@@kenyattaclay7666 No you can’t it gives you a limited selection of games you can choose, not to mention you can’t watch TNF unless you have Amazon, no Christmas games unless you have Netflix. Any games that are on a streaming site exclusive you can’t watch
No you can’t currently watch every game you USED to be able to. Last year playoff game KC Miami was ONLY on Peacock This year game in Brazil is ONLY on Peacock and both Christmas games are ONLY on Netflix
How does it affect me??? Easy I pay for the NFL Ticket I expect not to have to have Netflix or Peacock to watch a game. Is that simple enough. Look if they want to put these games on other platforms for people to watch fine, but these games should NOT BE EXCLUSIVE and removed from NFL TICKET
It’s ironic that all this streaming was made popular because it gave you a reason to get rid of cable cuz of all the stuff you were paying for but not watching…but all these streaming services did was just replace cable as paying for a bunch of sht you don’t watch
Two things, first, it's still significantly cheaper by slightly more than half of what cable cost. RUclips TV is $73 a month with no contracts and the average cable bill for just TV is $150 with a contract, that's why people cancel cable. Second, this is why Fubo's lawsuit against the new sports streaming service is significantly more important than this lawsuit. You see, no matter if it's cable or a streaming service like Fubo or RUclips TV networks like Disney, Fox Sports and Time Warner tell them the only way you can carry channel A is if you also carry channels B through G. Fubo is suing to try and force the networks into not forcing them to carry these other channels that they don't want. The reason why you have all those channels you don't want isn't because of the TV providers, it's because of the owners of the networks.
@@kenyattaclay7666 I watch RUclips for free and my total for streaming services (Netflix and the HBO deal) is less than $30 per month. I get to watch every game my team (Buffalo) plays and if there is a game withheld because of an "exclusive", I listen on the radio. Being led around by the nose by Billionaires, is a game I refuse to play.
I was waiting for national media to pickup on this case. Been following it for awhile. I could type out a thesis about this situation, as a fan who tries to follow a team in another state and almost paying a thousand dollars...just to watch games here and there. Then there's black out rules...after you've paid for the subscription or ticket to watch. It's a mess. It should be negotiated by the teams to have their own coverage. I know what you're saying Mike, that the "lesser" teams would suffer, but that creates competition. It forces those lesser teams to hire better GMs, coaches, and if the situation dictates, force owners to either sell their team, or remove certain owners in owners groups. They want money, and we want to give them money but a fair amount with no strings attached!
Couldn’t have said it any better. It’ll force the lesser teams to move diligently to get their fans to want to pay to watch. No more having the safety net of the league wide tv deal & you get to just put out whatever BS you want on the field
I doubt it when have you seen anything get better or cheaper. People ditched cable and internet streaming is now just as expensive if not more then cable was.
Class action lawsuits are the most successful because it aligns people having a common grievance….which is why the Supreme Court has limited its potency because oligopolies loathe it!
@@dannyquilter8366 They have exclusive rights to make an NFL game and they've been making terrible games for years now. So you'd stop the exclusivity. That's how that would work.
@@alexmalt terrible games is a subjective opinion that you can't possibly prove up to a proper standard in court. You can't just rock up and say "your honour, we all think this game js shit". If that was case everyone would be getting sued left and right
Its BS that we can’t pay to watch OUR TEAM instead of the whole damn package. I don’t want all them dang games…who has time for that. Charge 1/3 of the current price for 1 team and perhaps a lil more for a 2nd since many households are divided. This would be an EVERY GAME no matter where they play, stream live, watch later etc. deal with individuals and give US the purchasing power. And if you ain’t got enough fans to cover the cost PLUS, then you aren’t doing something right.
I don't want the sunday ticket. What I want is the ability to pay to watch ONE game at a reasonable price. There are many days when I don't like the games available in my market and I'd rather watch a different one. But I'm not going to pay the ridiculous price of sunday ticket because I don't need or want EVERY game. I just want to pay 10 bucks now and then to tune into a single game. That's 5 times the price of what a single game costs on sunday ticket if I were to watch all 272 games. That seems more than fair to me.
My fear is that this will result in the games not being exclusive to Fox and CBS and we end up with games on Bally Sports or NESN etc. Teams selling their own rights results in what we see with MLB and NBA. A mess. Not to mention blackout chaos. Keeping them on 2 networks results in high quality production of every game.
Everyone would buy a package of all their team’s games. Like season tickets, but streaming . Seems as though some financial wizard could figure out how to make that work for all parties.
Apple and ESPN had offers to the nfl for Sunday ticket that included plans like you said. The espn one even had a suggested price of $70 for one teams entire seasons of games. ESPN and apples pitch was that the sheer increase in customers would compensate for the reduced price. The nfl said no. They wanted to keep it a premium price and weren’t interested in growing subscription numbers as they were in maintaining the “premium product pricing”
I've had the Sunday Ticket since the late 90's and don't feel I've been ripped off. I've enjoyed it. Can it be better? Yes. Do I want it cheaper? Of course. That doesn't mean I have damages.
@@MCPrimetime naw man. I live in Thailand. 🇹🇭 I tried 3 different VPNs and none of them worked. IPVanish, Express VPN and the cheap one that apple uses on their devices. None of them worked with RUclips TV. They work fine with Amazon Prime and Hulu. But RUclips TV said nope. 👎🏾
Your NFL subscription is actually better and cheaper than the USA Sunday Ticket option. Get on the internet and search for DAZN. The NFL used to provide this service themselves… now outsourced it to DAZN. I subscribed last season and it worked fine for me.
What people don’t understand. After this lawsuit you will then have to pay per game. They will probably charge around $10 per game. So because of this lawsuit things are about to get a lot more expensive for fans that want to watch a lot of football. And $10 will just be the starting price. In a few years it will be up to $15 to $20 per game.
This actually isn't the sports related lawsuit that at the end of the day will amount to much of anything. I do have some antitrust experience and one of the first things I had to read (and know) were the antitrust exemptions that MLB has and the case that gave them that exemption and the limited exemptions that the other pro leagues have. This is not a clearcut antitrust violation because of that 1961 exemption and could go either way. However the important lawsuit that everyone should be paying attention to is Fubo's lawsuit against the new Venu streaming service put together by ESPN, Fox and Time Warner. To me this is as clear an antitrust violation as the NCAA's rules were against NIL and paying players. If Fubo should win or the DOJ goes forward with their lawsuit live sports can finally be broken off from the rest of live TV and prices will come down.
And it will end up being more expensive in the end, watch. They never make things cheaper. I would like to see the single team option but I am sure that will be just as expensive.
I had NFL Sunday Ticket since 1997. Last year was the 1st year I didn't have it. Too much this game is on this place....this game on another that I don't have. I was done with it.
I had it from the very first year and thinking of dropping it. I hate the RUclips version and hate having to switch imputs to watch local games or Sunday Ticket Games. It was a lot simpler when everything was on Direct TV.
I have been getting NFL package since I retired from the Army in 2010 so that I can watch my Steelers now that I live in the midwest. I loved it on Direct tv but now on RUclips TV it has gone down hill for sure. The streaming was so sketchy at times you couldnt watch the games at all. It was like back to dial up crap from 25 years ago. There should be something for us to get our money back for services not rendered. Now also them making it mandatory to pay for other packages when all we want is the games. Just the rich getting richer off the backs of the average man.
I had Sunday Ticket on the cable company for about $100 a year 10 years ago or so. Now it's RUclips and $350+ with restrictions and some games on other non inclusive sites. Put it in a simple form, a lower price, and let the broadcast server identify themselves discreetly.
Well the problem here isn't even the method of product delivery it's price fixing. It is alleged, and there is some evidence, the Networks like CBS, NBC, and FOX, worked a deal with the NFL to keep Sunday Ticket prices artificially high so more people wouldn't buy and would watch the games on the networks. ESPN at one point wanted to charge only $70 and offer a team by team option, but the NFL tanked it on behalf of the networks because the networks worried too many people would go to Sunday Ticket
You should shout out some of the University of San Francisco professors involved in the suit. Dan Rascher and Derek Howard Secondly, to charge all of us $300 to watch “every game” is WAY too much.
I watch whats free over the air or on my streaming cable tv that I already have. I will buy nothing extra and I make it a point not to buy any products advertised during games. I'm hanging on by a thread because I'm pissed and I'm just about done with this money grubbing league.
If we pay for Sunday ticket we should be able to watch every game and not some of them
If you pay for Sunday Ticket you can watch every game.
@@kenyattaclay7666 No you can’t it gives you a limited selection of games you can choose, not to mention you can’t watch TNF unless you have Amazon, no Christmas games unless you have Netflix. Any games that are on a streaming site exclusive you can’t watch
Yeah, I was pissed when I found out games were “blacked out” on Sundays. Why am I paying $350 for all the garbage games???
No you can’t currently watch every game you USED to be able to. Last year playoff game KC Miami was ONLY on Peacock This year game in Brazil is ONLY on Peacock and both Christmas games are ONLY on Netflix
@@kenyattaclay7666 Nope. You don't get Sunday Night Football.
How does it affect me??? Easy I pay for the NFL Ticket I expect not to have to have Netflix or Peacock to watch a game. Is that simple enough. Look if they want to put these games on other platforms for people to watch fine, but these games should NOT BE EXCLUSIVE and removed from NFL TICKET
Yep, it's nuts how many people I see just being like 'oh I'll buy whatever the NFL tells me'
Bingo. They’re driving people to black market options, and it’s due to product/availability, not price.
That would make me a lot happier!
You’re fine with the NFL putting games on Netflix or Hulu etc as exclusive games and would want those games taken off NFL Sunday Ticket? Explain.
It’s ironic that all this streaming was made popular because it gave you a reason to get rid of cable cuz of all the stuff you were paying for but not watching…but all these streaming services did was just replace cable as paying for a bunch of sht you don’t watch
Two things, first, it's still significantly cheaper by slightly more than half of what cable cost. RUclips TV is $73 a month with no contracts and the average cable bill for just TV is $150 with a contract, that's why people cancel cable.
Second, this is why Fubo's lawsuit against the new sports streaming service is significantly more important than this lawsuit. You see, no matter if it's cable or a streaming service like Fubo or RUclips TV networks like Disney, Fox Sports and Time Warner tell them the only way you can carry channel A is if you also carry channels B through G. Fubo is suing to try and force the networks into not forcing them to carry these other channels that they don't want. The reason why you have all those channels you don't want isn't because of the TV providers, it's because of the owners of the networks.
@@kenyattaclay7666
I watch RUclips for free and my total for streaming services (Netflix and the HBO deal) is less than $30 per month. I get to watch every game my team (Buffalo) plays and if there is a game withheld because of an "exclusive", I listen on the radio.
Being led around by the nose by Billionaires, is a game I refuse to play.
I was waiting for national media to pickup on this case. Been following it for awhile. I could type out a thesis about this situation, as a fan who tries to follow a team in another state and almost paying a thousand dollars...just to watch games here and there. Then there's black out rules...after you've paid for the subscription or ticket to watch. It's a mess. It should be negotiated by the teams to have their own coverage. I know what you're saying Mike, that the "lesser" teams would suffer, but that creates competition. It forces those lesser teams to hire better GMs, coaches, and if the situation dictates, force owners to either sell their team, or remove certain owners in owners groups. They want money, and we want to give them money but a fair amount with no strings attached!
I agree. It’s kind of insane to think that I can’t “pay” for a subscription to watch ANY game by a specific team.
Couldn’t have said it any better. It’ll force the lesser teams to move diligently to get their fans to want to pay to watch. No more having the safety net of the league wide tv deal & you get to just put out whatever BS you want on the field
I have been paying for Sunday Tickets for about 7 years now, hopefully things change for the better... Thank you Mike Florio...
I doubt it when have you seen anything get better or cheaper. People ditched cable and internet streaming is now just as expensive if not more then cable was.
Class action lawsuits are the most successful because it aligns people having a common grievance….which is why the Supreme Court has limited its potency because oligopolies loathe it!
Wish they'd sue over Madden too.
Waiting for gamers to unite on that. Unfortunately, with the way ppl keep buying that game and the DLC, I'm not sure when it will happen.
How would you even do that. On what grounds? "Football based game continues to be football based game"
Yes!!!
Bring back NFL Blitz!!!!
@@dannyquilter8366 They have exclusive rights to make an NFL game and they've been making terrible games for years now. So you'd stop the exclusivity. That's how that would work.
@@alexmalt terrible games is a subjective opinion that you can't possibly prove up to a proper standard in court. You can't just rock up and say "your honour, we all think this game js shit". If that was case everyone would be getting sued left and right
I stopped buying it 3yrs ago, too expensive, and wasn't broadcasting all games
Its BS that we can’t pay to watch OUR TEAM instead of the whole damn package. I don’t want all them dang games…who has time for that. Charge 1/3 of the current price for 1 team and perhaps a lil more for a 2nd since many households are divided. This would be an EVERY GAME no matter where they play, stream live, watch later etc. deal with individuals and give US the purchasing power. And if you ain’t got enough fans to cover the cost PLUS, then you aren’t doing something right.
That’s a great idea, I like that, great post!
This is a great idea!
@@DeanHenry-hm9bdyou can watch only your favorite team with MLB TV. So it’s absolutely do able
@@bcurobinson ok, sounds good, thank you for the information.
Since its a good idea it will absolutely never happen @@DeanHenry-hm9bd
The price for the Sunday ticket this year went up, and we don't get all the games? I'm wondering if it's worth it anymore.
I don't want the sunday ticket. What I want is the ability to pay to watch ONE game at a reasonable price. There are many days when I don't like the games available in my market and I'd rather watch a different one. But I'm not going to pay the ridiculous price of sunday ticket because I don't need or want EVERY game. I just want to pay 10 bucks now and then to tune into a single game. That's 5 times the price of what a single game costs on sunday ticket if I were to watch all 272 games. That seems more than fair to me.
Anyone who still buys NFL Ticket is a fool.
Explain.
Enjoy whatever your local channels pick for you to watch.
Yo ho ho
I would be nice if you we able to purchase the Sunday Ticket for the day, for those who can’t afford it for the whole season.
Sunday ticket is the biggest ripoff in sports. I just watch the replays on RUclips. Doesn't cost an arm or a leg.
My fear is that this will result in the games not being exclusive to Fox and CBS and we end up with games on Bally Sports or NESN etc. Teams selling their own rights results in what we see with MLB and NBA. A mess. Not to mention blackout chaos. Keeping them on 2 networks results in high quality production of every game.
5:58 still has not said why this is happening, get to the point!!
Bro, am i the only feels like im just now hearing about this lawsuit?
No this is the 1st time I'm hearing about it.... but I live at work 😆
Right, bro
Everyone would buy a package of all their team’s games. Like season tickets, but streaming . Seems as though some financial wizard could figure out how to make that work for all parties.
You can sell it worldwide
Apple and ESPN had offers to the nfl for Sunday ticket that included plans like you said. The espn one even had a suggested price of $70 for one teams entire seasons of games. ESPN and apples pitch was that the sheer increase in customers would compensate for the reduced price. The nfl said no. They wanted to keep it a premium price and weren’t interested in growing subscription numbers as they were in maintaining the “premium product pricing”
I've had the Sunday Ticket since the late 90's and don't feel I've been ripped off. I've enjoyed it. Can it be better? Yes. Do I want it cheaper? Of course. That doesn't mean I have damages.
I hate that I can’t watch Sunday ticket games because I live abroad. That’s some BS.
VPN is usually the answer. But I know that's silly. RUclips is international so should this .
@@MCPrimetime naw man. I live in Thailand. 🇹🇭 I tried 3 different VPNs and none of them worked. IPVanish, Express VPN and the cheap one that apple uses on their devices. None of them worked with RUclips TV. They work fine with Amazon Prime and Hulu. But RUclips TV said nope. 👎🏾
NFL game pass international is Sunday ticket for overseas people. We have had it since we moved to london. Google nflgamepass.
DAZN streams the NFL Gamepass for $280 Australian Dollars. Year round coverage All Games live or replay. Watch when you want.
Your NFL subscription is actually better and cheaper than the USA Sunday Ticket option. Get on the internet and search for DAZN. The NFL used to provide this service themselves… now outsourced it to DAZN. I subscribed last season and it worked fine for me.
What people don’t understand. After this lawsuit you will then have to pay per game. They will probably charge around $10 per game. So because of this lawsuit things are about to get a lot more expensive for fans that want to watch a lot of football. And $10 will just be the starting price. In a few years it will be up to $15 to $20 per game.
Exactly when have you known anything to get cheaper ?
@@scotttild that’s exactly my point.
Great breakdown, Mike. Thank you!
These are the kind of stories where I really value Mikes insight,
This actually isn't the sports related lawsuit that at the end of the day will amount to much of anything. I do have some antitrust experience and one of the first things I had to read (and know) were the antitrust exemptions that MLB has and the case that gave them that exemption and the limited exemptions that the other pro leagues have. This is not a clearcut antitrust violation because of that 1961 exemption and could go either way.
However the important lawsuit that everyone should be paying attention to is Fubo's lawsuit against the new Venu streaming service put together by ESPN, Fox and Time Warner. To me this is as clear an antitrust violation as the NCAA's rules were against NIL and paying players. If Fubo should win or the DOJ goes forward with their lawsuit live sports can finally be broken off from the rest of live TV and prices will come down.
And it will end up being more expensive in the end, watch. They never make things cheaper. I would like to see the single team option but I am sure that will be just as expensive.
I’ll walk away from the nfl as a fan if I have to pay several platforms in order to watch a season…….
I bought it to watch the Ravens play. I saw most of them. But not all. Which was BS since I played a good amount buying into it.
I had NFL Sunday Ticket since 1997. Last year was the 1st year I didn't have it. Too much this game is on this place....this game on another that I don't have. I was done with it.
Same here! I had NFL ticket the same time frame and last year I gave it up.
@@newt6639 👍😁👍
I had it from the very first year and thinking of dropping it. I hate the RUclips version and hate having to switch imputs to watch local games or Sunday Ticket Games. It was a lot simpler when everything was on Direct TV.
@@scotttild I hear You👍
I have been getting NFL package since I retired from the Army in 2010 so that I can watch my Steelers now that I live in the midwest. I loved it on Direct tv but now on RUclips TV it has gone down hill for sure. The streaming was so sketchy at times you couldnt watch the games at all. It was like back to dial up crap from 25 years ago. There should be something for us to get our money back for services not rendered. Now also them making it mandatory to pay for other packages when all we want is the games. Just the rich getting richer off the backs of the average man.
I had Sunday Ticket on the cable company for about $100 a year 10 years ago or so. Now it's RUclips and $350+ with restrictions and some games on other non inclusive sites. Put it in a simple form, a lower price, and let the broadcast server identify themselves discreetly.
You could not have unless it was bootlege version because it was only avalable on Direct TV from the start it was never on cable.
Well the problem here isn't even the method of product delivery it's price fixing. It is alleged, and there is some evidence, the Networks like CBS, NBC, and FOX, worked a deal with the NFL to keep Sunday Ticket prices artificially high so more people wouldn't buy and would watch the games on the networks. ESPN at one point wanted to charge only $70 and offer a team by team option, but the NFL tanked it on behalf of the networks because the networks worried too many people would go to Sunday Ticket
I mean it from the bottom of my heart thank God for the people who started this class action lawsuit.
Who is the small fanbase team he was talking about
Chargers?
Jacksonville because florio hates the jags
Carolina. Jacksonville.
You should shout out some of the University of San Francisco professors involved in the suit. Dan Rascher and Derek Howard
Secondly, to charge all of us $300 to watch “every game” is WAY too much.
The nba pass gave me the same feeling 💯
Red Zone you see every score and it's much cheaper.
I watch whats free over the air or on my streaming cable tv that I already have. I will buy nothing extra and I make it a point not to buy any products advertised during games. I'm hanging on by a thread because I'm pissed and I'm just about done with this money grubbing league.
We, as fans, just get F'd
wtf people
Fighting over that? Just don't watch those greedy sob's
NFL+ is not bad
ANTITRUST BBY
Nba is the same
I hope the NFL loses.