Judge overturns $4.7 billion verdict in NFL Sunday Ticket lawsuit | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC
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- Mike Florio provides the latest update on the NFL Sunday Ticket lawsuit, including U.S. District Judge Philip Gutierrez overturning the jury's $4.7 billion verdict in the class-action lawsuit. #ProFootballTalk #NFL #SundayTicket
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There are no laws for Billionaires...let's stop using the title "Honorable" in the US judicial system.
No shit
despicable seems more accurate given how bad some of these GOP judges seem to be
But but the ex former President he cares about you 😂😂😂
True quote I learned in law school. “A good lawyer knows the law. A great lawyer knows the judge.”
Holy shit, that rings true
This shit is making Florio want to go back into law himself to get this thing right 😂
Corruption at its finest.
They all eventually get popped just like dealers.
Look at Boeing
Of course it was. Imagine any large corporation in this country being held accountable.
That judge should be removed. That is a terrible verdict. The NFL blatantly did what they did.
He retiring in 10 weeks
@@barrybondshomerunking6778 I'm sure ot would be a total coincidence if he retires and immediately accepts a cushy "consulting" job with the league or some pro-business politician.
I’m sure the judge didn’t have any outside influence that persuaded his decision 🤨
What exactly did the nfl do that was illegal?
and what did they do? Provide customers with the opportunity to watch games not on local TV. How is what they did any different than Disney? or UFC?
Welcome to America where your 'trial by jury' means nothing when it offends the king
That’s because the United States has become a bunch of smoke and mirrors. We actually have become the thing that we say we’re fighting against.
If this were a criminal trial your point would be good.
This is a civil trial. There’s a big difference
@@sisilotau2185works both ways. Bet the judge got a nice sum.
What king
@@mourka01the rich
The nfl never had intentions to pay customers shit
Lol😂 Why on earth would they?
They are a corporation. Corporations NEVER intend on giving back money customers gave them.
You seemed to have forgotten that and think the NFL is something greater than the sum of its parts or as a whole.
It never was.
The NFL is holding network TV together. Pharmaceutical companies own the networks thru their endless run of ads that never actually push patients to ask doctors a thing.
When you're dealing with power like that they ALWAYS win.
In a related story, the judge just retired to their own private island...
And got season tickets
UN related bro. Lol
judge waited so long cause his payoff didn't hit his account at the time
Judge definitely got paid off
Easier to pay 1 guy millions than pay millions of people
@@Zebulon6980 a lot cheaper as well
Facts guys … it’s a cold world out here
This is why I like PFT and Florio. No one else in sports media has his background to expertly cover and explain this case to us fans.
Also, what a crock of shit this has all turned out to be. Just sad. Once again the fans get shafted.
Florio has the background and the intelligence to cover it properly.
They could....if these multi-billion dollar operations paid for living breathing reporting. But they choose not to....and they're obligation to do so for using public airwaves is never enforced.
Agreed. It's nice having someone that has a background in the legal aspects of the NFL.👍
Good thing I’ve never paid a dime ever for Sunday Ticket.
I agree.
Precisely. I'll never spend a cent on NFL games or merchandise, yet I'll take my viewing content as I chose. Screw these bastards, I'll never support them [bar the tax money they bleed from me for stadiums and the like. I guess the moneybags always win in the end...].
If you have enough money and influence the law is whatever you want it to be.
The NFL broke antitrust laws but ole boy can’t see how the customers (all of us really) was harmed? Make it make sense. Please
Ticket pricing violates ant trust laws. Do you pay for tickets or watch on TV?
Settle down we were not harmed. We pay $400 a year for Sunday Ticket Tilly worth it. It’s chump change
How were you damaged? By watching the game you would have never had the option to watch before without Sunday ticket? Or do you think you can walk into a store and just take a spoonful of peanut butter...cause that's all you really want. Regional broadcasts exist. Are you harmed because your local ABC network doesn't show you the local news from 1000 miles away? You know why NFL has an antitrust exemption? To ensure that local games are available freely on networks. Local. Why are they a monopoly? Because every time a competitor comes around...no one watches. It's not the NFL making themselves a monopoly, it's fans. What is your damage if you can't watch Seattle while living in Miami? What's the dollar amount? Damages have to be proven, and both the experts and the Jury took a BONKERS way to calculate it. You don't get to sue the Hummer dealer if you bought one when the markup was 100% during the shortage. If you bought sunday ticket....watching those games was clearly worth the money to you at the time, so....how were you damaged? If you didn't buy sunday ticket, you have no standing in this case and you CLEARLY weren't damaged by the pricing of Sunday ticket. It's like someone buying a van Gogh and suing because the actual paint he used wasn't worth 10 million. Florio's legal analysis is a perfect example of why he talks about football for a living instead of practicing law. I struggle to believe he passed a bar exam anywhere honestly. This case was NEVER and could never, be about making all non regional games available on network TV nationwide. That is CLEARLY covered by the exemption. There is no legal precedent for forcing someone to offer their services in ALL markets at ALL times. That's not how it works. If you break the NFL's exemption, you don't make shit cheaper or require games it to be on your local network, you empower the Cowboys to negotiate their own deal, and the packers etc etc. Suddenly if you want all the games, you are paying for 32 different streaming subscriptions. I mean if you are a Broncos fan, you clearly want their home game service(they would only control the broadcasts at home)...but when they play Vegas away...well Vegas controls that broadcast, so now you have to pay for THEIR service as well etc etc.
It harms us because if you live in a state your team doesn’t play you get screwed. Sunday ticket is incredibly overpriced which encourages people to watch local games instead of the team your root for or the best game. I lived in Mississippi for 4 years and had to illegally stream the Giants because that wasn’t the game that was on. Now if i want to watch the best game on TV i can’t because i can only get the national game. It bully’s you into spending an insane amount of money for a product that should be available to annoyone.
Nobody was harmed. The people that bought Sunday Ticket did it willingly, knowing full well what it cost. That is a mutually agreed on contract for entertainment.
God I hate this country sometimes….not always but sometimes.
Most of the time!
I’m Boycotting The NFL Sunday Ticket
Bravo I did it 8 years back
You won't be missed.
Have you though, really? How many years did you pay for it? I'm not boycotting it. Then again, I've never had it either.
@@Willtellthetruth If he was a paying customer, of course he'll be missed.
@@Willtellthetruth neither will your existence
Someone got paid 😂😂😂 our judicial system is a joke rich people get away with everything
I love how the American Justice system treats the Jury like a bunch of losers.
Why even have a jury trial, if a corrupt judge can just overturn anything they do?
Because the defendant is a powerful rich monopoly.
why is the judge corrupt? Because he did something you dont like or understand?
@@reid1boys Because he thought he knew better than 12 Jurors.
He's a corrupt Republican judge.
@@reid1boys But keep simping for Billionaires.
They will see you and definitely reward you for your fealty.
Jury trials are emotional and produce outrageous verdicts.
This damn country is so corrupt.
The Judge was paid off to drop the case. Appeal the judgement & get a new judge next time.
"Crackpot/corrupt judge overturns verdict" fixed it for you
NFL never cares about the fan base who makes them billons
Thank you, Mike, for calling a spade a spade.
Rigged court system,NFL never loses.
They lose if people stop watching. People should do something else with their lives.
@@dinkumthinkum4247or maybe they could stop being corrupt
Exactly. It’s powder puff football now anyway. Plus it’s sports entertainment categorized like wrestling and unlike basketball and baseball. Why waste your time and money. Rating are only high because of gambling and fantasy
Paid off Judge!!!
It’s almost like the judge was in somebody’s pocket… *cough* Goodell *cough*
In big cases, with big money, involving the ultra-rich ,the judicial system doesn't work for the common people. The judges decision was decided by the NFL.
The appeals court if they are an honest broker of the law will reverse this decision.
hence I've been streaming it for free since i can't even remember
Like a real American! My man! 🇺🇸
and just like that my sunday ticket went back to $349. they were down to $299 to renew
I heard of people getting $249 to renew
The only way to lower the price of the Sunday Ticket is for people to stop buying it. Big enterprises only listen when they lose business.
179.99 here 😂
The Sunday Ticket on RUclips is $449 for 2024! This year they allowed you to pay in 4 monthly payments of $113/month. Aren’t they nice!
If you have enough money. The law doesn’t matter.
And some of you all believe a BILLIONAIRE is here to help you.....
But a poorer person who is willing to accept bribes isn’t
@@user-ph1bk3lt3b if the billionaire is a known scam artist and the poorer person has shown integrity, I'll take the poorer person
Hey man leave T Swift outta this
Don't like politics with people smarter than you. Do you think liberals are here to help you ? News flash they pocket most of the money that's supposed to help the homeless. Red states > blue states.
The people who want billionaires to do whatever billionaires want, are just parasites looking for a billionaire host to attach to.
The judge wrote his ruling before the case was even finished arguing. NFL fixed it just like rich people have been doing since the beginning of time.
I hope nobody buys Sunday Ticket ever again unless they massively discount the price.
United States Senate, commerce committee should hold hearing on this matter
They are the dirtiest players in the game so, we need to replace all of them (not going to happen) or just take our opinions and stuff them away, as usual.
And wtf comes from hearings but clips of … such such really gave it to them..and then NOTHING
@@dragongeraldbthe dirtiest players in the game are the people they work for: these Billionaires who just got their judicial courtier to do their bidding.
Exempted from the Sports Broadcasting Act of 1961
That
Sounds like a load of horse shit.The judge approved those witnesses and signed off on those witnesses.And now, after the fact they're gonna say that those witnesses were not reliable.Well , that's something that should have been handled by the judge prior to verdict prior to them , taking the stant
I’m a lawyer (but I don’t do this type of work and I don’t practice in federal court), and all I can say is that this wouldn’t happen in state court where I practice. There has to be a REALLY compelling legal reason to overturn a jury’s verdict no matter how insane their decision was. Seems unfair to say “we are leaving the judgement in place, but we are erasing damages without awarding a new trial.” Hopefully the appellate court reverses.
The jury was bribed. In reality, the NFL is not guilty.
I just got a Sunday Ticket ad lol.
I had the Sunday ticket through DIRECTV for over twenty years. When they switched to RUclips I didn't renew. The Sunday ticket should be available on all streaming and satellite systems. Let us watch the games we want!
That’s not how it works
You’re not entitled to anything
They can and will appeal this ruling and the appeals court will overturn this crap. The appeals court panel will correct this.
Thank you for this coverage.
The judicial system is slanted towards billionaires. Disgusting
That Judge is bought!
BUT, there is a Judge much HIGHER than the man made Judge.
His Judgment is Final!
Another day of the NFL getting away with it
I wonder how much the NFL paid him for that verdict.
The fix was in by the owners. If you can buy a supreme Court judge on lavish hunting trips and cabins in the woods. Buying a minor league judge by the NFL's owners. It's just a walk in the park for them.
Maybe players salaries should go down, instead
Of going up every year
Sounds like another judge on an extra-judicial payroll, similar to some notable members of SCOTUS. Do you really expect us to believe that a huge bundle of billionaires who are NFL owners didn’t have influence over this ruling?
This judge need to be investigated!!!!
Best part was we were billed for this season’s ticket on Aug 1st. 😂
If that goes to the Supreme Court you already know how that's gonna shake out. Right along party lines man with free tickets for life for six lucky members.... 😒
It will take YEARS before it gets to the Supremes.
Here is what really happened. The NFL gave this judge money or something valuable to throw this case out. That’s what happened. We are no better than Russia in this regard. Makes me not proud to be an American. And I’m considering completly tuning the NFL out. I won’t ever watch it again or buy 1 peice
Of merchandise. I know
Just me doing this won’t have any effect but if 3 million people do it it will.
I was so excited to hear your take on this. It does not disappoint.
So several issues I have with the judges ruling. You can't wait for results to make that kind of ruling #1. #2 you have undermined the juries decision and are unbelievable. #3 is how can you call someone unreliable for not being able to put together a prediction of what it will look like. I hope the FTC looks at this now as well. They are stupid with the things they go after, but then things that have a lot of weight and would be meaningful to the country, they look the other way. I am a Seahawks fan in Florida so I just miss half my teams games if not more and I can't afford Sunday ticket so I end up watching my games through redzone which sucks.
Mike you’re wrong. Plaintiffs lawyers need to foot the upfront cost. They’re the ones who are actually getting rich off the case. It’s the cost of being a trial lawyer. Even if you lose. If they win the case they’re set for life. The victims aren’t
Judge gets a free sky box at every NFL stadium for life 😁
He’s going to do the coin flip at the Super Bowl
I don't get it if the expert analysis wasn't credible why didn't the judge tell the jury that.
This is a reason why flags should be flown upside down
Good chance this comes back on appeal. They can have a separate trial on the question if damages (although this could take years). The NFL might end up wishing they had just eaten the $14B.
In the meantime, I will refuse to watch the Bucs and Cowboys games forced in my market, wishing I could pay $10-20 per game to watch the Falcons every Sunday.
These federal judges always overturning verdicts against large corporations when the defendants are smaller companies or individuals. The federal judges are in these corporations hip pocket.
Embarrassing how corrupt our justice system is when it comes to millionaires and billionaires
He handed out this decision right before hopping in his new Ferrari.
What did all of you expect? It would have bankrupt the NFL. That was never going to happen.
brady even told us its hard to beat 32 billionaires in court
F Sunday Ticket, free streaming with a good VPN it is
I get my games on the High Seas with 0 regret 🤔🤷♂️
$14 bil is a lot of money. Even for the NFL. Maybe the judge got paid
The judge had a 16 page explanation ready, so, he had a pre-determined judgement? Why have a jury at all if he was just going to overturn the ruling.
The fact that the judge decided to retire as well....anybody think he's got a helluva golden parachute waiting for him after he leaves the bench?
The NFL is going to fuck around and get too greedy and people will start to walk away and tune this game out. I’m already considering doing just that. And if I am there are many more who are too. I wonder what the NFL would do if their viewership dropped by 27%? Yea the NFLs greed is quite disgusting.
Yeah right. Just like when players were taking a knee during the anthem. " We're done with this league " NFL sports entertainment, we can't get enough of it 24/7/365.
This is why I've lost all hope in our "justice system". What is a jury for?
The law is the law and politics should be kept out of it. Funny how little coverage of the trial is being covered by the media that is disturbing. Thank you Mike for giving us the facts and your insight into them.
If anti-trust was proven then why can't the FTC get involved?
I will pay anything not to have to watch the LA market games every Sunday. I do. Imagine being forced to watch the chargers every Sunday.
You’re literally not being forced
A jury can never figure to the penny what the damage was in an anti-trust case. The jury has to make a determination and add any penalties. Then the plaintiff and the defendant negotiate a settlement to avoid an appeal. The judge should have let the $4.7 billion stand and then the negotiations would have found a more reasonable number.
Our judicial system is providing that we should not follow that entire branch anymore
Such a shady league we support SMH
Andddddd it has gone up to $489 and they auto charge you annually.
One uncomfortable thing I realized, we the consumers, don't care about antitrust violations or even outright monopolies, if we like the one in charge of the monopoly.
The main example is Steam, which more or less, holds a monopoly on PC gaming, but we like Steam, so we back them.
When it comes to smart phones, we pretty much have a duopoly, which is pretty much the same effect as a monopoly, with Android and Apple, but we like their products, so again, we support them too.
The NFL has a monopoly on football, seeing as no one cares about the Spring leagues, and we still watch every season.
So yea, we like monopolies, even if we'll never admit them.
nobody has a backbone in this world anymore.
Why not a mistrial? Feels like the judge already made up their mind before the jury even decided
In other words, the NFL violated the law but will pay no price. This is America where billionaires never have any accountability but the people who struggle living month to month must always pay.
Check the judges Financials
Dystopian
U know someone got paid
Keep an eye on that judges bank account.
Or his wife’s lol
Allow the witnesses to testify then vacate when jury uses that testimony... by hook or crook, big money wins again.
Honestly, the NFL should be allowed to sell their product anyway they choose. I'm a Giants fan living in Florida and rarely get to see them play. I don't like it, but it's not mine to choose how this works.
Nfl probably gave the judge a lifetime of Sunday ticket to toss it out lmao
“I want to watch the Seahawks and I live in LA….”
Well too fucking bad
Sounds like an inside job….. judge got kickbacks
Another reason our political and justice system are going to be thrown out. Just add it to the list. Down with the justice system
Mike, do the plaintiffs have some sort of reliance argument? If the judge had ruled at the beginning that their experts could not testify, then the plaintiffs could have presented their evidence in a different way. But the judge ruled up front that their expert witnesses were good to go. Can the judge pull the rug out from under the plaintiffs like that?
Justice doesn’t exist in America but this isn’t new. It never has.
The judge has a new home in the keys now…compliments of the NFL owners
I will be moving on to some other sport to watch even though I have been watching football for over 50 years. So I'm out. We'll see if the NFL eventuallly gets straightened out. Here are just a few things they will have to straighten out. 1. Officiating must be improved. At a bare minimum they need to bring back the challenge of pass interference. 2. Considering how much money is allowed to be spent on gambling now there must be audits by legit third parties of the Officials so we can be confident they are calling the games without any bias. 3. Get rid of "black outs". No blackouts for online live games.
My hours got cut slightly a few weeks back. Watching this clip gave me a clearer understanding as to why that happened.
The individual informed the National Football League (NFL) that they may resume operations in a manner consistent with previous practices, provided that the public presentation of such activities is executed with greater discretion and consideration for public perception.
When this much money is riding on a case who appointed a judge goes out the window...
I will never understand ppl in these comments who believe that corporations should be allowed to do whatever they want.