100% agreed! Sure hes the only one saying "bad things" on 600k emails non stop like hes a lunatic talking to the air 24/7 right? I hope justice brings this to the open eyes of people instead of the close doors of the NFL "justice"
And I think that was part of his angle. They either did or threatened to subpoena every single email between coaches, managers, owners players, etc. that were in the NFL email system. I’m sure the NFL would not like all of those things disclosed to the public.
As much as I don’t like goodell he’s only a puppet and doing what he is told by…..THE OWNERS of the nfl teams so we should hold the owners more accountable specially when they act like they don’t control what’s going on in the nfl
@@billsimmons8983 What? How can your level of comprehension be this low? Florio has been rooting against the NFL and their forced arbitration process for years. He has been hoping Gruden gets into open court. That's more content for him.
Huh? He was a part of that Mafia you find repulsive. All in for ruining the lives and bullying everyone else. That's backwards and brilliant. This is why US is a mess. You should run for President, need critical thinking like yours.
It's still kind of a hail mary that justice will be served. The NFL has a few higher courts to appeal to that have historically been in the NFLs pocket. We can hope
Thank you PFT for covering this story. The only sports show that has the balls to do it. All others are scared of the NFL, so they dont do it, they would rather talk about Bronny.
Not true. Jason Whitlock’s “fearless” was covering this story back around the time it first surfaced. He’s been a Gruden defender, especially in this case.
Gruden wasn’t even an NFL employee when he sent politically incorrect emails, and was the only person punished as a result of thousands of emails reviewed as part of an investigation that did not involve him. Not a big fan of Gruden personally, but they did him dirty.
Technically it's not illegal to fire someone over publicized private e-mails, however, it is beyond corrupt to publicize one employee's e-mails while literally everyone else's are kept hidden.
Yep because Al knew the AFL folded to the NFL when they were in a position of strength. Al never got over that. The NFL outed Gruden to save Snyder at the time. That alone was foul.
Raiders have nothing to do with this. He could of been Cowboy. Same same. It's okay for him to be racist and sexist? Yep, sounds like Raiders to me. Bullies and Burnouts.
@@cookieanddabutt2843It obviously DOES have something to do with The Raiders. They were PRIVATE emails. Can you imagine the fallout if ALL the emails were made public!?
@@cookieanddabutt2843 No, it’s not ok to be racist and sexist; nor is it ok to find, and then leak, confidential emails. There were 600,000 emails that were gathered together and someone found Gruden’s trash and deliberately leaked them to take down Gruden. I’m no fan of Gruden. But I am a fan of fair play. Surely, among 600,000 emails there were other inappropriate/offensive ones. But none of those have been leaked. Why do you think that is?
Raiders ain't thinking about Gruden. They ain't missing a meal, sleep safe and sound. Gruden would drag you over and under a bus for them and NFL "mafia". Why feel anything at all. He wouldn't for you.
@@cookieanddabutt2843 I think it’s more about what’s right and what’s wrong and what’s legal and what’s illegal. How little Jon Gruden would care about us is not the point.
@@cookieanddabutt2843 You dont seem personally biased at all. I'm willing to bet we could find worse things than Gruden said in your emails and texts right now.
He didn't say anything illegal. Just locker room talk. The worst thing he said was about the Rams bending the knee to the league by drafting Sam for the media story. That's why the NFL is pissed.
The Jets should hire Gruden, in what world is it ok for players like Desean Watson, Kareem Hunt, and Rashee Rice to be rostered by a team but Gruden gets forced to resign in disgrace for talking crap privately on his emails. The NFL is one of the most "forgiving" companies when it comes to bad behavior, except for when a guy calls Roger Godell some names.
Deshaun Watson was found not guilty in not one but two criminal investigations by grand jury… Kareem Hunt wasn’t charged with anything and no its wasn’t right for him to put his gs ds on female but there’s two sides to a story and if the cops decided to not press charges or arrest him then something else must have happened. Gruden emails while private and shouldn’t have been leaked were leak and clearly had racial statements in them and that wouldn’t be a good look on nfl just as much as other incidents so saying racism is ok is just weird
Deshaun Watson was found not guilty by two grand juries on criminal charges.. Kareem Hunt never got arrested or charged for anything even though it was stupid what he did… gruden emails got leaked with racist comments all thru them while they were suppose to be private and I don’t think he’s the only to have emails like that it’s still not a good look at all and racism is just as bad as the rest of the stuff you want to bring up racism is not ok at all !!!!
well it’s the only topic he’s really qualified to talk about and inform on. Cuz we all know it’s not football! He knows nothing of X’s and O’s. And he knows that, even though he would never admit that.
He definitely shouldn’t be back in the league. He was talking crazy in those emails while working in a league that has 70% African American athletes. But he wasn’t talking any differently than most all of the owners talk. There needs to be a change in power.
@@joseamador5516 Don't give me that Woke Mob Cancel BS. I'm the son of a Black Man and I approve of Gruden when he spoke the Truth in those emails. He is not a racist in my book. I respect people who speak their minds freely. Just my opinion.
@@TadashiNazukayou say he spoke freely,but he indeed didn't. Why didn't he speak like that on MNF if it's nothing wrong with what he said. Would you let a random white man walk up to your black father and say what he said and not feel disrespected? If you say you wouldn't care I believe you lying.
@@TadashiNazukathat ain’t no “woke mob” bs. Dude, you sound like a cult follower saying stupid made up trump terms. Dude saiid stuff that was not professional especially in his line of work point blank period. There are reproductions to things being said. So if it doesn’t need to be said be smart and don’t say it. People feel like free speech is a real thing. Guess what IT NEVER WAS.
He's a traitor either way. He targeted, bullied, and dragged any and every one else. Bunched panties cause it's him? You can't distinguish a traitor on an entertainment enterprise, you are a threat to everyone everywhere. Super sad.
I'm actually pretty surprised that Florio still appears on NBC on Football Night in America etc. He is a thorn in the NFL's side and they usually get handled as such. Keep going Florio!!
Gruden didn’t deserve it for emails over a decade old. People change. That leak is more evil than Gruden’s offense. I’m glad he’s back w/a great RUclips channel.
Really? Email leak is worse than actual racism and homophobia when he has the power to determine who remains employed as a football player? Nobody in this comment thread wants an employer who is openly racist against them.
@@jimward8331 Setting you back would imply you didn't suck already or that you had the prospect of not sucking anytime soon lol. Ya'll have had 2 good years in over the last 20, one of those being the last year Gruden was there.
I really appreciate your professional, concise and mature speaking style. Not once ending a sentence asking "right?" to no one or needlessly interjecting the word "like" every third word as if you were an adolescent female.
Gruden 2.0 didn't start so well, he was not good as a de facto GM (Mayock was worse). But as a coach Gruden definitely had the team going in the right direction at the end. I think someone high up in the league noticed this, and sought to smear him, figured this was bad enough to permanently "cancel" him, and he'd cave. I'm glad Gruden didn't cave, and hope he fights this to the bitter end.
When Gurden got fired I thought it was a little fishy. I was thinking "is the NFL expecting us to believe that amongst every single person involved in the league, Gruden is the only one who said racist things in an email?
The Raiders and their fans got the shaft. With Gruden and Mike Mayock they had their first chance in many years to move back up into the top tier of NFL teams. Now they have none.
Laughable, Mayock was horrible and Gruden had a losing record over three years as coach. I think Maxx Crosby and Kolton Miller are the only starters. Most of the people they picked aren't even in the league anymore.
The first 3 seasons were tough but won matches that actually made them look great. That Season saw us 3-1 and then it all went downhill despite making the playoffs
@@chrism6880 Mark would have to go to war with Goodell and the majority of owners. He should have… but he could lose the team like Dan Snyder if he got ganged up on. He’s not a popular owner.
Google Michael Almy USAF... same situation different circumstances. Employers should be held responsible for character defamation (or whatever legal term).
If women can get a prenuptial agreement tossed by claiming it was signed under pressure, then why can't employee's get arbitration agreements tossed? Justice should be equally enforced.
Because the media and NFL are in bed together. Goodell is the lapdog of the owners. Of the 2 most powerful owners, 1 was literally caught getting a happy ending massage and the story was done and dusted in about 2 seconds in terms of both legal and media coverage. So keeping this story out of the news cycles is child's play for the NFL. I'm not a big Florio fan in general, but I have always respected his willingness to take on any subject.
Every major network has an enormous NFL media contract these days: *ABC/ESPN* (Disney), *CBS* (Paramount), *Fox* (Fox Corp.), *NBC* (NBC Universal), *Prime Video* (Amazon). None of them are going to go out of their way to dedicate a significant amount of time covering this story in depth.
Roger Goodell needs to go. The integrity of the league has taken a 💩 over the past 10 years. Al Davis himself made the accusation that his franchise was targeted with malicious intent. Add to that every effort is being made to elevate the Chiefs. GOODELL NEEDS TO GO!!
Im black, and i dont care if he was exposed for having kkk membership emails, this case should be heard and justice should be had. If he has a case it should be heard.
The emails were part of an investigation into the Redskins front office. It was a felony to release any of them. And Gruden wasn't even working for the team.
THANK YOU! Great reporting is the moment you learn new FACTS delivered in bite size pieces / easy to understand. This episode is a master class in real journalism / reporting.
We all know what Mike means by respectable. That they have no moral compass and stories that should be private are created as newsworthy pieces. I'm 56 years old. I'm not naive enough to think no NFL coach or assistant was/is racist. That's called. Not news. Every company in the US has at least one executive who is of has connections to the KKK. Jesus my friend's dad in Pittsburgh was a member of the KKK. I find it impossible that Gruden after coaching so many years , players had no idea about his attitudes. And many didn't care if he could help them and the team win. I'm not justifying racism but to act like it's only one coach and make him the fall guy is non American and certainly not consistent with the US Constitution.
@@smithyamiami How? By saying words that hurt your underdeveloped brain? Children, literal children, used to be able to handle "mean words" better than modern day adults do now. If what Gruden said offends you, you're the problem, not him.
You sound extremely ignorant lol. When you are the coach of an NFL Franchise you have to understand that your actions and words affect everyone around you. He wasn’t the only one but his emails proved he spoke with a ton of racist rhetoric and clearly held a bias against African American players. The only reason why Gruden is upset is because he was the only one outed. That is the only thing wrong about this. Everyone should be held accountable. Instead the NFL scapegoated Gruden, but make no mistakes about it he was wrong most definitely. He should never coach in the league again
@@desireegibbs5134 I think his criticism was geared more towards the gayness and women actually. Maybe critical of the Rooney rule which is a racist policy.
I have been watching and listing to Sports programs since the 60's. To me you are the most succinct & informative Sports figure in the Game. Obviously your Legal background & understanding how to keep a conversation Snug & to the point really shines.
That is not realistic. Chucky LOVES football. There is no way he could have turned down that Raiders offer to coach. Especially the 100 million dollars. His wife would have killed him.
@@michaelparrish6093,The product Goodell is selling makes the job he’s done simple. There are many executives who could have done a better job. Goodell’s handling of this case alone should get him fired.
I don't understand why you keep insinuating Gruden is not a good dude when you say we should root for him even though he probably should have been fired. The emails that came out were fairly mild. And even after they came out, people like Mike Tirico, Charles Woodson, Jerry Rice all backed him up. People don't seem to know this, by Darren Waller, who was an amazing tight end that Gruden picked up off the streets practically, checked out on football because of Gruden's firing. That's why his production went down, and that's why he stopped caring and gave low effort. Whatever emails were leaked on Gruden, I'd imagine there were coaches before him that have emailed MUCH worse. Gruden's emails were MILD.
This exactly. People don't seem to understand context. It's entirely possible to use a racist word without being racist, just as it's possible to be racist without using any racist words. You could take the most heartfelt and humanistic sentence, arbitrarily throw a slur in the middle, and suddenly it's the worst sentence ever. As George Carlin said "There are no bad words. Bad thoughts. Bad intentions. And words."
I wish society would choose "bigot" or "prejudice" because 99 out of 100 times that's the correct applicable noun, I did 3 years in a variety of CA prisons, even the hardcore true believer is very rare.
I want gruden back head coaching with his brother OC and colt mccoy qbs coach, then rex ryan as DC assistant head coach and rob ryan on staff. Put them all back on the raiders and truly be the NFLs enemy
Great overview Mike... really worth hearing. While I don't necessarily like Gruden and hate what he said, I really hate the way the NFL colludes on just about everything... so I'm hoping Gruden prevails... Time to really consider why the NFL owners club should have antitrust exemptions...
We all do want to find out. We’re tired of cloaked justice, and also obviously conflicted justice in this country. To continue this path in this country is to confirm justice is not blind and that the powerful have a different level of justice. We all sense this, but daylight is the first step to repairing our justice system!
Why does Mike Florio insist on mischaracturizing anything remotely political. SCOTUS rules in favor of individual rights quite often. It's the one thing the Left and Right agree on more often than the media wants you to know.
Florio is CORRECT. The SCOTUS rule 20% out of 100 for individual rights. ONLY if it's a culture wars political right leaning issue AND most importantly doesn't threaten corporations money. If the case is against corporations, it's definitely NOT going to survive in this SCOTUS. The majority is bent.
Thank you for bringing this to light and explaining what’s going on though what Gruden said was wrong justice should be done and these things should come to light. People don’t understand that if they can do this to the people in power what they can do to the little man.
Really appreciate the coverage you are doing on this legal case and many of the others you update us on. I have no background in law and you make this all very clear and understandable. Great job 👏🏼. Keep it up. We need more coverage on how our sports leagues behave themselves off the fields and in the court room. Will tell you much about a corporation. I hope all the dirt comes to light and everyone can make an educated and informed opinion.
A guy whose name rhymes with Myreek Fill punches a pregnant woman in the belly, then breaks a little boy's arm. He was not punished. But Gruden said "offensive" things. This period in history will be remembered as a time of mass hysteria, when what you said was more important than what you did. Crazy!
I love that Mike takes time out of his day to make a video about the nuances of the law and this case. It's very interesting and I'm a little surprised it doesn't get more coverage. Thank you PFT and Mike! Please keep it coming!
Mike, you are my favorite analyst along with Rich Eislen. But Rich is a Jets fan. I’m a Bills fan. I don’t think Gruden is the devil they have made him out to be! I agree with you we should find out! So many snakes in the grass!
The buy off as you describe it in comprising terms is what I've always believed, money means nothing to Gruden at some point. He has all the money a person could ever need(reasonably speaking). So where lies the void in his life? Coaching. The stars are aligning and Davis is going to bring him back. I think any such deal must give him some kind of immunity going forward. Gruden I think knows some people are still politically correct(mentally ill)but the bottom line is fantasy, selling the illusion that football is. Diplomacy is an artform and it's always available as a solution, IF parties are willing to compromise and find middle ground. It is after all a dance and it takes two to tango.
Really thought, he always had it out for Gruden and the raiders but his coverage of this when most won’t touch it is proof enough. He calls it as he sees it. 👏🏼
600,000 emails and GRUDEN is the only one who ALLEGEDLY said something bad? Yeah that's believable
100% agreed! Sure hes the only one saying "bad things" on 600k emails non stop like hes a lunatic talking to the air 24/7 right?
I hope justice brings this to the open eyes of people instead of the close doors of the NFL "justice"
They went back 11 years to get him. That’s insane
And I think that was part of his angle. They either did or threatened to subpoena every single email between coaches, managers, owners players, etc. that were in the NFL email system. I’m sure the NFL would not like all of those things disclosed to the public.
The worst part is he wasnt even employed by the NFL at that time in those emails@jasonl7937
Integrity of the NFL has nothing to do with it. He was targeted. What other inappropriate behavior would be revealed if they released ALL the emails?
I want Gruden to win his case completely. I can't stand Goodell
As much as I don’t like goodell he’s only a puppet and doing what he is told by…..THE OWNERS of the nfl teams so we should hold the owners more accountable specially when they act like they don’t control what’s going on in the nfl
@@Centralcoastwraps831exactly. Goodell just does their bidding.
@@Centralcoastwraps831only problem with that is then they’ll just fire him and find the next puppet.
He should be prosecuted. This was part of an investigation and these emails were not allowed to be shared with anyone. I believe it was a felony.
*GODell.. not as a compliment, but meant to denigrate him for his wicked desire for power(a symptom of sociopathy).
This is big, I am pulling for Coach Gruden
He'll get paid, but we will never know the details unfortunately.
Gruden was great. But man, there was some messed up things he said.
@@wdaniel891 Like what?
@@deer626 just google it
I’m all with Gruden. The NFL clearly targeted him and they are like a fuckin Mafia the way they get these cases tossed.
Florio seems disappointed that Gruden won this round.
@@billsimmons8983dont bite the hand that feeds
@@billsimmons8983 What? How can your level of comprehension be this low? Florio has been rooting against the NFL and their forced arbitration process for years. He has been hoping Gruden gets into open court. That's more content for him.
Oh so that means that the NFL does have a vendetta against the raiders just like Al Davis been saying
Huh? He was a part of that Mafia you find repulsive. All in for ruining the lives and bullying everyone else. That's backwards and brilliant. This is why US is a mess. You should run for President, need critical thinking like yours.
I can’t believe this isn’t a bigger story, just shows you how powerful corporations like the NFL are.
They control everything. Including what get tv airtime, and who gets elected!
It's still kind of a hail mary that justice will be served. The NFL has a few higher courts to appeal to that have historically been in the NFLs pocket. We can hope
The NFL is the owners
Like the Pedocrats, the NFL has the media in their back pockets
Imagine kicking someone out of the job for something that they did 10 years ago. I hope NFL losing billions on this case
Thank you PFT for covering this story. The only sports show that has the balls to do it. All others are scared of the NFL, so they dont do it, they would rather talk about Bronny.
Exactly
Not true. Jason Whitlock’s “fearless” was covering this story back around the time it first surfaced. He’s been a Gruden defender, especially in this case.
@@Riles3152lol Jason Whitlock 😂
Respect
Who's bronny??? 😮😮😮
Gruden wasn’t even an NFL employee when he sent politically incorrect emails, and was the only person punished as a result of thousands of emails reviewed as part of an investigation that did not involve him. Not a big fan of Gruden personally, but they did him dirty.
Technically it's not illegal to fire someone over publicized private e-mails, however, it is beyond corrupt to publicize one employee's e-mails while literally everyone else's are kept hidden.
@@ryanjacobson2508, certainly morally bent...
Because we were a threat to the Chiefs and the NFL mob behind them
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS
What was the key win?
Loving Gruden's RUclips channel. His enthusiasm is outstanding. And his breakdowns are so entertaining.
The nfl hates the raiders. Goes back to Al Davis suing them. I hope Gruden wins and all the emails come out.
Yep because Al knew the AFL folded to the NFL when they were in a position of strength. Al never got over that. The NFL outed Gruden to save Snyder at the time. That alone was foul.
Raiders have nothing to do with this. He could of been Cowboy. Same same. It's okay for him to be racist and sexist? Yep, sounds like Raiders to me. Bullies and Burnouts.
@@cookieanddabutt2843It obviously DOES have something to do with The Raiders. They were PRIVATE emails. Can you imagine the fallout if ALL the emails were made public!?
@@cookieanddabutt2843 No, it’s not ok to be racist and sexist; nor is it ok to find, and then leak, confidential emails. There were 600,000 emails that were gathered together and someone found Gruden’s trash and deliberately leaked them to take down Gruden.
I’m no fan of Gruden. But I am a fan of fair play. Surely, among 600,000 emails there were other inappropriate/offensive ones. But none of those have been leaked. Why do you think that is?
Okay Mr/ Ms perfect !
I don't care what was in the E-mails. Roger Goodell & league office did Gruden & the Raiders dirty. And I hate the Raiders.
Raiders ain't thinking about Gruden. They ain't missing a meal, sleep safe and sound. Gruden would drag you over and under a bus for them and NFL "mafia". Why feel anything at all. He wouldn't for you.
As a black man, I recognize that if you could do it to Jon Gruden, you can do it to anybody. The NFL is a legalized Mafia.
@@cookieanddabutt2843 I think it’s more about what’s right and what’s wrong and what’s legal and what’s illegal. How little Jon Gruden would care about us is not the point.
@@cookieanddabutt2843 You dont seem personally biased at all. I'm willing to bet we could find worse things than Gruden said in your emails and texts right now.
He didn't say anything illegal. Just locker room talk. The worst thing he said was about the Rams bending the knee to the league by drafting Sam for the media story. That's why the NFL is pissed.
I hope Gruden doesn't settle, and burns it down to the ground.
He isn't going to win😂 he needs to settle to get 1 more paycheck. The emails are real
@@stevenp25100Only Jon's? The rest are boy scouts....gotcha
@@stevenp25100oh yes he is guy 😂
@@PapaDalbec ?
@@jimsilveira2344 and? It doesn't change the facts. "Other people might be bad too" isn't an argument a court is going to hear.
Mike’s out here doing his monthly session of real journalism
Rarely seen these days in media
The Jets should hire Gruden, in what world is it ok for players like Desean Watson, Kareem Hunt, and Rashee Rice to be rostered by a team but Gruden gets forced to resign in disgrace for talking crap privately on his emails. The NFL is one of the most "forgiving" companies when it comes to bad behavior, except for when a guy calls Roger Godell some names.
Deshaun Watson was found not guilty in not one but two criminal investigations by grand jury… Kareem Hunt wasn’t charged with anything and no its wasn’t right for him to put his gs ds on female but there’s two sides to a story and if the cops decided to not press charges or arrest him then something else must have happened. Gruden emails while private and shouldn’t have been leaked were leak and clearly had racial statements in them and that wouldn’t be a good look on nfl just as much as other incidents so saying racism is ok is just weird
Ye
Exactly. I've been saying he got railroaded since this all went down. Hope he gets a payout.
Tony Accardo who ran the Chicago Outfit had FIVE relatives in the NFL. Two of them are Nick and Joey Bosa.
Deshaun Watson was found not guilty by two grand juries on criminal charges.. Kareem Hunt never got arrested or charged for anything even though it was stupid what he did… gruden emails got leaked with racist comments all thru them while they were suppose to be private and I don’t think he’s the only to have emails like that it’s still not a good look at all and racism is just as bad as the rest of the stuff you want to bring up racism is not ok at all !!!!
650,000 emails, and Gruden's were the only of an unsavory nature. Imagine the odds...
People have to remember the Dan Snyder court case was going on at the same time. This was a distraction so Snyder could get away clean
But I wasn't the only 1 isn't usually a defense that works
@@stevenp25100 nope but discovery and facts are.
I'm sure the responses to Gruden's emails were nothing but condemnation and lecturing on the wrongs of racism and homophobia.
@feudalistrealism2501 it doesn't matter they were to bruce Allen who is already out of the league
Please more of this, Florio
I enjoy Florio talking about his legal episodes.
It’s the best
It's the only thing he actually knows well
well it’s the only topic he’s really qualified to talk about and inform on. Cuz we all know it’s not football! He knows nothing of X’s and O’s. And he knows that, even though he would never admit that.
He should have them released as a side podcast called Illegal Procedure.
@@bikingdog or "Top shelf toupee"
The breadcrumbs lead back to The Commissioner, which is why The League is fighting so hard to keep this out of court.
Who supervised that litigation? Troy Vincent. Hard drives long gone, sorry we updated…
Gruden is a Legend. More Power to him. He should be back in the league.
He definitely shouldn’t be back in the league. He was talking crazy in those emails while working in a league that has 70% African American athletes. But he wasn’t talking any differently than most all of the owners talk. There needs to be a change in power.
@@joseamador5516 Don't give me that Woke Mob Cancel BS. I'm the son of a Black Man and I approve of Gruden when he spoke the Truth in those emails. He is not a racist in my book. I respect people who speak their minds freely. Just my opinion.
@@TadashiNazukayou say he spoke freely,but he indeed didn't. Why didn't he speak like that on MNF if it's nothing wrong with what he said. Would you let a random white man walk up to your black father and say what he said and not feel disrespected?
If you say you wouldn't care I believe you lying.
@@TadashiNazukathat ain’t no “woke mob” bs. Dude, you sound like a cult follower saying stupid made up trump terms. Dude saiid stuff that was not professional especially in his line of work point blank period. There are reproductions to things being said. So if it doesn’t need to be said be smart and don’t say it. People feel like free speech is a real thing. Guess what IT NEVER WAS.
He's a traitor either way. He targeted, bullied, and dragged any and every one else. Bunched panties cause it's him? You can't distinguish a traitor on an entertainment enterprise, you are a threat to everyone everywhere. Super sad.
I'm actually pretty surprised that Florio still appears on NBC on Football Night in America etc. He is a thorn in the NFL's side and they usually get handled as such. Keep going Florio!!
Roger Godell probably leaked it out. he does not like Gruden
Lord’s work brother. Honest justice needs to be delivered. Keep at it.
Gruden didn’t deserve it for emails over a decade old. People change. That leak is more evil than Gruden’s offense. I’m glad he’s back w/a great RUclips channel.
Really? Email leak is worse than actual racism and homophobia when he has the power to determine who remains employed as a football player? Nobody in this comment thread wants an employer who is openly racist against them.
It was Goodell. He needs to answer for the Payton cover-up as well. And go to jail.
I'm a casual. What Payton cover-up?
Look up New Orleans Saints bounty scandal.
@Zoyous That happened. There was no cover-up.
@Zoyous oh. That happened forever ago and I thought greg got suspended and saints lost some picks or something
There was drugs being stolen by the team
Gruden should be allowed to coach again
all he did was set us back 10 years, as a coach the game has passed him by
@@jimward8331@jimward8331 you as a weak man, women has always passed you by
@@jimward8331 Setting you back would imply you didn't suck already or that you had the prospect of not sucking anytime soon lol. Ya'll have had 2 good years in over the last 20, one of those being the last year Gruden was there.
Why he's a bigot ? He can't lead everyone fairly
I really appreciate your professional, concise and mature speaking style. Not once ending a sentence asking "right?" to no one or needlessly interjecting the word "like" every third word as if you were an adolescent female.
Reminds me of Mark Cuban...
Amen.
His presentation is more like a lecture. Chris has a more conversational style. Whatever floats your boat.
Gruden definitely had enemies in high places.
Gruden 2.0 didn't start so well, he was not good as a de facto GM (Mayock was worse). But as a coach Gruden definitely had the team going in the right direction at the end. I think someone high up in the league noticed this, and sought to smear him, figured this was bad enough to permanently "cancel" him, and he'd cave. I'm glad Gruden didn't cave, and hope he fights this to the bitter end.
I’m commenting to help drive the algorithm, because this story SHOULD have much more light shined upon it.
When Gurden got fired I thought it was a little fishy. I was thinking "is the NFL expecting us to believe that amongst every single person involved in the league, Gruden is the only one who said racist things in an email?
It's wasn't racist tho. He got called tire lips for talking to much. If Gruden was racist how did he win a SB with black players?
gruden loves the game and the league is better when he’s a part of it his energy is infectious and his knowledge is priceless
The Raiders and their fans got the shaft. With Gruden and Mike Mayock they had their first chance in many years to move back up into the top tier of NFL teams. Now they have none.
No one forced Mark Davis to fire them. Mike Mayock had nothing to do with the emails.
Laughable, Mayock was horrible and Gruden had a losing record over three years as coach. I think Maxx Crosby and Kolton Miller are the only starters. Most of the people they picked aren't even in the league anymore.
The first 3 seasons were tough but won matches that actually made them look great. That Season saw us 3-1 and then it all went downhill despite making the playoffs
@@chrism6880 Mark would have to go to war with Goodell and the majority of owners. He should have… but he could lose the team like Dan Snyder if he got ganged up on. He’s not a popular owner.
False. Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes would still be a thing
Google Michael Almy USAF... same situation different circumstances. Employers should be held responsible for character defamation (or whatever legal term).
Mark Davis should also bring this same suit for the major harm done to the franchise.
Love the legal ramblings above all, Florio! Keep up the great work!!! 🔥💪
"Respected Publications" and NY Times don't go together in the same sentence. Gave me a laugh.
I thought the same thing
Hick mentality
The NY Times is one of the best papers world-wide. Maybe you simply don’t agree with them?
@@sba8710😂😂😂 thanks for the laugh man.
Mike I disagree that the current SCOTUS would by default side with Big Business just because they are Big Business.
If women can get a prenuptial agreement tossed by claiming it was signed under pressure, then why can't employee's get arbitration agreements tossed? Justice should be equally enforced.
How is this not being covered more in depth?!?
Because the media and NFL are in bed together. Goodell is the lapdog of the owners. Of the 2 most powerful owners, 1 was literally caught getting a happy ending massage and the story was done and dusted in about 2 seconds in terms of both legal and media coverage. So keeping this story out of the news cycles is child's play for the NFL. I'm not a big Florio fan in general, but I have always respected his willingness to take on any subject.
Dont bite the hand that feeds you?
Every major network has an enormous NFL media contract these days: *ABC/ESPN* (Disney), *CBS* (Paramount), *Fox* (Fox Corp.), *NBC* (NBC Universal), *Prime Video* (Amazon). None of them are going to go out of their way to dedicate a significant amount of time covering this story in depth.
The same reason no one digs deep regarding epstein
Roger Goodell needs to go. The integrity of the league has taken a 💩 over the past 10 years. Al Davis himself made the accusation that his franchise was targeted with malicious intent. Add to that every effort is being made to elevate the Chiefs. GOODELL NEEDS TO GO!!
Absolutely
NYT is one of many Publications that is only one step above Gawker and it isn't even that big of a step.
Give the people what they want Flores!
Good for John ,he got a Raw Deal.
His firing set the Raiders Wayyyyy Back.
Yeah but they didn't *have* to hire McDaniels
@@dannyrobert1382 Amen to that.
thank you for covering this - not many outlets have the courage to show the full story
Im black, and i dont care if he was exposed for having kkk membership emails, this case should be heard and justice should be had. If he has a case it should be heard.
Fact
Selectively leaked. His explayers love him. I hope he gets billions.
The emails were part of an investigation into the Redskins front office. It was a felony to release any of them. And Gruden wasn't even working for the team.
I’m white
He’s on RUclips now, go Jon 😊
Sure is & his game breakdowns are making ESPN look pretty BAD
15:20 that's a GREAT POINT. As wild as it sounds, im rooting for Jon Gruden now!
THANK YOU! Great reporting is the moment you learn new FACTS delivered in bite size pieces / easy to understand. This episode is a master class in real journalism / reporting.
We’ve never actually seen any of the emails verbatim only a reporter’s description of their content without any context.
I don’t always agree with you Mike, but I always appreciate you. Love these legal insights.
The most unbelievable part of this story is that he called the New York Times a respectable institution.
I was going to comment the exact same thing! You already did it for me. Lol😂
😂
We all know what Mike means by respectable. That they have no moral compass and stories that should be private are created as newsworthy pieces.
I'm 56 years old. I'm not naive enough to think no NFL coach or assistant was/is racist. That's called. Not news.
Every company in the US has at least one executive who is of has connections to the KKK. Jesus my friend's dad in Pittsburgh was a member of the KKK.
I find it impossible that Gruden after coaching so many years , players had no idea about his attitudes. And many didn't care if he could help them and the team win.
I'm not justifying racism but to act like it's only one coach and make him the fall guy is non American and certainly not consistent with the US Constitution.
I like Florio. The legal stuff is his and his alone. Grateful to have his view in NFL coverage
thanks, Mike. pls keep us up to date on this one.
Gruden did nothing wrong.
He sort of did.
@@smithyamiami How? By saying words that hurt your underdeveloped brain? Children, literal children, used to be able to handle "mean words" better than modern day adults do now. If what Gruden said offends you, you're the problem, not him.
You sound extremely ignorant lol. When you are the coach of an NFL Franchise you have to understand that your actions and words affect everyone around you. He wasn’t the only one but his emails proved he spoke with a ton of racist rhetoric and clearly held a bias against African American players. The only reason why Gruden is upset is because he was the only one outed. That is the only thing wrong about this. Everyone should be held accountable. Instead the NFL scapegoated Gruden, but make no mistakes about it he was wrong most definitely. He should never coach in the league again
@@desireegibbs5134 like I said.
@@desireegibbs5134 I think his criticism was geared more towards the gayness and women actually. Maybe critical of the Rooney rule which is a racist policy.
I have been watching and listing to Sports programs since the 60's. To me you are the most succinct & informative Sports figure in the Game. Obviously your Legal background & understanding how to keep a conversation Snug & to the point really shines.
Gruden was great on MNF, he should have just stayed there
Agreed. Would have been the next madden
He would still get fired by espn after those emails came out. At least now, he has the opportunity to expose the NFL.
Why?
That is not realistic. Chucky LOVES football. There is no way he could have turned down that Raiders offer to coach. Especially the 100 million dollars. His wife would have killed him.
@@spiritualarchitect4276 _"His wife would have _*_killed_*_ him"_ 😆
probably true
Thanks for keeping up on this.
Goodall RUINED the NFL.
Lmao.. he made it safer, more popular and significantly more profitable. He did his job at an elite level.
@@michaelparrish6093,The product Goodell is selling makes the job he’s done simple. There are many executives who could have done a better job. Goodell’s handling of this case alone should get him fired.
good for stakeholders. bad for the game. tiny hat gang @@michaelparrish6093
Brady was smart to not allow the NFL his communications.
Thanks Mr Florio. Very informative and interesting to hear.
Glad you’re covering this. So so happy
They were PRIVATE emails. That's what bothers me. ALL 650,000 should be made public then. 😂
Exactly.
Otherwise it's simple targeting
I don't understand why you keep insinuating Gruden is not a good dude when you say we should root for him even though he probably should have been fired. The emails that came out were fairly mild. And even after they came out, people like Mike Tirico, Charles Woodson, Jerry Rice all backed him up.
People don't seem to know this, by Darren Waller, who was an amazing tight end that Gruden picked up off the streets practically, checked out on football because of Gruden's firing. That's why his production went down, and that's why he stopped caring and gave low effort.
Whatever emails were leaked on Gruden, I'd imagine there were coaches before him that have emailed MUCH worse. Gruden's emails were MILD.
Gruden isn't a racist person he just liked racist jokes
This exactly. People don't seem to understand context. It's entirely possible to use a racist word without being racist, just as it's possible to be racist without using any racist words. You could take the most heartfelt and humanistic sentence, arbitrarily throw a slur in the middle, and suddenly it's the worst sentence ever.
As George Carlin said "There are no bad words. Bad thoughts. Bad intentions. And words."
@ThePsho if you're saying a bunch of racist stuff.....I'm going to assume you're just racist 😂
Nice word Salad 😂😂😂 wtf
@@billyyank5807 context matters.
Is that less "word salad" enough for you?
@billyyank5807 Child logic. Jokes are jokes. Adults consider context and intent.
I wish society would choose "bigot" or "prejudice" because 99 out of 100 times that's the correct applicable noun, I did 3 years in a variety of CA prisons, even the hardcore true believer is very rare.
I want gruden back head coaching with his brother OC and colt mccoy qbs coach, then rex ryan as DC assistant head coach and rob ryan on staff. Put them all back on the raiders and truly be the NFLs enemy
Good talk, Florio
Great overview Mike... really worth hearing. While I don't necessarily like Gruden and hate what he said, I really hate the way the NFL colludes on just about everything... so I'm hoping Gruden prevails... Time to really consider why the NFL owners club should have antitrust exemptions...
Florio covered this story so well.
I love having Florio cover this stuff. You can tell he’s so comfortable here and he makes great arguments.
We all do want to find out. We’re tired of cloaked justice, and also obviously conflicted justice in this country. To continue this path in this country is to confirm justice is not blind and that the powerful have a different level of justice. We all sense this, but daylight is the first step to repairing our justice system!
We don't have a "justice system". That only exists in movies/TV shows. We have a "legal system" , and like everything else in the US, it is for sale.
We need Jon Gruden here in Dallas!
Why is Jerry and Robert kraft in football and jenny bush in basketball allowed to stay in the league
What are you talking about? Jerry has done more for the NFL than you seem to know about, and what did Kraft do that upset you? A few massages?
Jon Gruden should still be a head coach in the NFL
This has a 30 for 30 episode written all over it
ESPN would never touch it
GODell ordered the code red!
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@@kevinwalsh4652😂😂
Why does Mike Florio insist on mischaracturizing anything remotely political. SCOTUS rules in favor of individual rights quite often. It's the one thing the Left and Right agree on more often than the media wants you to know.
Florio is CORRECT. The SCOTUS rule 20% out of 100 for individual rights. ONLY if it's a culture wars political right leaning issue AND most importantly doesn't threaten corporations money. If the case is against corporations, it's definitely NOT going to survive in this SCOTUS. The majority is bent.
The NYT is not respected Mike, dam dude wake up.
Thanks Mike Florio! One of the few honest Reporters. 👍
I love this for Gruden. 🤩🤩
This is still the best sports talk show
First Things First lil boy
If you are in Nevada, put the pressure on these Robes!
Thank you for bringing this to light and explaining what’s going on though what Gruden said was wrong justice should be done and these things should come to light. People don’t understand that if they can do this to the people in power what they can do to the little man.
I’m with Gruden!
Really appreciate the coverage you are doing on this legal case and many of the others you update us on. I have no background in law and you make this all very clear and understandable. Great job 👏🏼. Keep it up. We need more coverage on how our sports leagues behave themselves off the fields and in the court room. Will tell you much about a corporation. I hope all the dirt comes to light and everyone can make an educated and informed opinion.
Big corporations aren’t afraid of juries. They hate accountability and having their corruption and misdeeds exposed in discovery and open court.
thank you for posting this! was waiting to hear something ever since you said something on PMS
happy for jon
You Sir are a True Scholar. Really Appreciate your hard work & most importantly the Truth you speak. Get us the answers!!!
hopefully Gruden will not take the hush money and continues to push forward. The result of this case may lead to Goodell's resignation.
A guy whose name rhymes with Myreek Fill punches a pregnant woman in the belly, then breaks a little boy's arm. He was not punished. But Gruden said "offensive" things. This period in history will be remembered as a time of mass hysteria, when what you said was more important than what you did. Crazy!
I wish they would get rid of Goodell, he's been absolute trash for the NFL
The Saints NEED Gruden! He’s the man!!👊
Grudens not going to the saints. The saints suck! Their season is over.
@@Tunachaz62 Agree on all points-but Gruden could turn things around for them. He’s got the tenacity to do it!
I love that Mike takes time out of his day to make a video about the nuances of the law and this case.
It's very interesting and I'm a little surprised it doesn't get more coverage.
Thank you PFT and Mike! Please keep it coming!
Gruden is the Man! Bring him to Chicago!!
Grudens not going to Chicago. Another bears fan dreaming.
Mike, you are my favorite analyst along with Rich Eislen. But Rich is a Jets fan. I’m a Bills fan. I don’t think Gruden is the devil they have made him out to be! I agree with you we should find out! So many snakes in the grass!
Very informative! Thank you,
Florio is way more watchable without Simms.
Drop the mike
Thanks for reporting and explaining this. Other networks aren't covering this. This is the first i hear of this status
The buy off as you describe it in comprising terms is what I've always believed, money means nothing to Gruden at some point. He has all the money a person could ever need(reasonably speaking). So where lies the void in his life? Coaching. The stars are aligning and Davis is going to bring him back. I think any such deal must give him some kind of immunity going forward. Gruden I think knows some people are still politically correct(mentally ill)but the bottom line is fantasy, selling the illusion that football is. Diplomacy is an artform and it's always available as a solution, IF parties are willing to compromise and find middle ground. It is after all a dance and it takes two to tango.
Really thought, he always had it out for Gruden and the raiders but his coverage of this when most won’t touch it is proof enough. He calls it as he sees it. 👏🏼
Is this about painting Gruden as racist?