Used Imagen for a few weddings last year but after reviewing my expenses and trying to cut costs where I could, I decided to get rid of it. I felt like I was still spending so much time going back and editing anyways. However, this 2024 season has been insaaanely busy for me and I am thinking about going back and really trying to fine tune my profile though and giving it another go. Thanks for the video Luke.
Yeah totally! When you have lots of time and not many resources it makes more sense to do all the editing yourself. But when you’re really busy and have some extra crash to use, it’s a lifesaver!
I've used both imagen and aftershoot and I've always seen it as a way to do the bulk "boring" part of editing. I'm on aftershoot now and happier with my profile (and it's cheaper too). I would rather focus on the creative bit of fine tuning the colours / crops etc.
From my understanding yes it does, as you continue to edit you can update your final edits. There also is a fine tuning option where you can tell the ai model to not touch certain settings or to go up or down on certain values.
This is more of an adjacent conversation to AI editing/outsourcing Professional editing -- & perhaps a hot take of mine -- but as someone who LOVES the artistry of editing (all the OCD nuances, as you say), Im annoyed by Photogs who say "if you're taking 3-6 months to deliver a final (wedding) gallery, that's absurd! Your turnaround time needs to be in weeks" ...meanwhile, they also say they NEVER retouch/edit their own images, they outsource their editing 🙃 Well, yeah, if you're not the one doing the tedious/time consuming post processing, it's easy enough to deliver a wedding gallery in a couple of weeks. Many Photogs are SOLO-PRENEURS...& we have personal + professional lives of our own. & as you mentioned, the minute of editing = tedious & it DOES require giving your brain/eyes a rest/reset. &/or we dont want to outsource or can't afford to (yet or dont want to). It's such a shame that there's this mentality of "fast food" service in a (luxury) highly specialized field. Like you, it's the culling & initial editing that's the most sucky lol so I have been thinking about AI editing for the culling process -- but keep the final edits for me to maintain my artistry/creative control. I've seen ImagenAI around, might give it a whirl once I update my laptop early next year.
I agree! I love the satisfaction of getting a photo fully edited. And yes like I said in the video I don’t plan to ever just ship off photos that have been edited by someone else or by Ai and not doing my ocd final tweeks on them all. In fact, ai has given me more time to be ocd and spend even more time on the final round of tweeks making sure everything is perfect, so it’s an interesting option. I also like doing culling, that’s a big part of my artistry is our curation and selection of images. And I think that’s best done by a human, for us at least in the type of wedding photography we do.
Yes, still Raw, so what it does is it changes the editing parameters in your Lightroom catalog for you. So when you open up Lightroom again the photos are edited.
The problem with imagen ai or any ai editing software? You have to double check the work and correct it. So for me it's no go. Whatever the AI does I do 98% with a simple preset and then fix it while going through the images.
Thank you for the video, but this is too expensive. There are other AI apps that can edit photos much cheaper and just as well, if not better. The price for this product is a bit overrated!
It is extremely insane to me that if editing photos costs 2 thousand dollars why the hell dont photographers hire Mexican editors to edit for a fraction of that! Im a wedding photographer living in Mexico with 15 years of experience, worked in Europe and all Mexico, won several nation wide photography awards and i would even avoid going to weddings just to edit for a fraction of 2 thousand dollars because to me editing is a breeze and even therapeutic. Also due to age many photographers would prefer to sit down and edit insead of cover a wedding. I bet there are thousands of great talented photographers in Mexico or other countries where cost of living is way lower that would love to work on that. Everyone trashes AI for taking the jobs or for replacing humans but there are plenty if cases where hiring humans is way better in many aspects.
Interesting perspective! Do you think you can find people that would edit for less than 5 cents per photoin Mexico? Because I get emails all the time from editing services in India and they charge 8-10cents per image.
Edit two weddings for free with 1500 free image edits with Imagen: imagenai.com/lukewtcleland
Used Imagen for a few weddings last year but after reviewing my expenses and trying to cut costs where I could, I decided to get rid of it. I felt like I was still spending so much time going back and editing anyways. However, this 2024 season has been insaaanely busy for me and I am thinking about going back and really trying to fine tune my profile though and giving it another go. Thanks for the video Luke.
Yeah totally! When you have lots of time and not many resources it makes more sense to do all the editing yourself. But when you’re really busy and have some extra crash to use, it’s a lifesaver!
Second tip, buy a loupedeck + the og version. Makes editing so much easier
I've used both imagen and aftershoot and I've always seen it as a way to do the bulk "boring" part of editing. I'm on aftershoot now and happier with my profile (and it's cheaper too). I would rather focus on the creative bit of fine tuning the colours / crops etc.
I wonder if this program allows the photographer room for change and further improvement or growth?
From my understanding yes it does, as you continue to edit you can update your final edits. There also is a fine tuning option where you can tell the ai model to not touch certain settings or to go up or down on certain values.
Will you be creating a Imagen profile for sale?
Something I’m considering at the moment!
@@lukewtclelandPLEASE!!!🙏
@@lukewtclelandfabulous!!!
@@lukewtclelandwould love this!
I do a fair amount of shoots where the final results are required at that session. This software speeds things up immensely and takes the stress away
Oh wow yeah that would be really useful in immediate turn around.
This is more of an adjacent conversation to AI editing/outsourcing Professional editing -- & perhaps a hot take of mine -- but as someone who LOVES the artistry of editing (all the OCD nuances, as you say), Im annoyed by Photogs who say "if you're taking 3-6 months to deliver a final (wedding) gallery, that's absurd! Your turnaround time needs to be in weeks" ...meanwhile, they also say they NEVER retouch/edit their own images, they outsource their editing 🙃
Well, yeah, if you're not the one doing the tedious/time consuming post processing, it's easy enough to deliver a wedding gallery in a couple of weeks.
Many Photogs are SOLO-PRENEURS...& we have personal + professional lives of our own. & as you mentioned, the minute of editing = tedious & it DOES require giving your brain/eyes a rest/reset.
&/or we dont want to outsource or can't afford to (yet or dont want to). It's such a shame that there's this mentality of "fast food" service in a (luxury) highly specialized field.
Like you, it's the culling & initial editing that's the most sucky lol so I have been thinking about AI editing for the culling process -- but keep the final edits for me to maintain my artistry/creative control.
I've seen ImagenAI around, might give it a whirl once I update my laptop early next year.
I agree! I love the satisfaction of getting a photo fully edited. And yes like I said in the video I don’t plan to ever just ship off photos that have been edited by someone else or by Ai and not doing my ocd final tweeks on them all. In fact, ai has given me more time to be ocd and spend even more time on the final round of tweeks making sure everything is perfect, so it’s an interesting option. I also like doing culling, that’s a big part of my artistry is our curation and selection of images. And I think that’s best done by a human, for us at least in the type of wedding photography we do.
Are they still in a raw format after you download them off imagen? If not do you find you lose any quality from further editing?
Yes, still Raw, so what it does is it changes the editing parameters in your Lightroom catalog for you. So when you open up Lightroom again the photos are edited.
The problem with imagen ai or any ai editing software? You have to double check the work and correct it. So for me it's no go. Whatever the AI does I do 98% with a simple preset and then fix it while going through the images.
Totally agree
This software is sooo worth the money
It’s so great
Thank you for the video, but this is too expensive. There are other AI apps that can edit photos much cheaper and just as well, if not better. The price for this product is a bit overrated!
It is extremely insane to me that if editing photos costs 2 thousand dollars why the hell dont photographers hire Mexican editors to edit for a fraction of that! Im a wedding photographer living in Mexico with 15 years of experience, worked in Europe and all Mexico, won several nation wide photography awards and i would even avoid going to weddings just to edit for a fraction of 2 thousand dollars because to me editing is a breeze and even therapeutic. Also due to age many photographers would prefer to sit down and edit insead of cover a wedding. I bet there are thousands of great talented photographers in Mexico or other countries where cost of living is way lower that would love to work on that.
Everyone trashes AI for taking the jobs or for replacing humans but there are plenty if cases where hiring humans is way better in many aspects.
Interesting perspective! Do you think you can find people that would edit for less than 5 cents per photoin Mexico? Because I get emails all the time from editing services in India and they charge 8-10cents per image.