Motorcycle Training - IAM RoadSmart Intro with Stuart HAYTHORN part 1
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2019
- Not a single biker out there can't benefit from some form of motorcycle training, and I've been lucky enough to be given an IAM Roadsmart motorcycle course. This is the first of 2 vids covering my initial ride out with Stuart Haythorn, the area service delivery manager for South East England.
Sorry about Stuart's audio folks, he suffered a lot of wind noise that we didn't realise until I started editing the vids!
IAM Roadcraft is the motorcycle bible when it comes to how to ride a motorcycle safely. Roadcraft is the theory behind all police driver and rider training in the UK, based on IPSGA - Information, Position, Speed, Gear, Acceleration - it's a format of riding that will always ensure you are riding safely, and at a speed in which you can stop in the distance you can see to be clear.
After having a nightmare year back in 2017, I've been looking for some form of rider training that can be used in the real world, yet still allow me to enjoy being on the bike. The folks at IAM Roadsmart are a down to earth bunch, many are current or ex police riders themselves, so it seemed a good fit to go out with them.
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I am so grateful for my IAM training, I found it a tough challenging process but so rewarding- can’t wait to see your progress - you already looked smooth and confident well done :)
Well done sir, I’m 4 rides into my IAM with the guys from Forth Valley and absolutely loving it. Already I feel a better rider much smoother and really enjoying my riding even the town stuff. Looking forward to more of these thanks for putting them up and good luck. 👍🏍
Cheers Ian, glad you’re enjoying them 👍
Reminds me very much of the rider refinement course I’ve done with the Highlands Police. It was all about your line through the twistees. Looking forward to the next chapter. Keep it up Bruce. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Nice to see so many posts here from riders looking to further their learning and enjoyment. I joined IAM 3 years ago after riding for 25,, and now give something back as an observer. Nice vid Bruce
Cheers 👍
Some good educational stuff for us rookies here with this vid Bruce, never seen you ride so slowly, this guy tamed you a bit for sure. Well done and thank you!
Good vid Bruce. I’ve just completed my first observed ride with IAM and I’m really enjoying it. It’s a great system.
Really good video Bruce, I think everyone would benefit from some sort of training like this. Look forward to seeing part 2! 👍
Thanks Dave,
Roadcraft is a really beneficial thing to take on board. When I did my police driving course it was like someone had all of a sudden given me the instruction book on how to drive, it all made sense.
Well worth giving a go 👍
Great video- always wanted to do advanced on bike as did in car when 19. Inspired me to get on with it as just come back to riding after 6 years away.
Can’t wait for episode 2. 😉
Brilliant commentary from the IAM observer. Found it a bit of a refresher.
Brilliant, I've been riding for two years and only recently out in groups, it challenges my skills and following others helps to learn, great video, I'm a new subscriber to yourself (TMF follower) but love this so far 👍
Great video Bruce, there is a real art in talkung your way throigh the journey and describing your actions and observations.
Aye it feels weird to begin with doesn’t it, but I actually found on my police driving course that it helped me as I really had to think and vocalise what I was seeing, thinking and doing, and because I had to say all that it forced me to plan a lot further ahead 👍
Greetings from America. Hard to get used to you fellas riding on the wrong side of the road, but I manage. Very helpful video. Will be watching several times more to let these techniques really sink in. Well done Chaps, very much looking for round 2.
Thanks Bradley 👍
Cheers Bruce, I’ve shared on twitter. I signed up with sheffield IAM in 2012 & still ride with them today. Great system that works and believe me, some of the guys over 70 can show sports bike riders a thing or two 👍
Thanks bud👍
Very nice, looking forward to these videos 👌
Great video again Bruce and nice to see you promoting safer driving skills by riders who are in the UK at least, becoming the lesser number of users on the road network
This is a great video and gives the perfect insight into what to expect when starting out with advanced training. I’m planning to join I.A.M. this year, looking forward to it.
Brilliant commentary from the observer there too, thanks for sharing :) 👍
Pleasure bud, glad you enjoyed it and found it useful 👍
Nice one Mr Teapot, shared with my favourite biking group 👍
Did my IAM two years ago and I think it's helped my riding. Enjoy it.
Loving this. Someone once asked me if I found it hard to keep to the speed limit when learning. So clearly I can now. Going the long way around corners gives better vision. IAM riders aren't slow but can keep to the speed limit most of the times. Being smooth and safe actually makes you faster at the same time.
Are you enjoying it mate? I bet you are!!
Took my IAM test a few years back, best money I spent on biking, now a member of the Northumbria group. Great social side and loads of opportunities for further development...loads of GSs, and everything else too...
This was a great video Bruce. You might consider doing more riding skills and safety vids like this. They’re a great resource people will revisit. I recently did an NZ course (not IAM) and it reminded me to search back for your IAM vids
Cheers Gus, I was actually talking with Stuart the other day as the IAM want to make more vids 👍
Great Vid Bruce, I did a bikesafe a few years back and a bit with the IAM, made so much difference to my riding and enjoyment too. Copper on the Bikesafe said to me, "Best performance increase you can make is adjust the nut on the saddle".
Cheers Hartley 👍
Well worth doing. The Observers are great, they give up their time for free in pretty much all weathers using their own machines yet still have to pay £35 per annum to be in the IAM plus their local group subs. Seems easy enough on day one, it gets harder :)
Thank you. Very instructive. A lot of this I appear to do instinctively but picked up some good pointers.
I’m thinking of going for a refresher and joining my local group, passed IAM in 2002, it’s definitely kept me safe 👍
I am just about to start IAM course myself and luckily my riding school taught me the IPSGA throughout my lessons and it all makes good sense. Looking forward to first observed run which will be in the next couple of weeks.
I have my IAM test next week after a break so this is a timely reminder - nice one, thanks. My observer was a copper - it was great to borrow from his experience.
All the best with it Terry 👍
👍 Every day is a school day, always something new to learn. Great video
Thanks Tic, yep it’s true isn’t it 👍
Great video again t-pot. I’m started my observer training. Been let loose with my own associate this month. That’s with IAM Highly recommend the slow manoeuvring section. 👍
Thanks for putting this up T.P. I have just signed up for the course here in Somerset . this gives me a idea of what to expect on my first ride .
Very interesting.....thanks Bruce!
Hey Bruce - really interesting! Enjoyed that! Always wondered what a IAM session would consist of...good stuff!
Thanks lads, it does depend on what type of instructor/observer you get, as it can be a clash of personalities and riding styles for sure.
But if you get one that suits, I certainly think it’s something worth doing for some 👍
I've watched a couple of channels for most if not all the road work. I'd love to work out the timing and come over there to take the courses myself. I've heard there is a similar 'course' near me, maybe not as organized, but similar. Always good to learn something new, even a reminder.
You're so right about your speed, what you're used to 😂 smooth, control and roll, well done TP 👍🏽
Another good video , it's been years since I did my advanced riding with IAM and RoSPA, maybe it's time for me to polish up on my skills.well worth it as I have never come of my motorbike since I started riding back in 2000
Not a prior subscriber I just viewed this IAM intro parts 1 & 2 from 2019 on back of YT suggested autoplay ...My 1st impressions were....this guy (you) are riding well for an intro session. (Stuart seemed superb & a good & communicator also)
I since found your other channel content...No wonder you can ride well you have ridden around the world !
Curious to know if you ever found time to follow through, (so to speak), with IAM Roadsmart.
Thanks for sharing - Now subscribed
Happy New Year for 2022.
Great vid TP. (again). The important point made by Stuart is not to learn this stuff as a set of mandated instructions. See it more as set of guidelines to be applied as demanded by the continually changing situation and always regard it as an opportunity for continuous learning.
Done my advanced last year and on the same roads too lol. Great video as always Bruce :)
Good to look at and find out what you do right and wrong riding
No one is to old to learn Bruce. Great vid bud
Thanks Gary 👍
I think ALL drivers should be required to take one of these courses. I am an IAM member, having taken (and passing) the car course 20 odd years ago, and the I.P.S.G.A. system is a lifesaver even more relevant to bikers.
Really cool insight Bruce! I need to get this done this year
Thanks Terry,
Honestly mate, it’s well worth giving a go 👍
Good stuff TP one...I know those roads around Loomies well, and it was good see the IAM's riding advice. Most of it is instinctive...but you never stop learning. I thought the camera was shaking at one point but then I realised it was your throttle hand twitching....!! Steve
Much of this is common sense but there is also a huge amount to be learned. I learned and very much enjoyed the video. Thank you.
Great stuff Kevin, that’s good to hear.
Glad you enjoyed it bud 👍
I have the Motorcycle Roadcraft book and it's really good to review once in a while. This IAM course should be mandatory for all bikers.. HIghly recommended.. Thanks!
Do you not think it's hard enough with the current ridiculous age limits they have on taking a bike test that adding more mandatory crap to it isn't the way to go?
I agree the age limits are a bit archaic, but this isn’t mandatory crap Rob. The theory here is sound and it WILL make you safer and FASTER overall.
@@teapotone the mandatory quote came as a response to one of the other comments left saying it should be, as far as saying it WILL make everyone a better and faster rider thats just not true, some people need the extra help and if thats what they need then that's up to them to seek it, it's the attitude from the IAM and other groups riders that they are a cut above the rest, some of us can hold our own against the best if others with a natural given style of riding and adapting to the surroundings and conditions given, you don't need to be Rossi to be fast or take a course I'll happily ride with anyone on my Gs to prove that point,
Brucie I thought you were a sound rider anyway pal ..I've often questioned myself about doing one of these courses .but!!!after28years on road being amex despatch rider in your pond I find it hard what I could benefit from this course . Did you need reaffirming ..just asking pal as I thought about it with roadcraft
I’ve suffered some confidence issues with my riding after having 3 accidents in 2016-2017. I couldn’t help wonder if it was partly my fault, plus I just wasn’t feeling as confident on the bike anymore, so thought I’d give the IAM a go. At the very least it’s a recognisable qualification for when I’m getting insurance on the bike.
The training is a lot slower speedwise than I’m used to, but there are already little hints and tips that are helping my riding.
I’m happy to give it a go and see how I get on 👍
Embarking on IAM myself this year :)
There's a series of vids on here I watched from a guy who returned to biking after an almost 40-year gap and bought a GS1200 (mad??) and did the IAM course. I got a lot out of them as I will from your videos due to my lack of 2 wheel experience. The cornering, extending the view, was very useful and has made me turn in later rather than looking for the apex. Nearly all bends here are blind because the jungle comes right down to the roadside and given that 90% of Thais are incapable of going round a bend without cutting it on the wrong side of the road it's the most hazardous aspect of riding here. Looking forward to the rest of these videos assuming you are doing more.
Hi Ian,
Thanks for that, yes there is part 2 of this vid coming next week, plus I’ll be undertaking the full course whenever I can fit it in 👍
That's me. Guilty your honour, I'll come quietly. I've got a full boxed set of my whole course including the exam on Back2TheBike. Please don't laugh at my early videos.
When I can ride my bike again. Ie when I have my licence back I will have to do IAM. you have convinced me!
Great video! I signed up back in March 2020 so I can ride fit the blood bikes but also to better my riding and to be more safer. Finally got my first observed ride next Friday 2nd October travelling down from oban to Balloch . Better get reading my handbook in preparation 👍
Great to see so many positive comments, another great video.
Great vid and advise TP. Road positioning is Key to a smooth progressive ride. So many riders think they can ride like Rossi but really there ability is only like Rosie.
Couldn't agree more. Dress like Rossi ride like Rosie.
I am called Rosie and my riding is pretty good
Well done Bruce-great location (Loomies👍🏻) and IAM course. Maybe as a suggestion for your next Morocco group ride, all the riders should have their IAM as well!
Don’t think I’ll be doing another Morocco trip, Toro Adventure wasn’t too happy about the last one 😬
Nice one Bruce, as you say we can all be better safer riders with a bit of help. Well worth doing👍
Wish we had something like that in the states. Great video learned something.
Funny you say that, a mate of mine has recently moved to Florida and is looking into starting Advanced rider training courses over there
Kryten L it is needed . It’s amazing how ez it is for a first time rider to get a license and jump on a liter bike with know knowledge at all . Just because u can do something doesn’t mean u should. We need laws that state cc requirements for first time riders ,but don’t . At least maybe we can get some advanced training programs with valuable critiquing of ones riding ,judgment , & skills. Your friend can do very well here I think .
Nice, found this by chance. No IAM here. I bought and read the roadcraft book not long after, my last bike. Id forgotten the mnemonics. It is mostly common sense. which of course isn't common. Nice to see it put into practice and nice to see an experienced rider taking a training course. Don't know if I would actually behave myself quite so well. when not being watched.
Just got myself a new bigger bike. Just seams sensible to spend a little bit of time nd effort learning how to ride it better.
Looks good, got my first session in a couple of weeks. 👍
Which club are you doing it with bud?
Its been a few years since I did IAM, I forgot how involved it is. Will be doing RoSPA later on this year when I get my next bike, see how they work, which I assume is very similar
Informative video TP. We can all learn new things. So, what did we learn?
That you only perked up when someone mentioned beer 🍺.
Cheers.
Ha Ha 🤣👍
East Meon - lovely roads, thought I recognised them!
I'm 25, going to do all the training I can this year. I want to be an old man on my Vulcan S one day, I don't want to die on my bike, and even more crucially I don't want my pillion to get hurt. Got hit by a drunk driver... It was completely her fault and she was convicted but there is always a way to make the outcome better with experience. If I had known the limits of my machine, anticipated better... Its not easy riding a motorcycle well and safely. Although I have no problem with speed limits... I'm a slow poke. I'd be taking this training to learn how to speed up my cornering, I still tuck in on country roads at night to let locals overtake me. I'd like to know if I'm being too cautious or what the right thing to do is - all I know is at night on unfamiliar Country roads I won't be pushed into going as fast as locals want me to so I just find a space to pull in and let them pass rather than rear end me. Inevitably catch up to them later.
You inspired me Bruce, I have just signed up for the IAM course!
Great stuff Ray, hope you enjoy it bud 👍
Love it Bruce am learning awe the time
Handled perfectly Bruce 😎
Just a few comments based on my own experience:
The ability to analyse your own decision making is very important and then listening to constructive criticism from someone else is really helpful. A big ego gets in the way. If you think your trainer isn't right for you then find someone else who you feel comfortable with -- I had an uninspiring first experience before finding first rate support.
I don't think becoming a better rider ever brings it to the level of being automatic. I reckon it's about being more conscious more of the time and applying what you know to what you come up against on the road. I don't think there is a "common sense" consensus so I'll go with ongoing learning until I come a cropper!
I first fell off a BSA Bantam off road when I was about nine years old and I finally decided to go back and learn a bit more at the age of fifty nine. I am enjoying my riding more than ever.
Thanks for the vid and I look forward to more instalments.
Nice one bud, probably different to what you are used to, but very educational. I've done some of these tours myself, maybe I should use the info that I once learnt, or do another course. LOL
24K wow congratulations Bruce, hope to see you some time this year 👍😉
Cheers Gaz 👍
Looking to do IAM this year after doing several Bike Safe events.
I see the tmf white van was giving you a visit , is he in on the course Bruce?😁..enjoyed the vid, nice smooth riding.
Interesting. I was VERY surprised by 13.45 - actually recommending crossing the broken line. Didn't think that was kosher.
Great vid, this is definitely something on my list to do. We're always learning and there's nothing wrong with a little extra training...
Cracking bit of vid Bruce. I reckon I would benefit from a course like this as I have become a bit tail end charly.
Thanks Paul,
Worth checking out your local IAM club then and popping along for a meet 👍
Great advice :)
Thanks for English subtitle 👍👏🙏
Just what I need to do I will get there adventaly
now you have joined THE CLAN :)
I’ve done the observer course
Definitely opens your eyes 👀
I really need to do IAM or at the very least, BikeSafe. Loomies is my local, hope to bump into your one day Bruce!
Nice one Dan, will see you there one day then 👍
Passed the IAM Car and Bike courses great real world Knowledge
nice to see you finally going for it, surprised you had not done it before? with regards to where you work? have you done the traffic dept bike safe course?
No Jon, but I’ve got a job bike course coming up soon 👍
you need to get your new mate richyvida (and his clan) doing these courses?
looks like most of this stuff was already in the mandatory lessons i did when i took my bike licence here in Norway :-) and it apparantly stuck since im doing it without thinking about it now :-P
Great !!!
Great vlog, If I was in the UK I reckon I would give it a go. I can't not comment on a line I never expected to hear on a teapot one vlog "you're going a bit slow" Has to be a first.
Ha Ha, yeah I know.... but you should see what I had to leave on the cutting room floor 😉👍
I would love to do this course. This video has helped me alot. I'll use the techniques when on me lil 125 lol 😂
Nice one Matt, honestly mate the system can be out in place no matter what you ride or drive, it really will improve your riding and make you safer AND quicker overall 👍
Another great vid Bruce. Just one query, having done my RoSPA (Gold!!!!) a couple of years ago, they said that they no longer recommended crossing the white line (13:50) It's never required unless in an emergency or avoidance situation so I'm surprised that Iam still promote it.
I doubt they still do Ian tbh, perhaps was a slight oversight 👍
@@teapotone can't see a problem with it personally - in the right circumstances.
I’m of the same opinion bud, if it’s safe then it’s on 👍
Are you already a solo mate? If so well done for doing this for people to see.
Nice job welcome to the club Bruce itbecomes habit and when your making progress at your normal speeds you will like it Evan more enjoy it 👍👍
Completely endorse IAM Roadsmart training. Bit surprised that a Police Class 1 rider is seeking instruction/refresher - but good on you - and also wondering why the instructor has jazz hands at the beginning of the ride ;-)
great instruction not patronizing like some instrutors ive had tumbs up !
Thanks William, aye Stuart is top notch 👍
Early on i thought "christ, i went faster in my L plate days" but as the roads got smaller i could see the system working. I am still in two minds though i intend to do some advanced training this year of some sort as the wife has a taste now for long summer trips.
It took a bit of getting used to I must admit, as I usually ride in a more ‘spirited’ fashion.
Even though I’m already a police trained driver, this still taught me new hints and tips to apply to my riding.
Definitely worth giving a go 👍
Great vid buddy, just a heads up, spelling mistake with Roadsmart in title 😜
Thanks brother, sorted now cheers 🙏👍
You're very fortunate to be assigned Stuart who almost certainly would have been a PAdv Instructor such is his lofty position within the IAM. Candidates enrolling on the Master Programme won't always get this level of expertise - you're a lucky chap ;) Just a wee and perhaps to most a pedantic observation... Stuart's positioning in his demo run to the solid white line is a little close and looks untidy to boot. Technically although his wheels weren't kissing the solid white line, it's very possible the right side bar and mirror may have been on or slightly over the line - an actual infringement and not to be copied on test perhaps. Many IAM/Rospa riders tend to needlessly adopt these extreme positions. At 14:07 Stuart encourages an extreme position to the crown of the road despite having a significantly distant limit point and nothing coming towards. Were a small vehicle (for arguments sake) come into view towards, Stuart would eventually and in good time re-position to maybe (circumstances depending) the centre of your lane. An awareness of lane width for positioning is a key consideration for being anticipative and therefore efficient. Given the the situation at 14:07 and the advice Stuart gives, I would counter argue a position somewhere between yours and his would have been the most efficient and hence requiring less lateral lane movement for the aforementioned scenario. I'll concede it's just inches but attaining riding efficiency (aka Quiet Efficiency) through logical thinking will improve you quickly.
Did a roadsafe course and got details of iam after but haven't got round to sorting it out, course would work out at £84 with help from Dorset county council .
Well worth doing Simon 👍
@@teapotone something for the lighter evening that are on the way for sure 👍
Having done IAM in the car and Police driving a lot of the stuff as you said now comes naturally however every day is a school day. Interested to see next episode with some really twisty twisty bits. Do you find it awkward riding when you know someone is going to comment or critique your style etc? I am initially uncomfortable with it but once i forget they are there its all good.
I’m a bit of a control freak tbh so it’s hard to have anyone tell me how to do something! 🤣
But as long as I understand why you need to do something a particular way or style, and it actually improves my riding/driving them I’m all good. 👍
@@teapotone Absolutely Bruce. Yeah think im the same not a fan of criticism, i take the points on board and try to apply them if i need/ want to but i wouldnt say i enjoy the process.
I only recently passed my mod 2, would it be worth me doing iam or waiting until I’ve got a year or two under my belt?
Personally I’d wait, but definitely do a Bikesafe course as soon as you can
@@teapotone that’s what I was thinking, as if I did it now, I wouldn’t get the most out of it
Good to see Stu, appears to be in rude health ! Bruce you’ll soon be a riding god 🤣🏍🏍🤣
How far does this differ from the way the Police teach the system?... Also how many miles are you averaging each year with regular riding and the tours etc. Regards
Hi Trini, I generally do around 25,000 - 40,000 miles a year, predominantly around the U.K. and Europe.
The IAM system follows the police system closely, but with the police we are trained at far higher speeds and in much more demanding situations, such as through high traffic, and built up areas.
@@teapotone Thanks fella, the last few seasons I have been self teaching advanced riding techniques and it certainly makes roads you do not know far easier and safer, think it is about time I got a certificate so will hopefully complete a course this year.. Out of interest what company are you doing tours with this year?. I fancy Morocco but with my own bike.. Regards
I’m only touring with ChickenStrips this year to Spain, I’m not doing Morocco - don’t think Toro Adventure appreciated the vids of last years trip! 😬
I did the IAM and I think it's a really good course. One thing I noticed (petty I know!!) is how close Stuart rode to the double white lines. I had always been told to imagine they are a brick wall, no part of the bike can cross them. Very few people consider they are breaking the law so long as their wheels don't cross them...... I'm probably still guilty though!! Great to see you promoting the course by doing it, I hope you find it useful, I did.
Neil, a serious question. Does the constant changing of your position on the road, cause uncertainty for vehicles behind? (Regarding overtaking etc.)
Thanks.
Stuart is ex-Police and we are taught to use ALL available road when safe to do so. It’s a bit different in a civilian environment I admit, but there’s nothing wrong with using all of your lane 👍
It shouldn’t no. I always use all the road and as far as I’m aware it’s not had any detrimental effect?
@@teapotone thanks Bruce.
@@rumien1383 The movements are smooth and I don't think cause concern. Would/did you feel they are? Hopefully not 😉
which helmet cam are you using there Teapot?
Interesting 👍.
It will take some practice to make it second nature I guess.
I started ROSPA a couple of years ago, knocked it on its head they seemed to be up themselves. IAM might be a better choice for the future.
Hi Paul try it I thought it was all fudy dudy’s ect far from it and it does help one day it may Evan save our lives and we all want to go home after a fun ride out after all 👍
Sadly Paul I have to agree. Even those of us that have been doing it for over fifty years do not know it all but do I need someone following me assessing my riding and criticising my decisions which I may have made a nano second before or after they did. Definitely not. And I certainly am not worried about having a piece of paper stating what a great rider I am. Sadly I knew an IAM instructor that got killed on his bike and he certainly was a good rider so it can happen to anyone. Might be boring but my advice is ride defensively and within your capabilities within the speed limits. Honestly its still fun.
Purely depends on the group you join and the instructor\ observer teaching you - some are up their own chuffs and others are just cool passionate bikers wanting to pass on knowledge to other riders.
@@krytenLister Fair comment Kryten L
@@2wheelsrbest327 but how do you know? 50yrs is a long time in which to establish bad habits. You may be a great rider or you may not. Take an assessment ride with an advanced group. If their observer thinks you are spot on they will pat you o the back and shake your hand. If not they will point out in a friendly manner where you may be able to improve. Give it a go before you knock it.
When you observe the 30mph limits it can seem very slow in some areas and traffic behind can get very annoyed at you