Fabulous design & build. Lovely how any failed cells can be easily seen by observing the fuses & then easily removed & replaced with a good one. Thank you for sharing!
I actually did one of these inspired by this video. Granted, not as clean because I have not ordered the pcbs, nor are they fused, but it's great for modularity and my favorite configuration out of any I've seen so far. I had around 54 cells that weren't being used at all. (Tested though) The video deserves millions of views in my opinion, as does your subscriber count. Great stuff.
I love this approach even though too fast for me to fully comprehend. I just wish someone would re-demonstrate it but slowly. Thanks for sharing anyway!
You were too fast for me to comprehend, especially from the soldering of the glass fuse to the end. Would it be convenient for you to address this for me in your future updates?
Dude I am confused, is this battery only 10.8 volts? how is that useful? See the min 7:13 and clarify this please. Thanks for sharing it, is a great battery indeed, and having to avoid spot welding is paramount.
Great design. Easy to make . But one question though: How much Amps current can the pcb with the fuses handle (without the copper wiring) The negative side you can design your self bij choosing the copper wire thicknes).
Just for clarity; each stack is 48 cells connected in parallel (24 on each side) or 1S48p. This would produce 4v 106Ah stack. Then they are connected in three stacks in series to produce 3S48P or 12v 106Ah; did I do the math right?
Very nice, clean and easy project. I was thinking. Would it be possible to put in every holder on both side 3spotwelded 18650's together? This way you could triple your capacity.
That's been done before, so that should work. You may want to make some supports for the batteries though. These holders use a clamping force to keep the batteries in, I'm doubtful they will stay where they are if you put more cells in each slot.
hello it would be cool if you could show the detail of the manufacture with the support of a diagram of the electronic connections, even by paying a small sum of money, I would be interested, what do you think? thank you
Hello, excellent project. I wanted to ask you if it is possible to make a 48v battery with these pcbs. It would be 14s 24p. Or do we have to develop other pcbs? You could develop these pcb for 100 batteries in parallel ?, or tell me how I should do it. From already thank you very much.
I am currently working on building my 4th 18650 diy powerwall, it will be 24v system. 7s280p... it took me a whole year of capacity testing to get to this point.
@@FBPrepping Yes. He "wastes" the PCB serving as a connector only. Puts cells into holders (if you use holders you could just wire them up). If you use a PCB you can pack the cells in a grid, 10 by 10 would give you roughly 1 kWh, that would be around 20 by 20 by 7-8 cm. You can pack them even tighter if you use honeycomb arrangement instead of grid. This design uses around 50 by 40 by 8 cm of space. Great for show, but nothing more. Edit: watch his v2. Waaaay better!
It would be good if you gave all the measurement details for your jig assembly as well as you've obviously experimented to get the build just right to fit your hands between the modules etc. Save other re-inventing the wheel and possibly making the same mistakes along the way.
After measuring the resistance of those leaf spring contacts using cell holders in any kind of large scale system is a big NOPE from me. The PCB is a good idea if someone wanted to do this on a smaller scale to understand how powerwalls work but there is far too much current flowing in a residential system to have cobalt based cells in cheap plastic holders with steel as the interconnect material
Over time the dynamics of humidity, oxidation and corrosion will affect contacts Silicon dielectric paste on all electrical contacts should be considered for longevity of electrical system.
Thanks for the video, you opened up my mind, I think it the best way of building a power Park or a power wall. I have some questions about the 18650 1 x4 cell holders, Q 1. By using the same type of 18650 cell holders can one build a battery pack or a power wall of 200p 7s? Q 2. What are the total amperage and the total voltage the 18650 1 x 4 cell holders able to handle? Thanks in advance. Best wishes to you, Regards.
The pcb he's using is for 1s48p packs, which is why he uses 3, so he can get to 12V. You may have to edit his gerber file to add more, or buy 4 for each parallel group and go for a 192p pack.
have you considered making a similar PCB but using a setup like Joan Olaria and his powerwall? something you can link together in series using the glass fuses? since I don't know how to put my ideas into a real product, maybe you can? I used your gerber files to get 5 4cell discharge boards and 5 8cell charge boards using the TP5100. since I don't have TP5100's I'll rewire it for TP4056's. thanks again for your files, i've been looking for something like this for a couple years now.
@@nedzadi As long as you make sure that the charging side of the UPS is not connected and the only connection to the pack is the to the inverter then you should be fine. Hopefully they use two sets of wires for the charging part of the PCB and the inverter but many UPS's do not and it is bundled together and on the same PCB. You could cut the traces on the PCB for the charging portion of the circuit so when the inverter is not in use that energy cannot flow from the charging circuit into the batteries BUT you have to make sure that does not effect the pass through capability of the UPS. So you really need to understand the UPS and having a schematic is the best way to make sure cutting traces is not going to ruin your entire UPS. I guess it would help to have multiple units so you could practice on one and then mess around with it. Pull the plug, plug it back in, pull the plug, plug it back in but make sure the device you have connected is something simple like a fan because you could damage a computer easily doing this if you fucked up the circuit.
Super bro.. my setup is similar to this with 18650*4 holder, 3s 100amps bms, used copper wires as fuse... Your idea regarding the PCB board was awesome. I just wanted to know if those glass fuse are good as far I tested they seems unreliable when short circuiting. Also pls get an aluminium enclosure for the battery pack. Safety is necessary while handling batteries.
@@MakerMan Dude, it is with regret, that I stand by my comment. I flicked through the post hoping to find some some inteligent comentary as I was genuinely interested.... it was you that got me to click on to it after all !! Why be so rude and inconsiderate of the audience that you are actively trying to entice on to your chanel ??? I am not pleased that I have upset you, upsetting people is NOT something that I go out of my way to do.... I hope that you can take on board these commennts in the concilliatory and informative manner in which they are meant.
@@MakerMan Thanks Dude.... I would like to watch what you have to say if you were perchance to do a re-make of it. I will give it a while so that you have chance to witness my appreciation of your reply... then I will delete my original comment if that is ok with you. Respect.
hello it would be cool if you could show the detail of the manufacture with the support of a diagram of the electronic connections, even by paying a small sum of money, I would be interested, what do you think? thank you
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Fabulous design & build. Lovely how any failed cells can be easily seen by observing the fuses & then easily removed & replaced with a good one. Thank you for sharing!
Glad you liked it.
Thanks
I actually did one of these inspired by this video. Granted, not as clean because I have not ordered the pcbs, nor are they fused, but it's great for modularity and my favorite configuration out of any I've seen so far. I had around 54 cells that weren't being used at all. (Tested though) The video deserves millions of views in my opinion, as does your subscriber count. Great stuff.
Awesome build! Can't believe no factories are making something like that at an affordable price.
Thanks, glad you like it. Stay tuned for more.
This was more than i had hoped for. Thank you so much for sharing.
Awesome build bro, those custom pcb boards fit so beautifully with the cell holders.👌🏽
Thanks buddy glad you liked it.
I love this approach even though too fast for me to fully comprehend. I just wish someone would re-demonstrate it but slowly. Thanks for sharing anyway!
Its very simple, let me know which part you didn't understand.
You were too fast for me to comprehend, especially from the soldering of the glass fuse to the end. Would it be convenient for you to address this for me in your future updates?
Ok thanks for feedback.
Basically fuse are added in the positive side which is parallel contected together.
Wow! That looks much much much much easier than the way I've been doing it. Coolest thing I've seen all week.
Thanks buddy, glad you liked it.
I didn't think off there being a pack builder website.. Thanks :)
Things have changed fast. Server rack battery kits are the go now.
Awesome upgrade from your last power wall vid!!!!
Yes :)
Love what you’ve created. Great to see another design for 18650 cell wall. Thanks for taking the time and effort to share. Great project 👏👌👍
Thanks Buddy.
Dude I am confused, is this battery only 10.8 volts? how is that useful? See the min 7:13 and clarify this please. Thanks for sharing it, is a great battery indeed, and having to avoid spot welding is paramount.
Fabulous design
Great design. Easy to make . But one question though: How much Amps current can the pcb with the fuses handle (without the copper wiring) The negative side you can design your self bij choosing the copper wire thicknes).
How can I use Pack Builder 7:10 ?
Awesome project!
Thanks buddy
i just so this now,i really liked it,i need the similar design but of 7 modules,each module containing 200 cells.
Just for clarity; each stack is 48 cells connected in parallel (24 on each side) or 1S48p. This would produce 4v 106Ah stack. Then they are connected in three stacks in series to produce 3S48P or 12v 106Ah; did I do the math right?
Very nice, clean and easy project. I was thinking. Would it be possible to put in every holder on both side 3spotwelded 18650's together? This way you could triple your capacity.
That's been done before, so that should work. You may want to make some supports for the batteries though. These holders use a clamping force to keep the batteries in, I'm doubtful they will stay where they are if you put more cells in each slot.
Nice design, please consider to use opposite terminals on each series, the cells discharge should be more equilibrate.
Hi mate love it I’m gonna build it but wat size and type of glass fuse do you use plz ty
hello it would be cool if you could show the detail of the manufacture with the support of a diagram of the electronic connections, even by paying a small sum of money, I would be interested, what do you think?
thank you
Having a difficult time trying to order 15 boards from your link. Please help.
what apps did you use for seperating batteries to get best balanced mah?
Hello, excellent project.
I wanted to ask you if it is possible to make a 48v battery with these pcbs.
It would be 14s 24p.
Or do we have to develop other pcbs?
You could develop these pcb for 100 batteries in parallel ?, or tell me how I should do it.
From already thank you very much.
Another fine project 👍
Thanks RBE
hello, I have the same type of bms but it doesn't work for me in 3 series on 100 ah
Is it a 3S
What size fuses please. I use 5 amp
Please can I get the design file, I was ask by the support to get your specified design file to make it easier for me to order same PCB. Thanks
Brilliant design, thanks!! What amp are the fuses - can you put a link?
I bet many people would love to see a design for 24V or 48V, including me :-)
but how many amp can it to support this system
... add a screen printed white stripe to the PCB beneath the fuses to better tell if any is blown ... no extra cost ...
Great idea. Thanks
How many volts does one battery pack have
You said 1200W solar system? Thats 100A at 12V you should be running something like 4AWG or larger for that kind of current....
I am currently working on building my 4th 18650 diy powerwall, it will be 24v system. 7s280p... it took me a whole year of capacity testing to get to this point.
Yes. it's a time consuming project, but rewarding.
nice music, but, if you had explained each step for beginners the video would be 10x better!!
Great idea. Out of interest, what's the copper weight on those boards?
Mình đang rất rất cần biết miếng màu đen để kết nối 2 khối cell song song với nhau tên là gì. Thấy nó tiện quá. Mong bạn trả lời
HOW CAN I GET THE INFORMATION OF THE 18650 MODULES POWER 1.V TO ORDER.
Why not use removable fuses? Easier to maintain
Wow, what an inefficient use of space for a 1kWh battery! Truly mind boggling.
Could you build one more compact yet?
@@FBPrepping Yes. He "wastes" the PCB serving as a connector only. Puts cells into holders (if you use holders you could just wire them up). If you use a PCB you can pack the cells in a grid, 10 by 10 would give you roughly 1 kWh, that would be around 20 by 20 by 7-8 cm. You can pack them even tighter if you use honeycomb arrangement instead of grid.
This design uses around 50 by 40 by 8 cm of space. Great for show, but nothing more.
Edit: watch his v2. Waaaay better!
Can i ask question based on pcb quantity 5pcs is that mean 5pcs of pair (10pcs in all)
Where did you get the fuses. Having a hard time finding them.
how we can get the Stencil for batteries please let us know as well
AliExpress
What is fuse amps
It would be good if you gave all the measurement details for your jig assembly as well as you've obviously experimented to get the build just right to fit your hands between the modules etc. Save other re-inventing the wheel and possibly making the same mistakes along the way.
After measuring the resistance of those leaf spring contacts using cell holders in any kind of large scale system is a big NOPE from me. The PCB is a good idea if someone wanted to do this on a smaller scale to understand how powerwalls work but there is far too much current flowing in a residential system to have cobalt based cells in cheap plastic holders with steel as the interconnect material
do you have the parts list for this build? What bms did you use and what is the value of the glass fuse?
how to oreder all the parts that you used and please in details thank you
Only 2 components, 4cell holder and 1amp glass fuse. U can easily find AliExpress.
Over time the dynamics of humidity, oxidation and corrosion will affect contacts Silicon dielectric paste on all electrical contacts should be considered for longevity of electrical system.
How many get kwh ?
Can we make 400 battery in sealed box?
Yes
That was a pretty cool build.. you should of narrated it a little
Thanks, narration is still something that I have to work on. I have tried few times but never uploaded.
Great job MakerMan! I am interested in your design but I would like to have a PCB for the - side as well. Can you help me with the design?
What amp are the fuses
1 amp
Amazing project, only the bms is cheap howmanny amps is it? I always use a daily bms i like them so far and not to expensive
100amp
@@MakerMan well i will never put 100 amps on that bms and the cabel it will burn out lol
Total agreed on that.
But my load is very very small, it's for my outside lights of 12v on 2amp max.
@@MakerMan fore that use its perfect 👍
Yes. Thanks buddy.
hello what is the difference with the new version?
V2 is more compact.
Thanks for the video, you opened up my mind, I think it the best way of building a power Park or a power wall. I have some questions about the 18650 1 x4 cell holders,
Q 1. By using the same type of 18650 cell holders can one build a battery pack or a power wall of 200p 7s?
Q 2. What are the total amperage and the total voltage the 18650 1 x 4 cell holders able to handle?
Thanks in advance.
Best wishes to you,
Regards.
Usually these holders are good to be drawn 1A constantly, and 2 amps max.
The pcb he's using is for 1s48p packs, which is why he uses 3, so he can get to 12V. You may have to edit his gerber file to add more, or buy 4 for each parallel group and go for a 192p pack.
have you considered making a similar PCB but using a setup like Joan Olaria and his powerwall? something you can link together in series using the glass fuses? since I don't know how to put my ideas into a real product, maybe you can? I used your gerber files to get 5 4cell discharge boards and 5 8cell charge boards using the TP5100. since I don't have TP5100's I'll rewire it for TP4056's. thanks again for your files, i've been looking for something like this for a couple years now.
Great suggestion.
what do you call the fuse you put?
Glass fuse, 1amp
Awesome build my friend what are the specs for the pcb? The link wasn't very helpful
Great design! Thank you for sharing this!
Is there a way to support your channel?
Thanks for your intention of supporting my channel and work. I do have a PayPal account at shussainu@gmail.com
Thanks for your support.
Isnt this a total fire hazard? Can't see this as something usable in Germany.
hello
do you are the plan ?
Yes
I would like to see a 48v
Sure in the near future. :)
can we use this battery pack for UPS?
Yes, It can be used.
Do we need to add bms or just connect with ups?
NO 3.7V CELLS DO NOT WORK WELL WITH LEAD ACID UPS'S
The charging will be all fucked up
@@ericklein5097 What if the charging will be done through solar changer directly to 18650 and discharging through UPS? Would that work?
@@nedzadi As long as you make sure that the charging side of the UPS is not connected and the only connection to the pack is the to the inverter then you should be fine. Hopefully they use two sets of wires for the charging part of the PCB and the inverter but many UPS's do not and it is bundled together and on the same PCB. You could cut the traces on the PCB for the charging portion of the circuit so when the inverter is not in use that energy cannot flow from the charging circuit into the batteries BUT you have to make sure that does not effect the pass through capability of the UPS.
So you really need to understand the UPS and having a schematic is the best way to make sure cutting traces is not going to ruin your entire UPS. I guess it would help to have multiple units so you could practice on one and then mess around with it. Pull the plug, plug it back in, pull the plug, plug it back in but make sure the device you have connected is something simple like a fan because you could damage a computer easily doing this if you fucked up the circuit.
I give you a like for the idea... but your system can't handle large currents,for charging or use, is more for long term powering
Yes👍🔋 ⚡💡
I am wondering if you could build me 8 packs then I buy from you...
3s...?? For a powerwall.. makes no sense.. ?? What's the reason..?? Am I missing something..??
Connected to solar system for my home outdoor lighting.
The light require a 12volt setup
Hello. Please thank the inverter data and the purchase link
It's a mppt. Make sky-blue
Amazing
Thanks
👍🤗 Super 🤗👍
Thanks
wa gawn general
Thanks
If u can help me get this pcbs I will be glad, but I need 7 modules with 200 cells per module...
You can use my Gerber pcb file and order from jlcpcb.com. once received you can just configure it to your needs.
@@MakerMan thanks mate, I subbed to your channel already, you inspired me
Thanks buddy, i will be making new 18650 battery related videos soon.
Please do 48v power wall
In my bucket list
👍👍
Copper wire size tell me bro...
2.5 mm
@@MakerMan you have purchase link Amazon
No sorry buddy
@@MakerMan 2.5 or 2.50 which one
2.5mm
great idea!!! love it ;)
It's real great job, but cells will get disbalance soon and become a big problem.
Очень сильно!
Super bro.. my setup is similar to this with 18650*4 holder, 3s 100amps bms, used copper wires as fuse... Your idea regarding the PCB board was awesome. I just wanted to know if those glass fuse are good as far I tested they seems unreliable when short circuiting. Also pls get an aluminium enclosure for the battery pack. Safety is necessary while handling batteries.
Exactly, how did you TEST the fuses ?
awaiting for your reply
Pa link po sa fuse🙏🙏🙏🙏
Super bro but too fast
Thanks and sorry the video to be fast.
Then watch at a SLOWER SPEED setting ...
todo bien asta que puso un bms basura
Stinking music... See ya!
Ok bye
What an awful over loud disgusting background din: UNWATCHABLE.
Why be so rude.
Mute button is just a click away.
Have a great day.
@@MakerMan Dude, it is with regret, that I stand by my comment. I flicked through the post hoping to find some some inteligent comentary as I was genuinely interested.... it was you that got me to click on to it after all !! Why be so rude and inconsiderate of the audience that you are actively trying to entice on to your chanel ??? I am not pleased that I have upset you, upsetting people is NOT something that I go out of my way to do.... I hope that you can take on board these commennts in the concilliatory and informative manner in which they are meant.
No worries buddy, your opinion and feedback will be taken into consideration to improve my future videos.
👍
@@MakerMan Thanks Dude.... I would like to watch what you have to say if you were perchance to do a re-make of it. I will give it a while so that you have chance to witness my appreciation of your reply... then I will delete my original comment if that is ok with you. Respect.
how to order po ng mga ginamit nyo please,paki msge me in details salamat
hello it would be cool if you could show the detail of the manufacture with the support of a diagram of the electronic connections, even by paying a small sum of money, I would be interested, what do you think?
thank you
Amazing