroes by running them over with a speeder but it was very inconsistent. And of course someone else mentioned ledging them with explosives
Anyone played the PS2 version of this game online?
You could kill heroes if you landed on them with a ship, don't recall if they get permanently removed from the match or just respawn, probably the latter.
4:38 yeah when I played bf2 with my ex she was so happy there was a first person option since she only plays fps games
BF1 had a huge area of impact for vehicle cannons.Theres virtually no area of impact in BF2.You can't just shoot next to an enemy and send them flying like you could in the first
You were able to kill heroes in the first one. You had to run then over with the vehicles.
If you landed a ship on top of the jedi characters they could be killed.
Also on maps like Cloud City they could be blown off of the edge if i remember correctly.
2:45 I remember having to knock the heroes off a cliff to "kill" them. Pretty sure they would respawn after a while though.
You actually could kill the heroes in BF1 by ramming them with a full speed speeder bike or landing an aircraft on them
I played this game so much it’s literally in my DNA
I put HOURS into these games as kid loved every minute. Curse you Ben Pulastra my nemesis
BF1 on hard mode was ACTUALLY hard. BF2 elite mode was meh
You could kill heroes in BF1. Just bladt them off the bespin platforms
I just ran over the heroes in BF1 if speed bikes were available (Endor and Yavin temple)
You could kill heroes in BF1 by hitting them with a speeder bike or knocking them into a chasm.
Yoi could kill the heros in bf1
I did it alot
It just took a long time
Or by landing on them wich caused them to disappear then reappear i a different area
Starfighter air support and orbital strike were so good. BF1 also had a way better selection of maps than its predecessor.
i swear i killed a hero in BF1 with the ATTE on the snow level with the ice cave! just don’t stop blasting they will die
god BF2 classic needs a remaster, just add the maps from 1 and the cool features like air vehicles and id be good dont even need space to ground combat.
Bf1 was just so good in every way. Bf2 was a goodish step up but bf1 is the goat and if bf3 ever happens they have to make it on par with bf1
im sad they didnt added everything from bf 1 they should have just make bf2 like bf1 but add everything new and forge it with the old things
The heroes in BF1 could be killed if you landed a ship on them, I spent whole matches doing that on Bespin lmao
Soooo that's why they took out the prone in bf2 20005.humm interesting🤔
Why does battlefront 1 look so much better graphically or is it just me?
they didnt add ships for normal maps because due to the rework of aereal combat for the space battles the ships were to fast for normal maps, if you played mods you know what im refering to
One of my early memories was playing Battlefront 1 on the pc without my dad for the first time, not realising heroes were a thing, and then crying and screaming when mace window came charging towards me and not dying lol
If I remember it right in Battlefront 1 there is a way to kill the heroes. You need a Speederbike and ram them with it in full speed.
Dark trooper? Navy blue? Not even close! It's totally gray 😂
There’s an error in your video you can kill the heroes in bf1 on by running them over with ships or the hoth speeders though this is on ps2 I’m not sure of the other platforms
Hero characters could be ran over or landed on to take them out too, as well as the Sarlacc just straight up yoinking any of them that get too close!
In battlefront I did manage to kill dooku, I used one of the big blaster turrets on the platforms on one of the Bespin maps, blasted him off the edge